WEBVTT - |FULL POD| Southeast Division Preview & Kurt Helin!

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of The Heat Check, we finish our

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Conference preview with the IKEA of Divisions, the Southeast

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<v Speaker 1>Division worse than the IKEA of Divisions actually like IKEA's

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<v Speaker 1>coffee tables. You know, they try to pretend like there would,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually just made out of cardboard that's been

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<v Speaker 1>like disintegrated and packed into like some glue form. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it is the IKEA Divisions. We're looking at Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Look, Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Washington Wizards. We also have a great interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Kurt Healing from NBC Sports to prepare you for

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<v Speaker 1>all the things about the new season. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>loaded show. Welcome, let's get into it. William drop that

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<v Speaker 1>generic gas beat that should be reh.

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<v Speaker 2>Honest breaking down all the biggest NBA storylines.

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<v Speaker 3>Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 2>The Heat Check was just a CRA's the best podcast

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<v Speaker 2>covering all the drama around the association.

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<v Speaker 1>Our final preview Southeast Division. I'd like to say last,

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<v Speaker 1>but not least. We saved the best for last, but

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't. I waited as long as I possibly could

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this shitty ass division. The yellow starburst

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<v Speaker 1>of NBA divisions is the Southeast. It's like the candy

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<v Speaker 1>corn in the Halloween Bowl, whereas like nobody wants this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sticking to everything else. You can't get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They put it on sale for nine to nine cents

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<v Speaker 1>for an entire pound at your local Fred Myers. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get into it anyway because there's still NBA

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<v Speaker 1>teams here that we have to cover. That's how much

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<v Speaker 1>I love you. I want to talk about other things

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<v Speaker 1>the tea, like the Chicago Bulls players meeting only first

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<v Speaker 1>game of the season has to get waxed by the

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<v Speaker 1>Okase thunder. But no, no, sir, we must fulfill our commitments,

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<v Speaker 1>and we start with the Atlanta Hawks. Key additions. They

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<v Speaker 1>get Kobe Buffin in the draft out of Michigan. They

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<v Speaker 1>get Patty Mills from free agency. What is Patty Mills

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<v Speaker 1>doing there? By the way, what the fuck? Why? First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, aren't you ready to retire? And second of all,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you want to be with that dog shit organization? Subtractions.

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<v Speaker 1>John Collins Finally, he's been in the news trade rumors

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<v Speaker 1>so long. Finally happened. He gets himself into a better situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations to John Collins. Anyway, we move forward about the Hawks.

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<v Speaker 1>So though last year the Hawks imploded, they fired their

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<v Speaker 1>coach of the deadline, they went out and hired a

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<v Speaker 1>coach midway through the season in Quinn Snyder for so

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<v Speaker 1>much money, all the money. Spectacularly, also fired their GM,

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<v Speaker 1>hired a whole new front office. Remember then they tried

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<v Speaker 1>to say the GM wasn't really fired, he was just

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<v Speaker 1>in an advisory role. Now I mean they fired him

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<v Speaker 1>and he just kept him on site on step. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Schlank. Now he's working for the Washington Wizards, part

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<v Speaker 1>of the same same sort of umbrella, yellow starburst. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll move forward. The explanation of hiring Quinn Snyder and

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<v Speaker 1>then not waiting out the year was just so that

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<v Speaker 1>Snyder could assess, he could wait and see what he had.

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<v Speaker 1>He could get a head start for this season. And

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<v Speaker 1>he found out pretty early that this old John Collins

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Young thing it's not working. It's never gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>John Collins doesn't like Trey Young. So this summer they

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<v Speaker 1>sent out John Collins the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay

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<v Speaker 1>and his second round pick. Remember they were at one

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<v Speaker 1>point I refusing to trade John Collins unless they got

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<v Speaker 1>multiple first round picks for him back That was a

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<v Speaker 1>real article. Those were the real news rumors. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't get that first round pick for him, and

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<v Speaker 1>now they got a dirty muffin which was Rudy Gay

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<v Speaker 1>and his second round pick. They turned down much better

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<v Speaker 1>packages for him in the past. I like where John

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<v Speaker 1>Collins landed for a team that was pretty trash. Last year,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hawks didn't really do much. They're still trying to

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<v Speaker 1>roll out this whole Dejontey Murray and Trey Young experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>I preferred to Jontay Murray. They add Patty Mills and

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe Buffkin. Neither are going to be very much factors.

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<v Speaker 1>This team is going to fall again on whether Dejonte

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<v Speaker 1>and Trey could play together. And I don't know, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I like DeAndre Hunter a lot. I am not sure

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<v Speaker 1>honestly if this roster makes any sense. They refused to

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<v Speaker 1>extend Sidik Bay, which they traded for, which means he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably getting moved at the deadline or they'll lose him

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<v Speaker 1>for nothing. We're looking at a starting five of Clint Capella,

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<v Speaker 1>who looked horrible in their opening game. He's been rumored

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<v Speaker 1>to be traded for the last sixteen months, Trey Young,

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<v Speaker 1>de Jontey Murray just signed an extension, DeAndre hurt Hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>and bog Don Bogdanovic. Does anybody think that this team

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna win their division? No, this is a team

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<v Speaker 1>that went to the Eastern Conference finals. Does anyone actually

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<v Speaker 1>like this team? The Washington Wizards circle Atlanta on their calendars, like, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the game. That's the game we low manage stars for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the game we low manage Jordan Pool for. They're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna probably win forty forty two games. They're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a playing team as like a twelve seed? Was it seven, eight, nine, ten?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a ten seed? Ten seed? It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>so many damn teams get in. This is the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of team really is like wins the NBA in season

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<v Speaker 1>tournament and they just call that season his success because

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<v Speaker 1>the owner's son is now running the team, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know how that whole thing goes. And then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have another mediocres to season and Quinn Snyder will have

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<v Speaker 1>to decide whether Trey Young can be on this team

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<v Speaker 1>any longer in order for them to move on and succeed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he'll get to the point where he

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<v Speaker 1>realizes maybe he's been the problem the whole time. We

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<v Speaker 1>move forward another team in this division. My vote for

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<v Speaker 1>the team that had the absolutely worst off season by far,

