Speaker 1: Calgary Audio. What's up, mother Sockers. Welcome to another episode
Speaker 1: of Mothersucker Podcast. I'm your host, Michael Blackson. I'm never alone, Mike.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you remember that one I'm never alone
Speaker 1: the last episode you forgot. I'm never alone. Chinese best friend,
Speaker 1: you always here? Yeah, you're homeless Chinese best friend. Uh
Speaker 1: yeah I am because uh I am always in the
Speaker 1: background of Michael block them you are my shadow. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. They give a big welcome to the first
Speaker 1: female black, the first black transgender comedian. I right my saying,
Speaker 1: miss Pink foxes in the building. Pink FOXO Fox it is,
Speaker 1: but it's Pink Fox. But she's wearing all black right now,
Speaker 1: if you're feeling that, if you know that you're a woman,
Speaker 1: would you want to be with a man as well? No,
Speaker 1: I don't like man. I'm not attracted to mine. Damn.
Speaker 1: That's the coolest trus gender earth. Yeah. We like the
Speaker 1: same thing as pussy. Yeah, but I think that's why
Speaker 1: everybody foks with me. Yeah, because you like pussy and
Speaker 1: I like you like I don't like dick. Because you
Speaker 1: know what, in that moment, you have to you have
Speaker 1: to see that. That's a teacher. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: like a teaching moment, right, just me being myself. Because
Speaker 1: just because your trans it doesn't mean that you like men.
Speaker 1: That's not what that means. That means you identify as female.
Speaker 1: You identify how you identify, right, whatever you're attracted to
Speaker 1: that sexual identity. Gender identity and sexual identity are two
Speaker 1: different things. My gender identity is female. My sexual identities lesbian.
Speaker 1: Because I date and like women. That's what I funk with, right,
Speaker 1: And they funk with me, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: got some bad ones, some bad bitches, some bad ones
Speaker 1: with vagina, yes, all day long. Wow, how do you
Speaker 1: feel Aboutdave Chapelle? I love Dave. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: what about Dave. So if you watch The Closer on
Speaker 1: Netflix and you watch the credits, you'll see me in
Speaker 1: a picture with Dave. And I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: paying the photos and ship, but me Anderson Park, Dave,
Speaker 1: Dave's wife, all in a photo together in the credits
Speaker 1: of The Closer. So I funk with I funk with Dave,
Speaker 1: and he was very nice to me, very gracious, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I got nothing but respect for him. He's
Speaker 1: an elder in the comedy community, and although his his
Speaker 1: views are a bit askew, I would love to add
Speaker 1: the opportunity just you know, further educate him or give
Speaker 1: him a different perspective. That's why he don't his views
Speaker 1: are askew because he don't understand. I think that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole, it's a deeper thing to
Speaker 1: it being black, being black African American men. I think
Speaker 1: that there's a history of of of of lack of
Speaker 1: understanding of the l g B t q I a
Speaker 1: community within that community, and because of that, there are
Speaker 1: micro aggress and macro aggressions, violence and things like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, because I know, you know, where everybody being
Speaker 1: proud and coming out and let everybody know who they
Speaker 1: are now that I mean, we'll go back to the
Speaker 1: nineties and mind you, I'm sure women were feeling this
Speaker 1: way in the eighties and nineties too. They just had
Speaker 1: they just kept it to themselves. Is that what happened? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that there was a there's an amount of um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's an amount of oppression that happens when
Speaker 1: anyone is different, right, and and those protections happened through
Speaker 1: organizing and marching and and displays of Hey, we're being
Speaker 1: mistreated over here, so we need representation to help us
Speaker 1: make it past this. So like since Stonewall, you know,
Speaker 1: we've we've been fighting for that equality. And I think
Speaker 1: the thing that that the that the Special lacks, in short,
Speaker 1: is the viewpoint of the black transgender you know, it's
Speaker 1: more about white people and white trans on us more
Speaker 1: than it is being black. And and then that within
Speaker 1: its self is a bit of eratier, which once again
Speaker 1: I'm not saying was on purpose. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: I understand because he literally says in the special, my
Speaker 1: problem is not with the transgender community, it's what white people.
Speaker 1: But the thing about that is, before he recorded that,
Speaker 1: and before he said that on stage, he said that
Speaker 1: to me when I'm at him, he knew exactly why
Speaker 1: I met Dave. He said, you're pink Fox. I've heard
Speaker 1: great things about you because I'm friends with Jeff Frost.
