1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, when you're a 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: child is on a playground or a ball filled or 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: a park, you can watch them. If some perv comes 4 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: up to them, you can totally tackle them at the 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: knees and take them down right. But the new playground, 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: the knew ball filled, the new park is on line 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: and it's not so easy. Don't be a victim fighting 8 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: back against America's crime wave. It took me over two 9 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: years to research and write this book for you, for 10 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: you and your children. My proceeds are going to the 11 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: National Center for Missing Unexploited Children, and that's not what 12 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: this book is about. This book is to help you 13 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: to arm you with knowledge to save your life or 14 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: your children's lives. I go straight into cyber threats to 15 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: protect your children, first of all, take a list of 16 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: to this well. On New Year'sday two thousand and two, 17 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, I walked outside to meet this 18 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: person who I thought was my friend. Just than giving 19 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: him for a couple of minutes, I really think I 20 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: just wanted to say him, well, he show up, say hi. 21 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Driving through tone. What she does remember is slipping out 22 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: of her front door into the bitter coal of January 23 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: night my intuition and said, Alicia, you need to go home. 24 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: This is really dangerous. What are you doing? And I 25 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: went to turn around and I heard my name being called. 26 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: The next thing I knew was in a car and 27 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: this man was squeezing my hand so tightly, and he 28 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: was barking commands at me, be good, be quiet. The 29 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: trunks cleaned out for you. He drove me about five 30 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: hours from my Pittsburgh home to his house in Virginia, 31 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: where I was held captive in his basement dungeon. He 32 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: kept me chained to the floor by a locking dog 33 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: collar and I was reaped and beaten and tortured. I 34 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: wasn't fed, and he also broke my nose. At the time, 35 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: Alicia was just a little girl, but she survived and 36 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: she's joining us today. She was targeted by a cyber 37 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: child predator. With me an all star panel to break 38 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. How can 39 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: you keep your children safe from a threat you can't 40 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: even see? With me, Alicia kozy Kevitz, you can find 41 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: her at Alicia kozat with kay dot com to Tanya Jordan. 42 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: She is a CMO chief marketing officer of Bark, which 43 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: we use in our home. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, 44 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: juvenile expert, anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. 45 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: Detective Rich with Stocky his new website, cyber Apparenting Dash 46 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: one O one dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 47 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on 48 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: Amazon and with Me Crimoline dot com. Investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie. 49 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: But first to Alisha kozy Kevitz. Alicia, I can't thank 50 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: you enough for joining us because I know how painful. 51 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Actually I don't know. I don't want to know, but 52 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I can imagine how painful it is for you to 53 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: talk about Scott Tyree and what happened to you. And 54 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: I know the only reason you do it is to 55 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: save other children's lives. How did Tyree worm into your 56 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: world as a little girl. Well, this was back in 57 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and one, two thousand and two, and the 58 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Internet was really quite new in people's homes, and because 59 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: of that, my parents didn't know the dangers. They talk 60 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: to me about stranger danger, but that didn't work in 61 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: the online world because that's where I was talking to 62 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: all of my friends from school, who would introduce me 63 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: to their friends and then their friends, and we spent 64 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: an amount of time in chat rooms and s I 65 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: was talking to people I didn't really know all that well, 66 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: but it could all be traced back, so it felt 67 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: connected and I felt safe. I was in my home 68 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: and nothing and no one had ever hurt me there before. 69 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: And in this chat room, somebody messaged to me who 70 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: I thought was a boy around my own age, and 71 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: I had believed, because I was who I said I was, 72 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: that this person would be who they said they were. 73 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: And that is naive, yes, but kids are naive. Kids believe. 74 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: And I grew up in a bubble. A lot of 75 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: people have this idea that things only bad things only 76 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: happened to kids from broken families, or troubled families, or 77 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: troubled children, and I grew up in this fantasy bubble. 78 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: We had our issues as a family, but a really 79 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: typical average family in most people's minds. And what a 80 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: predator is looking for is a vulnerability. And it may 81 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: seem what vulnerability would I have? I had a happy childhood. Well, 82 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: all children are vulnerable. Kids can be one day on 83 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: top of the world. I'm so excited, and then the 84 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: next day they get a bad grade, or their crush 85 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: had no interest in them, or they get in the 86 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: fight with their friends, and now they feel awful. And 87 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: what a predator does is they wash over those insecurities 88 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: and make a child feel beautiful and important and especially unique. 