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Speaker 1: Hi, Gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The You Made Me, You Made

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Speaker 1: Me a Believer Believer addition, as the Bengals strengthened the

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Speaker 1: roster by signing free agent tight end IRV Smith Junior,

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Speaker 1: his decision came down to two teams, Miami and Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear why he chose the Bengals instead of the Dolphins. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to Trey Hendrickson on watching his alma mater

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Speaker 1: FAU make it to the Final four. And I'll chat

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Speaker 1: with the retiring Cincinnati sportscaster George Vogel on forty years

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Speaker 1: of covering the Bengals. Finally, it's the fifth edition of

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Speaker 1: our NFL Expert Mock draft as Austin Gael from The

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since new rules in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. Jeff Passon from ESPN calls it baseball liposuction.

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Speaker 1: In other words, they are removing some of the fat.

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball is added a pitch clock to speed

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Speaker 1: up play, made the base is bigger to encourage more

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Speaker 1: stolen base attempts, and band lopsided in field shifts. Now

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Speaker 1: teams must have two infielders on each side of second base,

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Speaker 1: which will result in more hits. The sum total should

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Speaker 1: mean more action in less time. Spring training games were

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Speaker 1: nearly a half hour shorter this year than last year.

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Speaker 1: Football remains king in this country and that's not going

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Speaker 1: to change. But here's hoping baseball is more watchable than

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Speaker 1: it's been for at least a decade. Now, time for

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Speaker 1: my first guest. Irv Smith Junior signed a one year

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Speaker 1: contract of the Bengals on Thursday and is likely to

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Speaker 1: replace Haydon Hurst as Cincinnati's number one tight end depending

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Speaker 1: on what happens in the draft. The New Orleans native

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Speaker 1: he's not as big as Hurst, but he has great

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Speaker 1: He'll obviously give Joe Burrow another target in the passing game,

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Speaker 1: and he's five years younger than Hurst. I talked to

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Speaker 1: the newest Bengal shortly after three passed his physical inside.

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Speaker 1: I'm a dotted line, IRV. You are coming to a

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Speaker 1: That seems like the ideal combination for a free agent

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Speaker 1: to me. Is that the case? Yes, sir, it's UM.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge blessing. I'm excited for this opportunity. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know, Coach Taylor and and and the whole organization,

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Speaker 1: UM contribute anyway I can. So I'm just excited for

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Speaker 1: came down to Bengals and Dolphins. Is that accurate? Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a tough you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here to a tungkle Vlo was

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Speaker 1: How big was the Borough factor in coming here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Were chatting the Bengals tight end If Smith Junior. When

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Speaker 1: the Vikings drafted you back in twenty nineteen, you were

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Speaker 1: still only twenty four. Do you feel like you're just

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Speaker 1: getting started? Yes, sir, Yeah, it feels like you know, Um,

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Speaker 1: And um, I'm decided to get to work with him

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Speaker 1: to sign with Cincinnati, he tweeted Jeff for gift fight.

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Speaker 1: I never know how to pronounce it, but it was

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Speaker 1: know a few weeks, we're gonna we're gonna be ready

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Speaker 1: Irv Smith Senior was an NFL tight end for seven years.

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Speaker 1: How has that impacted your path to the NFL. It's

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Speaker 1: impacted me tremendously. Um, just in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm still living my dreams. He didn't let you play

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Speaker 1: it happens here at work with co workers. It's just

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00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: when you're around people a lot, there's gonna you're gonna

426
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 1: rub somebody the wrong way. They're gonna react, maybe the

427
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: way they wish they hadn't down the road. Uh, it happens.

428
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: But I just think you treat them the way you

429
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: would want to be treated, and you respect them. You

430
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: don't act like, hey, you did this and you're just

431
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: a miserable football player. No, They're out there doing their best,

432
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: and I just want to treat them the way I

433
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: think anyone would want to be treated, and that's in

434
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: a respectful way. I'm glad you said that, because one

435
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: thing that I've always said is the worst player who

436
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: has ever put on a uniform is infinitely better than

437
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: I ever dreamed of being. So they deserve our respect. Yes,

438
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: And I was just down at the red scrimmage a

439
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: little bit ago watching that, and I'm just thinking about

440
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: the stuff they hear. And you know, they had a

441
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: hundred losses last year, terrible season for the Reds. But again,

442
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: the worst player on that team is a darn good

443
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: athlete and a darn goood baseball player. And to navigate

444
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: your way through you know, high school sports, college sports,

445
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: minor leagues and you get to the major league level,

446
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: you're pretty darn good. Yeah, you know, you can say, oh,

447
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: come on, and there's gonna be frustrations and booze. But

448
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: to to ride a guy in a way that's just,

449
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, not the way you would ever want to

450
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: be treated. I think it's just wrong. And I hate

451
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: to see these athletes when they have to snap back,

452
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: and you see it a lot in basketball because the

453
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: crowd's on top of them where they're throwing drinks at

454
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: them and that. But I understand their frustration hearing that

455
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: from some guy who you know, couldn't make a free

456
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: throw if you gave him a hundred tries. George, will

457
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: you dabble in broadcasting in some way, shape or form.

458
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, And people have asked me that, and

459
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna get

460
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: through this surgery kind of clear my head for a

461
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: few months and then see what is out there, what

462
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: would interest me. I wouldn't be shocked. I'm not saying,

463
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not shutting the door to everything forever.

