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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. Delay the hurt,

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Speaker 1: delay the hurt.

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Speaker 2: But you can delay the hurt, delay the hurt, delay

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Speaker 2: the hurt. We did delay the hurt last week. That

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Speaker 2: was Alex. That was probably the happiest that I've been

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Speaker 2: after a Patriots draft in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Same.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, I really liked the twenty one draft too, because

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Speaker 2: you get the new quarterback. We all, I think, really

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Speaker 2: liked Christian Barmore in that pick. But in terms of

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Speaker 2: just I don't even know if it was happiness. It

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Speaker 2: was more, honestly, of quite frankly, relief that they got

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Speaker 2: a player in the first round that we all could

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Speaker 2: get behind. Right, it was a consent player as a

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Speaker 2: player we had talked about at nauseum in the in

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Speaker 2: the pre draft process. And I sent you that thing

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Speaker 2: from Holmes the Lions GM, Brad Holmes, right, Brian Holmes,

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Speaker 2: Brad Holmes, and he mentioned just the the whole mock

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Speaker 2: draft culture, right, and how we are pre determined to

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Speaker 2: have an opinion on these picks where when the organization

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Speaker 2: doesn't make the pick that we predicted or expected them

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Speaker 2: to make, we are already going to be negative about it. Right,

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Speaker 2: Our brain just automatically switches on to negativity because that

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Speaker 2: wasn't we didn't have him in a mock draft. We

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Speaker 2: didn't have him on our big board, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And I think there's totally something to that, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And I think I find myself doing that on draft

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Speaker 2: weekend too, And that's why I like doing the show.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days afterwards here on a Thursday, a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks later, it's Evan Lazar Alex Barth twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I always do that. I always just go like right

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Speaker 2: into it. And at this point, and don't you know,

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Speaker 2: tell people who we are, what the show's called, and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be with you here for the next hour

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Speaker 2: and fifteen hour and thirty. We're gonna try to be efficient.

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Speaker 2: After I go on this rant right here at the top,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna try to be efficient and go pick by

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Speaker 2: pick here in a little bit. But the main thing

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Speaker 2: is is that I always get to a point and

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Speaker 2: maybe it's cope babe, it's me talking myself into into

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Speaker 2: the draft, to my my Homer inside me on the

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Speaker 2: Patriots side of things. But I always get to the

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Speaker 2: point where, whether or not I love every pick, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: okay with the draft, right, I'm okay with it. Last

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Speaker 2: year took a little bit longer than than most years,

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Speaker 2: but you know, this year, I feel like I'm at

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Speaker 2: that point where let's turn the page. Let's get these

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Speaker 2: I don't think that any of it I can be

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Speaker 2: or a B right. They passed, they passed the test.

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Speaker 2: I've sold myself completely on Marty map who I now

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Speaker 2: So that those are the things you have to weigh.

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Speaker 2: So why are we drafting Josh Downs in the third

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Speaker 2: sixth I don't always subscribe to that theory. I think

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Speaker 2: But athletically, from a size, speed, skill standpoint.

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Speaker 2: It's not that different. So that's where I'm out with

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Speaker 2: on a lot of things. The one thing I can't

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Speaker 2: let go. Yeah, the one thing is tackle.

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Speaker 1: I just I did take a tackle.

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 1: They did.

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Speaker 2: They did not take a tackle. They did not let

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Speaker 1: Matt grow told us that two three weeks and we.

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Speaker 2: Believed him because it was it seems sincere at the time,

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. You just said that

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Speaker 1: Was there really really a Day one starter at tackle

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Speaker 2: He debunked that on Twitter. He was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: It seemed weird. It seemed very weird. He did get

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Speaker 2: To see the highlights that they showed on ESPN during

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Speaker 1: That was the whole thing. Always too big, he can't

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Speaker 2: they've made that trade up several times five years, five

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Speaker 1: As a buyer's market, it was a beneficial market for

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Speaker 2: So the one guy that you look at and that

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Speaker 2: situation is obviously Matthew Bergeron from Syracuse, who went thirty eighth,

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Speaker 2: so exactly where the bar More trade literally exactly. So

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Speaker 2: maybe you know who was it an Atlanta really loved

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Speaker 2: Matthew Bergeron and you would have to jump Atlanta. Right,

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Speaker 2: So now you're talking about giving up even more capital,

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Speaker 2: maybe even the third seventy six to move higher than Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: But that was the one I guess. Anton Harrison went

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Speaker 2: first round. I think that's a little bit too high.

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Speaker 2: I think you're giving up a lot to get up

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Speaker 2: an interesting conversation. I think why didn't a trade up

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Speaker 2: in the second round materialize?

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Speaker 1: Did they think Bergeron was worth it? A lot of

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Speaker 1: teams viewed Bergeron coming in as a guard, right, and

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Speaker 1: what you want the moving up for a guard, Like,

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Speaker 1: maybe they didn't think he was a tackle, but.

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Speaker 2: They think cities, how is a tackle? I'm just playing? Well, no,

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Speaker 2: the size of this that's all.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe they're more comfortable. So if they're if it's

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Speaker 1: a comparable thing, right, this guy's probably a guard, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try and to tackle. Wouldn't you rather draft

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Speaker 1: that player with your third pick in the fourth round

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Speaker 2: It's fair, right, yep.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Tucker Craft I think went two picks after seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what was up with that? Because we had

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Speaker 2: Heard about the connection with Bill O'Brien and that Alabama

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Speaker 2: Obviously they I don't think they're gonna tell us right

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Speaker 2: of people asking about Dwan Jones. I'm sure you have.

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Speaker 1: To Darnad Washington.

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Speaker 2: No, I just moving back to tackles. Yeah, because that

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Speaker 2: Sometimes when people are that big, it scares teams off.

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Speaker 2: Does he have the diet right, does he have the discipline?

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Speaker 2: get concerned, can this guy? Can he play sixty five snaps?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: You know? Is he playing fifteen at full tilt? And

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Speaker 1: Except look, he did it at Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I agree with it, so I can

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Speaker 1: What I think it is. And it's kind of to

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Speaker 2: Was it trend Brown?

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Speaker 1: No, it was Tarik Wollan because I think there's an

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Speaker 1: and short of you know, a historic rookie season from Sauce,

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Speaker 1: It was an overthing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying he should have gone in

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Speaker 2: you know, the teams just they don't like it. They

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Speaker 1: They because I think they overthink it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they worry about the motor. They

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Speaker 2: a tempo where he's moving, he's past blocking on an

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Speaker 2: a lot. All right, let's take some of these calls

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's definitely a football call.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to get both of your guys opinions

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Speaker 5: Mario Douglas makes the fifty three man roster. I honestly

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Speaker 5: don't like I'm intrigued by Boute, but I don't think

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Speaker 5: he's probably gonna make the roster, you know, barring them

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Speaker 5: trading away one of their receivers from last year that's

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Speaker 5: still on the roster. But to me, Douglas, the way

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Speaker 5: the way you guys talked him up during the Shrine

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Speaker 5: Bowl week, like, to me, he's he intrigued me a

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Speaker 2: Does Yeah, Patty, thanks for the call. As always, I

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Speaker 2: think that that's really fair to look at where de

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Speaker 2: Mario Douglas is right this second, compared to Kishan Bute

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Speaker 2: is more intriguing. He's healthier, he's been better more recently

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Speaker 2: than Booty. Is it Booty or b I want to

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Speaker 2: say Bote. I don't want to call the guy booty. Uh,

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Speaker 2: he's been better recently last year literally last year, right right.

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Speaker 2: Butte is a complete project projection that he's going to

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Speaker 2: sixteen games at LSU before the injury. Douglas doesn't have

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Speaker 2: that kind of concern. He's just coming from liberty and

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Speaker 2: he's smaller.

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Speaker 1: And he only has one year of college production.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm oh, yeah, well one year of like

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't he forget he missed games or something like. No,

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Speaker 1: he just he was coming on right, right, he didn't

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Speaker 1: play as he was ran. That's what I'm saying. He's

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Speaker 1: one year of like being a starting receiver.

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Speaker 2: Right, but the tape that put him on the map

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Speaker 1: Oh yes. So what I would say though, and actually,

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Speaker 1: think what will help Douglas more than Bote is Ba's

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Speaker 1: gonna have DeVante Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster, and then either

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Speaker 1: Taekwon or Kendrick Bourne. That's your eleven, right. I don't think,

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Speaker 1: at least not initially, I don't think to Mario Douglas's

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Speaker 1: making the shift to offense full time. But you'd still

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Speaker 1: like to have that package available to you whenever you

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Speaker 1: want it because it's a good package. To Mario Douglas

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Speaker 1: he even said he's watched Marcus Jones. So that to

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Speaker 1: if there's a path to playing time, if there's a

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Speaker 1: because if you tell me you have a plan for

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Speaker 1: can be a very clear plan for Damario Douglas to

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Speaker 1: contribute in New England as a rookie. Although Kashan Butez

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Because they have four receivers, there's

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Speaker 2: seen some Matthew Slater doesn't count, right, So there's gonna

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Speaker 2: gonna be playing the most, it's Douglas.

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00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: You know.

438
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 2: Bute's role is very very similar to Juju. It's very

439
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 2: very similar to Kendrick Bourne. There.

440
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: He's kind of like somewhere right in between the tools, right.

441
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,360
Speaker 2: And so, yes, there is a world and I think

442
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 2: this is maybe the argument for Bote. There is a

443
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 2: world that we get out to trading camp in July

444
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 2: and Kaishon Bute looks like freshman year Kaishan Butte, and

445
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 2: he's just a star right there. There's certainly a world

446
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,679
Speaker 2: where that could happen. Maybe not a realistic one, but

447
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 2: because we care to dream on this program, it could

448
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: possibly happen. But the guy that has the most realistic

449
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 2: and easiest path to the roster is to Mario Douglas.

450
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,959
Speaker 2: And I was talking to Eric Galaco from the Shrine

451
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 2: Bowl for a profile on Douglas and that that is

452
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 2: exactly the comp that he made. He said, he's basically

453
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones if Marcus Jones was a full time offensive player, right,

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 2: and and that's exactly what the Patriots could do to

455
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: with him. So as much as I would love to

456
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: use my comp of Marcus Jones, but if he was

457
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: on offense, like Galco just brought up, I also think

458
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: of guys like maybe like a Nicole Hardman Rights as

459
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: a decent comp for him as well. I think Harbin's

460
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: more a faster guy in a straight line, right, like

461
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: Carbon's like a four to two guy, like he's he's

462
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: faster than Tomorrio Douglas. But I think Tomorrio Douglas might

463
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: actually be a little bit more of a polished route runner,

464
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: you know. I think one of the things that stood

465
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: out to me is the most about Douglas's film was

466
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 2: the double moves, the vertical double moves that he runs,

467
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: the post corners, the out and ups like things. It

468
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: looks like Zay Flowers like. It's really very very similar.

469
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: Obviously not a game, it's the same level of competition.

470
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: But that's another thing that Galco said about Douglas was

471
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: that Zay even recognized that Douglas was similar to him.

472
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: He said he that Zay was coming up to him

473
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: and being like, who's this kid from Liberty? Looks like

474
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: me out there right right, And so that element of it,

475
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: I think it definitely all the reasons why we wanted

476
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: or I wanted I don't want to put you in

477
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: this corner, all the reasons that I wanted Zay Flowers

478
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: on this football team. Tomrio Douglas does a lot of

479
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 2: the same things. Yeah, he's just not as complete of

480
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: a player.

481
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: It's just not his experience, right.

482
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers can play inside, he can play outside. He

483
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: has a full route tree. Tomorrio Douglas is a lot

484
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: more Mkole Harmon. He's a lot more gadget and vertical,

485
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: Like those are the two things that you're gonna get.

486
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: So two more things on Tomorow Douglas. One another reason

487
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: I think is a chance to make the team. So

488
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones obviously returns both kicks and punts, but he's

489
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: more comfortable as a punt returner, Like that's kind of

490
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: his game. Yeah, Tomrio Douglas is actually more of a

491
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: kick returner than a punt returner. So it takes one

492
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: more thing off Marcus Jones' plate without maybe a step back,

493
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: where Marcus Jones is your punt returner to Mario Douglas

494
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: is your kick returner. One other really interesting comp I

495
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: heard for to Mario Douglas, and it's an imperfect comparison,

496
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: but because this guy was probably ahead of his time,

497
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah was Percy Harvin.

