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Speaker 1: Hello, Maine and Greater New England. We're coming to see

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Speaker 1: State Theater on August. If you're interested. You can get

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Speaker 1: There's some lobster at us. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,

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Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey you,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

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Speaker 1: Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Jerry, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we should say Jerry say hey to everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Jerry's back. I think we scared everyone. I

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Speaker 1: like joked on a short stuff for one of the

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Speaker 1: recent episodes that she was gone. She's going from a

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Speaker 1: couple of episodes She's but people took it to mean

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Speaker 1: like Jerry was just gone. Yeah, so some people were

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Speaker 1: a little freaked up by that. So Jerry is not

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Speaker 1: going anywhere anyone. She doesn't want to as far as

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Speaker 1: we know, and we're not gonna let or even if

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Speaker 1: she does. Jerry's here, and you're here too. How are

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Speaker 1: you doing. I'm great? Neither one of us removing our lips. No,

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Speaker 1: that's how good we are. We've done this whole conversation

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Speaker 1: without any I mean, it's astounding what we can do

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Speaker 1: just a couple of events. We're basically like Edgar Bergen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a deep cut vent by the way, everyone, we're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna say a lot that is short for ventriloquist. Yes, uh,

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Speaker 1: And ventriloquism can be a mouthful, so I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: Ventriloquism can be as it can a mouthful and bellyful

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Speaker 1: was it this that I talked about practicing ventriloquism when

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Speaker 1: time I find this delicious. So let's talk about ancient

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Speaker 1: understands what we're talking about, Chuck Ventriloquism is where you

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Speaker 1: sure Kevin Hart's like, WTF, Yeah, it's probably him, right. Um,

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Speaker 1: So you've got Jeff Duneham in the World Record Book.

422
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: You got Terry Fader with a hundred million dollar um

423
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: mirage deal selling out every single day. And then there's

424
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: a show called America's Got Talent one to three including

425
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Terry Fader eventula Quist have won that show. Yeah, three

426
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: eventulo quis. So there's like a weird ventrilo quism renaissance

427
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: going on right now. Yeah, and Fader and Um, I

428
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: think who was the other one? Darcy Yeah, Darcy Land

429
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: Farmer are notable. She was just twelve years old. They

430
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Speaker 1: are notable for um being good singers, and they will

431
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: have their dummy sing songs. And I think that's generally

432
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: what seems to knock people out is when this beautiful

433
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: voice comes out of that felt mouth, you know, like

434
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: Terry Fader's dummy does a rendition of Edda James that

435
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: last it's really something to hear and see. It's amazing. Yeah. So, um,

436
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: it's weird because you've got Edgar Bergen from the thirties

437
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: to the late fifties it was a huge heyday of ventriloquism,

438
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: and then you've got this kind of resurgence in the

439
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand tens. But in between, it's not

440
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: like it ever really went away. Some of the most

441
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: recognizable um ventriloquism dummies like Lamb chop Lester, the Dummy, Madam,

442
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: Jerry Mahoney, Madam, all those came in between those two times. Yeah,

443
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: and they existed on The Gong Show and the Sunny

444
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: and Share Show, and they would make these appearances in

445
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: the boom of the seventies variety show. Sure, so it's

446
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: not like it ever went away. And it makes you

447
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: wonder if ventriloquism ever really will go away because for one,

448
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: as everyone to a person can agree, it's astoundingly hilarious

449
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: us the jokes are. And then secondly, to see you

450
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: truly good ventriloquists perform, it's it's something to see. It

451
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: is thrilling, is it to an extent? Yes, I think

452
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: that the one thing I can say that impresses me

453
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: is when it's really fast back and forth between the two,

454
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: because that is just physically impressive to me to be

455
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: able to do that and to do the hand movements

456
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: and sink it out in time. It out really right exactly.

457
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Or if you're like the great Lester, to drink while

458
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: you're while you're vent dummy is talking. Yeah, I looked

459
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: into that trick. It's really making a sound. He's not talking,

460
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: the dummy isn't. But what the what they're doing is

461
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: they're not drinking. They have tricked glasses. Yeah. Wow, they

462
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: fooled me. So we talked about the Ventriloquism Museum because

463
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about dumb Struck. But there is a museum.

