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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. All right, welcome in. I've

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Speaker 1: got some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers after my interview with

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Speaker 1: Marcus Thompson of the Athletic Bay Area guy, who's great

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Speaker 1: cover in the league. My first takeaway is Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: looked really, really old in Game four. Chris Paul was

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Speaker 1: very effective when he came in well rested to this series,

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Speaker 1: but in Game four he looked tired. He didn't ever burst,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have much juice. He had a terrible turnover

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Speaker 1: late in the game, which really sealed it for the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: And I've talked about Chris Paul. As much as I

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Speaker 1: like Chris Paul, generally speaking, we think that teams want

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Speaker 1: stars as long as they can have him. I said

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Speaker 1: the Clippers. If I was the Clippers, I'd take Kawhi

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Speaker 1: Leonard for one year at thirty six million dollars. He's

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Speaker 1: too strange, too non verbal to build my franchise around.

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Speaker 1: But if he wants to sign one year deals and

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Speaker 1: be a mercenary, I'd take him. Chris Paul wants four years,

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Speaker 1: may settle for three. When you watch him tonight, my

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Speaker 1: takeaway is probably your takeaway. I'd love him to sign

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Speaker 1: a two year deal. Remember Phoenix swept Denver in this series.

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Speaker 1: That really helped. They got a long rest after the

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Speaker 1: Clippers series, so Chris Paul looks really fresh when he

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Speaker 1: gets three and four and five and six days off.

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked like he was forty six tonight,

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Speaker 1: No burs Jue Holiday shut him down. Holiday didn't shoot

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Speaker 1: the ball terribly well, but he was a beast on

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Speaker 1: the defensive end. And he's a bigger, stronger player than

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul. You can tell that from the television. He's

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Speaker 1: twenty five thirty pounds heavier. He's stronger than Chris All

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Speaker 1: he's taller, and he really forced his will in the

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Speaker 1: defensive end. But boy, if you're a Phoenix fan Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul wants three and four years, you would have to

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Speaker 1: question it after tonight. So I bring on my friend

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Speaker 1: Marcus Thompson, The Athletic A couple of great books. One

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Speaker 1: on Steph one on k D. We'll get to those.

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Speaker 1: So my my opening takeaway Marcus, Chris Paul when well

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Speaker 1: rested looks just absolutely fantastic. But Chris Paul later in

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Speaker 1: a series when he doesn't have big rest. I thought

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Speaker 1: Chris looked so tired and so worn out tonight. And

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, if I'm Phoenix, I'm watching that

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Speaker 1: game thinking I'm not signing Chris Paul to a three

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Speaker 1: year deal. What did you make of Chris Paul's performance.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with that. It's Russ's you know, that's fifteen

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Speaker 1: turnovers in three games. This is yeah, very un Chris Paul. Like,

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Speaker 1: do you think he looks thirty six years old? I

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Speaker 1: do think we're seeing Chris Paul, you know, some of

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Speaker 1: the issues we've had seeing him sustain for a long series. Think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this might be three more games, right, he

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Speaker 1: might have to knuckle it up for three more games.

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Speaker 1: He's got to play better, he's got to bounce back.

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Speaker 1: He's doing pretty good a kind of orchestrating things. He's

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Speaker 1: still the consummate floor in general. The problem is they're

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Speaker 1: set up for him to be more than that. He

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Speaker 1: can't be out there just okay, here you go, book,

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Speaker 1: here you go. Aiden. You kind of need Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: to get you twenty five, right, So I think it's

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Speaker 1: surprising to see him turn the ball over like this.

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Speaker 1: But also they got to figure out a counter because

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Mike Budenholzer was doing game one,

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Speaker 1: but game two he said, Hey, Drew, I want you

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Speaker 1: and Chris Paul and I want you to just harass

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Speaker 1: it's been a problem for Chris Paul. It's been a

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Speaker 1: big problem. And if they don't figure that out, they

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Speaker 1: this could go down as the latest and a list

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Speaker 1: of disappointing insta Chris ball well on Holidays thirty pounds heavier.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Drew didn't shoot the ball particularly well. But

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Speaker 1: you know it's funny like they need Middleton to be

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Speaker 1: They don't need Drew Holiday. I mean, they've got some depth,

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Speaker 1: they got an eight man rotation. They don't need Holiday

