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Speaker 1: Let's right, that's right, the playoff edition. Let's right. Heck
Speaker 1: Ma Harrison, Barry Church, knew, we scrugs all right. Just
Speaker 1: left the locker room. I was trying to stick around
Speaker 1: to see if I could could hear dat, but it
Speaker 1: was just Tony Pollard and Michael Parson, so he peasy.
Speaker 1: Mike Parson said, we are entertainers. It's gonna be put
Speaker 1: on a show. Oh and he was talking about the
Speaker 1: question between because Clarence Hill poor Star Telegram asked him
Speaker 1: about Nick bos He said, anxious to show and you
Speaker 1: know you're who the real defensive player of the year.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, no, not against both good play.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, what's gonna do his thing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do my thing. We're entertainment. We're going ahead and
Speaker 1: put on a show. So how great would it be
Speaker 1: if we saw a show between those two guys, you know,
Speaker 1: getting after That would be fun. That would be fun
Speaker 1: to watch in today's National Football League, which is all
Speaker 1: about just you know, offense offense, to see two guys
Speaker 1: dominating get out to the quarterback. I would I would
Speaker 1: have any shoes with that. Yeah, I f I think
Speaker 1: it would be fun. I think it would be fun
Speaker 1: to watch. You know, Dak Prescott wouldn't like you know,
Speaker 1: Nick bos Are coming around and giving us all the show.
Speaker 1: So hopefully they can block him up somehow, some way.
Speaker 1: But that that guy is a force. If we look
Speaker 1: at it, that guy is a force. He's probably, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive player of the Year, and for a reason. Eighteen
Speaker 1: and a half sacks. He's always affecting the game, whether
Speaker 1: it's batting down passes, tackles for laws, sacks, force fumbles.
Speaker 1: The guy he's a five tool player out there. So
Speaker 1: he's just studding his own regard. But I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: a big briefcase. Yeah, man, the big Bazooka to come
Speaker 1: and do what he did last week against Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: because you know, going into that game, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no way he's gonna be able to affect the
Speaker 1: game as far as stats is concerned. I thought he
Speaker 1: would be getting double teamed and the most he can
Speaker 1: do is open everything up for the rest of the
Speaker 1: defensive line. But he showed he's more than just a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. He went up there, bat noose back, Paul's
Speaker 1: down quick getting after Tom Brady. So I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: a big briefcase to have another one of those Virtuoso's,
Speaker 1: one of those great games out there, because they're gonna
Speaker 1: need it because perdie in this offense. Even though he's
Speaker 1: a young seventh round rookie, the guy has some promise
Speaker 1: and he's six and o four reasons, So we need
Speaker 1: the big briefcase to show up. Nick Bosa, you know,
Speaker 1: sit over there and just just relax for a little bit. Now,
Speaker 1: you you better prepare yourself for a show. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be like that regardless. I mean, this is the division,
Speaker 1: this is the round that everybody is going to bring
Speaker 1: their best stuff. I think that the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: with Nick Bosa, he is the forced multiplier for that
Speaker 1: front line, just like my Parsons is for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He makes guys like Eckabon, ken Law in Armstead. He
Speaker 1: makes those guys better. Not to say that they're not
Speaker 1: great players, because they are. Um. The one thing that
Speaker 1: I've noticed about San Francisco and the defense, especially the
Speaker 1: front line, is just how smart those guys play. Um. Literally,
Speaker 1: it's it's a treat to turn the tape on and
Speaker 1: watch a defense play the way that these guys play.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's all out. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've ever seen anybody as good as Fred Warner and
Speaker 1: the linebacker position. He reminds me of the Seattle linebackers
Speaker 1: back in the day when them boys like him and
Speaker 1: green Law play in concert together like that. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: But what can you say about Nick Bosa? And he's big,
Speaker 1: he's physical, his mature, the way the way that he's
Speaker 1: built up. I mean I want that, you know, I
Speaker 1: want Michael to look like that, you know, because of
Speaker 1: the way that he's built. But Michael knows man, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be a showdown. And for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Micah has to be the Buzuka. He has got to
Speaker 1: He's got to take this game over. It's not this Oh.
Speaker 1: He had the effect of getting other guys, you know
Speaker 1: making places. No Number eleven has to make some plays.
Speaker 1: You have to come away Sunday night saying Micah did
Speaker 1: this was this impact play by number eleven? And I
Speaker 1: think and I know for you, maybe you know, being
Speaker 1: on the field with other competitors, knowing that you're gonna
Speaker 1: be across from another safety on the other side that
Speaker 1: you may admire, look up to, that brings the best
Speaker 1: out in you. So I expect for Bosa just being there,
Speaker 1: his presence to bring the best out of Micael. This
Speaker 1: is what you love about football this time of the year.
Speaker 1: These are you know, you got the four best teams
Speaker 1: left here who've earned their way here, and let's go
Speaker 1: out there and see what they can do. And you
Speaker 1: need you need your stars to win, you need your
Speaker 1: starts to win. And I just I'm just very man, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed to get out here to go watch this game.
