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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Ron DeSantis, Pact President, resigned the

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Speaker 1: host of the Enemy's List, the Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, your friend and mine whatever,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Hi up, Rick Wilson, and thanks for joining us today

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Speaker 2: on Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that debate last night, Ron dez

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Speaker 2: I have to say this, I tweeted earlier in the

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Speaker 2: though I was so wrong.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we have the Rick Wilson dirty talk here.

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Speaker 4: He's like, when you get.

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Speaker 1: To a certain level of political acumen, Rick Wilson, is

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Speaker 2: It's true. I believed that last night would just be

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Speaker 2: three important things last night. Ron DeSantis' consultants and staff

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Speaker 2: I am saying that every person who receives a paycheck

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy got whipped up and down the

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Speaker 1: But the thing I was struck by with Newsom, which

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Speaker 2: Well, you bifer kate the question first. Gavin has become

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Speaker 1: Here's the sentence I would like to have never had

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Speaker 6: It is way more than your brain cells deserve.

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Speaker 1: And it's charts with the pizzeria that was owned by

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Speaker 7: So they really homed in on this DC pizzeria that

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Speaker 4: Comet Ping Pong is the pizza there good?

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Speaker 7: whole bunch of nutjubs on the Internet got really worked

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Speaker 7: It got whipped into such a fever pitch that a

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Speaker 7: So? Elon has always been like kind of a conspiracy dabbler.

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Speaker 7: Right, Exactly all these people want is attention, and I

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Speaker 6: Be like Pizzagate is real.

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Speaker 7: It's like, so to get the richest man in the

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Speaker 6: That is frime time.

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Speaker 6: They're jumping for joy about this.

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Speaker 7: A lot of them are kind of re upping old

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Speaker 7: Pizzagate content that was never taken seriously before, is not

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Speaker 7: I would never presume to know what's going on in

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Speaker 1: Is this a conspiracy, Like, is he doing this just

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Speaker 7: I think Elon, just like Trump, is like pathologically compelled

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Speaker 7: he needs that dopamine, he needs his reactions and everything

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Speaker 4: I mean, but it drives engagement.

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Speaker 7: but it can definitely make him get the warm fuzzies

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Speaker 1: Bit, right right right? What does pizzagate that crew? Like,

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Speaker 1: what are they doing right now? Where are they in

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Speaker 4: Are they? How campaigning for Trump? Are they?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you've got that guy who looks

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Speaker 7: of personality. And you know, you ask where they now?

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Speaker 7: Are they like campaigning for Trump? I don't see them

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Speaker 7: so much really digging into the nuts and bolts of

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Speaker 7: electoral politics where I see them is actually like in

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Speaker 7: school board meetings.

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Speaker 4: The Moms for Liberty crew.

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Speaker 7: Right right, And I think there's actually, you know, I

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Speaker 7: think there's something to be noted here about this Pizzagate

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Speaker 7: panic about children and innocence and trafficking rising at a

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Speaker 7: moment where there's a very savvy political effort to denonize

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Speaker 7: LGBTQ people with this fear about you know, the gays

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Speaker 7: are coming for your children, They're going to corrupt them sexually,

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Speaker 7: and that's why we need to pull all the books

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Speaker 7: out of the library. So, you know, I think I

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Speaker 7: think there's probably two fronts to this approach, and one

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Speaker 7: is you know, the just outright explicitly Pizzagate stuff, and

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Speaker 7: the other is you know, a much more respectable, accepted

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Speaker 7: school board politics, which does have a lot of the

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Speaker 7: same messaging and implication.

