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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman and guess what people guess what?

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Speaker 1: The NFL is always in season. Dak Prescott signed a big,

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Speaker 1: big deal. Jerry Jones may have left the defense with nobody,

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Speaker 1: but Dak Prescott's going to be the quarterback for the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Russell Wilson he may want out of Seattle.

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Speaker 1: John Gruden is a wild card renegade making crazy trades

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Speaker 1: that probably make the Patriots better and do nothing for

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. Zach Wilson b y U quarterback moving up

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Speaker 1: the draftworks justin field moving down the draft boards. What

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Speaker 1: does all of this mean for NFL futures? How can

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Speaker 1: we get ahead of it? Plus later in the show,

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Speaker 1: does one of our co hosts have a Pikachu Pokemon

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Speaker 1: card with four thousand dollars? Does he have two of them?

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Speaker 1: Are they owned by my companion? Is it possible for

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Speaker 1: the rich to get richer? Finally, we will do a

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Speaker 1: top shot pack opening on the podcast. We are hitting

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Speaker 1: all the trends. We are so digital trendy. Today we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about NFL futures. First Action Network Analysts Football

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Speaker 1: Genius someone getting dressed just to please me in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Chris Raybun plus my brother in arms, my co host

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Speaker 1: Simon Hunter Fellas, how are you going on? You know,

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Speaker 1: how to get fresh for you chat? Had a couple

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Speaker 1: get my jersey collection up, but I decided to throw

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Speaker 1: on the sweetness. You know, I should explain you are as.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a huge Bears fan and you are

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Speaker 1: dressed right now in a very very sweet Bears hat

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Speaker 1: and a very very sweet Walter Payton throwback sweetness jersey.

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Speaker 1: What does Simon do? Simon comes in looking like he's

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Speaker 1: sitting in his guest bedroom and that exactly is what

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Speaker 1: I am doing. Hi Chat. We're probably have to go

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Speaker 1: back and edit anyway, It's two chares. ARD's not to

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Speaker 1: Pika choese, you old old man. Get the Pokemons right,

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Speaker 1: jesus A graphic chars area. That's like the only Pokemon

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Speaker 1: card I kept from my youth, Like I used to

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Speaker 1: collect to but I kept that one. Chargers are just

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Speaker 1: because like it was always the one everybody was going after,

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Speaker 1: Like people will get jumped for that back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand this, this conversation, like you're too old,

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Speaker 1: You're just an old man in a normal world. If

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Speaker 1: someone said to me, Hey, what Simon Hunter like or

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Speaker 1: what's Chris Raybon like? I would be like, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: they're amazing. They're so cool, They're so good at what

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Speaker 1: they do. Raybon is as smart as anyone I've met

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Speaker 1: when it comes to thinking about the numbers, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to analyzing these games. He cares so much about

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Speaker 1: the quality of his work. He's got something thoughtful to

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Speaker 1: say about everything that we engage in sign I would say,

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Speaker 1: he's so interesting, such an eclectic background, came to this

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Speaker 1: from such a different universe, and also like really wants

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Speaker 1: to be helpful to the people that are listening to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. And then you two fuckers start talking about

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Speaker 1: charges ards and Pokemon cards like in the most serious

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Speaker 1: conversation I could possibly imagine. And you also failed to

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Speaker 1: give you yourself a similar intro. It didn't live up

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Speaker 1: to who are so you're kind of setting yourself up

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Speaker 1: to fail here. I don't need to be introduced, you

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Speaker 1: know what I am. I'm a giver. That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: I bring everybody together, I set them all up, and

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Speaker 1: I want the conversation from there to flow. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I can get out of the way. I don't listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not down though. I don't need to be the

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Speaker 1: center of it all. I can just be the guy

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Speaker 1: asking questions. You're doing that, all right, Let's get u

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Speaker 1: some questions. Then let's do some NFL futures because by

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Speaker 1: the way things have been going insane in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott signed, Russell Wilson wants to get traded. Zach

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Speaker 1: are we supposed to think about this future's board right now?

