Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Ron DeSantis, Pact President, resigned the
Speaker 1: day after his debate with Gavin Newsom. We have such
Speaker 1: an interesting show today. The Daily Beast Kelly Wilde tells
Speaker 1: us about why the Seth Rich and Pizzagate conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: have resurfaced again. And then we'll talk to the Environmental
Speaker 1: Defense Funds Fred Krupp about the big news this weekend
Speaker 1: of an agreement that will help hold oil and gas
Speaker 1: companies accountable for methane leaks. But first we have the
Speaker 1: host of the Enemy's List, the Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, your friend and mine whatever,
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.
Speaker 2: Hi up, Rick Wilson, and thanks for joining us today
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that debate last night, Ron dez
Speaker 1: Santis versus Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3: Go.
Speaker 2: I have to say this, I tweeted earlier in the
Speaker 2: day there was absolutely no reason to watch this debate
Speaker 2: and it's a rare thing. I'm just gonna admit it,
Speaker 2: though I was so wrong.
Speaker 4: I feel like we have the Rick Wilson dirty talk here.
Speaker 4: He's like, when you get.
Speaker 1: To a certain level of political acumen, Rick Wilson, is
Speaker 1: kenna control himself?
Speaker 4: Continue?
Speaker 2: It's true. I believed that last night would just be
Speaker 2: a nothing burger, like a you know, a wet fart
Speaker 2: and a hurricane. But it turned out that we learned
Speaker 2: three important things last night. Ron DeSantis' consultants and staff
Speaker 2: hate him. They hate him with the fire of a
Speaker 2: billion suns.
Speaker 1: So are you saying that Jeff row is not really
Speaker 1: ultimately on team DeSantis?
Speaker 2: I am saying that every person who receives a paycheck
Speaker 2: from him last night must have been howling with laughter
Speaker 2: watching him get his ass beat like a rinted mule.
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy got whipped up and down the
Speaker 2: stage by Gavin Newsom. And it's not because Gavin's politics
Speaker 2: are more appealing. It's because Gavin Newsom knows how to
Speaker 2: stand on a stage and debate somebody. You could have
Speaker 2: flipped their ideological polarities one hundred percent and Ron Sanda
Speaker 2: still would have had his ass whipped, just beat so
Speaker 2: bad he couldn't sit for a week. It was embarrassing,
Speaker 2: it was painful. You could even watch Sean Hannity's like
Speaker 2: facial tics a few times where he knew his conservative champion,
Speaker 2: Ron de Sentius was getting his head cut off and
Speaker 2: kicked around like a soccer ball. Oh my god, it
Speaker 2: was humiliating. I can't put too fine a point on
Speaker 2: the fact that there were people who believed that Rond
Speaker 2: de Santis was a good debater when this primary start.
Speaker 2: Much like people who believe that the earth is hollow
Speaker 2: and the interiors is filled with plant people, much like
Speaker 2: people who believe that they hear the universe whispering to
Speaker 2: them to tell them to do things. This guy was
Speaker 2: so bad last night, I mean so catastrophically, unbelievably shit
Speaker 2: to your bad that if I had normal human emotions,
Speaker 2: I might have felt a moment of pity for him.
Speaker 1: No, I did not feel pity for him, But then again,
Speaker 1: I also do not have normal human emotions.
Speaker 2: Added to his catalog, and my video editors, of course
Speaker 2: captured at all his catalog of weird tongue movements.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, a lot of weird.
Speaker 2: His smile is like the smile of a serial killer.
Speaker 2: He's eyeing up a girl for a skin suit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna sew out of her flesh. I mean, it
Speaker 2: just was so goddamn horrible. It was painful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, horrible, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2: If people think this is the guy who's going to
Speaker 2: beat Donald Trump in a Republican primary, I mean, what
Speaker 2: the hot fuck?
Speaker 4: I think it's over.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you feel like this was the end
Speaker 1: of Ron DeSantis' national political career.
Speaker 2: The only thing that's left of Rowdisantus's campaign is a
Speaker 2: carcass that political vultures are picking over right now. That
Speaker 2: was a debate of such disastrous proportions that ending the
Speaker 2: campaign is a mercy killing. I literally could not tell
Speaker 2: you what we were watching. We got hold from the
Speaker 2: generalized that we were watching it on DVR, and it
Speaker 2: was almost like a movie version of the inept horrible
Speaker 2: conservative candidate getting his ass whipped by a slick rival.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well man, I.
Speaker 4: Mean just incredible.
Speaker 1: And what struck me the most was there really were
Speaker 1: things to be learned and gleaned from Gavin Newsom's debating style.
Speaker 1: For example, he really did sort of go in there
Speaker 1: like Sean Hannity.
Speaker 4: I've never seen a moderator.
Speaker 1: Be more biased in my life like Sean Hannity would
Speaker 1: ask a question. It would be like, Gavin, why is
Speaker 1: there so much crime in California? Why is California a
Speaker 1: burning houhole that people are desperately trying to leave?
Speaker 2: Why of living in v the day?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: And he would come and you'd be like, well, that's
Speaker 1: not really And I mean, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: watched the beginning of the debate, but so Sean Hannity
Speaker 1: spent about three minutes talking, but it felt like twenty
Speaker 1: talking about how these questions are going to be fact based,
Speaker 1: which I guess was like unlike everything else on Fox News.
Speaker 1: By the way, they were not fact based, but they
Speaker 1: were like some of them had charts, yes, poop charts.
Speaker 1: Poop charts. Well that was later when someone decided. The
Speaker 1: thing I love about DeSantis is that he kept coming
Speaker 1: up with these anecdotes. He was like, I met this
Speaker 1: woman so obviously a donor. She had to take off
Speaker 1: her jewelry before she went shopping. And I'm thinking to myself, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she was a donor, right, she has to
Speaker 1: have been a Republican donor who was like wearing lunch
Speaker 1: diamonds and she takes them off when she goes to
Speaker 1: the grocery store because she puts them in the safe.