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Speaker 1: And I sat there and I watched Drew Holiday, and

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Speaker 1: the defensive end. You know, he's a funny player that

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Speaker 1: This is a high profile series for him. Now people

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Speaker 1: Drew Holiday is underrated, and now he's overrated because I

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Speaker 1: on the Drew Holidays underrated man, right, don't don't kick

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Speaker 1: like I'm still feeling like Drew, Like we gotta respect

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Speaker 1: Drew's name and his game because look, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: being a little facetious here, but yeah, Drew Drew has

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Speaker 1: you know, some people are calling him Drew Bledsoe, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: but man, it's hard, it's hard to do what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to Like, this is Chris Paul we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: This isn't Patrick Beverley, right, This isn't like you know

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Speaker 1: Monte Morris, right, this is Chris Paul. This is one

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Speaker 1: of the all time greats, and his assignment is to

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Speaker 1: make his life miserable and make him less than the

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Speaker 1: You need him to do that, and he's done it

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Durant, like, he's done it, like you pick

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Speaker 1: But if they could get something from pat Cottonton and

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Speaker 1: Brook Lopez, that's right, he didn't need it, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: but if pat Cottonson is airball and threes, then you

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Speaker 1: kind of need Drew. I feel like if Drew's hidden shots,

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Speaker 1: you can't beat Milwaukee, right, But it was Drew and

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Speaker 1: Middleton or hidden shots with Yann's being honest, you're not

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Speaker 1: because those dudes all three of the shots, all the time, right,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the job he's doing on Chris Paul. You

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Speaker 1: rds of Colin And I don't know how this is

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Speaker 1: gonna shake out in finals MVP. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: Lebron being guarded by Igo Dollar twenty fifteen. And he

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Speaker 1: didn't stop Lebron, but he just made his life so

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Speaker 1: difficult that over time it had this cumulative effect. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And obviously Chris Paul is not putting up the numbers

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Speaker 1: You know. But he got his percentage down. He made

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Speaker 1: can I can I get some kind of help? I

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Speaker 1: feel like Drew is that figure on this team where

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Speaker 1: he's like, look, I'm just gonna take the best well

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Speaker 1: the head of the snake, and I'm going to make

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Speaker 1: this dude not want to be here, right like, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make it miserable, and that for me, that's a

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Speaker 1: pretty significant seat at this level. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: still like Phoenix to win this series. It feels like

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Speaker 1: I picked Phoenix in six. I'll pick him in seven.

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Speaker 1: They finished the season and the series at home. I

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Speaker 1: do think, you know, they prefer an up tempo and

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Speaker 1: they're not getting it as often as they'd like. Booker

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Speaker 1: come on, it's the intensive in the last six to

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Speaker 1: eight minutes of that game. We just got to get

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Speaker 1: over it. That's the reality of it. You're gonna stars

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Speaker 1: are gonna they don't. Referees don't want to foul out stars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was my take on So we get

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Speaker 1: swallow it, right, like if you get run with a

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Speaker 1: pandemonium in the streets. But I do look at Phoenix

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Speaker 1: and here's the upside. Chris Paul was a complete non factor.

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Speaker 1: In fact, was fairly miserable, and that game came down

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Speaker 1: to the last minute and a half. Like I think,

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Speaker 1: the next three are at home, I still like Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, I mean, I agree, like these aren't I

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Speaker 1: mean Game three, you know Milwaukee ran away, but you

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Speaker 1: know this was a survival right here, Like that's right.

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Speaker 1: A couple plays go a different different way. You know,

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Speaker 1: Joannis didn't get that block right, Like you're talking about

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Speaker 1: All they did was hold served. They have to win

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Speaker 1: in Phoenix. I don't know how they're gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem. They gotta win in Phoenix. Phoenix is

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Speaker 1: incredible at home because in Phoenix, like but cal Bridges

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Speaker 1: never misses, right, you gotta deal with Jake Like in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: These dudes are nuts that they're so high. I've seen

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Speaker 1: they play at the pace you were talking about. Well, Marcus,

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Speaker 1: they're so young. Young teams play great at home. But

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Speaker 1: I'm in Milwaukee, I have some hope. These dudes have

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Speaker 1: never felt this before, This pressure they're about to feel

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Speaker 1: for the next two days before a game. They've never

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Speaker 1: been in a game five in the finals with everything

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Speaker 1: on the line, They've never done remember that, Remember the

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Speaker 1: Remember the Clippers close out game at home and they stunk,

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Speaker 1: was so tight. I'm just I'm just like, we don't

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Speaker 1: know how they will respond, right, Uh, you figure Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul will bounce back. The dude is too good. Book

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Speaker 1: is gonna be booked, right, we know he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: um Aiden has been one of the most consistent players.