89 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 1: And that's what the person did to me. They groomed me. Well, 90 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: you know what it's called grooming. As Alicia Kasey Kevin's 91 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: is just pointing out, she survived being kidnapped and tortured. 92 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: Listen to this. When she was only thirteen, she was groomed, lured, 93 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: and abducted by an internet predator, Scott Tyree, who kidnapped 94 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: me and held me captive in his basement dungeon, and 95 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: he was going to kill me, her disappearance setting off 96 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: a massive four day nationwide search. While Tyree kept Alicia 97 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: changed to the floor at his home in Virginia. He 98 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: had been live streaming what he was doing to me 99 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: online and they turned on the computer and there I 100 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: was on the screen with my hands bound above my head, crying, bleeding, begging, 101 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: bruised in between the beatings and the raping. He will 102 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: hang you by your arms. In two thousand and eight, 103 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: she testified in Congress in support of legislation intended to 104 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: prevent cyber crimes against children and the increasing amount of 105 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: photos and videos of child abuse. Support The children saved 106 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: us from pedophiles, the pornographers, the monsters. The bill passed 107 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate. Guys, you were hearing 108 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: John and Christos at kgmy thirteen. Alicia lived to tell 109 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: her story. And you know it's gotta be bad when 110 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the kidnapper says her photo to another pedophile and he 111 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: feels so bad about it he calls the FBI. But 112 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: listen to Alicia with Sarah Danet KIMT three, there's no 113 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: words to subscribe the tear and the pain and the 114 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: loss of self and hopelessness that you can feel on 115 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: that situation. On the fourth day, Tyree told her they 116 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: would be taking a ride later and left for work. 117 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Little did Alicia know the FBI was at work looking 118 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: for her. Later that day, agents finally found her chained 119 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: up in her abductor's bedroom. All of these agents Russian, 120 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: and they cut that collar from around my neck and 121 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: they set me free. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 122 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: we were talking about how you can keep your children safe. 123 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: Don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime wave. 124 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: To Alicia cosy Kevitz, who is with us now? Alicia, 125 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: you were lulled into a seeming friendship with a guy 126 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: who purported to be your age and be your friend, 127 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: and when you stepped out, as you have said so poignantly, 128 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, he kidnapped you. You thought you 129 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: were meeting a little boy your age. It was a 130 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: grown man. And not only that, isn't it true, Alicia, 131 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: that he had been released from prison on parole without 132 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: his other victim knowing. Yes, I was not made aware 133 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: until I received a message from a reporter in Pittsburgh 134 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: who had basically said, are you aware that so and so? 135 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't never say his name, it's too painful. But 136 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: was released from prison, is now living in Pittsburgh in 137 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: a halfway house. Incredible from your parents' house. Incredible that 138 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: what happened? Join me to Detective Rich with Stocky at 139 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: cyber Parenting Dash one on one dot com Way in so, Nancy, 140 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: It's so incredible these days, especially with online learning, that 141 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: parents need to understand in the days of the kids 142 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: having their own devices now, not just the computer in 143 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: the family room. The biggest mistake parents make right now 144 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: is allowing their children to have their devices in their 145 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: rooms at night. When you allow your child they have 146 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: their devices in the rooms at night, they feel empowered, 147 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: like much like Alicia did. They feel that nothing could 148 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: happen to them, that predator stuff happened somewhere else. The 149 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: next premise that parents have to understand is that there's 150 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: no such thing as privacy for children. That they buy 151 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: their kid the device, they are the ones that provide 152 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: the service, and if they're not monitoring remotely, like having 153 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: things like bark on the device. It's not that we 154 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: have bad kids, but it's these outside influences that can 155 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: get to your child late at night when their inhibitions 156 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: are lowered and they feel empowered. And that's how our 157 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: kids get victimized. But it starts with the parents and 158 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: having great technology talks with our children. Alicia Kausi keevits 159 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: your life and your family's life has forever been changed. 