1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: off right now. Thanks for rolling with us, everybody all 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: across the country. We've got a lot we've been talking 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: about today. Already started off the show talking about how 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: only eighteen percent of Americans, according to Gallup, are satisfied 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: with the state of the nation. So people are very 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: aware that the Biden presidency is a disaster. That's here 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: except for about twenty percent who are like Joe Biden's 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: just great, He's amazing. Which is that? Anna? 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: Even they twenty percent of people, Buck believe that, I 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: think they're just so committed to the left wing, but 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: they're not even committed to Biden. I know't thinks he's 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: the one who really likes Biden. No, no one thinks 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: he's doing a great job. They all just pretend because 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: he is a vessel for the radical left wing policy right, 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: and that's what you get with Biden. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, people that have said, oh, but Biden is 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: going to be a moderated absolutely is not a moderate 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: and he because he's not really any The thing of 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: a Biden is he stands for nothing. He's actually built 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: a whole career on Bidenism. He's also, in recent years, 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: as we've seen, built a career on taking money or 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: having his family members take money from foreign interests for 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: business ventures. I thought this is fascinating, you know, I 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: spoke Clay on our Clay and Buck podcast recently to 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: Peter Schweitzer, and I thought this was such an important 28 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: point about the Biden crime family. You know that the 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: money that Hunter Biden got from the Chinese interest for CFC, 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: I think it was CFC holdings for future to be 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: determined business activities. Yeah. I mean imagine if you were 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: on like, hey, guys, can you give me like eight 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: million dollars? I'm going to figure out something really cool 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: to do with it later. That is called a bribe. 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: That is called a bribe everybody. But you know it's 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, so it's not technically Joe. So as long 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: as they can't prove the money was getting siphoned to Joe, 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: can they prove it in some way, it's all fine. 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: But Biden is in some ways really the perfect prototypical 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: democrat of his era, which is whatever works, whatever the 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: leftist mob wants, whatever's going to help his career in 42 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: the moment. He is a pure political opportunist and now 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: one with dementia as well, and so at some level 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: he's perfect form many of these Democrats, because you know, 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: he's like the idiot king who the ministers are getting 46 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: whatever they want behind the scenes and they don't have 47 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: to take any of the heat. 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: I think Buck when he got passed over in twenty 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: sixteen for Hillary and Barack Obama himself said you aren't 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: able to be president, I think everybody forgets that. Barack 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: Obama set down his vice president and basically said, you 52 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: aren't able to be president. 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm supporting Hillary. 54 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: Which is you want to talk about loyalty as close 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: to a slap in the face as you can get 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: to tell your sitting vice president you aren't able to 57 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: do this job. I'm picking someone else to support instead. Right, 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: And remember, Obama never endorsed Biden in the twenty twenty 59 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: primaries either until he was already the nominee. It's not 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: like when Biden got into the race that Obama said, Okay, 61 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: you know what, in sixteen, I was wrong. Let me 62 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: make it clear. I'm all in on Joe Biden. He's 63 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: my guy. Everybody who supports me, go support him. No, 64 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: he stayed out of the primary. And my point on 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: this is, I think Biden as soon as he got 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: passed over looked in the mirror and said, I'm old, 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: Hillary's going to win in sixteen, then she's going to 68 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: run in twenty again. And then I'll be eighty four 69 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: years old or whatever it is. It's time to make money. 70 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: And I think he flipped the switch from I want 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: to maintain my political viability to I want to get 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: my family rich. 73 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: And I think you. 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: Can go back and look, and I bet the dollars 75 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: started flowing in aggressively about twenty fourteen and fifteen, even 76 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: while he was still vice president, when he realized that 77 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: he wasn't going to make the money, that he wasn't 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: going to be the president, and so let's start making 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: this money now. And that's when the Hunter Biden crime 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: family really kicked into high gear. 