Speaker 2: I presume that you know the average DeSantis, Florida donor
Speaker 2: is she's gonna walk the Harry Winston up in the
Speaker 2: safe before she goes to publics in the afternoon. Right,
Speaker 2: she's sick of the iguanas falling on her diamonds.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable that I thought was amazing.
Speaker 1: And then he tried to do this gotcha with Newsom
Speaker 1: about Newsom's in laws moving to Florida. That was like,
Speaker 1: clearly when they were debate prepping, he was like, and
Speaker 1: then I'm going to drop the Newsom in laws thing.
Speaker 1: And again it was so badly done that I don't
Speaker 1: think it landed.
Speaker 4: Did he really have.
Speaker 1: A conversation with Newsom's in laws where they were like,
Speaker 1: we're moving to Florida?
Speaker 2: Of course not. Here's the real thing about debate prep,
Speaker 2: and I've done debate prep at every level conceivable. If
Speaker 2: you have a great opposition research hit, you better vet
Speaker 2: the shit out of it, right, you better know it's
Speaker 2: exactly what you think it is, and you'd better be
Speaker 2: able to deliver it without seeming like you're tea going
Speaker 2: to no I will know I will deploy binger.
Speaker 4: Incredible stuff.
Speaker 2: God, I'd love to play cards with this fucker because he.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I thought was really interesting that
Speaker 1: we kept seeing d Santis do was that you could
Speaker 1: tell he was like very angry, and he'd be like,
Speaker 1: he's lying, this is a lie, it's all lies, and then.
Speaker 4: He'd laugh he's lying, he's lying.
Speaker 2: Sean, Yeah, Sean, yeah.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm almost bored saying to people for the last
Speaker 2: year plus two years, almost Ron DeSantis is an overpriced
Speaker 2: political stock. He's not good at the work. This is
Speaker 2: not a man with the natural airs and graces of politics.
Speaker 2: This is not a man who understands how to communicate
Speaker 2: with people, or connect with people, or to even walk
Speaker 2: down a street without having dogs howl at it. This
Speaker 2: is not the guy who comes across as normal and
Speaker 2: the idea that you've got Sean Hannity trying to put
Speaker 2: the paddles on the chest to this guy's debate performance
Speaker 2: last night. The only thing more absurd about it is
Speaker 2: the Dassanna's spin coming out of it, where they were saying, yes,
Speaker 2: Dessanus is obviously now the front runner the presidential campaign. No,
Speaker 2: here's how insulting I think it probably was in Trump's mind.
Speaker 2: He probably like gave up watching it after about after
Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes, right, because it was just that bad. Also,
Speaker 2: the picture Fox released of the two of them, it
Speaker 2: looked like they were about the kids.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't see that Fox.
Speaker 2: Really supposed to post. I haven't seen it. Look up
Speaker 2: the Fox poster of the two they looked like it
Speaker 2: was the cover of like a Harlequin romance novel from
Speaker 2: the seventies. It was like, now kiss me, you thrubbing brutes.
Speaker 1: But here's the like the fifty four billion dollar question,
Speaker 1: is de Santis so bad?
Speaker 4: Or is Newsome so good?
Speaker 2: It's de Santus is so bad. Kevin is fine as
Speaker 2: a debater, right, He's not top tier interesting, He's not
Speaker 2: a Barack Obama or Bill Clinton.
Speaker 1: I thought he was Bill Clinton last night. So tell
Speaker 1: me why he's not Bill Clinton, because here's why I
Speaker 1: thought he was Bill Clinton.
Speaker 4: And again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is my forty five year old housewife for
Speaker 1: a not to be sexist and also deeply misogynistic about myself.
Speaker 1: But the thing I was struck by with Newsom, which
Speaker 1: I thought was a singular talent and I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: was that he took every single Fox News talking point.
Speaker 2: He's actually become very focused on doing that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Sean Hannity, he was like, crime, it's a
Speaker 1: real problem. And then all of a sudden, we're here
Speaker 1: and Newsom is talking about gun safety and gun violence
Speaker 1: and mass shootings, and you're like, wait a second, isn't
Speaker 1: that a sort of singular talent or am I just
Speaker 1: like he's cute?
Speaker 2: Well, you bifer kate the question first. Gavin has become
Speaker 2: very adept at turning the Fox bullshit back on itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Pete Buddha Jeddge also has become very adept at doing that.
Speaker 2: It bothers the Fox audience, which is why they only
Speaker 2: have them on an extremely limited quarity. Right again, Gavin
Speaker 2: was a fine debater, capable debater, marshalled his facts nicely.
Speaker 2: But this is like, you know, you're in a house
Speaker 2: with kind of a musty, mildery room and you walk
Speaker 2: into another room and there's a giant polo horse maneuver.
Speaker 2: The first room smells pretty good in comparison, So it
Speaker 2: is partly that you were watching a decent to good
Speaker 2: debater take on probably the worst political communicator in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four cycle.
Speaker 5: Watching that reminded me of watching what President Bartlett did
Speaker 5: for liberals on Westling. Yes, like the whole way that
Speaker 5: character was written as like liberal porn in that era.
Speaker 5: This was modern day liberal porn. I felt like they
Speaker 5: engineered it to do it. As somebody watches a million debates,
Speaker 5: I actually have to say I disagree. I think that
Speaker 5: was top tier performance for the audience he was trying
Speaker 5: to impress, which is primary voters who Gavin Newsom's debate
Speaker 5: bait was all about telling primary voters I should be
Speaker 5: next to mine?
Speaker 4: What about DeSantis?
Speaker 5: The Charlie Criss debate was the worst debate performance I
Speaker 5: think I have ever caught, maybe aside from Scott Brown
Speaker 5: versus Elizabeth Poor, maybe the only one worse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so there you go, And when do you
Speaker 4: think about it?
Speaker 2: Jesse. Charlie crist at that point was a spent force
Speaker 2: in Florida politics. He's tired, he's exhausted, he doesn't know
Speaker 2: what he wants to be when he grows up. Finally,
Speaker 2: right exactly, and when you saw him put DeSantis on
Speaker 2: complete blue screen lockdown, Ron, are you going to stay here?
