WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 5/4: Pick-by-Pick Analysis of Patriots Draft Class, NFL Draft Final Thoughts, Mike Vrabel to Pats HOF 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.320 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.120 Lazar and Alex bar Lazarre. 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.360 Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.479 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. Delay the hurt, 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:23.760 delay the hurt. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.360 But you can delay the hurt, delay the hurt, delay 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:31.400 the hurt. We did delay the hurt last week. That 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.559 was Alex. That was probably the happiest that I've been 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.200 after a Patriots draft in a long time. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:37.560 Same. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.880 Obviously, I really liked the twenty one draft too, because 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.240 you get the new quarterback. We all, I think, really 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.640 liked Christian Barmore in that pick. But in terms of 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.080 just I don't even know if it was happiness. It 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:55.040 was more, honestly, of quite frankly, relief that they got 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.920 a player in the first round that we all could 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.120 get behind. Right, it was a consent player as a 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.440 player we had talked about at nauseum in the in 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.119 the pre draft process. And I sent you that thing 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:11.759 from Holmes the Lions GM, Brad Holmes, right, Brian Holmes, 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:18.200 Brad Holmes, and he mentioned just the the whole mock 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:24.080 draft culture, right, and how we are pre determined to 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.600 have an opinion on these picks where when the organization 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.720 doesn't make the pick that we predicted or expected them 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.560 to make, we are already going to be negative about it. Right, 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.600 Our brain just automatically switches on to negativity because that 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.880 wasn't we didn't have him in a mock draft. We 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.400 didn't have him on our big board, you know what 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:42.720 I mean? 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:43.280 Right? 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.520 And I think there's totally something to that, one hundred percent. 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.280 And I think I find myself doing that on draft 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.640 weekend too, And that's why I like doing the show. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.280 A couple of days afterwards here on a Thursday, a 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.520 couple of weeks later, it's Evan Lazar Alex Barth twenty two. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.200 I always do that. I always just go like right 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.680 into it. And at this point, and don't you know, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.520 tell people who we are, what the show's called, and 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.320 we're gonna be with you here for the next hour 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.440 and fifteen hour and thirty. We're gonna try to be efficient. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.920 After I go on this rant right here at the top, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:15.880 We're gonna try to be efficient and go pick by 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.600 pick here in a little bit. But the main thing 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:23.280 is is that I always get to a point and 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.080 maybe it's cope babe, it's me talking myself into into 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.080 the draft, to my my Homer inside me on the 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.240 Patriots side of things. But I always get to the 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.560 point where, whether or not I love every pick, I'm like, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.200 okay with the draft, right, I'm okay with it. Last 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.960 year took a little bit longer than than most years, 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.120 but you know, this year, I feel like I'm at 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:48.760 that point where let's turn the page. Let's get these 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.400 guys out into OTAs in mini camp and then training 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.040 camp in July, and let's see what they're all made of. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.720 I don't think that any of it I can be 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.440 totally up in arms about. I think there's some nitpicks 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.839 across the board, more about what they didn't do, I think, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.600 than what they did do. You know, positions they didn't 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:10.520 address and things like that. But overall, I feel like 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.200 they at least I'm at least gonna give them, Like 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.320 I don't really love grades, but like a B minus 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.360 or a B right. They passed, they passed the test. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.720 Did they hit it out of the park outside of 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.840 the first round. I don't think so, but they at 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.760 least did enough where I can now get to the 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.680 point where, Okay, let's see, I'm not the biggest fan 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.640 of Keon White, but like, let's see what he looks 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.880 like in pads and let's see what it comes out to. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.160 I've sold myself completely on Marty map who I now 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.240 have him as the next Fred Warner, Like you know that, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.240 that pick I'm on board with. And then the interior 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.400 guys or maybe not, which we'll get to in a second. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.200 Those guys, I think I'm on board with the fact 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.960 that they're gonna be reliable depth and maybe even some 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.520 of those guys could be starters in certain spots down 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.560 the line, and that there's something to be said for 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.200 that on the offensive line. I think we're all going 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.320 to look back on this draft though, and then you 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.080 can give your your taking them. We'll get into the 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.440 efficient part of the show. I think we're all on 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.640 board with the fact that it's more about what they 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.120 didn't do in this draft and what they did do. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:17.640 And in particular, I understand everybody, myself included, as enamored 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.240 with pass catchers, and we all want that number one guy. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.360 We all want that Stefan Diggs, Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.720 we all want that player for the Patriots. But I 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.360 did kind of get to the point with this draft, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.919 and I know you were already there that maybe that 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.960 guy wasn't in this draft, especially where they could address 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.839 it unless they were gonna pick, say, Flowers in the 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.200 first round. It just didn't seem like that guy existed 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.359 in this draft, to tell all of you the first round. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.760 So that those are the things you have to weigh. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.320 Do you want Christian Gonzales on the team or do 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.599 you want Jackson Smith and Jigba. If you say Jackson 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.720 Smith and Jigba, there's certainly an argument for that, but 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.480 it's it's that kind of debate because you couldn't get 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.919 both in this draft. And that's why I think they 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.920 waited till the sixth round on receivers is because they 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.599 truly felt like Josh Downs and to Mario Douglas kind 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.760 of the same guy, right, kind of the same thing. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.479 So why are we drafting Josh Downs in the third 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.640 round when we can get to Mario Douglas in the 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.480 sixth I don't always subscribe to that theory. I think 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.320 there is a difference at the end of the day. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:26.560 But athletically, from a size, speed, skill standpoint. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.040 Douglas might be better athletically, even. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.480 It's not that different. So that's where I'm out with 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.560 the draft. I'm willing to let by guns be bygones 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.680 on a lot of things. The one thing I can't 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.160 let go. Yeah, the one thing is tackle. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.400 I just I did take a tackle. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:42.920 Stop it. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:43.360 They did. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.360 They did not take a tackle. They did not let 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.080 me finish my thought. They did not take a tackle. 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.600 That is a day one starter at tackle. That is true, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.600 and that tells me, and I said this on PU 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.520 that they clearly like the tackles better than we do. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.000 They do well. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.600 Matt grow told us that two three weeks and we. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.920 Believed him because it was it seems sincere at the time, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.480 and he backed it up with the way that they 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.440 ran the draft. They like Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.120 and Trent Brown and Connor McDermott and Yanni could just 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.840 better than the people on the outside of the building. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.400 And Okay, I'll let them have this one. Let's see 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.000 what let's see what it looks like. But I am 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.640 very concerned about tackle because I think they have enough 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.440 pass catchers. I think Bill O'Brien's gonna do his thing. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.760 I think that's going to allow Mac Jones to do 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.799 his thing closer to his rookie season, if not better. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.359 But can they protect? Can they hold up in pass protection? 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.000 And they're gonna face some really good edge rushers on 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.120 their schedule, So are they gonna be able to hold 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.880 up in pass protection? I think is going to be 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.480 the make or break for this offense. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.040 Well, let me ask you this. You just said that 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.320 whole thing about receiver and like they waited because they 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.400 couldn't get the guy outside of Yes, they did actively 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.280 pass on Proderick Jones, and I'd say the same thing 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.240 to you. Who would you rather have Proderc Jones or 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:58.960 Christigan Salaz? 0:06:59.120 --> 0:06:59.240 Right? 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.520 Was there really really a Day one starter at tackle 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.640 on the board after that? I know there's guys who 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.080 liked Yeah, Blake Freelan, Jannia Morris, guy, Yeah, But were 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.800 those guys truly day one starters? The one guy maybe 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.440 is Dewan Jones. But for him to fall as much 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.440 as he did tells me there was something in his interviews. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:19.920 I know there's a report out there now that he's 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.680 telling teams he wanted to play in the NBA. I 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.720 don't know, but yeah, the league clearly didn't view him 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:25.440 as a Day one starter. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.840 He debunked that on Twitter. He was like, I don't 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:28.800 know where that came from. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.720 It seemed weird. It seemed very weird. He did get 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.800 D one basketball offers, but she had. 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.840 To see the highlights that they showed on ESPN during 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.880 the draft of him dunking on people at six age. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.480 That was the whole thing. Always too big, he can't 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.320 move the footwork. I try to tell people, but was 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.320 there a tackle that kind of fits the description of 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.400 the guy you're looking for after the first round? I 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.960 don't think there was. Yeah, I think now, look, I 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.800 think you could say so they were going to have 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.640 to develop, but a draft of developmental tackle and where 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.160 the other you can say, well, if you're going to 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.480 draft a developmental tackle, draft a guy who play tackle, 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.120 that's a fair argument. But right after they passed on 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.560 Proderc Jones, they were going to end up with the 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.480 developmental tackle one way or the other, and that's what 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:07.880 they did. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.320 Yeah, so there's two guys that I think that you 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.080 can because I think once you get into the third 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.880 round of this tackle class, just looking at something, you know, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.800 looking at the way that things came off the board 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.400 probably not gonna gonna talk about a tackle at seventy six, right, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.840 I just I don't really see it. I think the 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.200 one guy was Nick Saldeveri, who went with the very 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.640 first pick of the fourth round that maybe had some 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.439 third round potential, But I can understand why where their 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.160 thought process was not going in that direction. I suppose 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.640 I think the one the second guess is probably why 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.840 didn't that trade up in the second round materialize? Because 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:50.000 they've made that trade up several times five years, five 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.000 years in a row. They had the capital and the 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:53.439 one guy. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.040 As a buyer's market, it was a beneficial market for 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.880 teams looking to move up rather than ye down. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.360 So the one guy that you look at and that 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:05.079 situation is obviously Matthew Bergeron from Syracuse, who went thirty eighth, 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.160 so exactly where the bar More trade literally exactly. So 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:15.000 maybe you know who was it an Atlanta really loved 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.120 Matthew Bergeron and you would have to jump Atlanta. Right, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.319 So now you're talking about giving up even more capital, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.000 maybe even the third seventy six to move higher than Atlanta. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.360 But that was the one I guess. Anton Harrison went 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.199 twenty seventh to the Jaguars at the end of the 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.600 first round. I think that's a little bit too high. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.560 I think you're giving up a lot to get up 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.839 to twenty seven from forty six. Yep. So that that's 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.400 an interesting conversation. I think why didn't a trade up 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.760 in the second round materialize? 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.960 Did they think Bergeron was worth it? A lot of 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.800 teams viewed Bergeron coming in as a guard, right, and 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.520 what you want the moving up for a guard, Like, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.520 maybe they didn't think he was a tackle, but. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.520 They think cities, how is a tackle? I'm just playing? Well, no, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:57.920 the size of this that's all. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.839 Well, maybe they're more comfortable. So if they're if it's 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.560 a comparable thing, right, this guy's probably a guard, but 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.959 we're gonna try and to tackle. Wouldn't you rather draft 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.400 that player with your third pick in the fourth round 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.200 than moving up in the second round? 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:11.400 It's fair, right, yep. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.560 So maybe they saw Bergeron as a guard and said, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:15.920 you know what, if we're gonna have to draft a 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:17.959 guy that we're gonna have to play there out of 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.800 position anyway, we're gonna do it later in the draft. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.920 And we also know how much they liked Keon White. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.880 Yeah, so that's a good a good tia to Keon White. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.600 And I think the other second guess that a lot 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.720 of people have is obviously missing out on this tight 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.480 end class. And based off of mac Roe's comments, it 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.120 seems like their tight end board might have been really small, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.800 like a lot smaller than maybe we thought about this class. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.400 I think, really small and maybe a little more the 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.360 way he said guy, he says them like guys were 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.480 going faster and faster off the board. I wonder if 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.040 they I think they had guys graded differently than most 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:52.560 of the league. I think the league had a lot 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.240 of these guys great at higher than they did. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.760 Yeah, So that one definitely had a little bit of 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.000 of interesting twists. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:00.480 You know. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.679 Tucker Craft I think went two picks after seventy six. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.400 I think he was seventy eight or seventy nine. Josh 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.880 Downs and Tucker Craft went within like three picks of 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.800 their pick at seventy six, and then obviously Darnell Washington, Yeah, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.720 at the end of the third round. So my guess 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:19.320 is that Darnell Washington was probably either off their board 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.920 or maybe more like Kishan Boodi territory due to injury 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.480 that they would have taken him on day three just 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.640 for the upside, but probably not in a top one 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.679 hundred pick situation. And then you look at the players 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.280 that went off the board in the second round, unless 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.720 that materialized that second round trade up to get a 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.880 guy like a Musgrave or a Laporta or a Meyer 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.000 that went in the thirties, I'm not taking schoon Maker 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.800 at forty six, like, I think that was a reach 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:51.560 by Dallas, And I don't really Breton's strange that early 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.160 also was strange right like that that was just a 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.440 little bit of a surprise too. So I don't know. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.400 I guess what I'm coming at with with tight end 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.719 and with the tackle and receiver is once they took 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:10.880 Christian Gonzales in the first round, the board really didn't 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.080 I don't think fall completely. Now. The one second guest 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.920 that I would I would say, like I just said 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.440 with tight end is Tucker Craft. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:18.680 Tucker Craft over. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.920 Yeah, Like what was up with that? Because we had 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:22.559 heard about the. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.520 And that's Josh Downs too, by the way, when yeah, 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:25.520 kick after we had. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.840 Heard about the connection with Bill O'Brien and that Alabama 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.320 tried to get Tucker Craft from South Dakota State. We 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.160 had heard that they had him in for a top 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.320 thirty visit. We had heard a lot of things connecting 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.720 Tucker Craft to the Patriots, So I would love to know. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.079 Obviously they I don't think they're gonna tell us right 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.120 anytime seeing why they didn't pick Tucker Craft, but that 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.079 that's the one that I think you can you can 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.720 hang around Dewan Jones. I know I've gotten a lot 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.560 of people asking about Dwan Jones. I'm sure you have. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:54.680 To Darnad Washington. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.880 No, I just moving back to tackles. Yeah, because that 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.080 Darnald Washington, we know how to knee issue that came 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:07.480 out during the draft, Dwan Jones's situation. Honestly, I think 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.720 you know, Trent Brown went really late in his draft, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.800 and I wasn't. We didn't cover the draft back then, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.120 so I don't know what the whole story was with that. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.679 Sometimes when people are that big, it scares teams off. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.960 The weight scares teams off. To be three hundred and 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.920 eighty pounds, it's a little bit scary. Is he gonna 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.679 have the motor, Is he gonna have the the focus, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.480 Does he have the diet right, does he have the discipline? 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.800 For the NFL, because if he's gonna play at three eighty, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.760 we know with Trent the Patriots have weight clauses in 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.040 his contract to keep him closer to I think to 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.520 probably three sixty, maybe even three forty three forty five 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.840 if they can get him there. So I think with 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:51.120 a guy like Darnell Dewan Jones, excuse me, that weight 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:56.240 becomes a flag for teams to be that size. You 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.560 get concerned, can this guy? Can he play sixty five snaps? 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.600 And if he plays sixty five snaps in the NFL 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.000 in a game, how good is he for all sixty? 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:06.440 Right? 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.200 You know? Is he playing fifteen at full tilt? And 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:11.880 the rest of them? He doesn't have the motor, he 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.559 doesn't have the endurance to play hard or all those 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.760 types of things I think are what teams have conversations about. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.520 Except look, he did it at Ohio State. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.920 I'm not saying I agree with it, so I can 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.120 hear that here's. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.360 What I think it is. And it's kind of to 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.880 your point. And remember when I first brought Dwan Jones 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.440 up on this show. My compo was for him, wasn't 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:31.800 you remember? 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:32.600 Was it trend Brown? 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.440 No, it was Tarik Wollan because I think there's an 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.880 element of it's kind of what you just said. When 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.000 a guy is and it's a little different size wise 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.320 in terms of positions, but when a guy is that 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.360 big and that athletically gifted, I think teams look at 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.400 it and say what's the catch, and I think they 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.360 overthink it. Yeah, Tarik Wolan went in the fifth round 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.600 last year. He's the twenty first corner on the board 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.360 and short of you know, a historic rookie season from Sauce, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.320 Gardner would have been defensive Rookie of the year. But he 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.400 went in the fifth round. There was no reason for 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.400 him to go in the fifth other than we've got 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.600 to be missing something. Everything else in the makeup checked out. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:12.800 It was an overthing. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.080 To be fair, he was. He was a little bit 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.960 raw in common. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:18.760 I mean, I'm not saying he should have gone in 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:19.560 the first round. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.400 Right, but he went to a great situation. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.800 He was a top one hundred pick. He was you 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.160 look at him, he was a top one hundred pick 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.400 and he went like he went in the fifth round. Now, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.200 he didn't fall as far or he fell further than 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.080 Dewan Jones did. But I think some of it with 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.800 Dewan Jones was team's looking at it and saying, he's 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.600 guy six eight, three seventy he's got basketball footwork. There's 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.600 got to be something wrong with him. There's got it 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.800 like you look like comprehension. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.520 Trent Brown just because he's irrelevant for the Patriots. But 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.720 Orlando Brown's another guy that fell because of his size. Right, 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.080 you know, the teams just they don't like it. They 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.359 for whatever reason. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.560 They because I think they overthink it. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.040 Yeah, I think that they worry about the motor. They 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:03.080 worry about can this guy true play sixty five seventy 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.760 five snaps in an NFL game at a tempo that 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.000 teams with these modern offenses like to play at at 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.680 a tempo where he's moving, he's past blocking on an 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.040 island like the playing NFL football. Well, you know it's 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.600 a lot. All right, let's take some of these calls 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.120 and then we'll get into the pick by pick. Uh, Patty, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.040 is this a Star Wars call or is it a 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.040 football call? Patty? 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:27.960 Oh, it's definitely a football call. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:29.600 What's up? 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:31.680 So? 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.080 I just wanted to get both of your guys opinions 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.840 on what do you think the realistic camps that to 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:42.640 Mario Douglas makes the fifty three man roster. I honestly 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.280 don't like I'm intrigued by Boute, but I don't think 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.880 he's probably gonna make the roster, you know, barring them 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.640 trading away one of their receivers from last year that's 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.040 still on the roster. But to me, Douglas, the way 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.000 the way you guys talked him up during the Shrine 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.080 Bowl week, like, to me, he's he intrigued me a 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:01.920 little bit more than. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.520 Does Yeah, Patty, thanks for the call. As always, I 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.359 think that that's really fair to look at where de 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.959 Mario Douglas is right this second, compared to Kishan Bute 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:17.480 is more intriguing. He's healthier, he's been better more recently 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.800 than Booty. Is it Booty or b I want to 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.840 say Bote. I don't want to call the guy booty. Uh, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.040 he's been better recently last year literally last year, right right. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.440 Butte is a complete project projection that he's going to 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.200 get back to the way he was in his first 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.320 sixteen games at LSU before the injury. Douglas doesn't have 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.520 that kind of concern. He's just coming from liberty and 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:41.800 he's smaller. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.199 And he only has one year of college production. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.280 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.040 So I'm I'm oh, yeah, well one year of like 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.800 major major. He was really good with Malik Willis also, Yeah, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.680 but he wasn't he forget he missed games or something like. No, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.200 he just he was coming on right, right, he didn't 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.600 play as he was ran. That's what I'm saying. He's 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.560 one year of like being a starting receiver. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.520 Right, but the tape that put him on the map 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.439 for NFL teams including the Patriots year. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.840 Oh yes. So what I would say though, and actually, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.880 of both of them on my initial roster projection, I 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:20.879 think what will help Douglas more than Bote is Ba's 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.560 role as a starting wide receiver, and he's kind of 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.480 blocked right, Like Patty said, unless they move somebody, you're 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.240 gonna have DeVante Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster, and then either 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:35.040 Taekwon or Kendrick Bourne. That's your eleven, right. I don't think, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.480 at least not initially, I don't think to Mario Douglas's 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.679 role is to like be in the receiver rotation. To me, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.480 he's about They had this really dynamic package last year 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.159 with Marcus Jones that worked super well, but they couldn't 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.960 run at a ton because Marcus Jones, like he only 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.320 had so many hours in the day, and they made 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.359 them focusing on defense and things like that. And he's 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.919 made it clear and the teams kind of suggested that 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.520 he's a defensive player. He might play on offense here 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.560 and there, but he is a defensive player. He's not 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.760 making the shift to offense full time. But you'd still 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.840 like to have that package available to you whenever you 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.120 want it because it's a good package. To Mario Douglas 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.320 as a ball carrier is comparable to Marcus Jones, and 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.040 he even said he's watched Marcus Jones. So that to 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.080 me is how he gets on the roster. It's an 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.960 opportunity to run the Marcus Jones package. Without Marcus Jones 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.920 on the field, there's a very clear role for him 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.119 on the team. So I actually think he has a 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.359 good chance at making it. We go back to when 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.480 we talk about leading him the draft, right, I always say, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.639 even if it's not the player I want them to draft, 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.439 if there's a path to playing time, if there's a 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.119 clear role, I will never straight up hate the pick 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.119 because if you tell me you have a plan for 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.119 this guy. Fine, I'll buy in. Let's see what the 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.840 plan is there is I think there can be, and 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.040 who knows what it actually is, but I think there 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.639 can be a very clear plan for Damario Douglas to 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.159 contribute in New England as a rookie. Although Kashan Butez 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.000 certainly is a higher ceiling, I actually think the plan 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.840 for him in year one is much murky than it 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:01.920 is for tomorrow Douglas. 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.600 I couldn't agree more. Because they have four receivers, there's 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.480 gonna be a spot for a fifth guy, and I've 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.720 seen some Matthew Slater doesn't count, right, So there's gonna 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.320 be a spot for a fifth guy. And if you're 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.840 looking for a guy that adds a different dimension and 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.840 adds something else to that room that isn't repetitive to 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.399 the guys that are gonna be the ones that are 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.560 gonna be playing the most, it's Douglas. 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:24.760 You know. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:30.560 Bute's role is very very similar to Juju. It's very 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.879 very similar to Kendrick Bourne. There. 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.760 He's kind of like somewhere right in between the tools, right. 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.360 And so, yes, there is a world and I think 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.919 this is maybe the argument for Bote. There is a 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.399 world that we get out to trading camp in July 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.119 and Kaishon Bute looks like freshman year Kaishan Butte, and 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.120 he's just a star right there. There's certainly a world 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.679 where that could happen. Maybe not a realistic one, but 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.400 because we care to dream on this program, it could 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.920 possibly happen. But the guy that has the most realistic 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.480 and easiest path to the roster is to Mario Douglas. 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:05.959 And I was talking to Eric Galaco from the Shrine 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.679 Bowl for a profile on Douglas and that that is 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.080 exactly the comp that he made. He said, he's basically 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:17.000 Marcus Jones if Marcus Jones was a full time offensive player, right, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.119 and and that's exactly what the Patriots could do to 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.480 with him. So as much as I would love to 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.359 use my comp of Marcus Jones, but if he was 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.800 on offense, like Galco just brought up, I also think 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.600 of guys like maybe like a Nicole Hardman Rights as 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.520 a decent comp for him as well. I think Harbin's 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.399 more a faster guy in a straight line, right, like 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.600 Carbon's like a four to two guy, like he's he's 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.400 faster than Tomorrio Douglas. But I think Tomorrio Douglas might 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.080 actually be a little bit more of a polished route runner, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:45.720 you know. I think one of the things that stood 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.480 out to me is the most about Douglas's film was 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.880 the double moves, the vertical double moves that he runs, 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.639 the post corners, the out and ups like things. It 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.240 looks like Zay Flowers like. It's really very very similar. 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.320 Obviously not a game, it's the same level of competition. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.199 But that's another thing that Galco said about Douglas was 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.320 that Zay even recognized that Douglas was similar to him. 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.520 He said he that Zay was coming up to him 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.520 and being like, who's this kid from Liberty? Looks like 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.840 me out there right right, And so that element of it, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.160 I think it definitely all the reasons why we wanted 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.080 or I wanted I don't want to put you in 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.440 this corner, all the reasons that I wanted Zay Flowers 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.840 on this football team. Tomrio Douglas does a lot of 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.479 the same things. Yeah, he's just not as complete of 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:32.960 a player. 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:34.240 It's just not his experience, right. 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.639 Zay Flowers can play inside, he can play outside. He 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.360 has a full route tree. Tomorrio Douglas is a lot 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.320 more Mkole Harmon. He's a lot more gadget and vertical, 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:43.880 Like those are the two things that you're gonna get. 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.760 So two more things on Tomorow Douglas. One another reason 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.200 I think is a chance to make the team. So 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.040 Marcus Jones obviously returns both kicks and punts, but he's 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.000 more comfortable as a punt returner, Like that's kind of 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.399 his game. Yeah, Tomrio Douglas is actually more of a 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.440 kick returner than a punt returner. So it takes one 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.120 more thing off Marcus Jones' plate without maybe a step back, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.919 where Marcus Jones is your punt returner to Mario Douglas 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.359 is your kick returner. One other really interesting comp I 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.200 heard for to Mario Douglas, and it's an imperfect comparison, 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.400 but because this guy was probably ahead of his time, 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:17.960 Yeah was Percy Harvin. 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.560 Yeah, I always get worried about comparing people to Percy 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:27.520 Harvin just because the mythical nature of Percy. Everybody remembers 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.439 Percy Harvin and thinks of this guy that was like 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:33.720 this generational Hall of Fame athlete, which I think he was. 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.560 But yeah, yeah, no, But but isn't that kind of 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.919 the point. NFL teams didn't know how to use Percy 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:40.640 Harvin when he was in the league. They kept trying 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.840 to turn him into like a traditional receiver, and they 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:44.280 were sending him over the middle and you just got 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.520 the crapp eat out of him. Yeah, because he wasn't 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.520 big enough. He wasn't big enough for me. And this 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.840 is when there were still everybody had two hundred and 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.480 fifty pounds linebackers that were, you know, playing zone in 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.560 the middle of the field in head hunting, not head hunting, 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.040 but you know what I mean, yep. And now that 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.400 these linebackers have got much smaller, it opens the door 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.600 for these hundred and eighty pound burner receivers to just 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.680 go out there and put guys in a blunder people. 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:10.480 And it's an interesting comparison because that's probably who Percy 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.720 Harvin should have been. Line him up in the backfield, 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:14.639 line him up in the slot, put him in motion, 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.040 have him returned kicks, just find ways to get the 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:21.080 ball in his hands in space. I've always an interesting comparison. 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.080 Yeah, that's a good one. I think the biggest thing, 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.000 and then we can move on from Douglas. The biggest 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.480 thing with Douglas to me is that I did not 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:33.760 see him necessarily being that Julian Edelman wes Welker chain 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.760 moving jitterbug underneath right. He ran some hitches, he ran 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:44.120 some slants at Liberty, but this is a horizontal field stretcher, 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.560 as like sort of a gadget player right behind the 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.159 line of scrimmage or a vertical die like. Those are 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.640 the two things that he did the most at Liberty, 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.280 So I wouldn't necessarily look at him as like a 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.920 high volume He's gonna catch eighty passes in the slot. 