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: Democrats have really perfected the art of turning politics into 82 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: a cash cap. That's what's happened. It really started with 83 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: the Clintons, who will tell you, and they told everyone, oh, 84 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: we had no money, you know, we were leaving the 85 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: White House. And then they raised do you ever hear 86 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 1: about the Clinton Foundation anymore? Clay, No, you don't. Whatever 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: Hillary wasn't viable? He vanished. Yep, whatever happened the Clinton 88 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: Global Initiative tackling climate change and women's inequality globally. Sure 89 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: it was a bunch of foreign governments buying access and 90 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: influence with the Clinton crime family. What was the Clinton 91 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: Global What was the Clinton Foundation really about? It was 92 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: a pass through. Yeah, they'll tell you they give money 93 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: to charity, but they were taking a cut to pay 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: for I think it was eighty million dollars of private 95 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: jet travel for you guessed it. The Clinton family to 96 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: pay for their lifestyles, to send them around the world, 97 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: to give an excuse as well to pay Bill Clinton 98 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: up to eight hundred thousand dollars for a single speech. 99 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: Clon and I both give speech to somehoumes for money, 100 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: by the way, reach out to our people. And no 101 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: one gets paid eight hundred grand for a speech. That's 102 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: not a thing, that's a bribe. But the Clinton's did it, 103 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: The Bidens did it. You look at Nancy Pelosi, you 104 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: look at Dianne Feinstein and see their stock activities and 105 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: their stock trades, and you wonder hmm. Somehow Natzi Pelosi 106 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: is like better at trading than the hedge funds. How 107 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: is that possible, Nancy? How is Nancy Pelosi a more 108 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: astute stock market analyst? I don't think Nancy Pelosi could 109 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: name three of the first five presidents of the United States, 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: but man, is she good at trading the stock market. 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: So we all see this, right, the corruption, the craziness, 112 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: and I think Democrats at some level, no, there's a 113 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: little bit of panic. They think Joe is still their 114 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: best option. Is a little bit of panic. Did you 115 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: see this now? I mean, look, we talk about the 116 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: view sometimes here and in some ways, yes, is the 117 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: view bad for this country? Sure? Is the view making 118 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: people who watch it dumber? Absolutely? But is it a 119 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: rich source of content for Clay and Buck? Absolutely? The 120 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: same though can be said for MSNBC and even more 121 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: specifically Joy Reid show on MSNBC. Did you see this now? 122 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: They're going with after what was it a week or 123 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: two ago we were told that Florida was an unsafe 124 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: state for LGBT people, for black people. Joy Reid is 125 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: saying that DeSantis wants to make us like North Korea Cuba, 126 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: which I thought the left Love, Cuba and China Play eleven. 127 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: There is a model for what this little dictator in 128 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: the making wants to do. Just look at China, Cuba, 129 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: North Korea, Afghanistan or Iran, where the government censors the 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: media or force feeds a strict conservative religious ideology to 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: children in schools, deploys morality police to make sure you're 132 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: wearing what they want, learning what they want, doing what 133 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: they want. That model also happens to have a name, 134 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: and it's called totalitarianism, the political concept that the citizen 135 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: should totally be subject to an absolute state authority. 136 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: Now, I don't I don't know how to said is 137 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: the Democrats are full blown authoritarians and totalitarians. And we 138 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: saw it during COVID and it couldn't be any more clear. 139 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: And they're absolute lunatics. I'm never going to forget it. 140 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Ian Miller joining us to talk about 141 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: his latest book. Who was the guy who was phenomenally 142 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: useful during COVID for sharing the graphs on masks? Spoiler alert. 143 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: They don't work at all. They don't do a thing. 