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Speaker 1: There are definitely members of Congress who are kind of

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Speaker 1: cuan on adjacent. Talk to me about who they are

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Speaker 1: and kind of what they look like.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know a lot of new Congress members have

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Speaker 7: got a lot of influence by either outright endorsing some

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Speaker 7: of QAnon's central claims or winking at them. Most obviously

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Speaker 7: is Marjorie Taylor Green, who has endorsed QAnon like very

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Speaker 7: explicitly in old social media posts, and these days she'll say, oh,

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Speaker 7: you know, I was fooled, I was taken in. But

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Speaker 7: she and a lot of the other folks who endorse

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Speaker 7: this kind of thing never really deny the central allegations,

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Speaker 7: which is this massive conspiracy against Trump and everyone who

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Speaker 7: opposes Trump is part of a trafficking ring, and we're

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Speaker 7: going to reclaim the country and really fascist terms. You know,

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Speaker 7: all of our enemies are going to be thrown into gitmo.

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Speaker 7: You know, Marjorie Taylor Green, by virtue of like literally

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Speaker 7: endorsing qune On at one point, is probably the vanguard

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Speaker 7: of NETT. But honestly, I think one of its biggest

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Speaker 7: promoters is Trump himself. You look at his truth social

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Speaker 7: and he is just straight up posting like what do

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Speaker 7: you call it, retreating people with qNaN stuff. You know,

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Speaker 7: he's sharing image macros with himself and like a queue

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Speaker 7: over the face. He's using the same language about you know,

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Speaker 7: imprisoning his enemies and everything.

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Speaker 6: So it's like a few years ago, I would.

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Speaker 7: Have been I don't know, on Hilert for Congress members

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Speaker 7: who maybe explicitly endorse qnon on Facebook before they were running.

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Speaker 7: In these days, I'm like, I feel like the message

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Speaker 7: of QAnon has pervaded the GOP so thoroughly that it's

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Speaker 7: like a lot of this is de facto QAnon, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of this is them pretending to

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Speaker 1: do whatever you think the base.

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Speaker 7: Likes, right, absolutely, And that's like, I think that's probably

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Speaker 7: a real conundrum for Republicans. It's like a lot of

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Speaker 7: them are fewer now, but you know, they maybe got

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Speaker 7: into politics on the idea that I'm going to be

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Speaker 7: a fiscal conservative and we need lower taxes, and their

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Speaker 7: bases are like, yeah, that's cool. I actually heard that

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Speaker 7: the superintendent is trafficking children out of the basement of

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Speaker 7: the library and that's why we need to shut down

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Speaker 7: public schools. It's like, that's quite the base to have

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Speaker 7: to pander to, and I think some politicians have taken

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Speaker 7: that on board with their messaging.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about your newsletter.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So a couple months ago, I launched a newsletter

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Speaker 7: called Mom Left. It's a new newsletter for moms on

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Speaker 7: the left, and I've been using it to chronicle some

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Speaker 7: of the kind of school board craziness that's been blowing

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Speaker 7: up this past year and will certainly continue.

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Speaker 6: Over twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: Since I've become a mom, I've really noticed that there's

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Speaker 7: an increased political emphasis on mothers and their role in politics. So,

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Speaker 7: you know this is coming at a time when Mom's

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Speaker 7: for Liberty is gating influence.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about the recent Moms for Liberty scandal?

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Speaker 6: Oh, my goodness today, Yes.

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Speaker 1: The Florida Republican chair Christian Ziggler and his wife tell

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Speaker 1: me who she is, what she is, and what the

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Speaker 1: story there is.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 7: Bridget Ziggler is sort of a Florida education mover and shaker.

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Speaker 7: She was one of the founders of Moms for Liberty,

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Speaker 7: this far right education group. She is no longer with

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Speaker 7: the group, and they'll be like really picky. They're like,

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Speaker 7: oh no, no, no, no, she's not with us now.

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Speaker 4: She created it.

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Speaker 6: She created it.

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Speaker 7: She's like on their founding documents and you can dig

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Speaker 7: through her history. You know she tried previously before Moms

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Speaker 7: for Liberty to get far right education groups off the ground.