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Speaker 1: Let me give some numbers here, like we got the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys at tw to one. Simon Hunter, I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: with you give me some sense right now about how

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Speaker 1: We talked about the Cowboys like what was that a

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Speaker 1: month ago? Um, I just always say there's never a

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Speaker 1: for me, this did nothing for me. I'm staying away

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Speaker 1: from it. Yeah yeah, I talked about I wrote it

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Speaker 1: up for Action Network on Action network dot com. Thirty

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Speaker 1: point five points per game? Did the Cowboys give up

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Speaker 1: in that Prescott's for full games played. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: really tough even with you know, them gaining a little

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Speaker 1: about twelve million and savings by um, you know, the

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Speaker 1: way they structure this contract for next year. But this

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Speaker 1: because Simon, you mentioned the Washington football team, Raybond, you're

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Speaker 1: talk about the Washington football team. They're currently six to

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Speaker 1: maybe I still think the super Bowl is a long

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Speaker 1: one super bet is stupid on Washington. That's how I said,

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Speaker 1: So it's just one of these teams that, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, we don't feel confident about the Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: if you look back at their numbers, they're one of

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Speaker 1: at the grand scheme when you're doing these kind of

429
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Speaker 1: moves and you're in a division right now where we

430
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Speaker 1: don't know who normal quarterbacks gonna be. The buckets an

431
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Speaker 1: old man, and Matt Ryan is playing Atlanta. They're talking

432
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Speaker 1: about drafting a quarterback too, So I think they're in

433
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Speaker 1: a position here. Whe they've drafted a young defense, they

434
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Speaker 1: have good young weapons on all offense. They should just

435
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what they're gonna do in

436
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Speaker 1: the draft of their pick, but if I was in

437
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Speaker 1: my trade up and get one of these really good quarterbacks,

438
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna get into in further weeks. But this

439
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Speaker 1: draft class of quarterbacks, I really do think at least

440
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Speaker 1: two of these guys are gonna hit. It's just a

441
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: really strong class where a lot of these guys that

442
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: do have weaknesses, they don't have weaknesses, but one of

443
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Speaker 1: these guys is definitely gonna hit, and that's that's a guarantee.

444
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Speaker 1: I just think in there for position, the way that

445
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: division is, they have to go quarterback here in the draft,

446
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: I just don't. And then moving these pieces again at Watson,

447
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: that is great, But there's other teams I like that

448
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: are in better position than Carolina is right now. I

449
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: still think they're in such a rebuild mode that match

450
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Speaker 1: just go draft this quarterback. Raybon, your best friend, my

451
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: mortal enemy. Matthew Friedman did his mock draft recently on

452
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Speaker 1: Action network dot Com. Is most recent he believes that

453
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Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers will draft Justin fields Um with the

454
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Speaker 1: eighth overall pick. Do you like that play better than

455
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Speaker 1: trying to get Deshaun Watson. No, I mean I think

456
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Speaker 1: I disagree with you, Simon. I think that regardless of

457
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Speaker 1: where your team is, I think if you have a

458
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Speaker 1: chance to get Deshaun Watson, you get him because he's

459
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: just that kind of difference maker. Um. So, like Eddy Bridgewater,

460
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: he's mediocre. You know that the team was mediocre last year,

461
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, poor last year, you know, not even mediocre. Um.

462
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: I do think that the defense still probably another year away. Um,

463
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: I think they're very well coached, but you just have

464
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Speaker 1: to do it. If you're any team that can get

465
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson that if you need a quarterback, I think

466
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Speaker 1: you go after him. But I don't think it would

467
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: make as big of an impact in Carolina because one

468
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Speaker 1: of my favorite futures this year, and usually I'm so

469
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: down on them because everybody loves them and I'm always like,

470
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Speaker 1: you know they're gonna disappoint. Now, no one's on them

471
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of uncertainty. That's exactly when you

472
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Speaker 1: buy in New Orleans Saints. Who are they gonna have

473
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Speaker 1: a quarterback? There's three possibilities, maybe even more, maybe maybe

474
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Speaker 1: even four because you factor in Russell Wilson. But regardless

475
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Speaker 1: of who they have at quarterback, you can see Sean

476
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Speaker 1: Payton making it work. I mean Taysom Hill. It starts

477
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: with one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the league.