Speaker 1: Something I love to see. And I just want to
Speaker 1: see too, great defensive player do their thing. I just
Speaker 1: want I want to see greatness. I want to see that.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see. I want to see
Speaker 1: the people do do what you do. And you know,
Speaker 1: best team will win. But This is in an offensive
Speaker 1: league where they have legislated the rule against the defense
Speaker 1: all day long. To see what these guys are doing,
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand how special it is. You know,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are getting rid of the ball quicker than ever.
Speaker 1: So to see what Bosa and Michael Parsons is doing,
Speaker 1: to me, it really is is special. And to see
Speaker 1: both guys on Sunday, man, I'm I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: the treat and obviously both offensive lines I've got to
Speaker 1: figure out. When I talked to Cooper Rush yesterday, he said, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know when you get you got to find out
Speaker 1: where ninety seven is and vice versa. You know, brid
Speaker 1: Purty Septon line and offensive. Okay, where's eleven? So that
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the cool part about it. And
Speaker 1: then you mentioned Fred Warner. You know, how does take
Speaker 1: Lord's feed off? The things that that that Michael Parsons doing,
Speaker 1: Adorance Armstrong, I mean that this this is what great
Speaker 1: players do. Other people are able to eat. I mean
Speaker 1: for years we talk about the one is Taylor how
Speaker 1: great he was? But boy, how was Harry Carson's and
Speaker 1: Gary Reasons and Carl Banks, you know, and Jim Bert
Speaker 1: all these other people who are on that defense too,
Speaker 1: you know, when they're having to focus on on the superstar,
Speaker 1: I mean some other people can get free and get
Speaker 1: and do some damage as well. So it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate Justesse Peter's playing at all. I don't
Speaker 1: think any of us do. Um So that means Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith to be left tackle and Tyler Smith at left tackle,
Speaker 1: H Connor mcgovernor left guard. Okay, well, I'm sure they'll
Speaker 1: throw some things their way here with ninety seventy, which
Speaker 1: that's what you should do. You're gonna have to test them.
Speaker 1: And this will be a great opportunity for for mcgovernor,
Speaker 1: who's about to hit free agent market, and for Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: who in my opinion is going to be the long
Speaker 1: term solution and left tackle, to get some get some experience.
Speaker 1: And this this is this is what you as fans,
Speaker 1: This is what you look forward to. You look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing this kind of game with these kind of
Speaker 1: matchups man, especially on the offense defense and you look
Speaker 1: at you know, their defense at forty nine defense. You
Speaker 1: talk about both of those linebackers in green Law and
Speaker 1: Fred Warner, how they reminded you of a young Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner and I forget the other guy's name that ran
Speaker 1: with him, but those two kJ right, those two were formidable.
Speaker 1: So to me, the weakness of that at that forty
Speaker 1: nine ers defense, it's got to be the secondary. And
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, a super weakness, because they're still
Speaker 1: got some legit players out there, but out of all
Speaker 1: the levels, the line, linebackers, I feel like that secondary
Speaker 1: you can attack them because if you looked at that
Speaker 1: game last week and they had um was my guy.
Speaker 1: The quarterback was my guy for the Seattle Seahawks. Gino
Speaker 1: Smith all right, Gino Smith, I don't think he's anywhere
Speaker 1: near the quarterback that Dak Prescott is, but he was
Speaker 1: able to dice that secondary a little bit. Him and
Speaker 1: him and Metcalf had a couple connections out there. Metcalf
Speaker 1: had a huge afternoon. I think he went for a
Speaker 1: buck thirty out there receiving. So I feel like you
Speaker 1: can attack that that secondary overall. But what it comes
Speaker 1: down to is can this officsive line who performed well
Speaker 1: last week against Tampa Bay, can they hold up against
Speaker 1: those studs upfront, Because it ain't just you know, one
Speaker 1: guy like Vitavea, you got you're gonna have the nick bosas,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the air says all the guys you mentioned,
Speaker 1: can they hold up against that devins of mine? If so,
Speaker 1: I think it gives Dak Prescott an opportunity to do
Speaker 1: some damage. And last week it was all about Todd
Speaker 1: Bows and how he was going to approach it. And
Speaker 1: you know, I laugh with you, man, because on a
Speaker 1: text chain just about the way that I don't want
Speaker 1: to call it arrogance, but his thing was, we're gonna
Speaker 1: crowd the line of scrimmage. We're gonna bring more men
Speaker 1: than you can block, all right, And so if I'm
Speaker 1: demko Ryans, if it ain't, I'm not gonna change from
Speaker 1: what I saw Todd Bows doing because I feel like
Speaker 1: my personnel is better they are, you know, and I
Speaker 1: can get I can do that same if this is
Speaker 1: a copycat league, because so I can do the same
Speaker 1: thing that he did with better personnel and expect a
Speaker 1: better result. Because if I'm bringing seven and it's five guys,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna come unblocked, and I'm gonna make it where
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott asked to make the easy read, the quick read.
Speaker 1: That's why it's pivotal that Dak has a back to
Speaker 1: back perfect game like he did last week. San Francisco
Speaker 1: is leading the league interceptions. Okay, now to think about this.