144 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: It's fun to be able to say that. Now know 145 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: that you know, oh, we're not going to get like 146 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: censored on the interwebs. But joy read here's saying that 147 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: Florida is a totalitarian state. This is one thing we 148 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: have to be on guard for, Clay. When it comes 149 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: to Democrats, they don't just lie. They go to it's 150 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: like anti truth. They go to the absolute polar opposite 151 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: of the truth. Florida has built a brand as the 152 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: place where Donald Trump lives, the place where Ronda Santis lives, 153 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: a place where so many people place where I live, 154 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: so many people in the media live now as the 155 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: pro free state because of COVID, and now over at MSNBC, 156 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: they want to tell you that Florida is a totalitarianism 157 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: because they don't want third graders being handed books in 158 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: school that I don't even I'm not even comfortable telling 159 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: people on the radio, really what's in these books? 160 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: That's It's also an easy argument to make on the 161 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: contrary buck how many people try to get into Cuba, 162 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: how many people try to get into North Korea? Right, 163 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: Florida has added millions of people in the four years 164 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: that Ron DeSantis has been governor. Thankfully, we still have 165 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: the free flow of people in this country. 166 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: Right. 167 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: You can move from one state to another. Although it's 168 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: worth noting that many of the furthest left wing science 169 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: advocates during COVID wanted to restrict your ability to actually 170 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: leave the state. 171 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: That you're in. 172 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: They forget about that now, But the Andy Slavic company 173 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: out there that was advising the Biden administration actually wanted 174 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: to restrict your ability to leave your. 175 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: State over COVID. 176 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: But an easy counter to joy read I mean, clearly 177 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: this is balder dash, buck, but it would just be hey, 178 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: wait a bit word, thank you. How many people out 179 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: there are trying to go to totalitarian countries? Am I 180 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: missing all of the people trying to get into Cuba? 181 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: Am I missing all of the people moving to North Korea? 182 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: Because everybody's moving to Florida? Yeah, which is the ultimate. 183 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: You may not know this, but as Joyrie will tell you, 184 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: real estate prices in Pyongyang or skyrocketing because everyone wants 185 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: a condo in Pyongyang, just like they do in Miami. 186 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: You know what, I left your Miami apartment. We were 187 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: doing the show by like hung Out. I had a 188 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 2: Cuban driver recently and she drove me to the airport 189 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: and she she was awesome, and she said, I hope 190 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: she's listening right now. She said, you know, there's a 191 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: lot of complaining in America. And I'm paraphrasing, but she said, 192 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: when I was in Cuba, it got really hot at night. 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: Nobody had air conditioning. She's like, every time I walk 194 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: around in Miami and I see anybody complaining about anything, 195 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, go back to your air conditioned home and 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: live in your luxury. You don't even realize until you 197 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: have experienced what socialism is and what it does to 198 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: the people. You don't even realize in this country how 199 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: fortunate you are. And in South Florida, Buck, I bet 200 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: you're constantly surrounded by Venezuelans and Cubans and people who 201 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: have pled Latin American totalitarianism that are just a wash 202 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: in the freedoms that they get to embrace every single 203 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: day in Florida. 204 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: They're very important. I actually just visited with a friend 205 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: of mine with Carrie over the weekend who was at 206 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: the Bay of Pigs. Oh wow. He was a fighter 207 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: at the Bay of Pigs, a dear friend of mine, 208 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: and later joined the Marine Corps, the United States Marine 209 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Corps when we got him out because he loved this 210 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: country even though he felt like the Democrat Kennedy did 211 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: not give the air cover and kind of betrayed the 212 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: troops on the beach, but still loved America with all 213 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: of his heart. I think he would still sign up 214 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: to fight in the Marines tomorrow if he could. But 215 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: he's in his eighties. And when you see people that 216 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: have left in recent years, it's really, you know, a 217 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: lot of it is Venezuela. You still have Cuban immigration 218 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: to Florida from to Florida from Cuba, but from Venezuela 219 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: and the collapse of Venezuela. And I just wish people 220 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: would hear this more. And I think there's an important 221 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: part of the narrative in this country that sometimes doesn't 222 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: get enough attention. The policies that AOC and Bernie want 223 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: for America are the policies of the Maduro regime in Venezuela. 