160 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: I know he founded the Alicia Project dot org. I 161 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: know you're a childless crusader, but what is your single 162 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: most important piece of advice to parents like me that 163 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: want to protect their children. Well, I've noticed that parents 164 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: have gone from clueless to complacent. When I first started 165 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: speaking out when I was fourteen years old, all those 166 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: years ago, and nobody was quite talking about this. People 167 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: didn't believe me that it was happening. I was called 168 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: a fearmonger, and parents down right said things to me like, well, 169 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I know my child is not on my Space, which 170 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: is popular at the time, because I have the email 171 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: address for the house. They really believed that they had 172 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: one email address and that was all you got. And 173 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: now it seems that parents are knowing that they're knowledgeable 174 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: of the dangers, but they still turn away and say, well, 175 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: not my child. That happens to other people and to 176 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: other families, And you have to look into your own 177 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: life and to protect your own child and to be 178 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: a parent and to have those uncomfortable conversations because kids 179 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: will have to make decisions. It will happen. They will 180 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: be online and somebody will message them and they will 181 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: said to be a picture or meet me, or they 182 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: will be cyber bullied. Something is likely to happen, and 183 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: they have to have the ability to make the right decisions. 184 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: And that comes from those sometimes uncomfortable conversation tips and 185 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: I've got pages and pages of them. A predator will 186 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: hang out in chat rooms where children of the age 187 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: he is targeting also hang out like just Talk, House, Party, Chick, 188 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: any number of chat apps. He will pretend to be 189 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: a child, similar ash you, you're a child. He will 190 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: take on a believable child identity, complete with a name, description, school, family, 191 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: likes and dislikes. Create a rapport with your child. He 192 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: will like what she likes. He will be involved and 193 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: what she is involved. Maybe it's American Girl, Makeovers, Fortnite, Roadblocks, Minecraft, 194 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: or soccer. He suddenly is interested in what your child 195 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: is interested in, and then they have a commonality. I mean, 196 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to our friend from Bark. But first, 197 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, not only is she a judge, a trial lawyer, 198 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: and anchor at Court TV, she has a daughter. You know, 199 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: Ashley does your daughter? I'll stiffing up when you look 200 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: at her phone. Oh my gosh, stiff enough you and 201 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: I know there was a recent incident with her phone 202 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: that I can share with all your listeners. And let 203 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: me just say this stiffing up. She hates it. And 204 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: guess what, we don't care. Duke and I both look 205 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: at her phone, see what she's doing, see who she's texting. 206 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: And let me tell you this, she's a pretty good kid, 207 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: but she's already made some bad's great and she's made 208 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: some bad decisions. So Nancy, why because their brains and 209 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: people out there who will take advantage are you very 210 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: bad combination and can make them a potential target? Well, 211 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: are you going to tell what happened? And Nancy Grace, Okay, now, 212 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's just be real. You've got the 213 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: Kardashian shooting birds. You've got? Wasn't that Bella Hadide was 214 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: shooting a bird at the cops in her two thousand 215 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: dollars our designer outfit? So problem a little unnamed girl 216 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: maybe took a shot of herself shooting a bird. And 217 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: I feel really bad because as I was snooping through 218 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: my daughter's phone and she gets her like, why are 219 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: you looking at my phone? Mom? And I'm like, because 220 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: I pay for to stroll on my phone, it just 221 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: happens to be in your hands most of the time. Um, 222 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: I tell it. I actually saw the picture, but let 223 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: me say this, because my daughter is in the picture 224 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: and she's doing the double peace sign and I saw 225 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: the B I R D or is it b y 226 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: R D? Anyway, I'm like, you know what, I'm sure 227 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Ashley has this totally under control, so I'm not getting 228 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: up in this little did I find out like a 229 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: month later Lucy saw Sulky. I'm like, what happens? She goes, um, well, 230 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: my friend got her phone taken away, and I'm like, 231 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: let me guess it's actually Will got a little happily. 232 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: I did not injecting myself into that. But Ashley, that 233 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: is such a minor little thing. I'm saving my fights 234 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: for tattoos, drugs and alcohol, right, I'm saving those fights. 235 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, Nancy, Okay, it's all parenting, right, 236 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: But let me just say this. The point is it 237 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: can get away from you so quickly. They can in 238 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: the flash of an eye meet somebody, start texting, somebody postings. 