464
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: It's a converted house in the suburbs in a subdivision

465
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: I think in in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, right across Cincinnati,

466
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: and there are I think a thousand dummies where this

467
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: is like where they live now. It's a nightmare room,

468
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: is what it is. Have you seen it. It's in

469
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: that documentary right okay, and there's pictures of it all over.

470
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: But it's a bit of a nightmare room. Um. But

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00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: it's really cool, especially if you're a ventriloquist. Because as

472
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: part of this saying like here, please, you know, take

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Speaker 1: care of my dummy after I die. The dummies will

474
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: be kept in good condition. They will be kept clean, washed,

475
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: behind the ears, all that stuff. But no one, no

476
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: one will animate them. It's just part of it. Not

477
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: even the curator of the museum can touch these things.

478
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: You can handle them, the curator can, but to to

479
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: animate them make them talk is a gross violation of

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00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: the dummy vent relationship that was created over the years. Yeah,

481
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: no other hands shall be up the butt right except

482
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: for its original owner. But I think that's fantastic. You

483
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: don't want to disrespect someone's dummy like that now. And

484
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian article kind of put it in perspective. They said,

485
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: like nobody's just gonna come along and pick up chuck

486
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: berries guitar lucile and start strumming on it or whatever.

487
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Where was that from Smithsonian? Because BB King has Lucille.

488
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, they got it wrong. I got it wrong too.

489
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: There was a Smithsonian magazine article. That's weird, that's Smithsonian.

490
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: Thanks again, Smithsonian. Uh what was it wrong again? Gay

491
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: guy to Springfield. When I said earlier that that room

492
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: is a nightmare. Um, I wasn't disparaging dummies or event trilloquism.

493
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: There is a um, a long standing sort of thing

494
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: in pop culture that dummies are uh you know, will

495
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: come alive at night and kill you. Decidedly creepy when

496
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: they're just laying there on a couch or something. It

497
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: doesn't help that when they're not being animated that they're

498
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: referred to as dead. Yeah, that's laying there, floppy eyes, open,

499
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: mouth ape, and it's just creepy looking. We gotta read

500
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: this some quote from the writer um who wrote this,

501
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh Lauren Canter. That's here. When draped across the table

502
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: or chair away from the performer, the dolls floppy limbs

503
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: resembled out of a dead body, but the eyes remain

504
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: open and the mouth is fixed with a terrifying smile,

505
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: as if the body is a poorly embalmed child corpse. Yeah,

506
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: it's decidedly creepy, so much so that it's been I mean,

507
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: most recently in Toy Story four. Uh have you seen

508
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: that yet? There's Benson. Benson is a is a dummy

509
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: that's every time played up like it's every time he appears.

510
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: It's like a horror movie, gives a horror movie staying

511
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: and he's in the dramatic lighting and that movie magic.

512
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid with Anthony Hopkins

513
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: in did You Ever See Dead Silence? No? But I

514
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: just remember seeing that Magic trailer when I was seven

515
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: and thinking it was the scariest looking thing I've ever seen.

516
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: It was a pretty scary one, although I'll bet you

517
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: dollars to doughnuts it's probably not scary all of it.

518
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I saw it recently. Fairly scary. Um. The scariest ventriloquism

519
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: TV show or movie of all time is an Alfred

520
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Hitchcock Presents episode called The Glass Eye. Just go watch it.

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00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Go find it on Netflix, on Prime, on Hulu, I

522
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: don't care. Just go find the Glass I think it's

523
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: season three. If Alfred Hitchcock Presents and thank me later.

524
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: It will give you chills. Is I'm getting chills right now?

525
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: Is talking about? It was genuinely scary to check that out,

526
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: Just beautifully done well and it sort of sets itself

527
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: up that way, and that you have a inanimate thing

528
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: that you bring to life and all you have to

529
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: do in the story is cross it in some way.

530
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Either by forgetting about it, leaving it behind, or getting

531
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: a new one. Right. Jealousy is a big thing. Jealousy,

532
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: and then that thing comes to life and kills you

533
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: in your sleep. It's just it's all waiting to be

534
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: But first it starts by killing your friends and loved ones.