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.879 I don't think that that's necessarily the projection, but certainly 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.880 the quickness, the separation ability, and then obviously the game 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.000 breaking ability with the football in his hands. If all 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:11.000 those things translate from Liberty to the pros, and I 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.200 don't really see any reason why they shouldn't just give 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.359 him based off his combine. He tested, and he ran well, 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.280 and he jumped out jumped almost at a forty inch vertical, 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.399 which tells you how explosive he is in the lower half. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.439 He should be able to translate. So really exciting player. 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.520 Definitely one of those guys, Alex that a couple of 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.520 weeks when we get to go out to OTAs, I 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:35.640 think tomorrow Douglas might be the star of OTAs because 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.720 when you can't when you're not in pads and you 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.320 can't hit him and you can't contact him really and 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.199 he's just running around out there, he's going to make 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.480 some plays. All right, Sean and Vancouver, what's up, Sean? 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:52.800 Hey, everybody's going, Yeah, happy Star Wars Day. But I'm 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.160 not going to talk about that. I want to talk 0:25:55.200 --> 0:26:00.440 about the draft, and yeah, I love Gonzales and when 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.560 that pick was coming down, I was still surprised that 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.919 he was there and JSDN and I would have been 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.680 happy with Broderick Jones, but obviously you have to pick, 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:13.160 and we got the best of just about anyone who 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.280 could have possibly been available. So that's great. The only 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:20.600 thing that I'm kind of irked about is two of 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.000 my draft crushes that were projected to go in the 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.640 late first, early second were there to be taken, and 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:33.240 for some reason injuries and other concerns, maybe laziness, they 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.720 just kept falling in the Patriots past. And so I'm 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.720 just hoping now that whoever plays right tackle for the 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:43.160 Patriots will have a better season than Dewan Jones. And 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.080 somehow Darnell Washington doesn't stay on the field, And that's 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.159 weird to try and root against guys that you liked 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.919 that but that's thing. Going to be really mad that 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.760 that happened, because you know, Evan, I know that Paul 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.200 bugged you about saying you know more than Bill Belichick, 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.400 but you know, Bill Belichick isn't always right. He made 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.600 terrible decisions last year that put us in bad spots. 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.920 So that's even though he's the greatest coach of all time, 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.080 he doesn't mean that he's going to get everything right. 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:16.880 And we've seen that a lot, but that happens. Now. 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.360 I'm one of the players that I'm really rooting for 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.200 is Cities out because I grew up in Montreal and 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.360 I've been to Beaumont, so nice to have someone from 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.040 that area on the team. And I'm kind of hoping 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.520 that it's kind of a pie in the sky thing, 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.480 but I'm kind of hoping that he plays right tackle 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:37.000 the same way that when you did in twenty twenty 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:40.840 one and does well and that settles that spot and 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.119 we're okay on the line. And then the question I 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.200 have for you is do you think Jack Jones will 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.560 start on the as a permitter corner? Do you think 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.119 they'll be an outside corner for the Patriots in twenty 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:55.640 twenty three? 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.080 Awesome? Yeah, thanks for the call, Sean. I think a 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.440 lot of good points there. Look, were all going to 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:04.800 look back on Dowan Jones and Darnell Washington's careers, and 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.840 if they end up having great careers, then we're going 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.440 to look back on that as what if. 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:08.960 Right you don't have. 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.639 Yeah, I personally I like rooting for them because it 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.520 makes me look right hyped. 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.119 So I am couldn't inflicted on Zach Kunz. 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.440 But that's the start, you know, like, if if Zay 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.639 Flowers ends up having a great career in Baltimore, then 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.280 I'm gonna be okay with it, honestly. 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.760 Well, I mean, look, Justin Jefferson is your favorite player 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:28.200 in the league? 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:29.080 Yes, for a reason. 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:29.400 Yeah. 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.800 Anyways, the question that he had or the point that 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.560 about City sat in the line, and I guess can 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.440 tee us up for the discussion on those guys. I 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.760 think the biggest thing was City sal and I would 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:44.280 put Tony O Maffi in this category two. Uh, they clearly. 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.960 I think that both of those guys resemble mike on 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.400 Wenu for different reasons, if that If that makes sense, 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.240 and I think that both those guys the idea behind 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:58.440 those picks are similar to well, look at how well 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.360 mike on Wenu worked out our system and how that 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.640 situation worked out so well. With Sau, I think that 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.960 he's a little bit similar to mike on Winnu if 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.480 Michael Win who stuck a tackle right or maybe even 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.320 I guess what Michael when who is He's also got 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.520 a little bit of Marcus Cannon in him, I would 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.440 say as well, just in terms of a guy that's 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.480 a little bit taller, a little bit longer than a 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.239 mike on win who uh Tonio Maffi from UCLA is 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.400 mike on win who just carbon copy essentially. I think 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.440 he's maybe a little bit smaller, like ten pounds smaller, 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:33.800 but he once was heavier. They he's lost a lot 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:37.880 of weight and he he plays and looks this wide 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:43.000 bodied interior lineman for sure, heavy heavy handed. You know, 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.360 there's a couple of plays against USC that I that 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.680 I saw that as soon as he gets his hands 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.920 on people, it's the rep is over right. He's got 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.320 these heavy mits, great latch strength, great upper body towards, 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.600 so he can just throw guys to the ground at 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.360 that point. Once he's got you, there's gonna be the 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.040 same questions, I'm sure when on one who came out 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.840 that I remember about his heavy footed mists and his 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.560 ability to laterally change directions. I think the biggest thing 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.160 with him is once he if he loses early in 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.600 the rep, if he doesn't get first contact, he doesn't 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.000 get your hand his hands on him initially, is he 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.240 going to have that redirect, that recovery talent to be 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:25.320 able to then refit and hold his ground right or 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.360 is he going to be boom or bust? Is he 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.560 going to be somebody that either gets his hands on 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.560 you and it's over or you go around? And that 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:36.240 was what happened a little bit at UCLA at times. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.480 But there's a ton of connections there, Citi sow. We've 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:43.240 heard the Albert Breer report. Now he certainly checks the 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:47.280 boxes from a length standpoint and an athleticism standpoint at 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.480 the combine to be able to play tackle. He's got 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.400 just over the threshold on the arm length, and he 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.720 had a pretty good combine workout where he's an above 0:30:55.760 --> 0:31:00.080 average athlete, so he can play tackle. Based off of 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:03.040 what I saw of him, I don't love him at tackle. 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:04.880 I just think a lot of those types of guys 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.400 you can just sort of tell that their skill set 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.600 is so much more conducive to a phone booth than 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:15.920 it is to space and being on an island, because 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.600 when he comes off the ball, he can generate so 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.600 much displacement on the line of scrimmage just with his 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.480 upper body power and is really I would say his 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.280 leverage and he's him and Mafi both have a pretty 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.160 rare ability to bend for guys that are that size. 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.440 I think it's a lot of projection because he also 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:39.080 didn't play tackle recently. It's been a couple of years. Yeah, 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.560 But I think either way, I like both of those guys. 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.200 I think both of those guys have a role on 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.160 an NFL roster, and we'll make a team like the 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:50.200 Patriots obviously, So I'm intrigued by both of them. But 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.880 I know you were joking earlier about sal playing tackle, 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.280 but there's some rationale to it. Certainly. 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.160 I look at that size six eight or six five 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.880 three twenty three. He got thirty three and three eight 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.680 cinch arms, So he checks the box there. He's tremendous athlete. 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.480 He's one of the best offensive line testers at the combine. Yep, 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.320 if you take his numbers at tackle, their top three 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:15.160 in every drill he did for tackles at the combine. 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:16.959 And there's something to be said for all. Right, if 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.240 I say this, how many times I say this, he's 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.800 that big in that athletic, get him in the building 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.920 and figure it out, right, And I think what I 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.520 worry about with him at tackle is the footwork, right, 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.000 I think he is the here's the thing. I think 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.760 he's a size and athleticism to play there. It's just 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.000 a technique thing. But this is all Their whole draft 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.960 was great size, great that great athleticism, needs better technique, 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:41.080 which they draft all. They drafted all the uncoachable traits, 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:42.800 and they're just banking on the coaching staff to get 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:44.840 these guys going. Yeah, for the most part, like Christian 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.840 zalz polished, they did draft a couple more high floor guys. 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.040 To Mario Douglas, I think Mafi's more a high floor 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:53.040 guy than a high ceiling Maffi is. 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.000 The type of guy that, like, he could play right 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.880 guard tomorrow and he might not be the best right 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.280 guard in the league, but he's not gonna be. 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.720 He's gonna he's gonna he could go. He could play 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.280 right guard in the NFL tomorrow, he could go. He 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:03.840 could play right guard in the NFL in ten years. 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:04.800 He's gonna be the same player. 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:05.080 Yep. 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:06.600 Maybe he's not a pro bowler, but like, that's the 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.840 guy is where is Sow to me is the opposite. 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:10.480 I don't know that Saal can come in and play 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.440 right guard tomorrow, but if he maxes out talking about 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.320 a pro bowler, at least a guard tackle again, does 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.640 he have the ability to go to that open side 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.760 and protect the edge and get around the horn. That's 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:26.520 gonna be the big question. We're gonna see it, and 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:27.760 we're not really gonna get to see it in the 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:31.200 spring because there's no pads. We'll see it in training camp. Look, 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:32.800 I still think tackle is gonna be a need. I 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.600 think we're gonna hammer tackle as much next offseason as 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:36.640 we did this offseason. 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.000 At some point they got to address it eventually, Like. 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.600 Sav's a lottery ticket if he works out a tackle. Awesome, great, 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.440 that would be sick. I don't think you can bank 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.000 on it, right, that's a that's a what if. But 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.560 I like him. I like all the picks individually. I 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.320 like the two guard picks individually. Andrews. I thought they 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.600 picked a little high. He's gonna have size issues in 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.120 the NFL. But it was like all of them together 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.120 is kind of I'm like, did you need all those guys? 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.520 Did you've drafted developmental tackle in there? But I like Sal. 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.520 I liked Sal coming in. I'm glad they're trying him 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.399 to tackle. I don't know that's gonna work, but again, 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.440 a guy with that athletic profile, give him a shot. 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.520 Why not? Right, That's kind of what the spring practices 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:18.879 are for. 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.480 Yeah, I think that there's a chance that him and 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.840 Mafi end up being good NFL players for them. 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.400 Mafi to me, I will say one more thing, Yeah, 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.080 this is Mike when winners last year in New England. 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:31.080 I think that's very clear. 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.520 Yeah, that was where I was going with the two. 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:40.279 I think that's a real telltales sign because speaking to 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.760 Mafi's offensive line coach at UCLA, speaking to Eric Alco 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.040 from the Shrine, Bowl and Mafi was a Shrine Bowl guy. 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:53.560 There's two things. One, Belichick really likes Mafi. He called 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.239 Chip Kelly and had a whole conversation with Chip Kelly 0:34:56.280 --> 0:35:00.120 about Mafi. Right, So he's really in on Mafi. And 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.040 I think that everybody that you talk to, his offensive 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:09.760 line coach at UCLA, coach Drevno's just out of not prompted, 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.200 was just like, you know, I recruited Mike on win 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:17.800 who back in the day. Mafi's the same guy. He's 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.400 the same guy. And when you look at that, I 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.279 just look. I look at those traits and I look 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.919 at the same thing, and it's hard not to read 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.840 that as on when who's probably not going to be 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.440 here next year. And that's that's just the way it screams. 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.960 And I think SOO maybe, like you said, is more 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.880 of that lottery ticket upside pick in the middle rounds 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.839 because of the athleticism. So I don't know exactly what 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:47.680 SU means quite yet, but I think Mafi is clear 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.600 cut Mike on Winnu insurance, Like that's that's pretty obvious 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.959 what he's on the roster for at the moment. And 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.200 and we'll see about Andrews I that's the one thing 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:02.240 I saw and heard about him was these bigger, more powerful, longer, 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.040 yeah nose tackles, interior guys like I think about, you know, 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.759 a guy like DeForest Buckner and like, you know, those 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.440 bigger guy that he's gonna have problems with that, similarly 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.680 to how Col Strange I had problems with his rookie year. 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:15.600 The one thing I'll say, and this is where again 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.359 there's always elements to this that sometimes we might find 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.839 out immediately after the draft, we might find out years later. 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.440 There's always things in play that we just don't know, 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.800 that we just can't account for. Like we didn't know 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.520 Darnel Washington had a knee injury before the draft, like 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.040 I would have totally changed my projection. Yeah, maybe the 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.360 Patriots know something about David Andrews that we don't. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.440 Well, I think what they certainly could know, And I 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.759 don't think that David Andrews in terms of his health. 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.880 I mean we saw him at the He's been at 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.640 all these these workouts. We saw I saw him at 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.600 the at the draft party on Thursday night. He's as 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.640 locked in and bought into the systems as ever. 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.400 But I think the watch like a guy like that. Yeah. 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:56.439 The one thing that you have to mention with David 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:57.560 Andrews's thirty years old. 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.400 He's going to be one. 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.480 And I do think that he is the type of 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:08.560 guy that would have the transparency with the organization. Uh, 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.880 this might be it, so that That's what I'm saying. 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:14.240 Like, I wonder if he went to them and said 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.839 this is my last year. Yeah, center becomes a much 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:18.560 more logical pick. 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:18.719 Now. 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.839 I think there were better centers on the board too, 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.080 That's part of it. Like I like Luke Whipler from 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.320 Ohio State. Yeah, we talked about Alex Forsyth from Oregon. 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:27.720 You have the Adrian clem connection. 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.000 But when I was surprised about that, it was Andrews 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:32.320 and not Yea and not Foresight. 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.359 Well Whipler, they were at Whipler's prote Yea, I set 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.480 all my crap about Ohio State and that was wrong. 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:42.000 But Andrew Sandmitt when I'm wrong too. Like Andrews is 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.240 under contract through twenty twenty four, He's still under contract 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:48.560 for two more years, I thought. And they have Cody Ruci, 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.919 who they seem to like, so I kind of thought, 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.359 you give Rusi another year. You see where he's at Yeah, 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.360 and then when Andrews is entering the contract year, if 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.839 RUSI doesn't get to the point you wanted to get to, 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.080 that's where you go and you invest heavily in the seven. 