498
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always get worried about comparing people to Percy

499
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: Harvin just because the mythical nature of Percy. Everybody remembers

500
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: Percy Harvin and thinks of this guy that was like

501
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: this generational Hall of Fame athlete, which I think he was.

502
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, But but isn't that kind of

503
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: the point. NFL teams didn't know how to use Percy

504
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: Harvin when he was in the league. They kept trying

505
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: to turn him into like a traditional receiver, and they

506
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: were sending him over the middle and you just got

507
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: the crapp eat out of him. Yeah, because he wasn't

508
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: big enough. He wasn't big enough for me. And this

509
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: is when there were still everybody had two hundred and

510
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: fifty pounds linebackers that were, you know, playing zone in

511
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: the middle of the field in head hunting, not head hunting,

512
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, yep. And now that

513
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: these linebackers have got much smaller, it opens the door

514
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: for these hundred and eighty pound burner receivers to just

515
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: go out there and put guys in a blunder people.

516
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: And it's an interesting comparison because that's probably who Percy

517
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: Harvin should have been. Line him up in the backfield,

518
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: line him up in the slot, put him in motion,

519
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: have him returned kicks, just find ways to get the

520
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: ball in his hands in space. I've always an interesting comparison.

521
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. I think the biggest thing,

522
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: and then we can move on from Douglas. The biggest

523
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: thing with Douglas to me is that I did not

524
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: see him necessarily being that Julian Edelman wes Welker chain

525
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: moving jitterbug underneath right. He ran some hitches, he ran

526
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: some slants at Liberty, but this is a horizontal field stretcher,

527
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: as like sort of a gadget player right behind the

528
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage or a vertical die like. Those are

529
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: the two things that he did the most at Liberty,

530
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't necessarily look at him as like a

531
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: high volume He's gonna catch eighty passes in the slot.

532
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's necessarily the projection, but certainly

533
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: the quickness, the separation ability, and then obviously the game

534
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: breaking ability with the football in his hands. If all

535
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: those things translate from Liberty to the pros, and I

536
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: don't really see any reason why they shouldn't just give

537
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: him based off his combine. He tested, and he ran well,

538
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: and he jumped out jumped almost at a forty inch vertical,

539
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: which tells you how explosive he is in the lower half.

540
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: He should be able to translate. So really exciting player.

541
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: Definitely one of those guys, Alex that a couple of

542
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: weeks when we get to go out to OTAs, I

543
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: think tomorrow Douglas might be the star of OTAs because

544
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: when you can't when you're not in pads and you

545
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: can't hit him and you can't contact him really and

546
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: he's just running around out there, he's going to make

547
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: some plays. All right, Sean and Vancouver, what's up, Sean?

548
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 6: Hey, everybody's going, Yeah, happy Star Wars Day. But I'm

549
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 6: not going to talk about that. I want to talk

550
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 6: about the draft, and yeah, I love Gonzales and when

551
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 6: that pick was coming down, I was still surprised that

552
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 6: he was there and JSDN and I would have been

553
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 6: happy with Broderick Jones, but obviously you have to pick,

554
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 6: and we got the best of just about anyone who

555
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 6: could have possibly been available. So that's great. The only

556
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 6: thing that I'm kind of irked about is two of

557
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 6: my draft crushes that were projected to go in the

558
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 6: late first, early second were there to be taken, and

559
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 6: for some reason injuries and other concerns, maybe laziness, they

560
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 6: just kept falling in the Patriots past. And so I'm

561
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 6: just hoping now that whoever plays right tackle for the

562
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 6: Patriots will have a better season than Dewan Jones. And

563
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 6: somehow Darnell Washington doesn't stay on the field, And that's

564
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 6: weird to try and root against guys that you liked

565
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 6: that but that's thing. Going to be really mad that

566
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 6: that happened, because you know, Evan, I know that Paul

567
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 6: bugged you about saying you know more than Bill Belichick,

568
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 6: but you know, Bill Belichick isn't always right. He made

569
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 6: terrible decisions last year that put us in bad spots.

570
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 6: So that's even though he's the greatest coach of all time,

571
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 6: he doesn't mean that he's going to get everything right.

572
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 6: And we've seen that a lot, but that happens. Now.

573
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 6: I'm one of the players that I'm really rooting for

574
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 6: is Cities out because I grew up in Montreal and

575
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 6: I've been to Beaumont, so nice to have someone from

576
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 6: that area on the team. And I'm kind of hoping

577
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 6: that it's kind of a pie in the sky thing,

578
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 6: but I'm kind of hoping that he plays right tackle

579
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 6: the same way that when you did in twenty twenty

580
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 6: one and does well and that settles that spot and

581
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 6: we're okay on the line. And then the question I

582
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 6: have for you is do you think Jack Jones will

583
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 6: start on the as a permitter corner? Do you think

584
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 6: they'll be an outside corner for the Patriots in twenty

585
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 6: twenty three?

586
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: Awesome? Yeah, thanks for the call, Sean. I think a

587
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: lot of good points there. Look, were all going to

588
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: look back on Dowan Jones and Darnell Washington's careers, and

589
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: if they end up having great careers, then we're going

590
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: to look back on that as what if.

591
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Right you don't have.

592
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally I like rooting for them because it

593
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: makes me look right hyped.

594
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: So I am couldn't inflicted on Zach Kunz.

595
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: But that's the start, you know, like, if if Zay

596
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: Flowers ends up having a great career in Baltimore, then

597
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be okay with it, honestly.

598
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, Justin Jefferson is your favorite player

599
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: in the league?

600
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: Yes, for a reason.

601
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

602
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: Anyways, the question that he had or the point that

603
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: about City sat in the line, and I guess can

604
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: tee us up for the discussion on those guys. I

605
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing was City sal and I would

606
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: put Tony O Maffi in this category two. Uh, they clearly.

607
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: I think that both of those guys resemble mike on

608
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Wenu for different reasons, if that If that makes sense,

609
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: and I think that both those guys the idea behind

610
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: those picks are similar to well, look at how well

611
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: mike on Wenu worked out our system and how that

612
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: situation worked out so well. With Sau, I think that

613
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: he's a little bit similar to mike on Winnu if

614
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: Michael Win who stuck a tackle right or maybe even

615
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: I guess what Michael when who is He's also got

616
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of Marcus Cannon in him, I would

617
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: say as well, just in terms of a guy that's

618
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: a little bit taller, a little bit longer than a

619
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 2: mike on win who uh Tonio Maffi from UCLA is

620
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: mike on win who just carbon copy essentially. I think

621
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: he's maybe a little bit smaller, like ten pounds smaller,

622
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: but he once was heavier. They he's lost a lot

623
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: of weight and he he plays and looks this wide

624
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: bodied interior lineman for sure, heavy heavy handed. You know,

625
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: there's a couple of plays against USC that I that

626
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: I saw that as soon as he gets his hands

627
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: on people, it's the rep is over right. He's got

628
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: these heavy mits, great latch strength, great upper body towards,

629
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: so he can just throw guys to the ground at

630
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: that point. Once he's got you, there's gonna be the

631
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: same questions, I'm sure when on one who came out

632
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: that I remember about his heavy footed mists and his

633
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: ability to laterally change directions. I think the biggest thing

634
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: with him is once he if he loses early in

635
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: the rep, if he doesn't get first contact, he doesn't

636
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: get your hand his hands on him initially, is he

637
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: going to have that redirect, that recovery talent to be

638
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: able to then refit and hold his ground right or

639
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: is he going to be boom or bust? Is he

640
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: going to be somebody that either gets his hands on

641
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: you and it's over or you go around? And that

642
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: was what happened a little bit at UCLA at times.

643
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: But there's a ton of connections there, Citi sow. We've

644
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: heard the Albert Breer report. Now he certainly checks the

645
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: boxes from a length standpoint and an athleticism standpoint at

646
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: the combine to be able to play tackle. He's got

647
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: just over the threshold on the arm length, and he

648
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: had a pretty good combine workout where he's an above

649
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: average athlete, so he can play tackle. Based off of

650
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: what I saw of him, I don't love him at tackle.

651
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: I just think a lot of those types of guys

652
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: you can just sort of tell that their skill set

653
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: is so much more conducive to a phone booth than

654
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: it is to space and being on an island, because

655
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: when he comes off the ball, he can generate so

656
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: much displacement on the line of scrimmage just with his

657
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: upper body power and is really I would say his

658
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: leverage and he's him and Mafi both have a pretty

659
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: rare ability to bend for guys that are that size.

660
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of projection because he also

661
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: didn't play tackle recently. It's been a couple of years. Yeah,

662
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: But I think either way, I like both of those guys.

663
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: I think both of those guys have a role on

664
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: an NFL roster, and we'll make a team like the

665
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: Patriots obviously, So I'm intrigued by both of them. But

666
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: I know you were joking earlier about sal playing tackle,

667
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: but there's some rationale to it. Certainly.

668
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I look at that size six eight or six five

669
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: three twenty three. He got thirty three and three eight

670
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: cinch arms, So he checks the box there. He's tremendous athlete.

671
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: He's one of the best offensive line testers at the combine. Yep,

672
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: if you take his numbers at tackle, their top three

673
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: in every drill he did for tackles at the combine.

674
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: And there's something to be said for all. Right, if

675
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: I say this, how many times I say this, he's

676
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: that big in that athletic, get him in the building

677
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: and figure it out, right, And I think what I

678
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: worry about with him at tackle is the footwork, right,

679
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I think he is the here's the thing. I think

680
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: he's a size and athleticism to play there. It's just

681
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: a technique thing. But this is all Their whole draft

682
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: was great size, great that great athleticism, needs better technique,

683
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: which they draft all. They drafted all the uncoachable traits,

684
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: and they're just banking on the coaching staff to get

685
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: these guys going. Yeah, for the most part, like Christian

686
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: zalz polished, they did draft a couple more high floor guys.

687
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: To Mario Douglas, I think Mafi's more a high floor

688
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: guy than a high ceiling Maffi is.

689
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: The type of guy that, like, he could play right

690
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: guard tomorrow and he might not be the best right

691
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: guard in the league, but he's not gonna be.

692
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna he could go. He could play

693
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: right guard in the NFL tomorrow, he could go. He

694
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: could play right guard in the NFL in ten years.

695
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the same player.

696
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

697
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not a pro bowler, but like, that's the

698
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: guy is where is Sow to me is the opposite.

699
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that Saal can come in and play

700
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: right guard tomorrow, but if he maxes out talking about

701
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: a pro bowler, at least a guard tackle again, does

702
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: he have the ability to go to that open side

703
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: and protect the edge and get around the horn. That's

704
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna be the big question. We're gonna see it, and

705
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: we're not really gonna get to see it in the

706
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: spring because there's no pads. We'll see it in training camp. Look,

707
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I still think tackle is gonna be a need. I

708
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: think we're gonna hammer tackle as much next offseason as

709
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: we did this offseason.

710
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: At some point they got to address it eventually, Like.

711
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: Sav's a lottery ticket if he works out a tackle. Awesome, great,

712
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: that would be sick. I don't think you can bank

713
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: on it, right, that's a that's a what if. But

714
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: I like him. I like all the picks individually. I

715
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: like the two guard picks individually. Andrews. I thought they

716
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: picked a little high. He's gonna have size issues in

717
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. But it was like all of them together

718
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: is kind of I'm like, did you need all those guys?

719
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Did you've drafted developmental tackle in there? But I like Sal.

720
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: I liked Sal coming in. I'm glad they're trying him

721
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: to tackle. I don't know that's gonna work, but again,

722
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: a guy with that athletic profile, give him a shot.

723
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Why not? Right, That's kind of what the spring practices

724
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: are for.

725
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's a chance that him and

726
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: Mafi end up being good NFL players for them.

727
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Mafi to me, I will say one more thing, Yeah,

728
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: this is Mike when winners last year in New England.

729
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: I think that's very clear.

730
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was where I was going with the two.

731
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: I think that's a real telltales sign because speaking to

732
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: Mafi's offensive line coach at UCLA, speaking to Eric Alco

733
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: from the Shrine, Bowl and Mafi was a Shrine Bowl guy.

734
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: There's two things. One, Belichick really likes Mafi. He called

735
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly and had a whole conversation with Chip Kelly

736
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: about Mafi. Right, So he's really in on Mafi. And

737
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: I think that everybody that you talk to, his offensive

738
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: line coach at UCLA, coach Drevno's just out of not prompted,

739
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, I recruited Mike on win

740
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: who back in the day. Mafi's the same guy. He's

741
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: the same guy. And when you look at that, I

742
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: just look. I look at those traits and I look

743
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: at the same thing, and it's hard not to read

744
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: that as on when who's probably not going to be

745
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: here next year. And that's that's just the way it screams.