Speaker 1: Last season, we were in the same position as the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys leading the league and interceptions. But yet there
Speaker 1: were certain parts of our defense that we recognize that,
Speaker 1: hey man, we got a problem over here. San Francisco
Speaker 1: has that same blaring thing everybody's saying it. If you
Speaker 1: see DK Matcalf go for one hundred and fifty whatever
Speaker 1: he went for last week, you're thinking that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can duplicate that because they don't just have Metcalf and
Speaker 1: lock it. They have other weapons that I think that
Speaker 1: you can use. For Kellen Moore, this is that game
Speaker 1: where you come in with the game plan that's gonna
Speaker 1: make Demko Ryan's group think. And that's the one thing
Speaker 1: you gotta make these guys thing. You gotta spread them
Speaker 1: out running from side to side. We haven't seen ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb with those reverses and stuff like that, those plays
Speaker 1: like that, because we have to make this defense just say,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell they're gonna do. Next,
Speaker 1: So you have to balance it in every statistical category.
Speaker 1: They are damned in number one. So how do you
Speaker 1: overcome those things when they're not giving up more than
Speaker 1: seventy yards Russian one? What do you do? Run at it?
Speaker 1: You know? So there has there has to be a
Speaker 1: game player in this for Kelly Moore, where you keep balancing,
Speaker 1: you don't throw the ball fifty times, because that's the
Speaker 1: recipe that I think we all would say wouldn't work. So, guys,
Speaker 1: in your opinion right now, who's got a better defense?
Speaker 1: San Francisco Philadelphia. That's a tough one, and it's tough
Speaker 1: because of what both of these teams have upfront. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Philadelphia that's the better defense. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say Philip And I'm gonna say Philadelphia is better
Speaker 1: upfront because of Fred Fletcher Cox, Jordan Davis Montes Sweat.
Speaker 1: Those are guys like those are legit dudes. I think
Speaker 1: it just and I'm really splitting hairs when it comes
Speaker 1: down to that, man, I think it's separated at linebacker position.
Speaker 1: You're right, and I have to agree with you. I Mean,
Speaker 1: you swayed me when you talk about what they have
Speaker 1: on that defensive line. I mean, they led the league
Speaker 1: in sacks for a reason. And then when you talk
Speaker 1: about their secondaries, both of them, you know they're all right,
Speaker 1: they're not the greatest of all secondaries, but when you
Speaker 1: look at it big place like James Bradberry, you know
Speaker 1: they're getting Gardner Johnson at that safety. I think as
Speaker 1: an overall group, I would have to lean towards Philadelphia
Speaker 1: just a simple fact that how they can rush the
Speaker 1: pass with or how can you rush the passer? I'll
Speaker 1: say this, Um, you know, whoever wins this game, between
Speaker 1: the Niners and the Cowboys, who most likely get Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and even they'll get Philip, you're gonna get a Giants team.
Speaker 1: That's that's right, that's not gonna roll over. And then
Speaker 1: and then whoever you have to pay some Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: you're going to have. Whoever the NFC team it wins
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, they're gonna have earned it because you
Speaker 1: just look at what's left out here. Man, this is
Speaker 1: really right now for anybody to host the trophy right now,
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna have to play some really good football
Speaker 1: beat some really good football teams, man, some good quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and some good defenses. It some good players.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I mean we just kind of
Speaker 1: look at what's left out here and you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know what, there's there's no a lot rather faces.
Speaker 1: No guess what. Nobody's easy at this point in time.
Speaker 1: May there's a lot of good football teams players. Is
Speaker 1: it a far gone conclusion to say that the better
Speaker 1: defenses are in the NFC. I mean, we know the
Speaker 1: quarter was I would I would give the quarterback definitely,
Speaker 1: But as far as defenses, would you say the best
Speaker 1: defenses are in the NFC? And see, to me, you
Speaker 1: kind of answered one reason why your defense in AFC
Speaker 1: aren't is looking as good because of those quarterbacks. In
Speaker 1: a league where you know, I'm sorry if if you
Speaker 1: can't hold a receiver and Patrick Mahomes is getting some
Speaker 1: time to pass, good luck. I mean he's out here
Speaker 1: and you know what you I didn't want to tell
Speaker 1: this until but you know you are right about the MVP.
Speaker 1: It should be Patrick Mahomes. Um say that hurt. That
Speaker 1: hurt right, Now, give me some of that. But when
Speaker 1: you start to think about who Patrick Mahomes is playing with,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take away Tyreek Hill. Everybody goes, all right,
Speaker 1: we gon zero in on the tight end. The Titans
Speaker 1: still go and get off and you just got you
Speaker 1: got random dudes. This random dudes. And someone was talking
Speaker 1: the other day about how the forty nine ers decided
Speaker 1: to take Solomon Thomas sending that draft. You know, they
Speaker 1: trade it down, get let's Chicago, get Trabisky, and then
Speaker 1: they take songs. What if they taken Patrick Mahomes with
Speaker 1: Kyle Shang you know what, you know, we were all blessed. Yes, yes, goodness,
Speaker 1: you know it was sitting up here with not one,
Speaker 1: not two, not three, not for I mean it'd be crazy,
Speaker 1: but um, but that that when you think about the
Speaker 1: defense and AFC, I mean you just think about the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are out there. Man, that's that's hard. I
Speaker 1: mean you literally are just a man. We can hold
Speaker 1: these dudes at thirty. We might you know, hold the thirty.