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.200 They took Jake Andrews one hundred and seven. This is 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.640 the next starting center of the Patriots. Eventually with that pick, 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.040 I thought that was coming next year. But if you 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.080 tell me, well, David Andrews told him that he's hanging 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.719 it up after this year. Okay, Now that pick makes 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.560 a lot more sense. Again, maybe I maybe would have 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.520 gone with a different player. But if David Andrews wasn't 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.399 a contract year, I would have said, Yah, center, top 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.160 one fifty makes a lot of sense. 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.080 It kind of goes back to it. And I think 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.960 Covid threw a whole wrench in twenty twenty. Yeah, but 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.160 Chung and Kyle Duggar, right, Yeah, the team kind of knew. 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.440 I think before we all did that. Patrick Chunk was retired. 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.799 It wasn't Dougger in a contract year that year. 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.920 Patrick chungk you mean Chung? Yeah, he might have been, 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.520 But I just know that there were at that point 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.839 in time, there were the team was pretty aware that 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:53.120 Patrick Chunk was either retiring or contemplating retiring. He ends 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.600 up opting out of the season because of COVID and 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.359 went that direction, then retired after the COVID year. Right, 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.120 but the team was aware that Patrick chuckk was done 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.960 playing football, right, We weren't as aware. I think there 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.359 were rumblings and like that he was kind of on 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.439 the fence about it. But I think that they were 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.360 one hundred percent certain that he was not going to 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.360 play next year. And that's where you get Kyle Duggar, 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.239 you know, being the top pick in the draft for them. 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:22.439 So I think it's similar, could be similar. I don't 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:24.000 We don't have any answer. 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:25.879 No, I don't know, but I'm I'm just saying, like. 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.120 Makes more sense if that's the case, which would be 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:29.640 a bummer because David Andrews a great page. 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:31.879 Of course. No, I don't want to push him out 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.319 to do it, and that's kind of was my first life. 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.680 I hope they're not pushing David Andrews out I know, 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.840 which I don't think they would. But you know, we 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.239 do so much of using what's going on, what's being said, 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.120 and what's being done to project draft picks. Yeah, this 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:46.440 is the time where we kind of do it the 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.520 other way around, and do these draft picks tell us 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.239 anything about the roster? Yeah, and that you know, I 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.359 mentioned the Mic and winnything before. I think the two 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.759 guards signal that they don't feel great about paying him. 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.000 I know, you think Marte mop who's going to play linebacker? 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.600 I wonder if did We're going to get to it. 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.200 They are wondering about paying Kyle duggar uh. And I 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.600 think Jake Andrews that pick tells me David Andrews assigned 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.920 for two years, but maybe those two years aren't a guarantee. 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.640 Yeah, all right, let's take this call from Michael, and 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:13.560 then I do want to get into the day. Two guys. 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:14.719 All right, Michael, what's up? 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:20.239 Let's go Hey guys, Hey, guys are doing so you know, 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:24.239 I think I think from from my perspective, like I 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.240 know that you guys. I know Evan, you keep saying 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.960 like they do they do on ANU with guard, he's guard, 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.399 he's guard. And I just personally think that you've got 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.279 to try your best offensive lineman's like they have to 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.719 be your tackle. You can you can find guys like 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.000 Moss in the fourth round so like I would, I 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.719 wouldn't be surprised if they try on tackle again under 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.840 Climb and O'Brien see maybe a PC could be the 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.799 answer there. But overall, like you know, there's a lot 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:51.480 of people that are like yah, I wish where they 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.600 could have taken a tight end or you know, receiver 0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.240 early or even the develpmenttal tackle. I really do think overall, 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.840 looking at the draft, I like it's should you consider 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.440 how they've built this team in the off season with 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.000 some of the free agent acquisitions, Like, there's not a 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.600 lot of guys who probably find a little you know, 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.400 in those spots where maybe would have staye one that 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.400 can make an impact this next year. Maybe Josh Downs 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.640 I can I can see that. But if they don't 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.200 see Tucker Craft or at Krusis fits at tight end, 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.399 then you know they're not gonna they're not gonna really 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:25.319 ortake them in those spots. So but I just wanted 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.080 to get you guys opinion on the overall off season 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.439 in general, and like the way that they've approached team 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.520 building and I think only missing the playoffs by one 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.280 game last year, and if it wasn't for two return 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:39.000 touchdowns against Buffalo, maybe we actually could send to the playoffs. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.040 So yeah, I think I think overall the team is 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.239 in a way better spot this year than it was 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.759 last year in a roster perspective. But want to figure 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:47.239 your guys thought. 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.959 Yeah, thanks for the call, Michael, I definitely agree. I'm 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.720 not ruling out Mike on when are you playing tackle? Yeah, 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:54.880 every all of the tea leaves say that he's going 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:55.640 to stick a guard. 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.000 I mean they were adamant about it last year. Yeah, 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.680 remember that he's already now it's a different offensive mine now, 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:02.640 so maybe that changes. 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.799 Yeah, But even Macro after the Day three of the 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.680 draft said he's kind of settled in at guard, And 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.400 I do think that there's something to be said for 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:14.400 he's like the one consistent guy that you probably have 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.400 on that line over the last couple of years besides Andrews, 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.600 and to continue to move them around and mess with them, Like, 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.480 I think there's something to be said for that. Now. 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.560 The overall team building approach of the offseason, and that 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.680 is it obviously can go in a lot of different directions. 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:33.560 I think overall, though, I do, I am starting to 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:37.600 see that they are building towards something. I think specifically 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:38.919 on the defensive side of the ball. 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.120 Certainly they built and building towards. I mean, there's not 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:42.960 much more they can. 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.080 Have the defensive side of the ball. And I mentioned 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.920 this on PU I went and I like to listen 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.360 to some of the national guys, not not like on 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.839 the talking head shows, like the podcast and stuff like that. 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:58.879 You know, people's opinions that I trust and normally think 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:03.520 are smart ball minds. They're bullish on the Patriots defense too, 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:07.200 and the Patriots defense on paper right now is low 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.680 key kind of loaded, especially if Christian Gonzales ends up 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.239 being as good as we all think he's going to be. 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.080 So the one question mark that I don't know if 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.840 those people because they're just not here and they're not 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.880 as glued into it as maybe we are, that that's 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.360 not being brought up is obviously replacing Devin mccordy, and 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.839 not necessarily the skill set, but just the mental side 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:28.360 of it and the coaching on the field and the 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.160 field general side of it. I think it's going to 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.160 be harder than people realize. But talent wise, this defense 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:36.799 has got talent at all three levels. They're faster, they 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.359 have better athletes. I think in most spots, and that 0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:44.200 brings us to the two day two picks, because I 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:47.279 will admit I was a little bit down after Friday night. 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.640 I was up here after Christian Gonzales. And for people 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.560 that don't know, we did a Christian Gonzales podcast last Friday, 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.320 So if you want to listen to our takes on 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.080 Christian Gonzales, we've already hashed that out. So that's why 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.759 we're not doing that today. I was sky high when 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.440 they picked Christian Gonzales in the first round. The second 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.560 round brought me back down to Patriots draft territory, right, like, 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.239 just back to real Patriot all right, They're gonna take 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.560 their guys and they're probably not gonna be my guys, 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:14.759 and this is just the way that it goes. I 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.600 think starting with Marty Mapoo, you just said something that 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:22.239 you're gonna get me going on this about his position, yeah, 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:26.880 on the Patriots and his position in the NFL. I 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:32.120 will be extremely critical of this team if they view 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.640 Marty Mattpoo as a safety. I will be even more 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.600 critical of this team if they view Marty Mapoo as 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:42.319 a Kyle Duggart replacement. And the two reasons why are one, 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:47.759 they have been starving, starving for some athleticism at the 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.279 second level of the defense, like they need it more 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.759 than they need anything else maybe on that side of 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.359 the football at this point. And they drafted a two 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.640 hundred and twenty pound missile at the linebacker position in 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:04.080 college that has film of him doing all of the 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:07.560 things that they need somebody to do, right, going sideline 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:11.800 to sideline, the tracker, running back, spying mobile quarterbacks, read 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.279 option plays. Like That's the one thing that I think 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:18.520 is really important with these draft picks and guys like Mapu. 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:22.720 They grew up in read option, they grew up defending RPO, 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:26.640 they grew up defending mobile quarterbacks, Like this is something 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.319 that isn't a learned behavior from them once they get 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.040 to this level, right. I think with a lot of 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.959 the Patriots old school, you know, two hundred and fifty 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.400 two hundred and fifty five pound linebackers, I think a 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:41.360 lot of those guys were just at the beginning of 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:46.560 the RPO read option mobile quarterback craze even in college. 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.640 Now it's like a whole different animal, right, The schemes 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.760 and the creativity is out. Guys like Marty Mapu, especially 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:58.720 in the FCS where he played football, where you aren't 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.839 as talented as other teams. You're not Alabama or Georgia, right, 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.360 So you have to get an edge with scheme and 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.040 you have to get an edge with coaching to an extent. 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.719 He he knows the keys on a read option play. 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:15.120 He understands where they're trying to attack him on an 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:18.040 RPO a lot better than a lot of guys. It's 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.040 kind of like how grow talks about, you know, receivers 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.879 being some natural pass catchers because of seven on seven 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.560 right and having so much experience in the passing game. Now, 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.000 I look at it the same way with Mapu. So 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.680 on the one hand, he checks all the boxes that 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:39.000 we've been clamoring for at linebacker in terms of speed, athleticism, instincts, 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.760 that ability to when Josh Allen rolls right and throws 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:47.680 across the field to a touchdown pass to Dawson Knox, Sorry, PTSD. 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.359 We have a guy now that can that can push 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.680 him out of bounce right. We have a guy now 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.600 that can go get him, and that I think is 0:46:55.600 --> 0:47:00.560 something that they've been missing. The second thing is we 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:04.160 have talked a lot about how the Patriots draft from 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.840 basically sixteen to nineteen. If you want to say seventeen 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:14.160 to nineteen, that range really set this organization back a 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:16.560 half decade because they drafted so poorly. 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:18.760 Three bad drafts set you back six years. 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.879 Kyle Dugger was the first pick that turned the tide. Yeah, 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:27.160 Kyle Dugger is not a perfect player. I know, you know, 0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.120 Badard goes on your station a lot, Alex and talks 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.800 about how he's overrated and how he's got issues in coverage. 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:37.120 And I don't necessarily disagree with any of the nitpicks 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.640 about Kyle Dugger, but at the end of the day, 0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:41.200 I do think that their nitpicks, and I think that 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.239 he's a playmaker and he's an impact player on the 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:46.520 defensive side of the ball. They don't have enough of 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:50.120 those types of guys to just let one walk out 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:55.640 the door, right, And that's also add to that that 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.040 next year because they don't have a lot of cap commitments, 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.160 because they don't have a lot of big price players. 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.879 They have like one hundred million dollars in salary cap 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.600 space or something ridiculous like that if you project. 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:08.640 It out right now, third fourth most in the league, right. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.640 So they have all the money in the world to 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:14.799 go out and pay Kyle duggar. Kyle Dugger is the 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.879 is the beginning of a new era on that side 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.719 of the football. And in a positive he is a hit. 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.040 You hit on him in the draft. It was a 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:27.960 good pick in twenty twenty. Why do you want to restart, like, 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:30.360 why do you want to hit the reset button? Over money? 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.960 Like over contract for a safety? Mind you, that isn't 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.399 That's not a twenty plus million dollar a year deal. 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.600 That's a position that's still watered down across the league. 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.560 We're not talking about paying a guy twenty five million 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.759 dollars a year. So I would be really I'd be 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.080 really critical if they let Kyle Dugger walk and dis 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.280 replace him with Marty Mapho. Marty Mapho if he hits 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.440 his his potential, which I just mentioned a lot of 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.000 the things that he can do. He can cover I 0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:58.960 would say more so in zone and I don't know 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.120 if he's fast enough to be a true man guy 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:05.040 on tight ends, but he can cover the second in 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.040 the middle of the field, second level middle of the 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.520 field type things. He's got that range, he's got that 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:12.520 ability to go from the middle of the field to 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.719 the sideline and make a play. He's got that quarterback 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.000 spy element in that downhill trigger. And then the film 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.399 at the Senior Bowl really showed a guy that even 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.680 at two hundred and twenty pounds, has the physicality to 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.840 hold up in the box. I really feel like he 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.759 can take on blocks, and especially when he when he 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.840 sees it and he goes triggers downhill, he packs a 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.840 punch right because he's moving so quickly. He's explosive. So 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:37.120 I think that he can play linebacker. And I look 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.719 at guys like Matt Milano, I look at guys like 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.359 Dion Jones. I look at guys that are Fred Warner 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:45.160 is a little bigger Fred Warner. I look this up. 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.600 He's Fred Warner is listed at two thirty five. 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:48.879 Yeah, Fred Werner's not real. 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:54.319 So but I would say that Mapu is six ' three. 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.440 He's not. Matt Milano is only six feet tall, right, 0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.640 Dean Jones is six to one, So he's got a 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.200 little bit more length that maybe he could pack on. 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.200 I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily want him to pack on 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.000 that much weight to match Fred Warner. But five to 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.000 seven pounds of muscle, I think is realistic, and you 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.680 get him too closer to two twenty five. I don't 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:15.560 see any reason why that that guy should not be 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.719 a linebacker here there. It just especially if you put 0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.080 him next to Jawan Bentley. So you have your two 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:25.000 hundred and fifty pounder, right, you have your thumber. I 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:27.240 know what you're I know where your point is that 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.680 that that this is what they do. They drafted year 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.400 head Kyle Duggar is a free agent. They're similar enough 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:35.560 that you could play them both in similar roles. 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.120 Well, Kyle Duggart basically plays like a linebacker now. 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.600 A little bit. But I I also just look at 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:45.680 it and think, Okay, Devin mccorty's gone. This would in theory, 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:47.399 and I don't know if it happens right away from 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:50.080 Matt poo just because of various you know, peck injury 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.719 level competition. In theory, though, this would free up Kyle 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:57.000 Duggart to play more of a natural safety position. 