WEBVTT - Highlights: Pink Foxx 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:16.720 Calgary Audio. What's up, mother Sockers. Welcome to another episode 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:21.760 of Mothersucker Podcast. I'm your host, Michael Blackson. I'm never alone, Mike. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.680 I can't believe you remember that one I'm never alone 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.400 the last episode you forgot. I'm never alone. Chinese best friend, 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.320 you always here? Yeah, you're homeless Chinese best friend. Uh 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.960 yeah I am because uh I am always in the 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.920 background of Michael block them you are my shadow. Ladies 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.360 and gentlemen. They give a big welcome to the first 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:50.640 female black, the first black transgender comedian. I right my saying, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:57.440 miss Pink foxes in the building. Pink FOXO Fox it is, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.280 but it's Pink Fox. But she's wearing all black right now, 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.480 if you're feeling that, if you know that you're a woman, 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.560 would you want to be with a man as well? No, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.840 I don't like man. I'm not attracted to mine. Damn. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.240 That's the coolest trus gender earth. Yeah. We like the 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:20.000 same thing as pussy. Yeah, but I think that's why 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.320 everybody foks with me. Yeah, because you like pussy and 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.560 I like you like I don't like dick. Because you 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.280 know what, in that moment, you have to you have 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:29.960 to see that. That's a teacher. That's that's kind of 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.319 like a teaching moment, right, just me being myself. Because 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:34.720 just because your trans it doesn't mean that you like men. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.000 That's not what that means. That means you identify as female. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.920 You identify how you identify, right, whatever you're attracted to 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.080 that sexual identity. Gender identity and sexual identity are two 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.600 different things. My gender identity is female. My sexual identities lesbian. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.840 Because I date and like women. That's what I funk with, right, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.960 And they funk with me, and you know, and I 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.040 got some bad ones, some bad bitches, some bad ones 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.280 with vagina, yes, all day long. Wow, how do you 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.560 feel Aboutdave Chapelle? I love Dave. Let me tell you 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.360 what about Dave. So if you watch The Closer on 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.040 Netflix and you watch the credits, you'll see me in 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.720 a picture with Dave. And I don't know if you're 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.160 paying the photos and ship, but me Anderson Park, Dave, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.639 Dave's wife, all in a photo together in the credits 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.760 of The Closer. So I funk with I funk with Dave, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.480 and he was very nice to me, very gracious, and um, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.639 you know, I got nothing but respect for him. He's 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.240 an elder in the comedy community, and although his his 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.560 views are a bit askew, I would love to add 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.480 the opportunity just you know, further educate him or give 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.480 him a different perspective. That's why he don't his views 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.680 are askew because he don't understand. I think that, um, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.200 you know, it's a whole, it's a deeper thing to 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:50.280 it being black, being black African American men. I think 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.240 that there's a history of of of of lack of 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:54.920 understanding of the l g B t q I a 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:59.240 community within that community, and because of that, there are 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.720 micro aggress and macro aggressions, violence and things like that. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.480 I mean, because I know, you know, where everybody being 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.960 proud and coming out and let everybody know who they 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.720 are now that I mean, we'll go back to the 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.960 nineties and mind you, I'm sure women were feeling this 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.400 way in the eighties and nineties too. They just had 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.040 they just kept it to themselves. Is that what happened? Well, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.079 I think that there was a there's an amount of um, 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.720 you know, there's an amount of oppression that happens when 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.400 anyone is different, right, and and those protections happened through 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.119 organizing and marching and and displays of Hey, we're being 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.920 mistreated over here, so we need representation to help us 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.360 make it past this. So like since Stonewall, you know, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.000 we've we've been fighting for that equality. And I think 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.160 the thing that that the that the Special lacks, in short, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:53.400 is the viewpoint of the black transgender you know, it's 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.880 more about white people and white trans on us more 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.800 than it is being black. And and then that within 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.480 its self is a bit of eratier, which once again 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.720 I'm not saying was on purpose. I'm just saying that 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.480 I understand because he literally says in the special, my 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.360 problem is not with the transgender community, it's what white people. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.880 But the thing about that is, before he recorded that, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.880 and before he said that on stage, he said that 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:21.400 to me when I'm at him, he knew exactly why 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.000 I met Dave. He said, you're pink Fox. I've heard 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.680 great things about you because I'm friends with Jeff Frost. