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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass, an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my little Peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This

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Speaker 1: is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my lovely, gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: very very intelligent husband.

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Speaker 2: What do you want?

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Speaker 1: Michael Turkey Tchurchen?

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Speaker 2: I don't trust him.

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Speaker 1: So there's this watch I've been really looking at. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Christmas is just right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll just give me your credit card. I'll buy

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Speaker 2: it for you.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, Christmas is right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: This is this is the start of my favorite season.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you go to CVS, what are you

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Speaker 1: going to see? Halloween stuff?

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Speaker 2: That's Christmas?

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Speaker 1: But that's the holiday season starting. Okay, that's just the

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Speaker 1: lead up, just the lead up. We got Thanksgiving it

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Speaker 1: between that, but it ultimately leads here.

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Speaker 3: We just enjoy summer while we're in it. You're bare

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Speaker 3: leading exactly. So why are you throwing it away?

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Speaker 1: For want pumpkins?

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Speaker 2: Okay, the man wants his pumpkins.

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Speaker 1: All right. So Halloween right around the corner, which is

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Speaker 1: also another major holiday. Our kid's birthday Friday the thirteenth

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: We got to do a really scary party, but like

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Speaker 1: kid friendly scary.

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Speaker 2: I mean two year scary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I can.

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Speaker 2: I can work with that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm excited. Once the stores have any kind

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Speaker 1: of Halloween candy going up, it's it's it's time, it's time.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna start decorating next week. God, when we

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Speaker 1: were back from Labor Day. Yes, happy Labor Day weekend everyone,

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Speaker 1: we are heading to Mexican code for friends kind of

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Speaker 1: slash engagement parties.

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Speaker 2: Is that what this is?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what it is. It's just

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Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend stuff, but they are engaged, So I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to make that the celebration. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's a birthday of someone staying at the house.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to say it's born sometime, but

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Speaker 1: really it's just for us to go get a little

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Speaker 1: sun for the first time. Yeah. Man, very excited, very excited.

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Speaker 1: So everyone have a very safe, safe, safe Labor Day weekend.

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Speaker 1: And uh and back to work everyone. I mean, poor kids,

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Speaker 1: I've been in school for a month already. Oh yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I would get out end of May sometimes like

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Speaker 1: May eighteenth, yes, and then we wouldn't get to go

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Speaker 2: It was like September.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, let's get to this interview right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. It's Ricky Agandinez is going to be on

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Speaker 1: the show. No authority. You might remember them from the nineties.

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Speaker 1: He has gone solo. He has made a name for

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Speaker 1: himself as Ricky Rebel. All right, and yeah, there's I

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Speaker 1: mean that he is a direct charge.

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Speaker 2: As a character.

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Speaker 3: And he made you know, recent headlines which we're not

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Speaker 3: gonna talk about nap, but we're gonna dive into it

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Speaker 3: at some point in this interview.

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Speaker 1: Them people make it headlines.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna learn some interesting stuff about

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Speaker 3: this guys.

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Speaker 1: Wait, all right, well, when we come back, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have the one and only Ricky Rebel. Just getting this

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Speaker 1: Ricky Rebel, Welcome back to Frosted Tips. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: he's here. Ricky, known by a stage named Ricky Rebel,

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Speaker 1: is an American singer, songwriter, dancer, musician, recording artist from Upland, California.

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Speaker 1: He began training as a gymnast at the age of

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Speaker 1: the age of eleven. Rebel began training in classical, ballet

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Speaker 1: which I think he met his voice from No Authority

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Speaker 1: at We're going to get to that. After some years

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Speaker 1: of competed competitive dancing, Rebel began acting before the music

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Speaker 1: was like Annie Oliver Phantom. In ninety six, Rebel started

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Speaker 1: No Authority was discovered by an A and R represented

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Speaker 1: from Sony Records, and was signed to Michael Jackson's label

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Speaker 1: MJJ Music, a custom label at Sony Ricky Rebel. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to frosted Tips. Wow, was that all correct?

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Speaker 2: That correct? Yes?

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Speaker 4: That was perfect?

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Speaker 1: How much dancing do you do these days? Because I

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Speaker 1: mean that's a crazy background.

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Speaker 4: That was dizzy to hear that. Yeah, it made me

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Speaker 4: have all these memories.

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Speaker 1: Do your knees hurt just listen?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, especially the freaking right knee, right or right?

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Speaker 1: It's my leftnee.

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Speaker 4: Are you a lefty?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It's everything on my left side, my left knee

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Speaker 1: and my left my bag.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's the right everything on the right. The

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Speaker 1: Are you right handed? Left handed?

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Speaker 4: I'm right handed?

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Speaker 1: See I am too.

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Speaker 4: It's weird.

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Speaker 1: You got to figure this out, Turkey. Yeah, I'll get

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Speaker 1: down to it, alright, You get down that Google. All right,

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Speaker 1: all right, Ricky, let's take it from the beginning.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's a good place.