Speaker 2: And serve the people of Florida as you're promising to do,
Speaker 2: or you're going to run for president, and Santa's was like, oh, clank, client,
Speaker 2: it's just a thing of beauty. As the kids would say,
Speaker 2: Charlie Chriss brought NPC energy and still.
Speaker 4: Wont I don't know what that means.
Speaker 5: NPC is non playable character in the video and game.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did bring NPC energy, but why is a
Speaker 1: non player case it's something to use. Why is a
Speaker 1: non playable character better than a playable character.
Speaker 5: It's worse, it's worse. They have no personality. You forget
Speaker 5: them immediately. That's Charlie christ He's the most forgettable person.
Speaker 2: It's worse. Yeah, it makes it. It makes it worse
Speaker 2: that Rond de Santas was beaten. This is like Ronda
Speaker 2: Stantus could have debated a toaster oven last night and
Speaker 2: still lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good point, but it is interesting.
Speaker 1: I did really think to myself, like, we should have
Speaker 1: more debates, We should be watching this kind of thing
Speaker 1: more because ultimately, even though it is just like a
Speaker 1: pseudo event like polls, like press conferences, it's manufactured for
Speaker 1: our amusement and it's not a natural, organic data point.
Speaker 1: It still is really a way of thinking about things
Speaker 1: that we just don't do that much in American media.
Speaker 2: Discuss Well, I have a piece coming on next week
Speaker 2: about this. It's like debates at one point really served
Speaker 2: a purpose of showing you who the people running for
Speaker 2: president were, right. It was one of the few ways
Speaker 2: that people got to look at the character in the
Speaker 2: modern era, got to look at the character and the
Speaker 2: ideals and the skills of a political candidate. It was
Speaker 2: a job interview, and you stood on the stage with
Speaker 2: a bunch of other people and you gave a job interview.
Speaker 2: Last night was like the scene in Step Brothers where
Speaker 2: they show up in the office wearing weird tuxedos and
Speaker 2: are completely awkward, right, and it just you can't imagine
Speaker 2: the level of disaster at this sky pos for his
Speaker 2: own campaign. And frankly, look, DeSantis did this because he's
Speaker 2: absolutely desperate for anything to change the dynamic of the
Speaker 2: presidential climate for other than Donald Trump dropping dead of
Speaker 2: a cardiac arrest. The dynamic is not changing, right, sorry,
Speaker 2: Ron Well.
Speaker 1: I also think the thing that was very striking to
Speaker 1: me at which I thought was kind of incredible, was
Speaker 1: Newsom said when you can drop out.
Speaker 2: Well, I also like to when Newsom said to him,
Speaker 2: I'm going to endor the doorstep in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: You're going to endorse thought Weld.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean no, I mean it was. There were
Speaker 1: just a lot of really good lines in there. So
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, thank you for joining us. I hope you'll
Speaker 1: come back.
Speaker 2: Well jung fast, there you go.
Speaker 1: Kelly Wile is a journalist of the Daily Beast and
Speaker 1: author of the amazing newsletter Mom Left But Kelly Wile, welcome.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Here's the sentence I would like to have never had
Speaker 1: to say. When Elon must started tweeting about Pizzagates, that's
Speaker 1: when you know, as celebrity or billionaire has really started
Speaker 1: to go off the rails. Is when they start to
Speaker 1: embrace Pizzagate. We need the TLDR on what the fuck
Speaker 1: pizzagate is. Give us the twenty minute history in about
Speaker 1: two minutes.
Speaker 7: Okay, good, because no one wants to listen to this
Speaker 7: for twenty minutes.
Speaker 6: It is way more than your brain cells deserve.
Speaker 7: Basically, Pizzagate is a resuscitation of a whole bunch of
Speaker 7: old conspiracy tropes, But this basically accuses prominent democrats of
Speaker 7: trafficking children either for sex and or like drinking their blood,
Speaker 7: and they're trafficking them through pizzerias.
Speaker 1: And it's charts with the pizzeria that was owned by
Speaker 1: the husband of David Brown exactly.
Speaker 7: So they really homed in on this DC pizzeria that
Speaker 7: had literally never done anything wrong.
Speaker 4: Comet Ping Pong is the pizza there good?
Speaker 6: I have straight up never been.
Speaker 7: I do want to take a like a conspiracy tour,
Speaker 7: maybe like ed at the UFO restaurant in Roswell or something,
Speaker 7: get some pizza comet ping Pong. But in essence, a
Speaker 7: whole bunch of nutjubs on the Internet got really worked
Speaker 7: up about non existent child trafficking in me by the way,
Speaker 7: non existent basement of this pizzeria.
Speaker 6: There's no basement, and.
Speaker 7: It got whipped into such a fever pitch that a
Speaker 7: gunman went into the pizzeria, which is really popular with children.
Speaker 6: And their parents.
Speaker 7: He went in there at lunchtime, started firing off rounds
Speaker 7: because he was gonna, you know, save the children, and
Speaker 7: that should have quelled the entire thing forever. To his credit,
Speaker 7: she did go looking, didn't find trafficking, did manage to shoot,
Speaker 7: you know, an ar a couple times in a crowded restaurant,
Speaker 7: but unfortunately that did not put it to rest for
Speaker 7: some of the Internet's most colorful characters.
Speaker 4: How did Elon get involved in this again?
Speaker 7: So? Elon has always been like kind of a conspiracy dabbler.
Speaker 7: You know, he loves really lukewarm memes, really lukewarm conspiracy theories.
Speaker 7: So he's always getting to things like two to five
Speaker 7: years late. Just over the past like a couple of
Speaker 7: weeks or so, he's been not just engaging with conspiracy
Speaker 7: and Pizzagate influencers, because he's done that a lot in
Speaker 7: the past, but actually promoting this kind of thing, tweeting
Speaker 7: out like an office meme, like a meme of Michael
Speaker 7: Scott from the office, like endorsing the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.
Speaker 7: I mean, these are things that a few years ago,
Speaker 7: if somebody did that, that would just be like, Okay,
Speaker 7: well you're considered a crank for life. And Elon's doing
Speaker 7: it and he's got thousands of Blue Check fans being like, yeah, sir,
Speaker 7: that's awesome, that's so epic.
