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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: It's almost Samos podcast. We were here with headlines. There's

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Speaker 2: not a lot of headlines this week.

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Speaker 3: It's been a.

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Speaker 2: Pretty quiet week in Bachelor Nation. But there are some

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Speaker 2: big headlines, some big headlines that are focused around a

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Speaker 2: similar topic. To start, we're gonna highlight Gil Ramirez, who

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Speaker 2: you might remember him from the first episode of The

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelorette. And here is the headline. The Golden Bachelorette

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Speaker 2: contestant to have screen time reduced after restraining order revealed.

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Speaker 2: Another contesting going into the Bachelor franchise has a restraining order.

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Speaker 2: There has been one to obtain by people. Ashley, Gil Rimeires.

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Speaker 2: I remember him obviously from his picture handsome man did

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Speaker 2: have a little screen time in episode one, was not

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Speaker 2: a main character. But this has all happened within the

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Speaker 2: last week. Actually tell us more so.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he didn't have a lot of screen time in

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Speaker 4: the first episode, nor will he be playing a big

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Speaker 4: role in his episodes to come. I don't I think

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Speaker 4: he gets eliminated early because the show has addressed this.

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Speaker 4: They said that they are not only does he play

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Speaker 4: a limited role in the series, but they will be

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Speaker 4: cutting down his role even further. What happened was the

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Speaker 4: time between the background check that they do during casting

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Speaker 4: and him actually going to film the show is when

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Speaker 4: this whole incident happened. So he got the restraining order

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Speaker 4: in between the background check being done and him going

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Speaker 4: to leave for filming, So it's truly slept. It slipped

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Speaker 4: through a crack. His ex girlfriend was granted a temporary

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Speaker 4: restraining order against him on June eleventh, only a few

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Speaker 4: days before the series began filming. A source close to

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Speaker 4: the show told People magazine that upon learning at Ramirez's past,

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Speaker 4: the Golden Bachelorette has already edited his limited screen time.

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Speaker 4: The source also said that the restraining order was granted,

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Speaker 4: like I said, in the brief period between the completion

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Speaker 4: of the background check, and they still went through the

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Speaker 4: exhaustive vetting process with him. But the girlfriend said that

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Speaker 4: despite telling him not to contact her anymore or come

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Speaker 4: to her house, he still made repeated, unwanted contact with

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Speaker 4: her family members and friends. There was twenty five attempts

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Speaker 4: to contact her in two weeks via phone, text, and video.

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Speaker 4: Although he lives an hour away from her, he still

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Speaker 4: showed up at places that she frequented to confront her

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Speaker 4: on a daily basis.

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Speaker 2: You know, this situation, I guess makes more sense to me, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: than the the devs. The dev situation we still have

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Speaker 2: yet to have clarity on at all, because the show

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Speaker 2: really hasn't came out and said anything towards it. And

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Speaker 2: I think the reason is because the show realized, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we messed up and we tried to get away with

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Speaker 2: one here and it didn't work. Now, for this to

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Speaker 2: happen between the time of filming and uh when they're

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Speaker 2: restraining order or when the actual background check was done,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense how on how it could slip through

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Speaker 3: I understand this. It was still a psycho.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I still don't understand where and how

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Speaker 2: they're vetting cast members at this point, and I am

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Speaker 2: I guess for the show to come out and say

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Speaker 2: they're cutting screen time is fair. The odd part of

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Speaker 2: this actually, to me, would be that the show only

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Speaker 2: came out and said they're cutting screen time once this

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But I also think that they probably didn't even

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Speaker 4: public's attention, you know what I mean, Like, I think

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Speaker 4: they probably found out the same time since they had

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Speaker 4: been already completed their their background check, they probably didn't

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Speaker 3: What a wild week for them, I know, these what

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Speaker 3: an awful, awful week for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fact that this Devin thing comes out,

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Speaker 2: and I know they felt the heat. They felt the pressure.