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Speaker 1: It's always a good Upland, California. You were born, right,

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Speaker 1: What was it like growing up in that town? And

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Speaker 1: did you always know that you loved entertainment? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a small town. I great, it was great,

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Speaker 4: you know, the kind of thing. Basically, I I knew

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Speaker 4: I wanted to I saw Madonna perform. She did like

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Speaker 1: That's like that's what I need.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I need that in my life. And my parents

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Was it easy?

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Speaker 1: You know, as a boy growing up, especially in our generation,

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Speaker 1: I was lucky in my school that it was all

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, at the beginning of my life. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: And you have you always known you were gay at

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Speaker 4: No, really, no, I'm technically by I'm like, I call

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Speaker 4: I think, oh, yeah, it is. It is. It's really cool.

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Speaker 4: People when you have to try it sometime.

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Speaker 1: I said, our generation kind of had to go through that.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what made it so difficult for me to

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Speaker 4: But I think a lot of a lot of that

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Speaker 3: And you just didn't really see it, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell people, you know, you're like, why didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people would believe that, well, he's never in the

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Speaker 1: But now today it's nice. Kids can be themselves a

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Speaker 1: So as a kid, you began as a gymnast. You

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what was that like a lot of pressure? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I remember being in gymnastics to be perfect was the thing.

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Speaker 4: finally I could just express myself without like somebody with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And immediately I got like looked for a lot

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Speaker 1: It's the special skills you you list on your resume

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Speaker 1: Everyone everyone knows how to ride horses.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mary j Bly like all these well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, you know, we got to know Michael

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Speaker 1: What did the days, the early days look like for

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Speaker 4: get those leads.

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00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: I have to blend in with it.

441
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 4: Be better. Yeah, become a better singer. So I do

442
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 4: give him props for that, like made me want to

443
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 4: become a better singer. And I did do that. And

444
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 4: then he decided one moment that he wanted to go

445
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 4: solo during like one of the biggest shows. We're gonna

446
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 4: do a big show in Canada. And on the in

447
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 4: the actual you know, to get on the plane, we

448
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 4: get the call he's not coming.

449
00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: As you're going to the airport.

450
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 4: As we're going to the airport, like actually checking in

451
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 4: our bags. Josh is late because he's he's going solo,

452
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 4: like literally, and to do one of our biggest shows

453
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: that we've ever done. It was for White TV. I

454
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 4: don't know if you remember that, Yes, ye hye TV.

455
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 4: And we had like this big concert, like Y two

456
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 4: K type thing concert and this guy just decided.

457
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: Why did he decide to leave?

458
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 4: Because he thought he was really great, so.

459
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: He just wanted to solo and just was over it.

460
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: And up to that point where y'all not getting along.

461
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 4: No, I mean we weren't. I mean being in the

462
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 4: boy band was kind of miserable for me, but also

463
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: really exciting, right because you're accomplishing things. You're going on

464
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 4: tour with Britney Spears, you're doing all these great interviews,

465
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 4: you're traveling, you're a tour bus and everything. But for me,

466
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 4: I didn't.

467
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: We didn't.

468
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 4: I didn't feel like we always meshed well or it

469
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: got along well.

470
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: Some people just don't click, which I think. Did y'all

471
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: ever live together at the beginning of the group. Did

472
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: you ever live in the same house? No, okay, because

473
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: I think that's so important. We had to do that.

474
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: I live a bunch of you know, we lived together

475
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: for a year before we got a record deal, so

476
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: you knew by a month too if you liked the person.

477
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 4: You don't get me wrong, I love them. They love

478
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 4: me straight up. They know I love Danny Zabatski all

479
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 4: my heart, Eric, Tommy forever, Okay, Josh. I don't because

480
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: he he abandoned, he jumped ship when we needed him.

481
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 4: But don't get me wrong, they love me. I love them.

482
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: And it's like, as again, would you just need like

483
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: an apology?

484
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 4: I'm friends, I have not that. I love them, and

485
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 4: they they might have some ideas about me that they

486
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 4: might want to talk to me about, or they probably

487
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: they probably have talked to me about it. And one

488
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 4: of them, Tommy, has talked to me about feelings he's

489
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 4: had about me, some a few resentments. But Eric refuses.

490
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 4: I've been like, Eric, why is Eric not allowed? He

491
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 4: has a podcast? They had a Podcy like, why have

492
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 4: you guys invited me on the show? I'd love to

493
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: be on and and He's like, well Eric doesn't want you. Yeah,

494
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: And I'm like, what the hell what did I do

495
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 4: to Eric? Stretch?

496
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: We call Eric up right now, Yes, we have on

497
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: the phone right now. Eric.

498
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 4: He comes to the door right now. You know what,

499
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 4: if he did come in the door, we would like

500
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 4: love each other and have the biggest hug in the world.

501
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 4: They just know him a bitch. I can't be a bitch.

502
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: You could be honest about that.

503
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 4: I am. I can be I cracked that way.

504
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of personalities class You may

505
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: you can still love someone and not like even with

506
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: you guys, and then saying personalities class a lot best friends,

507
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: all of you talk every single day.