535
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: Oh sure, you're right, exactly. You just wake up and

536
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: your wife's gone, Your dummies in there smiling, the windows open,

537
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: that's right. Oh man, I gotta see that now, the

538
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: glass eye. I think I think we should take a

539
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and finally talk about

540
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: throwing your voice. Are you okay with that? Yeah, let's

541
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: do it, Okay, all right, we've kind of hinted at

542
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: it a little bit, we've given a lot of it away,

543
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about throwing your voice and again

544
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: to just come right out and say it. No matter

545
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: what you read on the internet, no matter what you've

546
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: heard from your friend, uh Jimmy, from the dummy that

547
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: talks to you at night while you're trying to sleep,

548
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: who cares. You cannot throw your voice. It's impossible to

549
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: make your voice come from a different location, but you

550
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: can make your voice sound like it's coming from a

551
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: different location if you're really good at it, and that's

552
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: growing your voice. Yeah, and part of the trick is

553
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: a visual illusion that happens when someone is standing there

554
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: watching a human being with a puppet and the puppets talking,

555
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: and you see that with your eyeballs, you are your

556
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: your brain is tricked into just believing. But again, that's

557
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: when you know the dummy is only a foot away. Anyway,

558
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: if you're an audience member two ft away, it's not

559
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: much of a leap. So the it's actually your brain

560
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: doing something. It's not you saying I'm going to decide

561
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I decided I'm going to just go all in with

562
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: this Ventriloquist. Your brains actual it does. Your brain is

563
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: actually being tricked because there's something appropriately called the Ventriloquist

564
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: effect where if your eyes and your ears are telling

565
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: you two slightly different things, your brain over right over

566
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: rides your ears and goes with your eyes. So if

567
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: your eyes are telling your brain, hey, I think that

568
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: voice is coming from that dummy, because the dummies lips

569
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: are moving in time with the sound, the brain is

570
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: gonna be like, okay, it's coming out of the dummy,

571
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: even though your ears are like, no, it's coming a

572
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: little to the right of the dummy. Your brain says,

573
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: shut up, ears and actually overrides what your ears are

574
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: sending it and merges it with what your eyes are

575
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: sending it, so that you subjectively experience the sound coming

576
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: out of the dummy. And it sounds bizarre. But if

577
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: you stop and think about it, if you're watching TV

578
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: and you've just got that little speaker built into the

579
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: bottom of the TV, it's not like the sound of

580
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: people talking appears to be coming out of the speaker

581
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the TV. It seems like it's

582
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: coming out of the people's lips. Same exact thing. That's

583
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: the ventriloquist effect. Yeah, slightly different with movies because they

584
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: actually put speakers behind the movie screen to help with

585
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: that effect. Well, the movie screen so large. But even

586
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: if you just s some jangkee TV that just has

587
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: that terrible speaker built into the bottom or the right

588
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: side or something, it's not like you're like, I can't

589
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: even follow this? What other TVs? What? What else is

590
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: out there that I don't know about? Don't the eldest

591
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: have speakers? Uh? No, you could have home speakers connected

592
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: to your TV, right some speakers might have the some

593
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: TV might have the speaker in the top left, right

594
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: in the bottom right. It's all over the place. It's

595
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: a free for all, gotcha. Another thing that really helps

596
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: us effect too, And this is what you want to

597
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: do anyway, if you want to get act as, you

598
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: want to really give that dummy a distinct personality from

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00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: your own. Uh, it should sound very different. Um, a

600
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: lot of times it's a different accent. You just really

601
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: want to put a distance between who you are and

602
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: how you talk and who that dummy is and how

603
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: they talk. Yeah, because when you when you talk like

604
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: that the first couple of times the dummy speaks, not

605
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: only is it delivering some of the funniest jokes you'll

606
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: ever hear in your life, it's also simultaneously training the

607
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: audience that this is what the dummy sounds like. So

608
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: when you combine the Ventriloquist effect, that your brain is

609
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: overriding what your ears are telling it with the ventriloquist

610
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: looking at the dummy while the dummies talking like, look, everybody,

611
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: this is where our attention should be focused because this

612
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: is who's talking. And then the dummy has its own personality.

613
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Those things together are the magic of ventriloquism. That's what

614
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: makes ventriloquism work. That's how we come to see an

615
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: inanimate object like a dummy, speaking like a hilarious yokel.