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Speaker 7: Her more recent educational history is that she has been

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Speaker 7: working really in lockstep with the Desantiska from that, which

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Speaker 7: in turn is very supportive of moms for liberty to

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Speaker 7: push a hard write message in Florida school She was

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Speaker 7: on i believe still is on the board of the

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Speaker 7: Saratoga Schools. She was on the board of if you recall,

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Speaker 7: Ronda Santa's gotten this insane feud with Disney World and

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Speaker 7: decided he had to have a board to oversee them.

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Speaker 7: She's on that and her husband, Christian was very recently

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Speaker 7: appointed chair of the Florida GOP.

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Speaker 6: Now what has just come out today is.

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Speaker 7: That the Zigglers are allegedly part I'm not sure the

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Speaker 7: depths of each of their attachment to the other party.

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Speaker 4: They may be in a consensual thropple.

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Speaker 6: It seems like, yeah, there's some swinging going on there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and there may be larger swinging. And we are

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Speaker 1: not here to cast dispersions on where people's weird sexual piccadillos.

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Speaker 1: But we are here to cast dispersions on domestic violence,

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Speaker 1: which is what this foraid into.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 7: So, we have a partly redacted criminal complaint from last

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Speaker 7: month alleging sexual battery by Christian Ziggler. The woman in

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Speaker 7: the complaint accuses him or you know, one of the

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Speaker 7: unredacted portions. References rape, it references sexual assault. It doesn't

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Speaker 7: appear the bridget Ziglar was present at the time of it.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, damn right, and I.

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Speaker 4: Think more importantly beating women up.

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Speaker 1: You know that's not okay, Finish up with the newsletter,

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Speaker 1: tell us rest the newsletter.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this newsletter has been so fun to write because,

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Speaker 7: you know, I'm realizing how much of American politics can

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Speaker 7: actually be viewed through this lens of being a mom.

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Speaker 7: You know, it comes down to local politics. As far

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Speaker 7: as these school board battles going, they're getting more intense,

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Speaker 7: They're becoming proxies for all kinds of American political dilemmas.

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Speaker 7: And I'm also really interested in the economic nuts and

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Speaker 7: bolts of it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: I know a lot of American families are struggling to

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Speaker 7: make ends meet, and there are so many really interesting

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Speaker 7: policy proposals that can make that easier for folks. It's

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Speaker 7: just it's been an interesting project for me, kind of

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Speaker 7: navigating this world as a mom, as someone who is

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Speaker 7: maybe psychotically invested in politics, and seeing where those two

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Speaker 7: things meet, and certainly following the course of that because

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Speaker 7: I know it's only going to get crazier as we

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Speaker 7: get into twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Cali.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Fred Krupp is the president of the Environmental Defense Fund.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 2: Fred, delighted to be here about it.

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Speaker 4: There's a pretty.

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Speaker 1: Huge climate conference happening this week.

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Speaker 4: Talk to me about how that's relevant to what you do,

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Speaker 4: and tell us a little bit about what it is

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Speaker 4: you do well.

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Speaker 3: The Environmental Defense Fund has been working on climate change

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Speaker 3: for decades now. It's the biggest thing we work on.

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Speaker 3: It's almost all we work on.

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Speaker 7: Us.

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Speaker 2: If we don't.

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Speaker 3: Solve climate change, you know, we're all in deep trouble,

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Speaker 3: even many of us underwater literally. So we have a

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Speaker 3: crisis situation on our hands. We need urgent action, and

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Speaker 3: the international COP process has been way too slow, and

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Speaker 3: so you know, what we've been working on, of course

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Speaker 3: for the last year is to try to make this

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Speaker 3: COP twenty eight, which is now ongoing, super productive.

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Speaker 1: It's in Dubai, which again we've talked about that that

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Speaker 1: is a little bit perhaps counterintuitive.

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Speaker 4: But I think that the point here is.