508
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: But like I always say, you love these guys, you

509
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: hate these guys. Every emotion comes out.

510
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 4: People don't understand.

511
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: It's family, literally family.

512
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: It's with anybody.

513
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: If you're around someone, no matter what, whether you're married

514
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: or your roommates.

515
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: You're always gonna start looking at the negative things.

516
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: Of course, little things will bother you, and they build up,

517
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: and so you want to murder the.

518
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you start harping on the two negative things against

519
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: the five hundred amazing.

520
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: It's like being in a relation. It's the same as

521
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: it's like being in a relationship with somebody.

522
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, oh, really, y'all got fisticuffs.

523
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: We have fisticuffs. Have you guys ever have fisticuffs. Oh yeah,

524
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 4: oh we have fisticuffs.

525
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: Can we talk?

526
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 4: I mean, can we talk?

527
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean for it.

528
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 4: There was one time when Josh he We're at Tommy

529
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: Motola's office in Sony in New York. I'll never forget this.

530
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: We're gonna go meet Tommy. Tommy wants to meet us.

531
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 4: We're in the waiting room, like like here, you know,

532
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: we're in the waiting room and he decides to like

533
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: lose his ship about something. I don't know what it was,

534
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: and he literally like punched, like punched me. It was crazy,

535
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 4: And I looked at him. I was like, I was

536
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 4: so mad.

537
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: I was so curious.

538
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: It was something something happened, but you put his hands

539
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 4: on me at Tommy Mottola's office and then they got

540
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: the call. They're like, Tommy doesn't want to see you

541
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: guys anymore because he saw, you know, he could see

542
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: that we were like fighting.

543
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be hard to bank.

544
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 4: Like got so mad because I wanted to work with

545
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: Tommy Mottola.

546
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: So he turned us down, Okay, But I was.

547
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 4: Like and we and we went up into the hotel

548
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: room afterward, and I knocked on his door and I'm like,

549
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 4: let's go like literally, I walked in this close to him.

550
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 4: He starts crying because he broke up with his girlfriend

551
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: with some bullshit, and I didn't care. That's me. I

552
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: don't care about your feelings. I don't care about any

553
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 4: of that. Like, we had a job to do. If

554
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: you want to fight right now, let's fight right now.

555
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go. And he didn't do it. But

556
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: the thing is, like, I can't believe I'm talking about this.

557
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 4: I probably have to see a therapist about all this stuff.

558
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: But we all need to see you really, I mean,

559
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: I have to go through this.

560
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was just a real moment. And I

561
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 4: looked into his eyes and I saw the vulnerability there.

562
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 4: But I didn't care. I don't we have. When you're

563
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: trying to succeed, your emotions have to like take a

564
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 4: way way back seat, apartmentalized. It was so unprofessional, you know.

565
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people that are that emotional, they just can't

566
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, they don't understand that at all.

567
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: Well for artists.

568
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: So I mean, uh, well, now you switched to Maverick,

569
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: which is Madonna's record label. So you go from Michael

570
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Jackson's label to Madonna's label. Why the switch?

571
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 4: Why or how or both both. Yeah, it's a pretty

572
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 4: big deal. The why was at the time, Sony, you know,

573
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: it's called being shelved, right, they shelved our record, Yes,

574
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: and they were like, oh, we have to put Mandy's out,

575
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: we have to put this record out, we have to

576
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: put this record out before you guys. And apparently Madonna's

577
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: record label found out that that was happening, and they're like, okay,

578
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: well we'll buy you out of that contract and put

579
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: you onto our label and then put you on toward

580
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: Britney Spears at the same time, you know, on top

581
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 4: of it. And we were like and when I got

582
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: that call, I think it was a publicist who called me,

583
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: is that you know, Madonna is considering buying you guys

584
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 4: out and signing her to the I was like, what

585
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: because that's my hero.

586
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh I can I can imagine that.

587
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Michael is like definitely something really honor

588
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: and everything. But Madonna was like a big, really big deal.

589
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 4: And then yeah, we went, you know, went to the

590
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: Maverick offices. We met with Guy Siri and the president

591
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: of the label and they were just so excited.

592
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. So you mentioned you went onto a

593
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Britney Spears. You've also been on to A ninety degrees

594
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: Destiny's Child Aaron Carter, which was your favorite tour?

595
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: My favorite tour, well, of course Brittany, because there's another

596
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: one that I really love, love Brittany. Literally, I literally

597
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: had my tour bus. I had pictures of Brittany, you know,

598
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: against like the little bunk Brittany, photos of her, super

599
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 4: crush on her, so pretty and such a great dancer

600
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: and performer. Yeah, it was definitely Brittany.

601
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a sweetheart. So this was the end of

602
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: the nineties in the beginning of the two thousands. Let's

603
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: talk fashion a little bit, because you are a fashionable man.

604
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: You we were not at all in our group. I

605
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: mean well, according to twenty twenty three, we were fashionable.

606
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Apparently all those.