Speaker 1: Right, So he rediscovers pizza game, he starts tweeting about it.
Speaker 1: This then sets up a sort of like the Pizzagate
Speaker 1: people get super psyched because this is all they've ever wanted.
Speaker 7: Right, Exactly all these people want is attention, and I
Speaker 7: cannot tell you the degree to which they've like they've
Speaker 7: pursued it. I've had Pizzagate people like scroll through my
Speaker 7: Instagram to like comment on my wedding photos.
Speaker 6: Be like Pizzagate is real.
Speaker 7: It's like, so to get the richest man in the
Speaker 7: world endorsing your theory when previously you were like two
Speaker 7: and a half years deep on a random reporters Instagram,
Speaker 7: that's huge.
Speaker 6: That is frime time.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 6: They're jumping for joy about this.
Speaker 7: A lot of them are kind of re upping old
Speaker 7: Pizzagate content that was never taken seriously before, is not
Speaker 7: taken seriously now but can get a lot more eyeballs
Speaker 7: than it used to.
Speaker 4: And that really is the sort of net net here is.
Speaker 1: Again, we don't know what's happening in his head, but
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like he thinks this will be good
Speaker 1: for the brand, right.
Speaker 7: I would never presume to know what's going on in
Speaker 7: Elon's head. It is a complete mystery to me, and
Speaker 7: I'd like to keep it that way. But he thinks
Speaker 7: of himself as a troll, and he does promote content
Speaker 7: that's provocative that's going to start arguments and often, you know,
Speaker 7: arguments to his side's favor. And the right has been
Speaker 7: really invested in Pizzagate because it's sort of, you know,
Speaker 7: it's a way to push this trope about, oh, you
Speaker 7: can't trust the elites, and conveniently, in their narrative, the
Speaker 7: elites are you know, like college professors and I guess
Speaker 7: reporters rather than extremely rich people with huge media franchises.
Speaker 7: So it's a very politically salient thing to promote and
Speaker 7: it works to Elon's favor.
Speaker 1: Explain to me exactly how seth Rich factors into all
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the seth Rich conspiracy theory came around the
Speaker 7: same time as the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. The commonality they
Speaker 7: have is just like seething, foaming at the mouth resentment
Speaker 7: for Hillary Clinton, just throwing anything in the wall to
Speaker 7: sea wall stick. Pizzagate suggested that she was involved in
Speaker 7: a child sex trafficking ring. Seth Rich basically, there was
Speaker 7: a young DNC staffer who was murdered in an apparent
Speaker 7: robbery in DC. A whole bunch of figures on the
Speaker 7: right spun up this completely fake conspiracy theory suggesting that
Speaker 7: he had leaked DNC records to Wiki leaks. That wasn't true,
Speaker 7: But the right seized on this tragedy and seized on
Speaker 7: this young man's family and really made their lives hell
Speaker 7: for a long long time. And you know, I think
Speaker 7: the family was able to claw back the narrative in
Speaker 7: some respects very bravely going public honoring their son's name,
Speaker 7: and also, like Fox News, had to retract their stories
Speaker 7: about the stuff because it was complete bogus. And yet
Speaker 7: years after the fath just like the resuscitation of Pizzagate,
Speaker 7: we're seeing a revival of Seth Rich conspiracy theories both
Speaker 7: on Twitter and elsewhere. You know, I mentioned there was
Speaker 7: a Fox News story on him that had to be
Speaker 7: pulled because it was complete bullshit. Well just the sweet
Speaker 7: Fox is revealed to have rehired the producer behind it,
Speaker 7: So we're seeing, you know, kind of a grace period
Speaker 7: for getting called out in your bullshit. That's that's up,
Speaker 7: and they're just bringing back the classics.
Speaker 1: Is this a conspiracy, Like, is he doing this just
Speaker 1: because he's sort of baffling through you know everything, or
Speaker 1: do you think he's doing this because he thinks it'll
Speaker 1: help Twitter traffic? And I mean, is he like doing
Speaker 1: the trumpy thing of like touching the third rail because
Speaker 1: you just have decided that that's all you have and
Speaker 1: let's just try that and see what happens.
Speaker 6: I think it's a combination of those things.
Speaker 7: I think Elon, just like Trump, is like pathologically compelled
Speaker 7: to touch the third rail. But I don't think he's
Speaker 7: doing it for Twitter's benefit. I think he's doing it
Speaker 7: because he's literally addicted to attention. You know, he needs that,
Speaker 7: he needs that dopamine, he needs his reactions and everything
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any way to argue that this
Speaker 6: is good for Twitter.
Speaker 4: I mean, but it drives engagement.
Speaker 7: To agree, Yeah, totally, But I mean there's just like
Speaker 7: engagement with whom I guess like they've brought back, you know,
Speaker 7: some far right figures on Twitter, but you look at
Speaker 7: the numbers and just they're plummeting. You and me are
Speaker 7: talking the night after Elon Musk went on stage at
Speaker 7: like a New York Times thing and said my advertisers
Speaker 7: can go fuck themselves or something like that. I mean,
Speaker 7: this is not the brightest business mind running this company
Speaker 7: right now, and so I don't think like a Pizzagate
Speaker 7: post is ultimately going to drive engagement in a way
Speaker 7: that can be part of a company saving business plan,
Speaker 7: but it can definitely make him get the warm fuzzies
Speaker 7: for a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, right right right? What does pizzagate that crew? Like,
Speaker 1: what are they doing right now? Where are they in
Speaker 1: this world?
Speaker 4: Are they? How campaigning for Trump? Are they?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you've got that guy who looks
Speaker 1: like JFK who pretends to be he doesn't look like him,
Speaker 1: but he pretends to be the reincarnation of JFK Junior.
Speaker 1: Are they all in on RFK? I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not a huge group, but it's Trump's base.
Speaker 7: It is Trump's and it remains Trump space. These are
Speaker 7: Trump people. These are not the Nikki Hayley voters. These
Speaker 7: are the people who are all in on this cult
Speaker 7: of personality. And you know, you ask where they now?