Speaker 1: Community is gonna ever, uh forgive David. I think that
Speaker 1: there needs to be an understanding of where Dave is
Speaker 1: coming from and why Dave feels the way he feels.
Speaker 1: And then I also need, uh, there to be an
Speaker 1: understanding of what it means to be a comedian, because
Speaker 1: if we look at people like George Carlin, there's always
Speaker 1: someone who's raising a finger and saying, hey, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: The societal norm bro when broken down, makes me feel
Speaker 1: like this and this is what's going on with this
Speaker 1: and that? And even Lenny Bruce, the societal norm back
Speaker 1: then was was to be segregated and to to treat
Speaker 1: black people a certain type of way. He stood up
Speaker 1: against that, you know, and because of that he was
Speaker 1: jailed many times on stage for just stating his opinion
Speaker 1: in a vulgar way. Albeit but still so. I think
Speaker 1: that going against the status quo, even though the status
Speaker 1: quo at this point is making sure that people are
Speaker 1: are not being mistreated or or oppressed just for their identities, uh,
Speaker 1: there's still this one man standing up and saying I
Speaker 1: have a problem with this, and this is why, and
Speaker 1: it's less of a go ahead mind, But what I mean,
Speaker 1: what happened to freedom of speech? Though? Like what you
Speaker 1: could talk about. I thought that's what made America great,
Speaker 1: to talk about whatever you want to talk about, regardless
Speaker 1: of what it is, and especially being a comic. I
Speaker 1: never thought that we should be. We should be just
Speaker 1: we comedians at the end of the day. You know,
Speaker 1: it's our job to just make fun of anything that
Speaker 1: we want to make fun of. I understand that. But
Speaker 1: let me ask you a questions, where is the line
Speaker 1: between freedom of speech and hate speech? That is true?
Speaker 1: Definitely agree to, Because if there was a Nazi comedian
Speaker 1: and he was spewing all this hatred for who he
Speaker 1: doesn't like, would we still have the same or extend
Speaker 1: the same graciousness to him for just being himself. But
Speaker 1: they're not saying he don't like them, right, No. But
Speaker 1: the one thing that was conflicting to me and which
Speaker 1: which helped me understand that Dave still lacked an understanding
Speaker 1: fully was that he said the phrase trans women are
Speaker 1: women and then proceeded to call himself a turf, which
Speaker 1: is a trans exclusionary radical feminists whose slogan is trans
Speaker 1: women are not women. You can't have both, okay, So okay,
Speaker 1: And that's the part that you're a woman. That was
Speaker 1: the part, yes, And that was the part and my
Speaker 1: you know, my eyes, and that was the part that
Speaker 1: that that I understood at that moment when he said
Speaker 1: I believe trans women are women. And then turned around
Speaker 1: and said, I'm a turf. I said, okay, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what he's talking. Turf is a trans exclusionary radical feminist.
Speaker 1: So there's a branch of feminists that don't believe trans
Speaker 1: women are women, that feel like trans women are infringing
Speaker 1: on their rights as women and occupying spaces in which
Speaker 1: they sacred, as in the rest room, in dressing rooms
Speaker 1: and things like that, and they don't want that right.
Speaker 1: They think that these are just men with dresses on.
Speaker 1: They don't give that same understanding because of their reasoning
Speaker 1: and their feelings towards our community. And once he aligned
Speaker 1: himself with that, I think that's really what struck a
Speaker 1: chord in our community and where they said, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you're calling yourself a turf. I think that was louder
Speaker 1: than him saying that trans women are women, because it's
Speaker 1: two conflicting opinions. You know what's up, mother suck Us?
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Speaker 1: I just know, I'm like I said, artist are new
Speaker 1: to me. I'm totally uneducated when it comes to this
Speaker 1: whole gay life and lgbt Q. Did I forget any letter?