Speaker 1: Let's hold the thirty guys. See what we can getting
Speaker 1: done here. I mean, it's it's it's that and that, man,
Speaker 1: It's it's that kind of thing when you think about
Speaker 1: there so um versus the quarterback play that we're looking
Speaker 1: at right now. I mean, you've got Jalen hurts who's hurt.
Speaker 1: We don't know the extent of how how good he
Speaker 1: could be, but we saw that last game. You know
Speaker 1: he wasn't a hun. He wasn't what he was, so
Speaker 1: he's he's compromised. Now you got a rookie and then
Speaker 1: you've got you've got Dak Prescott playing here. So um,
Speaker 1: that game, that game Saturday. I'm sorry to interrupt you,
Speaker 1: but that game Saturday is gonna be interesting between Philly
Speaker 1: in New York because what the question is, and this
Speaker 1: is the million dollar question for the whole season because
Speaker 1: they were so hot. Go ahead, we'll take a break
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Speaker 1: this too, because I'm hey, Saturday wants to get out
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Speaker 1: talk about that game between the Giants and the Philadelphia Eagles. No.
Speaker 1: And what's what's interesting and what I'm going to be
Speaker 1: looking for is they're in a situation with Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: where their offensive game plan has completely changed. You all
Speaker 1: of the things that they did in the RPO. I'm
Speaker 1: sure for Syrianna, he's having to scrap a lot of
Speaker 1: that because if you run Jayala Hurts up in there
Speaker 1: with the ac John, I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: had an ac joint and all that, it just pops out.
Speaker 1: It does its own thing, you know, and there's no
Speaker 1: control over it, just only time and letting that bang
Speaker 1: Hill is gonna it's gonna make it hell and sometimes
Speaker 1: it never goes back to where it was before with
Speaker 1: our surgery. So he's playing limited and how limited is
Speaker 1: what the Giants are gonna find out. If he can't run,
Speaker 1: that takes away from their offense immensely. That changes the
Speaker 1: complexity of their running game, because how much of that
Speaker 1: that running game that they in the success that they
Speaker 1: had was contingent on the way that he ran. If
Speaker 1: he can't do that, that changes their offense. And then
Speaker 1: you're asking him to do something that's not in his wheelhouse,
Speaker 1: and that's just be a pocket passer. That's not who
Speaker 1: he is. So it's like what a leopard or zero
Speaker 1: can't change the spots, whatever the whatever it is, he
Speaker 1: can't change. And at some point, when they're backed up
Speaker 1: against a wall, he's gonna turn back into who he is,
Speaker 1: and that who he is may get him out of there.
Speaker 1: Do y'all think Sirianni's gonna scrap it all though? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is d D or die time, Like this is
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You can go back, you can you go
Speaker 1: back to that your backup quarterback. That's die. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is that because you ain't gonna get it done. But
Speaker 1: you come in so I just like you gotta put
Speaker 1: everything on the table. I mean, because you're gonna kick
Speaker 1: yourself in AUP. But if you go out there, you know,
Speaker 1: force this gotta be a pocket guy, Gotta just distribute
Speaker 1: the ball like Dak Prescott or something like that. And
Speaker 1: that's just not his game. That is not his game
Speaker 1: at all. And you're you're one hundred percent correct when
Speaker 1: you say if he can't run the football, that compromises
Speaker 1: the entire office because if we look at it. That's
Speaker 1: how he was able to beat Dallas. That's how he able.
Speaker 1: He was able to get that chink in the Dallas armor.
Speaker 1: They was able to make Michael Parsons think by using
Speaker 1: that RPO action. If that's not available, you know what,
Speaker 1: what is this offense? Is it still a top ten offense?
Speaker 1: Is he still that m VP caliber type quarter back.
Speaker 1: I'm not so short about that. Just looking at the
Speaker 1: stats from the last game, because the season ended for
Speaker 1: both teams was Philadelphia hosting the Giants in Philly needed
Speaker 1: to win that game to get the whole field. They
Speaker 1: won twenty two to sixteen. As far as running the ball,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts had nine carries for just thirteen yards yards.
Speaker 1: That's a one point four average right there. In. His
Speaker 1: long was eight yards, drastically different from what we've seen
Speaker 1: earlier in the year. And then to from a passing
Speaker 1: standpoint twenty of thirty five for two hundred and twenty yards,
Speaker 1: no touchdowns, one interception, so he had a QBR of
Speaker 1: twenty three, a quarterback rating of sixty five. In the game,
Speaker 1: it got sacked three times and even was bigger than that.
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson has an abdominal tear. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how you go out
Speaker 1: there and deal with Kabon Tipodau with the abdominal tear.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could shoot that up. I
Speaker 1: don't know. If you can't wrap it, that ain't working.
