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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to give credit to Bill Maher for being willing

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Speaker 2: He had a dinner with Kid Rock at the in

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Speaker 2: Oval Office as well. And I want to play some

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Speaker 2: and I think what Bill maher is saying here is

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Speaker 2: either listening to Trump on this program or other programs

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Speaker 2: over the last decade. I believe the number is that

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Speaker 2: I have been involved in interviewing Trump, either by myself

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Speaker 2: like I know Trump fairly well at this point. We've

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Speaker 2: talked to him for hours on this program during the

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Speaker 2: course of the last four years. And what Bill Maher

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Speaker 2: is saying is what I have found to be true

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Speaker 2: of Trump in private. He's an incredibly likable, charismatic guy

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Speaker 2: who frankly feels kind of like a grandpa when I

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Speaker 2: have been around him. And let's listen to a couple

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Speaker 2: of these cuts. He also has and I think this

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Speaker 2: is important, a pretty good sense of humor. He's actually very,

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Speaker 2: very funny, and most of his critics don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Here's billmar saying he showed up with a list of

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Speaker 2: insults that Trump had called him, and Trump autographed it

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Speaker 2: for him, which is incredible.

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Speaker 3: Listened to cut fifteen Before I.

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Speaker 4: Left for the Capitol. I had my staff collect and

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Speaker 4: print out this list of almost sixteen different insulting epithets

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Speaker 4: that the President has said about me, things like stupid, dummy,

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Speaker 4: low life, dummy, sleeves, bag, sick said, stone cold crazy,

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Speaker 4: really a dumb guy, fired like a dog, his show

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Speaker 4: is dead.

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Speaker 3: It was sixty.

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Speaker 4: I brought this to the White House because I wanted

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Speaker 4: him to sign.

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Speaker 3: It, which he did, which he did with good humor.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I mean, this is how it should be.

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Speaker 2: I talked about the Taylor Lorenz. Oh he's a morally

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Speaker 2: good man. That's not how it should be. How it

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Speaker 2: should be is people can disagree, sometimes they might even

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Speaker 2: say mean things, but when they meet face to face

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Speaker 2: they behave like adults. And most of the time I

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Speaker 2: are more likely to like them, particularly when it's someone

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Speaker 2: like Donald Trump that is actually very likable. We've said

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Speaker 2: on this program for a long time. Look, you can

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Speaker 2: disagree with his policies. I am one hundred percent of

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Speaker 2: the opinion that you can look at Trump's policies and

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Speaker 2: you can say I hate the terrif ideas. You can say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I think we should have free and wide open borders.

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Speaker 2: You can say police are too empowered, or he's taking

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Speaker 2: too much executive authority. I don't agree with those arguments,

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Speaker 2: but I think you can make those arguments and be

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Speaker 2: a rational, normal human being. What you can't say is

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Speaker 2: he's Hitler. He is not in any way remotely similar

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Speaker 2: to Adolf Hitler. Disagree with his policies, attacking him personally

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Speaker 2: is absurd. And what I have said for some time is,

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Speaker 2: and I bet what Bill Maher now recognizes. Trump is

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Speaker 2: an energy person. Whatever energy you give to him, he

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Speaker 3: I've said this.

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Speaker 2: Before I met Trump for the first time in person

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Speaker 2: Bill maher like kind of built this mountain of Trump

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Speaker 2: he had to go out and tell his audience on Friday. Actually,

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Speaker 2: we had a phenomenal dinner and Trump was incredible. Here

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Speaker 2: is Bill maher on meeting Trump cut sixteen.

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Speaker 3: He laughs just for starters, he laughs.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does,

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Speaker 4: including it himself, and it's not fake. Believe me, as

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Speaker 4: Example, in the Over Office, he was showing me the

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Speaker 3: Go through the trap door.

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Speaker 4: But no, he laughed.

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Speaker 3: He got it.

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Speaker 2: He has a really good sense of humor. He's also

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Speaker 2: insanely self aware. Some of you may have seen me

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Speaker 2: on Fox and Friends over the weekend. I'll take feedback.

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Speaker 2: By the way, eight hundred two two eight a two.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what my mom said in a moment,

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Speaker 2: get bullied for humanizing Trump. Every comedian by and large

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Speaker 2: unfortunate because if you go back and watch Trump on

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Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live, he has a great sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump would have been really good on Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's tons of things that kids will say,

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Speaker 2: He said, Dad, he said, yeah, said you have old hands.

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Speaker 2: And it's that puncturing right, And I'll play you a

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Speaker 4: He said, you know, I've heard from a lot of

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Speaker 2: Again, I encourage as many of these outreaches as Trump

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Speaker 2: Many politicians, I would say, are fake because they're desperate.