746
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: And I think SOO maybe, like you said, is more

747
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: of that lottery ticket upside pick in the middle rounds

748
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: because of the athleticism. So I don't know exactly what

749
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: SU means quite yet, but I think Mafi is clear

750
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: cut Mike on Winnu insurance, Like that's that's pretty obvious

751
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 2: what he's on the roster for at the moment. And

752
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: and we'll see about Andrews I that's the one thing

753
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: I saw and heard about him was these bigger, more powerful, longer,

754
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: yeah nose tackles, interior guys like I think about, you know,

755
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: a guy like DeForest Buckner and like, you know, those

756
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: bigger guy that he's gonna have problems with that, similarly

757
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: to how Col Strange I had problems with his rookie year.

758
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say, and this is where again

759
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: there's always elements to this that sometimes we might find

760
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: out immediately after the draft, we might find out years later.

761
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: There's always things in play that we just don't know,

762
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: that we just can't account for. Like we didn't know

763
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Darnel Washington had a knee injury before the draft, like

764
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: I would have totally changed my projection. Yeah, maybe the

765
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: Patriots know something about David Andrews that we don't.

766
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think what they certainly could know, And I

767
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: don't think that David Andrews in terms of his health.

768
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: I mean we saw him at the He's been at

769
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: all these these workouts. We saw I saw him at

770
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: the at the draft party on Thursday night. He's as

771
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: locked in and bought into the systems as ever.

772
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: But I think the watch like a guy like that. Yeah.

773
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: The one thing that you have to mention with David

774
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Andrews's thirty years old.

775
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: He's going to be one.

776
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: And I do think that he is the type of

777
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: guy that would have the transparency with the organization. Uh,

778
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: this might be it, so that That's what I'm saying.

779
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: Like, I wonder if he went to them and said

780
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: this is my last year. Yeah, center becomes a much

781
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: more logical pick.

782
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: Now.

783
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: I think there were better centers on the board too,

784
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: That's part of it. Like I like Luke Whipler from

785
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Yeah, we talked about Alex Forsyth from Oregon.

786
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: You have the Adrian clem connection.

787
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: But when I was surprised about that, it was Andrews

788
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: and not Yea and not Foresight.

789
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: Well Whipler, they were at Whipler's prote Yea, I set

790
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: all my crap about Ohio State and that was wrong.

791
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: But Andrew Sandmitt when I'm wrong too. Like Andrews is

792
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: under contract through twenty twenty four, He's still under contract

793
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: for two more years, I thought. And they have Cody Ruci,

794
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: who they seem to like, so I kind of thought,

795
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: you give Rusi another year. You see where he's at Yeah,

796
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: and then when Andrews is entering the contract year, if

797
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: RUSI doesn't get to the point you wanted to get to,

798
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: that's where you go and you invest heavily in the seven.

799
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: They took Jake Andrews one hundred and seven. This is

800
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: the next starting center of the Patriots. Eventually with that pick,

801
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was coming next year. But if you

802
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: tell me, well, David Andrews told him that he's hanging

803
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: it up after this year. Okay, Now that pick makes

804
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot more sense. Again, maybe I maybe would have

805
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: gone with a different player. But if David Andrews wasn't

806
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: a contract year, I would have said, Yah, center, top

807
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: one fifty makes a lot of sense.

808
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: It kind of goes back to it. And I think

809
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: Covid threw a whole wrench in twenty twenty. Yeah, but

810
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: Chung and Kyle Duggar, right, Yeah, the team kind of knew.

811
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: I think before we all did that. Patrick Chunk was retired.

812
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't Dougger in a contract year that year.

813
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Patrick chungk you mean Chung? Yeah, he might have been,

814
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: But I just know that there were at that point

815
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: in time, there were the team was pretty aware that

816
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Patrick Chunk was either retiring or contemplating retiring. He ends

817
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: up opting out of the season because of COVID and

818
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: went that direction, then retired after the COVID year. Right,

819
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: but the team was aware that Patrick chuckk was done

820
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: playing football, right, We weren't as aware. I think there

821
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: were rumblings and like that he was kind of on

822
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: the fence about it. But I think that they were

823
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent certain that he was not going to

824
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: play next year. And that's where you get Kyle Duggar,

825
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: you know, being the top pick in the draft for them.

826
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 2: So I think it's similar, could be similar. I don't

827
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: We don't have any answer.

828
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, but I'm I'm just saying, like.

829
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: Makes more sense if that's the case, which would be

830
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: a bummer because David Andrews a great page.

831
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: Of course. No, I don't want to push him out

832
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: to do it, and that's kind of was my first life.

833
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: I hope they're not pushing David Andrews out I know,

834
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: which I don't think they would. But you know, we

835
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: do so much of using what's going on, what's being said,

836
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and what's being done to project draft picks. Yeah, this

837
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: is the time where we kind of do it the

838
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: other way around, and do these draft picks tell us

839
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: anything about the roster? Yeah, and that you know, I

840
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: mentioned the Mic and winnything before. I think the two

841
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: guards signal that they don't feel great about paying him.

842
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: I know, you think Marte mop who's going to play linebacker?

843
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if did We're going to get to it.

844
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: They are wondering about paying Kyle duggar uh. And I

845
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: think Jake Andrews that pick tells me David Andrews assigned

846
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: for two years, but maybe those two years aren't a guarantee.

847
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take this call from Michael, and

848
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: then I do want to get into the day. Two guys.

849
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: All right, Michael, what's up?

850
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: Let's go Hey guys, Hey, guys are doing so you know,

851
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: I think I think from from my perspective, like I

852
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 3: know that you guys. I know Evan, you keep saying

853
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: like they do they do on ANU with guard, he's guard,

854
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 3: he's guard. And I just personally think that you've got

855
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: to try your best offensive lineman's like they have to

856
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: be your tackle. You can you can find guys like

857
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Moss in the fourth round so like I would, I

858
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if they try on tackle again under

859
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: Climb and O'Brien see maybe a PC could be the

860
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: answer there. But overall, like you know, there's a lot

861
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: of people that are like yah, I wish where they

862
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: could have taken a tight end or you know, receiver

863
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 3: early or even the develpmenttal tackle. I really do think overall,

864
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: looking at the draft, I like it's should you consider

865
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: how they've built this team in the off season with

866
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: some of the free agent acquisitions, Like, there's not a

867
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: lot of guys who probably find a little you know,

868
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: in those spots where maybe would have staye one that

869
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: can make an impact this next year. Maybe Josh Downs

870
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: I can I can see that. But if they don't

871
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: see Tucker Craft or at Krusis fits at tight end,

872
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 3: then you know they're not gonna they're not gonna really

873
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: ortake them in those spots. So but I just wanted

874
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: to get you guys opinion on the overall off season

875
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 3: in general, and like the way that they've approached team

876
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: building and I think only missing the playoffs by one

877
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 3: game last year, and if it wasn't for two return

878
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: touchdowns against Buffalo, maybe we actually could send to the playoffs.

879
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think overall the team is

880
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: in a way better spot this year than it was

881
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: last year in a roster perspective. But want to figure

882
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: your guys thought.

883
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Michael, I definitely agree. I'm

884
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: not ruling out Mike on when are you playing tackle? Yeah,

885
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: every all of the tea leaves say that he's going

886
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: to stick a guard.

887
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean they were adamant about it last year. Yeah,

888
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: remember that he's already now it's a different offensive mine now,

889
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: so maybe that changes.

890
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, But even Macro after the Day three of the

891
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: draft said he's kind of settled in at guard, And

892
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: I do think that there's something to be said for

893
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: he's like the one consistent guy that you probably have

894
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: on that line over the last couple of years besides Andrews,

895
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: and to continue to move them around and mess with them, Like,

896
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for that. Now.

897
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: The overall team building approach of the offseason, and that

898
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: is it obviously can go in a lot of different directions.

899
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: I think overall, though, I do, I am starting to

900
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: see that they are building towards something. I think specifically

901
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball.

902
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: Certainly they built and building towards. I mean, there's not

903
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: much more they can.

904
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: Have the defensive side of the ball. And I mentioned

905
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: this on PU I went and I like to listen

906
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: to some of the national guys, not not like on

907
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: the talking head shows, like the podcast and stuff like that.

908
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: You know, people's opinions that I trust and normally think

909
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: are smart ball minds. They're bullish on the Patriots defense too,

910
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: and the Patriots defense on paper right now is low

911
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: key kind of loaded, especially if Christian Gonzales ends up

912
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: being as good as we all think he's going to be.

913
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: So the one question mark that I don't know if

914
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: those people because they're just not here and they're not

915
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: as glued into it as maybe we are, that that's

916
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: not being brought up is obviously replacing Devin mccordy, and

917
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: not necessarily the skill set, but just the mental side

918
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: of it and the coaching on the field and the

919
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: field general side of it. I think it's going to

920
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: be harder than people realize. But talent wise, this defense

921
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: has got talent at all three levels. They're faster, they

922
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: have better athletes. I think in most spots, and that

923
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: brings us to the two day two picks, because I

924
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: will admit I was a little bit down after Friday night.

925
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: I was up here after Christian Gonzales. And for people

926
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: that don't know, we did a Christian Gonzales podcast last Friday,

927
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: So if you want to listen to our takes on

928
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales, we've already hashed that out. So that's why

929
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: we're not doing that today. I was sky high when

930
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: they picked Christian Gonzales in the first round. The second

931
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: round brought me back down to Patriots draft territory, right, like,

932
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: just back to real Patriot all right, They're gonna take

933
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: their guys and they're probably not gonna be my guys,

934
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: and this is just the way that it goes. I

935
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: think starting with Marty Mapoo, you just said something that

936
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna get me going on this about his position, yeah,

937
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: on the Patriots and his position in the NFL. I

938
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: will be extremely critical of this team if they view

939
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Marty Mattpoo as a safety. I will be even more

940
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: critical of this team if they view Marty Mapoo as

941
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: a Kyle Duggart replacement. And the two reasons why are one,

942
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: they have been starving, starving for some athleticism at the

943
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: second level of the defense, like they need it more

944
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: than they need anything else maybe on that side of

945
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: the football at this point. And they drafted a two

946
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty pound missile at the linebacker position in

947
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: college that has film of him doing all of the

948
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: things that they need somebody to do, right, going sideline

949
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: to sideline, the tracker, running back, spying mobile quarterbacks, read

950
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: option plays. Like That's the one thing that I think

951
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: is really important with these draft picks and guys like Mapu.

952
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: They grew up in read option, they grew up defending RPO,

953
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: they grew up defending mobile quarterbacks, Like this is something

954
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: that isn't a learned behavior from them once they get

955
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: to this level, right. I think with a lot of

956
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 2: the Patriots old school, you know, two hundred and fifty

957
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty five pound linebackers, I think a

958
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: lot of those guys were just at the beginning of

959
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: the RPO read option mobile quarterback craze even in college.

960
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: Now it's like a whole different animal, right, The schemes

961
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 2: and the creativity is out. Guys like Marty Mapu, especially

962
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 2: in the FCS where he played football, where you aren't

963
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: as talented as other teams. You're not Alabama or Georgia, right,

964
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: So you have to get an edge with scheme and

965
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: you have to get an edge with coaching to an extent.

966
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: He he knows the keys on a read option play.

967
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: He understands where they're trying to attack him on an

968
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: RPO a lot better than a lot of guys. It's

969
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: kind of like how grow talks about, you know, receivers

970
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: being some natural pass catchers because of seven on seven

971
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: right and having so much experience in the passing game. Now,

972
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: I look at it the same way with Mapu. So

973
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: on the one hand, he checks all the boxes that

974
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: we've been clamoring for at linebacker in terms of speed, athleticism, instincts,

975
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: that ability to when Josh Allen rolls right and throws

976
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: across the field to a touchdown pass to Dawson Knox, Sorry, PTSD.

977
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: We have a guy now that can that can push

978
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: him out of bounce right. We have a guy now

979
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: that can go get him, and that I think is

980
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: something that they've been missing. The second thing is we

981
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: have talked a lot about how the Patriots draft from

982
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: basically sixteen to nineteen. If you want to say seventeen

983
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: to nineteen, that range really set this organization back a

984
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: half decade because they drafted so poorly.

985
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: Three bad drafts set you back six years.