239 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: So you just have to be vigilant at it every 240 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: single day. With Alicia and the parents, Alicia's parents, didn't 241 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: they tell you stay away from strangers, do this, do that, 242 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: do that, do this? They had no idea. The little 243 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: boy you were chatting with was a grown man convicted 244 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: of child born. Absolutely, it happened right under their noses 245 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: and they had no idea. And I hate to come 246 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: down to your parents because your parents love you so much. 247 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: And when you describe I think it was a Christmas 248 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: dinner or some kind of festive holiday dinner that you 249 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: guys were all at when you disappeared. I can just 250 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: imagine their wild anxiety when you had disappeared. Tutania Jordan 251 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Bark CMO. You know, Tutania, I got Bark before I 252 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: knew you, and I love it because everything, like I 253 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: told you this example, John David play soccer and he 254 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: dove through the net trying to save a goal and 255 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: he got a big bruise on his arm. He took 256 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: a picture of the bruise to show it off to 257 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: his friends. Long story short, Bark notified me and it 258 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: said self harm. I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven, 259 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: John David's self harm. I looked up and it was 260 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: showing off his bruise. It's highly sensitive. What is the 261 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: purpose of bark Bark Well, Nancy, thank you for asking 262 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: hn for sharing your personal story. There. Bark is technology 263 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: that keeps children safer online and because of that in 264 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: real life, it's going to scan your children, text messages, emails, 265 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: social media accounts, all kinds of things that you might 266 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: not even know you need to look for in your 267 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: children's devices and accounts, and it will flag the most 268 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: concerning content like cyber bowling, online predators, that's a suicide, depression, 269 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: potential drug use, and yes, even the bird. You know, 270 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: here's a thing that I'm curious about because they will 271 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: go on sites like just Talk or house Party and 272 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't you. I cannot look at their texts and 273 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: see what they're saying. So how do you protect against 274 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: bad influences on those apps? To Tanya, Well, it first 275 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: starts with ongoing and engaged conversations with your children. You 276 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: have to have the tough conversation with them before you 277 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: think they're ready. Honestly, if your children are nine, ten, 278 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: eleven and you haven't had a conversation about pornography, chances 279 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: are they've probably already encountered it. They might not know 280 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: what it is or what it's called, but they've encountered it. 281 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: Same thing with mental health and even you know, with 282 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: online predators, you don't have to call them that you 283 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: can just start with a concept of tricky people. How 284 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: there are some people online who might seem like your 285 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: best friend, but they do not have good intentions. And 286 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: you can never be afraid to surface it to mommy, daddy, caregiver, 287 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: because we don't want, you know, a cyber crime to 288 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: turn into in real life crime crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, 289 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: we are talking about don't be victim, fighting back. I 290 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: guess America's crime wave. Now you know that I have 291 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: Alicia cozy Kevit's with me now, her true life story 292 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: of meeting a pedophile online and being abducted, being saved 293 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: literally on the day Scott Tyree was set to kill 294 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: her to get rid of evidence by the Feds. Well, 295 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: let me tell you this story of Nicole Lovel who 296 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: did not live to tell a story. Take a listen 297 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: to our friend Eva Pilgrim at ABC. The police say 298 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: she snuck away to meet this man, and why wouldn't 299 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: she have trusted him? David Eisenhower was a track star, 300 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: good looking, successful. I realize in the moment that I 301 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: am doing things that other people wish they could be 302 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: doing it. He'd even been on television and yet I 303 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: still have goals for myself because there are people who 304 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: are better than me, and I will personally not stop 305 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: until I reach my peak performance. But Nicole never came back. Soon, 306 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: almost a thousand volunteers were searching, and authorities scoured for 307 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: leeds until they were able to track the last messages 308 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: from Nicole's phone, leading them to Eisenhower. An investigation led 309 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: us to eighteen year old David E. Eisenhower, a Virginia 310 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: Tech student. With Eisenhower in custody, authorities soon locating Nicole's 311 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: body eighty miles away in North Carolina. It's about two 312 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: miles from a home owned by his extended family. I'm 313 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: sure that something that Nicole's family would like to know 314 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: is why did she have to end up here? Left 315 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: in this condition and discarded in the manner she was 316 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: well on Nicole's town, completely naked, wiped down with the 317 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: bleach and wet wipe so there would be no evidence 318 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: on her body. She thought, and had told her little friends, 319 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: who were at the mall that day looking for necklaces 320 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: and bracelets, that she had found a boyfriend and that 321 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: he wanted to get married and start a family. She's 322 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: barely passed, twelve years old, get married, have a family, 323 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: translation have underage six? How were they communicating? Take a 324 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: listen to our friends At ABC, Nicole was using a 325 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: messaging app called Kick to communicate with Eisenhower, raising questions 326 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: about possibly dangerous encounters. I'm willing to say Kick is 327 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: the devil for young children because it's like a free 328 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: ability to text anything you want and parents can't see 329 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: the phone numbers that are coming in and now experts 330 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: say many of these anonymous apps are popular with teens 331 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: and predators. You can sign up as anybody you want 332 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: to be. It really becomes a private hunting preserve for 333 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: some of these pedophiles. Here's how Kick works. Download the 334 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: app for free at any name and any photo. Then 335 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: you can send messages, photos and videos and you don't 336 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: even need texting service. Parents sometimes take away these plans 337 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: thinking that well, the child is abused it, but they 338 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: only need a WiFi single to be able to communicate 339 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: to Just had to rich with Stocky joining us his 340 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: d website cyber Parenting dash one on one dot com. 341 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: I can look at the children's text messages. But how 342 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: does a parent guard against things like Kick and WhatsApp? 343 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: House party where the texts are not readily visible. So 344 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: what I do is when I'm going through with schools 345 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: throughout the country, we have to train our children. There's 346 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: there's two points that I bring out and red flags 347 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: to the kids that I teach in the pen is 348 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: that if someone takes you off your gaming platform or 349 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: your social media to go to private chat, they are 350 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: not who they say they are. Because if you really 351 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: want to talk to me, why not just say it, 352 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm the appera, I'm a game. Why do I have 353 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: to go over here? Well, that's because a lot of 354 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: these letters. Social media has programs that monitor grooming pictures 355 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: and videos that are talked to with juvenile accounts. So 356 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: when the first red flag that I teach kids is 357 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: that if someone takes you off to your gaming platform 358 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: or private chat, or your gaming or your social media 359 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: to go to private chat, they are not who they 360 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: say Danner. Let's say they went there and I have 361 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: arrested over one hundred sextortionists in my career, Nancy, And 362 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: so when they go over to that private chat. We've 363 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: been friends for so long playing World Lucks, probably just 364 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: two months. We've been friends for so long, do you 365 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: want to see what I really look like. And if 366 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: we're not having these tech conversations with our children, your 367 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: kids says sure, and then they send them the predator, 368 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: who they think it's their age, will send them an 369 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: inappropriate picture or video. And then the common denominat in 370 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: every sextortion case is after I send this to you, 371 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: now you owe me one pick. When I go to schools, 372 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: then I asked the kids six seven, eighth grade, how 373 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: many of you guys have ever received the text you 374 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: owe me one pick? Half the room raises their hands. 375 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: So if we're not talking to our kids, our kids 376 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: think that, oh, there must be some internet law that 377 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I have to reciprocate the same type of picture. And 378 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: then they would take the same type of picture showing 379 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: their you know, their boobs or their butts or whatever. 380 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: And then they send it to the first and they 381 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: thought they've known for two months. Three days later that 382 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: persons they've been gaming with for the last two months. 383 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: So says, hey, how do you like your new Instagram 384 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: account with your booty shot on it? I'm going to 385 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: send this to all your friends, your family, your church, 386 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: your team. If you don't make me videos every week. Now, 387 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: the kid is extored it to our parents and I 388 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: want to I want to open your eyes to a 389 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: feature film, a documentary that we were involved in called 390 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: Childhood two point zero. It's on YouTube. Childhood two point 391 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: er will give you the currents most realistic disposition of 392 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: our kids today on technology, and it's very well done. 393 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: Detective Rich was Stocky. You can find him at cyber 394 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: Parenting Dash one on one dot com. One thing I 395 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: always do to Joseph s Goot Morgan joining me professor 396 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: forensics and it's not just blood and fingerprints, it's computer 397 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: cyber of forensics as well. When I hear him, what 398 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: he does is set up all of his little friends 399 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: from school or on a group call. As they're playing 400 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: a game together. I always go in the room and say, hey, 401 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: who are you playing with? As if I'm innocently interested. 