464
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: In fact, I've told him here, you know, if they

465
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: need help down the road or something happens, and it's

466
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: just like, you know, what's going on WCPO having Popovich

467
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: help out on the opening day parade. I could see

468
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: myself doing things like that if they ever wanted me

469
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: to do it. And you know, I certainly still enjoy it.

470
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: In fact, you know, it seems like since I set

471
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: a date to retire, it's almost like I've been enjoying

472
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: it more sometimes. And I've just been able to loosen

473
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: up a little bit, I guess because you know, you

474
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: know that, you know, not that I'm saying, hey, what

475
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: are they gonna do? Fire me? But yeah, it's just

476
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: been a lot more enjoyable knowing that, um, you know

477
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: that I can, I can maybe be myself a little more.

478
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: I tried to be that way all the way through,

479
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: but um, I really am enjoying it. And maybe it's

480
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: just because I know that there's little time left and

481
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: I better enjoy it if I like and I do,

482
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: I like it. We are visiting with George Vogel winding

483
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: up a great career at WLWT TV here in Cincinnati.

484
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: This is a Bengals podcast, so let's hit on some

485
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Bengals topics. You are from the small town and Georgetown,

486
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: Ohio populatian. I think a little less than five thousand.

487
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: What was it like for you to meet and get

488
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: to know Paul Brown? Oh my gosh, that's like one

489
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: of the best things ever. I you know, you grow

490
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: up knowing about the Cleveland Browns and him what happened there?

491
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: He comes to Cincinnati with the team starting in nineteen

492
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: sixty eight, and I was the first kid in Georgetown

493
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: with a Bengal sweatshirt. By the way, it was so funny.

494
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: My mom buys his staying and brings it home. And

495
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: this was like maybe summer of sixty seven, I can't remember,

496
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: but I'm wearing this Bengal sweatshirt at the We had

497
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: these nighttime softball games, adult softball games at the local school,

498
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: the local playground, and I'm up there and kids are

499
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: going Cincinnati Bengals. What is that? You know? I was

500
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: more than happy to tell hey, it's a football team

501
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: govern to Cincinnati. And then to see Paul Brown when

502
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: I got to meet him, and you know, he Paul

503
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: was in his later years and probably a lot more

504
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: mellow than he was. You know, some of the players

505
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: who had told me about him and how rough and

506
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: gruffy could be in demanding he was, but man, What

507
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: a gentleman and what a great guy. And he would

508
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: stand over there at Spinney Field and he knew me

509
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: from doing these high school football reports and he would

510
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: be asking me like, who's gonna win the Madara Indian

511
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Hill game this week and be laughing and then asking

512
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: about another team that he was familiar with. And that

513
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: was the thing that I mean he was. He was knowledgeable, funny,

514
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: funny as all get out, interesting but all you know,

515
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: he liked to have fun and he joked around about that.

516
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: I remember another time a local reporter was doing a

517
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: stand up over there, and this guy kind of screamed

518
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: a little bit when he did his stand ups. I

519
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: remember Paul stopping and looking at me and my photographer

520
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, who is he talking to? Whoever it

521
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: is they could hear him from here. It was so funny.

522
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: He was just it was amazing, like how you know,

523
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: it's this football legend and for him to be that

524
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: human and interact with us because he didn't have to

525
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: give us the time of day. It was interesting and

526
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: it was special and I got to do a probably

527
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: about two years before he passed away, I sat down

528
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: with him for a long interview inside Old Riverfront Stadium,

529
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: and he talked about everything his high school days and

530
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, he was a high school high jump champion

531
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: in Ohio and and telling me things that I had

532
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: no idea. And boy, he loved his sports. He loved

533
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: all of it, but football. He was a specially good at.

534
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: One of my regrets is that I got to Cincinnati

535
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: after he had passed away. I've read every book ever

536
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: written about him. I wish I could have met him,

537
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: But it's great to hear stories like that from you.

538
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: What kind of relationship do you have with Mike? It

539
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: seems pretty good, I think, I think. I mean, the

540
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: last time I talked with him, it was good. And

541
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: that's another guy that's funny that people wouldn't realize unless

542
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: you get a chance to talk to him like we

543
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: have that. That sense of humor is amazing, and he's sharp.

544
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do not want to try to

545
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: match wits with him every time I think I got

546
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: him on something. I remember asking him about not having

547
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: a general manager once and he pretty much knifed me

548
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: in a nice way. But it's like, oh my god,

549
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: I should have been ready for that. I mean, it

550
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. With a machete, and he was right.

551
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: And he's a sharp guy. He is a sharp guy.

552
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, our relationship is good. I thought he wouldn't

553
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: want to do this. We did a Bengals Brown special.

554
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: This is probably about six years ago, seven years ago,

555
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: and I asked if I could talk with Mike and

556
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: just talk about the old because you know, Mike really

557
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: only does his one thing on television, which is at

558
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: the pre training camp luncheon, and he he agreed to

559
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: do it. It was all about the history of the

560
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Bengals and Browns that he was amazing in that interview

561
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: talking about those old days and him remember and being

562
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: like a ball boy at training camp for the Browns

563
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: and you know Maryon Motley and Otto Graham and all

564
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: these old time greats that he was hanging out with

565
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: as a kid, and the influence that had on him

566
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: and boy, and he did not hold back on the

567
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: whole Art Model fire and his father situation at all.

568
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: He talked about how bitter it was, how much the

569
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: Bengals when Paul was alive, how much they enjoyed beating

570
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: the Browns and what it meant to them and everybody

571
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: in that organization knew it. Everyone the players knew it.