607
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Things time no listen fun of us. You guys look ridiculous.

608
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh, everyone made fun of what we wore.

609
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there were like the older people making fun

610
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: of it, or maybe we were just so it was

611
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: like the rivers of.

612
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: Maybe we were, because like Abercamie Fitch has come back

613
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: out and all my stuff is that nineties look, and

614
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm like vibe, that's that's what we would wear. Yeah,

615
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: and I always thought it was horrendous.

616
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Well yeah it was a little cookie, but that's but

617
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: you were like pop stars at the time.

618
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: So with you guys, who was the more fashionable one

619
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: who got to decide, Okay, this is what our look's

620
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: going to be. Let's I could have answered that for you.

621
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: That's the question.

622
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: I just met you.

623
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: But I have a feeling you would not let any

624
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: of the other guys lead the look.

625
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: Were you happy with the looks?

626
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Like?

627
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Were you happy with the image that y'all had?

628
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: When we first started, it was all about like, oh, individuality,

629
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: We're doing this kind of spice girl thing where it's

630
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: like you're this thing, you're that thing. And and so

631
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: Danny had like the skater vibe, which is totally him,

632
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: which is great, and then you know, Eric had his vibe,

633
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: and then I had my vibe. But as things kind

634
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: of progressed and that one person I talked about like left,

635
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: I started to take a little bit more of the

636
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: leading role and like kind of like maybe we should

637
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: have like a vibe that we just kind of shared

638
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: with each other. And and then we started kind of

639
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: dressing a little more similarly nice.

640
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: What would you say your fashion was back then, Like,

641
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: is there a style you were going for?

642
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: I'm like you, I think it was horrible. I think

643
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 4: you didn't.

644
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Have to work with back in the late nineties. Okay,

645
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: it was just about flashy.

646
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: It was about kind of like what you have like now,

647
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: like kind of like we wanted things like sparkle. We

648
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: want to I remember what do you call it when

649
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: you like rhinestones?

650
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, dazzling everything machine And I'm literally wearing a dazzled

651
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: shirt right now.

652
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, the dazzle combining like like hard rock things like

653
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: ironic hard rock t shirts.

654
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Planet Hollywood hard rock t shirts.

655
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like things that you wouldn't probably not be

656
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: listening to hard rock.

657
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Not the hotel.

658
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: Oh.

659
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: I think it was like because the hard rock cafe

660
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: shirts were so huge in the nineties, like they were

661
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: opening up one in every city around the world.

662
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: Hollywood.

663
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 4: It's just nineties.

664
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the look.

665
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: It was cute. Yeah, that was the lookies. Nineties two

666
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: thousands was just douche like that was that was the style.

667
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: Now it's super hot.

668
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: Uh, Now you and I have similar you know, experiences

669
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: being closeted while performing in a boy band and and

670
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: a time where it just wasn't accepted. What was your

671
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: experience like and what was what's your advice that the

672
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: label was giving you. Were you ever told like let's

673
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: not talk about our sex life at all or that

674
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: that just doesn't exist.

675
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't exist. We were told to. We had

676
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: to go through media training. Yeah, so basically the things

677
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: that we should could talk or they want us to

678
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: talk about and not talk about. And I just one time,

679
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, am I going to talk about this on

680
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: gues you are all right? We did this show in

681
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: Jersey and it was a big show and I was

682
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: so excited and the label was there, Maverick was there,

683
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: and I wore this really cool I thought it was

684
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: really cool. It was like a kind of Elvis inspired

685
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: black jumpsuit and it was like like like leather but

686
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: pleather and kind of shined and and I just felt

687
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: so hot in this thing. It's like so cool, and

688
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I'm dancing around. I have it like halfway or halfway undone.

689
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: I'm dancing the girls, going crazy everything, And then I

690
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: got a call from management and then like Ricky, you know,

691
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: we have to have a talk with you. The label

692
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: is concerned that you are coming across as two feminine,

693
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: and it broke my heart. I was like, of all

694
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: the people that I want to upset. Yeah, yeah, of

695
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: all the people that I want to offend or whatever,

696
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: the label has a problem.

697
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Which now makes you even deeper into that closet.

698
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it just makes me feel so ashamed. And

699
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: then there was another moment when we were having a

700
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: press conference and it was it was a show for

701
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: all for school kids, like junior high I think justin

702
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: Timberlake was actually there like doing like it's some sort

703
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: of like a speech or whatever, and there were like

704
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: thousands of kids from all over the country coming in

705
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: junior high high school kids, and I was nervous. I

706
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: was so nervous because I didn't go to high school

707
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. So I'm like, well, all these

708
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: school shows we did, I was always like, Oh my gosh,

709
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: how is this going to go?

710
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, But.

711
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: We did this whole thing, and then we had like

712
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: a media event after where like this the school knew

713
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: newspaper people would come and like all the interview us

714
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: and one of the girls was like, Ricky, you know,

715
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: you walk a certain way and you talk a certain way.

716
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: Are you gay? Straight up?

717
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: You were outed by the kid's newspaper.