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Speaker 2: What they did with the pressure in the heat, I

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Speaker 2: still don't know, but they felt the heat, They felt

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Speaker 2: the pressure from the Devin situation. They realized that they

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Speaker 2: a similar situation probably made them go, what in the

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Speaker 2: probably didn't know of the Gill situation because he isn't

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Speaker 2: They probably had him come and go and then kind

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Speaker 4: I also, it's like worth mentioning. It's like stupid, but

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Speaker 4: it's also worth mentioning. This guy was literally stalking this

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Speaker 3: That's weird. That's weird, the whole thing. It's weird.

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Speaker 4: But also like, if you're stalking someone at the age

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Speaker 4: of sixty something, I feel like you must have some

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Speaker 4: sort of sketchy pass as well. Not that any of

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Speaker 4: it's legal. I don't want to assume that he has

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Speaker 4: like other legal issues that they didn't catch. I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying that, like, probably not a guy that you would

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Speaker 4: think would be an appealing option to cast, even if

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Speaker 4: you didn't. I don't know, Like, I guess people can

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Speaker 4: keep their creepiness secret for a while.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of keeping your creepiness secret for a while,

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Speaker 2: Devin's apologies about releasing Jen's private text and statement on

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Speaker 2: Next girlfriends restraining order.

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Speaker 3: Now, we did cover this in length on.

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Speaker 2: A separate episode. However, there has been new things come out.

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Speaker 2: This is provided by Red Banyon, the crisis communication firm

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Speaker 2: that Devon has hired. So he recognized he was in crisis,

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Speaker 2: he recognized he was not doing any of this well

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Speaker 2: on his own. However, he hires this firm. New stuff

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Speaker 2: comes out. This stuff is not good. It is in

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Speaker 2: relation to a former friend of his and texts that

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Speaker 2: Devin sent this friend. I'm excited to not be talking

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Speaker 2: about Devon any longer, and I'm hoping we can stop

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Speaker 2: because it feels like every day is a new devn thing,

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Speaker 2: and it just feels like every day he continues to

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Speaker 2: pretty much, I mean, he's his whole is as deep

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Speaker 3: It feels like.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, Ashley, these texts have been released again by

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Speaker 2: Red Banyon, the communications firm his kind of helping Devin

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Speaker 2: try to clear his name. Walk us through what these

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Speaker 2: texts are and kind of just how I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: reading them right now.

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Speaker 3: They're just awful.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's just talk about his So he released

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Speaker 4: the video in which he showed a whole bunch of

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Speaker 4: screenshotted texts, some of which the first edition of the

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Speaker 4: video had some sexual stuff in there between him and Jen.

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Speaker 4: He went to Instagram to issue the apology with the

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Speaker 4: help supposedly of the crisis Management PR firm, and in

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Speaker 4: which he said that the girlfriend who had the restraining

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Speaker 4: because they reconciled the relationship afterward, like they started dating again.

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Speaker 4: That's in the apology. Now, what happened is that reality,

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Speaker 4: Steve got a hold of a friend of this girl,

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Speaker 4: the one that sent out the restraining order, and this

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Speaker 4: is what the friend said. In the spring of twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: Devin was issued a temporary restraining order following multiple instances

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Speaker 4: of abuse against my friend. This year, he made the

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Speaker 4: bizarre decision to appear on The Bachelorette despite his well

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Speaker 4: documented history of violence. After his troubling on screen behavior,

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Speaker 4: the public uncovered his arrest record, including the restraining order. Yesterday,

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Speaker 4: Devin attempted to discredit in the said apology his ex

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Speaker 4: clear public records to the contrary. I refused to stand

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Speaker 4: by as seeking continues to malign someone I care about,

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Speaker 4: especially after the pain he caused seven years ago in

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. In April, while repeatedly violating the restraining order,

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Speaker 4: Devin made threats against his ex girlfriend's friends and family.