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Speaker 1: It comes down to Michael Bridge. Well it comes out

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Speaker 1: of Chris Paul not looking like he looks tonight, right,

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Speaker 1: but did you throw in It's the Michael Bridges. It's

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Speaker 1: the Cam Johnson, right, it's there. It's the campaigns. Phoenix

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Speaker 1: has this like conveyor belt of really good role players.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how they are feeling right now? How are

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Speaker 1: game five and it's time, right, I mean, how will

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Speaker 1: yan Is spare at the free throw line? Right? Like? Now?

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Speaker 1: Now we got a series Colin that was about to

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Speaker 1: go down, And if I'm Milwaukee, I'm saying I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know if these dudes are cut like that

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Speaker 1: they haven't been through this. Uh they are. They aren't

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Speaker 1: even supposed to be here yet, right, They've got to

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Speaker 1: skip the step, So maybe they aren't ready. But I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't put money on it because Phoenix is really good

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Speaker 1: at home well. And I also think sometimes when you lose,

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Speaker 1: a half hour flight home, and I think Phoenix is

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Speaker 1: probably saying, hell, Chris was just irrelevant. You know, we

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Speaker 1: It is exhausting. It is exhausting. Not granted, I'm like

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Speaker 1: feel you, Marcus, That's all I need tonight into the morning,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Thompson. I think he's as good as anybody that

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback ever. Belichick didn't care, Bart Starr,

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Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi didn't care. Joe Montana, Bill Walsh didn't care.

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Speaker 1: That's the construct of the NFL business. It's different than

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Speaker 1: the NBA. And you know it's funny. My childhood, a

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Speaker 1: so needy people wear me out. I've had friends, I've

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Speaker 1: dropped relationships, I've ended. If you're seeking approval and Pat's

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Speaker 1: on the back, I'm the wrong guy to hang out with.

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Speaker 1: But as I watch Aaron and you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: as Hollywood friends, and I live, you know, fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: in the business, a lot of executives, you know, behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors. They talk about kind of that DNA, that

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Speaker 1: that personality makeup that you deal with constantly. It's Hollywood's

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Speaker 1: like baseball. If you're a three hundred hitter, you're a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. You get turned down seven out of

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Speaker 1: ten times. And that's if you're a star. And Midwestern

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Speaker 1: people are, if nothing else, self reliant. You know, they

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Speaker 1: don't make the most money. They don't get talked about.

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Speaker 1: The jobs are harder, the weather's worse. And I've always

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Speaker 1: thought Aaron is such an odd fit in Wisconsin. He's

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Speaker 1: such an odd fit in the middle of the country.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you couple that with what is

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Speaker 1: transpired in the NFL over the last five years now,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks were always stars. They were always the most important player.

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Speaker 1: But there was a time in the NFL twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: great defense and a star running back could lead your

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Speaker 1: days are gone. It doesn't matter that Buffalo or Kansas

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Speaker 1: City don't have profound running games or great defenses. They've

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Speaker 1: got the quarterback. Because the rules have all been altered

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Speaker 1: to make the game fast, high octane and spectacularly offensive.

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Speaker 1: And so now you have equipped quarterbacks with even more power,

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Speaker 1: so more than ever, an ability to handle that glamor

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Speaker 1: handle that stardom will become really important. Brady has handled

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Speaker 1: it flawlessly, overwhelmingly for most of his career, so as

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. So we're now giving Aaron Rodgers, whose makeup

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Speaker 1: is a little Hollywood, a little needy seeking validation, seeking

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Speaker 1: his opinion be heard. We've now given him this unrivaled power.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Aaron's ever truly going to be happy.