718
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: That's where all the hard journalists are Turkey.

719
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: Really it was.

720
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean, whatever got you, she got me this girl.

721
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: And the Ronny thing is I had a girlfriend at

722
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: the time and I wasn't like out like that or whatever.

723
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: And I was like, all the people, I mean, Eric

724
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: is actually gay. Why don't you ask him that question?

725
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: Why are you asking me?

726
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: Was Eric out at that time or you just you

727
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: knew he was?

728
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: He was like, I don't really care if they know

729
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: or if they don't.

730
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: It's just so he was out to you guys.

731
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 4: He was out to me and to us.

732
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Well, at least he had someone. That's nice.

733
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: I did, yeah, because when Lance was in the group,

734
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: nobody didn't none of anyone.

735
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: Until he bisexual boys, and that didn't you know in

736
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: the groups. I wish somebody I know honestly, that's not

737
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 4: what I heard.

738
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: But oh real, we need to talk about.

739
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: Mickey Mouse Club era. But we'll talk that about privately. Privately.

740
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, one, I could never look at them in that way,

741
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: so like I've you know, but I feel like I

742
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: would know that justin, Oh god, justin, Oh.

743
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: I did that, especially if like you had the first

744
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: look girls to Brahman here. Yeah, I was into that.

745
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: He was cute. But where were we I digress.

746
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: Trauma when we're talking about how you know, statistically in groups,

747
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, there should be a gay one or at

748
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: least a bisexual one, and there's many that don't have any.

749
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: But again, who knows, We don't know, there's true story,

750
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: they're deep down nobody really anyone.

751
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to be two percent by like I'm

752
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 4: two percent straight?

753
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I would say I'm maybe one

754
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: percent straight because I did date girls.

755
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a girls.

756
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, then I might be five percent then okay, yeah,

757
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: because I had fun and I still do.

758
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I no, I don't know. Yeah, it wasn't my thing.

759
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: We haven't had fun like that alone. No, No, it's

760
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: been a while, been a while, all right. So two

761
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: thousand and one, unfortunately no authority disbands. Uh so what

762
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: ultimately led to this decision? So Joshua was out for

763
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: the Canadian show. Do y'all y'all just went as a

764
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: four for a while or did y'all want to replace?

765
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: We always had four only Oh shoot, okay, three your

766
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: ad to the fourth?

767
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had to find a new member. And that's

768
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 4: when Tommy came in. And he was such a breath

769
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 4: of fresh air because he was so excited. He wasn't

770
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: jaded at all. He was a team player and so

771
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 4: we got along very well and we just started collaborating

772
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: with each other. And because he was cool with me,

773
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: the two other boys used to kind of do whatever

774
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: that other leading person wanted. I'm sorry, guys, it was

775
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: like basically whatever he wanted. They kind of would like this.

776
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: And if I said left, they were like, oh, we're

777
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 4: gonna go we want to go right. So I would

778
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: literally do the opposite. I'm say, okay, I want to

779
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: go right, and they do, No, We're going left, and like,

780
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: that's what I want. I'd have to play games like

781
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: that with these guys, so many mental games. But this

782
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: guy came in, Tommy, and he didn't play any games

783
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: with me. He was just like, I love this, and

784
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: I went out fun and let's let's do this. And

785
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: so the whole vibe of the band changed and it

786
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: became more of a fun experience for all of us.

787
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: And that's when we had our biggest success we had

788
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: Can I Get Your Number on the radio and all

789
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 4: of that. So that was the most fun I had

790
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: was with that before.

791
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it's going great, Like you said,

792
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: can I Get Your Number? Huge hit. What made y'all

793
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: decide not to do music anymore?

794
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: Well, we were going to do another album with the

795
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 4: label with Maverick. There was that that phone call that said,

796
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: you know, basically that Richard wants to have his producers

797
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: to do the record, not the producers that Maverick wanted

798
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: us to work with. And so apparently there's like a

799
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: big blow up. I got the call, you know, A

800
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: and R guy yelling with Richard and Richard yelling, and

801
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: basically I knew, oh god, I think that's the end.

802
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: Oh wow, because it's this big clash ensure enough, they

803
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, we're gonna they dropped us from the label.

804
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: Well that sucks that. It all kind of landed on

805
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: your management, you know, to make that decision. Really was

806
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: there no going straight to the labor and like, okay,

807
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: let's talk about this, let's let's figure this producer out.

808
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but they were he was our you had

809
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: like a contract with him.

810
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: So basically he was your Lou Proman. But did he

811
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: loose Proman yet? Did you did you actually get a

812
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: good deal?

813
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: I wish you would have lo proman me.

814
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: Wait, what does that mean?

815
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 4: God, he made you guys start.

816
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

817
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he made you guys super like. You guys

818
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 4: had maximum talent, I mean, no doubt. But I'm saying, like,

819
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: without that money, without that, I mean, I know, it's

820
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: a really horrible contract. Oh yeah, I'm sure, and I'm

821
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: sure he puts you through a lot. But but our

822
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: guy put us through, sorry, put us through what he

823
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 4: put us through, and didn't necessarily accomplish.