478
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. I mean, it was ridiculous just

479
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: how Sean Payton could scheme this thing up. I think,

480
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: even if you know it and it ends up being jamis,

481
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: I think this team is dangerous. But you look at

482
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Speaker 1: the past. You know, thirty seven super Bows, which is

483
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Speaker 1: how long Football Outsider started tracking h d v o

484
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Speaker 1: A and the team that finished number one in overall

485
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: d v o A the year before the next year

486
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Speaker 1: they get to the Super Bowl. Uh. So they win

487
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: their conference a third of the time, they win the

488
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: Super Bowl more than one in five times. Um, right

489
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Speaker 1: now in New Orleans is nine to one at bet

490
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: MGM to win the NFC. Uh and about uh you know,

491
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: plus about eighteen to one to win the Super Bowl.

492
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Speaker 1: I really like those outs I think this is a

493
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Speaker 1: year where, um, there's some value on a team that's

494
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Speaker 1: a WEE, a team that showed it can it? Can

495
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Speaker 1: you know, match up with Tampa Bay beat them two

496
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Speaker 1: out of three. Uh, you know, and a team that

497
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Speaker 1: showed it can win with uh you know, kind of

498
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks over the last couple of years, a team

499
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Speaker 1: that has shown it will draft well and maybe, you know,

500
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Speaker 1: maybe if it's if it ends up not being Breeze,

501
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, a better situation just because there were

502
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Speaker 1: some limitations UM with him. So I really like New

503
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Speaker 1: Orleans this year because this is the year they're kind

504
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: of being swept on. And Seattle as well. Seattle the

505
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: team I like every year, but we don't know Russell

506
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: Wilson is gonna be out or not. UM, so they're

507
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: a little bit undervalued as well. UM. You know, a

508
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: top five team in d v o A wins the

509
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. UM has won the Super Bowl twenty of

510
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Speaker 1: the thirty seven times at and Seattle was number five

511
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: off the strength of their offense. Their defense didn't prove

512
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Speaker 1: down the stretch. So, UM, Seattle the team you could

513
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of bet on. Hey, maybe they keep Russell Wilson.

514
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of upside there. Eleven and

515
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Speaker 1: one to win the NFC and win the Super Bowl.

516
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: But I really like New Orleans. So that's interesting, Raybon Simon,

517
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch you to respond. But the Saints, the Browns,

518
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Speaker 1: and the Seahawks are the next three teams outside of

519
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: that tier of the first say seven teams of the Chiefs, Bucks, Bills, Packers, Rams, Ravens,

520
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: and Niners. Eight teams that are all fifteen to one

521
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Speaker 1: or less. Then you get into the sort of high teens,

522
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: low twenties Saints, Brown, Seahawks. Raybon, you said, I M

523
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: that's the next three teams there. What do you think

524
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: of his take? Well, first, the Carolina of course, dude,

525
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: I would want I want to Shawn Watson. I just

526
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: said I'd be willing to give up for for Tromp

527
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: fix for the guy. I'm just saying for Carolina's situation,

528
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't do it if I was building that

529
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: franchise up, because I just see they have a lot

530
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: of really great pieces there. If they just keep building

531
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Speaker 1: through the draft, I think they could be a great

532
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Speaker 1: team in the future. I'm off the Saints just simply

533
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: because of the cap. I don't know what's gonna happen

534
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: with the cap yet, and I know Shawan Bain is

535
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: pretty savvy with trying to make loops through this cap

536
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: and around it. And if they were able to trade

537
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: for the Shawan, yeah, that'd be great because they can

538
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: they can figure out all that salary stuff with him.

539
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: I just don't know how they're gonna do it. But um,

540
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: for sure, I love the Saints and like they're gonna

541
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: have great value. I just would never bet on them

542
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: for Super Bowl. If I know for a fact it's

543
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: tysom Hill as their quarterback, I'd just he just seems

544
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: like a gimmick kind of player to me. So from

545
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: for me, I'm just staying away from the Saints just

546
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: because I just have so much uncertain me what they're

547
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: gonna do with such a bad cap. Look like they're

548
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: they're the worst team. I'm pretty sure in cap like

549
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: they're over I don't know what it was. It was

550
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: like thirty million or forty millions, but their way over

551
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: the cap right now. Yeah, you're essentially that's what that's

552
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: where some of the value is coming. You know, in

553
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: the odds like New Warwick. Everyone's kind of looking at

554
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: New Orleans and saying, how are they going to get

555
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: it done? But you've got to mention it there they

556
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: are savviier than most teams. And I think the big

557
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: thing for me with New Orleans is that even if

558
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: they have to, like all of the teams are going

559
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: to kind of struggle with the cap to a certain

560
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: extent um, But I just think New Orleans is in

561
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: better position regardless of what happens at the quarterback position.