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Speaker 1: I think it bothers him that Matt Stafford ended up

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Speaker 1: with a Ram's roster. I think it drives him nuts

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Speaker 1: that Brady, though Brady didn't have any freedom when he

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Speaker 1: was Aaron's age, it drives him nuts to some degree

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Speaker 1: that he's just stockpiling Super Bowl trophies and now he

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Speaker 1: has power and he's heard in the front office. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a weird stat with Aaron Rodgers that I uncovered

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Speaker 1: about six or seven years ago and started discussing, And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. For how profoundly successful and

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Speaker 1: talented he is, he has fewer fourth quarter comebacks than

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Think about that then, Matt Stafford, Why Aaron's

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Speaker 1: not a foxhole guy. Aaron's a bit of a front

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Speaker 1: runner again with a lead Eron's comfortable, fantastic, the spotlights

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Speaker 1: on him, he's getting validation where he is basking with

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Speaker 1: a lead, He's comfortable. But Aaron trailing Layton games. That's

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Speaker 1: not his personality. He tends to be more cynical than optimistic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we also Wilson is almost corny. He's so optimistic,

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Speaker 1: but look at all his fourth quarter comebacks. You know,

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Speaker 1: a business guy once told me, a really successful guy,

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Speaker 1: he said, you have to be optimistic to be a billionaire,

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Speaker 1: because all businesses, no matter how successful they are, Netflix, Amazon, Docu,

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Speaker 1: Signed Zoom, overcome obstacles in a daily basis. You're constantly

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Speaker 1: pivoting in business. It's so competitive. You have to believe

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Speaker 1: you will endure. You have to believe there's a solution

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Speaker 1: to your problem. And that's a really important quality of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You have to be optimistic, almost to a Tom Brady, Russell, Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck a level that's that almost doesn't sound authentic.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's Aaron's personality. I think Aaron's absolutely brilliant,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think he has the personality and the

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Speaker 1: makeup of what you'd ideally want your quarterback to be.

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Speaker 1: He's just so goddamn talented that it works. This is

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Speaker 1: not a criticism of Aaron, but when you watch somebody

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Speaker 1: play for a decade and you hear how the acts,

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Speaker 1: you just come to certain conclusions. I remember years ago,

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Speaker 1: I had said about fifteen years ago on the air,

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Speaker 1: I hate his body language. I think he's an unbelievable talent,

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Speaker 1: but his eye rolling, he stands by himself on the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. Then you started hearing, you know,

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Speaker 1: occasional teammates criticizing than like his brother or his parents.

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Speaker 1: And I got a lot of heat from like the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee or the Green Bay Press. And then Bob McGinn,

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Speaker 1: a longtime writer who now writes for the Athletic I

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Speaker 1: believe for the Packers, came out and acknowledged about five

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Speaker 1: years ago when he left the local paper, Aaron is

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Speaker 1: a lot of work. So you know, that's why I

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Speaker 1: just can't I've taken Green Bay out of the super

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Speaker 1: Bowl window. I always feel like my career I picked

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Speaker 1: the right career. I talk. I talk to myself, I

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Speaker 1: talk in the car, I talk when I jog. I'm

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Speaker 1: a professional talker. I pick the right profession. I get

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Speaker 1: to have any opinion I want. I get to talk.

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Speaker 1: I really lucked into picking the perfect profession. Aaron is

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Speaker 1: super talented, but I'm not sure he did. When I

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Speaker 1: was watching him on Jeopardy, it was almost as if

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Speaker 1: that was the perfect role. He gets to be the

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Speaker 1: smartest guy in the room. He has all the answers,

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Speaker 1: he gets to tell people when they're wrong. He controls

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Speaker 1: essentially the tempo of the game and just has to

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Speaker 1: occasionally throw to a commercial instead of a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: who he disagrees with and doesn't trust. And it's not

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Speaker 1: a criticism. I think his personality isn't ideal for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I go back to that stat with Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: where he has very few come from behind wins, which

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Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. Fewer than Matt Ryan, fewer than

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, fewer than Derek Carr. It's unexplainable other than

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Speaker 1: that Aaron feels the special wants to be heard, is

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Speaker 1: not about overcoming. Is kind of a needy guy, which

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Speaker 1: is the opposite of people who wear cheese hats at

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Speaker 1: fifty years old and go to his games and sit

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Speaker 1: in nine degree weather to cheer on Aaron Rodgers. All right,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Marcus Thompson. Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers at

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