1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: My name is Danny Smith. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: I'm a detective with Miramar Police Department. I am conducting 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: an investigation going back almost forty years in the murder 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: of Billy Hopper. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: Back in the nineteen eighties, I was starting a career 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: in law enforcement in Browie County, Florida, a native New 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: Yorker transplanted to the home of vacation meccas like Fort Lauderdale, Pompino, 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: and Hollywood Beach. What the South Florida I remember was 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 3: a place of stark contrasts. The beaches, palm trees, the 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: frozen drinks. They all seem to mask a darker side 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 3: of the Sunshine State, one of crime, greed, and a 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: creeping sense of desperation. There was just something about Florida 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: that could make good people get themselves into bad situations. 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: After years in law enforcement, I ended up swapping my 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: badging gun for a journalist's pen and pad and headed 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: back to New York to report on crimes, not solve them. 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: But in twenty twenty two, a unique opportunity brought me 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: back to the streets of South Florida to join cold 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: case detective Danny Smith as he began an incredible journey 20 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: to solve a forty year old murder, actually as many 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: as five of them together. We were looking for new evidence, 22 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: new suspects, and the truth behind the murder of a 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: twenty eight year old firefighter named Billy Halpern, all of 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: it documented in real time. I'm Scott Weinberger, investigative journalist 25 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: and former deputy sheriff, and this is cold blooded the 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: Apollo Jim murders. Shortly after six point thirty on October 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: twenty first, nineteen eighty six, police in Miramar, Florida responded 28 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: to the sixty nine hundred block of fortieth Street, a 29 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: residential neighborhood of condos and town homes in the center 30 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: of Miramar and about a twenty minute drive to the beach. 31 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: That flood of emergency vehicles prompted by a nine to 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: one one call by twenty four year old Jones Socio 33 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: moments after walking in to a horrifying scene finding her boyfriend, 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: twenty eight year old Billy Halpern, half dressed, lying face 35 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: up in the bedroom in a pool of his own blood. 36 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: So is this his community right here? 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: This is it? 38 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: This is woodscape and it's essentially a big circle that 39 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: kind of Meander's back off the main circle. They're like 40 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: town homes, but they're really right on top of one another. 41 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: In November of twenty twenty two, nearly forty years after 42 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 3: the murder, I returned to the same location with Miramar 43 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: Police homicide Detective Danny Smith. 44 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: You look at the limited crime scene photos that I 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: was actually able to get from the file. They always 46 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: look you know, photos from the outside always make the 47 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: place look so much bigger, and then I'm always surprised 48 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: at how small some of these homes are when I 49 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: actually get there. 50 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: Aside from a few potted plants and a threadbare welcome 51 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: mat in front of the front door, it looked just 52 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: like it did from the photographs in the decades old 53 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: police file Danny had dug out of storage. Was this 54 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: her house or did he live here? 55 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: This was his house and she had been living here, 56 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: I remember correctly, three years with him, And I remember 57 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: reading that she was screaming when she found his body 58 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: and the neighbors came over, and in my mind I 59 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 2: was thinking they must have just been like outside already 60 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: and they heard it. But now seeing how close these 61 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: homes are together, that makes sense. 62 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: I lived in a complex like this in pember Pines. 63 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: It was very similar to this, and yeah, you hear 64 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: the neighbors, you hear it, you can hear through the walls. 65 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: I had seen the crime scene photos, so I could 66 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: imagine what the uniformed officers must have observed when they 67 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: stepped through the door. The blood pooling from around the 68 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: victim's head, a blood stained towel pressed to his neck, 69 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: and the black electrical tape still wrapped around each of 70 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: his wrists. Another thing they would have quickly noticed. The 71 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: man on the floor was big, six foot two with 72 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: the bodybuilders for zeke is enormous muscles on full display 73 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: even hours after his death. Another thought when I saw 74 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: the crime scene photos was that was a lot of blood. 75 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: My next thought, there is no way one person could 76 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: have overpowered this guy. He was huge. Now do you 77 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: think it's a little unusual when you hear about the 78 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: fact that he was covered by a blanket? I know 79 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: in cases that I've covered sometimes when the victim and 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: a homicide, especially their face is covered, there's a psychological 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: reason around that. Sometimes the killer it makes us as 82 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: the investigator think maybe there was some connection between the killer, 83 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 3: the suspect, and the victim and they don't want to 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: see the results of what their. 85 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: Actions, right, Yeah, that's common. I would say that if 86 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: his neck being covered by the actual suspect or suspects, 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: that tells me a lot in terms of psychology. But 88 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: I believe he was covered by his girlfriend. 89 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: Because of the tremendous amount of blood that comes. 90 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: Because of the blood and the injury itself was one 91 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: of the more gruesome throat injuries that I've ever seen. 92 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: To first responders of the scene, the cause of Billy's 93 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: death appeared to be obvious the severe wound on Billy's 94 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: throat that was deep and jaggered and ran nearly from 95 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: ear to ear. It seemed that Billy died from a 96 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: sudden and dramatic loss of blood caused by an unknown 97 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: sharp object. 