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Speaker 1: with John Middlekoff, who will eventually take some time off.

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Speaker 1: He got married last weekend. Let's do a few minutes

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Speaker 1: on March madness. So the last three weekends, this is

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Speaker 1: what I do. I sit around and watch streaming shows

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Speaker 1: at night, and I watch college basketball most of the day.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty obvious if you watch college basketball. The

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Speaker 1: on FS one. It just looked different. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten didn't even look like the SEC. SEC is deeper,

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Speaker 1: more athletic, better offensive teams, better scoring options. Michigan State's

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Speaker 1: as good as any Big Ten team I saw this season,

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Speaker 1: and they don't really have any shooters. They rebound, they defend,

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Speaker 1: they have a great coach in tom I isno, but

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Speaker 1: they'll struggle to score against good teams. I think the

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Speaker 1: SEC is going to fly through this. I have Auburn

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Speaker 1: winning the national championship. I think all these CC teams

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Speaker 1: are going to do pretty well in the tournament. Florida

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Speaker 1: Auburn are exceptional because they've played each other. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Florida wasn't great at the beginning of the year. They've

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Speaker 1: been on fire now a lot of times. The hottest team,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really translate. But I watched Auburn played two

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Speaker 1: or three times deep, multiple guys that could give you

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Speaker 1: twelve fifteen points. Good coach, good size, aggressive, Houston is

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Speaker 1: a very good basketball team. But I'll take a couple

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Speaker 1: of SEC teams in dupe. I'll take Florida, Auburn, and

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Speaker 1: probably Duke Cooper. Flag will be healthy by the time

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's the difference is when you watch college football last year,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, year before, Michigan, year before that, Georgia, you

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Speaker 1: get a real the Joe Burrow LSU team. You can

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Speaker 1: see the NFL. You can see all these players, you know,

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Speaker 1: these twelve guys that are going to go to the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Last year's Yukon team, which went thirty seven to three,

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Speaker 1: I picked them to win. That's the easiest pick I've

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Speaker 1: ever made. That team looked a little bit like an

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Speaker 1: the NBA coach early. That was a really good college

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Speaker 1: basketball team. The best one that I've seen in years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even against Purdue in the National Championship not

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Speaker 1: really that competitive. It's different tea. You're going to see

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Speaker 1: to win the National Championship imminently beatable, great defensive team.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you watch college basketball, because it's

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Speaker 1: such a young sport and the really talented guys are

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Speaker 1: many of them aren't developed offensively. But when you watch

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Speaker 1: college basketball, it doesn't look like the NBA. The offenses

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Speaker 1: often just dump it down to the big guys. Purdue

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Speaker 1: with the most athletic teams I saw. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go with the teams that played in the hardest conference easily.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no conference has ever had fourteen teams in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, these people that are upset

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Speaker 1: had a terrible record one in twelve against Quad one teams.

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Speaker 1: They had some good out of conference wins before the

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Speaker 1: season started. Not worth the argument that used to be

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Speaker 1: fun ten fifteen years ago arguing for that team to

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Speaker 1: that's probably the ceiling and the team. You know, it

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Speaker 1: when teams are close, I like experienced coaches. You know,

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Speaker 1: I like Rick Patino. I don't think Michigan State can

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Speaker 1: coaches that have been in this spot before. That's an advantage.

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Speaker 2: A lot of this.

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Speaker 1: Stuff is going to end up being like seventy two

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Speaker 1: we bring on John Middlecoff three and Out podcast, former

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Speaker 1: NFL scout, newly married. I just gave my pick Auburn

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Speaker 1: you watch a ton of college hoops? No?

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Speaker 2: This isn't football. I mean the two guys on the

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Speaker 2: but it's just it's not really the same though the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's hard to tell a twenty year

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. That's what college basketball. And they never won

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Speaker 2: Ago, there is talk about him coming back. Now, wake

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Speaker 2: me when that actually happens. I am fascinated though, and

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Speaker 2: you and I talk so much college football during the

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Speaker 2: fall and we both love it. And obviously the growth

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Speaker 2: And I've been fascinating. When I got married last week

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Speaker 2: law we played golf at Vanderbilt's golf course. We actually

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Speaker 2: clubhouse at the golf course. The SEC money because of

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Speaker 2: the football programs over the last fifteen twenty years. You

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Speaker 2: know better than me. But when I think SEC basketball,

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Speaker 2: less than a Final four this Alabama basketball is a disappointment.

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Speaker 2: So at the gym, I was watching Tennessee Florida day.

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Speaker 2: It was fantastic. Okay, how good is so the talent

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Speaker 1: I watched Michigan Michigan State, and Michigan won the Big

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Speaker 1: my takeaway is the Big Ten's just I mean, Michigan

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Speaker 1: So it's the only sport where the conference championships have

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Speaker 1: baseball makes bless you a lot of money. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: The weather argument's weak because your last game USC UCLA

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw Mix. Mix had some great lines this year.