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<v Speaker 1>by far was the Miami Heat. How do you go

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<v Speaker 1>to the finals and still have the worst off season

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<v Speaker 1>of anyone? Love their draft picks, Haimi Hawkez love him,

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<v Speaker 1>you end up getting Thomas Bryant. Don't hate it, Josh Richardson,

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<v Speaker 1>you pick him up. That's terrible, John. I might be

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the Josh Richardson dis fan club, like

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<v Speaker 1>the non fan club like. I don't hate him as

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<v Speaker 1>a person. He is not a piece. Though he is

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<v Speaker 1>not a piece. I would have rather they got Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>than Josh Richardson. That's not a lie. They lose Max Struz,

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<v Speaker 1>who by the way, had seven threes for the Caves

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<v Speaker 1>the other night, just loading up buckets after buckets. They

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<v Speaker 1>lose Gabe Vincent. They lose Victor Oladipa. They were just waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew they were getting Damian Lillar, didn't they. They

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<v Speaker 1>just knew they were getting Dame. They thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>getting Bradley Beal for a song. This team could have

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<v Speaker 1>had Dame brad Beal, Jimmy Butler, bam Adebayo. Jesus, what

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<v Speaker 1>are they doing? Pat Riley? Pat Riley, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to say other than he just doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend money. He's done, he's decided, like the Chicago Bulls,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna put together a good product and in the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs we'll see. But I'm not gonna go into the

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<v Speaker 1>luxury tags for a thirty something star who's gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>like sixty five million dollars next year. They lost out

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<v Speaker 1>on Bradley Beal, who was his first choice, was going

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<v Speaker 1>to Miami. Even this week. Something came out where he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I thought it was a done deal, and

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, they did not want to make a move.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the no trade clause, Bradley, It's the no trade clause,

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<v Speaker 1>and they dragged their feet. No clue what happened. I

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened. You know what happened, pat Riley. Happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to basically get another star for free and

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<v Speaker 1>have Bradley Beal wave his no trade clause, and instead

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley Burele goes to Phoenix for basically nothing. Literally, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like what how many? Like a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of second round picks? And Beale is still like, how

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<v Speaker 1>did I end up in Phoenix? I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>this happened. It wasn't even on my board. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even register as a team for me to go to. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they lose Dame because they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>make a real offer. What did that leave them thinking

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they could get into the Drew Holiday Sweepstakes? But

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<v Speaker 1>by then it was like Portland's I don't call us

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<v Speaker 1>lose our number. Then now they're thinking maybe they can

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<v Speaker 1>get into the Heart and Sweep steaks because Harden is

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<v Speaker 1>now opening up the possibilities of trade partners for Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>He just wants to compete, doesn't matter if he's in La.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a disaster. Their backup plan, Kelly Oubre went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sixers. Then Jannis, who was their backup, backup, backup plan,

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<v Speaker 1>just signed a massive three year extension. All they can

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<v Speaker 1>hope for now is Joel Embiid. That's it. I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>pat Riley is coming to a close of what he's

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<v Speaker 1>willing to do in terms of his aggressiveness. They find

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<v Speaker 1>these guys out of the bottom of the barrel. They

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<v Speaker 1>want these role players who can contribute with very little

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<v Speaker 1>money attached to them, and that helps them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with their financial situation. That's fine, but ultimately that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to do when you are a championship

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<v Speaker 1>caliber franchise. He's a junk ball pitcher now, pat Riley,

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<v Speaker 1>his command has failed. The Heat were three minutes from

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<v Speaker 1>getting bounced last year in the player and then what

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<v Speaker 1>do they do? They said, well, well, just instead of

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<v Speaker 1>using that data to make our decision, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>use the data that's less likely, which is the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we went to the finals and then you lose

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<v Speaker 1>two guys that were on the team that were key contributors.

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<v Speaker 1>What do I like about this team? Obviously Jimmy Butler,

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<v Speaker 1>He's fucking beast. He's one of my favorite players in

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<v Speaker 1>the league. I love bam Adebayo. Those two are enough

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot for you in a postseason. Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>hero is an absolute bucket. He's like the white Anthony Simons.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to be able to get your buckets from

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<v Speaker 1>the perimeter. He's going to probably have a chip on

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<v Speaker 1>his shoulder and Chuck I don't know eighteen times a game.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been rumored to be in every trade Miami's ever had. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>he deleted Miami from his Instagram. Remember, at one point

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<v Speaker 1>this beach could probably revenge season for Tyler Hero. Duncan

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson I think is back into the rotation. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they hate him less because he proved himself when Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Hero was out. In the playoffs, they're starting guards though,

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<v Speaker 1>are Kyle Lowry and Caleb Martin. This is a bad team, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a bad team. This is the same team

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<v Speaker 1>as last year, only worse. If Heimi Hawkaz doesn't produce

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<v Speaker 1>or Nikola Yovich, who was a healthy scratch last night

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't produce ah and they don't make the playoffs, I

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<v Speaker 1>would not be shocked if they don't make the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone else except for Atlanta got better in their division

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<v Speaker 1>and they got worse. It's Mas school, folks. They are

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<v Speaker 1>taking a downturn. The biggest asset that the Heat have

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously Eric Spolstra. He continues to make gold out

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<v Speaker 1>of garbage, so I would be also not shocked if

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<v Speaker 1>they made the finals again. Best case scenario is playing,

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<v Speaker 1>but you never know what's gonna happen when you get

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Butler in the postseason, the heat though, or a

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<v Speaker 1>team in decline. I am not ruining for them. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not feel like they are a team that you

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<v Speaker 1>can believe in, and pat Riley must take the blame.