572
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Paul used to have that talk with him even when

573
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: he wasn't coaching, about how big of a deal it

574
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: was to beat the Cleveland Browns. And and you know,

575
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Mike was so good in that interview. So I think

576
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: our relationships pretty good. I don't ain't good enough, you know,

577
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: he would want me over for dinner, but I think

578
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: it's good. Who have been some of your favorite players

579
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: and coaches to interact with over the years. Oh gosh,

580
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Zach right now is awesome. And

581
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: you know I haven't been able to do a whole

582
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: lot with him, but just right away, his positive attitude

583
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I try to be optimistic that guy, you know,

584
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: he makes me look like schlep Ross. I mean, he

585
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: is so optimistic. And the first time I did a

586
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: one on one with him and he's given me these answers.

587
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: And you know, the Bengals were kind of in a

588
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: bad way and we're off to a bad start that season,

589
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: and he's given me all this positive stuff. So finally,

590
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're a half glass full guy. Right He's

591
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: like from the get go, I am total half class full.

592
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I get that, and I love that

593
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: about him. He's been great. Sam Weish was probably I

594
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: would have to say he would be the favorite because

595
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: he you know, he understood the media. He knew what

596
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: we had to do. When we had this Sunday night

597
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: show back in the eighties, and this is when I

598
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: was still working in the news department, but the sports

599
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: guys had this Sunday Night Bengal show during the season.

600
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Sam did magic tricks on that show, like they would

601
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: go down and record a segment with him at Spinney Field.

602
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Then later in the eighties are the this would have

603
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: been yeah, right, late eighties, early nineties, we did this

604
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: segment with him called Hey Sam, where we would go

605
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: get these questions on Mondays from fans about the previous

606
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: day's game. Then we would give him the questions on Wednesday.

607
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: He would answer and we would marry it up. It

608
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: looked like, you know, he was answering the fans question

609
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: right away. It was a fun segment. It was a

610
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: good segment. He was open to do it, and you know,

611
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: he did some crazy stuff, but he was I mean

612
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: he did on and off the field. I mean, there

613
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: was one time we went to his house for an interview,

614
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: and his whole living room is full of these boxes

615
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, to see what's in here. He

616
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: pulls out and it's like this green Army surplus underwear

617
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: or something that he had gotten a hold of a

618
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: shipment somewhere that they were gonna throw away, and he

619
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: got it for the homeless shelter here in Cincinnati. And

620
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: he was always doing stuff like that that people didn't

621
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: know about, always helping, you know, people who were struggling,

622
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: helping with the food Bank, the Goodwill and doing charity

623
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: things like that that I don't think anybody ever knew

624
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: about that. He was a lot, a lot of fun.

625
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean when he closed that locker room that time

626
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: after the game, he did some stuff that it's even

627
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: the players are like sorry, guys were not allowed to

628
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: talk because they him, And it was so I remember

629
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: Boomer coming out after that game saying that basically, and

630
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: he would laugh at some of the stuff Sam tried

631
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: to pull and did pull. So he was he was

632
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: a laugh riot. How about players, I imagine Boomer had

633
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: to be pretty high on the list. Oh yeah, you

634
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: know what he did. I was telling somebody this, Yes,

635
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: today we're talking about the super Bowl at eighty eight

636
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: and down to Miami, and Boomer would come through the

637
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: lobby because we were allowed to hang out in the

638
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: lobby at to play the team hotel and we were

639
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: doing live shots there and stuff. But he would come

640
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: through every night and ask all the local stations if

641
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: they needed him for anything, if they needed any more

642
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: of an interview or whatever. And you know, like the

643
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: second night, I'm like, Boomer, what are you doing? What?

644
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: He goes, you guys have covered us the entire season.

645
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you guys are taken

646
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: care of. And I appreciate everything you guys did during

647
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: the season. I want to make sure you get what

648
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: you need here. You came down to Miami to cover us.

649
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: I just want to do what's right by you guys.

650
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: I was impressive. People you know, wouldn't think he would

651
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: do that. But he was a sports intern at a

652
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: TV station and it may have been DC or Baltimore.

653
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: He worked with Gail Seens. He said back in the day,

654
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I think it was Baltimore, so he kind of understood

655
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: the business. But he was great. That whole team was great. Um,

656
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: But you know, Chad Ojosinko my god, when when he

657
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: had that list and I had to go in there

658
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: every Wednesday, and I'm like, every Wedn's gonna be like,

659
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: oh God, not this list again. We're gonna do this,

660
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: and that would be the funniest darn thing. He would

661
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: come up with some new angle on it. Um, So

662
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: he was. He was delightful. And TJ right next locker

663
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: by him, was great to deal with. Those guys were great. Um,

664
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: there's been mostly good ones with the Bengals. I mean

665
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: that whole eighty eight team and that team. Now, I

666
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: listened those interviews you do with those guys. I listened that.

667
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: I mean I look forward to that every Sunday on

668
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: the pregame show, and that those those kids are amazing.

669
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: They have right now. Just you know the one and

670
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: I told you about this last year, the one you

671
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: did about the kid in Columbus who didn't make the

672
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: team but was talking about listening to the super Bowl

673
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: on the radio and he's delivering pizzas at that time,

674
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: and he get what an amazing story and what a

675
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: good young man. And I hope he's doing well. I'm

676
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: sure he is, because he certainly has a head on

677
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: his shoulders on the flip side. Who gave you trouble? Well,

678
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: Oliver Gibson did that one time back in it was

679
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: early two thousands. But that was a bad situation and

680
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't personal at me, but it was.