616
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what the deal is with why they're not

617
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: funny to me? I don't know, man, I think that

618
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: dummy may have killed like your family dog or something,

619
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and you just block that out. I think I'm a

620
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: discerning uh comedy fan. What the deal is is? They're

621
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: not There's never been some a great comedian. It was like, man,

622
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: I am a smoking hot comedian, so let me get

623
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: a dummy up here. It's it's sort of like prop comedy,

624
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I guess, and it's the most basic form. Speaking of

625
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: prop comedy, shout out to Carrot Top, who is still around.

626
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: He's got his own Vegas residences. Do you know that

627
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: didn't but doesn't surprise me. I saw him one day

628
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: on the street in Vegas, uh no, down in Florida,

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Speaker 1: just walking around. I shouted, Carrot Top. Now he's on

630
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: his mopad. I shouted Carrot Top, and he turned around

631
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: and sped off. Of course he did, because he threw

632
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: a rubber chicken at him. No, I just shouted carrot

633
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: and said, what could you do with this? So um,

634
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: I kind of take offense to that because I like

635
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: to consider myself pretty discerning comedy wise. You are, and

636
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: that's why I'm shocked that you do. You sit around

637
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: and watch this and you're legitimately laughing at how funny

638
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: it is. No, never, but I am impressed with the

639
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: skill and the the stagecraft. Been saying it's very funny. No,

640
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever had an Eventil Chris

641
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: Dummy make me laugh? Okay, I guess I see what

642
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: you're saying now. I'm just trying to get to the

643
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: bottom of how you really feel about the jokes. You know.

644
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: Also shade out. Shout out to shade out, shout yeah

645
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: it is, and if it works, shout out to what

646
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: is it? Nate Burghassy, Oh, I finally saw that guy Special.

647
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: You've been talking him up because he lived up to

648
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: the hype man. He is hilarious. He's coming to Atlanta

649
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: in uh December again. Let's go. You want to go,

650
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: Let's go, all right, we can go backstage. Maybe, Oh

651
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: that'd be great. You might remember me. That'd be really cool.

652
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Give me backstage. I'll try. We'll both bring our ventula

653
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: because dummies, and we'll heckle him with the dummies. Yeah, well,

654
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: we would never say. Here's the thing, I love puppets

655
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: and puppeteering. I'm like a kid in a in a

656
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: candy store when it comes to stuff like that. Have

657
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: you been to the Center for Puppet Tree Yards? Remember? Oh? Yeah,

658
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: we had our TV show premiere there. Yeah, I love it.

659
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: So there there's I don't know, something happens between puppets

660
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: comedy and the weird Venn diagram that is ventriloquism where

661
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: I just I can't go there. Maybe do you not

662
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: like singers and one liners Henny Youngman type stuff, because

663
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of events, A lot of it

664
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: is very old school. Yeah, they're not. I'd like to

665
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe see something a little more modern, like a Jeff Dunn.

666
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm like an evening with type of comedy. I see

667
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: you want a storytelling. Oh what's the guy's name? Oh

668
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: my god, what is his name? This is not making

669
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: for good podcast? Is it a comedian? Oh? You want

670
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: to see Neil Hamburger doing ventrilo That would be pretty great,

671
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: that would be astounding. Is he still around. I don't know.

672
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they had that movie a couple of years back.

673
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's still around, all right, So let's talk

674
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: about how to do this, because this is the stuff

675
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: that really as a kid, I would sit around in

676
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: the mirror with that dumb record on practicing my bs f's, ms, ps,

677
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: vs and w's because you can't really say those letters

678
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: with your mouth closed, because when you're when you're talking

679
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: as eventual, because your mouth closed, your teeth are shut

680
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: and it's just the tip of your tongue moving back

681
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: and forth. Your tongue is actually retracted to the back

682
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: of your mouth. So it's an astounding that just that

683
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: small handful of letters are the ones that are hard

684
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: to pronounce. It is, But if you look at that

685
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: other long list, I mean, anyone with no training whatsoever,

686
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: you can probably get in front of a mirror and

687
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: not move their lips and go a C, D, E, G, H, I,

688
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: j K, L H O q R S t U

689
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: x z. So you're training paid off. This was the

690
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: moment you were training for it. But when it comes

691
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: to those other ones, and the one I really remember

692
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: was bees and ends, So you swap out d s

693
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: for bees. So instead of saying the word boy b

694
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: o y, you say doy, right, but you don't say doy,

695
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: you say yeah you try to and girls. Yeah, exactly.