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Speaker 4: I receive disturbing messages from him, filled with hobe phobic,

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Speaker 4: homophobic slurs and threats of violence. His attempt to manipulate

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Speaker 4: the narrative is exactly what he did in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 4: while stalking He has an ex girlfriend burglarizing her home,

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Speaker 4: burning the restraining order in front of her in her yard,

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Speaker 4: and slashing her tire and intimidating her friends and family.

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Speaker 4: Devin's decision to go on national television has forced his

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Speaker 4: victim to revisit a traumatic chapter in her life in

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Speaker 4: a public forum. And I will not allow his arrogance

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Speaker 4: care about. Devin is a dangerous individual and a pathological liar.

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Speaker 4: So then Reality Steve got a hold of the actual

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming that this guy, poor girl who is sending

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Speaker 4: who has posted what I just read, sent Reality Steve

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Speaker 4: the actual receipts of what Devin said, and it says this,

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Speaker 4: should I read it as I say, and we as

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Speaker 4: it's said, and we should bleed things out. Sure, Hey,

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Speaker 4: guess who's getting their frecking licked?

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Speaker 1: L I c k.

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Speaker 4: Es next time I see you kicked? Sorry, don't want

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Speaker 4: you getting confused, see you sooner than you think. Surprise,

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Speaker 4: someone puts their in that foul mouth of yours. Keep

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Speaker 4: my and out of that bole, especially when dealing with me.

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Speaker 4: I think he meant name, keep my name out of

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Speaker 4: that hole, especially when dealing with me yourself. This is

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Speaker 3: It's like it's just, uh, it's brutal.

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Speaker 2: It's like hard for me to even hear because, like

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Speaker 2: I the only people that I've ever assumed talked this

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Speaker 2: way are the robots on social media that are just

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Like I've never heard a human, Like I don't know

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Speaker 4: That way, or if you have heard it, you're like, wow,

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Speaker 4: that's the most disgusting person I've ever I can't believe

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Speaker 4: people like that exists. And like you hear it like

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Speaker 4: on a drunken college campus or something like that, not

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Speaker 4: that I have any personal I don't. I can't remember

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Speaker 4: an instance where I heard stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But like it's just so hard to even like, as

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Speaker 2: you're reading it, I just don't.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard to even like understand and compute. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so it's out there now, right, this is there. Devin

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: Where like Ashley like, where do we go from here?

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Speaker 2: Like what do we hope? Like what happens now? Are

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Speaker 2: we just is it just like a rite off? Like

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Speaker 2: this is terrible and like I'm so glad she's out

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Speaker 2: of this relationship and like let's move on, or like

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Speaker 2: what happens now?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think we just hope that he

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Speaker 4: never gets attention again. What else would you think would happened?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm I guess there's two sides to it.

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Speaker 2: One would be this was a really bad thing for

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Speaker 2: him to go on and for the show to let

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Speaker 2: him on. That is clear, Like let's be clear about that.

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Speaker 2: He should have never been on this show. The show

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Speaker 2: should have never let him on the show.

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Speaker 4: And what and what a dumb ass we're signing up

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Speaker 2: And the other hope is that like he takes personal

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Speaker 2: Like this is like awful behavior, like awful, awful behavior,

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Speaker 2: But there's no other like victims and people that he

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: All I would say is that like he's gonna be

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Speaker 2: And you know, it just feels like one of those

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Speaker 4: It, So do we not talk about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't keep coming out and if.

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Speaker 2: It's been the topic that's been most covered from Gen

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Speaker 3: I don't know, that's my question. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole other.

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Speaker 2: Let's the headlines we have for you this week. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: we get some uplifting headlines next week. That'd be good.

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Speaker 2: Come on, bachel Donation, Let's do something good, Let's do

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Speaker 2: something cool. Until next time, I've been Ben, I've been Ashley.

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Speaker 3: See yeah.

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