681
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: It was at our station because of the story we

682
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: did on Tremaine back and you know, he wasn't supposed

683
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: to be driving. He was driving the practice. Somehow I

684
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: get elected to be the first guy in the locker

685
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: room with a Channel five microphone flag after that whole fiasco,

686
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: So I kind of knew it was probably coming. I

687
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: didn't know it was going to be that bad because

688
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I'd been in there all season. I thought, well, they'll

689
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: go easy on poor old George. No, there was no

690
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: such thing as easy. That was bad. And I give

691
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, I give Jack Brennan a lot of credit

692
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: because he told how they're like, get him out of

693
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: here now, and he's like, look, he's got an NFL credential.

694
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: He has every right to be in here. If you

695
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to him, you don't have to.

696
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: And I said the same, Bay, I'm like, you know,

697
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't. So I stood there and they're like, well,

698
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: we're not talking to anybody until he's out of here.

699
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: So I stood there for about a minute, you know,

700
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: maybe two minutes, got some bad stares, and I see

701
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: all my poor you know, media buddies from Cincinnati getting nothing,

702
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dah, this isn't productive. So I walked

703
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: out and then lo and behold, we walk into an

704
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: interview with Scott Mitchell and he didn't know what the

705
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: heck was going on, so he talked all day to us.

706
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: That was so fun. I don't want to knock on Scott,

707
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: but that might be the only thing he did right

708
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: that season. Not one of the more successful quarterbacks in

709
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Bengals history now, but he tried and he was a

710
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: stand up dude. And you know what, what can you do.

711
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: Not everyone's cut out to be an NFL quarterback. That's

712
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: that's for sure, hardest job in the world. We're chatting.

713
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: We're chatting the large Vogel. Do you have a most

714
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: memorable moment or moments from the Super Bowl trips? Oh? Gosh,

715
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: in eighty eight, there was so much because the riots

716
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: broke out down there like on Monday or Tuesday, I

717
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: think it was Monday night, And that was crazy because

718
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: there was there was a spot like four blocks from

719
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: the hotel where you could enter Overtown and they had

720
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: all that blocked off. You couldn't go in, you weren't allowed.

721
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: There were like guards there. It was the craziest thing

722
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I've seen. But what I took away from that game,

723
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, you think about the crumb right thing and

724
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: the Stanley Wilson situation, but when Stanford Jennings returned that

725
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: kickoff for a touchdown and the jubilation in there, and

726
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting around a bunch of Bengals fans because we

727
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: were in what was called media overflow, which turned out

728
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: to be great seats in the club level. It was

729
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: awesome padded seats, which was a big deal back in

730
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: that time, and people were going crazy. It was like,

731
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Yes, they're gonna win the Super Bowl.

732
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think anyone doubted until Taylor

733
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: caught that touchdown pass late that the Bengals were gonna

734
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: somehow find a way to win that ballgame. It didn't happen,

735
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: but that moment was unbelievable. And then you throw in

736
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: that Stanford's wife had a child the day before, a

737
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: baby girl, and it was just it's like, this can't

738
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: be happening. What a storybook. That was cool, the one

739
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: in La I just remember the heartbreak from that. And

740
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting next to Mike Dardis, our news anchor,

741
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: in the press box and the Rams come out for

742
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: that last drive and I'm like, I don't want to

743
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: say this, but I've been here before and it was

744
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: in Miami. I'm like, there's too much time, and gosh,

745
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: that fourth down play still and then of course the

746
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: call at the end, that was a tough one. That

747
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: was a tough one, and I it's but boy, the

748
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: Bengals coming out at halftime, at second half and that

749
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: bomb that Tee Higgins caught. What an amazing moment that was.

750
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: That's when I thought they're gonna do this, especially since

751
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: he grabbed the guy's face mask and got away with

752
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: No that's the thing. And I look at the play

753
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the game and it's like, well,

754
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: they got away with that one, so maybe it makes

755
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: up for it, but boy, that's still a heartbreaker all

756
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: the way through. And that fourth down play was at

757
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup took that little inside hand off and got

758
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: the first down that That's why I'm like, oh my god,

759
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: they had him right where they wanted him. But yeah,

760
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: I just remember mostly that heartbreak and that sick feeling.

761
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: You don't that feeling where like your mouth you's got

762
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: just got this metallic taste in there because everything drains,

763
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: and it's like that's what it was walking out there,

764
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, here I go again, out to talk

765
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati about another heartbreaking sports moment. That metallic taste

766
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: is going to be gone soon with this. Yeah, I'll

767
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: say this. Whether this team wins a Super Bowl or not,

768
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: and I feel they will, they have been amazing and

769
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: it has turned the whole city around when it comes

770
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: to attitude towards sports. I know the Reds are struggling,

771
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: but you know, FC Cincinnati off to a hot start

772
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: and the Bengals really captured this city and I do

773
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: believe they'll win one. But whether they do or not,

774
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: they've they've done a magnificent job of getting this fan

775
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: base fired up, no question about it. Obviously it begins

776
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: with Burrow, but beyond that, they've been one of the

777
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: biggest spenders in free agency over the past few years.