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Speaker 1: That you got to get oil companies involved in this, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, many people have looked at the process and

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Speaker 3: these cops these meetings rotate around the world, so this

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Speaker 3: year it was the Middle East turn to host it

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Speaker 3: and the nation that was selected as an oil rich

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Speaker 3: company the United Arab Emirates, and the chairman of the

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Speaker 3: cops UP has been roundly criticized for not only being

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Speaker 3: chairman of the cop but also the CEO of.

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Speaker 2: An oil company. We look at.

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Speaker 3: That situation back in January and decided to be a

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Speaker 3: relentlessly pragmatic about it. It's up to the UAE who

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Speaker 3: they appoint as chairman. We understand the criticism absolutely and

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Speaker 3: at the same time look at it as an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to take advantage of the fact that a doctor Sultan

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Speaker 3: is very respected within the oil industry by other oil

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Speaker 3: company CEOs. And if we could get these companies that

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Speaker 3: are putting so much methane pollution in the air to

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Speaker 3: reach an agreement to dramatically cut that methane pollution, that

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Speaker 3: would be a big win. Now, Molly, it doesn't solve

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Speaker 3: climate change, it's just one of the things that needs

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Speaker 3: to happen. But because methane is so you know, potent,

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Speaker 3: which I'm happy to explain, if you'd like it's actually

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Speaker 3: a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Let's not bury the lead.

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Speaker 1: Hear, you're the president of EDF and there's a big

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Speaker 1: thing that you guys have announced last weekend. So explain

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Speaker 1: to us what it is and why it's meaningful.

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Speaker 3: Well, on Saturday, doctor Sultan announced that forty nine leading

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Speaker 3: oil companies, including nationally owned oil companies and international oil companies,

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Speaker 3: have agreed to three key things. One is to reduce

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Speaker 3: their methane emissions by what we calculate will be for

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Speaker 3: many of these companies eighty or ninety percent. Two that

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Speaker 3: they have agreed to do it within five years, not

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Speaker 3: by some far away date by twenty fifty, but now.

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Speaker 3: And three that the soil companies have agreed to submit

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Speaker 3: monitoring and test data to verify that they achieved this

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Speaker 3: reduction to an independent third party agency. So that will

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Speaker 3: be one level of accountability, not the only level. So

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Speaker 3: that's the big news that happened Saturday into.

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Speaker 4: Us what methane is and what it does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why methane matters? Well, this has been a kind

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Speaker 3: of a hidden secret, and most people who know a

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Speaker 3: lot and care a lot about climate change think that

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Speaker 3: it's all carbon dioxide, but in fact about a third

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Speaker 3: of the global warming that we're experiencing right now is

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Speaker 3: caused by methane. And when we look forward at the

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Speaker 3: pollution that is now being put in the air, methane

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Speaker 3: from anthropogenic sources, human sources will business our economy. Methane

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Speaker 3: put into the air, say in twenty twenty three or

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, will warm the planet about as much

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Speaker 3: as all the CO two from burning all the fossil

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Speaker 3: fuels on the planet for the next decade. Now, the

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Speaker 3: CO two is important because it keeps warming a planet

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Speaker 3: for one hundred years, so it's going to be important

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Speaker 3: for our great great great grandchildren. But in terms of

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Speaker 3: the next ten is what you and I will see.

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Speaker 3: It turns out methane. By cutting methane, we can have

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Speaker 3: a really immediate impact and lower the temperatures that we

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Speaker 3: would otherwise see, lower the ferocity of storms that will

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Speaker 3: otherwise experience in this next decade. And so that's why

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Speaker 3: methane is so important. And the oil and gas industry,

659
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Speaker 3: unfortunately is the biggest industrial source on the planet of

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Speaker 3: methane emissions.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about this a little more

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Speaker 1: because I think it's really relevant and important. Can you

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Speaker 1: explain to us how oil and gas companies release methane.

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Speaker 3: Sure, when the oil companies are taking oil and also

665
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Speaker 3: natural gas out of the ground, the natural gas to

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Speaker 3: be called natural gas, it has to be about ninety

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Speaker 3: percent methane. That's basically what natural gas is. It's methane.

