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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamor, inspiration and

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Speaker 1: of course fun. Today is a monumental day in Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels history. We have our first male guest on

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Speaker 1: the show, which I normally don't allow, but he happens

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Speaker 1: to be the King of Heels and my best friend

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Speaker 1: for over twenty years. The King, the Prince, Brian Attwood.

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Speaker 1: He is truly one of the most talented footwear designers

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Speaker 1: in the fashion industry, and he's sharing his story with us,

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Speaker 1: from fit and modeling to working with the icon and

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Speaker 1: legend Gianni versacei himself. Brian's positivity is truly infectious and

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for you to hear more of his

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Speaker 1: incredible journey. So Brian is my favorite Leo, it is

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Speaker 1: Leo's season. I also want to see that Brian is

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Speaker 1: the first male to ever appear on Climbing in.

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Speaker 2: Heels Okay, true, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are the first, not the last, the first

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Speaker 1: one we have let into this studio on the spot, okay,

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Speaker 1: And I thought about it well because I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be great to talk about the man who has

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Speaker 1: designed heels for women that I have climbed in for

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years. And you know, because obviously when

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Speaker 1: I say climbing in heels, it's very tongue in cheek,

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Speaker 1: but all the women that I've had on here, I

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Speaker 1: really like to talk about the journeys of how we

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Speaker 1: get to be who we are, right because that's a

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Speaker 1: question I've been asked throughout my career is how did

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Speaker 1: you become Rachel Zoe? And my answer is always like,

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Speaker 1: no idea, There was not a plan. There was definitely

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Speaker 1: not a plan. I just worked really fucking art and

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Speaker 1: here we are. So I want to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your story because it is a really good one.

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Speaker 1: And you came up in a time where it's like

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Speaker 1: the height of fashion, literally the height of fashion. So

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Speaker 1: you did go to college. I want to start there.

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Speaker 1: You grew up where, let's share with everybody.

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Speaker 3: Grew up in southwest suburb of Chicago's Joliet, Illinois. Went

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Speaker 3: to an all boy high school, so I didn't really

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Speaker 3: study fashion barely, you know, I knew I loved art,

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Speaker 3: excited that I'm like going to kind of get my creativity.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, of course always knew in my

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Speaker 1: I was always so, like you knew, coming up as

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Speaker 1: a boy in suburb of Chicago, like fashion was clear

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Speaker 2: For sure, it was clear because because such a young I.

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Speaker 3: Think my mother had a lot to do with it,

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Speaker 3: because you know, we hear that so and so is

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Speaker 3: your muse. I really believe that she was my muse.

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Speaker 3: And I saw how she dressed. I loved her style.

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Speaker 3: I would always watch the whole process that fascinated me

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Speaker 3: I think I was captured by that magic and I

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Speaker 3: It wasn't something like art, you know art, and we

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was my.

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Speaker 1: First I remember being with you in one of my

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Speaker 1: I don't know that many people that like the dress

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Speaker 3: And I think everyone wants to pretend at some point,

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Speaker 4: And so then you went to f I t right,

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Speaker 3: Well First, because you know, I knew at such a

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Speaker 3: they said, why don't you go there like a like

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Speaker 2: Got the bachelor? You know, the whole thing. I want

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Speaker 3: And even down in the college there were some kind

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Speaker 3: So so I think and that was good and that

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Speaker 1: Were you ever like the poor fashion student or were

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Speaker 1: David Beckham documentary when she's like we were middle class?

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Speaker 3: I would say I was just enjoying. I wasn't like crazy, right, starving.

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Speaker 3: in love with it ever since. I can't get enough

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Speaker 1: No taste like it honestly. But then, okay, so how

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Speaker 3: And so exactly and I'm like, oh, I can do this.