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Speaker 2: They feel like if they pretend to be something, that

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Speaker 1: You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and

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Speaker 6: We've got Kirk Cameron joining us. He wants to talk

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Speaker 3: Kirk, welcome on the show. Love your work.

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Speaker 6: As you know, we are all big fans, going back

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Speaker 6: for a long time and Brave. Tell everybody about Brave

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we could talk about that. We're so sad about

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Speaker 5: This woke garbage, people don't want to be a part

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Speaker 7: So that's why I'm leaning into the new mister Rogers

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Speaker 7: Iggy and Mister Kirk. It's a beautiful kids show that

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Speaker 7: I sure hope that people are waking up and that

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Speaker 7: be a content creator. You don't have to be in

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Speaker 7: Hollywood under the contractor WITHIG Studio.

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Speaker 5: You can have your own show.

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Speaker 7: You can be you know, And that's what people are doing.

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Speaker 7: And in Nashville and the surrounding areas, there's so many creatives.

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Speaker 7: There's so many people who are promoting so many good things.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the Daily Wire folks.

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Speaker 5: Are right up here. If you like the Daily Wire.

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Speaker 7: There's so many countries thing but also so many faith

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Speaker 7: based operations, movie makers like the Irwin Brothers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dave Ramsey's right out here. You've got Chris Stapleton

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Speaker 5: right down the road. You've got I mean, it's just

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Speaker 5: it's it's weird.

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Speaker 7: You walk into the grocery store and uh, you know

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Speaker 7: there's Carrie Underwood.

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Speaker 5: Uh you know, in in in in in.

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Speaker 7: The cereal aisle, and and you end up having these

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Speaker 7: really cool conversations with a lot of people, and by

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Speaker 7: and large, people are wanting to get back to those

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Speaker 7: kinds of Americana, pro family, pro country, pro god messages.

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Speaker 5: No no, no, nobody's perfect, No place is perfect. You know.

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Speaker 5: They they've got a they've got.

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Speaker 7: An acute taste for whiskey out here in Tennessee, and

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Speaker 7: it's good whiskey, and that can lead to uh, a

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Speaker 7: lot of problems for for people in the entertainment industry.

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Speaker 5: But that's gonna be true everywhere. I'm thankful that we're here.

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Speaker 7: I missed the California sunshine, but I really love the

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Speaker 7: people in Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: We're talking to Kirk Cameron, well know Kirk Cameron. He's

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Speaker 6: got Brave, a streaming streaming channel, creative stuff for kids. Kirk,

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Speaker 6: and I know that creating our own stuff is a

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Speaker 6: very important part of all of this. I know that

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Speaker 6: that's something that has been happening. You're doing that with

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Speaker 6: Brave and the streaming service. I'm also, though, curious the

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Speaker 6: degree to which the winds have shifted enough that maybe

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Speaker 6: now conversations with some of the very established players in

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Speaker 6: the entertainment space. You know, basically, do you think there

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Speaker 6: were a place now different than we were even a

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Speaker 6: year ago where maybe you could go to Disney executive

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Speaker 6: and say, hey, I'm Kirk Cameron. I know how to

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Speaker 6: do this stuff. Let's make a series that all kids

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Speaker 6: of all races and religions and you know, people have

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Speaker 6: different backgrounds, et cetera, we'll just enjoy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that. I think that is possible. And

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Speaker 5: with with the.

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Speaker 7: Success of shows that the big student is never thought

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Speaker 7: would do anything. For example, the Chosen, that's become a

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Speaker 7: cultural phenomenon. I mean, that's just that's that's everywhere now

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Speaker 7: and it's in the theater, it's.

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Speaker 5: On streaming services. You know.

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Speaker 7: They they they broke away and now they're doing their

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Speaker 7: own thing, and everybody wishes that they could do what

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Speaker 7: the Chosen did.

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Speaker 5: And this is about the life of Jesus and his friends.

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Speaker 5: I mean, who would have thunk.

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Speaker 7: But but now they're realizing, uh, maybe we missed something here,

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Speaker 7: and so people want to make money.

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Speaker 5: I don't think at the very heart.

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Speaker 7: Of the leadership of these big companies, you know, Disney

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Speaker 7: or or or those that fund them. I remember seeing

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Speaker 7: a video with Larry I think as if I got

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Speaker 7: the right guy.

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Speaker 5: If I got the whack Rock black Rock, Yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And there was a video and they were just talking

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Speaker 7: about Target and you know, you know, is Target's gonna

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Speaker 7: come around to to to really listen to their customers

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Speaker 7: and that they don't want trans bathing suits for their

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Speaker 7: five year olds.