402 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: He tells me and I say hello to all the 403 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: little friends. If I find him playing quietly, I say 404 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: who's that and he goes It's just somebody that wants 405 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: to play Fortnite. I'm like, you didn't give him your name, 406 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: did you, or your school or where you live or 407 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: the city or anything like that, or your phone number 408 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake goes no, no, no, Mama would never 409 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: do that. Joe Scott Morgan, how can you trace, for instance, 410 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: these apps. I always say to John David, you don't 411 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: know who that is. He says, his name is Derek 412 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: and he's twelve years old. It's probably a sixty five 413 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: year old ball guy, you know, hiding in his apartment 414 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: where he lives alone with a bunch of cats, acting 415 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: like a little boy. He's probably gonna try to get 416 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: a picture of you in your underwear. Hang get off. 417 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: I think I scared him enough with that. But how 418 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: do you, I mean, the purvs get the children into 419 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: chat rooms? Joe Scott. You know, Nancy, this is the 420 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: interesting thing is that there's a principle in forensic science 421 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: that's called the cards exchange principle, and that means that 422 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: every contact leaves a trace. It's not just you know, 423 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned fingerprints in blood, and you and I talked 424 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: about that a lot, and we have for years now. 425 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: But in this context, every individual that is operating electronic 426 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: divide leaves behind a specific signature to tie them back, 427 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: and that's what is done in order to trace them 428 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: back and connect them to these cakes you're right. Here 429 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: are more of the tips for you to keep your 430 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: child safer cyber predators for instance, signs of predators chargeting 431 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: your child and Alisha Tarsiana to Tanya, excuse me, Ashley Rich, 432 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Sierra jump in if you can think of another. 433 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Your child spends more time online. They start going online 434 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: late at night. They get calls from people you don't know. 435 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Your child gets a gift in the mail from someone 436 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: you don't know. When you walk in the room, your 437 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: child suddenly stops playing, or they change a screen or 438 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: hang up the phone. Your child starts distancing themselves from 439 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: family life and no longer seems interested in things they 440 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: used to love. They don't want to talk about what 441 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: they're doing online. It goes on and on and on. 442 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: Tips how to protect your child. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 443 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: we are talking about Don't be a Victim Fighting back 444 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: against America's crime Wave, which I wrote for you. It 445 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: is based on literally thousands of cases I personally investigated, prosecuted, 446 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: and covered. Not to just rehash the details, but to 447 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: learn to call something good to help other people. That 448 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: means you to Sierra Gillespie, does the name Michelle Carter, 449 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: ring a bell to you. What happened to Michelle Carter's 450 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: extremely young, a very sensitive boyfriend, Conrad Roy. Yeah, nanc 451 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Michelle Carter is almost an infamous name at this point. 452 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: A lot of us have heard of this case. Conrad 453 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: Roy was only eighteen years old, and he had actually 454 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: met Michelle in real life a few times. They met 455 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: law on vacation in Florida visiting family, but they both 456 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: lived relatively close in the Boston area, and so they 457 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: just texted. I mean, like any normal child would do. 458 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: You're just texting your boyfriend or your friend. They actually 459 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: knew each other, so it wasn't going to be, you know, 460 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: a cyber bullying situation, but it eventually came that way. 461 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: Conrad confided in Michelle about he had some suicidal ideations. 462 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: He was struggling with depression, and eventually she seemingly persuaded 463 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: him to take his own life, which is what he did. 464 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our longtime friend Aaron Moriarny. 465 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: Right away, we heard from investigators that medical examiner found 466 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: there was a suicide. It wasn't until they started looking 467 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: at his phone that they realized that there was something 468 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: else going on here, because on that phone or hundreds 469 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: and hundreds of texts from Michelle Carter Conrad Roy urging 470 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: him to end his life. You can't think about it. 471 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: You just have to do it. You said you were 472 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: gonna do it, like I don't get why you aren't, 473 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: And Michelle Carter admittedly said do it. She was kind 474 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: of making fun of him for not taking his own life. 475 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: I thought you really wanted to die, but apparently you don't. 476 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: I feel played and just stupid. You're going to have 477 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: to prove me wrong because I just don't think you 478 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: really want this, and she kept pressuring him to do it. 479 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: You're eddie and prepared. All you have to do is 480 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: turn the generator on and you be free and happy. 481 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: No more pushing it off, no more waiting. There was 482 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: one point where he actually got out of the truck 483 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: and changed his mind. Yeah, he was scared, and she 484 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: told him to go back in the truck. Yes, you know. 485 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: To you Alicia Koza Kevitz, Teens, especially sensitive teens is 486 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: his first girlfriend, are very susceptible and very malleable. This 487 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: boy committed suicide after literally thousands, literally thousands of communications 488 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: from his so called girlfriend, such as do you have 489 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: a generator? Not yet? Well, when are you going to 490 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: get it? So? Are you sure you don't want to 491 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: kill yourself tonight? What do you mean in my shirt? Like? 492 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: Are you definitely not doing it tonight? Because I'll stay 493 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: up with you if you want to do it tonight. 