824
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: What the goal.

825
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: Goal ultimate was to have a hit record, And so

826
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 4: I would have preferred that we worked with Maverick and

827
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: let them have a shot at well.

828
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: Of course, Well it's a different time. I mean, if

829
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: you think two thousand and one, that was you know,

830
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: nine to eleven happens, and I think that kills pop

831
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: music for a long time, Like it just entertainment just

832
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: fizzled for a bit, right there. It killed that. So

833
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: you're you're right at that, You're right at the tail

834
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: end of the boy band era kind of you know,

835
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: fizzling out a little bit, which again nine eleven kind

836
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: of put the nail in that coffin. So, yeah, you're

837
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: at a situation where you're like, well, crap, are we

838
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: too late? And I wonder if that was the label,

839
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, we're not even gonna bet on this anymore.

840
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: We've moved on to something different, different genres are taken over.

841
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 4: Well, they didn't mention any of that. They just mentioned yeah,

842
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 4: they of course not, But they did mention the clash.

843
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 4: I mean I heard about the Big clash and it

844
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: was really difficult for me, so crazy difficult because I

845
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: had to go back to my girlfriend and I were

846
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: living in a certain place in sau City. Then we

847
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: had to we to go back my parents. And I

848
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 4: just felt like, oh my god, after living off this

849
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: like crazy high and traveling and everything, and coming back

850
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: to Upland and living with my girlfriend in Upland.

851
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: With my parents, I was just like whoa, Yeah, how

852
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: was that transition?

853
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: Then? Yeah? Then how do you transition then into yours? Yeah?

854
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Like what does what does life look like now? Like

855
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: you're back in Upland, you're living with a girlfriend, Like what,

856
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: like where where do you think you're going from there?

857
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: I was depressed.

858
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I feel like anyone would be depressed.

859
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I started, I started picking up pro tools,

860
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: started producing my own music and you know, playing the

861
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 4: guitar and and started creating just music that was kind

862
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: of like my way of coping with that. And I

863
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: had like other people that I would meet along the way,

864
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: like a dance classes. I met a boy band that

865
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: wanted to produce them to be produced, a Latino boy band,

866
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: and so it was so hot even thinking about them.

867
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: Now a type, many types. I have many types. This

868
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 4: is one of them. And he came over and yeah,

869
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 4: I produced them, and and I just started producing more

870
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: and writing and trying to find my sound and and

871
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: I went through a lot of you know, reinventions because

872
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: people in the industry are like, well, you should do this,

873
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 4: and you should you should do rock and were dickies

874
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 4: and you straight and make sure that people know that

875
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: they have a chance with you. Even now, everybody's like

876
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: you should project yourself a certain way, so you think

877
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: women have a chance. But the ironic thing is they

878
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 4: do have a chance. It's just I'm a little more

879
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: comfortable with who how I am. Anyway, I like this more.

880
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: But bottom line, It was difficult, but I did, you know,

881
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: learn I learned a lot.

882
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: Now, where did Ricky Rebel come from?

883
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: Ricky Rebel? One day I was like, Okay, I'm going

884
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: to create a persona and I'm gonna just open up

885
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: this dictionary and the name's gonna pop out. And I

886
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: literally opened up the dictionary and it was like, ur

887
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: is a rebel. I was like, Oh, that's so my personality.

888
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: I'm quite rebellious. When the industry told me that you

889
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 4: couldn't be gay or whatever, I said, no, I'm gonna

890
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: be who I am. I'm going to be whoever. I

891
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: am going to write a song. I wrote a song

892
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: about it called Boys and Sometimes Girls and at a

893
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: time when it wasn't right to do that, and I'm

894
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 4: gonna go with who I am. I'm going to rebel

895
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 4: against an industry that tells me that I can never

896
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: succeed being open like that. And I decided to do that.

897
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: And that was like my biggest song so far as

898
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: it was a Billboard top forty record, and I'm really

899
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: proud of that because it was something that I produced

900
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: with my own hands. I didn't have Ronnie do it.

901
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: I didn't have some other you know what I mean.

902
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 4: It's something that I manufactured and made and I believed

903
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: in and people have fun when they hear it, they smile,

904
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: and so I'm proud of that record.

905
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would say, you're rebellious

906
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: by supporting our former president, which is a big news

907
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: that you would. You do the Grammys and you do

908
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: a very big fashion statement. Was that the one where

909
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: you bent over and your cheek said impeach this?

910
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

911
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 4: Yes, I did that.

912
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: Okay, when you're going through your mind like okay, what

913
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: am I to wear it to the Grammys right now,

914
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a statement, I am going to

915
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: take my butt cheeks out and write impeach this?

916
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

917
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: Was that just the thought process? Well?

918
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I wanted to do something that was

919
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: funny because I felt like people were trying to be

920
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: too serious about all of this stuff, which now they're

921
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: on maximum seriousness when it comes to politics, which I

922
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: hate that word.