562
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Like I think I think they've shown that they can

563
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: win with Taysom Hill, and that's big. You know that

564
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: that that's a big deal. I think, um, because you

565
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: know this is the team that around him. They're gonna

566
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: be again, they're gonna be well coached, they're gonna play

567
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: so um, even if it was tastam, I wouldn't be

568
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: too worried about about New Orleans. So yeah, I'm on

569
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: him for the first time in like the decade. I

570
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: like that Seattle idea because Seattle is one of those

571
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: teams whatever Russell Wilson is talking. There's so much talk

572
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson potentially getting traded that it automatically depresses

573
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: the value. So you're able to sneak in because the

574
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: chances are he's not going to be traded, um, And

575
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: so you're getting a really good team that could win.

576
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: You know, they're not being considered one of those teams

577
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: that would win the NFC West because of what the

578
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: Rams did and everyone assuming the Niners will get better

579
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: and because of Kyler Murray being more competitive. Whatever that's sneaky.

580
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: That's like, I like it. I like it right back. Yeah,

581
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of drama though, a lot of drama

582
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: right now in seattles. That's that's definitely something I guts

583
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: to give you pause. Especially k Metcalth and Russell Wilson.

584
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: They both even I think lock it to all complained

585
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: about the offense and this season, so hopefully they come

586
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: in they revamped the offense because last year that offense,

587
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean that was embarrassed and all they would do

588
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: is just take deep shots or then running up the middle.

589
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: It was one of those they just got super bland,

590
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: super boring towards end of the year. So I love

591
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: the value as well. I mean, Russell Wilson, anytime you

592
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: get into that kind of value to win a Super Bowl,

593
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: that's good value. So I'm not bending personally, but I

594
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: do I do understand what's saying that's good value on

595
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: him and and and when you start looking at the

596
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: division odds too, because I want to talk about the

597
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: division adds a little. You know, I know we're mostly

598
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: focusing on on Super Bowl and conference, but you know

599
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: those are obviously long shot bets. But um, you know,

600
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: Seattle's third to win the division at plus two seventy

601
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: five to win the NFC West at Draftking Sports Book,

602
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: the Rams are uh plus one eighty, the Niners are

603
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: plus two ten uh. And then the Saints over in

604
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: the NFC South, even though you know we've they've shown

605
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: that they can win with quarterbacks who are not Drew Brees,

606
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: uh their their second. But the Bucks are minus one

607
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: thirty four the Saints are plus two twenty. So both

608
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: of those are like some kind of you know, you're

609
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: still getting some some good juice and some odds for

610
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: something that's I think almost fifty fifty UM to hit.

611
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: And you're getting really good odds here with the Saint

612
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: because they, you know, they've shown that they can win

613
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: just as many games as the Bucks even with without quarterbacks.

614
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: In the end, the Seahawks they don't ever finish with

615
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: losing records with Russell Wilson, which automatically gives them such

616
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: a high floor in these division odds, so Seahawks plus

617
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: two seventy plus two twenty to win their respective divisions.

618
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: I love as well, Simon says, there's too much drama.

619
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Speaker 1: We love the drama. That's why we bet on the

620
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: Washington football team at sixty two one. It's why we

621
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: might take a flyer on the Raiders at fifty to one.

622
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: It's why we're gonna bet on Seattle at two to one,

623
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: or even on the Saints at nineteen to one. I

624
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: like all those I like everything everyone just said. I'm

625
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: spreading it out. I'm putting money on every one of

626
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: these things like they are a pack of Top Shot.