224 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: It's the end stage of those policies, but it is 225 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: ideologically aligned with a so socialist country run by social 226 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: justice principles, where all of a sudden, the elites are 227 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: the only ones doing well and everybody else can just 228 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: you know, go jump off a pier. And people should 229 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: be reminded that it's a country that was for the 230 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: region very wealthy for the region, culturally rich, highly educated population, 231 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: and in the span of twenty years, has been destroyed 232 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: and turned to penury, turned to just sheer poverty, malnutrition. 233 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: Why social justice got to spread a little more of 234 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: that money around for the poor people, got to take 235 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: a little more of the industry over by the government. 236 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: And I think the Venezuelan refugee population in America is 237 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: incredibly important as a warning of what happens when the 238 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: leftist lunatics take power. 239 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: Always worth mentioning. Do you remember where Bernie Sanders went 240 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: on his honeymoon. 241 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: Isn't that the craziest thing? Moscow when it was the 242 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. What a maniac. That's why whenever someone says, oh, 243 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: he's like a cuddly old grandpa, No he's not, No 244 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: he's not, he would tell you that the price the 245 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: price of your slow starvation under Bernie's idiotic economic policies. 246 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Because he's economically illiterate. He would say, yeah, well, you know, 247 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: sorry for you, but to make an omelet, you got 248 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: to break a few eggs that you don't have anymore. 249 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: He went to the Soviet Union during his honeymoon during 250 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: the Cold War to celebrate their style of government. 251 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: Just think about that. 252 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to pretend it didn't happen. Think about how 253 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: much time you spend planning your honeymoon, and that numb 254 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: skull chose to go to the Soviet Union and actually 255 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: propagated lies about how great it was there. That's who 256 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: you're dealing with. Verizon AT and T T Mobile. 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Appreciate all of you hanging out 276 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: with us. 277 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: We mentioned this Buck in the open to the show, 278 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: and I do think this is getting crazy. Sam Ponder 279 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: is at ESPN, and she tweeted out during our show. 280 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: She is a prominent ESPN employee and she has been 281 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: one of the few ESPN employees who's outspoken and actually 282 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: supporting the idea of men not being able to compete 283 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: against women. And she said biology is not bigotry, which 284 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: is a great synthesis of why men pretending to be 285 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: women shouldn't be able to compete again women's athletics. 286 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: But she got called a bigot by USA today. 287 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: No one at ESPN in the corporate office Buck has 288 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: defended Sam Ponder at all. 289 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: Usually, when you get. 290 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: Attacks like that from other media outlets, your PR team 291 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: goes to work and they end up defending you. In fact, 292 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: quite the contrary. Tomorrow, Buck, ESPN is raising the trans 293 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: flag over the ESPN campus. This is more than just 294 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: the Pride flag. This is ESPN sticking their thumb in 295 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: all of your eyes. If you are a sports fan. 296 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: ESPN has already said Leah Thomas is a women's sports hero. 297 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: They're now raising the trans flag to fly over a 298 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: sports network, and they are now, to me making it 299 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: clear that their corporate mantra is if you're a man 300 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: and you want to identify as a women, as a woman, 301 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: you are a women sports champion. This is where we 302 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: are and even for me, this is a staggering spot. 303 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: Wait wait, hold, but hold on. So the corporate ESPN, 304 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: owned by Disney right doing this interesting, isn't it? Disney 305 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: on ESPN Disney Do the hosts, though publicly, all go. 306 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: Along with this, like many of them will, and a 307 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: lot of them are afraid if they don't have a 308 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: lot of security in their jobs to actually speak out 309 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: against it. 310 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: I don't mean to speak out against it, I mean do 311 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: they affirm at public. But we can come back to this. 