923
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: By the way, I know, and we don't tell politics

924
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: on the show.

925
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, because I'm I've I denounced politics

926
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: now because I did that, and I realize that it's

927
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: very divisive.

928
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, You're never gonna win anyone.

929
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 4: Over anywhere you go, you don't win, and it's like,

930
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 4: that's not who I am.

931
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: Like, But personally, are you still political in your own

932
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: personal life? You still believe in like the conservative values

933
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: and in all that part, I.

934
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 4: Mean there are things that I disagree with, of course,

935
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: and I have I think they're going too far a

936
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: lot of times.

937
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: And why do you think as a gay man people,

938
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: as a man, why do you think it's so controversial

939
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: to support someone like our former president? Oh my god,

940
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: they think it's so controversial.

941
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: I got death threats. Oh my god, it was. It

942
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: was very traumatizing for me to be because that that's

943
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 4: the most quote famous I've ever been, was when I

944
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 4: went to the Grammys and I wore that suit and

945
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: there were people yelling out the paparazzi, I hope your

946
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: babies die. He hates your kind things like that. Gosh,

947
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 4: I don't even know. I don't even know what to

948
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 4: say about the whole thing that The bottom line is, yes,

949
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: I do think the way that I think. But at

950
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 4: the same time, I know in my heart that I'm

951
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: here to make people happy through music, art, dance, and

952
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: fashion and things that I kind of view as superficial,

953
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: but in reality they're not. Art is a very important

954
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: thing for society.

955
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: And so many people are trying to take art away,

956
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: which just because and I understand why a lot some

957
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: people have the reasoning to take art away because it

958
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: expands people's minds. It makes you see other sides of situations.

959
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: So taking arts out of schools, I mean, just limiting

960
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: what books we can put in libraries. What do you

961
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: think about all this art just being destroyed right now?

962
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: That's a no no for me. Free speech is a

963
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: very important thing to me, and it goes both ways

964
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 4: for everybody.

965
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like if you're into if that's what

966
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: you support, then and you support it. You can't pick

967
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: and choose free speeds, right.

968
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: It has to be things that you're uncomfortable with on

969
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: both sides. And that's why when when people try to

970
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: stop that's what At the time, I felt like my

971
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 4: voice was being silenced and I kind of felt like

972
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: I was back in the closet, you know, And I

973
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: felt like like in the boy band, when I couldn't

974
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: say who I really was. I felt like another moment

975
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: like this, I'm like I just had a fight to

976
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: like be who I really am, you know, in this degree,

977
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: and now I have to do it again or I

978
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: felt like I need to do it again, but in

979
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 4: reality you don't. This is like, this is like wisdom

980
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 4: coming from after going through the fire. The wisdom, the

981
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: wisdom is from all of this is that you don't

982
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: have to have an opinion. No, you could be a

983
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: stoic and you don't. I don't have to have an

984
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: opinion on that. I don't have to indulge in this.

985
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: I don't have to talk about it. I don't have

986
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: to be a part of it. And I want to

987
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: talk about my art now. And so I think that

988
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 4: I went really far. Well, people think I'm far right,

989
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: but I'm really not. I'm like center right. But but

990
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: to people who are center right, it's like the to

991
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: somebody who's like far left, or they might they they're

992
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 4: going to say.

993
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: I think the majority of us are center.

994
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: You know, of course, now I mean in terms of

995
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: politics more divide as ever.

996
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: So what I did was I you know, I said

997
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: what I said, I did what I did. I believed,

998
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't like the delivery. I'll say this,

999
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 4: I don't like a lot of the way I did

1000
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: said certain things or did certain things and alienated my audience.

1001
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: That's not cool and that's not something I want to do.

1002
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: But I have fun, I mean writing and peach this

1003
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: and you know, peach my ass, like you know, like

1004
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: this is so stupid. It's just too much fighting. It

1005
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 4: was a total moment. I flipped that chapter way over

1006
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 4: and now I'm like in this really cool space where

1007
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I did something that way. Now I

1008
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: want to show you that I'm actually very liberal. I'm

1009
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: actually very like especially when it comes to like who

1010
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: you choose to love and and expression of who you

1011
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: are and be yourself. I am all about that. And

1012
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: so I wrote a song called Booty Eater. I love

1013
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: how you use your art. I mean really, Okay, that

1014
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: upset that really upsets that whatever that you know, that

1015
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: audience that you know, they're like, you're a trader, you know.

1016
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it don't matter what. Even on this podcast

1017
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: me saying the word ship is there's going to be

1018
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: probably a thousand people out there and be like, no, you.

1019
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: Know, they're over you. It's for that, but it's we're humans,

1020
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: you know, And I don't want I wanted to show

1021
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 4: people that look I'm also very yeah, you know, expressive

1022
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways and very liberal. So this

1023
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: is part of me too.

1024
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're not in a box.

1025
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.

1026
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Before we let you go, we have some fan questions

1027
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: for you. This one is Party Gopez. What's your favorite

1028
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: No Authority memory? The plane ride to Canada.