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Speaker 3: But when they're taking it out of the ground and

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Speaker 3: shipping it around and processing it amounds. Week before the

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Speaker 3: Environmental Defense Fund began me measuring it, the oil companies

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Speaker 3: said that.

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Speaker 2: Very little leaked.

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Speaker 3: Once we measured it, we found out that the amount

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Speaker 3: that was being reported to EPA in the United States

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Speaker 3: was off right. The companies actually leaked sixty percent zero

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Speaker 3: percent more than they were reporting.

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Speaker 1: So you can't really trust And again I'm saying this,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to agree with me, but I just

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Speaker 1: need to sort of.

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Speaker 4: Net this out.

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Speaker 1: So basically, you can't really trust that the oil and

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Speaker 1: gas companies are going to monitor themselves.

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Speaker 3: And we're not going to. That's why we also announced

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Speaker 3: on Saturday, with tremendous support from Mike Bloomberg, a twenty

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Speaker 3: five million dollar gift to forty million dollars in new

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Speaker 3: money overall that Mike Bloomberg announced On Saturday, we announced

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Speaker 3: an accountability partnership with the International Energy Agency and a

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Speaker 3: UN body called the United Nations Environmental Programs, International Methane

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Speaker 3: and Missions Observatory and DF We've got a new accountability

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Speaker 3: project and edf's part of that is we are launching

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Speaker 3: a satellite next year that we'll be able to look

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Speaker 3: at all the major eighty percent of the major oil

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Speaker 3: and gas infrastructure on the planet multiple times every week,

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Speaker 3: and we'll be able to see which companies are meeting

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Speaker 3: their promises and which one of these aren't, and working

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Speaker 3: with IMEO and the International Energy Agency IEA, we will

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Speaker 3: be jointly holding them accountabil because you're absolutely right, many

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Speaker 3: things have been said by many different industries at these

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Speaker 3: cops in the past that don't come true, and so

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Speaker 3: we've built into this the first level of accountability that

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Speaker 3: the companies have to submit their own tests for independent

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Speaker 3: third party validation, and a second level of accountability with

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Speaker 3: these other partners and including data from a satellite that

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Speaker 3: called Methane SAT that the Environmental Defense Fund is launching

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Speaker 3: early next year. What we find out, Molly, every human

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Speaker 3: being on the planet who has access to the Internet

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Speaker 3: will be able to see a near real time what

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Speaker 3: each of these companies are doing, what methane is being

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Speaker 3: released all over the world. Because we're making this a

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Speaker 3: data not available to just governments or just the companies,

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Speaker 3: but governments, companies, and every human being who can access

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Speaker 3: the Internet.

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Speaker 1: It feels like there's a failure on the part of

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Speaker 1: climate activists, and again they have their hands fold but

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Speaker 1: people don't really understand why methane is so dangerous.

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Speaker 4: But the note of it really is that.

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Speaker 1: Methane will heat the atmosphere much faster, over eighty times

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Speaker 1: faster than CO two pound per pound, So it's tremendously potent,

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Speaker 1: and more and more environmentalists do understand that, but it's

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Speaker 1: true that not everyone does.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't only come from the oil and gas industry,

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Speaker 3: by the way, it also comes from coal moniting, it

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Speaker 3: comes from landfills, and it comes from agriculture and cows.

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Speaker 3: Cows are a big source.

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Speaker 4: Livestock is yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the cows are still only like twenty five percent, right,

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Speaker 1: Most of it is oil and gas, coal, landfills.

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Speaker 3: Well, Actually, agriculture in total is about the same as

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Speaker 3: the fossil fuel contribution, and so agriculture is important and

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Speaker 3: the biggest part of agriculture is cows, so you know,

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Speaker 3: people make jokes about it. It is the burps that

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Speaker 3: from the cow's mouth that caused the biggest part of

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Speaker 3: the problem by far. But there's something we can do

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Speaker 3: about that too. In fact, one of the biggest dairy

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Speaker 3: companies in the world, they pronounce it in France Dano.