986
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger was the first pick that turned the tide. Yeah,

987
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger is not a perfect player. I know, you know,

988
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: Badard goes on your station a lot, Alex and talks

989
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: about how he's overrated and how he's got issues in coverage.

990
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily disagree with any of the nitpicks

991
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: about Kyle Dugger, but at the end of the day,

992
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: I do think that their nitpicks, and I think that

993
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: he's a playmaker and he's an impact player on the

994
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. They don't have enough of

995
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: those types of guys to just let one walk out

996
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: the door, right, And that's also add to that that

997
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: next year because they don't have a lot of cap commitments,

998
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: because they don't have a lot of big price players.

999
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 2: They have like one hundred million dollars in salary cap

1000
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: space or something ridiculous like that if you project.

1001
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: It out right now, third fourth most in the league, right.

1002
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: So they have all the money in the world to

1003
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: go out and pay Kyle duggar. Kyle Dugger is the

1004
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: is the beginning of a new era on that side

1005
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: of the football. And in a positive he is a hit.

1006
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: You hit on him in the draft. It was a

1007
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: good pick in twenty twenty. Why do you want to restart, like,

1008
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: why do you want to hit the reset button? Over money?

1009
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: Like over contract for a safety? Mind you, that isn't

1010
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: That's not a twenty plus million dollar a year deal.

1011
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: That's a position that's still watered down across the league.

1012
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: We're not talking about paying a guy twenty five million

1013
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: dollars a year. So I would be really I'd be

1014
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: really critical if they let Kyle Dugger walk and dis

1015
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: replace him with Marty Mapho. Marty Mapho if he hits

1016
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: his his potential, which I just mentioned a lot of

1017
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: the things that he can do. He can cover I

1018
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: would say more so in zone and I don't know

1019
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: if he's fast enough to be a true man guy

1020
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: on tight ends, but he can cover the second in

1021
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, second level middle of the

1022
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: field type things. He's got that range, he's got that

1023
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: ability to go from the middle of the field to

1024
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: the sideline and make a play. He's got that quarterback

1025
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: spy element in that downhill trigger. And then the film

1026
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl really showed a guy that even

1027
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: at two hundred and twenty pounds, has the physicality to

1028
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: hold up in the box. I really feel like he

1029
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: can take on blocks, and especially when he when he

1030
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: sees it and he goes triggers downhill, he packs a

1031
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: punch right because he's moving so quickly. He's explosive. So

1032
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: I think that he can play linebacker. And I look

1033
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: at guys like Matt Milano, I look at guys like

1034
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: Dion Jones. I look at guys that are Fred Warner

1035
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: is a little bigger Fred Warner. I look this up.

1036
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: He's Fred Warner is listed at two thirty five.

1037
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fred Werner's not real.

1038
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: So but I would say that Mapu is six ' three.

1039
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: He's not. Matt Milano is only six feet tall, right,

1040
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: Dean Jones is six to one, So he's got a

1041
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: little bit more length that maybe he could pack on.

1042
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily want him to pack on

1043
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: that much weight to match Fred Warner. But five to

1044
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: seven pounds of muscle, I think is realistic, and you

1045
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: get him too closer to two twenty five. I don't

1046
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: see any reason why that that guy should not be

1047
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: a linebacker here there. It just especially if you put

1048
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: him next to Jawan Bentley. So you have your two

1049
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounder, right, you have your thumber. I

1050
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: know what you're I know where your point is that

1051
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: that that this is what they do. They drafted year

1052
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: head Kyle Duggar is a free agent. They're similar enough

1053
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: that you could play them both in similar roles.

1054
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, Kyle Duggart basically plays like a linebacker now.

1055
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: A little bit. But I I also just look at

1056
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: it and think, Okay, Devin mccorty's gone. This would in theory,

1057
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it happens right away from

1058
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: Matt poo just because of various you know, peck injury

1059
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: level competition. In theory, though, this would free up Kyle

1060
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: Duggart to play more of a natural safety position.

1061
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but now you're talking about replacing Kyle dug Art Mapho.

1062
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about Kyle dugger playing safety and Mapho

1063
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: playing linebacker. These two guys.

1064
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: But you're basically saying Kyle Dugger plays linebacker right now.

1065
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he does. I think Kyle Duggar

1066
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: plays a hybrid.

1067
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: So then how does bringing in Mapo free up Dugger?

1068
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: So all right, you're saying this frees up Kyle Dugger

1069
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: plays safety because Mampho's gonna take over his.

1070
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: Role, Kyle Dugger playing deep safety, okay, and Mapoo playing

1071
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: in the box as the athletic guy in the box

1072
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: that has the power in the play, strength to be

1073
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 2: able to hold up at two twenty.

1074
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: Okay. So but if that's a linebacker, then you're saying

1075
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Duger plays linebacker.

1076
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm saying Kyle Dugger. We're getting into a

1077
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: lot of semantics here, I get it. I'm saying that

1078
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar has some has some overlap out back.

1079
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: Look right, look, here's I don't disagree with anything you said.

1080
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: But for all of that to what for Marte map

1081
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: who has a ton of NFL potential, For that potential

1082
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: to be recognized in New England, something massive has to break,

1083
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: and that can be any number of things. Six three

1084
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: two seventeen is not a linebacker in New England. It's

1085
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: simply not.

1086
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 2: So this is what This is what I'm getting at though.

1087
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: They need that philosophical change.

1088
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: So okay, but this is what I'm saying, so just

1089
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: off of trends though, either he has that, they have

1090
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: to completely rewrite how they view the lineback position. This

1091
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: is not a small change. This is a massive philosophical overhaul.

1092
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: That's one option, desperately, that is one option. The other

1093
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: option is he puts on twenty pounds and essentially plays

1094
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: like mac Wilson and ray Kwan McMillan. Now here's my

1095
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: issue with that. They're very impatient with those guys. You

1096
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: brought up the Josh Allen athleticism. That's what I'm saying, Well, again,

1097
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: something some guys can put on weight and still be effective.

1098
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: It's rare. You mentioned the Josh Allen play last year, right,

1099
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Why didn't mac Wilson hit Josh Allen? Because the saying

1100
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: don't take penalties. They don't want their linebackers to be

1101
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: aggressive in that sense, and for a guy like this

1102
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: to be successful, he take chances. He is going to

1103
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: get beat sometimes. The other thing they could do, I've

1104
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: seen some people suggest this they could turn him into

1105
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. Well, now he's changing position and he

1106
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: still probably needs to put weight on or six three

1107
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: two seventeen. With his athleticism is kind of a textbook

1108
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: Patriot safety.

1109
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: He is a.

1110
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Physical fit for the Kyle Duggart role. But now he's

1111
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: changing positions and that's a risk. So no matter what happens,

1112
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: adapt Okay, but listen, just listen to my point. Okay,

1113
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: No matter what happens, the path for him to be

1114
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: successful in New England doesn't exist right now. For him

1115
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: to business as usual as a two hundred and seventeen

1116
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: pounder to play linebacker the way the Patriots ask their

1117
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: linebackers to play, that will not work. It won't, okay,

1118
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: So something massive has to break. You say it's a

1119
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: philosophical change.

1120
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: I do.

1121
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: I think they might be looking at a position change.

1122
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: Ask because the reason I'm more optimistic about it working

1123
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: because I do think that you look at guys like

1124
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: Adrian Phillips, like Yle Dugger, like Jabriel Peppers that do

1125
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: play a lot of their snaps in the box, right

1126
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: and they that's.

1127
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar's role. That's what I'm saying.

1128
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: But what I'm telling you with Kyle Dugger is that

1129
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: having a Guylac Mapu that can do the things that

1130
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: he does in the box, will now allow Kyle Dugger

1131
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: to take over some of Devin mccorty's responsibilities. Right, So,

1132
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: I don't think that Kyle Dugger is a full time

1133
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 2: free safety, but they're going to need him to play

1134
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: some free safety.

1135
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: But so then you're putting Marte Mapu into those responsibilities

1136
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: of what is Kyle Dugar's position a safety? So you

1137
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: are suggesting a position change?

1138
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: Then no, but that's what that is. No I am

1139
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: I I am not. I want them to make him

1140
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: a linebacker, and I want linebackers in New England.

1141
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: But what you're describing is not what you're.

1142
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: Just such a classic argument.

1143
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: What you're describing is not him playing linebacker.

1144
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. I want what I want just to

1145
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 2: play weak side linebacker.

1146
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Is that what Kyle Dugger does now?

1147
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 2: No, Kyle Dugger right now plays in the box because

1148
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: he matches up. Okay, okay, but.

1149
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Let me as so, then how does drafting Marte Mopu

1150
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: help you play Kyle duggert free safety?

1151
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, this is where I'm going with this.

1152
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: They need to philosophically change how they approach the linebacker position.

1153
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: Okay, but that has nothing to do with Kyle Duger.

1154
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: Yess it does because they need to this. Kyle Dugger

1155
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 2: is on the field and plays his role right now

1156
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 2: because they won't change from the Jawan Jawan Bentley's and

1157
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: Jolanni de VI's the world linebacker. Okay. So instead what

1158
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: they do is they play dime on third down and

1159
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger comes down into the box and plays in

1160
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: that role on third down because they take Jolanni Tavai

1161
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: off the field.

1162
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: So plays it. What is that role? It's a linebacker role.

1163
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: It's a it's a safety slash linebacker, moneybacker type of.

1164
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: Right, Isn't that what Marte Mopu doesn't That project is

1165
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: what they're gonna have him do.

1166
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: But I want him to do it on first down. Okay,

1167
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: So that's but I don't want him to do it

1168
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: in an obvious path. I want him to do it

1169
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: all down. But I'm not saying I want I don't

1170
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: want him to. I don't want Marty Mapu to be

1171
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: a situational player, Okay. I want the Patriots to recognize

1172
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: that they if they on their schedule next year, they

1173
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: have Josh Allen twice, they have Patrick Mahomes, they play

1174
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: the Eagles and Jalen Hurts. This is the league. You

1175
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: are gonna play these guys every single week nowadays. Guys

1176
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: that can run, Guys that can create out of structure,

1177
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: guys that can extend plays outside the pocket. And if

1178
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 2: you are trying to combat those offenses with two hundred

1179
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: and fifty five pound linebackers like Jolani Tovai and Jawan Bentley,

1180
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: then you are going to get run off to you.

1181
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: So you want a philosophical change again, if they change

1182
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: what they do philosophic and this is a massive This

1183
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: is rewriting the defense. This is not just oh, we're

1184
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna create one role for this player that we're gonna

1185
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: use here and there. This is not having a package

1186
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: for Marcus Jones on offense. This is completely You're taking

1187
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: what day view is the most most important position in

1188
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: the defense. Maybe second most be behind corner, but you're

1189
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: taking with day view as a monumentally important position.

1190
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: Yes, and you are.

1191
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: Completely changing the way that they view entirely.

1192
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a big ask.

1193
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: Now, it would work. I'm not disagreeing with you that

1194
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't work. It would absolutely work, And would it

1195
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: make them a better defense. Yeah, probably, but.

1196
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: He's one step behind on this.

1197
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: It's I don't think I'm trying to the equivalent.

1198
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: It's the one thing and I give I give Belichick

1199
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: all the credit in the world for twenty years. Yeah

1200
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: he was always, not always, but he was either at

1201
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: the front of the line. He was a trailblazer. He was. Yeah,

1202
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: he was a trailblazing coach, especially on the defense side

1203
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: of the ball. Heck, the guy invented riplez, all right,

1204
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: he invented match coverage with Nick Saban and Cleveland thirty

1205
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: years ago. Now everybody, every in every Power five team,

1206
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: and every NFL team in the in the league has

1207
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: riple is in their playbook because of Bill Belichick and

1208
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: Nick Saban. Okay, but the one thing that he has

1209
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: not adapted on is linebacker. He hasn't done it. He

1210
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: still believes in gap control, compressing space, taking on blocks,

1211
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: and in order to do those types of things, you

1212
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: need to be two hundred and fifty pounds right, Okay.

1213
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that when they play Buffalo,

1214
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: and when they play Kansas City, and when they play Philadelphia,

1215
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: and let's face it, let's stick it to Buffalo in case,

1216
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: because those are the two teams in the conference. We

1217
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: want the Patriots to get back to the super Bowl,

1218
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: you are going to have to go through one of

1219
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: those teams, if not both of those teams to get there.

1220
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: And right now they're defensive defensively, they can't play Kansas

1221
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: City in Buffalo that way. They can't. They can't playing

1222
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: like that.