778
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: It seems like all the things they used to be

779
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: criticized for no longer apply. You've been covering this team

780
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: for four decades roughly, what's your reaction to it. It's

781
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: stunning and it's great to see. It is stunning because

782
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: they were getting and when Marvin came, they had a

783
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: pretty good free agent hall his first year, he thought, Okay,

784
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna turn this corner. Then that seemed like it

785
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: started fading away a little bit this time. You know,

786
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: when they got DJ Reader, I'm thinking, Wow, that's a

787
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: great signing, But what's going on here, Like, are they

788
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: really going to start doing this? And then you know,

789
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: they come out of the gates last year when they

790
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: pick up the offensive lineman Carris and Kappa on day one,

791
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: and it's like, my goodness. You know. Then they find

792
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: a way to get Lyell Collins and you're like, they're

793
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: really doing this and they have been, they've they've you know,

794
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: and and the Trey Wayne's thing didn't work out, but

795
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: they took a stab they you know, that was a

796
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: big signing at the time and I thought it would help.

797
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: It didn't because of injuries. But yeah, it's night and

798
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: day and hopefully that continues. I don't see why it

799
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Walt it's happened this cycle. I mean they've gone out.

800
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know when they get Orlando Brown Junior,

801
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: because everyone's like, oh my god, they lost the tight

802
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: end and they lost the starting safeties, and that was

803
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: You're like, and I'm thinking to myself, there's no way

804
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: they're sliding back into what they used to do. There's

805
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: no way. They saw what worked. They saw how you know,

806
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: Paul Brown Stadium now pay Course Stadium came alive with

807
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: just energy plus down there. There's no way they're gonna

808
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: let this slide back. And thankfully they haven't. I mean,

809
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: they got Orlando Brown and then just kept adding from

810
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: there and and here they are. They seem to be

811
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: in great position again heading into the draft, which is beautiful.

812
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Do you have a player or a position that you

813
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: would like to see them target in the draft, particularly

814
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: with the twenty eight pick, Yeah, boy, that's you know,

815
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the obvious Michael Mayer at twenty eight

816
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: and if they don't get him, then maybe a couple

817
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: rounds later. Josh Wiley, that's what I'm That's what I'm

818
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: such a homer. It's it's just I can't help it.

819
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: But I've seen a lot of mocks with with with

820
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Meyer fall into their position and them taking him, and

821
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: he would fit, you know, I mean it. There's a

822
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: lot of ways they can go now, though, which is

823
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: which is good because of the tight end signing earlier

824
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: this week, you know, that buys him a little bit

825
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: of time maybe to find the right guy they want

826
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: long term, and maybe it's him. Maybe it is him,

827
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: But I would not be shocked if they do draft

828
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: a tight end and draft one early in this draft

829
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: instead of being in the press box. Do you anticipate

830
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: being in the stands this fall? Beer in hand? Absolutely,

831
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: That's a no doubt or no brainer. There will be

832
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: many weekends. I'm probably at Nippert on a Saturday and

833
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: then I'm rolling in and I probably won't have my

834
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: face painted, but I'll probably have a Bengal's hat on,

835
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: maybe a Bengals golf shirt and you know, be out there.

836
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: That's I love watching games with the crowd. I mean,

837
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: I've had so much fun at games doing that. And

838
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: you know how it is when we do what we do,

839
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: you don't get to do that very often. And you're

840
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: also kind of trying to maintain some impartiality for your job.

841
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: It's going to be kind of nice to throw those

842
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: shackles all completely. Well, that's a good segue to my

843
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: last question for you, because it seems to me you

844
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: have always walked the tightrope well of being a fan.

845
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we can understand that you root for the Bengals, Reds, Bearcats, whatever,

846
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: but yet maintain your objectivity on the air. Well, I'll

847
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: tell you what. It helps being around the fans because

848
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: they're as critical as anybody. You can't fool him. I

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Speaker 1: can't say here and say, oh my gosh, you know

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Speaker 1: this player. Yeah, he had a bad game, but you know,

851
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Speaker 1: give him a break. He's been pretty good. You know,

852
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: if if a guy's not getting it done, they know it,

853
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: and they're harsher than anybody. And I've actually got a

854
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Speaker 1: couple of good friend fan friends here at the station

855
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Speaker 1: that if they'll keep me in check if I don't

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Speaker 1: do that. It's kind of funny. It's like you kind

857
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Speaker 1: of gave him a pass on that. It's like, you

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Speaker 1: know what I probably did, and that's because I know

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Speaker 1: he's a good dude. But you're right, Um, I gotta

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Speaker 1: and they do they keep me in check. Um, you

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Speaker 1: probably know both of them. Uh and people and up

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Speaker 1: you know, people in other stations too that we both

863
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Speaker 1: have worked with might say something someone like rufus. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's so that that has helped. But you can't

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Speaker 1: fool fans. They've got eyes, they've got to ears, they

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Speaker 1: see and hear what's going on, and uh, so you can't.

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Speaker 1: this is what we saw, this is what it is,

869
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Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it's tough, but you gotta do it.

870
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Speaker 1: And you're not always you know, you're not going to

871
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Speaker 1: be best buds with everybody. You try, but you can't

872
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: always be, especially in these jobs. George, I sent it

873
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: to you privately when you announced your retirement. Let me

874
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: say it publicly now. I am such a big fan,

875
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Speaker 1: not only of your work, but the way that you've

876
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Speaker 1: conducted yourself while doing that work over the years. It's

877
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Speaker 1: been a real inspiration to those of us who have

878
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: been in broadcasting in this town. Congratulations on a tremendous career.

879
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Speaker 1: I hope you continue to do some stuff in the media,

880
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Speaker 1: because I'll be watching and listening if you do. Thanks

881
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: for your time, today, Dan, thanks so much, and come

882
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: from you, that means a lot because I feel the

883
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: same way about you and the way you've done it.