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Tell us what you get into 340 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: in this book. 341 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 4: That's that's a good assumption. Yeah, it is kind of 342 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 4: going in detail on Fauci and the CEC and a 343 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: lot of other experts about how they kind of mismanaged 344 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: virtually everything about the COVID pandemic and our response to it, 345 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: and the mistakes they made, and more importantly, you know, 346 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 4: pointing out how little accountability there was. You know, they've 347 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 4: never took any responsibility for the mistakes that they've made. 348 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 4: They've never acknowledged half of them. A lot of cases, 349 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: they're still kind of maintaining that a lot of these 350 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 4: policies were actually effective. And so the case of the 351 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: book has kind of make this comprehensive overview of why 352 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: that's wrong, how they got it wrong, and why we 353 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: need to hold them accountable going forward. 354 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: Well, Ian, when you see arguments being made that Florida 355 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: handled COVID poorly, that the rate of death in Florida 356 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: was bad. This is actually the argument that Trump is 357 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: now trotting out against Ron DeSantis. You are a data guy, 358 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: you spent and you've lived in California, so you had 359 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: to deal with all the craziness of Gavin Newsom. You 360 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: shared incredible charts over the years. How did Florida do 361 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: relative to the rest of the country. What sort of 362 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: benefit if any, did say New York and California gain 363 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: from shutting down? What is the raw data intelligently analyzed? 364 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Tell us. 365 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 4: Right, well, and it's the exact opposite conclusion of what 366 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 4: kind of the messaging has been. If you look at 367 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 4: age DIESIC code immortality, because obviously Florida has a much 368 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 4: more elderly population compared to New York and California, Florida 369 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: outperformed the rest of the country that had a much 370 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 4: lower age adjusted COVID death rate than New York. Despite 371 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: New Yorks lockdowns, had lower excess mortality than California, meaning 372 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 4: fewer people than over the expected normal died in Florida 373 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 4: and in California. And Florida benefited because they kept their 374 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 4: economy open as much as possible and kept kids in schools, 375 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 4: and which is going to have huge positive effects down 376 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 4: the road. California and New York had both been losing 377 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 4: huge numbers of people, and New York City lost almost 378 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 4: half a million people in just a couple of years. 379 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: That's a huge that's a huge difference, with a lot 380 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 4: of them going to Florida because it was open and 381 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 4: because they could get their kids in schools. So, you know, 382 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: trying to revision his history of trying to stay Florida 383 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: didn't perform well. Is just not backed up by data 384 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 4: at all. 385 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: Ian, is there any sign that you're seeing And as 386 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: part of the research for the book, did you find 387 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: meaningful maya culpas from major medical institutions, from you know, 388 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: the science as it was known for a while, not 389 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: just from the faucies, the CDCs, the NIHS, et cetera, 390 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: but you know, major hospital systems, the so called consensus 391 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: about so much of this stuff that was shockingly wrong. 392 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: I mean, the data, as I've been talking about on 393 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: this show. The data on for example, the frenzy to 394 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: put everybody on ventilators shows they were killing people by 395 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: putting them on ventilators. There were a lot of people 396 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: who would have survived their first bout with COVID who 397 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: were put on a ventilator far too quickly because there 398 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: was a panic in the medical community. Is anyone saying 399 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: we're sorry, we're we got this wrong, or does everyone 400 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: just move past it in the medical field at these 401 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: big institutions and act like it didn't happen. 402 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 4: Definitely the latter. Pretty much everybody is just trying to 403 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 4: move on and kind of quietly dismiss everything and not 404 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: really take any responsibility or acknowledge that they were wrong 405 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: about this stuff. Like you said, ventilators are a huge issue, 406 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: you know, masking people forever and masking toddlers, and the 407 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 4: CDC director came out there not long ago, and so 408 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 4: you know, our guidance doesn't really change over time. We're 409 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 4: going to continue to recommend masking kids meally forever, based 410 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: off of community transmission. I think, you know, obviously public 411 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: health agencies have been in particular a lot of these 412 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: hospital systems that were very openly promoting you know, all 413 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 4: the vaccine passports and things like that. They just kind 414 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: of want to move past it because I think everybody 415 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 4: could see at this point, or people that have been 416 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: paying attention, that they were wrong. The data shows that 417 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 4: were wrong. Everybody got COVID anyway, despite what all these 418 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: experts were saying to do, And so I think they 419 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 4: feel like it would undermine their credibility if they admitted 420 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: that they got this wrong and that they made mistakes. 