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.800 Okay, but now you're talking about replacing Kyle dug Art Mapho. 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.600 No, I'm talking about Kyle dugger playing safety and Mapho 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.160 playing linebacker. These two guys. 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.520 But you're basically saying Kyle Dugger plays linebacker right now. 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.439 No, I don't think he does. I think Kyle Duggar 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:11.200 plays a hybrid. 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.480 So then how does bringing in Mapo free up Dugger? 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:17.920 So all right, you're saying this frees up Kyle Dugger 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.080 plays safety because Mampho's gonna take over his. 0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:24.440 Role, Kyle Dugger playing deep safety, okay, and Mapoo playing 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.040 in the box as the athletic guy in the box 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.239 that has the power in the play, strength to be 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:30.479 able to hold up at two twenty. 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.359 Okay. So but if that's a linebacker, then you're saying 0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:33.440 Kyle Duger plays linebacker. 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.680 I'm saying, I'm saying Kyle Dugger. We're getting into a 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.600 lot of semantics here, I get it. I'm saying that 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:42.839 Kyle Duggar has some has some overlap out back. 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.800 Look right, look, here's I don't disagree with anything you said. 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:51.040 But for all of that to what for Marte map 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:54.560 who has a ton of NFL potential, For that potential 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:58.600 to be recognized in New England, something massive has to break, 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.279 and that can be any number of things. Six three 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.040 two seventeen is not a linebacker in New England. It's 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:05.560 simply not. 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:07.919 So this is what This is what I'm getting at though. 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.280 They need that philosophical change. 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.360 So okay, but this is what I'm saying, so just 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:16.400 off of trends though, either he has that, they have 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:20.759 to completely rewrite how they view the lineback position. This 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:25.320 is not a small change. This is a massive philosophical overhaul. 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:28.560 That's one option, desperately, that is one option. The other 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.760 option is he puts on twenty pounds and essentially plays 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:35.239 like mac Wilson and ray Kwan McMillan. Now here's my 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.920 issue with that. They're very impatient with those guys. You 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:43.439 brought up the Josh Allen athleticism. That's what I'm saying, Well, again, 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.320 something some guys can put on weight and still be effective. 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.200 It's rare. You mentioned the Josh Allen play last year, right, 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:52.000 Why didn't mac Wilson hit Josh Allen? Because the saying 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:55.120 don't take penalties. They don't want their linebackers to be 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:58.560 aggressive in that sense, and for a guy like this 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.799 to be successful, he take chances. He is going to 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.160 get beat sometimes. The other thing they could do, I've 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:05.960 seen some people suggest this they could turn him into 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:09.320 an edge rusher. Well, now he's changing position and he 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.520 still probably needs to put weight on or six three 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.640 two seventeen. With his athleticism is kind of a textbook 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:16.560 Patriot safety. 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:17.560 He is a. 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:20.520 Physical fit for the Kyle Duggart role. But now he's 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:24.160 changing positions and that's a risk. So no matter what happens, 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.840 adapt Okay, but listen, just listen to my point. Okay, 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:32.160 No matter what happens, the path for him to be 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.399 successful in New England doesn't exist right now. For him 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.400 to business as usual as a two hundred and seventeen 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:41.319 pounder to play linebacker the way the Patriots ask their 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:45.480 linebackers to play, that will not work. It won't, okay, 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:48.640 So something massive has to break. You say it's a 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:49.760 philosophical change. 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:50.120 I do. 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.360 I think they might be looking at a position change. 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.040 Ask because the reason I'm more optimistic about it working 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.799 because I do think that you look at guys like 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:02.359 Adrian Phillips, like Yle Dugger, like Jabriel Peppers that do 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.640 play a lot of their snaps in the box, right 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:05.800 and they that's. 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:07.600 Kyle Duggar's role. That's what I'm saying. 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:11.160 But what I'm telling you with Kyle Dugger is that 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:14.279 having a Guylac Mapu that can do the things that 0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:17.200 he does in the box, will now allow Kyle Dugger 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:20.759 to take over some of Devin mccorty's responsibilities. Right, So, 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.319 I don't think that Kyle Dugger is a full time 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.959 free safety, but they're going to need him to play 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:26.920 some free safety. 0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:30.400 But so then you're putting Marte Mapu into those responsibilities 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:34.000 of what is Kyle Dugar's position a safety? So you 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:35.560 are suggesting a position change? 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.960 Then no, but that's what that is. No I am 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.560 I I am not. I want them to make him 0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.320 a linebacker, and I want linebackers in New England. 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.240 But what you're describing is not what you're. 0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:48.279 Just such a classic argument. 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.240 What you're describing is not him playing linebacker. 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.040 Yes, it is. I want what I want just to 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:54.240 play weak side linebacker. 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:55.520 Is that what Kyle Dugger does now? 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.479 No, Kyle Dugger right now plays in the box because 0:54:58.480 --> 0:54:59.799 he matches up. Okay, okay, but. 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.680 Let me as so, then how does drafting Marte Mopu 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:04.560 help you play Kyle duggert free safety? 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.080 Oh my goodness, this is where I'm going with this. 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.720 They need to philosophically change how they approach the linebacker position. 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:13.399 Okay, but that has nothing to do with Kyle Duger. 0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:17.280 Yess it does because they need to this. Kyle Dugger 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:19.439 is on the field and plays his role right now 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.800 because they won't change from the Jawan Jawan Bentley's and 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.560 Jolanni de VI's the world linebacker. Okay. So instead what 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.600 they do is they play dime on third down and 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.279 Kyle Dugger comes down into the box and plays in 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.560 that role on third down because they take Jolanni Tavai 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:36.759 off the field. 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.960 So plays it. What is that role? It's a linebacker role. 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.319 It's a it's a safety slash linebacker, moneybacker type of. 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.640 Right, Isn't that what Marte Mopu doesn't That project is 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:46.520 what they're gonna have him do. 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:48.840 But I want him to do it on first down. Okay, 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:50.680 So that's but I don't want him to do it 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:52.040 in an obvious path. I want him to do it 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:53.920 all down. But I'm not saying I want I don't 0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:56.000 want him to. I don't want Marty Mapu to be 0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:59.320 a situational player, Okay. I want the Patriots to recognize 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:04.640 that they if they on their schedule next year, they 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:08.239 have Josh Allen twice, they have Patrick Mahomes, they play 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.960 the Eagles and Jalen Hurts. This is the league. You 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:17.000 are gonna play these guys every single week nowadays. Guys 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.719 that can run, Guys that can create out of structure, 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:22.640 guys that can extend plays outside the pocket. And if 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.760 you are trying to combat those offenses with two hundred 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:30.240 and fifty five pound linebackers like Jolani Tovai and Jawan Bentley, 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.320 then you are going to get run off to you. 0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:36.600 So you want a philosophical change again, if they change 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.920 what they do philosophic and this is a massive This 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:42.640 is rewriting the defense. This is not just oh, we're 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:44.680 gonna create one role for this player that we're gonna 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.040 use here and there. This is not having a package 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.640 for Marcus Jones on offense. This is completely You're taking 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.920 what day view is the most most important position in 0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:57.600 the defense. Maybe second most be behind corner, but you're 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.400 taking with day view as a monumentally important position. 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:01.600 Yes, and you are. 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:04.600 Completely changing the way that they view entirely. 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.839 Yes, that's a big ask. 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:08.920 Now, it would work. I'm not disagreeing with you that 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.120 it wouldn't work. It would absolutely work, And would it 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.359 make them a better defense. Yeah, probably, but. 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:16.760 He's one step behind on this. 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.680 It's I don't think I'm trying to the equivalent. 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:25.040 It's the one thing and I give I give Belichick 0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:29.280 all the credit in the world for twenty years. Yeah 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:33.400 he was always, not always, but he was either at 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.400 the front of the line. He was a trailblazer. He was. Yeah, 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:40.000 he was a trailblazing coach, especially on the defense side 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:43.640 of the ball. Heck, the guy invented riplez, all right, 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:47.120 he invented match coverage with Nick Saban and Cleveland thirty 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:51.360 years ago. Now everybody, every in every Power five team, 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.680 and every NFL team in the in the league has 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.080 riple is in their playbook because of Bill Belichick and 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.840 Nick Saban. Okay, but the one thing that he has 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.800 not adapted on is linebacker. He hasn't done it. He 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:08.880 still believes in gap control, compressing space, taking on blocks, 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:10.800 and in order to do those types of things, you 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:13.120 need to be two hundred and fifty pounds right, Okay. 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:16.200 But the problem is is that when they play Buffalo, 0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:20.520 and when they play Kansas City, and when they play Philadelphia, 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:22.400 and let's face it, let's stick it to Buffalo in case, 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:24.720 because those are the two teams in the conference. We 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:26.600 want the Patriots to get back to the super Bowl, 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:28.200 you are going to have to go through one of 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:30.320 those teams, if not both of those teams to get there. 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:34.440 And right now they're defensive defensively, they can't play Kansas 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:38.200 City in Buffalo that way. They can't. They can't playing 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:38.520 like that. 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:41.920 Look, if it's a philosophical change, it's great. Yes, it's 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:43.760 great because that's what they need to do. I'm just 0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.520 telling you how many times have they had a chance 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.200 to make that change the last couple of you remember 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:53.440 that linebacker classes all those guys, and. 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:55.080 I think the description, I really hope that they finally 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.800 see it. And I think a guy like Marty Mapho 0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:01.520 Marty Matpho didn't play safety in college, right, Marty Map 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.600 who played linebacker, And I think the biggest difference is 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:06.640 is between him and like a guy like Kyle Dugger. 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:09.560 Is that because Marty Map who played full time at 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:14.520 linebacker at Sacramento State, he has linebacker instincts, right, He 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:18.560 reads run keys, he understands blocking schemes, he understands his 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:22.560 role in the front seven. That that's different between when 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:26.200 you put safeties at the second level, you're playing those 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.640 guys out of position, right, Like you're counting on them 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:34.000 to understand their their responsibilities, but they don't have. Marty 0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:37.000 Mapho has the potential and I'm not saying he's there yet, 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:40.520 but Marty Mapho has like the instincts of the Juwan Bentley, 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:42.000 but the speed of a Kyle Dugger. 0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:46.280 So I basically here's my point, because what you're saying. Again, 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.080 I don't disagree with anything you're saying. 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:51.160 I know this is like when we argue about mock draft. 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:53.160 No different because I don't think this is semantics. I 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:55.680 don't think the semantics. I think we're kind of viewing 0:59:55.680 --> 1:00:01.680 this differently. I agree with everything you're saying in theory. Realistically, though, 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:07.240 what's more likely they change for the players or they 1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:09.320 asked the players to change for them. 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:14.720 I I understand where you're coming from, right, But I'm hoping, 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:16.760 and I understand that this is just a hope. This 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:19.200 is just a fever dream of it of mine. You 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.960 know when I when I think up things that you 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:25.240 know late at night, Right, Yeah, this is my hope 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:28.520 is is that they have drafted Marty Mapho because they've 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:29.880 already planned to do this. 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:32.440 Which, by the way, I think would be that if 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:35.439 they plan to do this, they went into the draft saying, 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:37.280 we want to create this role in our defense. We 1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:38.840 need to go get a guy to do it exactly. 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.600 And there weren't a ton of those guys in this draft, 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:44.480 right like it wasn't you know, we talked about this. 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:48.280 I don't think Henry Toto is quite as athletic enough. 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.760 I think, like Drew Sanders would have been the other option, 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:53.320 but when I watched, they weren't taking a line back 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:54.840 of that time and I when and when I watched 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.760 Marty Mapoo. Actually, whether it translates or not, I know 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:00.960 it is going to be the constant quest for everybody. 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:03.920 But I see a faster downhill trigger for Marty Mattpoo 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:06.800 than for Drew Sanders. I think Drew Sanders does a 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:09.880 lot of the same things, but when it's clicking close 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:12.680 time and it's just closing bursts to the football, I 1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:14.680 think Marty Mattpoo moves at a little bit of a 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.280 different speed. But I might not be right about that. 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:20.240 That's just eye test, you know, and we'll see. I 1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:24.480 am hoping that mainly, And look, I'm gonna I don't 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:25.840 want to say it like that because I don't want 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:28.600 to say that Bill can't adapt, because I just went 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.560 on a rant about how much he used to adapt. 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:32.840 But I think that there is a little bit of 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:35.880 Drawd Mayo influence in this too. I think I hope 1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:40.160 where you know, Mayo talked about how he loves he 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:44.640 loves watching he loves scouting. He said that, he said 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.520 he loves scouting because he actually not only does he 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:49.560 like watching the players, but he also likes to watch 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:52.240 what the college teams are doing schematically right. And it 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:56.440 has I have to think that he was watching all 1:01:56.560 --> 1:01:59.400 these players, all these linebackers that they wanted him to 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:03.720 study in the aten, thinking tight fronts like you know, 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:06.520 two hundred and twenty pound guys playing like what is 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:09.200 any of this right? You know, why are we doing 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:11.120 any of this? And then you look at the film 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:13.200 against Buffalo or you look at you know they're gonna 1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:16.520 I think Kansas City is a perfect these modern offenses, 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.280 and now all of them, they're all sprouting up all 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.080 over the league and it's just gonna continue. They need 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:23.680 to adapt, and I hope that they realize that, and 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:27.400 I hope that they know that where Marty Mapu and 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:30.360 your defense now is not a safety. Yeah, he's a 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:34.160 three down linebacker, and you have your Juwan Bentley to 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:36.560 play the mic on first down if you still want that, 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:39.520 and you still need it because they Bill probably won't 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:42.680 change his spots completely, right, So he's still gonna hold 1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:45.600 on to some things. Juwan Bentley can still be your 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:47.920 two hundred and fifty pound MIC that can play the 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.480 run first down. But Marty Mapu's got to be playing 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:53.560 at the second level of the defense. He's got to 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:57.240 have a weak side linebacker responsibilities and rules. I don't 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:59.120 want to man to man on a tight end. I 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:01.560 want him in a hook, so I want him chasing 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:04.200 and I want him tackling people. Yeah, right, that's it. 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:08.960 So, and look, maybe it's interesting you bring up Mayo. Right, 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:10.480 there's that report at the beginning of the year that 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:12.200 he's coming back, and we figure he's gonna have a 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:14.439 bigger role. We don't know what it is. Maybe that's 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:16.680 the catalyst for the chains. Maybe Gerd Mayo comes in 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:18.040 and says, Bill, I know you've done it this way 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:21.160 for twenty something years, but yeah, I want to add 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:23.440 this element to the defense maybe, and maybe that's what 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:24.960 is So maybe that's it for the record for the 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:27.800 people in the chat. Yeah, I know Kyle Dugger is 1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:29.320 a safety. I was trying to make a point. He 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:29.920 is a safety. 