98 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: There were multiple cuts, so it seemed like they were 99 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: maybe trying to cut his head off. They were trying 100 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: to decapitate him. 101 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: Detectives from the Briar County Sheriff's Office Crime scene Unit 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: were quickly dispatched to the address and began processing the scene, 103 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: and notes from the original incident report detailed what investigators 104 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: did and did not find at the crime scene. Most Importantly, 105 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: they recovered no murder weapon, no fingerprints, no signs of 106 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: forced entry, and, according to neighbors, no witnesses, all of 107 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: which posed serious challenges to figure out the motive behind 108 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: the attack. Was it a robbery, a dispute with a neighbor, 109 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: or something more sinister. 110 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: There was mentioned in the lead detective Belrose's report about 111 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: home invasion crews that were hitting people. There's also mention 112 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: that he had a safe in the house. 113 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: According to his girlfriend Joan, Billy made his living buying 114 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: and selling art and rare coins, which he kept in 115 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: a safe inside the town home. But that's safe was 116 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: now empty. So initially, robbery was suspected to be the 117 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: motive for the break in, a robbery that must have 118 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: quickly gone south and ended in murder. It was a 119 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: theory that seemed to be supported by a tip that 120 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: came into the Sheriff's office back in nineteen eighty six 121 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: from a local confidential informant. 122 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: And that was the tip that I actually read was 123 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: someone he called in and said that whoever they mentioned 124 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: was bragging that they had the safe. They tried to 125 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: torch it open and they ended up ruining all the contents. 126 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: But there was also evidence that this broad daylight break 127 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: in may not be the work of total strangers. 128 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: The front door was unlocked. When Halpern's living girlfriend showed 129 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: up and actually discovered his body, she made note that 130 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: that front door was unlocked, and she said that never happens. 131 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: He was steadfast and always making sure that front door 132 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: was locked and secured. So the fact that the front 133 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: door was unlocked, no signs of a struggle. All of 134 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: those facts right there tell me more than one person. 135 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Probably they knew him, guy let him in, and they 136 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: brought gloves, and they brought tape. 137 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: So maybe Billy Halpern knew the men robbing him, and 138 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: maybe his killer's motive was to get their hands on 139 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: the car in tents of that safe. But the matter 140 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: in which Billy was killed, even to investigators back in 141 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six, seemed to deliberate, too professional for a 142 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: boxed home invasion. For one thing, there was very little 143 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: evidence of a big struggle, and just looking at Billy, 144 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: you just know he wouldn't have gone down without a fight. 145 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: Even more interesting that I found when I read through 146 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: the autopsy report was that actually the cause of death 147 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: was not the massive cut. It was strangulation or some 148 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: kind of suffocation or something something along those lines. And 149 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: they had actually were noted in their report that they 150 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: likened the marks on his neck to be something like 151 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: a thick nylon strap or a dog collar or something 152 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: in that regard. So the massive injury that is really 153 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: shocking to anyone that first sees it, especially his girlfriend 154 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: finding him, was all post mortem. 155 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: Billy's face had showed evidence of a brutal beating, yet 156 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: his hands and arms showed no defensive wounds. Taken together, 157 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: it didn't look like a typical botched home invasion. It 158 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 3: looked a lot more like torture. In fact, it looked 159 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: like an execution. 160 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: They're trying to decapitate him, post wartim, postmartum. 161 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: Everything was postmatch, which is a whole different psychology, a. 162 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: Whole different thing. I don't know if that was a 163 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: trophy for someone, or somebody watched Scarface too many times 164 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: and said, bring me his head. 165 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. 166 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: These days. Billy's sister, Laurie, lives in Fort Lauderdale, but 167 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: in October of nineteen eighty six, she lived with her 168 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: parents in Pembroke Pines, just a couple of blocks away 169 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: from her big brother. She can still remember the moment 170 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 3: she got the news of Billy's murder. 171 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: It's been such a long time again, I can still 172 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: hear that phone ring, you know, like my mom's screaming Billy, 173 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: Billy's dead, and I'm like. 174 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 5: What do you mean. She jumped up and ran out 175 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 5: the door. Come out, we gotta go. 176 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 4: I'm pulling up to that driveway and all the rescue 177 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 4: and everybody there. It was real for that one moment, 178 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 4: you say, no, can't be true, and then my whole 179 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: world crumbled. 180 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: When Danny and I visited Laurie in twenty twenty two, 181 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: she showed us pictures of Billy. In a lot of them, 182 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: Billy is shirtless or in swim trunks at the beach. 183 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: Sometimes he's holding a surfboard or barbells. There's one of 184 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: him in his firefighter's uniform and another of him hoisting 185 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: a bodybuilder's trophy. In nearly every picture, he's got the 186 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: smile of a guy in on the joke, well aware 187 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 3: that he was uncommonly blessed with the body and good 188 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: looks of a Greek god. Laurie is petite with long 189 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: blonde hair, but I could still see the resemblance between 190 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: brother and sister, the kindness in their eyes, and maybe 191 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: just a bit of mischief. 