1223
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: Look, if it's a philosophical change, it's great. Yes, it's

1224
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: great because that's what they need to do. I'm just

1225
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: telling you how many times have they had a chance

1226
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: to make that change the last couple of you remember

1227
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: that linebacker classes all those guys, and.

1228
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: I think the description, I really hope that they finally

1229
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: see it. And I think a guy like Marty Mapho

1230
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: Marty Matpho didn't play safety in college, right, Marty Map

1231
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: who played linebacker, And I think the biggest difference is

1232
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: is between him and like a guy like Kyle Dugger.

1233
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: Is that because Marty Map who played full time at

1234
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: linebacker at Sacramento State, he has linebacker instincts, right, He

1235
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: reads run keys, he understands blocking schemes, he understands his

1236
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: role in the front seven. That that's different between when

1237
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: you put safeties at the second level, you're playing those

1238
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: guys out of position, right, Like you're counting on them

1239
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: to understand their their responsibilities, but they don't have. Marty

1240
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: Mapho has the potential and I'm not saying he's there yet,

1241
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: but Marty Mapho has like the instincts of the Juwan Bentley,

1242
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: but the speed of a Kyle Dugger.

1243
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: So I basically here's my point, because what you're saying. Again,

1244
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

1245
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: I know this is like when we argue about mock draft.

1246
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: No different because I don't think this is semantics. I

1247
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: don't think the semantics. I think we're kind of viewing

1248
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: this differently. I agree with everything you're saying in theory. Realistically, though,

1249
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: what's more likely they change for the players or they

1250
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: asked the players to change for them.

1251
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: I I understand where you're coming from, right, But I'm hoping,

1252
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: and I understand that this is just a hope. This

1253
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: is just a fever dream of it of mine. You

1254
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: know when I when I think up things that you

1255
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: know late at night, Right, Yeah, this is my hope

1256
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: is is that they have drafted Marty Mapho because they've

1257
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: already planned to do this.

1258
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, I think would be that if

1259
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: they plan to do this, they went into the draft saying,

1260
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: we want to create this role in our defense. We

1261
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: need to go get a guy to do it exactly.

1262
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: And there weren't a ton of those guys in this draft,

1263
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: right like it wasn't you know, we talked about this.

1264
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't think Henry Toto is quite as athletic enough.

1265
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: I think, like Drew Sanders would have been the other option,

1266
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: but when I watched, they weren't taking a line back

1267
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: of that time and I when and when I watched

1268
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: Marty Mapoo. Actually, whether it translates or not, I know

1269
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: it is going to be the constant quest for everybody.

1270
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: But I see a faster downhill trigger for Marty Mattpoo

1271
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: than for Drew Sanders. I think Drew Sanders does a

1272
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: lot of the same things, but when it's clicking close

1273
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: time and it's just closing bursts to the football, I

1274
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: think Marty Mattpoo moves at a little bit of a

1275
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: different speed. But I might not be right about that.

1276
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: That's just eye test, you know, and we'll see. I

1277
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: am hoping that mainly, And look, I'm gonna I don't

1278
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: want to say it like that because I don't want

1279
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: to say that Bill can't adapt, because I just went

1280
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: on a rant about how much he used to adapt.

1281
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: But I think that there is a little bit of

1282
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: Drawd Mayo influence in this too. I think I hope

1283
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: where you know, Mayo talked about how he loves he

1284
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: loves watching he loves scouting. He said that, he said

1285
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: he loves scouting because he actually not only does he

1286
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: like watching the players, but he also likes to watch

1287
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: what the college teams are doing schematically right. And it

1288
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: has I have to think that he was watching all

1289
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: these players, all these linebackers that they wanted him to

1290
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: study in the aten, thinking tight fronts like you know,

1291
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty pound guys playing like what is

1292
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: any of this right? You know, why are we doing

1293
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: any of this? And then you look at the film

1294
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: against Buffalo or you look at you know they're gonna

1295
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: I think Kansas City is a perfect these modern offenses,

1296
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: and now all of them, they're all sprouting up all

1297
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: over the league and it's just gonna continue. They need

1298
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: to adapt, and I hope that they realize that, and

1299
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: I hope that they know that where Marty Mapu and

1300
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: your defense now is not a safety. Yeah, he's a

1301
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: three down linebacker, and you have your Juwan Bentley to

1302
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: play the mic on first down if you still want that,

1303
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: and you still need it because they Bill probably won't

1304
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: change his spots completely, right, So he's still gonna hold

1305
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: on to some things. Juwan Bentley can still be your

1306
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty pound MIC that can play the

1307
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: run first down. But Marty Mapu's got to be playing

1308
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: at the second level of the defense. He's got to

1309
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: have a weak side linebacker responsibilities and rules. I don't

1310
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: want to man to man on a tight end. I

1311
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: want him in a hook, so I want him chasing

1312
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: and I want him tackling people. Yeah, right, that's it.

1313
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: So, and look, maybe it's interesting you bring up Mayo. Right,

1314
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: there's that report at the beginning of the year that

1315
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: he's coming back, and we figure he's gonna have a

1316
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: bigger role. We don't know what it is. Maybe that's

1317
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: the catalyst for the chains. Maybe Gerd Mayo comes in

1318
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: and says, Bill, I know you've done it this way

1319
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: for twenty something years, but yeah, I want to add

1320
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: this element to the defense maybe, and maybe that's what

1321
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: is So maybe that's it for the record for the

1322
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: people in the chat. Yeah, I know Kyle Dugger is

1323
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: a safety. I was trying to make a point. He

1324
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: is a safety.

1325
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: I get that, Yes, I just when I think of

1326
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger and I get that he aligns in the

1327
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: box sometimes and basically lines up as a linebacker. But

1328
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: he's somebody that for the most part is either handling

1329
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: high stress zone assignments at the second level, right, like

1330
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, carrying the seam in a Cover two Tampa two. Right,

1331
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: he's the whole player and that in that defense, handling

1332
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 2: the weak side hook and Cover three. So when that

1333
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: crosser comes from the strong side of the formation, you

1334
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: have a really good cover player in there. He's man

1335
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: to man on a tight end. Right. I want Matt

1336
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: Pou to play like he's Juwan Bentley right, right, but

1337
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: I want him to play it three downs.

1338
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just again, I'm not I don't disagree with you,

1339
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: but it would be such a massive departure from what

1340
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: they do.

1341
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: What they do, but they need to do it. They do.

1342
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't need to do it. But

1343
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: it's and at some point that's got to win any

1344
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: dog new tricks.

1345
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: He's he's he's changed before.

1346
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't even mean like I didn't even mean that

1347
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: it Bill directly. I just mean in general, like their

1348
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: whole thing's built around this one concept. Again, because if

1349
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: you make that change, you're not just changing the way

1350
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: one player plays. It impacts everybody else on the defense,

1351
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: you have to change things about other positions to accommodate it. Again,

1352
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: I actually that you brought up d Mayo is a

1353
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: really good point. Yeah, maybe this is Drod Mayo coming

1354
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: in and saying I want to make this change philosophically

1355
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: on the defense, I'm calling this, go get me this guy.

1356
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Maybe maybe it wasn't Map who maybe gave

1357
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: him five players and said give me one of these guys. Right,

1358
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that to me would be the thing.

1359
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: But it's we're talking whether they do it or not, Evan,

1360
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: And you can want them to do it all you want,

1361
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: and I think there's certainly a case of doing it.

1362
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: You have to do it. It's a massive, massive change.

1363
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: It's a massive change in terms of it's a massive

1364
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: change in terms of like how they look at labeling positions, right,

1365
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: Like Kyle Duggan and Jabriel Peppers and Adrian Phillips have

1366
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: done some of these things recently, But they meet with

1367
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: Brian Belichick and Mike Pellegrino and the DBS, right, they

1368
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: don't meet with Gerard Mayo and Steve So from that respect,

1369
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: to have somebody that's in the meeting room with the

1370
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: linebackers and wearing a linebacker number and is a linebacker

1371
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: doing the things that they ask Adrian Phillips to do

1372
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: is certainly different. But asking a player of that size

1373
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: to take on some of the roles and responsibilities I'm

1374
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 2: saying he should take on they've been doing with their

1375
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: safeties for the last.

1376
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: Couple I guess the changes, Like you're not taking Adriane

1377
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: Phillips or Kyle dugar off the field to put this

1378
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: guy on.

1379
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: You might be taking Adrian Phillips off.

1380
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: That would be interesting.

1381
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: And Adrian Phillips getting up there.

1382
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: All right, It sounded like you were saying, like, take

1383
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: Juwan Bentley off the field or take like.

1384
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: I think that certainly, like Maphu should be your third Dan, Mike,

1385
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: like if you and look, we're this is projection. We're

1386
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: talking about this, you know, philosophically, and if the player

1387
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: works out, there's a chance that he's a dud and

1388
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: he's a bust and he doesn't play anything. Well. If

1389
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: the player works out, then on third I would even say,

1390
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: like depending on down and distance, on second down too, Yeah,

1391
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: he should be your Mike linebacker. On first down, he's

1392
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: gonna play offset Bentley because they're not gonna take Bentley

1393
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: off the field and have them run power at Marty

1394
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: Map who had two hundred and twenty pounds. They won't

1395
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 2: do it. So that respect, I think, you know, where

1396
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: does he whose spot does he take? Whose snaps does

1397
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: he take? I definitely think you're you're thinking more Adrian

1398
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: Phillips because I don't think they're pulling Kyle Dugan infield.

1399
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: Phillips is like significantly bigger than he is. He's not toleran.

1400
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: He's two hundred and ten pounds.

1401
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: Phillips is two hundred and ten pound.

1402
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: Philps two hundred ten pounds right listed.

1403
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1404
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: So I guess it's more like this is what I

1405
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: mean by the change, right, Where is the where are

1406
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: these snaps coming from? You're taking somebody off the field,

1407
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: whether it's Jawan Bentley, whether it's Adrian Phillips.

1408
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: Okay, but who But let me bring it home. Yeah,

1409
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: he already took somebody off the field, Devin mccordy. He retired, Okay,

1410
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: So somebody is gonna have to play Devin McCarty's responsibilities.

1411
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: The guy that I think is best suited to do it.

1412
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 1: Is Kyle Duggar right, okay.

1413
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 2: Because he played free safety in college. Yeah, he's got

1414
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: the range, he's got the physicality, and he's got the

1415
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: instincts like he's a ballhawker, that's right. As much as

1416
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: he might give up plays at times, he bakes them. Right. Yeah,

1417
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: So I think Kyle Duger, Like I said earlier, I

1418
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: don't want Kyle Dugger to play Devin McCarty's role one

1419
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: hundred percent of the tight. I still think that he's

1420
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: so impactful in the box that they need to leave

1421
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: him some freedom to play in the box.

1422
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: Well, okay, let me take Okay, it's another way though,

1423
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: What if Jalen Mills is the free safety, Because it

1424
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: sounds like that could happen.

1425
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Mills. So now we're really going down

1426
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: in the rabbit hole. I like this. No, this what

1427
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: we do Jalen Mills, Yeah, is covering tight ends. Kyle

1428
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: Duggar is Devin McCarty. He's gonna play free safety and

1429
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: then sometimes rotate into the box because he's so good there.

1430
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: Jalen Mills to me, they look at him, They look

1431
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: at him and say, probably too slow to play outside corner. Right,

1432
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: he can't keep up with receivers, so but he can play.

1433
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: And man, so what do you do? You have n't

1434
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: covered slower guys.

1435
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: Okay, but so now you're taken. Devin McCarty's off, yep.

1436
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: But Jalen Mills still on the field, old because he

1437
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: was on the field last year. You're keeping Kyle Dugger

1438
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: on the field. Also added Christian Gonzales to play outside corn,

1439
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: play outside corner. You know, where's Marcus Jones. There's Jonathan

1440
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: Jones and.

1441
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: Arcus Jones in the slot. Okay, Jonathan Jones is your

1442
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: field corner.

1443
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: Jack Jones. We're not including Jack Jones? Just fine. I

1444
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: don't think I'm with you on that. But all right,

1445
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: so where are the snaps? Where is the role form?

1446
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: Marte map? So all right, so Kyle goes to Marty,

1447
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger goes to deep safety, and Marte mop who

1448
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: takes some of the responsibilities Kyle Dugger.

1449
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: So Marty mapoo to me and they're let.