421 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 4: So instead they're just kind of trying to move past it. 422 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: If anything, there's been, I mean a shocking lack of 423 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 4: accountability as opposed to kind of taking responsibility for their actions. 424 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: Ian now that we look back where three years removed. 425 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: I think you wrote an article at OutKick about the 426 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: fact that only now is air travel getting back to 427 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: where it was when we shut down in March of 428 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, which is really kind of crazy to think 429 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: about the three years country did actually handle COVID the 430 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: best is there now that we've got three years of 431 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: data and we can look and analyze all the different perspectives. 432 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: We talk about states, But is it Sweden? 433 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: Like if you could point to a European or United 434 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: States or you know, the North American country, is there 435 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: a country that you think handled COVID really well and 436 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: if so, who and what should we have done in retrospect? 437 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be Sweden. I mean they did 438 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: the most to keep their economy moving they didn't close 439 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 4: schools if at all, or for very limited age groups 440 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 4: were very limited amount of time. You know, there were 441 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 4: no mask manmates generally for the whole country basically. And 442 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: what's so frustrating is that they essentially followed all of 443 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 4: these pre COVID pandemic planning documents that all these public 444 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 4: health agencies spent years developing. They followed it. Everybody else 445 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 4: panicked and threw it out, and you know, I write 446 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 4: a chapter about it in the book. But you can 447 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 4: compare Sweden to all these other countries, to European countries, 448 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 4: and in every comparison they come out looking really well 449 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 4: where you know, they have lower excess mortality rates or 450 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 4: they overperformed compared to other countries that have some more populations. 451 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 4: And they did it all without disrupting their population as 452 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: much as we did in the United States and most 453 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: states especially or places like Australia and New Zealand that 454 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 4: went the entire opposite direction. And if you look, Australia 455 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: has now had huge excess mortality rates where over the 456 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 4: last year and a half. So I think there's a 457 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 4: there's a clear winner here in Sweden. And it's not 458 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 4: that they did anything particularly special. It's just that they 459 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: actually followed the guidance that everybody had set out before COVID. 460 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 4: For some reason, our experts just completely panicked and throw 461 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 4: it out, and they stayed strong. 462 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: The book is Illusion of Control, COVID nineteen and the 463 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: Collapse of Expertise. 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Tim, what you got for us? 505 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Not a lot? Okay, Let's go to Charlie and Ventura, California. Charlie, 506 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: what do you have for us? 507 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: So, guys, this is like a little double meaning thing. 508 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 5: It's Trump and the whole trans flag thing at ESPN, 509 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 5: it's the pride before the fall. With Trump, it's the 510 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 5: pride before the fall because he's just running people away 511 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 5: from him. 512 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: I know people in. 513 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 6: Florida, all the Trump supporters, I know, they're just sick 514 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 6: and tired. They want to hear policy. They're tired of 515 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 6: this tit for tat. What happened to Kaylee mcanelly That 516 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 6: stupid commercially runs on Fox News every night. Looks like 517 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 6: you know, Nanny Nanny booboo. 518 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 4: A third grader. 519 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 6: And then you got all the woke you know, companies 520 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 6: that are going under because they're flying the pride flag. 521 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 6: So there is the pride before their fall. And quite frankly, 522 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 6: you know, the United States is looking like it's going 523 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 6: the way of the Romans. We're just allowing this stuff 524 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 6: to take over and we're just playing games and we're 525 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 6: no longer taking our country and our lives seriously. 