192 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 4: He was good looking, he was funny. Everyone liked him. 193 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: She's a shame, you know that they took him from mcphurmath. 194 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: Dave Aasano, who also grew up in Hollywood Beach, was 195 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: one of Billy's old bodybuilding buddies. 196 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 6: He was one of the nicest people ever. I mean, 197 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 6: he'd give you the shirt off his back. And he 198 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 6: was handsome, and he had charisma. He was good looking, 199 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 6: he was built. He was just a nice, humble guy. 200 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: According to Dave, Billy was idolized by the younger guys 201 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: at the gym. 202 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 6: I want to know, how do you get big arms 203 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 6: like that? And he tell us what to eat and 204 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 6: how to work out. And he had beautiful green eyes 205 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 6: with dark hair. Just imagine tan green eyes, dark hair 206 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 6: and bill, you know, like a Greek guy. 207 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: Billy's popularity just added to the shock of his brutal murder. 208 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: I mean, who kills a god? But Laurie still has 209 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: an idea of who she thinks killed a brother. In fact, 210 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people do. 211 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: I don't think it was one person. Involved. 212 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: Billy was too strong for one person to take him down. 213 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: But thirty eight years after he was killed, no one 214 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: has ever been charged with his murder, and to this day, 215 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: no one really knows the whole truth behind why he 216 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: was killed. 217 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: I think at the beginning with my parents' life, like 218 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 4: they can have the closure, but there's really no closure 219 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: no matter who did it. Now, I mean, Billy's been 220 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: dead for so long. How are they gonna be punished? 221 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 4: If they're out on the street, what are they gonna 222 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: I mean, they're they're old already orre this's gonna happen 223 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 4: to them. But I would like he's you know, I'd 224 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: like somebody to pay for what they did. Do they 225 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: really hurt him and he didn't They didn't be survey. 226 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: My number one rule went opening up a cold case, 227 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: you need to get your own opinion. 228 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: Detective Danny Smith was only twelve years old when Billy 229 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: was killed. As for me, I was in the early 230 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: process of transitioning into law enforcement in the Sunshine State. 231 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: But in twenty twenty two, after twenty seven years with 232 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: the City of Miramar Police, Danny was assigned to the 233 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: newly formed cold Case Squad Billy's case was the first 234 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: one he pulled off the shelf. It's filled with nearly 235 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: forty years of tips, leads, witness statements, and dead ends, 236 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: which is why Danny is convinced that if he's going 237 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: to solve this case, it would have to go back 238 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: to the very beginning. 239 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: You need to look at it through your own eyes 240 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: and not be swayed by previous investigators. I refuse to 241 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: read the notes from the previous cold case detective that 242 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: had this. I'm reading the stock basic original incident reports 243 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: from the detectives and the officers, and I think from 244 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: there I can move on to Okay, now, where would 245 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: I go from here if I had it. 246 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: As you see here today on day one of your investigation? 247 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: What are some of your concerns about the complexity. 248 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: Of this One of the top level concerns that I 249 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: have are being unable to actually track down some of 250 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: these people they've moved, if they've passed on, or if 251 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: they just don't want to get involved and they don't 252 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: want to speak to us. 253 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: On top of the challengers that force the case to 254 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: go cold in the first place, there's also the obstacles 255 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: that accumulate in any cold case, lost or degraded evidence, 256 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: faded memories, missing witnesses, and perhaps the most daunting legacy 257 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: of pre digital policing paperwork. 258 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,479 Speaker 2: A cold case, especially going back to eighty six. I 259 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: want to first off, see if there's anything to work with, 260 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: so going back and pulling the files and making sure 261 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: that there are still reports to look at. And when 262 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: I pulled this case in particular, it was immaculate. The 263 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: detectives did a phenomenal job in documenting and cataloging and 264 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: keeping everything, so that was a plus right there. 265 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: Also on Danny's side is science. 266 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: My focus from the beginning was absolutely trying to locate 267 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: as much physical evidence that we had and see what 268 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: was done with it and see what could be done 269 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: with it. Now, just like any other cold case you have, 270 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: you have a homicide, and you have evidence that was 271 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: collected and then there over the years, sometimes evidence is lost, 272 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: sometimes it's destroyed, sometimes it's tested and consumed and you 273 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: no longer have access to it. 274 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: So in this case, I. 275 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: Wanted to find all the evidence that was collected, get 276 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: it into my custody, and then figure out how I 277 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: can go about having that tested. 