696
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: And that's the trick, is his context. When you hear

697
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: doys and girls, your brain wants to hear boys and girls,

698
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: and uh, your brain wants to hear uh, what's another

699
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: one here? I don't wonder that one part when the

700
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: guy did Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,

701
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: he did it really like, these are the ones that

702
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: are really good at it. You just can't see right.

703
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: And that's the thing you and I are, well, I

704
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: should say I'm not very good at it. I'm not either,

705
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: but um ventillo Christs are. And if this sounds really weird,

706
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: all you have to do is say, well, i've seemed

707
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: ventilo christ before, I've never noticed, and they would say exactly, yeah,

708
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: that's how good we are. Start listening a little bit

709
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: for peas and teas. Instead of saying the repeater, you

710
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: would say, teeter, take the tech of tickled tech teppers,

711
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: which sounds ridiculous. But the practice, practice, practice part, you know,

712
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: and even in that documentary, you know, some of them

713
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: were better than others even within that movie. So you

714
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: could see a master at work like Dan Horn or

715
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: the Vegas guy Terry Fader and Dan Horn. I do

716
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: need to shout out that everyone remarked about his articulation.

717
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: What do they call it though, just like how you

718
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: move the puppet basically not even the mouth stuff. Handwork. Yeah,

719
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: the handwork and um, the manipulation is just off the

720
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: charts for him. He really brings it to life. But yeah, yeah,

721
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: he was really really good. But then you would see

722
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: someone else, um, like the beauty contestant who Kimberly he

723
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: really wanted to be on the cruise ship performing and

724
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: she was okay, but you could you know she you

725
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: could hear those teas sometimes and you could hear those

726
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: bees or d's for bees. I didn't notice, well, I

727
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: was really had the headphones in and that was really

728
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: picking it apart. I was studying, and I think that,

729
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a magician. Some people go there

730
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: and watch the magic act and some people we'll see

731
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: there and try and figure out what they're doing. I

732
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: think some people go and they just check out and

733
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: they're like, this is the funniest dang thing I've ever seen,

734
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: and other people just stare at the lips with their

735
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: arms cross waiting to catch them. Right, it's a weird thing.

736
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: There's actually a scene like that in Dead Silence, that

737
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: horror movie where boys like I could see your lips

738
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: move and that boy who is who's in? That's the

739
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: lead knowing you've heard of? Okay, so although what's Donnie Wahlberg,

740
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: isn't it? He plays a cop, almost a hapless cop

741
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: who kind of alternates between like a tough guy and

742
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: a guy who can get pushed the floor easily by

743
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: a man who's fifty pounds lighter than him. I thought

744
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: this is an old movie, so this is he doesn't seven? Okay,

745
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: semi recently worth seeing. It actually is super scary in

746
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: a few parts Dead Silence, Dead Silence. It's a little hokey,

747
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: but it's a cult I want to say, a cult classic.

748
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: Not yet, it's a cult favorite. Give it a few years.

749
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: It's got a cold already, it's got a cold following,

750
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if it's a cult classic.

751
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: We should read the rest of these though, just in

752
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: case people do want to practice DS for bees for

753
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: f you use E T H as your substitution, u

754
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: ms become ends like I said, nothings instead of muffins,

755
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: tease like we said, become pas vs, become th h

756
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: E liked for victory. Yeah. Again, sounds ridiculous coming out

757
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: of our mouths, right, but we're talking like imagine if

758
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: you played up like an accent or it's a little

759
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: kid who has like buck teeth or something like that,

760
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: then it's explained. It makes all tricks of the trade exactly.

761
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: And another trick of the trade is to uh not

762
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: use those words much, right. Rewrite the sentence, yeah, rewrite

763
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: it so instead of d for boy doy just a kid. Sure,

764
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: like the Elmer Fudd rule, which was well, remember Elmer

765
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: Fudd could like he I guess, stuttered, I guess, and

766
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: then we just abandoned whatever we're we're trying to say, Oh,

767
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: it was porky pig, your porky pig. There's another thing

768
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: about porky pig. Remember when we were talking about Donald Duck.