Speaker 7: Are they like campaigning for Trump? I don't see them
Speaker 7: so much really digging into the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 7: electoral politics where I see them is actually like in
Speaker 7: school board meetings.
Speaker 4: The Moms for Liberty crew.
Speaker 7: Right right, And I think there's actually, you know, I
Speaker 7: think there's something to be noted here about this Pizzagate
Speaker 7: panic about children and innocence and trafficking rising at a
Speaker 7: moment where there's a very savvy political effort to denonize
Speaker 7: LGBTQ people with this fear about you know, the gays
Speaker 7: are coming for your children, They're going to corrupt them sexually,
Speaker 7: and that's why we need to pull all the books
Speaker 7: out of the library. So, you know, I think I
Speaker 7: think there's probably two fronts to this approach, and one
Speaker 7: is you know, the just outright explicitly Pizzagate stuff, and
Speaker 7: the other is you know, a much more respectable, accepted
Speaker 7: school board politics, which does have a lot of the
Speaker 7: same messaging and implication.
Speaker 1: There are definitely members of Congress who are kind of
Speaker 1: cuan on adjacent. Talk to me about who they are
Speaker 1: and kind of what they look like.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know a lot of new Congress members have
Speaker 7: got a lot of influence by either outright endorsing some
Speaker 7: of QAnon's central claims or winking at them. Most obviously
Speaker 7: is Marjorie Taylor Green, who has endorsed QAnon like very
Speaker 7: explicitly in old social media posts, and these days she'll say, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, I was fooled, I was taken in. But
Speaker 7: she and a lot of the other folks who endorse
Speaker 7: this kind of thing never really deny the central allegations,
Speaker 7: which is this massive conspiracy against Trump and everyone who
Speaker 7: opposes Trump is part of a trafficking ring, and we're
Speaker 7: going to reclaim the country and really fascist terms. You know,
Speaker 7: all of our enemies are going to be thrown into gitmo.
Speaker 7: You know, Marjorie Taylor Green, by virtue of like literally
Speaker 7: endorsing qune On at one point, is probably the vanguard
Speaker 7: of NETT. But honestly, I think one of its biggest
Speaker 7: promoters is Trump himself. You look at his truth social
Speaker 7: and he is just straight up posting like what do
Speaker 7: you call it, retreating people with qNaN stuff. You know,
Speaker 7: he's sharing image macros with himself and like a queue
Speaker 7: over the face. He's using the same language about you know,
Speaker 7: imprisoning his enemies and everything.
Speaker 6: So it's like a few years ago, I would.
Speaker 7: Have been I don't know, on Hilert for Congress members
Speaker 7: who maybe explicitly endorse qnon on Facebook before they were running.
Speaker 7: In these days, I'm like, I feel like the message
Speaker 7: of QAnon has pervaded the GOP so thoroughly that it's
Speaker 7: like a lot of this is de facto QAnon, right.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of this is them pretending to
Speaker 1: do whatever you think the base.
Speaker 7: Likes, right, absolutely, And that's like, I think that's probably
Speaker 7: a real conundrum for Republicans. It's like a lot of
Speaker 7: them are fewer now, but you know, they maybe got
Speaker 7: into politics on the idea that I'm going to be
Speaker 7: a fiscal conservative and we need lower taxes, and their
Speaker 7: bases are like, yeah, that's cool. I actually heard that
Speaker 7: the superintendent is trafficking children out of the basement of
Speaker 7: the library and that's why we need to shut down
Speaker 7: public schools. It's like, that's quite the base to have
Speaker 7: to pander to, and I think some politicians have taken
Speaker 7: that on board with their messaging.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about your newsletter.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So a couple months ago, I launched a newsletter
Speaker 7: called Mom Left. It's a new newsletter for moms on
Speaker 7: the left, and I've been using it to chronicle some
Speaker 7: of the kind of school board craziness that's been blowing
Speaker 7: up this past year and will certainly continue.
Speaker 6: Over twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: Since I've become a mom, I've really noticed that there's
Speaker 7: an increased political emphasis on mothers and their role in politics. So,
Speaker 7: you know this is coming at a time when Mom's
Speaker 7: for Liberty is gating influence.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the recent Moms for Liberty scandal?
Speaker 6: Oh, my goodness today, Yes.
Speaker 1: The Florida Republican chair Christian Ziggler and his wife tell
Speaker 1: me who she is, what she is, and what the
Speaker 1: story there is.
Speaker 6: Absolutely so.
Speaker 7: Bridget Ziggler is sort of a Florida education mover and shaker.
Speaker 7: She was one of the founders of Moms for Liberty,
Speaker 7: this far right education group. She is no longer with
Speaker 7: the group, and they'll be like really picky. They're like,
Speaker 7: oh no, no, no, no, she's not with us now.
Speaker 4: She created it.
Speaker 6: She created it.
Speaker 7: She's like on their founding documents and you can dig
Speaker 7: through her history. You know she tried previously before Moms
Speaker 7: for Liberty to get far right education groups off the ground.
Speaker 7: Her more recent educational history is that she has been
Speaker 7: working really in lockstep with the Desantiska from that, which
Speaker 7: in turn is very supportive of moms for liberty to
Speaker 7: push a hard write message in Florida school She was
Speaker 7: on i believe still is on the board of the
Speaker 7: Saratoga Schools. She was on the board of if you recall,
Speaker 7: Ronda Santa's gotten this insane feud with Disney World and
Speaker 7: decided he had to have a board to oversee them.
Speaker 7: She's on that and her husband, Christian was very recently
Speaker 7: appointed chair of the Florida GOP.
Speaker 6: Now what has just come out today is.
Speaker 7: That the Zigglers are allegedly part I'm not sure the
Speaker 7: depths of each of their attachment to the other party.
Speaker 4: They may be in a consensual thropple.
Speaker 6: It seems like, yeah, there's some swinging going on there.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there may be larger swinging. And we are
Speaker 1: not here to cast dispersions on where people's weird sexual piccadillos.