278 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: With the advancements in DNA technology, Every unsolved case with 279 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: even a sentilla of biological forensic evidence can stake a 280 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 3: claim for a second look. But Danny also knows that 281 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: solving a cold case is rarely as easy as getting 282 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: a match on notice. Timelines, witness statements, motives, and alibis 283 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: all have to be checked and rechecked, and Billy Halpern's 284 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: case in particular seems to have a lot of loose ends. 285 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: Loose ends that suggest that maybe there was a reason 286 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: that his murder went unsolved for so long. 287 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: Someone persuaded Billy to open that door, whether it was 288 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: friendly hello, or somebody that knows Billy would not have 289 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: opened that door for someone that he doesn't like or 290 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: doesn't know. 291 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: Which begs the question, as it always does, why was 292 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: Billy Halpern mixed up with anyone capable of this kind 293 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: of violence. To answer that question, it was a time 294 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: for a trip back to South Florida to the mid eighties, 295 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: a seductive world of sun, sex, money, and wait for it, weightlifting. 296 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: Our mission to solve Billy Halpern's murder, to convince a 297 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: prosecutor to bring charges against his killer or killers, and 298 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: maybe to bring a bit of peace and closure to 299 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: his family and friends that have lived with the pain 300 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: of his murder for decades. 301 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: I would love for everyone to know the truth why 302 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 4: Billy died. People have said horrible things, you know, like 303 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: why would they hurt him that way? 304 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 5: He had it all. 305 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: He had it all, He was twenty eight, his whole 306 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: life to live. 307 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: But Danny and I didn't expect was that reopening this 308 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: cold case would shine a light on a string of 309 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: unsolved murders involving some of South Florida's most dangerous criminals. 310 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 4: I was really young, but I knew what was going on. 311 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 4: Oh my god, the money was sick. And then the 312 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: Columbians got involved, and it got dark and dirty and evil. 313 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 4: People were getting murdered left and right. 314 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: Was Billy just a random victim of a cold blooded 315 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 3: crime spree? Or was his murder part of a larger 316 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: conspiracy involving the hustlers, dealers, crooked cops, and wise guys 317 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: that were running wild in South Florida during its most 318 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: dangerous decade. 319 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: I really think there had to be a rat, a 320 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: dirty rat in a police department. 321 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: Lurid. Let me tell you a little bit about me 322 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: and how this all came about. I had never heard 323 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: of the case, but the case was brought over to me. 324 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: I took a look at it, and I just read 325 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: it and heard all these names, and I heard some 326 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: of the other homicides that happened sometime. 327 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: In the area. 328 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: Went by Billie's old house, took a look around just 329 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: to kind of get a feel for it, and then 330 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: started my process of going through this as a cold case. 331 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: In a long time, but I felt, we felt that 332 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 2: it would be important to at least meet with you 333 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: as the investigation started going out. 334 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 5: And I'm grateful. 335 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: I hope you can find out there truth. 336 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: Laurie and her brother Billy, grew up in Hollywood, Florida, 337 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: a beach town that lies about halfway between Fort Lauderdale 338 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: to the north and Miami twenty miles to the south. 339 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: By the time Billy was born, the Halpurans had already 340 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 3: been in South Florida for two generations. These were not 341 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: snowbirds or two year tourists at Halpurns were Florida born 342 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: and bred. Laurie was just two years younger than Billy, 343 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: and together they enjoyed a sun soaked, carefree youth and 344 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: cruising the quiet streets of what was then a small 345 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: town with an off season population of just a few thousand. 346 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 4: We all hung out at Garfield Beach in Allywood. Brother 347 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: kind of hung out with everybody. 348 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 2: You know. 349 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: He surfed all the time, and it was extream. 350 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 5: You know, make. 351 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 4: Money, be surfer, lived my life. Good guy and he 352 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: really loved me. He's a really good brother. He's a 353 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: very protective, very annoying, a typical big brother. 354 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 5: But he loved me and he only wanted the best 355 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 5: for me. 356 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 3: And he was popular, the king of the beach, with 357 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: long dark hair, a Tom Sellick mustache, and a chiseled 358 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 3: physique sculpted by hours in the gym. But Billy's friends 359 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: painted a picture of a gentle giant with a thousand 360 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: watts smile, someone with charm and charisma who seemed destined 361 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: for big things. 362 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 4: I mean, like they y'all knew that he could do anything. 363 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 4: He was good looking, he was funny. Everyone liked him. 364 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: Quick kills me. It could have been anything. 365 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty, Billy took a job with the Hollandale 366 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 3: Fire Department as a paramedic. His friends were cops and 367 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 3: fellow firefighters, hard charging guys that shared Billy's interest in 368 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 3: the finer things like blondes, beer and pumping iron. As 369 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: Danny and I learned, when Billy wasn't on the job 370 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: or on the beach, he was in the gym along 371 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 3: with the deep Tans and Neon. South Florida was a 372 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: bodybuilding mecca back then, and Billy and his friends were 373 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: committed musclehoods. 