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<v Speaker 1>We now take our attention to the Orlando Magic. You

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<v Speaker 1>know it's bad, right, You know it's bad when the

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<v Speaker 1>one bright spot of your division is Orlando Magic. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where we're at. The Orlando Magic are the best team

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<v Speaker 1>potentially in this dog shit division. Key additions Anthony Black,

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<v Speaker 1>Jet Howard, Joe Ingles Key subtraction Bowl Bull. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the only team in modern memory with ten guards on

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty men roster. That's this is insane. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're doing. Even guys that were rumored to

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<v Speaker 1>be traded, like Cole Anthony just signed a three year,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine million dollar extension in the draft. They went

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<v Speaker 1>out and got I don't know, two more guards just

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<v Speaker 1>for safe measure. Anthony Black, he's not really in the rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>Jet Howard not really in the rotation. We're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let him sit there and marinate like good chicken. You

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<v Speaker 1>go with markl Foltz and Gary Harris and Jalen Suggs

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<v Speaker 1>and Caleb Houston and Kevon Harris and trevl and Queen.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the picture, folks. A lot of guards, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guards. But I think that kind of diminishes

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<v Speaker 1>how good this roster can be. Polo ban Caro will

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<v Speaker 1>come off of the Rookie of the Year season that

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<v Speaker 1>he had and he's gonna even be better. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he could legitimately, once he finds his stride, he could

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<v Speaker 1>average twenty five points a season a game. Franz Wagner,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he could be most improved player this year.

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<v Speaker 1>He was incredible in World Cup play, leading Germany to

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<v Speaker 1>a gold medal, but also they were undefeated, and I

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<v Speaker 1>like Markel Foltz. I like Cole Anthony to lead this

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<v Speaker 1>group of guards, which means I think the Magic are

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna have a very very deep team, twelve fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>guys in a game. They should be fresher than a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of teams. What is their upside, that's the question.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a playing team. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a team that could legitimately win the division. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a sneaky playoff team. The Magic in March. From

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<v Speaker 1>March on were five hundred, So I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be going forward. I really do. The nice

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<v Speaker 1>part though, of the magic is I think they have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pieces that they can make some moves

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<v Speaker 1>if they wanted to. At the deadline. They have enough assets.

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<v Speaker 1>You could probably package Anthony Black. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>teams that would like a six to seven guard. You

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<v Speaker 1>have draft capital, you have young players. You can get

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<v Speaker 1>probably anything you want. You can probably get Pascal sa

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<v Speaker 1>Uckham if you want it. You got a starting five

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<v Speaker 1>of Wendell Carter, Franz Wagner, marcl Foltz, Paolo and Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Suggs with Cole Anthony first man off the bench. What

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<v Speaker 1>you need, or what they need, is veteran leadership. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why Malcolm I think Malcolm Rognen really makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense for them. Do a deal with Portland Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>do a deal. We could use some wings. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot, get us window. They also have Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac there, who's supposed to be good when he's healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>You need somebody, probably with veteran mentorship who can slow

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<v Speaker 1>these guards down. Do they need another guard? Probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>They could actually use a guy like Jeremy Grant. Do

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with Portland, Orlando, do a deal with Portland.

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<v Speaker 1>I like these Magic I think they have a very

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<v Speaker 1>bright future. I think they win forty to forty four games.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to chop it up with the Charlotte Hornets.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gross, just a team that has a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>issues culturally with that roster. You've had some turnover, You've

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<v Speaker 1>had a lack of turnover with players you probably should

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<v Speaker 1>have turned over. Key Losses, Kelly oubre Kai Jones, the Mahollick,

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Smith junior, Key additions Brendan Miller in the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Smith Junior who I like in the draft. Miles

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<v Speaker 1>Bridges signs his contract officially announced. That's the one where

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<v Speaker 1>you wonder, why is this man still on the roster?

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<v Speaker 1>LaMelo Ball agrees to a multi year extension. Frank Nilikina

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<v Speaker 1>signed an extension. PJ. Washington agreed to an extension. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know what to make of this team. Sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>things that they do in this franchise in general just

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<v Speaker 1>leave me speechless. Why why you ask? Just why? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me count the ways?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So instead of cutting ties with Miles Bridges when

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<v Speaker 1>they had the chance. I don't know, in like the

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<v Speaker 1>last ten months, you re sign him and then guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>you resign him and he breaks his probation and is

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<v Speaker 1>accused of domestic violence once again, throwing pool balls at

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend's car window while his babies are in the car. Shocking,

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<v Speaker 1>shocking stuff from Miles Bridges. I tell you the Hornets,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they can't just get out of

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<v Speaker 1>their own way. Michael Jordan has sold his majority share

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<v Speaker 1>at the franchise. The team has a chance to draft

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<v Speaker 1>a once in a generation player, which is Scoot Henderson,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet you pass on him for Brandon Miller, who

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, also has his own off the court issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Has struggled that summer League. Isn't some guy that you

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<v Speaker 1>think can immediately respond as a franchise altering player. He

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<v Speaker 1>just gets named I think a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even less, in a wrongful death suit. Kaya Jones'

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<v Speaker 1>former first round draft pick ig lived himself out of

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<v Speaker 1>the league. Half of Twitter joked that this team was

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<v Speaker 1>going to sign Kevin Porter Junior. That's how bad things

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<v Speaker 1>are in Charlotte is that people think you're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>the disastrously wrong move when given the chance. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you have left? You got LaMelo five years, two sixty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar extension. I think he's worth it. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>a great point guard surrounded by a sea of toxic mididity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>toxic mididity. I said it. A bunch of mid guys

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<v Speaker 1>who are toxic. Miles Bridges. I like PJ. Washington. He's

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<v Speaker 1>just been at the wrong place in the wrong time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was the last major free agent to sign,

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<v Speaker 1>and he found almost no interest anywhere else for the price,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is is weird because he's a good piece.

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<v Speaker 1>I like him. A lot three for forty eight is

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<v Speaker 1>very good deal. I like Mark Williams. He's a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little p had him last year sophomore season. He's already

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<v Speaker 1>snatched blocking people. Gordon Hayward. Is he gonna be healthy?