769
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: How Donald Duck wore a shirt with no pants that's

770
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: actually called porky pig in it? A shirt with no pants. Yeah,

771
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: somebody walking around with just a shirt on, which I've

772
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: said before, I know this because I've mentioned in an

773
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: episode before I was it's the most horrific look a

774
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: man ever Donald, and somebody wrote in and so that's

775
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: actually called porky pig in it, and I'm like, that's

776
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: classic and disturbed people that well. I mean, it's like

777
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: if you're getting dressed, but who puts on their shirt

778
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: before their underwear. There's some weirdos out there who do,

779
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: or I guess a lot of people don't wear underwear.

780
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: There you go, you just figured it out. I just

781
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: remember the scene an Animal House when Donald Sutherland has

782
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: on that cardigan sweater and he goes and gets like

783
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: a box of cereal off the shelf, porky pigging it

784
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: and his sweater races up and you see his butt. Yeah,

785
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: it's disturbing. Oh man, not a good look. There's one

786
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: other thing on to say, we we need to get

787
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: technically here because we've been real silly. But ventriloquists when

788
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: they are speaking, they talk in a resonant voice, so

789
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: it's got a real hump to it, and there's a

790
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: lot of air involved that they pushed through their nose

791
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: and their closed teeth. At the same time, breathing is

792
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: very important, so they get a real resonant voice, which

793
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: is one way that they can project it. They can

794
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: make it sound like it's further away by modulating their voice.

795
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: And there's a ventriloquist called Paul's Arden. He won America's

796
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: Got Talent too, and he's taken it old school where

797
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: he goes out like some of the old ventriloquists who

798
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: um worked before dummies did uh and fools um hapless

799
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: bystanders into thinking somebody's crying out from a dumpster and

800
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: needs help or something like that. He's also the guy,

801
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I think that it's on America's Got Talent that does

802
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: a mask on a real human. He got Howie Mandel

803
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: up there, and the lady came out and would put

804
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: a mask on Howie Mandel. And knowing how how We

805
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Mandel is about germs, I could see him just like, yeah,

806
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: this person is putting a mask on his face with

807
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: their hands, and he was kind of like okay. But

808
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: then there's either a remote control or something behind him

809
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: where he moves the mouth, So Howie Mandel just has

810
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: to sit there right. He does the eventually quizit with

811
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: Howowie Mandel's moving mouth, Ye has the dummy. It's pretty hilarious.

812
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: It is. Well, if you want to know more about

813
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: ventula quis M, go practice, go figure it out. You

814
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: can do it. We know you can't. And since I

815
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: said you can do it, it's time for a listener mail.

816
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: Hey guys, my name is Nathan. I'm twenty eight years old.

817
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm a systems engineer and Waka Shaw Wisconsin. Here's how

818
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: you pronounced Did you see that? Uh? He has a

819
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: fancy named Abby. You get married Nick August. He's been

820
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: listening to us for six months and he's hooked, so

821
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: he says this. I just finished the eyewitness testimony episode

822
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: and I finally have something to write in about the

823
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: movie The Twelve Angry Men. Yeah. It was made in

824
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties about a jury comprised of twelve angry men.

825
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: The movie covers a lot about prejudice, prejudice, morality, and

826
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: everything else that goes along with courtroom dramas. But one

827
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: of the penultimate scenes regarding eyewitness test is regarding eyewitness testimony.

828
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to give it anything away, but it

829
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: really shows how someone can be completely confident in something

830
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: they've seen, but what might not be really what happened

831
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: when you look at the details without knowing it. The

832
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: movie challenges memory versus reality and how we're all victims

833
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: to emotion. Pretty good for a movie about a bunch

834
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: of white dudes uh in the nineteen fifties, I totally

835
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: suggested as a much must watch, especially with the current

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Jerry. II. How that guy I know? And

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Speaker 1: that's from Nathan? Did you add that? No? Wow? Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome back Jerry. Guys. Good he's heard this episode before. Well,

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Speaker 1: she'd been back before this, so you're late, Nathan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was Nathan, Nathan. Thanks a lot, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for um teaching us how to pronounce with KESHI and

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