Speaker 1: You don't realize how much you've core. You used you
Speaker 1: actually heard a core muscle, and it's like down stree.
Speaker 1: That's a challenge is if they are they are compromised
Speaker 1: in that way. And just going back and I just
Speaker 1: watched a little bit of that film just from from
Speaker 1: last week, uh for them versus the Giants, and he
Speaker 1: didn't look like himself. He didn't look like it. Hey,
Speaker 1: he was sliding, sliding when he did those runs. He
Speaker 1: was getting out the way, he was making sure he
Speaker 1: got you know, he didn't want to He did not
Speaker 1: want to be compromised in any way. But if this
Speaker 1: football game is close, if they're having to continue to
Speaker 1: commit to the run, if Lane Johnson isn't one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: I think this this this excuse me. New York Giants defense,
Speaker 1: which is red hot right now. They are red hot,
Speaker 1: and they're red hot in the right places up front.
Speaker 1: It's where they're made up. So I don't know, this
Speaker 1: is hey, man, if the Giants can pull this off,
Speaker 1: and obviously we pull this off, party at at ant Baby.
Speaker 1: They gotta have confidence though, because if you're talking about
Speaker 1: that last game against Philly, they rested, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of their players, a lot of their main guys
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes, say Quan, a lot of those guys up front,
Speaker 1: and they were still able to give Philly, you know,
Speaker 1: problems defensively. So they got to have immense confidence going
Speaker 1: into this game, especially after smacking Kirk Cousins and numb Boys.
Speaker 1: They ran hot right now. You look at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, how drastic they were from the first
Speaker 1: game of the year to the playoffs. That first Giants
Speaker 1: Eagles game was played. It was played up there at MetLife.
Speaker 1: It was forty eight twenty two wins. And in that contest,
Speaker 1: Hurts ran seven times seventy seven yards average, eleven yards
Speaker 1: had to touchdown, longest was twenty four yard carry there
Speaker 1: and then passing the ball, he was twenty one to
Speaker 1: thirty one for two hundred and seventeen yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So a QBR eighty four quarterback rading a one on
Speaker 1: one drastically different. He's hurt. And I gotta go back
Speaker 1: to what you say. If you're the Giants, look at this.
Speaker 1: You played a close game against the Minnesota and you
Speaker 1: lost it. So they came back. They're knowing, Okay, we
Speaker 1: know what to do in this spilling. We just got
Speaker 1: to finish the job. They have to have confidence. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is awful week, but still the last team you played
Speaker 1: was the Giants, and I find the Giants had coming
Speaker 1: in here. I have beat Minnesota. We're playing with house money.
Speaker 1: You know, we all we got nothing to lose here,
Speaker 1: and you Danny Dimes, Hey, man, contract numbers going up
Speaker 1: because if they don't want to pay, somebody else will.
Speaker 1: In this league, you're say, Kwan Barkley, you know you're
Speaker 1: up to I mean, may make some more cash here.
Speaker 1: And how hard seven and a half points. I don't gamble,
Speaker 1: I don't gamble, but give me Philadelphia and seven and
Speaker 1: a half that's what you hell? Yeah? I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of points, a lot of points. And
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like what the football Jesus stat
Speaker 1: is on this, but I think beating a team three
Speaker 1: times in the season. It's pretty difficult to do. And
Speaker 1: this is gonna be this would be Philadelphia's third time
Speaker 1: beating the Giants. I just think that this is a
Speaker 1: difference Giants team when when you point out the success
Speaker 1: that they had and finishing the job. But man, this
Speaker 1: is a this playoff weekend to me is what all
Speaker 1: of these teams collectively throughout the year. You you figured
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys would be there with this
Speaker 1: eception of New York. I don't think anybody expected New
Speaker 1: York and Brian dave Hold to do the job that
Speaker 1: they did, But you knew that there would be someone
Speaker 1: come out of left field, just like last year the
Speaker 1: Bingals came out of left field. You say they're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. You live the epic, all right,
Speaker 1: But there's gonna always be a team that you don't
Speaker 1: expect to get there, to get there. But my god,
Speaker 1: this these matchups for Jalen hurts to be on the
Speaker 1: custom of of an MVP and now be hurt his
Speaker 1: game is compromised. To flip it over to the San
Speaker 1: Francisco Dallas matchup. Brock Purty, a rookie, mister irrelevant, mister
Speaker 1: irrelevant playing the best football I think we've ever seen
Speaker 1: anybody play besides Tom Brady. And he's got that office clicking.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I just think that this weekend, these
Speaker 1: matchups that they have. Man, the NFL, it's got to
Speaker 1: be licking their chops as far as the ratings and
Speaker 1: how many people are gonna be tuned in. She got
Speaker 1: some good stuff, huge markets market. She got the number
Speaker 1: one market right exactly, Yes, going up in Philadelphias is
Speaker 1: the number number four, No five, five, We're four, We're
Speaker 1: four dollars four, yeah, dude, moving here, So so you
Speaker 1: got one five. Then he got the Cowboys number four
Speaker 1: against San Francisco, which they passed for San Francisco. It's
Speaker 1: like six now, so you know, but but top ten markets, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: brand names. You know, super Bowl teams have won Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So um that that on the NFC side, Man, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty That's why five spaces all that body
Speaker 1: for it? Doesn't that bring you back to those times
Speaker 1: like this? This San Francisco, Dallas, it has so much
Speaker 1: nostylegia around it, man, for you, in the ninety early nineties,
Speaker 1: like even the eighties, like people can't appreciate this. This
Speaker 1: is a rivalry. It was by the time I came round,
Speaker 1: it was it was kind of like I just banned
Speaker 1: it a little bit. I tried to cod. I tried
Speaker 1: to tell my mama was sick at the forty nine
Speaker 1: has won that game on them because I taught cash noise.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't want to go back to school that
Speaker 1: because money I was. I was at a Cowboy fan
Speaker 1: growing up. I had to. It was when you get
Speaker 1: the two jerseys. I had the blue jersey, just to
Speaker 1: show you I was that fan blue, the unlucky blue jersey.