1450
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: Me Okay, I think this is what I've been trying

1451
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: to ask. I couldn't figure it out. Are you just

1452
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: essentially a racing not a racing? But when Kyle Duger

1453
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: plays deep safety, are you just getting rid of the

1454
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: role he has and you have Marte mop who doing

1455
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: similar things but in a differently defined role.

1456
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: For the most part. Okay, I think that's the easiest

1457
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: way to put it. I think the other guy that

1458
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: kind of is the odd man out ends up being

1459
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 2: here as jolani.

1460
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: As you're strong side edge set. Well, you know what

1461
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 1: that that's a perfect transition because if you're not gonna

1462
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 1: get that from the linebacker position, you got a defensive

1463
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: end who does that version. Boom ie, Wow, holy crap, we.

1464
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: Just did that.

1465
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

1466
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: See thank you. Now you're speaking my language, which brings

1467
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: us to the second round pick in the Patriots.

1468
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: So now we're you're going full circle. So now we're

1469
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: going I guess it's not three four to four three,

1470
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: but now we're taking a linebacker, we're taking a linebacker off,

1471
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: putting a hybrid linebacker safety on, and adding a defensive end,

1472
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: adding a hybrid defensive hybrid defense. He's a defensive end.

1473
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: I I so he's a five technique.

1474
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: He's a five tech.

1475
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1476
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: So you think he's gonna play standing up?

1477
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: Maybe okay in some fronts because if he's playing stand

1478
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: up over the tight end right on the strong side

1479
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 2: of the formation, I'm so glad we got this full circle. Yeah.

1480
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: Then I think that he look the commine says he

1481
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: can do it. Right, guy ran like a four.

1482
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: On the back. I think it was thirty one.

1483
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest key on White Fan. I'm just

1484
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: gonna put that out there. And the reason why I

1485
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: was not the biggest key on White Fan is because

1486
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 2: I personally feel like he just doesn't have that like

1487
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 2: first step Josh off the ball explosiveness as I have

1488
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: to do. And as I am doing talking myself into

1489
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 2: everything over here, I am recognizing that I was thinking

1490
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: about it wrong. I was thinking about, how can this

1491
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: player help them rush the passer? How can this player

1492
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: be a double digit sack guy for them? And not

1493
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 2: know he's the strong side edge ctter.

1494
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: So my comp for him, let me tell you tell anything,

1495
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,520
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers.

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01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's not a bad I mean,

1497
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: if he liked maxim I think ideally you know a

1498
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: lot of people that that have studied Keon White, I

1499
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: have said as a pass rusher, he's probably better as

1500
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: like a three technique or an inside.

1501
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: That's the thing. If he passed strushes, I think it's

1502
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna be from the interior, like him next to bar

1503
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: More on that interior rush, right.

1504
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 2: But I think in their base nickel or base big

1505
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: dime defenses, he's gonna be your strong side edge center.

1506
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: So here's why I like Keon White, and I'm with

1507
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: you on that. I think on early downs he's he's

1508
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: setting that edge, and then on passing downs you either

1509
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: have him on the edge, not as a pass rusher,

1510
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,879
Speaker 1: but like just hold that edge. Don't let the quarterback

1511
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: get outside you, right, just keep the edge of that

1512
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: pocket tight.

1513
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: But that's exactly who what his skill said.

1514
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: I think that as he grows, there's the potential to

1515
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: kick him inside as a rusher, and just his athleticism

1516
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: in his motor next to Christian bar More in his

1517
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: motor would be a lot for teams handle now that's

1518
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: in step two. That's year two or year three right

1519
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: right now. The reason I like Keon White, and I've

1520
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: said this about some of the other players they've drafted. Yeah,

1521
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: six ' five, two eighty three. They have him as

1522
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: the the composite athletic grade that they give based on

1523
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 1: all combine testing. He ranked fourth among edge rushers. Really

1524
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: like upper echeline. He's very wrong, he admitted on the call.

1525
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: He's like, you admit on the call that night. My

1526
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,839
Speaker 1: technique needs to be better. He's only been playing defensive

1527
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: end for three years. He was a tight end at

1528
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: Old Dominion, played tight end there for one year, moved

1529
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: to defensive end, played there another year at defensive end,

1530
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: sat out the COVID year, transferred to Georgia Tech, played

1531
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: as a reserve defensive end two years ago, and then

1532
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: last year had the breakout year. When I look at

1533
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: a guy like that and people go, oh, why did

1534
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,839
Speaker 1: they get a guy that like can't play the position.

1535
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: There are guys who've been playing defensive end their entire lives.

1536
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: He's been doing it three years and he still got

1537
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: drafted ahead of a lot of them. The progress he's

1538
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: made in three years. This is a guy that, in

1539
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: everything he said about the work ethic and all that,

1540
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: clearly a quick learner guy that's going to pick things up.

1541
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: He checks every single box of the things he can't coach.

1542
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: They just got to get him in the lab with

1543
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: Joe kim basically.

1544
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: And if they do that and and and Covington.

1545
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: And DeMarcus Covington as well, well, I'm because I'm thinking

1546
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: of like the hands Joe Kim, al.

1547
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: He's got it. He has right now. Kean White has

1548
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: no pass rush plan, No, he has none. He just

1549
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: he's just gonna come off the ball. He's gonna put

1550
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 2: his big mits into you and he's gonna try to

1551
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: push you.

1552
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: He wins purely power. That's what he does. But that's it.

1553
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: He has all of the tools to become a guy

1554
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: who can be a problem off the edge. It's just

1555
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: getting him there. Like you said, Demarkt, this is a

1556
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: bet on DeMarcus Covington. That's what this pick is. And

1557
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: it's it's a guy I bet on, certainly. But again

1558
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: I give the Trey Flowers comp Like I think worst

1559
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: case scenario, key On White is big enough and strong

1560
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: enough that He's gonna set the edge in the run

1561
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: game and maybe against mobile quarterbacks, help keep them in

1562
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: the pocket. It's baseline. Which second round pick for a

1563
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: guy like that, I don't know, but like that's a

1564
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: useful player.

1565
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: It's a useful player, especially if they're going in the

1566
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: direction I think they're going in.

1567
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: But then to build, like why I'm excited about Kean White?

1568
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: When you texted me the night of the draft, you

1569
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: hated it? Yep, you weren't you based? Tell me if

1570
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. You weren't looking at the ceiling. You saw

1571
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: him for who he is, not who he can be.

1572
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely was looking at what his film was now.

1573
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 2: And I would also just say I was thinking, like

1574
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: I tried to get at earlier. I was thinking, like

1575
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 2: where is where's the explosiveness off the line, Like how

1576
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: does when josh u j is not here in a year, right,

1577
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: how does this help them replace josh U?

1578
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:26,799
Speaker 1: I think you were about that in here.

1579
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: And I also just think I was thinking about it wrong.

1580
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: No, he's not. And that's the thing. He's that in

1581
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: a way. That was my initial instinct, And he's a

1582
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: josh u Ja replacement if anything, And it's still not

1583
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: a one for one. It's Anthony Jennings replacement. Yeah, he's

1584
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: on that side.

1585
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: He's a probably more naturally a hand in the dirt player, yeah,

1586
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: than a stand up guy. But he's a more athletic,

1587
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: more hopefully more explosive, more upside all those types of things.

1588
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: But what he can do right now for them, yeah,

1589
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,480
Speaker 2: is hold up the strong side, right, hold up blockers.

1590
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: And there's not gonna be many guys that can just

1591
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: outpower them, right.

1592
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have you know, just in theory, you're

1593
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 2: gonna have probably the Joneses to his side, right, because

1594
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: the tight end will be over there. You'll probably have

1595
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 2: the Joneses to his side. You're gonna have somebody whether

1596
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 2: it's Dugger or Jalen Mills or whoever, playing that tight

1597
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: end stopper type role. You have Bentley as the mic,

1598
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: You're gonna have Mapu on the weak side, and you're

1599
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: gonna have Judon as the weak side edge rusher, right

1600
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: because he's gonna away from the tight end. And just

1601
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 2: let jus you have any napkins over there with your

1602
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,879
Speaker 2: sandwich or something I can write on No, Ju Judon's

1603
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: roles was and then obviously Christian Zales on the boundary

1604
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: against the X. What excites me the most about this

1605
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: is one it becomes more dynamic of the second level,

1606
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: which I think, which is what I was getting out

1607
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: with the whole map. Who thing if free Judon is

1608
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: now gonna have like fifteen sacks again next year because

1609
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: he's not gonna have any double teams or anything like

1610
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 2: that on early downs, He's just gonna They're gonna allow

1611
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: you On to just tee off right because he's not

1612
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of those edge responsibilities. And I'm

1613
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 2: not trying to pick on anybody, but it gets the

1614
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: Jilani to Viz and the Jwan Bentley's more in it

1615
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: either a natural spot or just less playing time, quite frankly,

1616
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 2: and I just think that that's where they need to get.

1617
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: And I put all these pieces together, and I think

1618
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 2: the two the two biggest things. If Marty Mapu can't

1619
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: do it, if he's not an NFL player, he doesn't

1620
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 2: want to pick doesn't pan out. I do think that

1621
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 2: they could probably accomplish some of the same things with

1622
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: an Adrian Phillips, which cut with a Kyle Duggar, even

1623
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 2: with the Jabiel Peppers right that that he can do.

1624
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: So if he can't do it, then then we have

1625
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: some alternatives. If this really has the potential to be

1626
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: like the best defense in the league on paper, just

1627
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: the way we just mapped it out, if Christian Gonzalez

1628
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: is as good as we think he is, right, because

1629
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is going to have no help over there, Like.

1630
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: The idea is you're you're playing ten on ten.

1631
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian Gonzalez is going to be on the backside

1632
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 2: on the boundary against the X receiver. He's probably gonna

1633
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 2: have post safety help in the middle of the field.

1634
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: And that's about it.

1635
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: Give it pece of paper.

1636
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 2: Let's let's chart this sun that's an actual piece. Well,

1637
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: we'll do this later so that that's where I'm at

1638
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: with this defense. That's why I just really got me.

1639
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 2: Once I connected all this in my head, I was like,

1640
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this could be really great. But it's

1641
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 2: a draft, so all these all these guys got to

1642
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: pan out right. But I think the beauty is is

1643
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 2: that Christian Gonzales and theory has that ability. And Keon White,

1644
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: I think personally his floor is already what I'm trying

1645
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: to describe. And obviously the pass rush upside that becomes gravy,

1646
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: Like if he can do any of those things and

1647
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: that becomes great, I think. But at the bottom line

1648
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: is is that he can be that strong side edge player,

1649
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 2: and whether it's in a in a tilt, whether it's

1650
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: like a four to three, whether it's you know, they

1651
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: play that that role at three four where they have

1652
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 2: the stand up linebacker kind of as the fourth defensive

1653
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 2: end on the field. Like, however, they can figure it

1654
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: from an alignment standpoint, I don't think it's really that

1655
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: to me is semantics, Like they'll figure that piece of

1656
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: it out and.

1657
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 1: They'll probably do a little bit of all ultimately.

1658
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I really think that that's sort of the

1659
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: bottom line of where they're going with this defense. And

1660
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, like that gets me a little

1661
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: bit hot in bottle. So that's one of that thing

1662
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: real potential.

1663
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: That's one other thing i'd add. And yeah, I like

1664
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: the way you kind of mapped it out there, And yeah,

1665
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: I think key On White takes Anthony Jennings and or

1666
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: Cheloni to buy off the field. Yeah, this defense is

1667
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: going to be complex. This is not going to be

1668
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: a simple never was going to be you know, all

1669
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: right man cover two, Cover three, you know, buzz, there

1670
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: is going to be layers to this, and we saw

1671
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: them do it late last year. Kind of get to

1672
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: some of that. Remember we were talking about how they

1673
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: were kind of Joe burrowt some trouble with it, Josh

1674
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: Allen had some trouble with it. It feels like they

1675
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: saw that and said, all right, how can we add

1676
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: even more layers to this?

1677
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the most important thing is that

1678
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 2: you got the key on white piece of it is

1679
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: important because you're you're gonna have to stop the run

1680
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 2: with five guys. Yeah, because Mapu will help if he

1681
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 2: if he hits a ceiling, like, he'll definitely help. But

1682
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 2: he's he's he's a downhill trigger type player, right, so

1683
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 2: if he sees it and he can fire downhill into

1684
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: the gap and blow the guy up on the way

1685
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: to the ball, he can do those types of things,

1686
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 2: but he's gonna get engulfed, like, you have to keep

1687
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: him clean and so kean White, Christian Barmore, probably Godshaw,

1688
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: probably Dietrich Wise rotating in as well. Those guys are

1689
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to do their their jobs of keeping of

1690
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: keeping things clean up front like that, those guys gonna

1691
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 2: have to take on blocks. They're gonna have to eat

1692
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 2: up blockers, they're gonna have to occupy, and they're gonna

1693
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: have to let the safeties and Mapu just run right.