627
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing. Hey, that's a really smooth transition

628
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: speaking of Top Shot, Simon, as we learned in our

629
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: previous podcasts with Darren and about sort of the card

630
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: movement and with Jack Settlement about the Top Shot movement,

631
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: we are transitioning from our NFL Futures conversation. You are deep,

632
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: deep into top Shot. You are deep deep into the

633
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: collection of memorabilia like cards. You and Darren did a

634
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: lockbox Pokemon opening live on the Action Network Candle two

635
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: things that we're not in there because Darren was too impatient, Explain, reveal,

636
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: Reveal what's been discovered. Being Darren Dale a little show

637
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: where basically I was just going through old cards that

638
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I hadn't touched in like twenty years, and there were

639
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot. So Darren was get a little impatient because

640
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Speaker 1: I wasn't pulling out the hundred thousand dollar card, which

641
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: is what he wanted because it's Darren. But I kept

642
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: going through it and I'm gonna show him right now.

643
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: The thing that matters is the first addition symbol. That's

644
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: what people want to say, I don't know. So I

645
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: got two of them there called chars are basically charges.

646
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: Ard was this Pokemon that was like a dragon and

647
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: people are really into him in the nineties he was

648
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: like the biggest Pokemon. So this card, now, I'm just

649
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: gonna send it out to get graded and I'll show people,

650
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: now what grading card looks like. This right here is

651
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: a p S A ten card, So that's what I'm

652
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: looking for, Like that's the dream. Basically, I'm gonna send

653
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: these out, which is always scary as hell because it's

654
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: if these are grade attends, they're both worth four und

655
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 1: dollars right now in the current market. Just looking at him.

656
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: I haven't taken him out because I'm so scary to

657
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: even touch him with my bare hands. The one is

658
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be at least a nine are below the

659
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: other one is is legitimate, So I'm gonna send these

660
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: out if if they come back graded one. If at

661
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: least one of them is at ten. It's a four

662
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: dre thousand dollar card, which is pretty crazy. You said

663
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sell it, but I just honestly wouldn't because

664
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: what we've seen from the market is even when these

665
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: things go down and value, when people say that the

666
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: bubbles have burst, it always rebounds. It always comes back.

667
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Hobbies never die out, and Pokemon has one of the

668
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: most loyal, die hard fan bases in the world. So

669
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: for me, this is a long term investment where if

670
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: something I need to buy a new house or do whatever,

671
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: I can sell a Pokemon card to do that, which

672
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: is pretty crazy to say. That's an interesting take, Raybon.

673
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: We were talking a little bit about this before, Like

674
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: you you loved Chard, would you if you knew you

675
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: had a four hundred thousand dollar Charis, would you may

676
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: because you said you've kept him as well, would you

677
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: sell it? I doubt. I doubt it. Mine. Mine is

678
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: definitely not meant so uh, I probably would if I

679
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: had kept it in meant to be honest, I mean,

680
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: but like mine is just kind of I don't it's

681
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: just it's it's in decent condition, but I doubt it's

682
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: anywhere close. But my questions time and it's like, so

683
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: you you actually send it out like you keep it.

684
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: I'd fly there and I would stay for a week

685
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: and great a ton of cards. The only reason I'm

686
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: doing this right now is that I'm not that I'm impatient.

687
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: It's just I don't even want to have them. Like

688
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I had him in my I put him in my bank,

689
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: like I put him in a lockbox, and I took

690
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: him out just for the show. I just hate having him.

691
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: So I really want to go get him. I just

692
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: want to get him. Great if I just put him

693
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: back in there, because I just even having him around,

694
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: because it's just like it's it's just too much anxiety

695
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: of like something that's worth this much. That's just a

696
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: stupid card. It's just like blowing my mind. So that's

697
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: why normally I would fly out, but I'm I'm comfortable

698
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: doing the whole mailing it in because I've never lost

699
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: a card, and I know people have. I never have,

700
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: so I literally do it pretty simple. I just put

701
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: it in like a birthday card kind of thing, and

702
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: I mail it in. It's super simple, super basic, and

703
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: no one suspect that there's eight hundred thousand, uh maybe

704
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: being mailed in a birthday card. My question is, wait,

705
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: when Nate, when you ship it and they ask you,

706
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: like what the value of it for like insurance purposes,

707
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Like what do you tell them? I would like to

708
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: hear you Grard's opinion, because I've done it before with

709
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: not doing anything. I didn't have a problem, and one

710
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: time I did. I think it was like, what was

711
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: that a thousand dollar insurance or whatever it was? Maybe

712
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: it was a hundred because it was five years ago,

713
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: but it was basically it was a Lebron James rookie card.