Speaker 1: So I had that, man. I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: the the old the old um jacket with the sleeve,
Speaker 1: the sleeves, remember the led them in the jacket that
Speaker 1: had the had the silver sleeves. I had all that.
Speaker 1: Man had my rain Cowboy, rain coach, Cowboy. But my
Speaker 1: whole life, my whole wardrobe was cowboy bats from J. C. Penny. Uh,
Speaker 1: because in Georgia they only sold three things in pennies.
Speaker 1: They sold cowboys, falcons and steelers. I was it all
Speaker 1: they sold at that stuard. But yeah, man, I taught
Speaker 1: cash noise man and they lost that game. I was
Speaker 1: distraught because they had lost the NFC championship game the
Speaker 1: year before to the Philadelphias twenty seven to events. So
Speaker 1: we all expected this, We're gonna get it done this time.
Speaker 1: They were they they you know, they were these Shati
Speaker 1: Shause Cowboys. They were played better that day too, and man,
Speaker 1: they lost. And so that's eighty two. That was. That
Speaker 1: was an eighty two when they won. So fast forward. Man,
Speaker 1: about nineteen ninety six, I meet Dennis Thurman for the
Speaker 1: first times defensive backs coach at USC. I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I know you. I grew up watching you. Man. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: that catch game. Man. I cried, and Dt looked at
Speaker 1: me his head, how do you too? You cry? I
Speaker 1: sent my bad, You're right, you're right, My bad, my bad,
Speaker 1: and and and so for people like me, and heck,
Speaker 1: when they faced them in ninety two, when nobody thought
Speaker 1: they could win at Candlestick Park, to about Troy and
Speaker 1: the guys, man, I was like, man, they gonna do this.
Speaker 1: And when they won and they brought Roger Staubach out
Speaker 1: there the Candlestick Park for that when it was a
Speaker 1: bad field and all of a sudden, the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: when it didn't. They cut it close and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, man, it put Troy under center. Man goes
Speaker 1: back to pass, hits Alvin Harpery beat Day in the hall.
Speaker 1: Who fell down there? He runs down there inside the
Speaker 1: red zone. Emmett punches an ind they're going to Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Man for diehard Cowboy fans, man, it was yesterday. Yes,
Speaker 1: there are two games that I, as a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: I needed to have them win. I needed them to
Speaker 1: beat San Francisco that day, and then I needed them
Speaker 1: to beat the Steelers and Super Bowl thirty. Those were
Speaker 1: like we like, I need I need this as a
Speaker 1: Cowboy fan. I need this redemption to wipe away the
Speaker 1: memories of the catch and to wipe away Super Bowl
Speaker 1: thirteen because I tell people all the time, and you
Speaker 1: notice heck too, there were so many gold jackets lost
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys and Super Bowl thirteen first rematch in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl between the Cowboys and the Steelers, and
Speaker 1: the team who won was going to be the first
Speaker 1: team to win three Super Bowls in history. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: would have been back to back champions because they won
Speaker 1: Super Bowl twelve, would have beaten the Steelers. You know,
Speaker 1: so Drew Pearson doesn't have to wait forever in the
Speaker 1: day to gain Cliff here all that, all those school
Speaker 1: jackets were loss in Florida, and then the dan referee
Speaker 1: ran in front of Franco, ran in front of Charlie
Speaker 1: Wallings were to the Franco run for like a thirty
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. That Jackie's been dropping the ball neither. There
Speaker 1: were just so many things in that game, man, you
Speaker 1: know me and Joe Green told me later on, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a concussion in the game. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they stopped running, but thank goodness
Speaker 1: they did. Man, just so many things. I super if
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm here. I'm a fifty two year old man.
Speaker 1: I'm still not over that because I had to go
Speaker 1: to school. I had the kind of parents and made
Speaker 1: you go to skuy. I don't want to go to school.
Speaker 1: Why you want to go to schools? I talked to
Speaker 1: all that cash money you gotta take. Hey, you gotta
Speaker 1: take your medicine like I do. Well. I medicine all year.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to tasting. They didn't had tasty cakes.