494 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: You can't keep pushing it off. That's what you keep doing. 495 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it goes on and on and on with 496 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: her pushing him, egging him on, even telling him how 497 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: to hook up a generator to his car, to his 498 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: truck so he can breathe deeply and die. How malleable 499 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: were you when a child predator was grooming you online? Alicia? 500 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: Extremely malleable. You're looking for that connection. And when you're young, 501 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: even if you do have close friends, even if you 502 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: do have a loving family, you so often feel that 503 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: you're on the outside looking in and that nobody really 504 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: can understand you. And these two were only and I 505 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: find it so interesting that they only lived about an 506 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: hour or so away from each other. I had only 507 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: seen each other a few times. And if she really 508 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: wanted to help him, he wasn't far away for her 509 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: to do so. All she wanted to help him do 510 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: clearly was to harm himself. She's like a vulture over 511 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: a body. Take a listen to Aaron Moriarty CBS. Carter 512 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: was on the phone with Roy as he was dying 513 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: of carbon monoxide poisoning inside his truck in July twenty fourteen. 514 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: She never called for help. When Roy apparently changed his 515 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: mind and got out of his vehicle. She even told 516 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: him to get back inside. Roy suffered from depression. The 517 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: hardest thing for me is to be comfortable in my 518 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: own skin. And before he killed himself, Carter sent the 519 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: eighteen year old dozens of texts pressuring him to commit suicide. 520 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: One red, hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself. 521 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of ways Michelle Carter 522 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: exploited my son's weaknesses and used him as a pawn. 523 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: Where was her humanity? Carter, who herself has struggled with 524 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: anxiety and eating disorders. What wept at times during the hearing? 525 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: This is a tragedy for two families. Judge Lawrence Monaz 526 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: sentence turned two and a half years in jail, but 527 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: he said Carter would only have to spend half of 528 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: that fifteen months behind bars. She also received five years probation. 529 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: Tips Watch your child closely. Are they upset after being 530 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: on their device? Do they seem upset or nervous when 531 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: their device pains or they get an email text or 532 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: I AM instant message? Do they sometimes avoid their device, 533 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: avoid talk of their device or online games? Tries to 534 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: keep their online life a secret. Their grades begin to drop, 535 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: They withdraw from real life and activities they love. They 536 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: have unexplained anger, unusual outbursts, changes in behavior. I mean, 537 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: there's so many, literally hundreds of tips to keep you 538 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: and your children safe. To you, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 539 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. What happens when you die of carbon 540 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: monoxide poisoning like Conrad Roy did? Yeah, it's a miserable 541 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: way to die, Nancy, And I've worked many cases like 542 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: this in my life over my course of my career. 543 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: And it's a replacement it actually it's an exclusion of 544 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: oxygen and it causes the person to suffocate. But Nancy, 545 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: on another note, if you don't mind, I've worked actually 546 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: a case that's very similar to this in Atlanta where 547 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: there was a group of people sitting around a table 548 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: and a young man had not gone out to pick 549 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: up his date for an evening out with all of 550 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: his friends, and she called him. She was crying on 551 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: the phone, and he opened the phone up on the table, 552 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: put her on speaker, and convinced her to actually shoot 553 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: herself while they were on the phone together. And it 554 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: was one of the most horrible, heartbreaking cases that I 555 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: ever came in contact with. And this is what I 556 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: would say about this is that they're very fragile people 557 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: out there and the internet electronics. They are no respecter 558 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: of persons because they are so they're just this conduit 559 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: for evil to creep into people's lives. In the case 560 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: of this poor boy who was just screaming out for 561 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: help and he happened to latch onto the wrong person 562 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: the case and at lant I was just mentioned in 563 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: to you. You know, this girl was longing to be 564 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: accepted by that group of people, and you know the 565 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: people were sitting there and they could actually hear the 566 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: gunshot go off. Nancy, these people are predators and they 567 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: will take advantage of anybody that's weak. And to Ucierra 568 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: Gilleste Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, isn't it true 569 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: that Michelle Carter has already been released from prison. The 570 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: Athananthia that's true again. We heard she was that in 571 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: sit two and a half years in prison, but it 572 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: was reduced, so she has already been released. She's going 573 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: about her life and Conrad Roy is dead. Please don't 574 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: be a victim, fight back and save a child. Nancy 575 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off good Life