1029
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 4: My favorite memory was being on tour, on a tour bus.

1030
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: I'll never forget. We're about to perform in front of

1031
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 4: thousands of people with Britney spears. And there was this magazine,

1032
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 4: Billboard magazine, And I opened the Billboard magazine and there

1033
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: was a big write up of No Authority and it

1034
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 4: said that we were the second most added record in

1035
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: the country behind Janet Jackson. So like jan Jackson and

1036
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: then No Authority, that's a framer. It was a framer moment.

1037
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 4: It's like, here i am on a tour bus with

1038
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: all these people and I'm about to perform, and here

1039
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 4: it is that we made this record and you know,

1040
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 4: the second most added behind Janet.

1041
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: That was my That's great. Aaron Agosta would like to

1042
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: know would there be a possible No Authority reunion? And

1043
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: before you answer this, we do make miracles happen. On

1044
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: this show. We have put bands together. Really, we have

1045
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: fixed relationships. So I'm just saying we probably could get

1046
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: the band back together and you and Josh back as

1047
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: best friends. I'm just just put that out there. But

1048
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: would there ever be a possibility without the help of

1049
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: frosted Tips.

1050
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I've told them. I told the boys, I'm like,

1051
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: whenever you're ready, like, but they all have to be

1052
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 4: on board, not just like.

1053
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: Two, well, yeah, you had to put on the work.

1054
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 2: All three, yeah, all three.

1055
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want the whole thing. They all have to

1056
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: want it. But Danny will never ever ever, He's.

1057
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Why do you think Danny, because he's like in dad life.

1058
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: He's in daddy. He's such a daddy being so accused.

1059
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: I get it though, Like with these kids, I'm so

1060
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: glad that I have this radio show because I wouldn't

1061
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: have been able to do the schedule I did with

1062
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: these kids, Like I wouldn't be able to be on

1063
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: a plane four times a week. I would be able

1064
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: to do this, you know, film over here. I'm so

1065
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: happy that I was able to have this little break

1066
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: with these kids.

1067
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: A couple of years.

1068
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first couple. Now it's it'll go a little

1069
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: easier now that they get in school and all that,

1070
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: then I can, you know, do the things I used

1071
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: to do. But yeah, with newborns, it's it's hard. It's

1072
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: hard to go back to work a lot because you

1073
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: don't want to go back to work. I just want

1074
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: to stay here with these kids.

1075
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: You love them.

1076
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 2: The best.

1077
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: Do you ever want to have kids?

1078
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 4: Well, I have two kids now, No you do not.

1079
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I didn't know you had kids.

1080
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 4: I went of rag dogs.

1081
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 2: I was about to say I knew it, like I missed.

1082
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1083
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, coons are the best cats.

1084
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 4: My husband loves the macoon.

1085
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely allergic to cats. But if I had

1086
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: a cat, it would.

1087
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 4: Get a main coon.

1088
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1089
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the biggest one I could find. Oh yeah,

1090
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: big hair that like the g one.

1091
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Speaker 2: It's a majestic animal.

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Speaker 1: And they just look scary in the face sometimes, like

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Speaker 1: are you gonna rip my face off?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: They have this kind of tighter thing. Love it, love it, babe.

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Speaker 1: You need to get a shot. We need to get

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Speaker 1: cat and get you a shot. Okay, all right, they

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Speaker 1: make cat yeah they do.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Actually, and what music are.

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Speaker 1: You listening to right now? Can you give us some suggestions,

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00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: even if it's older music now whatever, oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Anybody you're liking.

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Speaker 4: I just stick with the classics, Like I love the Weekend.

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Speaker 4: I like the cloud you did with Madonna. I thought

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Speaker 4: that was pretty cool. Yeah, just the Weekend Right now,

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty obsessed with I'm writing my own record right now.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of it's like a sex album. It's called

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00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: Fantasy Control. So when will we hear that it's coming out,

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00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 4: like by the end of the month. It's the new single.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of depeche Mode rock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The whole record is just exploring, like I'm doing my

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Speaker 4: sex album, like getting it out of the way, Like

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Speaker 4: I promise mom, once I get this out, I can

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Speaker 4: make like about nicorns your pop music forever and ever

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Speaker 4: and ever to the day I die.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much for being on the show.

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Speaker 1: Rick It was so great to get to know you.

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Speaker 1: How can everyone stay in touch with you out there?

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Speaker 4: Everybody you can find me Ricky rebbelrocks dot com and

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Speaker 4: I'm Ricky Rubbel Rocks on all the platforms waat rocks.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. That's so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that is all the show we have

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Speaker 1: I think, so Turkey, Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: here as always, and everyone be good to each other

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Speaker 1: out there. Don't drink and drive, take care of those animals,

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Speaker 1: and remember stay frosted. Hey, thanks for listening. Follow us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at Frosted Tips with Lance and Michael Turchinart

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Speaker 1: and at lance bast for all your pop culture needs

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Speaker 3: five stars six if you can see you next time