374 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: He was a workout fiend, so he belonged to three 375 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 2: or maybe even four gyms, and he would rotate throughout 376 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: those gyms, and I think he had a circle of 377 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 2: friends through each gym. 378 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: Nights were spent in a string of bars that line 379 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 3: the boardwalk along Hollywood Beach. There was lots of alcohol, marijuana, 380 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: and this being the early nineteen eighties, plenty of harder 381 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: drugs were available too. But the aphrodisiac of choice youth 382 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 3: is boundless optimism and the conviction that nothing could ever 383 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 3: hurt you. 384 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: But believe me, we partied. I'm definitely no angel. He 385 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: didn't think of it. You know, every night yet Nickel Knight, 386 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 4: dime Knight, ladies night drink till you think night like 387 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: gave a drinking promotion down here. Everyone drank and then 388 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 4: you do a little bump to wake up and boom, 389 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: you're done. Then it got dirty. 390 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: But despite the partying Billy's faund, me and friends never 391 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: suspected that Billy was into anything criminal or hanging around 392 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: with the kind of people that could put his life 393 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: in danger. 394 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 6: I always thought Billy was selling art. He showed me 395 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 6: art at his house that he bought stuff, and I 396 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 6: honestly believe that's. 397 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 4: What he was. 398 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: But the truth might have been a little darker than 399 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 3: anyone ever knew. Time can be both a friend and 400 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: foe to a cold case. Detective memories of a decade's 401 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 3: old crime are usually spotty and unreliable at best, but 402 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: sometimes the passing years will encourage a potential witness to 403 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 3: come forward with information that, for whatever reason, they weren't 404 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: willing to share. In the original investigation, Billy's case file 405 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 3: had the names of dozens of people that we thought 406 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: might still possess crucial bits of information about his life, 407 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: his associations, and the murder itself. Now finding them forty 408 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: years later was another story. 409 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Let's be back there. 410 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: I do not see who's share the truth. 411 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: No, I don't need, but we're going to knock anyway 412 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: because I think it was like a nineteen seventy nine truck. 413 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: This one. 414 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: Hello, how you doing. Hi, I'm Danny Smith. I'm with 415 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: Milmore Police. To this is Scott Weinberger. So we are 416 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: reopening the case of the murder of Billy Halbern. 417 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: Is that ring a bell? 418 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: Not everyone felt comfortable talking about Billy's murder to a 419 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: reporter or a mirror mar detective. Even fewer were willing 420 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: to go on the record. 421 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: So the reason that I'm reaching out to actually a 422 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: bunch of people. I'll probably give you a bunch of 423 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: names that are gonna kind of come back to you. 424 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: Back in the eighties, they didn't really statements from everybody, 425 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: So I kind of happening to go back and read 426 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: you the way, So tell me what you remember. 427 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes it was hard to know what we heard was true, 428 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: what was rumor, and what some of these people may 429 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: have learned from a handful of newspaper articles covering the 430 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: case over the years. But one thing kept coming up. 431 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: Billy was not unfamiliar with some of the less savory 432 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: elements of the Hollywood beach party scene, and the one 433 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: thing we heard repeatedly by several friends of the people 434 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: listed in the case file as friends or acquaintances of 435 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 3: Billy was that, along with art, Billy was also rumored 436 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: to be selling drugs. 437 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 6: So there was always rumors around the jam. 438 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: I believe that he was an art deally, and. 439 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 6: I didn't know until after the fact that one of 440 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 6: Billy's biggest concerns was me finding out that he was 441 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 6: a coke dealer. He wanted to make sure that I 442 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 6: didn't know that, and he made sure from other people 443 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 6: that I didn't know anything about this, and it was true. 444 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 6: I didn't know anything about it. I thought he was 445 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 6: an art dealer. 446 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 3: It's important to note here that when Billy Halpin was killed, 447 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: he had no criminal record. Police recovered no drugs or 448 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: cash from his town home where he was killed. In fact, 449 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: his girlfriend said it was more likely to be short 450 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 3: of cash than flush. I mean, the guy drove a 451 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: ten year old Mercury Montego, so a South Florida kingpin 452 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: it was not, but if Billy was sealing drugs, it 453 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: could have put him in contact with potentially dangerous people. 454 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: And of course, just being in possession of drugs or 455 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 3: cash used to buy it can make anyone a target 456 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: for violence. And for the record, When we asked Laurie 457 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: about whether Billy might have been dealing drugs, she admitted 458 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: it was possible. 459 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 4: You wanted to make money, you know, he was firefighter 460 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: for a short time, but he didn't want to work. 461 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 4: And I didn't really know anything. I knew what Billy 462 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 4: was doing, but I'm not kidding that. He was a 463 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: very protective older brother, and he would if anything was 464 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: going to happen, he'd go go in your room, get 465 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 4: in your room. 466 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: Okay. 467 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: But I knew what was going on, you know, if 468 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: we were a partying back then, and I was just like, 469 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. 470 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: You know, there are drugs involver. 