Speaker 1: They should they should have had that tasted kin't ready
Speaker 1: for you and why are you trying to Hey, it's
Speaker 1: like you're trying to be on me so hard for
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Speaker 1: So the football watching this weekend is gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: it is going to be nice. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: head coaches in this. Mike McCarthy against Kyle Shanahan, I
Speaker 1: would dare say right now, I would it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a stretch to say Kyle Shanahan's the best
Speaker 1: play caller in the National Football League. To do what
Speaker 1: he's doing with Brock Purty, to get Christian McCaffrey midway
Speaker 1: through the year, I mean they he knows what he
Speaker 1: wants to do and they go out there. Would agree.
Speaker 1: And Mike McCarthy, my opinion, the most underappreciated Super Bowl
Speaker 1: winning coach we have in the National Football League. I
Speaker 1: would agree as well. You know, here's the team who
Speaker 1: first year COVID year not good. Since then, won twelve
Speaker 1: games each season eleven and nine in the playoffs. We've
Speaker 1: not seen Tom Brady suffer a defeat the way that
Speaker 1: he has in his playoff career, and uh, we should
Speaker 1: in my mind, Jerry even said it, but to me,
Speaker 1: let's not even bring him this job sat somebody with Karthy.
Speaker 1: But how do you guys see this matchup? But these
Speaker 1: two coaches coming into this football game, You know, I
Speaker 1: think that obviously the familiarity between the two of these
Speaker 1: coaches is important. Excuse me, between the defensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: the head coach of San Francisco is important. These guys
Speaker 1: know each other pretty well. So I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: a lot. It's gonna come down to that matchup. Offensively,
Speaker 1: I think Shanahan when when I talk, when I think
Speaker 1: about him, he's a chip off the old block. His
Speaker 1: old man was the block. Though, yeah, okay, as far
Speaker 1: as the play call is concerned, his dad was the best,
Speaker 1: all right. He has done the best at implementing a
Speaker 1: system that is obviously easy enough for a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: to come in and use it. A backup pick to
Speaker 1: come I mean, excuse me, a first round pick to
Speaker 1: come in and use it. We've seen Jimmy Garoppolo, come
Speaker 1: in and be successful. All you gotta do is not
Speaker 1: rock the boat, you know, do what's what they play,
Speaker 1: Do the plays that they call, and don't rock the boat.
Speaker 1: Don't turn the ball over. And that's where I give
Speaker 1: him the systems part of it. When I saw I
Speaker 1: just gotta say this, man, when Christian McCaffrey got traded
Speaker 1: to in the middle of the season, to San Francisco,
Speaker 1: I said, well, well, damn you know what, dude, Shanahan
Speaker 1: a favor in the NFL, you know, give it, give
Speaker 1: him the piece that literally his style of play was
Speaker 1: missing because all he needed, literally all he needed was
Speaker 1: Devo got hurt and then he gets Christian McCaffrey. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that down there one's white, one's black. But if
Speaker 1: you switch up, you know, journey never know, You never know.
Speaker 1: Because of what Christian McCaffrey can do and what Devo
Speaker 1: can do for Mike McCarthy. So much of his legacy
Speaker 1: has been tied to Aaron Rodgers, which is unfortunate because
Speaker 1: you would think, you know, a lot of coach quarterback
Speaker 1: combinations they give the coach more of the credit than
Speaker 1: they do give the quarterback. But this vice versa with
Speaker 1: Mike in Green Bay. They give Aaron Rodgers all the
Speaker 1: credit for that. They don't say anything about the defenses
Speaker 1: and how those guys were. They give Aaron Rodgers credit
Speaker 1: for those victories. But I think that Mike McCarthy has
Speaker 1: done such a great job in the three years that
Speaker 1: he's been here. Let's he's not gonna get a mulligan
Speaker 1: for the COVID year. Nobody cares about that either way.
Speaker 1: Coaching twelve and five, two twelve and five seasons back
Speaker 1: to back. Last year not what he wanted going out
Speaker 1: in the first round, but this season, having his coach,
Speaker 1: having his quarterback go out for five games, he did
Speaker 1: a superior coaching job. There are not a lot of
Speaker 1: coaches in this league that can win the games that
Speaker 1: he won without your number one quarterback, and he did
Speaker 1: that and he doesn't get any credit for it. But
Speaker 1: I think this matchup between these two guys that are
Speaker 1: really kind of I don't know, if you talk about
Speaker 1: the way that they're trending, both of them at this
Speaker 1: point are trending in the same direction. I think the
Speaker 1: respect for Mike McCarthy is starting to turn around because
Speaker 1: people are starting to understand and give him credit for
Speaker 1: the coaching job that he's done this year without a doubt.