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Speaker 2: And like say, oh, by the way, you know, modeling.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I handrod out my resume. I hand

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Speaker 3: Just living in Milan, I am working for Gianni Versace

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Speaker 3: Yes, it wasn't until Johnny asked me to create shoes

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Speaker 2: Just deal with it, and you if.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, just say yes, and then it all kind

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Speaker 3: of works out. And actually before I moved to Milan,

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Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, here's your two hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: Know, make yourself indispensable if if that's possible, as much

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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, it's a lot, and you know

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Speaker 1: And you always go out it like it's going to

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Speaker 1: our downs in our and our ups, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like you always come up smiling. Does it become like

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Speaker 1: a conscious effort that you make to do that? Like,

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Speaker 1: do you if you find yourself going I can go

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Speaker 1: dark here, but I'm not going to because I think

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Speaker 1: that's important for entrepreneurs honestly, right.

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Speaker 3: And I know when you can easily do that and

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Speaker 3: focus on the crap of a situation and turn it

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Speaker 3: into you know.

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Speaker 2: A lot more.

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Speaker 3: Just it's like, all right, do I want to focus

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Speaker 3: on that and feel like that It's just it's kind

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Speaker 3: of a choice sometimes, of course, and you know, not easy,

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Speaker 3: but I think I think I've noticed it enough so

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Speaker 3: that I can.

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Speaker 2: Stop it change it. Yeah, I can change it.

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Speaker 3: And I think that if you can notice it, you

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Speaker 3: you definitely get you know, how to change it then,

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Speaker 3: because I.

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Speaker 1: Would I would like to share that with everyone, and

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Speaker 1: I'd like to take that from you, because every time

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm reminded that you could turn this

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Speaker 1: into a happy moment. You don't have to be so

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Speaker 1: intense about something, you know, And I think, like that's

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Speaker 1: something I'm working on this year.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like find the light, right. I know

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Speaker 1: that sounds so corny, but I think it's really important.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's really important in business and it's

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Speaker 1: really important in life.

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Speaker 3: And it's completely true. They don't just make this stuff

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Speaker 3: up from you know.

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Speaker 2: This is something that.

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Speaker 4: Like clichees, exists for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Actually, right, they do exist, and it is inside you.

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Speaker 3: You can you know, be your own, you can be

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Speaker 3: your own create you know, it's all inside you. You

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Speaker 3: just have to get gets muted down. It's it gets

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Speaker 3: clouded a lot, so we kind of ignore it. We

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Speaker 3: forget that the ability is inside of us. Just have

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Speaker 3: to listen to it and know one time is to

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Speaker 3: step away for a second.

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Speaker 1: So what is next for mister Brian out with Prince Brian, Like,

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Speaker 1: what are you most excited about right now in your life?

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Speaker 4: And go forward?

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Speaker 1: Besides living in Halston's former house in Higher Island, which

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Speaker 1: is so we we love that in New York City

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Speaker 1: of course.

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Speaker 3: Just really focusing on, you know, relaunching the brand and

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Speaker 3: all of this, you know, making beautiful shoes.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: There are some media, different, different things that I'd like

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Speaker 3: to do as far as you know, fashion has changed,

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Speaker 3: you know, fashion has changed so quickly and exciting as well.

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Speaker 3: But just need to really focus on what I love doing,

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Speaker 3: and that's creating beauty and that I will continue doing.

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Speaker 2: And we need your magic.

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Speaker 4: We need your magic for as many people as possible.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely put them back on a pedestal.

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Speaker 1: And we all have to climb in Brian outwood heels forever.

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Speaker 1: So by the way I do as illustrated on my

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Speaker 1: Fire Island excursion, I know I kept those babies on.

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Speaker 4: I love you so much. We're going to do quick

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Speaker 4: rapid fire.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go. You ready? Oh my god? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Coffee or tea coffee? Who's your hero?

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Speaker 2: My mother?

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Speaker 1: Make me weep right now? I already know this answer.

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Speaker 1: Southern Italy or Southern France Italy. And you're going to

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Speaker 1: say that favorite dessert.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love it all. I mean termasu is

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Speaker 2: like right up there.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I also know this platforms or knee high boots.