714
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: It was lost, Like to get him from that place

715
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: to the p s A to get graded took over

716
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: like a month and that was awful, but it came

717
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: back no problem. Like when they mailed out it was

718
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: here in for three or four, two or three days

719
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: wherever it was. For these ones, I'm actually not going

720
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: to ensure because I just don't want to do any suspicion.

721
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I literally act like a million a birthday card while

722
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I go in there. So it might sound stupid and risky,

723
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: but I feel like that's how you get away with

724
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: things the less suspicious, that the easier is to get

725
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: get away with things calculated risks. I see you, I

726
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: see you, But what is your what is your concern

727
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: that like someone if they know it's insured from the

728
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: post office or from you. It's weird times right now, man, Yeah,

729
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: because everything going on baseball cards and everything, even Pokemon

730
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: cards as well. It's not that I don't trust the

731
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: U S. Mail Service. I know, like everything that goes

732
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: on with them, But what's it to them? This guy

733
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: could open this up if it's nothing, he can just

734
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: reseal it and mail it. If he opens up and

735
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: finds these two chargs rds, hey, he'll give me my

736
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: thousand dollar insurance whatever I paid them for the insurance

737
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: of it. It's just that's just the reason why I

738
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: like to be shady about it. I like to just

739
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: not to bring it into it because you never know

740
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: what people's intentions are. And that's my only wordy with it.

741
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: So that's why I just kind of do a little shady.

742
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: I think I would put it in like I would

743
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: do the birthday card thing, but I would like put

744
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: it in a box with like something like like vitamins

745
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: or something like where like something like because like I swear,

746
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: like you know, during the pandemic, I started ordering a lot,

747
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: like a ton of stuff online and I would say,

748
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: like one out of every like four or five packages

749
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: is like Camper with like they definitely they definitely fun

750
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: with packages out here. Yeah, I know, Like that's that's

751
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: why I might not mail it. But like right now,

752
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: as I stand, I'm probably going to mail them. Then

753
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: we'll see, because like right now, the more we talk

754
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: about the more I'm just like, he's probably right. Why

755
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: do I just wait a year or two and then

756
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: just fly out and get them great? Because I'm in

757
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: no rush, So we'll see. I might not mail. I

758
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: just feel like it would be cool in like a

759
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: month or two to bring them on the show and

760
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: show what they got. Great. Guys. It happens in Connecticut

761
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: to My wife ordered probiotics and when they got delivered,

762
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: she opened the package and the probiotics were not in there.

763
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: Can you believe that in the middle of Connecticut someone

764
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: stole her probiotics. Yeah, it's just such a high volume

765
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: nowadays of of things getting shipped. I think that, like

766
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: the volume of things going missing. Obviously, we're gonna increase,

767
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: right with it. Like I don't know if the actual

768
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: percentage is going up, but it just seems like me

769
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: and more and more people I know are you know,

770
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: every once in a while you get that package that's

771
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: either tampered with or something's missing, or something it just

772
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: never arrives or something like that. So yeah, man, I'm

773
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: just a little nervous for you, Simon. So oh no,

774
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna. I'm like, you're

775
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: in southern New Jersey two of the grading houses. Yeah,

776
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: like just over there. Like I've done that stuff in

777
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: the past. But it's like a process, like you literally

778
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: you take it on Tuesday at a certain time, and

779
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: then you have to come back Thursday at a certain

780
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: time to get it professional better. On football, you have

781
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: nothing else to do. Your your calendar is the only

782
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: thing you have. On Tuesday and Thursday, record this podcast

783
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: at one thirty on Tuesday, Record this podcast at eleven

784
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: am on Thursday, yeah, nothing else going on, uh, baring

785
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: bodies in my backyard. And then too, it's serf season

786
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, so I'm getting some good waves, bro.