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Rozier, does he even want to be there? You

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<v Speaker 1>lost Kelly Ubre, which I mean, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>was such a huge loss. Dennis Smith Junior. No one

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<v Speaker 1>knows who can reliably hit a three pointer on this team. Besides,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know Terry Rozier. This is just not a

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<v Speaker 1>good roster folks. This has got flashes of excitement, but

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<v Speaker 1>not a team that you want to watch on a

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<v Speaker 1>night to night basis. They'll sneak up, they'll win some

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<v Speaker 1>games when you're not watching right, They'll beat a team

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<v Speaker 1>that you have no idea how they beat. They'll beat

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<v Speaker 1>the box on a Wednesday. That's what they'll do. But

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<v Speaker 1>short of a rebuild, I can't see how this team

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<v Speaker 1>gets better anytime soon. We end our preview with the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Wizards, who I think are my pick for the

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<v Speaker 1>worst team in the NBA. I watched him last night

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<v Speaker 1>the whole game played the Indiana Pacers. The Indiana Pacers

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<v Speaker 1>blew hm out by like twenty. Key additions Jordan Poole

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<v Speaker 1>in the trade, Tias Jones, who I love, Balao Kulibali

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<v Speaker 1>who they got in the draft, and Landry Shaman who's

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<v Speaker 1>in street clothes in game one. So that tells you

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<v Speaker 1>everything you need to know. Key subtractions Bradley Beal, Poor Zingis,

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<v Speaker 1>and Monty Morris. The Wizards are gonna be bad, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be I don't know even what the plan

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<v Speaker 1>is because you've got guys like Pool and Tias Jones

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<v Speaker 1>who are grown who are in the middle of them

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<v Speaker 1>of their career, and that's not changing, right. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the team you want to be rebuilding around. You blew

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<v Speaker 1>up the bridge, you get rid of Porzingis and beale

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<v Speaker 1>your two max players for a boatload of picks and

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<v Speaker 1>some interesting players. So that's not bad. This team, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna lose. They're the East Coast in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the equivalent amount of games lost. I don't think a

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<v Speaker 1>team is gonna be as bad as them, except for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the Portland Trailblazers. A lot of games losing. You

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<v Speaker 1>add Jordan Pool, which means you're gonna be chucking a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Poole went zero for six from three last night.

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<v Speaker 1>My man Kyle Kusman put up twenty five, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was chucking. We already saw that. Denny Abdya is pissed

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<v Speaker 1>off at how little these guys want to pass him

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, just casually launching thirty footer after thirty footer

0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.040
<v Speaker 1>four seconds into the shot clock. That, of course, is

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<v Speaker 1>the Jordan Poole experience, so get used to that. What

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<v Speaker 1>is left on this roster. They got Patrick Baldwin Junior

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.200
<v Speaker 1>from the Warriors, a nice little piece I like Danilo Gallinari,

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<v Speaker 1>Danilo Gallinari. If you're a better he's gonna be putting

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<v Speaker 1>up ten fifteen points a game. I think he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be looking to get moved at the deadline. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Landry Sham is terrible. Tyus Jones is a good piece.

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<v Speaker 1>He is. I like COO's Coos. I just don't know

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the team. I like ballall Coolibali a lot, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new baby. He's a rookie. Over the next

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<v Speaker 1>three years, Washington has four first and five seconds. They

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<v Speaker 1>can gain even more draft capital by moving guys like Jones, Gallinari,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Gafford, deln Wright. Maybe they're good in twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Until then, enjoy Jordan Poole chuckin eighteen shots a game.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're in for a big treat. We got Kurt

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<v Speaker 1>Healing on. Kurt is the blogger in chief of Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Basketball Talk dot com, but also nbcsports dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>the managing editor in NBC. We had a wide ranging interview.

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<v Speaker 1>It touched on a lot of inner storylines that come

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<v Speaker 1>up for the season. So let's get into it. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, my man, Kurt Healin, lead NBA Rider

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<v Speaker 1>managing editor NBC Sports dot Com, just one of the

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<v Speaker 1>I would say more honest guys in their assessments of

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening around the NBA. I've got a ton of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot developing, and we could spend all day,

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<v Speaker 1>but I figured I would call it down to the

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 1>teams that I personally am the most interested in based

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<v Speaker 1>on what we saw opening night, but also some of

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<v Speaker 1>the sleeper teams too. So I am really intrigued by Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a team that could potentially break the

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<v Speaker 1>mentality of the super team right being dead. And Bradley

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Beal obviously is a guy that they got for absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>They made moves at in the summer with Nurkic, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is super interesting, got a lot of depth.

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<v Speaker 1>They get a bunch of guys from the Blazers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think when they went to Chase last night or

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday night, we were wondering how they would look

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<v Speaker 1>against a team that has largely been a contender anytime

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<v Speaker 1>Steph is healthy. So the thing that stuck out to

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<v Speaker 1>me was Devin Booker. You watch him and it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like he was the best player on the floor pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the entire night thirty two six and eight one steal,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was with Steph doing you know, Steph things.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Devin Booker is a legit MVP candidate

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<v Speaker 1>if he plays on a team that Kevin Durant plays on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be hard to be MVP with Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Durant sitting there because unless he does this like every night.

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<v Speaker 2>But Durant was cold shooting, and by the way, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>not named Booker like great put up numbers, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was like eight of twenty and everybody else was just

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<v Speaker 2>ice cold for both teams.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it solidifies his all NBA spot. Probably. I

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<v Speaker 3>picked the Suns to go to the finals. I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I am, I'm big on them. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that they're like, I don't think they're there right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, even though they you know, they got a nice

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<v Speaker 2>win the other night, and they got some promising signs

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.439
<v Speaker 2>because you had I got questions about Nurkic and his

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<v Speaker 2>health and whatever, but he looked pretty good in the opener.

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I got questions about like Josha Kogie, but he's hitting

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<v Speaker 2>key corner threes and making plays. So I just think

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of eighty two and maybe with a

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<v Speaker 2>move at the deadline, a smaller move like a role

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<v Speaker 2>playery move.