Speaker 1: I A but that's you don't have to say, uh,
Speaker 1: intersex and a sexual. There's a lot more coming out.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. So as we identify more branches
Speaker 1: within our community and really define what it means to
Speaker 1: be who we are, because there are so many different
Speaker 1: variations of a queer person or someone that is just
Speaker 1: not heteronormative, that we're working our best to make sure
Speaker 1: everyone feels represented and identified properly. And no one wants
Speaker 1: to feel as though they've been fall you know, dropped
Speaker 1: by the wayside. Will a bitch asked you gotta be
Speaker 1: in part of the lgbt No, but I'll inquire about
Speaker 1: that for you. Michael put b a. I might be
Speaker 1: a lum. I'm a bit as a guy. I don't
Speaker 1: like to fight. I don't argue, you know. I like
Speaker 1: to say this on stage, I said, I might be
Speaker 1: a bitch nigger. But it ain't no bitch nigger, I understand.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's just a whole thing. You
Speaker 1: guys have a meeting every week. No, there is no
Speaker 1: meeting every week per se that I go to. But
Speaker 1: there are meetings and we do organize. And I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the things about the l g B
Speaker 1: t Q. I a community that is different. We have
Speaker 1: everyone from every nationality pushing for one goal. Can you
Speaker 1: name another movement like that. That's the best movement I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. All Right, So there is um is where
Speaker 1: that phrase, the word that keem came from? Do you everyone?
Speaker 1: I think back in the day that was just derogatory.
Speaker 1: It was just for a busch lesbian. Is it like
Speaker 1: a nigga kind of? I don't know if it's nigga,
Speaker 1: but it's darky. Okay with regard to the church as
Speaker 1: it relates to sports, okay, transplant that want to compete it.
Speaker 1: I guess head along. Okay, six gender women, it's what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. No, it's cool, it's cool. It's cool.
Speaker 1: So I was having a conversation with Fallon Fox. You
Speaker 1: know Fallon foxes Falon Fox was the first transgender m
Speaker 1: M A fighter. I literally just talked to the Fallion
Speaker 1: before I left for my flight to d C. Right,
Speaker 1: so we all we we all talked. Most of us talk.
Speaker 1: If you live in Hollywood, even l A or you've
Speaker 1: made some sort of headline, we know each other. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. So so I was talking to Fallon and
Speaker 1: Falin was like, I said, what you think is special?
Speaker 1: She she she she didn't approve. And then I gave
Speaker 1: her my experience, yeah, yeah, the closer. And I gave
Speaker 1: her my my experience with Dave personally. And then she
Speaker 1: also brought up a segment in which Bill Burr didn't
Speaker 1: refer to her by name but called but called her
Speaker 1: a diculous man. And uh, you know, and I just
Speaker 1: had the six I know Bill too, and and Bill
Speaker 1: is very friendly to me. And you know, so she's
Speaker 1: a she's a woman not born born a map I
Speaker 1: signed mail at birth. But why why is chiculus well,
Speaker 1: because you know, I guess he was just trying to
Speaker 1: be funny. Man, did she remove? No? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what she has in her pants because no,
Speaker 1: I didn't ask. But that's not what makes you trans.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with that. It's brain. It's
Speaker 1: a brain chemistry situation. So you can have both, even
Speaker 1: you can have anything. So what is happening both as intersext? Oh?
Speaker 1: That's that's another letter you just put it in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the eye intersex. Yeah, and it's sex you got No,
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna tell somebody. Hey, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be intersex. It's wrong to be intersex if you're
Speaker 1: born with openis of it. Yeah, you're born like that?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Damn. So it's just it's a lot
Speaker 1: of lack of understanding. You want know the truth is man,
Speaker 1: um My management reached out to me and they wanted
Speaker 1: me to write something on how I feel about the
Speaker 1: whole situation. And uh, I've been really hesitant and slow
Speaker 1: to speak about it. But you know, I blame I
Speaker 1: blame slavery. I blame slavery is in the attack on
Speaker 1: black masculinity, in the slowed or lack of understanding of
Speaker 1: l g B t q I A because for many years,
Speaker 1: after being oppressed for four hundred, it was any type
Speaker 1: of weakness was deemed as counterproductive, especially dealing with things
Speaker 1: like Black Wall Street, especially dealing with things coming out
Speaker 1: of slavery and trying to grow as a people and
Speaker 1: gain our respect in society and the society we've we've
Speaker 1: been kidnapped into, you know what I mean? I think
Speaker 1: that that's that's the issue within itself lies and understanding
Speaker 1: what it really means to be uh suppressed as a culture,
Speaker 1: not allowed to to grow, and then forcing the growth
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, uh not all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, but but years later wanting to every everyone
Speaker 1: to understand everything immediately. There needs to be a little
Speaker 1: bit of grace given. The Mother Stuck Up Podcast with
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