Speaker 1: But we are here to cast dispersions on domestic violence,
Speaker 1: which is what this foraid into.
Speaker 6: Absolutely so.
Speaker 7: So, we have a partly redacted criminal complaint from last
Speaker 7: month alleging sexual battery by Christian Ziggler. The woman in
Speaker 7: the complaint accuses him or you know, one of the
Speaker 7: unredacted portions. References rape, it references sexual assault. It doesn't
Speaker 7: appear the bridget Ziglar was present at the time of it.
Speaker 7: But I mean, damn right, and I.
Speaker 4: Think more importantly beating women up.
Speaker 1: You know that's not okay, Finish up with the newsletter,
Speaker 1: tell us rest the newsletter.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this newsletter has been so fun to write because,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm realizing how much of American politics can
Speaker 7: actually be viewed through this lens of being a mom.
Speaker 7: You know, it comes down to local politics. As far
Speaker 7: as these school board battles going, they're getting more intense,
Speaker 7: They're becoming proxies for all kinds of American political dilemmas.
Speaker 7: And I'm also really interested in the economic nuts and
Speaker 7: bolts of it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: I know a lot of American families are struggling to
Speaker 7: make ends meet, and there are so many really interesting
Speaker 7: policy proposals that can make that easier for folks. It's
Speaker 7: just it's been an interesting project for me, kind of
Speaker 7: navigating this world as a mom, as someone who is
Speaker 7: maybe psychotically invested in politics, and seeing where those two
Speaker 7: things meet, and certainly following the course of that because
Speaker 7: I know it's only going to get crazier as we
Speaker 7: get into twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Cali.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Fred Krupp is the president of the Environmental Defense Fund.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 2: Fred, delighted to be here about it.
Speaker 4: There's a pretty.
Speaker 1: Huge climate conference happening this week.
Speaker 4: Talk to me about how that's relevant to what you do,
Speaker 4: and tell us a little bit about what it is
Speaker 4: you do well.
Speaker 3: The Environmental Defense Fund has been working on climate change
Speaker 3: for decades now. It's the biggest thing we work on.
Speaker 3: It's almost all we work on.
Speaker 7: Us.
Speaker 2: If we don't.
Speaker 3: Solve climate change, you know, we're all in deep trouble,
Speaker 3: even many of us underwater literally. So we have a
Speaker 3: crisis situation on our hands. We need urgent action, and
Speaker 3: the international COP process has been way too slow, and
Speaker 3: so you know, what we've been working on, of course
Speaker 3: for the last year is to try to make this
Speaker 3: COP twenty eight, which is now ongoing, super productive.
Speaker 1: It's in Dubai, which again we've talked about that that
Speaker 1: is a little bit perhaps counterintuitive.
Speaker 4: But I think that the point here is.
Speaker 1: That you got to get oil companies involved in this, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, many people have looked at the process and
Speaker 3: these cops these meetings rotate around the world, so this
Speaker 3: year it was the Middle East turn to host it
Speaker 3: and the nation that was selected as an oil rich
Speaker 3: company the United Arab Emirates, and the chairman of the
Speaker 3: cops UP has been roundly criticized for not only being
Speaker 3: chairman of the cop but also the CEO of.
Speaker 2: An oil company. We look at.
Speaker 3: That situation back in January and decided to be a
Speaker 3: relentlessly pragmatic about it. It's up to the UAE who
Speaker 3: they appoint as chairman. We understand the criticism absolutely and
Speaker 3: at the same time look at it as an opportunity
Speaker 3: to take advantage of the fact that a doctor Sultan
Speaker 3: is very respected within the oil industry by other oil
Speaker 3: company CEOs. And if we could get these companies that
Speaker 3: are putting so much methane pollution in the air to
Speaker 3: reach an agreement to dramatically cut that methane pollution, that
Speaker 3: would be a big win. Now, Molly, it doesn't solve
Speaker 3: climate change, it's just one of the things that needs
Speaker 3: to happen. But because methane is so you know, potent,
Speaker 3: which I'm happy to explain, if you'd like it's actually
Speaker 3: a big deal.
Speaker 4: Let's not bury the lead.
Speaker 1: Hear, you're the president of EDF and there's a big
Speaker 1: thing that you guys have announced last weekend. So explain
Speaker 1: to us what it is and why it's meaningful.
Speaker 3: Well, on Saturday, doctor Sultan announced that forty nine leading
Speaker 3: oil companies, including nationally owned oil companies and international oil companies,
Speaker 3: have agreed to three key things. One is to reduce
Speaker 3: their methane emissions by what we calculate will be for
Speaker 3: many of these companies eighty or ninety percent. Two that
Speaker 3: they have agreed to do it within five years, not
Speaker 3: by some far away date by twenty fifty, but now.
Speaker 3: And three that the soil companies have agreed to submit
Speaker 3: monitoring and test data to verify that they achieved this
Speaker 3: reduction to an independent third party agency. So that will
Speaker 3: be one level of accountability, not the only level. So
Speaker 3: that's the big news that happened Saturday into.
Speaker 4: Us what methane is and what it does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why methane matters? Well, this has been a kind
Speaker 3: of a hidden secret, and most people who know a
Speaker 3: lot and care a lot about climate change think that
Speaker 3: it's all carbon dioxide, but in fact about a third
Speaker 3: of the global warming that we're experiencing right now is
Speaker 3: caused by methane. And when we look forward at the
Speaker 3: pollution that is now being put in the air, methane
Speaker 3: from anthropogenic sources, human sources will business our economy. Methane
Speaker 3: put into the air, say in twenty twenty three or
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, will warm the planet about as much
Speaker 3: as all the CO two from burning all the fossil
Speaker 3: fuels on the planet for the next decade. Now, the
Speaker 3: CO two is important because it keeps warming a planet
Speaker 3: for one hundred years, so it's going to be important
Speaker 3: for our great great great grandchildren. But in terms of
Speaker 3: the next ten is what you and I will see.