884
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Speaker 1: And I almost said, when you ask me that question,

885
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Speaker 1: it's like you've done a heck of a job of

886
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Speaker 1: that as well, and telling it like it is, but

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Speaker 1: not going overboard and being you know, mister harshaw on

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Speaker 1: people and able to maintain those relationships and treat people

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Speaker 1: with respect. So coming from you, that means everything, and

890
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me. I hope there's some golf

891
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Speaker 1: time for our fifth edition of the three round mock

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Speaker 1: Draft with an NFL Expert. Here's the concept. When I

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Speaker 1: attended the NFL Combine several weeks ago, I had the

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus mock Draft simulator set up on my

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Speaker 1: laptop and invited several NFL experts to make the Bengals

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Speaker 1: picks in the first three rounds. If you've never tried

901
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Speaker 1: a mock Draft simulator before it allows you to play

902
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Speaker 1: Bengals GM for as many rounds of the draft as

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Speaker 1: you want. The simulator begins making picks in order, and

904
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Speaker 1: then when it's your turn, you can make trades or

905
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Speaker 1: go ahead and pick. It's a good way to get

906
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Speaker 1: to know the players who might be available when the

907
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Speaker 1: Bengals are on the clock. In late April, Dane Brugler

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Speaker 1: from The Athletic chose Maryland cornerback Deante Banks in the

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Speaker 1: first round, Northwestern defensive lineman at A Tommy wah at

910
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Speaker 1: A Barre in the second, and Iowa tight end Sam

911
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: Laporta in the third. He received an A minus grade

912
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Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. Pete Prisco from CBS Sports chose

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Speaker 1: Utah tight end Dalton Kincaid in round one, Washington State

914
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Speaker 1: linebacker day On Henley in round two, and by U

915
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle Blake Freeland in round three. He received a b.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fowler from The Draft Network chose Oregon State tight

917
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Speaker 1: end Luke Musgraven round one, Syracuse offensive tackle Matthew Bergerroud

918
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Speaker 1: in round two, and Maryland cornerback Jacorean Bennett in round three.

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Speaker 1: He received a B minus and Charles Davis from CBS

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Speaker 1: picked Kincaid in round one, Illinois safety Sydney Brown and

921
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Speaker 1: round two, and u AB running back Dwayne McBride in

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Speaker 1: round three. He was a good sport when his second

923
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Speaker 1: and third round grades got C minus and D minus grades.

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Speaker 1: Now time four contestant number five. It is great to

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Speaker 1: be joined by my guy, Austin Gale, now with the

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Speaker 1: ring formerly of PF back on the West coast. We

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Speaker 1: mission Cincinnati. But in any case, kind of you to

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Speaker 1: join me here at the NFL Scouting Combine to do

929
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Speaker 1: a three round Bengals mock draft trades allowed, so we

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Speaker 1: are making picks twenty eight, sixty and ninety two. You

931
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Speaker 1: worked at PF, so you know how this works. I'm

932
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Speaker 1: about to hit start draft on the mock simulators. So

933
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Speaker 1: borderbacks are going. I've seen three quarterbacks go already. Oh

934
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Speaker 1: Michael Mayer. Bengals fans are gonna wish he was still

935
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Speaker 1: around at twenty eight. He is not. We have reached

936
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Speaker 1: the twenty eighth pick in the first round. I'm going

937
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Speaker 1: to scroll back a little bit on this screen so

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Speaker 1: you can see the guys that were just taken. What

939
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Speaker 1: do you think of some of those guys that just

940
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Speaker 1: went off the board. Immediately, my eyes go to Jacksville Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: At twenty four, they take Osiris Torrance, the offensive guard.

942
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Speaker 1: I think he can play, he can play center. I

943
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Speaker 1: think he's going to be a guard in the NFL. Literally,

944
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Speaker 1: if you built an NFL guard in a lab, he'll

945
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Speaker 1: look like Osiris Torrance. And I know that the since

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Speaker 1: Mangal specifically have more needs at tack gold than they

947
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Speaker 1: do into your offensive line, but that is such a

948
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Speaker 1: value if they can get him, indeed at twenty eight.

949
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Speaker 1: So see him come off the board right at twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a bit tough to see us a

951
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Speaker 1: bank if you are a Bengals fan. I also like

952
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Speaker 1: Tyry Stevenson. I think he's a quarterback with long arms

953
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Speaker 1: coming out of a Miami cornerback. I think is a

954
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Speaker 1: very big value pick in this draft, specifically in the

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Speaker 1: first round. Bengals picking at twenty eight, I think should

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Speaker 1: be looking at cornerback. There were going to be a

957
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Speaker 1: lot of guys. Joey Porter Junior just measured in here

958
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Speaker 1: at the Indianapolis Combine with thirty four inch arms, eighty

959
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Speaker 1: five inch wingspan or whatever it is. You also have

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Speaker 1: Julius Brands out of Kent State, who has some big arms, Like,

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Speaker 1: there is some really really talented you talking about built

962
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Speaker 1: in the lab, really talented cornerback prospects here. So seeing

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Speaker 1: Tyr Stevenson off the board, Osiris Torrans off the board,

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Speaker 1: Michael Mayor, obviously I know the Bengals want a tight end.