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.240 I get that, Yes, I just when I think of 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:36.280 Kyle Dugger and I get that he aligns in the 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:40.200 box sometimes and basically lines up as a linebacker. But 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:45.360 he's somebody that for the most part is either handling 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:49.040 high stress zone assignments at the second level, right, like 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:53.480 you know, carrying the seam in a Cover two Tampa two. Right, 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:57.040 he's the whole player and that in that defense, handling 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.240 the weak side hook and Cover three. So when that 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:01.920 crosser comes from the strong side of the formation, you 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:05.480 have a really good cover player in there. He's man 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:09.480 to man on a tight end. Right. I want Matt 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:13.920 Pou to play like he's Juwan Bentley right, right, but 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:15.600 I want him to play it three downs. 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:18.560 Yeah, it's just again, I'm not I don't disagree with you, 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:20.440 but it would be such a massive departure from what 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:20.760 they do. 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:23.520 What they do, but they need to do it. They do. 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:25.360 I'm not saying they don't need to do it. But 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.680 it's and at some point that's got to win any 1:04:28.320 --> 1:04:29.160 dog new tricks. 1:04:30.880 --> 1:04:32.640 He's he's he's changed before. 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:34.680 I don't even mean like I didn't even mean that 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:36.560 it Bill directly. I just mean in general, like their 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:40.240 whole thing's built around this one concept. Again, because if 1:04:40.280 --> 1:04:43.040 you make that change, you're not just changing the way 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:46.800 one player plays. It impacts everybody else on the defense, 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:51.280 you have to change things about other positions to accommodate it. Again, 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:53.400 I actually that you brought up d Mayo is a 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:55.960 really good point. Yeah, maybe this is Drod Mayo coming 1:04:56.000 --> 1:04:58.400 in and saying I want to make this change philosophically 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:00.600 on the defense, I'm calling this, go get me this guy. 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:03.320 Yeah right, Maybe maybe it wasn't Map who maybe gave 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:05.360 him five players and said give me one of these guys. Right, 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:10.000 But yeah, that's that to me would be the thing. 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:12.800 But it's we're talking whether they do it or not, Evan, 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:14.360 And you can want them to do it all you want, 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:16.200 and I think there's certainly a case of doing it. 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:18.600 You have to do it. It's a massive, massive change. 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:23.240 It's a massive change in terms of it's a massive 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:26.680 change in terms of like how they look at labeling positions, right, 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:29.720 Like Kyle Duggan and Jabriel Peppers and Adrian Phillips have 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:33.360 done some of these things recently, But they meet with 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.280 Brian Belichick and Mike Pellegrino and the DBS, right, they 1:05:36.280 --> 1:05:40.160 don't meet with Gerard Mayo and Steve So from that respect, 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:43.080 to have somebody that's in the meeting room with the 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:47.360 linebackers and wearing a linebacker number and is a linebacker 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:50.560 doing the things that they ask Adrian Phillips to do 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:55.720 is certainly different. But asking a player of that size 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:58.960 to take on some of the roles and responsibilities I'm 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:01.439 saying he should take on they've been doing with their 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:03.080 safeties for the last. 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:07.440 Couple I guess the changes, Like you're not taking Adriane 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:09.240 Phillips or Kyle dugar off the field to put this 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:09.680 guy on. 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:11.840 You might be taking Adrian Phillips off. 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:12.960 That would be interesting. 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:14.880 And Adrian Phillips getting up there. 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:18.600 All right, It sounded like you were saying, like, take 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:21.480 Juwan Bentley off the field or take like. 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:26.280 I think that certainly, like Maphu should be your third Dan, Mike, 1:06:26.520 --> 1:06:29.120 like if you and look, we're this is projection. We're 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:32.760 talking about this, you know, philosophically, and if the player 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:34.960 works out, there's a chance that he's a dud and 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:38.240 he's a bust and he doesn't play anything. Well. If 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:40.960 the player works out, then on third I would even say, 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:43.880 like depending on down and distance, on second down too, Yeah, 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:46.960 he should be your Mike linebacker. On first down, he's 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:49.880 gonna play offset Bentley because they're not gonna take Bentley 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:53.400 off the field and have them run power at Marty 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:55.400 Map who had two hundred and twenty pounds. They won't 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:59.439 do it. So that respect, I think, you know, where 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:02.440 does he whose spot does he take? Whose snaps does 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:05.480 he take? I definitely think you're you're thinking more Adrian 1:07:05.520 --> 1:07:08.160 Phillips because I don't think they're pulling Kyle Dugan infield. 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:11.200 Phillips is like significantly bigger than he is. He's not toleran. 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:12.280 He's two hundred and ten pounds. 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:14.280 Phillips is two hundred and ten pound. 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:16.160 Philps two hundred ten pounds right listed. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:17.040 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:19.840 So I guess it's more like this is what I 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:22.680 mean by the change, right, Where is the where are 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.400 these snaps coming from? You're taking somebody off the field, 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:28.200 whether it's Jawan Bentley, whether it's Adrian Phillips. 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:31.760 Okay, but who But let me bring it home. Yeah, 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:37.280 he already took somebody off the field, Devin mccordy. He retired, Okay, 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:41.520 So somebody is gonna have to play Devin McCarty's responsibilities. 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:46.520 The guy that I think is best suited to do it. 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:47.439 Is Kyle Duggar right, okay. 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:49.919 Because he played free safety in college. Yeah, he's got 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:53.160 the range, he's got the physicality, and he's got the 1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:56.160 instincts like he's a ballhawker, that's right. As much as 1:07:56.160 --> 1:08:00.280 he might give up plays at times, he bakes them. Right. Yeah, 1:08:00.760 --> 1:08:04.480 So I think Kyle Duger, Like I said earlier, I 1:08:04.480 --> 1:08:07.240 don't want Kyle Dugger to play Devin McCarty's role one 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:10.000 hundred percent of the tight. I still think that he's 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:12.520 so impactful in the box that they need to leave 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:14.600 him some freedom to play in the box. 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:16.760 Well, okay, let me take Okay, it's another way though, 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.519 What if Jalen Mills is the free safety, Because it 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:20.559 sounds like that could happen. 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:23.920 I think Jalen Mills. So now we're really going down 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:25.680 in the rabbit hole. I like this. No, this what 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:30.080 we do Jalen Mills, Yeah, is covering tight ends. Kyle 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:33.160 Duggar is Devin McCarty. He's gonna play free safety and 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:36.000 then sometimes rotate into the box because he's so good there. 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:39.519 Jalen Mills to me, they look at him, They look 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:45.000 at him and say, probably too slow to play outside corner. Right, 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:49.960 he can't keep up with receivers, so but he can play. 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:52.320 And man, so what do you do? You have n't 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:53.240 covered slower guys. 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:57.840 Okay, but so now you're taken. Devin McCarty's off, yep. 1:08:58.360 --> 1:09:00.400 But Jalen Mills still on the field, old because he 1:09:00.439 --> 1:09:03.360 was on the field last year. You're keeping Kyle Dugger 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:07.519 on the field. Also added Christian Gonzales to play outside corn, 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:13.040 play outside corner. You know, where's Marcus Jones. There's Jonathan 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:13.439 Jones and. 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:16.040 Arcus Jones in the slot. Okay, Jonathan Jones is your 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:16.880 field corner. 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:19.600 Jack Jones. We're not including Jack Jones? Just fine. I 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:22.559 don't think I'm with you on that. But all right, 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.960 so where are the snaps? Where is the role form? 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:28.280 Marte map? So all right, so Kyle goes to Marty, 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:32.200 Kyle Dugger goes to deep safety, and Marte mop who 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:33.880 takes some of the responsibilities Kyle Dugger. 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:36.760 So Marty mapoo to me and they're let. 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:38.040 Me Okay, I think this is what I've been trying 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:39.840 to ask. I couldn't figure it out. Are you just 1:09:40.040 --> 1:09:42.800 essentially a racing not a racing? But when Kyle Duger 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:45.640 plays deep safety, are you just getting rid of the 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:48.599 role he has and you have Marte mop who doing 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:51.040 similar things but in a differently defined role. 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:53.240 For the most part. Okay, I think that's the easiest 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:55.320 way to put it. I think the other guy that 1:09:55.439 --> 1:09:57.559 kind of is the odd man out ends up being 1:09:57.560 --> 1:09:58.640 here as jolani. 1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:03.400 As you're strong side edge set. Well, you know what 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:05.719 that that's a perfect transition because if you're not gonna 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:08.759 get that from the linebacker position, you got a defensive 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:12.800 end who does that version. Boom ie, Wow, holy crap, we. 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:13.280 Just did that. 1:10:13.560 --> 1:10:13.840 Wow. 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:19.960 See thank you. Now you're speaking my language, which brings 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:22.200 us to the second round pick in the Patriots. 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:26.280 So now we're you're going full circle. So now we're 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:28.120 going I guess it's not three four to four three, 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:31.400 but now we're taking a linebacker, we're taking a linebacker off, 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:34.320 putting a hybrid linebacker safety on, and adding a defensive end, 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.519 adding a hybrid defensive hybrid defense. He's a defensive end. 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:40.000 I I so he's a five technique. 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:40.680 He's a five tech. 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:40.960 Yeah. 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:42.240 So you think he's gonna play standing up? 1:10:43.920 --> 1:10:47.439 Maybe okay in some fronts because if he's playing stand 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:50.599 up over the tight end right on the strong side 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:53.639 of the formation, I'm so glad we got this full circle. Yeah. 1:10:53.760 --> 1:10:57.479 Then I think that he look the commine says he 1:10:57.520 --> 1:10:59.920 can do it. Right, guy ran like a four. 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:02.840 On the back. I think it was thirty one. 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:04.559 I'm not the biggest key on White Fan. I'm just 1:11:04.560 --> 1:11:07.360 gonna put that out there. And the reason why I 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:10.439 was not the biggest key on White Fan is because 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:14.600 I personally feel like he just doesn't have that like 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:20.720 first step Josh off the ball explosiveness as I have 1:11:20.760 --> 1:11:23.639 to do. And as I am doing talking myself into 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:26.839 everything over here, I am recognizing that I was thinking 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:32.880 about it wrong. I was thinking about, how can this 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:36.479 player help them rush the passer? How can this player 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:39.360 be a double digit sack guy for them? And not 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:41.840 know he's the strong side edge ctter. 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:44.679 So my comp for him, let me tell you tell anything, 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:45.520 Trey Flowers. 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:47.559 Yeah, I think that that's not a bad I mean, 1:11:47.600 --> 1:11:51.040 if he liked maxim I think ideally you know a 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:53.760 lot of people that that have studied Keon White, I 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:57.120 have said as a pass rusher, he's probably better as 1:11:57.160 --> 1:11:59.320 like a three technique or an inside. 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:00.720 That's the thing. If he passed strushes, I think it's 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:02.920 gonna be from the interior, like him next to bar 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:04.920 More on that interior rush, right. 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:07.639 But I think in their base nickel or base big 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:11.360 dime defenses, he's gonna be your strong side edge center. 1:12:11.920 --> 1:12:13.760 So here's why I like Keon White, and I'm with 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:15.880 you on that. I think on early downs he's he's 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:18.479 setting that edge, and then on passing downs you either 1:12:18.960 --> 1:12:21.360 have him on the edge, not as a pass rusher, 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:23.879 but like just hold that edge. Don't let the quarterback 1:12:23.920 --> 1:12:26.040 get outside you, right, just keep the edge of that 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:26.760 pocket tight. 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:29.360 But that's exactly who what his skill said. 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:33.920 I think that as he grows, there's the potential to 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:37.880 kick him inside as a rusher, and just his athleticism 1:12:37.960 --> 1:12:41.120 in his motor next to Christian bar More in his 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:43.880 motor would be a lot for teams handle now that's 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:46.320 in step two. That's year two or year three right 1:12:46.400 --> 1:12:49.479 right now. The reason I like Keon White, and I've 1:12:49.479 --> 1:12:51.679 said this about some of the other players they've drafted. Yeah, 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:56.240 six ' five, two eighty three. They have him as 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:59.800 the the composite athletic grade that they give based on 1:12:59.840 --> 1:13:02.719 all combine testing. He ranked fourth among edge rushers. Really 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:08.240 like upper echeline. He's very wrong, he admitted on the call. 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:10.080 He's like, you admit on the call that night. My 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:12.839 technique needs to be better. He's only been playing defensive 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:15.519 end for three years. He was a tight end at 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:19.240 Old Dominion, played tight end there for one year, moved 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:22.040 to defensive end, played there another year at defensive end, 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:26.200 sat out the COVID year, transferred to Georgia Tech, played 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:28.960 as a reserve defensive end two years ago, and then 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:32.160 last year had the breakout year. When I look at 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:34.240 a guy like that and people go, oh, why did 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:35.839 they get a guy that like can't play the position. 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:40.000 There are guys who've been playing defensive end their entire lives. 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:42.800 He's been doing it three years and he still got 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.040 drafted ahead of a lot of them. The progress he's 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:46.840 made in three years. This is a guy that, in 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:49.080 everything he said about the work ethic and all that, 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:51.920 clearly a quick learner guy that's going to pick things up. 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:55.200 He checks every single box of the things he can't coach. 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:57.439 They just got to get him in the lab with 1:13:57.479 --> 1:13:58.360 Joe kim basically. 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:02.120 And if they do that and and and Covington. 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:04.439 And DeMarcus Covington as well, well, I'm because I'm thinking 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.639 of like the hands Joe Kim, al. 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:10.519 He's got it. He has right now. Kean White has 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:13.080 no pass rush plan, No, he has none. He just 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:16.000 he's just gonna come off the ball. He's gonna put 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:17.680 his big mits into you and he's gonna try to 1:14:17.720 --> 1:14:18.000 push you. 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:20.519 He wins purely power. That's what he does. But that's it. 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:24.120 He has all of the tools to become a guy 1:14:24.240 --> 1:14:26.439 who can be a problem off the edge. It's just 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:28.680 getting him there. Like you said, Demarkt, this is a 1:14:28.720 --> 1:14:30.720 bet on DeMarcus Covington. That's what this pick is. And 1:14:30.760 --> 1:14:33.439 it's it's a guy I bet on, certainly. But again 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.880 I give the Trey Flowers comp Like I think worst 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:39.360 case scenario, key On White is big enough and strong 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:41.320 enough that He's gonna set the edge in the run 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:44.479 game and maybe against mobile quarterbacks, help keep them in 1:14:44.479 --> 1:14:48.120 the pocket. It's baseline. Which second round pick for a 1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:49.720 guy like that, I don't know, but like that's a 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:50.400 useful player. 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:53.280 It's a useful player, especially if they're going in the 1:14:53.280 --> 1:14:54.519 direction I think they're going in. 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:59.639 But then to build, like why I'm excited about Kean White? 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:01.479 When you texted me the night of the draft, you 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:04.599 hated it? Yep, you weren't you based? Tell me if 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:07.120 I'm wrong. You weren't looking at the ceiling. You saw 1:15:07.200 --> 1:15:08.720 him for who he is, not who he can be. 1:15:08.880 --> 1:15:11.360 Yeah, I definitely was looking at what his film was now. 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.160 And I would also just say I was thinking, like 1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:17.280 I tried to get at earlier. I was thinking, like 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:20.880 where is where's the explosiveness off the line, Like how 1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:23.439 does when josh u j is not here in a year, right, 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:25.320 how does this help them replace josh U? 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:26.799 I think you were about that in here. 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:29.160 And I also just think I was thinking about it wrong. 1:15:29.400 --> 1:15:31.600 No, he's not. And that's the thing. He's that in 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:34.120 a way. That was my initial instinct, And he's a 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:38.360 josh u Ja replacement if anything, And it's still not 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:41.880 a one for one. It's Anthony Jennings replacement. Yeah, he's 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:42.479 on that side. 1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:47.040 He's a probably more naturally a hand in the dirt player, yeah, 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:51.040 than a stand up guy. But he's a more athletic, 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:56.880 more hopefully more explosive, more upside all those types of things. 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.599 But what he can do right now for them, yeah, 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:02.480 is hold up the strong side, right, hold up blockers. 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:04.800 And there's not gonna be many guys that can just 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:05.960 outpower them, right. 