Speaker 1: I mean, when we look at Mike McCarthy and what
Speaker 1: he's able to bring to this Cowboys team, I mean
Speaker 1: he switched up the whole culture, the whole environment. He
Speaker 1: turned it into a winning environment to where these players
Speaker 1: expect to win. You know, they don't expect to go
Speaker 1: out there and have a close game and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff. So I gotta give Mike McCarthy a huge
Speaker 1: credit for that. You already mentioned. You lose quarterback number
Speaker 1: one for five weeks. Not only that, you lose your
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame tackle for twelve weeks, You lose your
Speaker 1: you know two, your top two or one of your
Speaker 1: one of your top two, or your three corners for
Speaker 1: the whole season. You implement young guys in there, and
Speaker 1: you're still able to get the most out of each
Speaker 1: and every one of these these players out here. And
Speaker 1: I gotta give Mike mccredit, the Mike McCarthy the credit
Speaker 1: because he's the one that put this coach and staff together,
Speaker 1: and he's the one that got these guys in there
Speaker 1: and had to wear with all to know not to
Speaker 1: overstep and not say, oh, you know, I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn do his thing. I'm gonna let, you know,
Speaker 1: the young guy do his thing offensively. So I gotta
Speaker 1: give him major credit. But this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough matchup when you talk about Shanahan and what he's
Speaker 1: able to do, because the forty nine Ers, they're one
Speaker 1: of the few teams, maybe the only team that major's
Speaker 1: in that twelveth personnel. A lot of cats go out
Speaker 1: there eleven personal chat spread everybody else, and you can
Speaker 1: have these guys. He gets five receivers out in twelve
Speaker 1: bird by using a fullback, Kyle use Check, using Kittle,
Speaker 1: using McCaffrey in the backfield as a receiver. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough because what are you gonna do in
Speaker 1: that sense, I mean defensively. Then Quinn, his his big
Speaker 1: time package is gonna be that big nickel where they
Speaker 1: run their three safety personnel. Are you sure you can
Speaker 1: run that against twelve personnel on that running attack. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. It's gonna be extremely tough. So when
Speaker 1: you talk about this coaching battle play calling, I gotta
Speaker 1: lean towards Kyle Shanahan. But if it comes down to
Speaker 1: a close game and the decisions have to be made.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with McCarthy on this one. I gotta
Speaker 1: go with McCarthy if it comes down to a close one.
Speaker 1: That's so that's big for you to admit that about McCarthy,
Speaker 1: because I think the conventional wisdom around the NFL doesn't
Speaker 1: lean to McCarthy in that way. A lot of people
Speaker 1: will go towards Shanahan. Even Shanahan blew that league when
Speaker 1: he was in Atlanta and everybody to talk about that.
Speaker 1: But either way, that's why I point to Dad Quinn
Speaker 1: and him defensively because I think he knows the chemical
Speaker 1: makeup of the way that Shanahan likes to play call
Speaker 1: and vice versa. For me, I think their offense is
Speaker 1: you bring up the guy that really when I watched
Speaker 1: him on film number forty four, he is the He's
Speaker 1: the dude like forty four in twenty one when he
Speaker 1: as a lead blocker, like that's old school football. They
Speaker 1: don't play with a lead blocker no more. Its us
Speaker 1: an h back or something like this dude is legit
Speaker 1: a full time fullback. That's what he does. And the
Speaker 1: way that they can bunch you in together and just
Speaker 1: play a power game. It's just outstanding. And last season
Speaker 1: when we had that playoff game, many though they were reached,
Speaker 1: blocking those stretch players getting out on the outside. And
Speaker 1: when I look back to the Green Bay game, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I see, that power game that they played,
Speaker 1: getting us out on the outside, having Trey Von Digs,
Speaker 1: having this secondary make tackles, and that was the thing
Speaker 1: that we didn't have last year. Kaz was out there.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Demonti Kez didn't want it,
Speaker 1: but I think Kaz is completely different of a free
Speaker 1: safety than Malik Hooker. Yes, then Donovan Wilson, and so
Speaker 1: that's what that's where my confidence comes. Even this year
Speaker 1: where we've struggled, it's been a part of our Achilles
Speaker 1: hill is stopping the run. But I feel so good
Speaker 1: in an elimination game knowing that it's gonna be Malik
Speaker 1: Hooker or Donovan Wilson coming downhill to make the tackles
Speaker 1: sound tackling. You cannot miss tackles in a game like this. UM,
Speaker 1: It'll cost you, it'll kill you. I was just checking
Speaker 1: here here, UM. As we get ready to wrap the show,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys with the most experience on the team. Do
Speaker 1: you know who as the most post who's playing the
Speaker 1: most postseason games on this team? Tyra t Y Hilton,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, followed by snapper Matt Overton with seven, then
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler with six. Then it's c. J. Goodwin tied
Speaker 1: with Foulers. Yeah yeah, I know Fouler from our Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He gotta you know the NNLA in LA. So so
Speaker 1: there you go. Then then we start looking at um,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence as als. He also has six, Zack Martin
Speaker 1: has six, Jason Peters has six, so um yeah, Tyrn's
Speaker 1: it does have six as well. So that's a pretty
Speaker 1: interesting thing like that. Tomorrow we'll go and we'll dive
Speaker 1: into the fact that while the Cowboys snap that streak
Speaker 1: of you know, thirty years without a role playoff win,
Speaker 1: it's even longer when we talk about divisional road win.
Speaker 1: So this is truly a challenge for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We'll dive into that tomorrow and I'm looking forward to
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