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<v Speaker 3>The question isn't the top end.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is like depth defense all that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think they'll figure it out. But I still think, look

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<v Speaker 2>as much as Booker's going to stand out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it'd be hard. You're just hard pressed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do that against next to Kevin Durant, who wasn't great

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<v Speaker 2>in that first game. But you you know, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>like we all know, like there was a big Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Durant stretch coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, he always produces, and that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>know he's going to be able to do. The Bradley

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<v Speaker 1>Beal thing is weird. I wondered why how he ends

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<v Speaker 1>up recovering and rehabbing all offseason and then we don't

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>see him with back spasms, especially with this NBA new

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 1>rule about load management. Obviously that's not load's management. Is

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Bradley Bule's help a concern or a factor for you

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<v Speaker 1>at all in terms of you thinking that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a finals team, I don't really.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the only way to judge of preseason is

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<v Speaker 2>to say a team is healthy unless proven, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>I think Kawhi Leonard is going to play eighty two games.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not right, Like I think.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to safely say no, But I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>presume going into the season that he's healthy for the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs or you start playing a really random game, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to assume that he's healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's with his history and Kevin Durant's history,

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<v Speaker 2>it is absolutely one of the things that can derail

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<v Speaker 2>the Suns. It is a legitimate concern that he's not

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<v Speaker 2>there opening night, but you're right, it's it's not load management.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, just between you and me, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>how many guys are gonna have like we're gonna take

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 2>our time bringing Freemont Green back from this ankle thing.

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Because we can get him a little rest.

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Right now, we get like the guys are gonna go

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 2>down with these injuries all season long that are just

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>rest nights.

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 1>So you think there's gonna be manipulating of that, then yeah.

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the league says they're gonna come in, But it's

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the thing about the NBA, and frankly, you know anybody

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:28.920
<v Speaker 2>watching who's an NFL fan.

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 3>By week what three?

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Any guy in the NFL can take a week off

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.880
<v Speaker 2>for an injury if they want to, right, like they're

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>all they've all got enough bumps and bruises whatever. The

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>NBA is pretty much that way a month into the season,

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 2>like everybody's got knee tendonitis or their achilles aches a

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit, whatever it is. There's all sorts of things

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:50.880
<v Speaker 2>that you can come up with to get a guy

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.719
<v Speaker 2>a night off if they really want to. It's not

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna be hard. And I'm really curious to see how

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that shakes out with the new league rule on sixty

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 2>five games to get your you know, to be eligible

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>for end of season awards, and like, i think we're

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna see a whole lot of guys play sixty six games.

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and just because the line is sixty five in

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>order to get all a NBA and MVP and all

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>these awards. Eric Gordon was really good in that game.

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 1>He didn't produce offensively, but he was still like plus

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>whenever he was on the floor. I think he was

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>a huge pickup. Not a lot of people are talking

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>about him. Utah Wattonabe obviously came over just because he

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 1>wanted to play with Kevin Durant. I'm curious from your

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>perspective and what you see who is that number one

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>X factor role player that you think is gonna bring

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the Suns over the top to get them to the

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 1>finals and beat a team like Denver.

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Eric Gordon's gonna have a big role. I kind of

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's a Kogi just because they're gonna need his defense.

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 2>They're going to need somebody out. I mean, he's got

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 2>to be offensively good enough to stay on the floor,

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 2>but ultimately, I mean, Kevin Durant's a pretty good defender

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>when he is geared up for it and wants to be,

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>but he's not going to do it over eighty time.

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Nurkic is a big body in the middle.

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>They don't have a lot of great defenders, and it's

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 2>on a very defensive minded coach and Frank Fogel to

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 2>find a way to get enough defense out of this team.

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Playing a lot of drop coverage with the big body

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>of Nurkici, I imagine. But I think a Kogie comes clear,

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 2>and then I think you're right. I think Eric Gordon

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>is the one guy on that bench right now going

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 2>into the season like, yeah, he's going to be rock

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>solid for eighty two. He's going to be rock solid

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>for the Final sixteen. You know in the playoffs, he's

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 2>not the guy I'm worried about. They just need, you know,

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 2>who are the other guys to step up?

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Really?

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they've just got to find at the end

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:35.959
<v Speaker 2>of the day, don't you. Basically you got to get

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to a seven man rotation you trust by April.

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 3>And my guess is they get there. But we'll see.

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Are you sleeping on Denver? Like tell me the truth,

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>because I feel you're kind of doing what everyone's doing

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>right now, which is like, oh, they lost Jeff Green,

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>they lost Bruce Brown, who will come in and save

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 1>them off the bench? And last night Opening Night, it

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>really didn't even matter. Reggie Jackson looked like he was

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.159
<v Speaker 1>that guy. But I mean it was spread all the

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>way through. Everybody was producing, and they still scored over

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty points and it was like not

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of bench production.

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I felt like Game five of the Western Conference Finals

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>from last year, didn't it look just like It's like

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just a continuation of what we saw. I thought

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>their bench played okay too. Christian Brown was a Brown.

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't call him Braun because it's Christian Brown. Christian

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Brown that's he played really well. I thought that they're

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>bench in general. Reggie Jackson. You can count on Reggie

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Jackson for some points, a few highlights on some trash talk.

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 3>I think their bench isn't bad. I don't. I just do.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I trust it as much as Bruce Brown. I just

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>let's put this away. I think they're very, very good.

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I think they're the bar for the entire NBA. If

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>your Phoenix or Frankly, if you're Boston or Milwaukee or

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>any other team with championship designs, you got to be

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>better than Nikola Yoki, Jamal Murray and Denver. And at

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, maybe nobody is. I just

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>got a feeling somebody's gonna pass them this year, and

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>we'll see. I think they will miss Bruce Brown in

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the Platts as much as I like Christian Brown and

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody else.

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Like Bruce Brown was huge in the postseason.

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>But you can't blame the man for go get the bag.

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, they don't got it for you in Denver.

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>You gotta go get it. And by the way, I

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 2>like the Pacers too.

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Love the Pacers, love what they're doing. We'll definitely hit

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>on that. I think Nikola j could actually win the

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>MVP again. If that's oh, that sounds crazy because he

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>he had three assists at halftime something like that, still

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>finished with eleven, and it feels like maybe more aggressive

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>offensively than he's been to start the year. He was

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>just bullying Ad down in the post. It was come

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and stop me. I'm going into the paint. I'm going

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to score every time if I want, I'll grab my

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>own put back and get the points as well. So

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it feels like maybe there's even another level production wise

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>from a points perspective than Nicolekic was even doing the

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>year before when he won MVP two years ago or

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the year before that, or even last year when MB

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>won it. What are you seeing or what did you

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>see from him? Did you see what I saw?

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's really become good at that at And I

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>think that's interesting because we were talking earlier like, hey,

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the Sons go get use of Nurkic in play it

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>out in place of the issues they had with another

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 2>big body guy in DeAndre Ay. But I think if

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at the West and you want to get

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>through the West, one of your questions has to be, hey,

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>how do we how do we match up with him?