471 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: We don't care. 472 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: We're looking to solve the home side of your brother, 473 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: and that's the bottom line. 474 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 3: Now, I'll be the first to admit, as an investigator 475 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: and a true crime storyteller, a murder victim's background is 476 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: sometimes the beneficiary of some degree of dancing around the 477 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: truth is that a victim's history of questionable or even 478 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: criminal behavior is not always relevant to a homicide investigation, 479 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: but whether we're part of a jury or a listening audience, 480 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: it can sway our sympathies. So prosecutors and podcasters have 481 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 3: a tendency to leave out the unsavory bits, But in 482 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: reopening this case, it was clear to me and Danny 483 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: that the level of Billy's involvement in the local drug 484 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: trade was critical to understanding why he was killed, who 485 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: killed him, and most importantly, why no one was ever 486 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 3: arrested for his murder. 487 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: Right now, the theories that I'm reading all focus around 488 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: his potential drug dealing and the drug underworld, So everything 489 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: that I've read up to this point kind of works 490 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: towards that angle. I haven't gotten any name suspects yet 491 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: in any of these case files. 492 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: Obviously, piecing together all of the players and whatever plot 493 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: was in play in nineteen eighty six that got Billy killed, 494 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: it was going to take some time and some good 495 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: old gumshoe detective work. But there was even more immediate 496 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: promise in the physical evidence that was recovered from the 497 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: original crime scene, evidence that would not just help us 498 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: recreate the crime, but potentially help us identify Billy's killer. 499 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: That was the second big check mark for us is 500 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: that we do have evidence, and it looks like that 501 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: it's been preserved since I think eighty seven we've got, 502 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: at least with Broward Sheriff's office. We've got electrical tape 503 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: from both wrists, hair that was in Halpern's left hand, 504 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: which presumably would be our killer, and then we've got 505 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: looks like a towel, which I believe that towel was 506 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: placed on him when he was found by his living 507 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: girlfriend at the time. That's all. That's all the evidence. 508 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 3: Electrical tape, a bloody towel, and several strands of human 509 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: hair recovered from the clutches of the victim's left hand. 510 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 2: And let's not forget that which I find very interesting. 511 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: On one of the pieces of tape that were taken 512 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: from Helper's wrists, there was like a small piece of 513 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: latex glove that appeared to have been ripped off on 514 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: the tape, which tells me that the guy or guys 515 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: or people that were in there were wearing gloves. And 516 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: I have very very high hopes that there's going to 517 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: be some kind of a DNA profile that comes out 518 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: of that. 519 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: Detectives in nineteen eighty six were never able to match 520 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: any of it to a potential suspect, but by today's 521 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: forensic standards, it feels promising. 522 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about the evidence that we still 523 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: have and the fact that to my knowledge, at least 524 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: according to the property receipts, nothing has been tested. The idea, 525 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: I think is maybe next week sit down with the 526 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: DNA supervisor over at bar Shriffs and run it by 527 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: and say this is what I want to do. 528 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: Here's your transmittal. 529 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: Let's get the ball rolling. 530 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 3: If we could recover viable DNA from any of this 531 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: physical evidence, it would go a long way to identifying 532 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 3: the killer. 533 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: The thing that's going to take the longest period of 534 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: time is going to be DNA testing and potential hair fibers, 535 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: whatever it is that we can pull out of property 536 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: and evidence. So that's going to be number one on 537 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: my list to do now. So as I'm doing additional 538 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: work interviews and trying to track down people, that testing 539 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: is already going to be in process. 540 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 3: Hopefully a DNA profile could be matched to one already 541 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 3: in CODIS, the National DNA Database of known offenders and 542 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 3: unidentified DNA from other crime scenes, or it could be 543 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 3: matched one to one to a known suspect whose DNA 544 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: we would have to obtain, either with permission or without. 545 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 3: But this was technology unavailable to detectives in the nineteen eighties, 546 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 3: which is one reason why six months after Billy's murder, 547 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: the original investigation had started to stall. None off Billy's 548 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: friends and family could offer police any leads into who 549 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 3: might have had a reason to hurt him. There were 550 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 3: no witnesses, no recent crimes with similar mo and no 551 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: shortage of alibis from just about anyone that had ever 552 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 3: been in cuffs in Brawrie County. 553 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: Someone persuaded Billy to open that door, whether it was 554 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: friendly hello, or somebody that he knows. Billy would not 555 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: have opened that door for someone that he doesn't like 556 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: or doesn't know. The scenario that I have in my 557 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: mind is that maybe a friend of Billy's was there 558 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: front of the door, knocked on the door, Billy allows 559 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: him in, and then at that point it's a bum 560 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: rush into the house where they're forced in. 561 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 3: Billy's murderer went from the front page to the back. 562 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: And that's until May sixth, nineteen eighty seven, homicide detectives 563 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 3: were again called to an apartment in the nearby town 564 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 3: of Tamarack, just a twenty minute try from where Billy 565 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: Halpburn was killed. It was the home of Billy's friend, 566 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 3: twenty six year old Mitch Hall, and Mitch's twenty three 567 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 3: year old girlfriend, char Linda Drout. A couple had been bound, 568 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 3: beaten and their throats slash in a crime scene eerily 569 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 3: similar to that of Billy Halpern's. 570 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 5: Him and his girlfriend were found in the bedroom. 