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Speaker 5: And ultimately he was saying that, you know, targeting.

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Speaker 7: These big companies, they're not operating just off of the

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Speaker 7: profits from the from the customers. They're actually operating off

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Speaker 7: of these giant funds that give them capital. And there's

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Speaker 7: politicians who are funding the funds, who are winning based

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Speaker 7: off of political ideology, and they're forcing them to stick

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Speaker 7: with that ideology or lose their capital. So it gets

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Speaker 7: like layered, and you know, goes way up into areas

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Speaker 7: that I'm not all that familiar with, but who knows.

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Speaker 7: I don't think we should wait around for Disney and

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Speaker 7: other big places to answer the clue phone. I think we,

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Speaker 7: as moms and dads and as good citizens need to

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Speaker 7: understand that this isn't China where we have a dictator

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Speaker 7: and a few of their friends make everything happen. I

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Speaker 7: think this is the United States of America, where we

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Speaker 7: have a representative government that should represent our values, and

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Speaker 7: the way they figure those values out is by watching

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Speaker 7: how we do things at the grassroots level, and we

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Speaker 7: hold them accountable.

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Speaker 5: Once we do that, now we.

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Speaker 7: Can start making our own our own schools, our own companies,

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Speaker 7: our own everything.

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Speaker 5: And that's that's what I see happening, and I'm really

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Speaker 5: excited about that.

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Speaker 2: Kirk, you're a student of media and entertainment, and obviously

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Speaker 2: you're having a lot of success with what you're building.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Walt Disney would think if he

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Speaker 2: looked back at the Disney Corporation now that he put

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Speaker 2: his heart and soul into found What do you think

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Speaker 2: his reaction would be to the modern corporation?

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Speaker 7: You know, I was just watching some reaction videos of

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Speaker 7: Joe Rogan reacting to something, or John Stewart reacting to something,

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Speaker 7: and wouldn't that be a great reaction video. Yeah, Walt

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Speaker 7: Disney reacting to snow White today. I mean, he would

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Speaker 7: lose his mind because you know, I don't know the

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Speaker 7: man personally, but certainly the branding for Walt Disney and

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Speaker 7: Walt Disney World and Disneyland, where I grew up going

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Speaker 7: it should be the happiest place on Earth's Earth.

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Speaker 5: And I think it Disney today would make him cry

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Speaker 5: because it's I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Back in the day, I think you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the man put his heart in Soule. He mortgaged his

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Speaker 2: house to be able to make the nineteen thirty seven

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Speaker 2: Walt Disney Snow White movie, and he built his entire

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Speaker 2: career on to your point, Kirk, trying to make Disney

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Speaker 2: the happiest place on Earth. And I think they've totally

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Speaker 2: destroyed the brand that he built, and I would think

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Speaker 2: it would make him sick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And if we're not careful, you know, because we we

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Speaker 7: who have have good values have gotten out of places

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Speaker 7: of leadership in Hollywood, in Washington, d C. You know, politics, education,

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Speaker 7: We've outsourced that stuff to other people.

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Speaker 5: People with lesser ideas are really.

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Speaker 7: Not just destroying a brand like Disney, but destroying the

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Speaker 7: whole concept of those who gave us this country. And

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Speaker 7: when do you go back to the founding fathers and

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Speaker 7: the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.

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Speaker 7: These are revolutionary ideas that brought more freedom, more opportunity,

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Speaker 7: more blessing to the world. And now we've got kids

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Speaker 7: growing up thinking that the United States of America is

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Speaker 7: about white supremacy. They have a completely wrong understanding of

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Speaker 7: things because of the propaganda that's being foisted on them

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Speaker 7: in these places of leadership and culture shaping institutions. So

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Speaker 7: if we do love this country, if we do love

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Speaker 7: the values that it's built on, if we really think

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Speaker 7: that those values lead to blessing, and we need more

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Speaker 7: stuff like mister Rogers, and we need stuff like Iggy

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Speaker 7: and mister Kirk and companies like Brave Books, then we

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Speaker 7: need to support them. We need to get behind them,

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Speaker 7: and we need to start making more of them.

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Speaker 6: How do folks go to Brave to stream some shows

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Speaker 6: for their kids that you're working on and I have

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Speaker 6: created Kirk.

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Speaker 7: Just download the Brave Plus app on your smart TV.