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>How do we even slow him? And Anthony Davis last

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 2>year I think was as good or better a defender,

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>probably the best defender in the playoffs. He was phenomenal,

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and Jokic just destroyed him and and then did it again,

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and like, you've got to have one of those big bodies.

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if again, I think with the Suns, did

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>they get Nurkic thinking back, thinking we've got to have

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.719
<v Speaker 2>somebody to put a body on him, who's somewhat more

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 2>If he can just stay healthy, he's decision making and

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>just iq R off the charts.

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing that just hey, all right, I can

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>go through Anthony.

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Davis and get mine. Oh they've adjusted the defense. I'm

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>going to keep finding guys. I mean, I think the

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>most telling play of the game was late. It's actually

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I think the play he got the triple double assist

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>on you just set.

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 3>A pick for Jamal Murray.

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Jamal Murray was hot, so both defenders kind of went

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to him. He went to the little Draymond Green short roll,

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>got the ball at the free throw line, saw the

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>defense start to rotate, and just whipped it to MPJ

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>in the corner wide open three.

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 3>It was like, I don't know how you.

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Defend the team when they're playing like that and all

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>those guys are cooking.

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it makes it feel like the role players

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>don't even matter, right, like you, Yes, starting five can

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>do what they did. I mean they absolutely gassed Ad.

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Nicola Jokic turned Ad into an absolute zero in the

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>second half. He's getting crushed on first take, he's getting

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>crushed on social media. I actually like, fine with it.

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can really take anything from AD's

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>lack of production in the second half because he's tasked

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>with guarding a guy who's decided he's going to score

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty thirteen and eleven or whatever it was, right, Like, so,

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>do you think that was unfair criticism?

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Not as much, just because Anthony David, Look what you

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>saw from Lebron is what you get from Lebron right now, right,

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get.

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Thirty minutes to night out of him.

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>It would have been thirty if they had garbage time

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 2>the last minute and a half thirty minutes tonight and

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>he was plus seven. He put up numbers, But the

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, if this Laker team is going

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 2>to go where they want to go. Anthony Davis has

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to be elite. He has to be on both ends.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>He has to be this high level All NBA player.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And one of the issues has long been good game,

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 2>bad game, good half, bad half, which we saw last night.

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it's all on him, because Trista,

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I hope you are passionate about and believe in something

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>in your life. As much as D'Angel Russell believes in

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>his shot, he's going to take it regardless. But and

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they got Anthony Davis the ball. And

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 2>he had all these ISOs and posts up in the

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>first half, he just literally wasn't getting them.

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 3>But he's also got to demand those. He's got to

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 3>take charge.

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.479
<v Speaker 2>He's got to like you don't see him be like

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>not getting the ball after a while, Like no, get

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the guy the ball. He's got to show up every night.

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 2>It's the only it's the only way they can be

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>where they want to be.

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I took him for MVP. He was my pick for

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>MVP as a sleeper at forty to one, and that

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that just did not just did not line up with

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>what I was expecting. I also thought he could have

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a legit to chance to if he didn't win MVP,

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>to be one of the defensive Player of the Year.

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Cans how he is, that's how he is when he's healthy,

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a disappointing first game against really a

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>team that you know you have to go against to

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>get through to the finals. I'm curious about a couple

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of dudes, though, Why sign someone like Christian Wood and

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Cam Reddish when those guys have clearly, throughout the course

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of their career been not locker room cancers, but certainly

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>cultural negatives.

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Because you have Lebron James. I think it's literally it.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>It's just that's the Lebron James locker room. That's He's

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>going to set the tone. He's not going to put

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>up with guys who aren't focused. So I think there's

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 2>a sense of like you can get away with that

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.439
<v Speaker 2>when Lebron's on your team in a way with there

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe a couple other guys in the league, but there's

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>not many who can set that tone. And the other part,

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>especially in Christian well actually both those cases, Christian who's

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>better than a minimum contract player. Yez, whatever I think

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>of him, Like, why I might talk myself out of

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:40.479
<v Speaker 2>wanting him on my team.

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 3>He gets buckets.

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 2>He is better than a minimum contract, and if I

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 2>can get him for a year at the minimum, then

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I've got to take that because that's still a really

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 2>good deal. And another guy that, Hey, depending on the situation,

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 2>you might be able to throw into a trade later

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 2>as an enticing piece because some other team knows he's

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 2>more valuable than that too.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude, I was so high on this Lakers and

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't even like the Lakers as a Portland Trailboizer fan.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, this to be a team who

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 1>is like top three in the West, and if you're

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>not getting production out of your team without Lebron on

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.479
<v Speaker 1>the floor, this this could honestly be a seventh seed.

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Again, I think the West is so bunched up that

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>after look, Denver's Denver Phoenix, not just last night. I

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>just Phoenix is gonna win a ton of regular season

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 2>games because they have Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Bradley Beal and they're just they're gonna outscore teams. I

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>think they're one to two in whatever order after that.

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Three through frankly twelve are teams that think they should

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>be in the playoffs and it's not gonna be this

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>huge difference, and that's what's gonna make the West wild.

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I don't have Utah in the playoffs, dude,

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>they still got John Collins and and Laurie marking in

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.959
<v Speaker 2>and like we're good last year and surprised people.

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 3>The Kings. Everybody's kind of sleeping on the Kings a

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 3>little bit. I agree, they're gonna score. They're not gonna

0:35:58.719 --> 0:35:59.280
<v Speaker 3>stop anybody.

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna score a ton of points and be tough

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>to be Like, so, I think three through out of

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the post, you know, missing the play in out West

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 2>is everything's in play for those teams, and the Lakers

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>can't afford to get caught in the middle of that

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and try to be breaking out mid season because it's

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna be It's gonna be tough. Minnesota's good every and

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>even look, I think the bad teams, Houston.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 1>Pretty good, pretty good.