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Speaker 2: Oh, platforms for sure. Yep.

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Speaker 4: What's your biggest pet peeve?

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Speaker 3: But I do it also procrastination, so I mean that

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Speaker 3: is and like being late, but but.

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Speaker 4: You're both of those.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, okay, okay, what advice would you give your twenty

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Speaker 1: year old self?

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Speaker 2: What would I give my twenty year old self?

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Speaker 3: I think really just continue to never compromise your integrity,

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Speaker 3: never compromise what.

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Speaker 2: You believe in.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's also what Johnny told me to.

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Speaker 3: And that's part of the whole school of being in

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Speaker 3: the versace. You know Todd the realm is he always

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Speaker 3: said you're here to learn, never compromise. I learned it

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Speaker 3: from him because people loved and hated his stuff.

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Speaker 2: So it was.

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Speaker 4: True, you know, but he kept doing exactly that.

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Speaker 2: He didn't care, he kept doing it.

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Speaker 3: And I think that for designer or someone who is

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Speaker 3: in the creative field is something very important because you

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Speaker 3: can always be persuaded or tend to be like, oh well,

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Speaker 3: it's not fitting into this box. Sure, but if you

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Speaker 3: fit into that box, you're competing with everyone who's already

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Speaker 3: in that box. Do something different that is very you,

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Speaker 3: and have a voice, have you know, say what you want,

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Speaker 3: stick to it.

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Speaker 2: Always, always, and it is hard.

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Speaker 3: It is hard, and it takes a lot of guts

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Speaker 3: because you might not people might not appreciate it instantly,

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Speaker 3: but I think they always come around to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, sidetracked, Sorry, it's.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Martini or Margarita, Margarita. We could be on the

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Speaker 1: Newlyweds by the way, fighting out what's another career you

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Speaker 1: would want to try?

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Speaker 3: Two architect, a rock star. I don't know which one

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Speaker 3: comes first, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think I couldn't be more different by.

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Speaker 2: The way I know.

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Speaker 3: I always think I'm a good singer, but probably not

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Speaker 3: probably architect first. I also wanted to be a plastic

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Speaker 3: surgeon because I love creating. Beauty, so I thought I'd

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Speaker 3: be really good with the face.

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Speaker 4: So all right, sorry, Okay, I love that. Okay, ask

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Speaker 4: permission or ask forgiveness.

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Speaker 2: I already know this answer forgiveness, probably Ruleston.

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Speaker 1: Apply to Prince Brian. Okay, who is your Hollywood crush?

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Speaker 2: Oh my Hollywood crush.

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Speaker 3: Let's see who's your free past with Jake Henry Cavill?

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Speaker 2: Probably okay.

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Speaker 3: And what about a woman, I mean, Angelina stunning or

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Speaker 3: past icon? I think probably Marilyn still fascinates me for some.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, same, I think, uh yeah Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Or TikTok Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I love you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love you.

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Speaker 3: You're my icon, baby, you are my icon past baby,

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Speaker 3: you are right there.

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Speaker 4: You are my icon, and I love you so much.

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Speaker 4: I love that I got to do with you this year.

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Speaker 2: Me too. It was so fun.

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Speaker 4: Love having you.

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Speaker 1: I love that you're the first honorary guy to ever.

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Speaker 4: Be on climbing and heels.

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Speaker 2: It's only appropriate.

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Speaker 1: It's only appropriate, it really is.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to my friend Brian for being

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Speaker 1: the first male guest on flimbing in heels. Tell me

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Speaker 1: if you want more, because I think I have to

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Speaker 1: add more boys to this because there are so many

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Speaker 1: men in my life that I love and respect and

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Speaker 1: would be so incredibly inspirational for.

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Speaker 4: All of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I really loved Brian's advice about saying yes and figuring

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Speaker 1: it out later. I'm actually going to take his advice.

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Speaker 1: I will see you all next week on the pod