1694
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 2: And that to me is is that's the roadmap to

1695
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: beat Josh Allen. And I think that more than anything

1696
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: we talked about Patrick Mahomes, I mentioned Jalen Hurts. Just

1697
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 2: because the Eagles are on the schedule, the Patriots had

1698
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: to have gone into this draft thinking, if we don't

1699
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: compete better against Buffalo, then we're screwed. We're screwed. We're

1700
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: not gonna win the division. So they got their number

1701
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: one corner. They they got the missing pieces, I think,

1702
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 2: to the front seven. And now they have on paper,

1703
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 2: if the philosophical change and all that argument that we

1704
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: were talking, if they're willing to do all that, then

1705
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 2: they have on paper a way to better defend Josh Allen.

1706
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: And ultimately that's the name of the game right.

1707
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: Now, not just shush that just the mobile quarterbacks. You

1708
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: don't have to make it about him, the mobile, make

1709
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: it about made anybody. I made it about him, just

1710
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: and I tried to to as long as I could

1711
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: ignore that it's it is about him, No, it's about

1712
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: the kinds of quarterbacks that are coming into this league. Yes,

1713
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: it's not just him.

1714
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: But he's in your division. They're not doing this is

1715
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. They're not doing this for Aaron Rodgers.

1716
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers runs around a lot, not in the same way,

1717
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: but he does.

1718
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: I think they you know, they look at those games.

1719
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: You know, obviously the first one against Buffalo. They let's

1720
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: face it, they got blowed out in that game, but

1721
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: that was a lot of that was because the offense.

1722
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: That was sort of the tipping point and the boiling

1723
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 2: over point for the offense. But even the game in Buffalo,

1724
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: and I don't totally disagree, but even the game in Buffalo,

1725
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, a lot of people make that out like, oh,

1726
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: nahem Heines doesn't return those if Deem Heins doesn't return

1727
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: those kicks, and Josh Allen has two more possessions and

1728
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 2: who knows what he does with them? Right Like he

1729
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: could go mar March right down the field and score

1730
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: both times too. And the bottom line is in the

1731
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: second half, they couldn't stop him. They couldn't stop him.

1732
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: So a lot of this stuff I think is is

1733
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: really exciting, and you know the piece of it. I

1734
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 2: would just say not to not to scapegoat them or

1735
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 2: not to you know, let them off the hook, I

1736
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 2: guess is a better way to put it. Not to

1737
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 2: let them off the hook for not going after more

1738
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: skilled players in this draft. But I do recognize that

1739
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 2: maybe they couldn't do it all in this draft, and

1740
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: now they kind of have the defense figured out and

1741
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: maybe twenty twenty four is the year that they worry

1742
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 2: about the offense. I do think that that recognizes as well,

1743
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Let's see how Mac rebounds and let's see what what

1744
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Bill Brian does with him, and then maybe invest more

1745
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: in the offense. So there you go. We just mapped

1746
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: out the defense.

1747
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: Yep, I special teams.

1748
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: We'd have to do specialties. We also have some calls

1749
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: callscreen light lit up after we got down this this

1750
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: rabbit hole of of these defense. So let's let's take

1751
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 2: these calls real quick and then I'll let you go

1752
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 2: off about a specialists. All right, all right, Raj? Thanks?

1753
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was on hold for like forty minutes.

1754
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: That's our fault. What's up? Noah? How you doing they good.

1755
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 7: I was wondering if you guys would consider doing your

1756
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 7: own redraft where you kind of take the picks that

1757
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 7: they had and say who you would pick at those picks,

1758
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 7: and then I of them, maybe like a year from now,

1759
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 7: revisit and see how you guys did compared to Bill.

1760
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 7: I don't know if that's something you're allowed to do

1761
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 7: or not, but just how to throw.

1762
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 5: It out there.

1763
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be fun. Thanks Noah for the call.

1764
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: I guess now that we have the hindsight of knowing

1765
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 2: how everybody comes off the board on the board who

1766
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: is on the board, is have like a mock draft

1767
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 2: where we're just kind of guessing who was on the board.

1768
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 2: That might be a fun, like once it really dies

1769
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: down here, a little bit off season thing, but the

1770
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 2: next couple of weeks we got media availabilities. Ota is

1771
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: coming up. But yeah, I like the idea we could

1772
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: we could maybe try to do something like that. All right, Todd,

1773
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: what's up?

1774
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 4: Hey, Mike? Is a little bit where he went over

1775
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 4: each player group and kive whether it stayed the same,

1776
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 4: got better or worse. I like you guys to do that.

1777
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 4: And one of the things that shocked me was he

1778
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 4: kind of thought that the running back group got worse.

1779
01:24:58,640 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 5: And I really.

1780
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 4: Don't see much change in the running back We still

1781
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 4: have Romandre and our guy that was supposed to be

1782
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 4: our third down receiving guy is gonna come off of

1783
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 4: the injury list that we got him there too. So anyway,

1784
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 4: I think that would be an interesting thing to do,

1785
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 4: just go over the groups like he did and say

1786
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 4: whether it's the same, better or worse.

1787
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks tod.

1788
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do that real quick.

1789
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: I like that. Maybe do that next week next week?

1790
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 2: All right, we save that for next week because we're

1791
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: running out of time and that we know we're gonna

1792
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: take two hours to do that, so let's do that

1793
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: next week. I love that idea. And now we're starting

1794
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: to get into like some of the real offseason shows,

1795
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 2: so begin to have something like that to do. Give

1796
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: me your takes on the specialists.

1797
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: So I think they did well in terms of trading

1798
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: up for Chad Ryland and taking where they did. Yeah,

1799
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 1: they played the game. The Niners took Jake Moody ninety nine. Yeah,

1800
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: kickers are going. It's like in your fantasy football draft, right,

1801
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 1: nobody want to take a defense high, but one person's

1802
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: going to and then everybody has to start taking defenses

1803
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: because they're going. So I don't think they took Chad

1804
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Ryland too high. Love his background, five year starter, four

1805
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: years at Eastern Michigan, you Splinty Michigan. The conditions are

1806
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: not ideal for kicking. Not great at Maryland either. You know,

1807
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the biggest leg in the draft. And look,

1808
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: I think they probably would have liked Dev Moody. He

1809
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: might have gone higher than they expected. But the thing

1810
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: about Ryland, he's really good from forty nine and in.

1811
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: He's one of these guys. When I say the intermediate,

1812
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't mean he's bad in the short game, but

1813
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: nobody really care. Like, yeah, of course he's good from

1814
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: nineteen to thirty yards. Everybody's good from nineteen to thirty yards.

1815
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: He's a guy that.

1816
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 2: He's not gonna say it. Another kicker they drafted was

1817
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: not good anyware fair.

1818
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Look, he's maybe not as good from fifty plus as

1819
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: some other kickers in this draft, but his like thirty

1820
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: to forty nine is impeccable. And for people who want

1821
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: them to be more aggressive on offense, that might be

1822
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: a sign that they're not as worried about kicking fifty

1823
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: yard field goals because they're gonna go for it in

1824
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: those situations, right, I hope. So I like that pick

1825
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: Bryce Berenger. I thought they would like I like I

1826
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: thought they would like Corsic. There were three good punters

1827
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: in this draft. They end up with the consensus all

1828
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: American and Bearrenger, big leg. He's one of these super

1829
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: mathy kickers where like he goes into the launch angle

1830
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: and the exit veilosophy of velocity. Yeah, and the the

1831
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: rotations per minute.

1832
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: And things like that.

1833
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: Well, Jake Bailey did that.

1834
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 2: My guess is that he won't go into that type

1835
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 2: of stuff with the media.

1836
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: So no, no, well, I don't think I'm gonna try.

1837
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask about it.

1838
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 2: I don't know how public that's really gonna get, but yeah,

1839
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1840
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: Look, I think he's he's a good player. He's got

1841
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: a big leg too. They like punters like that, and

1842
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: then even going down to a mere speed might be

1843
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: able to play some corner in the NFL. He transferred

1844
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: from Georgia, and I don't fault guys for not getting

1845
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: on the field at Georgia because it's Georgia Yea had

1846
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: a decent year Michigan State last year. But he's like

1847
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: a He's gonna be an excellent special teams coverage guy.

1848
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden, He's listed a corner if he's gonna play

1849
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 1: on defense. Actually think he might be a safety. But

1850
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: is another guy that's going to be a standout checks

1851
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: all the box on special teams some of the other

1852
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: guys they drafted. I don't I know, you don't want

1853
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: to hear this. Marte Maphu. Look, whatever they end up

1854
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: having him do on defense, he's gonna play special teams

1855
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: and he's going to be very good at.

1856
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: So Marii Mapu. If he doesn't pan out on defense

1857
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: at the very least, will be a great so.

1858
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: My floor for him, and this is the absolute floor.

1859
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: This is the worst case scenario. Is Nate Ebner. Yeah,

1860
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Nate Ebner was an amazing special teams I know nobody

1861
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: wants him to be that guy. But you get what

1862
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1863
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 2: You're lucky that the other people aren't in this room

1864
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: right now.

1865
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: They would have lost.

1866
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: I know that's what I mean. I want to put

1867
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 2: words in his mouth, But Paul thinks he's basically going

1868
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: to be a special team.

1869
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: You get my point, Thoughe, but look, they they revamped

1870
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: the special teams unit, which needed to be revamped. So

1871
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: to that extent, I think they did. They did well.

1872
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: Do we have to wrap it up right now because

1873
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the two thoughts on the UDF phase.

1874
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Uh No, But I have one question for you. Uh

1875
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 2: does Ryland And I know you s yeah, but I

1876
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: know you said the fifty. I think the biggest thing

1877
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: with ry with with Folk last year. Yeah, like he

1878
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: just at the end of the season, his theleg was

1879
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: just dead, right, Like does Ryland? Is Ryland more of

1880
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: a weapon? Like I'm not saying he's justin Tucker, but like,

1881
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 2: is he is he more of that? Like you know,

1882
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 2: once he crossed the fifty, like, you have a pretty

1883
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: good chance of kicking this ball through, especially in the weather, right,

1884
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: I think that's you know, we know he kicked at

1885
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: Maryland and was I think he was at Eastern.

1886
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Michigan, Michigan for four years.

1887
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's kicking the weather. I'm not worried about that.

1888
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: But more what I'm worried about is range and and

1889
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 2: just does he have that ability to be a weapon

1890
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 2: where you know, three seconds left in the game and

1891
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 2: you got as far as you could. But here, you know,

1892
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: you're trying to line up for the field goal. It's

1893
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 2: fifty four or fifty three yards out? Like is he

1894
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 2: that type of guy?

1895
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: So he has and I'm trying to add up the

1896
01:29:54,920 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: total total number here, Uh he hang on twenty six

1897
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 1: thirty six or seven three three, nine four nine, fifty

1898
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: nine fifty two two six is forty six forty five?

1899
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: All right, so he has fortieth on your home Yes.

1900
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: I know he has forty one attempts from forty nine

1901
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: yards and then in the last three years, forty nine

1902
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: attempts he hit forty seven of them.

1903
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's money.

1904
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: So he's that's it. Like he's not. But if it's

1905
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: a thing where like do we try the fifty three

1906
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: yard field goal or do we try to run one

1907
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: more play you might lean towards running one more playoff

1908
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have the biggest like, but when you

1909
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: get in his range, you're gonna feel pretty good about it.

1910
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: Like you're not what once you're within range, you're not

1911
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: gonna sweat it. Like there's some guys in the draft

1912
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: so and other people kicker people liked was Jack Pizlusny

1913
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: from Georgia. In this class, Jack Plusney can hit a

1914
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: fifty five to fifty six yard field goal, but you

1915
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: not all the time, but like he can.

1916
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 2: Do it, he's inconsistent.

1917
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: But right forty five is gonna feel like fifty five.

1918
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 1: They feel kind of the same. You're gonna feel really

1919
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: good about Chad rolland from forty five. You're not gonna

1920
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 1: feel great at fifty five. But again, I don't think

1921
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: they care. I think they're more interested in, well, let's

1922
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: get in his range. Then that's basically what they've been

1923
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 1: with Nick fo exactly exactly. It's the same philosophy behind

1924
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: Nick Fole.