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>They've got Fred Vanfleet and Dalen Brooks and Jared Jalen

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Green is gonna be good, and Jabari Junior looked awesome

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 2>at Summer League. And the Spurs are gonna suck except

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>man Wenby and Devin Bisel are gonna be entertaining and

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna win a few games, because like there's just

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be off nights in the West, except maybe

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 2>against Lasers.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it's so bad. We're I don't even

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>really know what that team is doing. I like the

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Dame trade a lot. Yeah, but I'm very curious why

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>holding on to Malcolm Brogden and Williams are a thing.

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that I can think of is that

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>they they're waiting for a team that needs them at

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the deadline, and they think that they can extract more

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>value from them in January than they can in September.

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Is that kind of what you think is happening.

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 2>To I might even put Jeremy Grant in that list. Yes, yeah,

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I think all those guys, look you're rebuilding right now,

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 2>are on Scoot and Anthony Simons, who are, by the way,

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>going to be entertaining, Like it's gonna be a good show.

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>But I think everybody not those two guys is available.

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm curious. I'm really curious to see how DeAndre

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Ayton fits with them and in a system where he

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>gets some of the freedom and touches he wants probably

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't going to get his option number four

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.359
<v Speaker 2>in Phoenix even last year. I mean, it's just better

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 2>options than him down there. But you know, hey, he'll

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>get he'll get more looks up there. So they're going

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>to be a fun, interesting team and they're not going

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to be a pushover. There's you know, I don't think

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>they're the worst team in the league. I was gonna

0:37:58.000 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>say there is the Wizards.

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Wizards going to be a tough watch too. Ty I

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 1>love Tyus Jones, So I'm I'm very curious how they're

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be building that roster. Let's talk about this sixer

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>team though, because they are right on the brink, dude,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:16.439
<v Speaker 1>they are on the brink of a full scale roster meltdown.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>The only player that I think is safe is Tyrese Maxi.

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I think everyone else could potentially either both on their

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 1>own or get kicked out the door. Now, we got

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>James Harden coming back to Philly past opening night and

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, we don't want you traveling with the team.

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean, I don't want you traveling with

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the team. Does that mean that a deal is imminent

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 1>or does that mean that we don't want you around

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>our players muddying the water and poisoning the well.

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 2>More that more more the distraction, right like, and just

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>if he's there, then is he making things messy and

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>harder and just being just him on the trip and being.

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 3>On the bench, who's going to lead to questions?

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 2>And so I think they think it's just better they

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>go from they play in for people who don't know,

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 2>they play in Milwaukee opening night, and then uh Toronto

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 2>two nights later before going back home. I think that

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>he won't play in either of those games. And that

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.399
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean I'll just say I doesn't mean.

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>To trade as imminent.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>My people I've talked to and people out with closer

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to the Clippers have been like, the offers the offer.

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that changes if they get ten games into the

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>season and think, oh crap, like we got to do

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe then Terrence Man or a second pick or whatever goes.

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Into the deal.

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.879
<v Speaker 2>But right now they've got the Clippers have a lot

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 2>more to think about too, just because if you trade

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>for James Harden, who's going to be a free agency,

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 2>you kind of got to lock him up and then

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you could extend Kawhi Leonard and Paul George a couple

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>of years and hey, do you want more?

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 3>Do you want three more years of those guys as

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 3>your core?

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:55.959
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I just don't think they're that eager. It's there.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>They're walking a weird line because they move into a

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 2>new building next year, and they're not going to want

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 2>to move a rebuilding team into a new building. But

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the path they're on is not sustainable.

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure what happens, but they're they're unlikely

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 2>in the short term to up their offers.

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 3>So the bottom line, it's really fucking up.

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>They fucked up letting Shae Yogis Alexander go, and I

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's got to be the most egregiously bad decision

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>an NBA team, in hindsight. Has made a young player

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.839
<v Speaker 1>not even close to his peak, who's now legit he's

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a first team All NBA guy, and you let him

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 1>go because Kawhi wanted Paul George.

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 2>When they let him go, I'll tell you that people

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>with the Clippers were not happy, but they didn't see this.

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>What they said was, man, she's going to be an

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 2>All Star somebody. He's gonna make a few All Star teams.

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be pretty. He's gonna be good. They didn't

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 2>see Shae being this good.

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>You like the secers this year with Nick Nurse, are

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you buying into his system?

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they're good. I think with or without Harden,

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I think they're a good team that finishes. I don't

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>even want to say top three, top five, top six

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>for sure in the East.

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 3>Like, I think they're a good team.

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm higher on Cleveland than everybody else, but really if yeah,

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>but if if they finished you know, third, fourth, fifth,

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you know, I think that that's they're good.

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to see them in the playoffs

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>if he beat is healthy, like they're gonna be a

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:29.359
<v Speaker 2>tough out. I think tyreech Maxi's gonna be fantastic this year.

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Like that's a good team. It's just the two teams

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 2>that if the goal is to win a championship. I

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know what you do because I don't even know

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 2>with hard What do you think Tristan with Harden, do

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 2>they compete with Boston and Milwaukee?

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I mean, unless you're getting what

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you got from Harden in those good games where he's

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>putting up forty. Yeah, but you have to have that

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 1>every game. You need that. They had the chance to

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>beat Boston, right, and they probably should have if they

0:41:56.239 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have collassed. So they're they're like close ish. But

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 1>now you've got another year of Harden declining and he's

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 1>He's not someone that was ever really reliable in the postseason.

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Joel Embie's never been healthy in a postseason in his

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>entire career. He's always dealing with something strange or a

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 1>bone fracture, ankle, knee. It's like a mister, you know,

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like operation over there. And now you have a

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 1>new coach. I'm just very suspicious in general about the

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>ability for a team to really compete Milwaukee, included with

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a brand new head coach. I'm moving forward to teams

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that you're the most excited about, teams that did not

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs last year that you think are legit

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>playoff teams this year.

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 2>We mentioned one. I'm just really high on the Pacers.

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that the Indiana Pacers are taking a step forward.

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Part of that is Tyrese Haliburton was already kind of

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.319
<v Speaker 2>taking that step as one of the best passers and

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 2>facilitators in the league.

0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 3>They play fast.

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I thought they underachieved last year, but their offseason edition

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of Bruce Brown. What they lacked was point of attack,

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 2>defense and somebody basically who could fill a role like that.