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:08.479 So you're gonna have you know, just in theory, you're 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:11.400 gonna have probably the Joneses to his side, right, because 1:16:11.400 --> 1:16:13.920 the tight end will be over there. You'll probably have 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:17.639 the Joneses to his side. You're gonna have somebody whether 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:20.960 it's Dugger or Jalen Mills or whoever, playing that tight 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:24.880 end stopper type role. You have Bentley as the mic, 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:27.559 You're gonna have Mapu on the weak side, and you're 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:29.680 gonna have Judon as the weak side edge rusher, right 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:32.200 because he's gonna away from the tight end. And just 1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:34.640 let jus you have any napkins over there with your 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:37.879 sandwich or something I can write on No, Ju Judon's 1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:41.320 roles was and then obviously Christian Zales on the boundary 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:44.280 against the X. What excites me the most about this 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:48.559 is one it becomes more dynamic of the second level, 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.040 which I think, which is what I was getting out 1:16:50.040 --> 1:16:52.920 with the whole map. Who thing if free Judon is 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:55.280 now gonna have like fifteen sacks again next year because 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:57.920 he's not gonna have any double teams or anything like 1:16:57.960 --> 1:17:01.559 that on early downs, He's just gonna They're gonna allow 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:03.559 you On to just tee off right because he's not 1:17:03.560 --> 1:17:07.639 gonna have a lot of those edge responsibilities. And I'm 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.840 not trying to pick on anybody, but it gets the 1:17:10.920 --> 1:17:15.040 Jilani to Viz and the Jwan Bentley's more in it 1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:18.479 either a natural spot or just less playing time, quite frankly, 1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:21.400 and I just think that that's where they need to get. 1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:24.240 And I put all these pieces together, and I think 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:29.400 the two the two biggest things. If Marty Mapu can't 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:31.880 do it, if he's not an NFL player, he doesn't 1:17:31.880 --> 1:17:34.320 want to pick doesn't pan out. I do think that 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:36.720 they could probably accomplish some of the same things with 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:38.960 an Adrian Phillips, which cut with a Kyle Duggar, even 1:17:39.000 --> 1:17:41.680 with the Jabiel Peppers right that that he can do. 1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:44.160 So if he can't do it, then then we have 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:50.240 some alternatives. If this really has the potential to be 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.200 like the best defense in the league on paper, just 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:56.800 the way we just mapped it out, if Christian Gonzalez 1:17:56.840 --> 1:17:58.960 is as good as we think he is, right, because 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:02.200 Christian Gonzalez is going to have no help over there, Like. 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:04.599 The idea is you're you're playing ten on ten. 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:08.720 Yeah, Christian Gonzalez is going to be on the backside 1:18:08.720 --> 1:18:11.800 on the boundary against the X receiver. He's probably gonna 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:13.759 have post safety help in the middle of the field. 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:15.240 And that's about it. 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:16.519 Give it pece of paper. 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.680 Let's let's chart this sun that's an actual piece. Well, 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:22.519 we'll do this later so that that's where I'm at 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:24.840 with this defense. That's why I just really got me. 1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:27.160 Once I connected all this in my head, I was like, 1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:30.680 oh my goodness, this could be really great. But it's 1:18:30.680 --> 1:18:32.640 a draft, so all these all these guys got to 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:35.559 pan out right. But I think the beauty is is 1:18:35.560 --> 1:18:40.439 that Christian Gonzales and theory has that ability. And Keon White, 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:44.000 I think personally his floor is already what I'm trying 1:18:44.040 --> 1:18:49.400 to describe. And obviously the pass rush upside that becomes gravy, 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:51.160 Like if he can do any of those things and 1:18:51.240 --> 1:18:55.080 that becomes great, I think. But at the bottom line 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:58.040 is is that he can be that strong side edge player, 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:02.200 and whether it's in a in a tilt, whether it's 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:04.400 like a four to three, whether it's you know, they 1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:06.760 play that that role at three four where they have 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:09.560 the stand up linebacker kind of as the fourth defensive 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:12.280 end on the field. Like, however, they can figure it 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:15.160 from an alignment standpoint, I don't think it's really that 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:18.160 to me is semantics, Like they'll figure that piece of 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:18.840 it out and. 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:20.799 They'll probably do a little bit of all ultimately. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.360 Yeah, but I really think that that's sort of the 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:25.599 bottom line of where they're going with this defense. And 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:27.840 I gotta tell you, like that gets me a little 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:30.519 bit hot in bottle. So that's one of that thing 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:31.400 real potential. 1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:33.960 That's one other thing i'd add. And yeah, I like 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:36.000 the way you kind of mapped it out there, And yeah, 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:38.280 I think key On White takes Anthony Jennings and or 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:41.000 Cheloni to buy off the field. Yeah, this defense is 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:44.680 going to be complex. This is not going to be 1:19:44.760 --> 1:19:47.640 a simple never was going to be you know, all 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:52.080 right man cover two, Cover three, you know, buzz, there 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:54.360 is going to be layers to this, and we saw 1:19:54.400 --> 1:19:56.680 them do it late last year. Kind of get to 1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:58.439 some of that. Remember we were talking about how they 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:01.320 were kind of Joe burrowt some trouble with it, Josh 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:03.880 Allen had some trouble with it. It feels like they 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:07.320 saw that and said, all right, how can we add 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:08.760 even more layers to this? 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.479 Yeah, So I think the most important thing is that 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:15.600 you got the key on white piece of it is 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:19.160 important because you're you're gonna have to stop the run 1:20:19.200 --> 1:20:22.600 with five guys. Yeah, because Mapu will help if he 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:25.600 if he hits a ceiling, like, he'll definitely help. But 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:30.720 he's he's he's a downhill trigger type player, right, so 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:33.679 if he sees it and he can fire downhill into 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:35.519 the gap and blow the guy up on the way 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:37.599 to the ball, he can do those types of things, 1:20:37.640 --> 1:20:41.680 but he's gonna get engulfed, like, you have to keep 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:47.120 him clean and so kean White, Christian Barmore, probably Godshaw, 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:51.040 probably Dietrich Wise rotating in as well. Those guys are 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:53.400 gonna have to do their their jobs of keeping of 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:55.800 keeping things clean up front like that, those guys gonna 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:57.800 have to take on blocks. They're gonna have to eat 1:20:57.840 --> 1:21:00.719 up blockers, they're gonna have to occupy, and they're gonna 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:04.800 have to let the safeties and Mapu just run right. 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:09.640 And that to me is is that's the roadmap to 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:13.040 beat Josh Allen. And I think that more than anything 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:15.840 we talked about Patrick Mahomes, I mentioned Jalen Hurts. Just 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:19.439 because the Eagles are on the schedule, the Patriots had 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:22.479 to have gone into this draft thinking, if we don't 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:27.280 compete better against Buffalo, then we're screwed. We're screwed. We're 1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:30.639 not gonna win the division. So they got their number 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:33.760 one corner. They they got the missing pieces, I think, 1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:37.799 to the front seven. And now they have on paper, 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:41.040 if the philosophical change and all that argument that we 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.479 were talking, if they're willing to do all that, then 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:48.240 they have on paper a way to better defend Josh Allen. 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:51.479 And ultimately that's the name of the game right. 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:53.200 Now, not just shush that just the mobile quarterbacks. You 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:55.600 don't have to make it about him, the mobile, make 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:57.840 it about made anybody. I made it about him, just 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.160 and I tried to to as long as I could 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:04.320 ignore that it's it is about him, No, it's about 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.040 the kinds of quarterbacks that are coming into this league. Yes, 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:08.040 it's not just him. 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:11.360 But he's in your division. They're not doing this is 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:13.759 Aaron Rodgers. They're not doing this for Aaron Rodgers. 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:16.040 Aaron Rodgers runs around a lot, not in the same way, 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:16.519 but he does. 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:18.400 I think they you know, they look at those games. 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:21.120 You know, obviously the first one against Buffalo. They let's 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:23.160 face it, they got blowed out in that game, but 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:25.479 that was a lot of that was because the offense. 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:28.160 That was sort of the tipping point and the boiling 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:31.759 over point for the offense. But even the game in Buffalo, 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:36.559 and I don't totally disagree, but even the game in Buffalo, 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:38.519 I'm sorry, a lot of people make that out like, oh, 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:42.040 nahem Heines doesn't return those if Deem Heins doesn't return 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:44.160 those kicks, and Josh Allen has two more possessions and 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:46.160 who knows what he does with them? Right Like he 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:48.080 could go mar March right down the field and score 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:50.320 both times too. And the bottom line is in the 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:54.040 second half, they couldn't stop him. They couldn't stop him. 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:56.640 So a lot of this stuff I think is is 1:22:56.680 --> 1:23:01.080 really exciting, and you know the piece of it. I 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:03.880 would just say not to not to scapegoat them or 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:05.320 not to you know, let them off the hook, I 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:06.920 guess is a better way to put it. Not to 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:08.920 let them off the hook for not going after more 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:12.840 skilled players in this draft. But I do recognize that 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.640 maybe they couldn't do it all in this draft, and 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:18.240 now they kind of have the defense figured out and 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:20.439 maybe twenty twenty four is the year that they worry 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:24.240 about the offense. I do think that that recognizes as well, 1:23:24.960 --> 1:23:27.800 Let's see how Mac rebounds and let's see what what 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:30.880 Bill Brian does with him, and then maybe invest more 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:32.360 in the offense. So there you go. We just mapped 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:33.000 out the defense. 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:34.880 Yep, I special teams. 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:37.519 We'd have to do specialties. We also have some calls 1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:41.040 callscreen light lit up after we got down this this 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:44.639 rabbit hole of of these defense. So let's let's take 1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:46.479 these calls real quick and then I'll let you go 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:49.679 off about a specialists. All right, all right, Raj? Thanks? 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:51.880 Oh yeah, he was on hold for like forty minutes. 1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:57.479 That's our fault. What's up? Noah? How you doing they good. 1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:01.760 I was wondering if you guys would consider doing your 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:05.160 own redraft where you kind of take the picks that 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:08.200 they had and say who you would pick at those picks, 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:10.599 and then I of them, maybe like a year from now, 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:14.040 revisit and see how you guys did compared to Bill. 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:16.439 I don't know if that's something you're allowed to do 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:18.559 or not, but just how to throw. 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:18.840 It out there. 1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:21.720 Yeah, that would be fun. Thanks Noah for the call. 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:24.960 I guess now that we have the hindsight of knowing 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:27.639 how everybody comes off the board on the board who 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.200 is on the board, is have like a mock draft 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:31.120 where we're just kind of guessing who was on the board. 1:24:31.360 --> 1:24:33.639 That might be a fun, like once it really dies 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:36.120 down here, a little bit off season thing, but the 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:39.600 next couple of weeks we got media availabilities. Ota is 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:42.040 coming up. But yeah, I like the idea we could 1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:44.960 we could maybe try to do something like that. All right, Todd, 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:45.400 what's up? 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:49.000 Hey, Mike? Is a little bit where he went over 1:24:49.080 --> 1:24:52.240 each player group and kive whether it stayed the same, 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:55.080 got better or worse. I like you guys to do that. 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:56.559 And one of the things that shocked me was he 1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:58.639 kind of thought that the running back group got worse. 1:24:58.640 --> 1:24:59.639 And I really. 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:02.160 Don't see much change in the running back We still 1:25:02.160 --> 1:25:04.760 have Romandre and our guy that was supposed to be 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:06.840 our third down receiving guy is gonna come off of 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:09.439 the injury list that we got him there too. So anyway, 1:25:09.479 --> 1:25:10.800 I think that would be an interesting thing to do, 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:12.679 just go over the groups like he did and say 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:14.280 whether it's the same, better or worse. 1:25:14.520 --> 1:25:16.800 Thanks guys, Thanks tod. 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:18.479 Yeah, I'll do that real quick. 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:20.880 I like that. Maybe do that next week next week? 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:22.800 All right, we save that for next week because we're 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:25.320 running out of time and that we know we're gonna 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:27.840 take two hours to do that, so let's do that 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:30.840 next week. I love that idea. And now we're starting 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:33.080 to get into like some of the real offseason shows, 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:36.000 so begin to have something like that to do. Give 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:37.240 me your takes on the specialists. 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:40.400 So I think they did well in terms of trading 1:25:40.439 --> 1:25:43.120 up for Chad Ryland and taking where they did. Yeah, 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:46.719 they played the game. The Niners took Jake Moody ninety nine. Yeah, 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:49.439 kickers are going. It's like in your fantasy football draft, right, 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:51.759 nobody want to take a defense high, but one person's 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:54.400 going to and then everybody has to start taking defenses 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:57.639 because they're going. So I don't think they took Chad 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:01.120 Ryland too high. Love his background, five year starter, four 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:04.120 years at Eastern Michigan, you Splinty Michigan. The conditions are 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:08.040 not ideal for kicking. Not great at Maryland either. You know, 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:10.519 he doesn't have the biggest leg in the draft. And look, 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:12.519 I think they probably would have liked Dev Moody. He 1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:16.040 might have gone higher than they expected. But the thing 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:19.360 about Ryland, he's really good from forty nine and in. 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:22.160 He's one of these guys. When I say the intermediate, 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:24.800 I don't mean he's bad in the short game, but 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:27.760 nobody really care. Like, yeah, of course he's good from 1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:31.240 nineteen to thirty yards. Everybody's good from nineteen to thirty yards. 1:26:31.439 --> 1:26:32.200 He's a guy that. 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:35.680 He's not gonna say it. Another kicker they drafted was 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:37.360 not good anyware fair. 1:26:38.040 --> 1:26:41.080 Look, he's maybe not as good from fifty plus as 1:26:41.080 --> 1:26:43.559 some other kickers in this draft, but his like thirty 1:26:43.560 --> 1:26:47.040 to forty nine is impeccable. And for people who want 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:49.080 them to be more aggressive on offense, that might be 1:26:49.120 --> 1:26:52.040 a sign that they're not as worried about kicking fifty 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:54.120 yard field goals because they're gonna go for it in 1:26:54.120 --> 1:26:57.840 those situations, right, I hope. So I like that pick 1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:02.479 Bryce Berenger. I thought they would like I like I 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:05.120 thought they would like Corsic. There were three good punters 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:06.840 in this draft. They end up with the consensus all 1:27:06.920 --> 1:27:10.280 American and Bearrenger, big leg. He's one of these super 1:27:10.320 --> 1:27:13.040 mathy kickers where like he goes into the launch angle 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:17.439 and the exit veilosophy of velocity. Yeah, and the the 1:27:17.600 --> 1:27:18.880 rotations per minute. 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:19.920 And things like that. 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:21.720 Well, Jake Bailey did that. 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:26.280 My guess is that he won't go into that type 1:27:26.280 --> 1:27:27.160 of stuff with the media. 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:29.240 So no, no, well, I don't think I'm gonna try. 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:30.160 I'm gonna ask about it. 1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:32.559 I don't know how public that's really gonna get, but yeah, 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:32.920 go ahead. 1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:35.479 Look, I think he's he's a good player. He's got 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:38.920 a big leg too. They like punters like that, and 1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:43.080 then even going down to a mere speed might be 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:46.320 able to play some corner in the NFL. He transferred 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:49.240 from Georgia, and I don't fault guys for not getting 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.080 on the field at Georgia because it's Georgia Yea had 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:55.800 a decent year Michigan State last year. But he's like 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:58.559 a He's gonna be an excellent special teams coverage guy. 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:02.280 Isaiah Bolden, He's listed a corner if he's gonna play 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:04.720 on defense. Actually think he might be a safety. But 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:07.280 is another guy that's going to be a standout checks 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:09.360 all the box on special teams some of the other 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:11.160 guys they drafted. I don't I know, you don't want 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:14.360 to hear this. Marte Maphu. Look, whatever they end up 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:16.479 having him do on defense, he's gonna play special teams 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:18.000 and he's going to be very good at. 1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:22.960 So Marii Mapu. If he doesn't pan out on defense 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:25.160 at the very least, will be a great so. 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:27.519 My floor for him, and this is the absolute floor. 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:31.040 This is the worst case scenario. Is Nate Ebner. Yeah, 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:34.280 Nate Ebner was an amazing special teams I know nobody 1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:35.760 wants him to be that guy. But you get what 1:28:35.760 --> 1:28:36.160 I'm saying. 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:37.840 You're lucky that the other people aren't in this room 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:38.080 right now. 1:28:38.120 --> 1:28:38.760 They would have lost. 