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Speaker 1: I'm interesting to see who we have available, all right,

966
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Speaker 1: So we moved to the guys there are still available

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Speaker 1: list and you can discuss some of these guys as

968
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Speaker 1: I scrolled out. So Klajia Cancy is going to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, PF's top guy available here. I think p

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Speaker 1: F is a lot higher on can't see the Pittsburgh

971
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle then the league will be He did run

972
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Speaker 1: a blazing forty time. However, under thirty one inch arms.

973
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Speaker 1: There hasn't been a single defensive lineman in the NFL

974
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Speaker 1: over the last ten years to play more than six

975
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Speaker 1: hundred snaps in the single season with other under thirty

976
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Speaker 1: one inch arms. So he's a legitimate outlier. And normally

977
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Speaker 1: you don't see those guys really come off the board

978
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Speaker 1: in the top thirty, top forty picks. I think he's

979
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Speaker 1: more of a top of Day two, guy still ranked

980
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Speaker 1: fourteenth on PFF's board, so one of the top available.

981
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Speaker 1: You also have Andre Carter, the edge defender out of Army.

982
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's had a really great combine thus far.

983
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Speaker 1: So that's a little bit concerning Dalton Kincaide, someone that

984
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like, the tight end

985
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Speaker 1: out of Utah. My buddy at the Ringer, Danny Kelly,

986
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Speaker 1: compared him to Travis Kelsey, so a lot of people

987
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Speaker 1: really like him. Obviously Cincinnati fans there as well. But

988
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Speaker 1: if you scroll back up here, Deontay Banks cornerback in Maryland,

989
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Speaker 1: you know I said I want corner. I value corner

990
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: in this draft. Deontay Banks just leaped broad jumped eleven

991
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: feet four inches for one second. That was the second

992
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Speaker 1: best time or second best jump of any cornerback or

993
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Speaker 1: any player in the NFL, behind Byron Jones. And then

994
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: right after that you have Julius Brent of ken staatego

995
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Speaker 1: eleven six but still really impressive for John Tay Banks,

996
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: extremely explosive, extremely fast to getting phase. I think he's

997
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Speaker 1: going to be a guy at the back end the

998
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: first round everyone should look for. I think I'm going

999
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Speaker 1: Banks here at twenty eight. Well, Banks be there at

1000
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Speaker 1: number twenty eight. It's looking iffy. In their latest mock drafts,

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Speaker 1: mel Kiper has him going seventeenth to the Steelers, Todd

1002
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Speaker 1: McShay says twenty third to the Vikings, and Daniel Jeremiah

1003
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Speaker 1: goes with number twenty four to the Jaguars. It sounds

1004
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: like it could be. Don't get your hopes up pick

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Speaker 1: for the Bengals. Now time for Austin Gaels second round selection.

1006
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Speaker 1: We're up to pick number fifty five. Darnell Washington, the

1007
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Speaker 1: big tight end, just went to the Lions. I think

1008
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people expect him to go higher than that.

1009
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Speaker 1: But in any case, let's take a look at some

1010
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Speaker 1: of the guys that just went before the Bengals pick

1011
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: at number sixty, so Moredy having some buyer's remorse seeing

1012
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: the pick after we went Banks, Nolan Smith, the Georgia

1013
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: defensive end that literally broke the combine record for forty

1014
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Speaker 1: yard dash at defensive defensive line. Washington off the board

1015
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: at fifty five. Little bit like a little bit rough

1016
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: to see. Like there's a lot of talent I think

1017
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Speaker 1: in the second round. I've talked to a lot of

1018
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Speaker 1: draft media and also even scouts that mentioned, hey, this

1019
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: class isn't that good, right, This class isn't that good

1020
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: at the top. But the depth in this class is

1021
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: I think where people are going to have value. I

1022
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised too, even just a tangent off this

1023
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: to see people trade back into this round, specifically trade

1024
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: out of the first into the second round to pick

1025
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: up picks to go attack the depth in this class.

1026
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: So a little bit concerning, not concerning, but sucks to

1027
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: see so many good players come off the board, but

1028
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: looking at a midst to see who have available. Andre

1029
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: Carter again still available for whatever reason, it may be

1030
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Speaker 1: Nathaniel dell if the Bengals did have a need at

1031
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: receiver and wanted to bring in a guy that I

1032
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: comed into a more polished Marquise Brown. And I know

1033
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Marquise Brown hasn't been overly successful in the league's injuries

1034
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: have been a part of that. He obviously has flipped

1035
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: teams as well. I think Nathaniel Dell Man because it

1036
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: immediately a guy that steps into the slot and is

1037
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: super productive. I already see my guys though. Dayon Henley,

1038
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: the Washington State off ball linebacker, extremely explosive, extremely fast.

1039
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Speaker 1: Henley's a guy like and then I don't even know

1040
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: how to pronounce this guy's full name, but I call

1041
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: him Ada. Ada the guy at a Northwestern who everyone

1042
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: made this big deal of cancy running the time that

1043
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: he did at two or eighty one pounds, and he

1044
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: was in the four six seven range ade ade at

1045
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Speaker 1: a Northwestern beat his time at the same way and

1046
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: had better jumps and all that stuff. This guy is

1047
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: a freak of nature. I think getting him at this

1048
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: value is the way to go. I know that's attacking

1049
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: defensive line to have a lot of studds in Cincinnati,

1050
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: but I think that's a position to premium position that

1051
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: you constantly need to restock with athletes. I think the

1052
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: Northwestern Ada is who I go here at sixty is

1053
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: at a Tommy wa At a bare who ran an

1054
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: insane four four nine forty yard dash at the combine,

1055
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: a record for anybody at or above two hundred and

1056
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: eighty pounds. He's ranked number forty one overall on the

1057
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Speaker 1: PF Big Board. So a cornerback in round one and

1058
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: an edge rusher in round two. Time for Austin Gals.