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 3>They've got plenty of shooting. They got Buddy Heal.

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I love Miles Turner, and I may not agree with

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 2>his self assessment of being a top five center in

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the league, but he is a very good center.

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they make top six or if

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 3>they get in through.

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>The plan, but I think this is a playoff team

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>that's going to surprise a lot of people and continue

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 2>to surprise a lot of people because they're like never

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 2>on national television. That's probably the team I'm highest on

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:32.959
<v Speaker 2>that missed the playoffs last year.

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Does that mean then that because I actually love him too,

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>because I think they're very deep. Because you've got Jerris Walker.

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Who was looked great.

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>He most great at Summer League. Just look like the best,

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>most dominant man on the floor, can do so many

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>different things. He just had that thing that popped off

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>while popped off the court while you watched him. Yeah,

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and then you add him to a team with already

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>as Miles Turner, and you Obi Toppin and you've got

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Bennett Matherin taking another step right, and so I'm super

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>excited about them. Is that then meaning that Rick Carlile

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>could maybe win Coach of the Year.

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 3>It's funny.

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I when I was putting up predictions for Coach of

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.879
<v Speaker 2>the Year and I picked bicker Staff just because I'm

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 2>again like I'm high on the calves. I thought about it,

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, guys, don't really love Rick Carlisle quickly

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>with the media who votes? So like, even if he

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 2>does the job and deserves the nomination, deserves the award, Like,

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.439
<v Speaker 2>how many media members are gonna be like sleep Rick

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Carlisle give it him that award?

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>What do you expect from wemby.

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 3>MVP thirty eight points?

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Does that n reasonable?

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I think though he could be an MVP candidate earlier

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>than anyone even imagine.

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.959
<v Speaker 2>I think rookie again, it's the Spurs. They're gonna slow

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>play this. They are not gonna They're not gonna make

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the big mistake. Too many teams make.

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Of like, hey, this guy's really good, let's jumping in

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 3>the process. Well, no, let's trades.

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 2>For a bunch of veterans. Let's try to win now,

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like the Spurs are not going to do that. They're

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 2>going to take some lumps. But I still think he's

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 2>eighteen and eight this year is like not out of

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the question with like two one of the borderline, if

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>not all defensive team level play out of the gate.

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's again with him probably getting some rest nights

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 2>or nights off. Because the jump from Europe to college,

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't think people could people can really grasp like

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 2>playing forty games a night, forty games a season, low

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 2>forties if you count a deep run in the NCAA

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 2>tournament eighty two game regulars. He said, like the jump

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>is just ridiculous, and the war a terearor is ridiculous.

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 2>In Europe, you play two games a week. It's just

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the travel. The travel isn't as bad because you're just

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 2>traveling around France.

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 3>In his case, if.

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 2>He's going to get some nights off, but that said,

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>by year three, that would I like, that's not crazy,

0:45:58.400 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 2>depending on where the team is.

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>He's rookie of the Year, do you.

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 2>I did a podcast in a couple of videos up

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>at NBC with Drew Dinsik, who's our betting analyst. Yeah,

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Drew's Roy Ward was. Every other bet in this

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>category is dead money. It's just as much as I

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.240
<v Speaker 2>could try to make a case for why Chet Holmgren

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 2>might because he's playing more meaningful minutes on a playoff

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 2>team like we talked about with a thunder and is

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>exactly what they need facing the floor and defense in

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<v Speaker 2>the paint. Like as good as that is, I still

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't bet on it. Like I still I still just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's it's Wemby's to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. Finally, team that did make the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>last year that will not make the playoffs this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say the Clippers, but Miami's. Miami's a possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>but it would involve Jimmy. Jimmy Butler's too good if

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<v Speaker 2>he plays, even as I know he likes to say

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<v Speaker 2>he has said to you to everyone, playoff Jimmy is

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<v Speaker 2>not a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not yet. It is like he definitely is better

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<v Speaker 3>in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>That said, if he feels the pressure like in that,

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<v Speaker 2>like he can crank it up in the East is

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 2>in his deep.

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<v Speaker 3>But if he.

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<v Speaker 2>Misses a chunk of games for whatever reason, I mean,

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.919
<v Speaker 2>you're there, didn't it feel like they built their whole

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 2>offseason around getting They just expected to get Lillard, and

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 2>when that didn't happen, they expected to get Drew or

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:24.359
<v Speaker 2>somebody else, and nobody fills that gap. And you can

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.439
<v Speaker 2>sort of replace Gabe and you do get and Max

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Struce by the way, and who Love Who I Love

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland is a fit. Those aren't like individually huge losses,

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<v Speaker 2>but together it's just yeah, I can make I could

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>see them falling, but I don't know if they were

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<v Speaker 2>on the edge of that last year. They were trailing

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<v Speaker 2>the balls hundering in the fourth quarter of the playing

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 2>games if I remember that, probably playing a second playing game,

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<v Speaker 2>so like they came that close last year, So it's possible.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the Clippers.

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 1>You're right, the Clippers could very easily fall out too.

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a team where it could look like one of

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<v Speaker 2>those bad, old silent movie cars where everything just falls apart,

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<v Speaker 2>like like absolutely happen to them. The whole wheels could

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>come off this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, before I let you run, give me your

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<v Speaker 1>finals projection on Day one of the NBA season and

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<v Speaker 1>your champion.

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<v Speaker 2>The Orlando Magic over the Houston No, I really think

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna come from one of four teams. So I

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:18.359
<v Speaker 2>went with Boston over Phoenix in the finals. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>Boston as your champions, and I think they're the one team.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, if one team is gonna click, it's

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 2>all gonna come together. They're gonna win sixty five games

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 2>in steamroll of the league.

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<v Speaker 3>It's them.

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I just I think Boston could be very, very good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have Boston beating Phoenix in the finals. If

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 2>you told me it was either Denver or Milwaukee or

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>in that mix.

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Elan, thanks so much. It's always a pleasure. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to have you back on more. Lead NBA writer

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<v Speaker 1>and managing editor nbcsports dot Com. This man is always

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 1>giving us some nuggets, some facts. We'll have to have

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you on BENMGM tonight as well soon.

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 3>I look forward to it. Man. Thanks brother, Take care.

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