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.360 I know that's what I mean. I want to put 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:43.600 words in his mouth, But Paul thinks he's basically going 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:44.360 to be a special team. 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:47.920 You get my point, Thoughe, but look, they they revamped 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:51.960 the special teams unit, which needed to be revamped. So 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:55.439 to that extent, I think they did. They did well. 1:28:55.680 --> 1:28:56.960 Do we have to wrap it up right now because 1:28:56.960 --> 1:28:58.320 the two thoughts on the UDF phase. 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.360 Uh No, But I have one question for you. Uh 1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:06.920 does Ryland And I know you s yeah, but I 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:09.000 know you said the fifty. I think the biggest thing 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.800 with ry with with Folk last year. Yeah, like he 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:13.720 just at the end of the season, his theleg was 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:17.160 just dead, right, Like does Ryland? Is Ryland more of 1:29:17.160 --> 1:29:19.400 a weapon? Like I'm not saying he's justin Tucker, but like, 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:22.559 is he is he more of that? Like you know, 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:24.679 once he crossed the fifty, like, you have a pretty 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:28.400 good chance of kicking this ball through, especially in the weather, right, 1:29:28.479 --> 1:29:30.120 I think that's you know, we know he kicked at 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:32.439 Maryland and was I think he was at Eastern. 1:29:32.240 --> 1:29:34.120 Michigan, Michigan for four years. 1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:36.360 Yeah, so he's kicking the weather. I'm not worried about that. 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:38.960 But more what I'm worried about is range and and 1:29:39.120 --> 1:29:42.080 just does he have that ability to be a weapon 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:44.280 where you know, three seconds left in the game and 1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:46.240 you got as far as you could. But here, you know, 1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:48.360 you're trying to line up for the field goal. It's 1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:50.800 fifty four or fifty three yards out? Like is he 1:29:50.880 --> 1:29:52.439 that type of guy? 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:54.880 So he has and I'm trying to add up the 1:29:54.920 --> 1:30:01.080 total total number here, Uh he hang on twenty six 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:03.679 thirty six or seven three three, nine four nine, fifty 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:09.639 nine fifty two two six is forty six forty five? 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:13.120 All right, so he has fortieth on your home Yes. 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:15.200 I know he has forty one attempts from forty nine 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:16.920 yards and then in the last three years, forty nine 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:19.280 attempts he hit forty seven of them. 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:20.639 Yeah, so he's money. 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:23.599 So he's that's it. Like he's not. But if it's 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:26.000 a thing where like do we try the fifty three 1:30:26.080 --> 1:30:28.000 yard field goal or do we try to run one 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:31.160 more play you might lean towards running one more playoff 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:32.920 Like he doesn't have the biggest like, but when you 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:36.040 get in his range, you're gonna feel pretty good about it. 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.519 Like you're not what once you're within range, you're not 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:40.439 gonna sweat it. Like there's some guys in the draft 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:44.920 so and other people kicker people liked was Jack Pizlusny 1:30:45.040 --> 1:30:48.160 from Georgia. In this class, Jack Plusney can hit a 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:51.160 fifty five to fifty six yard field goal, but you 1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:52.920 not all the time, but like he can. 1:30:52.800 --> 1:30:54.000 Do it, he's inconsistent. 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:57.479 But right forty five is gonna feel like fifty five. 1:30:57.479 --> 1:30:59.559 They feel kind of the same. You're gonna feel really 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:02.160 good about Chad rolland from forty five. You're not gonna 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:05.120 feel great at fifty five. But again, I don't think 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:07.439 they care. I think they're more interested in, well, let's 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:10.840 get in his range. Then that's basically what they've been 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:13.679 with Nick fo exactly exactly. It's the same philosophy behind 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:14.120 Nick Fole. 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:17.240 Yeah, so just one last thing. These two guys were 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:19.640 at the Senior Bowl together. Yes, and there are some 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:26.880 pictures out there of Barringer holding for Ryland I. One 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:29.439 of the things that I didn't really recognize until I 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:33.200 started covering the team. It's it's kind of interesting in 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:35.439 a way, and this is like really niche So I 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:37.639 don't think this is more of the U story, if anything, 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:41.120 but those three guys the snapper, the holder, and the kicker, 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:43.519 and that they end up being the long snapper, the punter, 1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:46.760 and the kicker. Obviously, those three guys are like the 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:51.839 three amigos during the football season, Joe Cardona, Jake Bailey 1:31:52.080 --> 1:31:54.919 and Folk. Let's just say on the whole writer polarity. 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:57.400 When those guys are like glued at the hip, Yeah, 1:31:57.400 --> 1:31:59.920 they go, They're like a little three musketeer. They go 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:03.280 team within the team, they go everywhere together. Yeah, and 1:32:03.320 --> 1:32:04.519 so I think that that's gonna go. 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:06.960 When I covered college football, there was a joke that 1:32:07.000 --> 1:32:08.960 when the punter and long snapper went out for punts, 1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:10.400 the kicker got lonely. 1:32:10.479 --> 1:32:10.719 Yeah. 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:13.960 Yeah, well, I guess here they have Matthew Matthew Slater's 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:17.000 kind of an area call keep Ryland company. 1:32:17.040 --> 1:32:19.040 But that's gonna be the interesting thing I think is 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:23.000 that whole for the most part, that that whole operation 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:26.040 has been pretty clean. Yeah, and it'll be interesting to 1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:30.559 see now that it changes pretty dramatically. It's two thirds, 1:32:30.640 --> 1:32:33.280 yeah that you know how that all goes. And plus 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:35.599 if it's two rookies, right, you know how that all goes. 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:35.800 Well. 1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:37.519 The fact they've worked even if it's a little bit, 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:39.760 and they it sounded like they worked together a little 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:41.920 bit before the Senior Bowl as well. The kicking camps 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:44.600 and stuff. Yeah, there's value in that, and and I 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:46.479 don't know that there's like long term value in that. 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:49.200 But you mentioned the last kicker they drafted. He had 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:51.920 an adjustment period, and that could have been any number 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:54.040 of things. But a lot of the times for young kickers, 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:56.360 you know, you got to you got to tell the 1:32:56.360 --> 1:32:58.680 holder exactly how you want the ball. And by the way, 1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:01.040 it's not I want the ball like this, it's on 1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:03.000 this hash from this yardage. I want it like this, 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:05.599 on this hash from this yardage like this. When it's windy, 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:07.639 I want it like that. And then that turns into 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:10.120 the holder then goes to the long snapper and says, 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:12.479 all right, in this situation, put the ball here. In 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:14.920 this situation, put the ball here, Snap it harder here, 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:15.960 snap it softer there. 1:33:16.360 --> 1:33:19.479 So that's my guy. Joe Houston, Patriots assistant special team 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:21.200 right coach tends to do a lot of that. 1:33:21.360 --> 1:33:25.360 So when you have two guys that already know, right, 1:33:25.760 --> 1:33:28.599 Bryce Berenger knows Chad Ryland wants the ball like this, 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:31.439 like this, like this, that's a whole that's like they'll 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:33.639 spend a week on that. That's probably this week it's 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:36.720 the first week on the field. That's like a whole week. 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:38.720 It's a whole big thing you just don't have to 1:33:38.720 --> 1:33:40.960 really do now. Joe Cardona still got to get on 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:43.120 the same page with both of them, because it's the 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:45.360 same for punters, Like, all right, if we're on this hash, 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:46.800 I want to hear if we're trying to do this kick, 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:50.160 I want to hear. But that you talk about hitting 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:52.320 the ground rolling, making easy for a rookie. Yeah, I 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:53.679 think that makes it really easy. 1:33:54.000 --> 1:33:56.519 Marian, did you expect to do ten minutes on the Kickers? 1:33:56.520 --> 1:33:59.880 He's totally tuned out. I love it absolutely, Kickers, I 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:04.400 absolutely love it. All right, uh Udfa's you have one 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:07.040 minute because I'm gonna kick us out if we if 1:34:07.040 --> 1:34:10.920 we don't rap soon, so, uh Malie Cunningham, I think 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:13.439 is maybe we talk about him a little bit more 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:15.080 in the next couple of weeks, once we get out 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:19.160 there and see these guys in OTAs. But there's something 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:21.679 there in terms of the athletic ability and the ball 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:24.320 carrying skill. I don't know how they use it. I 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:26.040 don't know if they use it. I don't know if 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:28.400 it matters at all. I don't know if he's Jamar 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:30.400 Smith or he's a real player, right, Like I I 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:33.639 don't know, but the one thing I can say about 1:34:33.720 --> 1:34:36.080 Malie Cunningham is that it would be nice to have 1:34:36.160 --> 1:34:38.360 him around as a scout team quarterback. Like that's like 1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:42.000 the bottom base line is that when they play the 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:45.560 quarter Jalen Hurts right when the Eagles are on the schedule. 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:46.960 This is the guy you want. Marte Mapu chasing and 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:48.680 proc yes so. 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:51.040 And hopefully running right through him. No, just kidding, don't 1:34:51.120 --> 1:34:51.759 hit the quarterback. 1:34:51.800 --> 1:34:55.360 I look Cunningham. First of all, they didn't get Lamar Jackson, 1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:57.280 but they did get the guy that replaced him at Louisville. 1:34:57.439 --> 1:34:59.960 That's how long Elie Cunningham has been there. Experienced guy. Yeah, 1:35:00.520 --> 1:35:02.800 he's different when he has the ball in his hands. Yeah, 1:35:02.800 --> 1:35:04.400 he's one of these guys that just kind of like 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:07.439 to Mario Douglas from Marcus Jones, he look different. The 1:35:07.560 --> 1:35:10.280 report from NFL dot Com that he's open to changing 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:13.720 positions is fascinating to me because I've never seen the 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:16.320 guy run around. I've never seen the guy runner out. 1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:19.160 I don't know, but like I just I want the 1:35:19.200 --> 1:35:20.680 ball in his hands. I want the ball in his 1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:21.240 hands out of it. 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:24.800 I understand and that you and all of like dark 1:35:24.960 --> 1:35:27.880 Patriots Twitter, like the deep Patriots Twitter people, I feel 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:31.519 in the same way. I just I would like the 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:37.080 Patriots as as a team offensively to have receivers receive, 1:35:37.240 --> 1:35:39.880 and running backs run and tight ends catch and block. 1:35:40.000 --> 1:35:42.080 Like okay, oh my god, Like let's just use people 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:44.040 where they're supposed to play, because we have good enough 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:47.040 people that we don't need to make Malie Cunningham a thing. 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:49.680 Well, okay, like, how long was Edelman's development? It's like 1:35:49.680 --> 1:35:52.519 three years? Yeah, right, Maybe it's not this year, but 1:35:53.080 --> 1:35:55.599 he's gonna stick around. Maybe it's just a scout team quarterback. 1:35:55.640 --> 1:35:56.160 Maybe it's just. 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:58.240 Something like the squad scout team quarterback and if they 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:00.000 want to work out on the off on the side 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:03.840 on receiving drills and stuff like that. 1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:07.559 But I'll say is he's a very experienced guy. He's 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:11.160 a highly intelligent guy. Yeah, he's different as a ball carrier. 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:13.840 They did, let's not forget, they did try to do 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:17.000 this last year. They signed to Eric King as u 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:20.720 DFA who had played both his quarterback and receiver. He 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:22.400 is better than Derek k Well, Derek King never got 1:36:22.479 --> 1:36:24.559 hurt and like didn't make it to the spring. I 1:36:24.600 --> 1:36:27.880 think they're they're gonna try him at something now. He 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:32.640 did also play No, no, no, I want you to 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:35.920 take that back right now. Don't get that's so insulting 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:39.840 to Malie Cunningham. He is another Can we just have 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:43.760 Danny is closer to me athletically that he is Timnner. 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:48.280 You just have a team for once offensively, where putting 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:51.760 Marcus Jones on offense isn't like the greatest thing. We 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:52.760 just have guys that are just. 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:55.360 Build it around him. I'm not saying build it around him. 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:57.160 I'm just saying it's a thing. By the way, he 1:36:57.200 --> 1:36:59.720 played defensive back at a high level in high school too, 1:37:00.280 --> 1:37:01.200 So I. 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:03.800 Don't know what so now So now he's Julianetel. 1:37:03.320 --> 1:37:05.840 No, he's no. I'm just saying they can put him. 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:07.680 I think we're gonna see him A bunch of we 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:09.200 might not see it. Might be what they're doing. They 1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:12.519 were in the close practices. Yeah, quarterback, running back, receiver, 1:37:12.640 --> 1:37:15.920 defensive back, special teams. Like, my god, they're gonna try 1:37:15.960 --> 1:37:18.960 him everywhere because he's such a good athlete. He's so smart. 1:37:19.200 --> 1:37:19.720 I hear you. 1:37:19.800 --> 1:37:20.160 Why not. 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:22.439 I don't. There is no reason to why not. I 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:23.639 keep on going. 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:25.799 You just hate fun and you don't want to talk about. 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:27.840 Keep on going. Back to the same point of like, 1:37:28.840 --> 1:37:31.360 the Patriots need to get to a point where we're 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:32.839 not counting on Malie. 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:35.720 I don't think they're casually being something, but I'm not 1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:36.720 saying counting. 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:39.599 They are not. Internally I doubt they are. I'm talking 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:41.400 about and I'm sorry. I don't need to pick on 1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:43.400 the fans, but I'm talking like this is like Jeff 1:37:43.439 --> 1:37:44.160 Thomas to me. 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:46.240 Right, Like it's like Jeff Thomas. 1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:48.599 No, No, Kashan but is better than Jeff Thomas. 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:49.479 I know it's closer. 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.519 No, I'm just like Kyshean. But is Malcolm Mitchell here? 1:37:52.680 --> 1:37:54.719 Listen, you don't need to get don't get your hopes 1:37:54.720 --> 1:37:56.720 of from Alie Cunningham, who knows what it becomes. But 1:37:57.439 --> 1:37:58.639 it's a really good signing. 1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:00.640 You're not gonna have to worry about me, I know. 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:03.479 So you get a he's gonna win a Super Bowl MVP, 1:38:03.560 --> 1:38:05.160 and you're gonna be sitting here saying I can't believe 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:07.360 we had to spend that off season talking about him. 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.080 Just again. Jalen had some. 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.519 He's just a really smart, really athletic guy. The more 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:14.160 of those guys you have around the building, the better. 1:38:14.360 --> 1:38:16.600 That being said, I do think they're gonna extend the 1:38:16.640 --> 1:38:19.040 udf A streak this year. I don't think it's gonna 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:20.240 be him, because, like you said, I think he's a 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:22.639 practice squad guy. Yeah, I think it's gonna be Johnny Lumpkin, 1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:26.040 the tight end. Yeah, six six, two sixty six athletic guy. 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:29.240 Not really, I thought he was athletic. Has he has 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:32.200 like fourteen career catches in three years. Yeah, doesn't mean alright, 1:38:32.360 --> 1:38:34.280 he's a he's a really good block he's big. Yeah, 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:37.120 he's big. Now, I think they might like Scotty Washington. Yeah, 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:39.040 that's gonna be the battle for the third tight end. 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:44.040 But the battle Scotty Washington versus Camp Johnny Lumpkin. And again, 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:46.880 I'm sorry, but like that sounds like a name that 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:50.000 Bill makes up when he's like Johnny from Foxborough High 1:38:50.120 --> 1:38:52.760 can make this play. Sounds like the name Felger and 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:55.479 Mass makeup. Yeah, or they got Johnny Lumpkin out there 1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:58.040 playing tight end. But no, he's a big guy. He's 1:38:58.040 --> 1:38:59.679 a blocker. 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:02.200 You remember guy named Michael Williams. 1:39:02.560 --> 1:39:04.080 Yeah, I remember Michael Williams. 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:06.640 That's the cop to me. Mike always played tackle in 1:39:06.760 --> 1:39:09.800 Alabama's a tackle. I think Johnny Lumpket. They're gonna have 1:39:09.880 --> 1:39:11.800 him put on fifteen twenty pounds of muscle. They're gonna 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:13.679 get him up to like two seventy two seventy five. 1:39:14.040 --> 1:39:16.799 He's gonna be the blocking half of Darnell Washington basically. 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:20.840 Okay, look, if that's what he is, then they could 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:21.599 use that player. 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:24.280 He's gonna catch like ten passes his whole career. Remember, 1:39:24.400 --> 1:39:26.840 and look, they didn't use this player, right, But remember 1:39:26.840 --> 1:39:27.599 with Dwayne Allen. 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:30.000 I've never on video for this episode because like the 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:32.479 two of us are just laughing through this right now. 1:39:32.720 --> 1:39:35.120 Remember what Dwayne Allen was here, and I think they 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:36.920 mis used Dwayne all But they threw him like ten 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:38.200 passes the whole two years time. 1:39:38.880 --> 1:39:41.360 Just he'd be wide opening the flat and Brady just 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:42.720 wouldn't even look at him. 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:44.800 He's like, I'm gonna why, I'm gonna throw the ball 1:39:44.840 --> 1:39:46.880 to that guard? What do you want me to do? 1:39:47.160 --> 1:39:49.960 But you know, for what he was, he's actually bigger 1:39:49.960 --> 1:39:51.240 than I remember, six four to two sixty. 1:39:51.320 --> 1:39:53.760 Yeah, he was. He was like the block he got in. 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:57.880 Two years here in uh twenty nine games, he was 1:39:57.920 --> 1:40:00.880 targeted twenty six times. Oh my god, that's just that's 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:02.840 what Johnny Lumpkin is gonna be. Johnny love, but I 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:04.880 actually like his chances to make the team. 1:40:04.920 --> 1:40:06.920 I do, all right, So there you have it that 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:10.519 we went Johnny Lumpkin deep in this podcast. So that's 1:40:10.560 --> 1:40:13.400 how you know what you've been listening to Catch twenty two. 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:15.920 Alex and I will be back next week. We're gonna 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:18.360 do I love that idea from Todd to North Carolina. 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:21.160 So we're gonna go through the whole roster, position by position, 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:23.519 what got better, what got worse, Maybe talk about some 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:26.720 of the fifty three man projections and roster battles that 1:40:26.760 --> 1:40:30.160 we're looking forward to, and not before long. I don't 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:33.280 think we have an exact date yet of when media 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:35.320 availability start. 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:37.360 We don't know which ones we're gonna get. 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:41.200 Yeah, but we usually get like what three or four late, 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:43.760 So we'll have plenty of content coming here on Patriots 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:46.200 Catch twenty two. So keep it right here next Thursday, 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:49.639 same time, same place. 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