Speaker 3: It turns out methane. By cutting methane, we can have
Speaker 3: a really immediate impact and lower the temperatures that we
Speaker 3: would otherwise see, lower the ferocity of storms that will
Speaker 3: otherwise experience in this next decade. And so that's why
Speaker 3: methane is so important. And the oil and gas industry,
Speaker 3: unfortunately is the biggest industrial source on the planet of
Speaker 3: methane emissions.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about this a little more
Speaker 1: because I think it's really relevant and important. Can you
Speaker 1: explain to us how oil and gas companies release methane.
Speaker 3: Sure, when the oil companies are taking oil and also
Speaker 3: natural gas out of the ground, the natural gas to
Speaker 3: be called natural gas, it has to be about ninety
Speaker 3: percent methane. That's basically what natural gas is. It's methane.
Speaker 3: But when they're taking it out of the ground and
Speaker 3: shipping it around and processing it amounds. Week before the
Speaker 3: Environmental Defense Fund began me measuring it, the oil companies
Speaker 3: said that.
Speaker 2: Very little leaked.
Speaker 3: Once we measured it, we found out that the amount
Speaker 3: that was being reported to EPA in the United States
Speaker 3: was off right. The companies actually leaked sixty percent zero
Speaker 3: percent more than they were reporting.
Speaker 1: So you can't really trust And again I'm saying this,
Speaker 1: you don't have to agree with me, but I just
Speaker 1: need to sort of.
Speaker 4: Net this out.
Speaker 1: So basically, you can't really trust that the oil and
Speaker 1: gas companies are going to monitor themselves.
Speaker 3: And we're not going to. That's why we also announced
Speaker 3: on Saturday, with tremendous support from Mike Bloomberg, a twenty
Speaker 3: five million dollar gift to forty million dollars in new
Speaker 3: money overall that Mike Bloomberg announced On Saturday, we announced
Speaker 3: an accountability partnership with the International Energy Agency and a
Speaker 3: UN body called the United Nations Environmental Programs, International Methane
Speaker 3: and Missions Observatory and DF We've got a new accountability
Speaker 3: project and edf's part of that is we are launching
Speaker 3: a satellite next year that we'll be able to look
Speaker 3: at all the major eighty percent of the major oil
Speaker 3: and gas infrastructure on the planet multiple times every week,
Speaker 3: and we'll be able to see which companies are meeting
Speaker 3: their promises and which one of these aren't, and working
Speaker 3: with IMEO and the International Energy Agency IEA, we will
Speaker 3: be jointly holding them accountabil because you're absolutely right, many
Speaker 3: things have been said by many different industries at these
Speaker 3: cops in the past that don't come true, and so
Speaker 3: we've built into this the first level of accountability that
Speaker 3: the companies have to submit their own tests for independent
Speaker 3: third party validation, and a second level of accountability with
Speaker 3: these other partners and including data from a satellite that
Speaker 3: called Methane SAT that the Environmental Defense Fund is launching
Speaker 3: early next year. What we find out, Molly, every human
Speaker 3: being on the planet who has access to the Internet
Speaker 3: will be able to see a near real time what
Speaker 3: each of these companies are doing, what methane is being
Speaker 3: released all over the world. Because we're making this a
Speaker 3: data not available to just governments or just the companies,
Speaker 3: but governments, companies, and every human being who can access
Speaker 3: the Internet.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's a failure on the part of
Speaker 1: climate activists, and again they have their hands fold but
Speaker 1: people don't really understand why methane is so dangerous.
Speaker 4: But the note of it really is that.
Speaker 1: Methane will heat the atmosphere much faster, over eighty times
Speaker 1: faster than CO two pound per pound, So it's tremendously potent,
Speaker 1: and more and more environmentalists do understand that, but it's
Speaker 1: true that not everyone does.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't only come from the oil and gas industry,
Speaker 3: by the way, it also comes from coal moniting, it
Speaker 3: comes from landfills, and it comes from agriculture and cows.
Speaker 3: Cows are a big source.
Speaker 4: Livestock is yeah.
Speaker 1: But the cows are still only like twenty five percent, right,
Speaker 1: Most of it is oil and gas, coal, landfills.
Speaker 3: Well, Actually, agriculture in total is about the same as
Speaker 3: the fossil fuel contribution, and so agriculture is important and
Speaker 3: the biggest part of agriculture is cows, so you know,
Speaker 3: people make jokes about it. It is the burps that
Speaker 3: from the cow's mouth that caused the biggest part of
Speaker 3: the problem by far. But there's something we can do
Speaker 3: about that too. In fact, one of the biggest dairy
Speaker 3: companies in the world, they pronounce it in France Dano.
Speaker 3: In the United States we say DAN. They had reached
Speaker 3: an agreement which we announced the CEO of DAN on
Speaker 3: Nedup and nounce in January of this year that they
Speaker 3: are going to reduce from their fifty eight thousand arms
Speaker 3: that supply them with milk, they're going to reduce their
Speaker 3: methane emissions by thirty percent. Again, not by some far
Speaker 3: away date like twenty eight fifty, but by twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: And so that also will make a difference in the
Speaker 3: temperature's you and I experience in this next decade.
Speaker 1: But I also think that this satellite will create accountability.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, the satellite is key to accountability. There are
Speaker 3: other methane satellites, but this is one that gives us
Speaker 3: a comprehensive total of methane emissions, an area wide total
Speaker 3: that is unique because it can see what we call
Speaker 3: diffuse emissions and a little technical maybe, but you know
Speaker 3: when we flew, when we use the same instrument in
Speaker 3: an airplane and we glew over the oil basins in
Speaker 3: the United States, we found that most of the methane
Speaker 3: emissions are from leaking seals on compressors or pipes that
Speaker 3: have small leaks in them, or other chronic small leaks
Speaker 3: that together make up for the majority of.
Speaker 4: Methane that's submitted.
Speaker 3: In fact, in one basin called the U Winter Basin
Speaker 3: in Utah, eighty eight percent of the weeks from the
Speaker 3: oil and gas industry are from these diffuse sources. And
Speaker 3: the beauty of the satellite it it's the only satellite
Speaker 3: that we'll be able to measure that part of the total.