526 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: Buck, if we got into a real war, the pronouns 527 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: that we would use in battle, I think we'd go 528 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: out the window in a hurry, And I think we'd 529 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: want the baddest of the baddest asses to be fighting 530 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: for us. And a part of me feels like we're 531 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: just getting lost in all of this absurdity on a 532 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: day to day basis. But the other part of me says, 533 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: as soon as you can get someone to get you 534 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: to admit something that you know to be untrue is true, 535 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: then you've given up on your ability to live as 536 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: an independent and flourishing country. 537 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah that's the first step. Yeah, No, it's we will 538 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: always adhere to the truth here and come what may. 539 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: Jim in Minnesota, what do you got first, Jim? 540 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I just wanted to say that I've voted 541 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 7: for Trump place and if he's nominated, I'll vote for 542 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 7: him again happily. But the stuff he said about Kaylee. 543 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 8: Mc and any. 544 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 7: Among other things, that's the reason he's not sitting in 545 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 7: the White House today, because that's what turns fifty percent 546 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 7: of the country off to him, and we' compeeding over 547 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 7: really small flights the pie to get the independent voters. 548 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 7: And if you put Trump nominate Trump for the Republicans, 549 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 7: that pipe that slight, the pie just became significantly smaller. 550 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, Jim, thanks yeah, Jim, I 551 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: thank you for calling in. I just would say there's 552 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: something that I put out as an as an open 553 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: question and not for one person to answer, because I 554 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: don't believe Clay there is an answer to it. But 555 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: I think it's an important question as he moved through 556 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: this primary. What is the Trump plan to win the 557 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: independence that he needs in the states that he needs. 558 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't say that because there is no answer. I 559 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: say it because I want to know the answer, and 560 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: I think we ought to all keep that in mind. 561 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: How is Trump going to do better with independence this time? 562 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: And I'm you know, the campaign may well address that. 563 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure this is something that his uh strategists 564 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: are are thinking about, and I think it's something we 565 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: all need to know. And if someone asked me, well, 566 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: what is it, uh, you know, what is it exactly 567 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: that you would say in the case of rondescentis Rohn decentis. 568 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: I can just point out what his pitch is to 569 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: people who are independence. He's not going to win the 570 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: far left, obviously, he's not going to win Democrats. His 571 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: pitch to independence is, look at everybody who's moving to 572 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: my state scoreboard. That's basically the pitch. People want the 573 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: kind of policies that I enact. Does that work for independence? 574 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: That's another question. 575 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 2: He says he's going to make America Florida, and there 576 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: are a lot of people in Florida that are happy 577 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: about that. Tom and Benita Springs, Florida. I think, speaking 578 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: of Florida, how would you assess what's going on right now? 579 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 8: Well? I think with Trump it's the problem of the 580 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 8: personality versus policy. He weighs them on his personality too much. 581 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 8: And if you just worked on reminding the people what 582 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 8: he did from two sixteen to twenty twenty, even with 583 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 8: all the headwinds that he had, he'd do a lot better. 584 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 8: But his own mouth puts a crisis in play almost 585 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 8: every day instead of shaping a solid message that says 586 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 8: this is where we're going. I am my feeling with 587 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 8: Donald Trump. I know he's got great polsy. But I 588 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 8: honestly don't know if he sees what's over the horizon 589 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 8: so much very well. And I look at this whole 590 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 8: Kaylie Mack and anything, and I ask myself, how well 591 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 8: does Trump surround himself with good people? And I think 592 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 8: is Scaramucci, I think of Cohen, I think of Amrosa 593 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 8: in the White House, going why is that woman in 594 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 8: the White House? Okay, she's college educated, what be? But 595 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 8: she had no legitimate reason for history for being there. 596 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 8: And one of the people you'll know when Trump has 597 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 8: finally thrown everybody overboard when he attached Sean Hannity that 598 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 8: what will happen is he'll get a Herschel Walker type electric. 