1059
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: Third and final pick. It is number ninety two overall,

1060
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: and we are seeing names go off the board. Rashi Rice,

1061
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: a speedy wide receiver from SMU, has just selected Eli

1062
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Ricks out of Alabama just went off the board. We

1063
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: have reached the Bengals third round pick pick number ninety two.

1064
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: Take a look at some of the guys that just went.

1065
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: You see some of the receivers come off the board

1066
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: in this round. I think are a little small, right

1067
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: like Jaden Reid, small but fast, Nathaniel Dell, small but

1068
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: fast and get open. I think that's where you're gonna

1069
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: see those types come off the board in this class.

1070
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: Guys that man, I don't think he'll ever be an

1071
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: x orra Z at the NFL level, but in the

1072
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: slot I think he can do some damage other players

1073
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: coming off the board in this range. He saw Hendon

1074
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: Hooker come off the board in this round three. I

1075
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: think he is a round three round four player. Despite

1076
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: the age. Everyone talks about the age. He was also

1077
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: one one of the most absurd college offenses that I

1078
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen. They line up their receivers that

1079
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: like far far far along the sideline of vanc can

1080
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: see how Hooker adapts the NFL looking at who we

1081
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: have available. Carl Brooks, the Bowling Green defensive lineman I know,

1082
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: is someone that went to the Senior Bowl and lit

1083
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: it on fire. So everyone is high on Carl Brooks

1084
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: coming at the Senior Bowl. I don't think a lot

1085
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: of people were going into the week. Nick Herbig, the

1086
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: edge defender out of Wisconsin, undersized. I don't really know

1087
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: where to play him right. I don't think I'll play

1088
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: him on the edge, a pollowing play him at off

1089
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: ball linebacker. I know we already took Audia auDA out

1090
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: of Northwestern. We could have took day On Henley there.

1091
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: Sam Laporta is a tight end. I think a lot

1092
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: of people like in a deep deep tight end class. However,

1093
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: they need a pass catching tight end. Man. I don't

1094
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: think you want to bring in the guy similar with

1095
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: what they have with Drew Sample and that he's gonna

1096
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: come in and block, and they want someone who's gonna

1097
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: go get catches for this offense. Sidney Brown one of

1098
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: the most Maybe this isn't the best word to us,

1099
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: but the most jacked players in this class. Sydney Brown

1100
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: is a monster dude, like a workout warrior. So is

1101
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: his brother. He also played for Illinois, the running back

1102
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: Chase Brown. Now we're looking at Trevias Hodges Tomlinson, who

1103
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: I think has potential to be a legitimate, legitimate slot

1104
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: cornerback in the NFL. I think he had just under

1105
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: thirty inch arms when he measured in here at the combine.

1106
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: For me, one of the best football players in this class,

1107
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: one of the best slots in this class, after Devin Witherspoon.

1108
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: I know we already picked corner, but that's a position

1109
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: where I like to really double down. I'm tempted. But

1110
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,959
Speaker 1: then I see right here, right now, we just heard,

1111
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: we already have heard how the Bengals are looking at

1112
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon. I think there's been some conversation around maybe

1113
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: he isn't back next year. Devin A. Chain out of

1114
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: Texas A and M is a firework man. This guy

1115
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: has some of the best speed in the draft class.

1116
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be one of the best

1117
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: like risers out of this class. I'm I'm gonna take

1118
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: him now before the hype comes up. I'm taking Devon

1119
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: to Chain out of Texas at m here in the

1120
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: third d Von A Chain from Texas A and m

1121
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: is one of the top running back prospects in this

1122
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: draft after rushing for more than eleven hundred yards last year.

1123
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: He's not very big at five eight and a half

1124
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: and one hundred eighty eight pounds, but he can fly.

1125
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: His four three two forty yard dash at the combine

1126
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: was the fourth fastest ever for a running back. A

1127
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: Chain average six point four yards per carry in his

1128
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: three college seasons and had a pair of kick return touchdowns.

1129
00:58:54,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: Now let's find out how PF graded those picks. It's

1130
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: looking pretty good. What do you think we got a

1131
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: B plus for a running back pick in the top

1132
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: one hundred from PF. I think that's a pretty big

1133
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: win obviously, and then getting Deonte Banks. Are always gonna

1134
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: love taking corner rain like that's a premium position in

1135
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: the first round. Like I worked at PFF, I know

1136
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: how this simulator works taking premium positions early. So getting

1137
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: a corner and an edge defender. I think Ada could

1138
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: play on the inside, who knows, but getting a corner

1139
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: and edge offender, those are always going to be highly graded.

1140
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: Seeing the B plus on the running back pick of

1141
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: Devin to Chain, I think that's the biggest win of

1142
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: this draft man. We picked a running back inside the

1143
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: top one hundred, and we're still getting good grades. Overall

1144
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: draft grade and a minus. I'll take it. You have

1145
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: tied for the highest overall draft grade thus far with

1146
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: Dame Brougler from The Athletic. Congratulations on a great three

1147
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: round mock draft. I appreciate it. If I'm in the

1148
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: same sentence as Dame Brugler of The Athletic, I feel

1149
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: pretty good. Austin Gale, always great to speak with you.

1150
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time, of course, thank you. That's going

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