787
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know I have no excuse. Maybe you

788
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: can kind of you know, burying bodies. You can kind

789
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: of ship it like a cofin like like they did

790
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: with the coke in the eighties. Just put it in

791
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: a coffin by it. I might mail it in a

792
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: bunch of socks. Who's gonna steal socks? That might be?

793
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would put it with like

794
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: something completely inconspicuous and just do it that way, just

795
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: like you know, throwing for throwing for a loop, because

796
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: you know who's gonna sunk with like some socks. He's

797
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: gonna open the box, like why did this guy mailing

798
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: socks and cars ard cards? You gotta put it like

799
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: a box in a box in the box, in a

800
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: box in a box. So I just like, it's just

801
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: too much work. It's just too much work to tamper

802
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: with you, like your socks, Simon, Before we go, Before

803
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: we go, I do listen. If we don't hit top shot,

804
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: then we are not doing our duty in the speculative space.

805
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: As a content engine and top shot we have to

806
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: cover and discuss. So simon, you uh saved your most

807
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: recent top shot pack and you're going to an opening

808
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: on the podcast. This is going to be a viral

809
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: sensation on the internet. So share your screen and let's

810
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: do a top shot pack opening live on the podcast. Boom,

811
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: here we go, and then Chad, you see all my

812
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: text messages. I don't read, so stop yelling at me.

813
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: You read my text messages and that's all I care about.

814
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: All right, So you guys see the rising Stars. Yes,

815
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: we see a rising Stars pack in there. Open your pack,

816
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: all right, here we go, it's opening. Come on, there

817
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: we go. No wammies, no ammy's. Let's seem in number five.

818
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: True holiday, No one cares. That is a bummer. No,

819
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I loved your holiday. Steph Curry, this is a thirty thousand.

820
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: This is my third Gordon Draggage base set. That's hilarious. Good. Oh,

821
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: here we go, carry rare dump. Wow, that's a nice pool. Right, yeah,

822
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: I think it was there. You go. At least I

823
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: get my money back. You'll totally get your money back.

824
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm not selling any of these just because I'm just

825
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna hold him, um until we really know what the

826
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: hell is going on here? Oh this is a good back.

827
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: I got that same one. Do you really this that's

828
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: a really good one. How many? Yeah? I was gonna

829
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: say how many are in this one? I had texts

830
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: Now I have this Colin Sexton too. I think you

831
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: got the same pack I got. I wonder if the

832
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: next one is gonna be Terrence Ross. This is the

833
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: last one, ship j oh Tatum. I like that one.

834
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: D That was a good pack. Ye, I won't be

835
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: a good back. Steph Curry was a really nice one.

836
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: You got a rare r J and Steph Curry and

837
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. R J is a dump too, which is

838
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. And then I got it Ben Simmons seeing,

839
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: which is a good one. All right, I don't know

840
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: that good. I don't know if you're not. You wanted more?

841
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: I wanted more. I think I told Dryball. My first

842
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: pack in January is one of the special packs. It

843
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: was five dollars for twenty four cards. Wow, so they

844
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: obviously have changed that a lot. I just paid a

845
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: hundred ninety nine for nine cards, so they've definitely been

846
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: changing the price range. My last pack I paid fourteen dollars.

847
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: There were two hundred and twenty five thousand people online

848
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: and they were giving away sixty one tho packs. I

849
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: was randomly assigned fifty seven thousand. I got Ben Simmons,

850
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Colin Sexton, and Terrence Ross. So are you jealous? In

851
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Speaker 1: my pack? A little bit got all his bad players,

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Speaker 1: except he just got a whole bunch of good ones

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Speaker 1: on top of that. Yeah, exactly. I think I think

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Speaker 1: we covered it all. We covered NFL features. I will

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Speaker 1: recap that Raybon is totally into the Saints in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Simon is totally into the Washington football team and maybe

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Speaker 1: taking a flyer on the Raiders because they can get

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Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson. We ran through your four hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollar two times, Charlizard, and we opened a pack. That

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Speaker 1: is a full That is a full podcast, folks. This

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Speaker 1: has been the favorites from the Action Network. Download on Apple, Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: on Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. For Simon Hunter,

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Speaker 1: for Chris Raybond, I am Chad Melman. Until next time,

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