Speaker 3: And so when that's eighty eight percent of the totally,
Speaker 3: you know, this is a unique instrument with unique capabilities
Speaker 3: that really help us hold this industry accountable.
Speaker 4: Who are the oil companies that have made this pledge?
Speaker 3: Forty nine companies have pledged to reduce their methane by
Speaker 3: what we calculate will be eighty to ninety percent, and
Speaker 3: they include the biggest oil companies in the world like
Speaker 3: Aramco and the second biggest oil company in the world, Exon.
Speaker 3: These two companies have been resistant to the idea of
Speaker 3: third party monitoring and verification, joining a UN organization called OGMP.
Speaker 3: These companies have only recently agreed to sign this pledge
Speaker 3: and ex agreed last week to this level of accountability.
Speaker 2: So that's a breakthrough.
Speaker 3: But in addition to those, the majority of these companies
Speaker 3: are nationally owned oil companies like the Nigeria National Oil
Speaker 3: Company and many many others, and those companies are actually
Speaker 3: responsible for producing the majority of oil and gas in
Speaker 3: the planet and a disproportionate amount of the methane emissions.
Speaker 3: So that's what makes this big step forward so good.
Speaker 3: But Molly, I have to say, because all of us know,
Speaker 3: we have to move off of fossil fuels fast. We
Speaker 3: have to accelerate the move to clean energy, to solwar,
Speaker 3: to win power, geothermal and other sources of zero carbon
Speaker 3: enery energy, nuclear my view, needs to be on the table.
Speaker 3: It's got to be safe. It can have proliferation concerns.
Speaker 3: We have to solve those challenges. But as we move
Speaker 3: as fast as we can to truly clean sources of
Speaker 3: energy in a way from fossil fuels, we're still driving
Speaker 3: gasoline powered cards for a while, heating homes for a
Speaker 3: while with fossil fuels, So for the next decade or
Speaker 3: so or more, while we try to stop using these
Speaker 3: fuels as much as we can, as fast as we can,
Speaker 3: making sure the methane doesn't continue to poison our planet
Speaker 3: and cause these ferocious storms. That's critically important as we
Speaker 3: move away from fossil fuels, you have to do both.
Speaker 4: How can people find out more about this.
Speaker 3: Well, they can go to edf's website, which is simply
Speaker 3: EEDF dot org, and we have pages on both methane
Speaker 3: and methane SAT. You also sign up for our letter
Speaker 3: and we'll keep folks informed.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. This is really important.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Molly.
Speaker 1: The moment, Rick Wilson, you are a special fuckery gast.
Speaker 2: Today's moment of fuckery here on Fast Politics, brought to
Speaker 2: you by Rick Wilson, is my absolutely favorite story that
Speaker 2: I've seen in months, weeks, maybe this year. In Florida,
Speaker 2: the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, Christian.
Speaker 4: Ze Brot Yere.
Speaker 2: And his wife Bridget Ziegler. And here's folks, where it
Speaker 2: gets really delicious. She's the founder of Moms for Liberty.
Speaker 4: Yes, perhaps you'll remember Moms for Libor day.
Speaker 2: They were involved in a long running thrupple with another
Speaker 2: woman and apparently Christian decided that he was going to
Speaker 2: go in solo on her. And now there is a
Speaker 2: police investigation going on down there accusing him of sexual battery, rape,
Speaker 2: and illegally taping their sex acts. So it's always the
Speaker 2: rule of the Republican Party. The more conservative and evangelical
Speaker 2: and hyper busy body they are about how other people
Speaker 2: are screwing, the more likely they are to have a
Speaker 2: closet full of gimpsuits, butt plugs, and a variety of
Speaker 2: other shady shit in their lives that absolutely puts the
Speaker 2: lie to their Christian values. And Christian Ziegler is a
Speaker 2: guy who is always very quick to meet out in
Speaker 2: front on defending the Santis, attacking Disney, calling people pedophiles,
Speaker 2: all this shit, and yet somehow now he is an
Speaker 2: accused sexual assaulter, rapist and thropple officionado and bridget Ziegler
Speaker 2: of Moms for Liberty who really wants to save the
Speaker 2: children from the smut and the poor nog Griffe she's
Speaker 2: recording herself having sex with a woman. So I got
Speaker 2: a couple of questions here at the discomfort level in
Speaker 2: Florida Republican politics right now is so stratospheric because I'll
Speaker 2: tell you a funny little secret. There are two things
Speaker 2: Tallahassee does better than anywhere else in the country. And
Speaker 2: I don't know why this is the case. And I
Speaker 2: caveat this by saying, I have not personally experienced either
Speaker 2: of these things. But Tallahassee does swingers, orgies, and high
Speaker 2: quality cocaine better than anywhere else I've ever heard of.
Speaker 2: This place is a hive of scum and villainy. And
Speaker 2: this story is not over, and it's delicious and I'm
Speaker 2: going to eat it up every day.
Speaker 4: Jesse Cannon by jug.
Speaker 2: Fast Diva down.
Speaker 5: George Santos has been expelled from Congress and he is
Speaker 5: spilling the tea.
Speaker 2: What are you seeing here?
Speaker 1: He has the origin story that every batman villain has,
Speaker 1: where he has decided that now that he has been
Speaker 1: removed from Congress, this hasn't happened in about twenty years,
Speaker 1: he is going to go after all of his former colleagues.
Speaker 1: Let me give you the list here, Jamal Bowman, Robert
Speaker 1: Menendez Junior, Nick Loloda, Brandon Williams, Mike Lawler, and he
Speaker 1: has reserved a little bit of special ire for the
Speaker 1: Republican congresswoman from Staten Island, Nicole Micketaco, calling her Nicole
Speaker 1: Mallio stock tips.
Speaker 5: Should we bet you that he also tried to out
Speaker 5: her as a homosexual?
Speaker 4: Did she's gay?
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that. It's George Santos. He's full
Speaker 2: of shit about everything anyway.
Speaker 1: For Farragamo's shoes, Botox OnlyFans, ermavs, George Santos, I love
Speaker 1: that man.
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