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Speaker 3: In the United States we say DAN. They had reached

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Speaker 3: an agreement which we announced the CEO of DAN on

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Speaker 3: Nedup and nounce in January of this year that they

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Speaker 3: are going to reduce from their fifty eight thousand arms

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Speaker 3: that supply them with milk, they're going to reduce their

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Speaker 3: methane emissions by thirty percent. Again, not by some far

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Speaker 3: away date like twenty eight fifty, but by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 3: And so that also will make a difference in the

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Speaker 3: temperature's you and I experience in this next decade.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that this satellite will create accountability.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, the satellite is key to accountability. There are

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Speaker 3: other methane satellites, but this is one that gives us

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Speaker 3: a comprehensive total of methane emissions, an area wide total

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Speaker 3: that is unique because it can see what we call

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Speaker 3: diffuse emissions and a little technical maybe, but you know

751
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Speaker 3: when we flew, when we use the same instrument in

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Speaker 3: an airplane and we glew over the oil basins in

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Speaker 3: the United States, we found that most of the methane

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Speaker 3: emissions are from leaking seals on compressors or pipes that

755
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Speaker 3: have small leaks in them, or other chronic small leaks

756
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Speaker 3: that together make up for the majority of.

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Speaker 4: Methane that's submitted.

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Speaker 3: In fact, in one basin called the U Winter Basin

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Speaker 3: in Utah, eighty eight percent of the weeks from the

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Speaker 3: oil and gas industry are from these diffuse sources. And

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Speaker 3: the beauty of the satellite it it's the only satellite

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Speaker 3: that we'll be able to measure that part of the total.

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Speaker 3: And so when that's eighty eight percent of the totally,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is a unique instrument with unique capabilities

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Speaker 3: that really help us hold this industry accountable.

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Speaker 4: Who are the oil companies that have made this pledge?

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Speaker 3: Forty nine companies have pledged to reduce their methane by

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Speaker 3: what we calculate will be eighty to ninety percent, and

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Speaker 3: they include the biggest oil companies in the world like

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Speaker 3: Aramco and the second biggest oil company in the world, Exon.

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Speaker 3: These two companies have been resistant to the idea of

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Speaker 3: third party monitoring and verification, joining a UN organization called OGMP.

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Speaker 3: These companies have only recently agreed to sign this pledge

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Speaker 3: and ex agreed last week to this level of accountability.

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Speaker 2: So that's a breakthrough.

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Speaker 3: But in addition to those, the majority of these companies

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Speaker 3: are nationally owned oil companies like the Nigeria National Oil

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Speaker 3: Company and many many others, and those companies are actually

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Speaker 3: responsible for producing the majority of oil and gas in

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Speaker 3: the planet and a disproportionate amount of the methane emissions.

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Speaker 3: So that's what makes this big step forward so good.

782
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Speaker 3: But Molly, I have to say, because all of us know,

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Speaker 3: we have to move off of fossil fuels fast. We

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Speaker 3: have to accelerate the move to clean energy, to solwar,

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Speaker 3: to win power, geothermal and other sources of zero carbon

786
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Speaker 3: enery energy, nuclear my view, needs to be on the table.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be safe. It can have proliferation concerns.

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Speaker 3: We have to solve those challenges. But as we move

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Speaker 3: as fast as we can to truly clean sources of

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Speaker 3: energy in a way from fossil fuels, we're still driving

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Speaker 3: gasoline powered cards for a while, heating homes for a

792
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: while with fossil fuels, So for the next decade or

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00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: so or more, while we try to stop using these

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Speaker 3: fuels as much as we can, as fast as we can,

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Speaker 3: making sure the methane doesn't continue to poison our planet

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Speaker 3: and cause these ferocious storms. That's critically important as we

797
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Speaker 3: move away from fossil fuels, you have to do both.