571 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 4: I think so they were completely caught up guard. 572 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: Just like in Billy's murder. There were very few clues 573 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 3: and no immediate suspects, but the similarities were obviously too 574 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 3: great to be ignored. Investigators were immediately convinced that the 575 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: three murders were somehow connected. Laurie's first thought was that 576 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: Mitch Hall knew something about her brother's murder and that 577 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 3: information might have gotten him killed. 578 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 4: When Mitch died, they thought that he was going to 579 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 4: rowur and sheriffs to talk to them, that he knew something, 580 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 4: and that's why they came and killed him. 581 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 3: It's a sentiment that is shared by Mitch Hall's sister, Kim. 582 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 7: My brother came to visit me, I would say eighty 583 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 7: six December of eighty six. He came to me and 584 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 7: he said, Billy Helpern died and I'm going to find 585 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 7: out who killed him, and I said, Mitch, don't can 586 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 7: involved with those type of people, and he went to 587 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 7: the police station. 588 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: But if that was true, it had some shocking implications 589 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: because how would the killers know Mitch Hall was talking 590 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 3: to police? 591 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 5: How would anybody know that? 592 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,479 Speaker 4: Like, you were going to tell what you knew about 593 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 4: Billy and none then you get killed. 594 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 5: Who in the police department is a bad guy? I 595 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 5: really felt that it had to be a dirty cop. 596 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 3: Mitch Hall and Charlenda Drought had been sharing a home 597 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 3: together in Tamarack, which is just outside of Fort Lauderdale, 598 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 3: for a little less than a year. Bob Daughtry was 599 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 3: a friend of Mitch's working on a job site nearby. 600 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: On the morning of May sixth, nineteen eighty seven, he 601 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 3: stopped by Mitch's town home. 602 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 8: I just remember pulling up, went up and knocked on 603 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 8: the door. He didn't come to the door, turned the 604 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 8: doorknob and the house was opened. 605 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 3: Walked in there. 606 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 8: And Mitch was in his bedroom. Outside the bathroom, I 607 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 8: mean it was blood. All his throat had been slipped. 608 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 8: It was a gruesome sign. 609 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 3: It really was. From their injuries and manner of death, 610 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 3: there was little doubt that it was somehow connected to 611 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 3: the execution style murder of Billy Hauburn just six months before. 612 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 8: His hands were tied behind his back and something stuffed 613 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 8: out of his mouth. And I also saw some marks 614 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 8: on his upper body. I don't know if they were 615 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 8: just from what they were from a fight, the cuts 616 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 8: from something, I don't know, but I remember seeing some 617 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 8: wounds on the upper part of his body. 618 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 3: Not only were the crimes similar, but Mitch Hall and 619 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: Billy had been friends since high school. According to Mitch's sister, 620 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 3: it hung out in the same group of friends, on 621 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 3: the same beach and at the same gym. 622 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 7: We knew all those people from back a long time 623 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 7: ago when we were growing up at Garfield Beach. We 624 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 7: used to hang out at the beach, and we've known 625 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 7: Billy Helpern forever. I know it's sister Lorie Helpern. I 626 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 7: mean I know their family. God, I knew Billy for years. 627 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 3: But there was one important difference between the two crime scenes. 628 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 3: It appeared that nothing had been stolen from Mitch Hall's home. 629 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 3: Here again, Brad Doughtry, who discovered the bodies. 630 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 8: Didn't look anymore to disarrayed than it never did. It 631 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 8: I mean I never would have thoughthen I wllt in 632 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 8: the front door because I got to the bedroom that 633 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 8: I was going to find him in there the way 634 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 8: I did. 635 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 3: From the way the bodies were positioned, it appeared that 636 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: both Mitch and Charlotne had been forced to their knees, 637 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 3: bound with tape and then killed in cold blood. 638 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 7: And there was no evidence of somebody breaking into his house. 639 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 7: So either his roommate gave the people the key, because 640 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 7: they pulled Charlnda and they cut her throat and they 641 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 7: set my brother's throat and it just bullshit. 642 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 3: Again, no signs of forced entry meant that Mitch and 643 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 3: Charlenda may have known their killers and invited them inside. 644 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 3: In May of nineteen eighty seven, the double murder and 645 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 3: its possible connection to Billy's murder six months before, had 646 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 3: caused a stir in the local media, and detectives at 647 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 3: the time hoped that the increased attention may stir up 648 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 3: some promising leads, but that wasn't the case. In fact, 649 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 3: investigators had a hard time convincing friends and co workers 650 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 3: of Billy and Mitch to talk at all. The word 651 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 3: on the street was that talking was exactly what might 652 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 3: have gotten Mitch killed in the first place. 653 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 7: He was killed the next day after he went to 654 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 7: the police station to tell them who killed Billy, and 655 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 7: he was killed the next day. So I'm assuming there 656 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 7: was a leak in the police station and somebody said 657 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 7: Mitch Hall knows who killed Billy. 658 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 3: It was a claim that maybe true, but one we 659 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: have so far have not seen any evidence of no 660 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 3: record that Mitch contacted any member of the department. And 661 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 3: even if Mitch Hall was telling people he was planning 662 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 3: on talking to police, that could be dangerous enough. 