1925
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just one last thing. These two guys were

1926
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl together. Yes, and there are some

1927
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: pictures out there of Barringer holding for Ryland I. One

1928
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 2: of the things that I didn't really recognize until I

1929
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 2: started covering the team. It's it's kind of interesting in

1930
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 2: a way, and this is like really niche So I

1931
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 2: don't think this is more of the U story, if anything,

1932
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 2: but those three guys the snapper, the holder, and the kicker,

1933
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 2: and that they end up being the long snapper, the punter,

1934
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 2: and the kicker. Obviously, those three guys are like the

1935
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:51,839
Speaker 2: three amigos during the football season, Joe Cardona, Jake Bailey

1936
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,919
Speaker 2: and Folk. Let's just say on the whole writer polarity.

1937
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: When those guys are like glued at the hip, Yeah,

1938
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: they go, They're like a little three musketeer. They go

1939
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 2: team within the team, they go everywhere together. Yeah, and

1940
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: so I think that that's gonna go.

1941
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: When I covered college football, there was a joke that

1942
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: when the punter and long snapper went out for punts,

1943
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the kicker got lonely.

1944
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1945
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess here they have Matthew Matthew Slater's

1946
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of an area call keep Ryland company.

1947
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 2: But that's gonna be the interesting thing I think is

1948
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 2: that whole for the most part, that that whole operation

1949
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: has been pretty clean. Yeah, and it'll be interesting to

1950
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: see now that it changes pretty dramatically. It's two thirds,

1951
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 2: yeah that you know how that all goes. And plus

1952
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 2: if it's two rookies, right, you know how that all goes.

1953
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 3: Well.

1954
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: The fact they've worked even if it's a little bit,

1955
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: and they it sounded like they worked together a little

1956
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: bit before the Senior Bowl as well. The kicking camps

1957
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, there's value in that, and and I

1958
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: don't know that there's like long term value in that.

1959
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: But you mentioned the last kicker they drafted. He had

1960
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: an adjustment period, and that could have been any number

1961
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: of things. But a lot of the times for young kickers,

1962
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, you got to you got to tell the

1963
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 1: holder exactly how you want the ball. And by the way,

1964
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: it's not I want the ball like this, it's on

1965
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: this hash from this yardage. I want it like this,

1966
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: on this hash from this yardage like this. When it's windy,

1967
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: I want it like that. And then that turns into

1968
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: the holder then goes to the long snapper and says,

1969
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: all right, in this situation, put the ball here. In

1970
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: this situation, put the ball here, Snap it harder here,

1971
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: snap it softer there.

1972
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 2: So that's my guy. Joe Houston, Patriots assistant special team

1973
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 2: right coach tends to do a lot of that.

1974
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: So when you have two guys that already know, right,

1975
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: Bryce Berenger knows Chad Ryland wants the ball like this,

1976
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: like this, like this, that's a whole that's like they'll

1977
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 1: spend a week on that. That's probably this week it's

1978
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: the first week on the field. That's like a whole week.

1979
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: It's a whole big thing you just don't have to

1980
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: really do now. Joe Cardona still got to get on

1981
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the same page with both of them, because it's the

1982
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: same for punters, Like, all right, if we're on this hash,

1983
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: I want to hear if we're trying to do this kick,

1984
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I want to hear. But that you talk about hitting

1985
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: the ground rolling, making easy for a rookie. Yeah, I

1986
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: think that makes it really easy.

1987
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: Marian, did you expect to do ten minutes on the Kickers?

1988
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 2: He's totally tuned out. I love it absolutely, Kickers, I

1989
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 2: absolutely love it. All right, uh Udfa's you have one

1990
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 2: minute because I'm gonna kick us out if we if

1991
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 2: we don't rap soon, so, uh Malie Cunningham, I think

1992
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: is maybe we talk about him a little bit more

1993
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks, once we get out

1994
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: there and see these guys in OTAs. But there's something

1995
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 2: there in terms of the athletic ability and the ball

1996
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: carrying skill. I don't know how they use it. I

1997
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 2: don't know if they use it. I don't know if

1998
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 2: it matters at all. I don't know if he's Jamar

1999
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: Smith or he's a real player, right, Like I I

2000
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 2: don't know, but the one thing I can say about

2001
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 2: Malie Cunningham is that it would be nice to have

2002
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 2: him around as a scout team quarterback. Like that's like

2003
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 2: the bottom base line is that when they play the

2004
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,560
Speaker 2: quarter Jalen Hurts right when the Eagles are on the schedule.

2005
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: This is the guy you want. Marte Mapu chasing and

2006
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 1: proc yes so.

2007
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 2: And hopefully running right through him. No, just kidding, don't

2008
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:51,759
Speaker 2: hit the quarterback.

2009
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: I look Cunningham. First of all, they didn't get Lamar Jackson,

2010
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: but they did get the guy that replaced him at Louisville.

2011
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: That's how long Elie Cunningham has been there. Experienced guy. Yeah,

2012
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: he's different when he has the ball in his hands. Yeah,

2013
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys that just kind of like

2014
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: to Mario Douglas from Marcus Jones, he look different. The

2015
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: report from NFL dot Com that he's open to changing

2016
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: positions is fascinating to me because I've never seen the

2017
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: guy run around. I've never seen the guy runner out.

2018
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like I just I want the

2019
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. I want the ball in his

2020
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: hands out of it.

2021
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 2: I understand and that you and all of like dark

2022
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Patriots Twitter, like the deep Patriots Twitter people, I feel

2023
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 2: in the same way. I just I would like the

2024
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 2: Patriots as as a team offensively to have receivers receive,

2025
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: and running backs run and tight ends catch and block.

2026
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 2: Like okay, oh my god, Like let's just use people

2027
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 2: where they're supposed to play, because we have good enough

2028
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 2: people that we don't need to make Malie Cunningham a thing.

2029
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Well, okay, like, how long was Edelman's development? It's like

2030
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: three years? Yeah, right, Maybe it's not this year, but

2031
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: he's gonna stick around. Maybe it's just a scout team quarterback.

2032
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just.

2033
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: Something like the squad scout team quarterback and if they

2034
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 2: want to work out on the off on the side

2035
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 2: on receiving drills and stuff like that.

2036
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: But I'll say is he's a very experienced guy. He's

2037
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: a highly intelligent guy. Yeah, he's different as a ball carrier.

2038
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: They did, let's not forget, they did try to do

2039
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: this last year. They signed to Eric King as u

2040
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 1: DFA who had played both his quarterback and receiver. He

2041
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: is better than Derek k Well, Derek King never got

2042
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: hurt and like didn't make it to the spring. I

2043
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: think they're they're gonna try him at something now. He

2044
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 1: did also play No, no, no, I want you to

2045
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: take that back right now. Don't get that's so insulting

2046
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: to Malie Cunningham. He is another Can we just have

2047
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 1: Danny is closer to me athletically that he is Timnner.

2048
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: You just have a team for once offensively, where putting

2049
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones on offense isn't like the greatest thing. We

2050
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 2: just have guys that are just.

2051
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: Build it around him. I'm not saying build it around him.

2052
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a thing. By the way, he

2053
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: played defensive back at a high level in high school too,

2054
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: So I.

2055
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 2: Don't know what so now So now he's Julianetel.

2056
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: No, he's no. I'm just saying they can put him.

2057
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see him A bunch of we

2058
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: might not see it. Might be what they're doing. They

2059
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: were in the close practices. Yeah, quarterback, running back, receiver,

2060
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: defensive back, special teams. Like, my god, they're gonna try

2061
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: him everywhere because he's such a good athlete. He's so smart.

2062
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 2: I hear you.

2063
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: Why not.

2064
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 2: I don't. There is no reason to why not. I

2065
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 2: keep on going.

2066
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,799
Speaker 1: You just hate fun and you don't want to talk about.

2067
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 2: Keep on going. Back to the same point of like,

2068
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots need to get to a point where we're

2069
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:32,839
Speaker 2: not counting on Malie.

2070
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they're casually being something, but I'm not

2071
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 1: saying counting.

2072
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 2: They are not. Internally I doubt they are. I'm talking

2073
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 2: about and I'm sorry. I don't need to pick on

2074
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: the fans, but I'm talking like this is like Jeff

2075
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 2: Thomas to me.

2076
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: Right, Like it's like Jeff Thomas.

2077
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 2: No, No, Kashan but is better than Jeff Thomas.

2078
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: I know it's closer.

2079
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 2: No, I'm just like Kyshean. But is Malcolm Mitchell here?

2080
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Listen, you don't need to get don't get your hopes

2081
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 1: of from Alie Cunningham, who knows what it becomes. But

2082
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 1: it's a really good signing.

2083
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 2: You're not gonna have to worry about me, I know.

2084
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: So you get a he's gonna win a Super Bowl MVP,

2085
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be sitting here saying I can't believe

2086
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: we had to spend that off season talking about him.

2087
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 2: Just again. Jalen had some.

2088
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: He's just a really smart, really athletic guy. The more

2089
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: of those guys you have around the building, the better.

2090
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 1: That being said, I do think they're gonna extend the

2091
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: udf A streak this year. I don't think it's gonna

2092
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: be him, because, like you said, I think he's a

2093
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 1: practice squad guy. Yeah, I think it's gonna be Johnny Lumpkin,

2094
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: the tight end. Yeah, six six, two sixty six athletic guy.

2095
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: Not really, I thought he was athletic. Has he has

2096
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: like fourteen career catches in three years. Yeah, doesn't mean alright,

2097
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: he's a he's a really good block he's big. Yeah,

2098
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: he's big. Now, I think they might like Scotty Washington. Yeah,

2099
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the battle for the third tight end.

2100
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 2: But the battle Scotty Washington versus Camp Johnny Lumpkin. And again,

2101
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like that sounds like a name that

2102
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 2: Bill makes up when he's like Johnny from Foxborough High

2103
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: can make this play. Sounds like the name Felger and

2104
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 2: Mass makeup. Yeah, or they got Johnny Lumpkin out there

2105
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 2: playing tight end. But no, he's a big guy. He's

2106
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 2: a blocker.

2107
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: You remember guy named Michael Williams.

2108
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember Michael Williams.

2109
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 1: That's the cop to me. Mike always played tackle in

2110
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: Alabama's a tackle. I think Johnny Lumpket. They're gonna have

2111
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: him put on fifteen twenty pounds of muscle. They're gonna

2112
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 1: get him up to like two seventy two seventy five.

2113
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the blocking half of Darnell Washington basically.

2114
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 2: Okay, look, if that's what he is, then they could

2115
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 2: use that player.

2116
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna catch like ten passes his whole career. Remember,

2117
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: and look, they didn't use this player, right, But remember

2118
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 1: with Dwayne Allen.

2119
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 2: I've never on video for this episode because like the

2120
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 2: two of us are just laughing through this right now.

2121
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Remember what Dwayne Allen was here, and I think they

2122
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: mis used Dwayne all But they threw him like ten

2123
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: passes the whole two years time.

2124
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: Just he'd be wide opening the flat and Brady just

2125
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't even look at him.

2126
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna why, I'm gonna throw the ball

2127
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 1: to that guard? What do you want me to do?

2128
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: But you know, for what he was, he's actually bigger

2129
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: than I remember, six four to two sixty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was like the block he got in.

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Speaker 1: Two years here in uh twenty nine games, he was

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Speaker 1: targeted twenty six times. Oh my god, that's just that's

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Speaker 1: what Johnny Lumpkin is gonna be. Johnny love, but I

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Speaker 1: actually like his chances to make the team.

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Speaker 2: I do, all right, So there you have it that

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Speaker 2: we went Johnny Lumpkin deep in this podcast. So that's

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Speaker 2: how you know what you've been listening to Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Alex and I will be back next week. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: do I love that idea from Todd to North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna go through the whole roster, position by position,

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Speaker 2: what got better, what got worse, Maybe talk about some

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Speaker 2: of the fifty three man projections and roster battles that

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Speaker 2: we're looking forward to, and not before long. I don't

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Speaker 2: think we have an exact date yet of when media

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Speaker 2: availability start.

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Speaker 1: We don't know which ones we're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we usually get like what three or four late,

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Speaker 2: So we'll have plenty of content coming here on Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two. So keep it right here next Thursday,

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Speaker 2: same time, same place. Thanks for listening for Alex Bartham,

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