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Speaker 4: How can people find out more about this.

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Speaker 3: Well, they can go to edf's website, which is simply

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Speaker 3: EEDF dot org, and we have pages on both methane

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Speaker 3: and methane SAT. You also sign up for our letter

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Speaker 3: and we'll keep folks informed.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. This is really important.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Molly.

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Speaker 1: The moment, Rick Wilson, you are a special fuckery gast.

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Speaker 2: Today's moment of fuckery here on Fast Politics, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Rick Wilson, is my absolutely favorite story that

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Speaker 2: I've seen in months, weeks, maybe this year. In Florida,

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Speaker 2: the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, Christian.

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Speaker 4: Ze Brot Yere.

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Speaker 2: And his wife Bridget Ziegler. And here's folks, where it

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Speaker 2: gets really delicious. She's the founder of Moms for Liberty.

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Speaker 4: Yes, perhaps you'll remember Moms for Libor day.

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Speaker 2: They were involved in a long running thrupple with another

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Speaker 2: woman and apparently Christian decided that he was going to

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Speaker 2: go in solo on her. And now there is a

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Speaker 2: police investigation going on down there accusing him of sexual battery, rape,

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Speaker 2: and illegally taping their sex acts. So it's always the

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Speaker 2: rule of the Republican Party. The more conservative and evangelical

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Speaker 2: and hyper busy body they are about how other people

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Speaker 2: are screwing, the more likely they are to have a

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Speaker 2: closet full of gimpsuits, butt plugs, and a variety of

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Speaker 2: other shady shit in their lives that absolutely puts the

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Speaker 2: lie to their Christian values. And Christian Ziegler is a

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Speaker 2: guy who is always very quick to meet out in

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Speaker 2: front on defending the Santis, attacking Disney, calling people pedophiles,

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Speaker 2: all this shit, and yet somehow now he is an

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Speaker 2: accused sexual assaulter, rapist and thropple officionado and bridget Ziegler

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Speaker 2: of Moms for Liberty who really wants to save the

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Speaker 2: children from the smut and the poor nog Griffe she's

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Speaker 2: recording herself having sex with a woman. So I got

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Speaker 2: a couple of questions here at the discomfort level in

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Speaker 2: Florida Republican politics right now is so stratospheric because I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you a funny little secret. There are two things

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Speaker 2: Tallahassee does better than anywhere else in the country. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know why this is the case. And I

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Speaker 2: caveat this by saying, I have not personally experienced either

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Speaker 2: of these things. But Tallahassee does swingers, orgies, and high

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Speaker 2: quality cocaine better than anywhere else I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 2: This place is a hive of scum and villainy. And

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Speaker 2: this story is not over, and it's delicious and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to eat it up every day.

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Speaker 4: Jesse Cannon by jug.

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Speaker 2: Fast Diva down.

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Speaker 5: George Santos has been expelled from Congress and he is

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Speaker 5: spilling the tea.

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Speaker 2: What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: He has the origin story that every batman villain has,

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Speaker 1: where he has decided that now that he has been

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Speaker 1: removed from Congress, this hasn't happened in about twenty years,

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Speaker 1: he is going to go after all of his former colleagues.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you the list here, Jamal Bowman, Robert

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Speaker 1: Menendez Junior, Nick Loloda, Brandon Williams, Mike Lawler, and he

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Speaker 1: has reserved a little bit of special ire for the

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Speaker 1: Republican congresswoman from Staten Island, Nicole Micketaco, calling her Nicole

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Speaker 1: Mallio stock tips.

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Speaker 5: Should we bet you that he also tried to out

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Speaker 5: her as a homosexual?

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Speaker 4: Did she's gay?

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that. It's George Santos. He's full

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Speaker 2: of shit about everything anyway.

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Speaker 1: For Farragamo's shoes, Botox OnlyFans, ermavs, George Santos, I love

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Speaker 1: that man.

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Speaker 4: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the

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