599 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 8: They will vote for everybody else but them. We're just 600 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 8: not gonna check the box for him. 601 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: That's look. 602 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: I did everything I could, and We've talked about this 603 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: on the show, and I've used Georgia as a specific example. 604 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: That's my concern. Seven out of eight statewide Republicans one 605 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: in Georgia. 606 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: The only one who didn't was Herschel Walker. 607 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: Herschel was the most closely connected to Donald Trump. Now, 608 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: Herschel had in his past all sorts of as everyone 609 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: does things that are not ideal. They came after him 610 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: with everything they had. They spent probably one hundred million 611 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: dollars buck trying to tear him down, and he came 612 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: very close to winning. 613 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: But I look at it and say. 614 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: A generic Republican running for the Senate seven out of 615 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: eight statewide one in Georgia, the only one who didn't 616 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: was Herschel, A generic Republican would have won. 617 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: And if someone believes that Georgia is just Democrats cheating, 618 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: I need an explanation for why they only cheat in 619 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: that race and not the other. Right, you know, they're 620 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: only picking the race where the Trump backed guy isn't 621 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: gonna win. And then now maybe some people believe that, 622 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: but I would just want to hear the explanation for 623 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: why they would risk, you know, being caught and risk 624 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: possible prison time for one race but not all the others. Uh, 625 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, because because you could make a very clear 626 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: case if you lose all the races, it's a Democrat wave, 627 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: right yep. But if you're gonna rig it and riggots 628 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: to only lose one of them, that seems very weird, 629 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: doesn't it. It's a big risk for one race. 630 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: And also to win a lot of them, not close. 631 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Kemp beat Stacy Abrams, who was a well 632 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: funded challenger by almost eight points. He's a great email 633 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: from Julio. Oh yeah, he's a vip Hi to both 634 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 2: of you, and thank you for the show. I was 635 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: born and raised in Venezuela and came here shortly after 636 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: Chavez got into power. And you guys are correct when 637 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 2: you said socialism destroyed Venezuela. They sell the idea they're 638 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 2: fighting for the poor, which is a lie because there 639 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: are more poor people and misery in Venezuela than ever before. 640 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: That must all caps never happen with the USA. That's 641 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: why it's always funny, buck when democrats try to lecture people, Oh, 642 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: you don't know what socialism really is. Oh, you want 643 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: to tell Venezuelans really the people who are risking their 644 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: lives to get here, to fight for the freedoms that 645 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: many of us unfortunately take for granted on a. 646 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: Day to day basis. 647 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: Now, I think they have a pretty good idea, same 648 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: thing for the Cubans, of what socialism can do. 649 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: Oh so I always say this, Some of the people 650 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: you'll come across who appreciate and love America the most 651 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: are those who have come here from totalitarian regimes, legally 652 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: come here as true refugees, which is an important thing 653 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: and is something that you know, should continue on, not 654 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: the abuse of this notion that goes on at our 655 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: southern border right now, because they understand when things go 656 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: badly what that really means. They understand if you're in Ambodia, 657 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: or you're in Cuba, or you're in Venezuela, or you're 658 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union, when the aocs of the world 659 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: get their way, everyone's gonna have everything and it's gonna 660 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: be great. It's actually horrible and people end up in 661 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: camps and it's awful. So there's that bit of breaking news. 662 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: As we go to finish off today's show, we'll talk 663 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: about tomorrow Mike Pence, according to NBC News officially announcing 664 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: June seventh, So we think we're going to add not 665 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: only Chris Christy, former governor of New Jersey, but also 666 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: former Vice President Mike Pence to the race. 667 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: Both next week. I think we're going to be hearing 668 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: a lot about loyalty in the weeks ahead here, which 669 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: will be interesting. I think maybe guys, it's going to 670 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: be quite a primary. We're honored you're spending time with 671 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: us talking about this and everything else going on in 672 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: the news. Thank you.