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:34.440 Community is gonna ever, uh forgive David. I think that 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.560 there needs to be an understanding of where Dave is 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.880 coming from and why Dave feels the way he feels. 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.280 And then I also need, uh, there to be an 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.839 understanding of what it means to be a comedian, because 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.600 if we look at people like George Carlin, there's always 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.120 someone who's raising a finger and saying, hey, wait a minute. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:56.039 The societal norm bro when broken down, makes me feel 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.920 like this and this is what's going on with this 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.160 and that? And even Lenny Bruce, the societal norm back 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.200 then was was to be segregated and to to treat 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:05.719 black people a certain type of way. He stood up 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.680 against that, you know, and because of that he was 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.279 jailed many times on stage for just stating his opinion 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.960 in a vulgar way. Albeit but still so. I think 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.040 that going against the status quo, even though the status 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.240 quo at this point is making sure that people are 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:25.760 are not being mistreated or or oppressed just for their identities, uh, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.880 there's still this one man standing up and saying I 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.800 have a problem with this, and this is why, and 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.160 it's less of a go ahead mind, But what I mean, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.080 what happened to freedom of speech? Though? Like what you 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.039 could talk about. I thought that's what made America great, 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.240 to talk about whatever you want to talk about, regardless 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.880 of what it is, and especially being a comic. I 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.800 never thought that we should be. We should be just 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.800 we comedians at the end of the day. You know, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.080 it's our job to just make fun of anything that 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.520 we want to make fun of. I understand that. But 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.880 let me ask you a questions, where is the line 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.080 between freedom of speech and hate speech? That is true? 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.880 Definitely agree to, Because if there was a Nazi comedian 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.240 and he was spewing all this hatred for who he 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.159 doesn't like, would we still have the same or extend 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.960 the same graciousness to him for just being himself. But 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.240 they're not saying he don't like them, right, No. But 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.400 the one thing that was conflicting to me and which 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.840 which helped me understand that Dave still lacked an understanding 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.320 fully was that he said the phrase trans women are 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.520 women and then proceeded to call himself a turf, which 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.600 is a trans exclusionary radical feminists whose slogan is trans 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.920 women are not women. You can't have both, okay, So okay, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.039 And that's the part that you're a woman. That was 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.640 the part, yes, And that was the part and my 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.279 you know, my eyes, and that was the part that 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.480 that that I understood at that moment when he said 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.240 I believe trans women are women. And then turned around 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.080 and said, I'm a turf. I said, okay, he doesn't 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.200 know what he's talking. Turf is a trans exclusionary radical feminist. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.239 So there's a branch of feminists that don't believe trans 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.920 women are women, that feel like trans women are infringing 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.680 on their rights as women and occupying spaces in which 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.360 they sacred, as in the rest room, in dressing rooms 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.560 and things like that, and they don't want that right. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.760 They think that these are just men with dresses on. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.400 They don't give that same understanding because of their reasoning 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.720 and their feelings towards our community. And once he aligned 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.000 himself with that, I think that's really what struck a 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.080 chord in our community and where they said, wait a minute, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.400 you're calling yourself a turf. I think that was louder 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.520 than him saying that trans women are women, because it's 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:29.800 two conflicting opinions. You know what's up, mother suck Us? 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.600 This is African King up coming, Michael Blackson. I'm here 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.080 to axially a question. Are you subscribe to my podcast, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.320 The mother Suck a podcast with me? Michael black Say? 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.360 If not, you are missing out on the crazy interviews. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.040 They're exclusive behind the scenes content of my life and 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.480 tons of celebrity guests. 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So as we identify more branches 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.840 within our community and really define what it means to 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.760 be who we are, because there are so many different 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.680 variations of a queer person or someone that is just 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:50.200 not heteronormative, that we're working our best to make sure 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.760 everyone feels represented and identified properly. And no one wants 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.160 to feel as though they've been fall you know, dropped 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.080 by the wayside. Will a bitch asked you gotta be 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.720 in part of the lgbt No, but I'll inquire about 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.240 that for you. Michael put b a. I might be 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.840 a lum. I'm a bit as a guy. I don't 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.280 like to fight. I don't argue, you know. I like 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.679 to say this on stage, I said, I might be 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.120 a bitch nigger. But it ain't no bitch nigger, I understand. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.040 So you know, it's it's just a whole thing. You 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.600 guys have a meeting every week. No, there is no 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.600 meeting every week per se that I go to. But 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.679 there are meetings and we do organize. And I think 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:28.959 that's one of the things about the l g B 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.720 t Q. I a community that is different. We have 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.880 everyone from every nationality pushing for one goal. Can you 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.920 name another movement like that. That's the best movement I've 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:43.800 ever heard. All Right, So there is um is where 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.840 that phrase, the word that keem came from? Do you everyone? 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.479 I think back in the day that was just derogatory. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.440 It was just for a busch lesbian. Is it like 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.600 a nigga kind of? I don't know if it's nigga, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:04.839 but it's darky. Okay with regard to the church as 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:09.199 it relates to sports, okay, transplant that want to compete it. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:14.080 I guess head along. Okay, six gender women, it's what 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.640 you're talking about. No, it's cool, it's cool. It's cool. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.679 So I was having a conversation with Fallon Fox. You 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.920 know Fallon foxes Falon Fox was the first transgender m 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.760 M A fighter. I literally just talked to the Fallion 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.800 before I left for my flight to d C. Right, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.800 so we all we we all talked. Most of us talk. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.040 If you live in Hollywood, even l A or you've 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.839 made some sort of headline, we know each other. That's 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.640 the thing. So so I was talking to Fallon and 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.720 Falin was like, I said, what you think is special? 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.960 She she she she didn't approve. And then I gave 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.000 her my experience, yeah, yeah, the closer. And I gave 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.840 her my my experience with Dave personally. And then she 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.480 also brought up a segment in which Bill Burr didn't 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.720 refer to her by name but called but called her 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.680 a diculous man. And uh, you know, and I just 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.120 had the six I know Bill too, and and Bill 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.840 is very friendly to me. And you know, so she's 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.160 a she's a woman not born born a map I 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.240 signed mail at birth. But why why is chiculus well, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.839 because you know, I guess he was just trying to 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.079 be funny. Man, did she remove? No? I don't. I 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.760 don't know what she has in her pants because no, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.760 I didn't ask. But that's not what makes you trans. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:18.360 It has nothing to do with that. It's brain. It's 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.400 a brain chemistry situation. So you can have both, even 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.760 you can have anything. So what is happening both as intersext? Oh? 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.640 That's that's another letter you just put it in. Yeah, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.240 that's the eye intersex. Yeah, and it's sex you got No, 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.200 that's what you're gonna tell somebody. Hey, you're not supposed 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.280 to be intersex. It's wrong to be intersex if you're 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:35.959 born with openis of it. Yeah, you're born like that? 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.640 What the fuck? Damn. So it's just it's a lot 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.920 of lack of understanding. You want know the truth is man, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.000 um My management reached out to me and they wanted 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.520 me to write something on how I feel about the 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.440 whole situation. And uh, I've been really hesitant and slow 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.400 to speak about it. But you know, I blame I 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.440 blame slavery. I blame slavery is in the attack on 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.960 black masculinity, in the slowed or lack of understanding of 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.080 l g B t q I A because for many years, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.800 after being oppressed for four hundred, it was any type 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:13.000 of weakness was deemed as counterproductive, especially dealing with things 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.640 like Black Wall Street, especially dealing with things coming out 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.720 of slavery and trying to grow as a people and 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.360 gain our respect in society and the society we've we've 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.040 been kidnapped into, you know what I mean? I think 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.960 that that's that's the issue within itself lies and understanding 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:30.160 what it really means to be uh suppressed as a culture, 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:34.360 not allowed to to grow, and then forcing the growth 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.160 and now all of a sudden, uh not all of 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.800 a sudden, but but years later wanting to every everyone 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.920 to understand everything immediately. There needs to be a little 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.600 bit of grace given. The Mother Stuck Up Podcast with 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.880 me Michael black It's a Calvary audio production brought to 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.640 you by All Heart Radio and The Black Effect Podcast Network. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.199 Produced by Brendan Morgan, Proby Audio and a King for 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.840 The Black Effect. Associate producer is Jeff Apple. 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