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Speaker 7: Just download the app, it's called Brave Plus, and you

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Speaker 7: can watch the first three episodes of my new kids

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Speaker 7: TV show, Iggy Mister Kirk for free, and then if

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Speaker 7: you want to see the other twenty episodes We've got

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Speaker 7: two full seasons already, complete episodes on forgiveness and teaching

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Speaker 7: your kids about kindness, compassion, overcoming your fears, working together

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Speaker 7: as a team, faithfulness. Then you can just subscribe and

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Speaker 7: there's over fifty shows for kids, including old classics like

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Speaker 7: Bob the Builder, Strawberry Shortcake. Again, these are for little

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Speaker 7: kids four to eight years old, and then new shows

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Speaker 7: like Iggy and Mister.

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Speaker 6: Kirk wonderful Kirk. Appreciate you, sir, thanks for being here

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Speaker 6: with us.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate both of you, guys, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All right,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting teed off on a lot of people, a

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Speaker 2: variety of different perspectives. Let's let them tea off. Houston

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Speaker 2: listener Angela somehow buck led me over the middle asking

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Speaker 2: me the difference between square dancing and line dancing. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't have any idea what it was, and Angela,

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Speaker 2: she's not happy.

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Speaker 8: Let's listen, Hey, guys, Angela from Houston, love you guys,

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Speaker 8: love your show. Listen daily. Okay, gentlemen, the difference between

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Speaker 8: square dancing and line dancing is square dancing is with

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Speaker 8: the partner. Line dancing is all on your own. And

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Speaker 8: I'm shamed that you being in Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Do you not know that?

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Speaker 3: Have a great day, boys, Thank you, Angela. I deserve

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Speaker 3: to be shamed for it. I did. She explained it

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Speaker 3: very easily. That makes total kind.

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Speaker 6: Of pulling your kind of pulled in your Tennessee card.

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Speaker 6: You're getting your Tennessee card suspended there, mister Nashville.

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Speaker 2: I know, born and raised here. I don't have a

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Speaker 2: good excuse. I don't have a good excuse for not knowing.

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Speaker 5: Eric.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I asked this question of Kirk Cameron, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, if you had told me, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cameron is just going to come on the show

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Speaker 2: every now and then when I was watching Growing Pains

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Speaker 2: back in the day, I would have been like, no way.

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Speaker 2: I mean I love that show. Eric in Wisconsin says

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Speaker 2: he's got family. His uncle worked directly for the Disney brothers,

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Speaker 2: Walt and Roy. Walt was the creative Roy was the

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Speaker 2: business side of that studio. Eric, what did you want

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Speaker 2: to fill us in on?

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Speaker 9: Well, hey, gentlemen, it's great to be on your show.

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Speaker 9: And yes, my uncle. He didn't work directly with Walt.

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Speaker 9: He worked with Roy, but he knew well personally, and

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Speaker 9: you knew Roy. And these were very kind and gentlemen,

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Speaker 9: just like my uncle. And my uncle's been passed away

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Speaker 9: for a number of years, but and working directly with them,

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Speaker 9: he has told me what they were like. And there's

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Speaker 9: just no doubt in anybody's mind who knows what they're

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Speaker 9: talking about, that these men would be turning over in

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Speaker 9: their grips right now if they saw what happened to

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Speaker 9: their company. And it's just it's terrible. It's terrible to watch.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your feedback, and I think that's definitely true.

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Speaker 2: Wide variety of topics. People went a weigh in and

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Speaker 2: Mary in South Carolina, what you got for.

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Speaker 10: Us Hyde, gentlemen. Great to be on your show. Hey,

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Speaker 10: I wanted to comment on the suv, the short women

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Speaker 10: driving in SUVs, and the square dancing thing. I am

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Speaker 10: also a five foot two women and driving some version

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Speaker 10: of an suv or twelve passenger van for the last

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Speaker 10: thirty years. And the secret is or the tip is

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Speaker 10: that hood ornament or that middle mound in the hood

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Speaker 10: that lines up with the curb or the shoulder line,

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Speaker 10: or just the side of the road if you're going

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Speaker 10: through a narrow part of traffic.

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Speaker 2: By the way, do you I'm sorry to cut you off,

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Speaker 2: but are you like my wife? For people who are

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Speaker 2: five two driving big SUVs, this is like a major

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Speaker 2: issue that nobody talks about. Like, you guys have legit

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Speaker 2: trouble seeing over the hood?

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Speaker 10: Well, oh absolutely, you can't see over the hood. The

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Speaker 10: women at church used to chuckle every time they see

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Speaker 10: me get out of the suburban.

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Speaker 3: Hey care beer, how tall are you? And Buck telling

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Speaker 3: and his wife to see by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, five three so basically the same size. But has

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Speaker 2: she ever driven It's got to be a suburban. It's

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Speaker 2: got to be an escalade, one of these big, big suv.

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Speaker 2: When you have a bunch of kids, I'll get not

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Speaker 2: gonna be able to drive all of a sudden