663 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 7: Is there any evidence that my brother came to the 664 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 7: police station and talked to a detective and let them 665 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 7: know who killed Billy Helpborne. There's no evidence of that 666 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 7: him coming into the. 667 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 4: Police station, not that I've seen, and I'm not saying 668 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 4: that it's not there. 669 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 2: But we're talking years and years ago. 670 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 3: But even in nineteen eighty seven, there was a strong 671 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 3: suspicion that not only were the murders connected, they were 672 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 3: likely committed by the same person. That suspicion would only 673 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 3: grow when just eight days later, two more bodies were 674 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 3: discovered in a house in Pembroke Pines, a twenty minute 675 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 3: drive inland from Hollywood Beach. The victims were identified as 676 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 3: thirty one year old Jimmy high Note and twenty eight 677 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 3: year old Harry Collier. Both men had been bound and 678 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,959 Speaker 3: then shot at close range in the back of the head. 679 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 3: So it's a slightly different mo but with the same 680 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 3: deadly result. 681 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: When the names high Note and Callier came up, high 682 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 2: Note rang a bell because we know that Jimmy high 683 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 2: Note and Billy went to school together, they knew each other, 684 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: they grew up with each other. The fact that they 685 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 2: were then killed, that's not a coincidence. We have to 686 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: look into that. 687 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 3: That's right. Both men were known acquaintances of both Billy 688 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 3: Halburn and Mitch Hall. 689 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 4: I mean, we all grew up together. We'd go to 690 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 4: Big Daddy together, hanging out together. 691 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 7: Mitch he knew Jimmy h Notes. We used to go 692 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 7: to as Halloween parties. Billy was always there. We all 693 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 7: used to hang out together when we were teenagers. It's crazy. 694 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 7: I mean when all this happened, it was just crazy. 695 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 3: So what was going on here? Was someone targeting one 696 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 3: particular group of lifelong friends or where they all involved 697 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 3: in a conspiracy that ultimately got them all killed. 698 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 2: I don't like to speculate, but I mean a normal 699 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 2: prudent person would look at all the facts and say 700 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 2: that's got to be connected. 701 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: No matter what. 702 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 2: Forget about them, forget about locations or the way that 703 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 2: the murders happen. You have to think he was connected, 704 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 2: and especially that he was in such close time proximity 705 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 2: to the Helper murder. 706 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 3: So what was the connection. The further we dug, the 707 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 3: more we kept coming back to one place, the Apollo, Jim. 708 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 9: It wasn't just a gym, It was a criminal enterprise. 709 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: The Apollo was a no frills prison yard style facility 710 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 3: dedicated to pain and gain, owned by a hulking ex cop. 711 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 3: His name is Gil Fernandez and his partner a former 712 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 3: mister Florida named Bert CHRISTI. 713 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 9: That guy is a fucking gangster. Those two were together. 714 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 9: They were like John Gottie and Sammy the Bull. 715 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 3: Four of the five murder victims, Billy Halpern, Mitch Hall, 716 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 3: Harry Collier, and Jimmy high Note were all members of 717 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 3: the Apollo Gym. That was the connection. 718 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 4: I think there was a steroid thing going on in 719 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 4: Apollo Gym, and Billy came to my bedroom door like, Hey, Laura, 720 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 4: ba I love you. If I don't come home, just 721 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 4: want you to know that I love you, and then 722 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 4: boom to get the phone call. 723 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 3: The more Danny and I learned about the place, the 724 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 3: more I was convinced that whatever conspiracy existed that led 725 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 3: to the murders, it was hatched right here. I just 726 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 3: never expected what we would find along the way. 727 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 9: They were doing shake that, so it was well known, 728 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 9: you're gonna pay us or we're going to kill you. 729 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 6: And I thought they were going to kill me there, 730 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 6: so I kept my mouth shut and I didn't say anything. 731 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 6: All these years, I didn't say anything, but I knew that. 732 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 3: They killed Billy or how deep the corruption would go. 733 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 9: People were afraid to go to the law because they 734 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 9: knew that he was a former cop and still had 735 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 9: lots of friends on the forest, a. 736 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 6: Lot of unsolved murders that I think are all tied 737 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 6: to the same people. 738 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 2: And it's almost incestuous that everyone knew each other, everyone 739 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 2: worked together, and then ultimately almost everyone was killed. 740 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 3: Coming up in the next episode of Cold Blooded, the 741 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 3: Apollo Gym Murders, how Royd's Ripoffs and Revenge of the 742 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 3: Trail of Murder on the streets and swamps of South Florida, 743 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 3: and how one killer might still be walking free. 744 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 9: Well, I was always taught, if you start poking your 745 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 9: nose around, you're gonna get yourself. 746 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 3: Killed, cold blooded. The Apollo Jim Murders is a production 747 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 3: of iHeart Podcasts and Authentic Wave Media. Scott Weinberger, Kevin Bennett, 748 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 3: and Walker Lemon are executive producers. Sabrina Siree is our 749 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 3: line producer, scoring sound design and mixing by Mark lamorj 750 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 3: Z for iHeart Podcasts, Christina Everett is executive producer, and 751 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 3: David Wasserman is brand marketing manager. And with special thanks 752 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 3: to the Miramar Police Department, Chief Delrich Moss, Pio Tanya Ardaz, 753 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 3: and Detective Susie Smith,