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Speaker 2: I think every move in a vacuum is easy to justify.

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Speaker 1: And also, there are certain positions in football running back,

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Same with wide receivers. I mean, same

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Speaker 1: Here two he was fantastic. But this league, there are

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Speaker 2: Their schedule sucks, their schedules bad. They have a last

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Speaker 1: So I thought the team, you can tell who has

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Speaker 1: I really like the direction where the Bears are going well.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes when you get like the whiz kid,

429
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Speaker 2: the great offensive coordinator, they just want to score points

430
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Speaker 2: and they're thinking quarterback and wide receiver. Ben Johnson's pretty lucky.

431
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Speaker 2: That is welcome to stardom in the NFL. Started with

432
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Speaker 2: the trenches. I mean, I mean, let's face it, the

433
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Speaker 2: Lions really separated them with a dominant offensive line. So

434
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Speaker 2: they go and trade for a guy. It's crazy. You

435
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: and I talk about these young quarterbacks. By that second

436
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: year Thanksgiving, it's like you're on the clock, like your

437
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 2: career is in troubles. It's like that now with free

438
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Speaker 2: agency the Rams side, Joja Jackson last year, three years,

439
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Speaker 2: fifty one million dollars. Less than a year later, it's

440
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Speaker 2: like traded. I mean these teams now, the money and

441
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Speaker 2: the cash bonuses sealing that not in a million years,

442
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Speaker 2: I would say, up till what seven eight years ago,

443
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Speaker 2: would have ever happened because no owner, it's like he's

444
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Speaker 2: a good player, and it's like, yeah, not a great fit.

445
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Speaker 2: Seal later. So they get a guy that they know

446
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: the Falcon Center is good and you see Andy Reid's

447
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 2: quotes on Toony, He's like he's one of the toughest

448
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: guys I've ever We don't want to trade this guy.

449
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Speaker 2: We just there's money involved and we can't afford to

450
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Speaker 2: keep them. One of them play play.

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Speaker 1: We had the best year of his career arguably because

452
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Speaker 1: he went to left tackle.

453
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Speaker 2: And was excellent. To me, he's like his generation's Logan Mankins.

454
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Speaker 2: I mean, just a plug and play guy who could

455
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Speaker 2: play multiple positions as a stud. The other thing is

456
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Speaker 2: when you have a smaller quarterback, you know, non paid Manning,

457
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, the FLA Gol. That generation, all those guys

458
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: were huge, you know, Carson Palmer, Caleb. This generation is

459
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Speaker 2: a little smaller. Well, Sean Payton dealt with one in

460
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: that generation, and they always invested in centers and guards.

461
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: They had high because the pressure up the middle it

462
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Speaker 2: rattles and he can't see where Peyton, Manning and Tom Brady.

463
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Speaker 2: Historically they had some pretty random guys on some seasons

464
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Speaker 2: when they had good teams playing center and guard, they

465
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Speaker 2: get away with it. Smaller quarterbacks cannot. It hurts pretty

466
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Speaker 2: sometimes when they get in past situations and the garden

467
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: center gets smoked. He's swimming. He can handle the outside

468
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Speaker 2: pressure because he can move around. Same with Caleb, he

469
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Speaker 2: can move, but up the middle you are screwed. So

470
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Speaker 2: they they could have I know they've invested draft picks

471
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Speaker 2: and some tackles. But we'll see how good those guys

472
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Speaker 2: turn out to be. But they went all in on

473
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Speaker 2: the garden center position because I think with a smaller quarterback,

474
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Speaker 2: it's really really important to just neutralize. Think how many

475
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Speaker 2: teams also have a good interior pass rush now, So yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: it was hard to I mean, that was a no

477
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Speaker 2: brainer moved by the Bears. And Ryan Pole is pretty

478
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: lucky that this the way this all. He kept his

479
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: job and he's still here and he gets to be

480
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Speaker 2: a part of this. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean a couple of years ago, he whiffed on

482
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Speaker 1: Villas Jones and I was like, oh, dude, you could

483
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Speaker 1: have called me. And then the.

484
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Speaker 2: Chase played with Rome. I mean, Rome was a pretty

485
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Speaker 2: looking back. You should have taken an offensive lineman.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Villas Jones, miss Chase Claypool, miss Roma Danze

487
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: not as good as we thought.

488
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Speaker 2: You know.

489
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Speaker 1: So again, I think you and I agree. I think

490
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: the Bears are heading in the right direction. You just

491
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Speaker 1: pointed out something and I've been on this for a

492
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Speaker 1: few years that I think there's a duality to all

493
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Speaker 1: the owners being billionaires and some being ten fifteen, twenty billionaires.

494
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Speaker 1: Is that number one. The downside is they're more willing

495
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: to just fire people quickly. They're more impulsive than they've

496
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Speaker 1: ever been when they were all worth six hundred million.

497
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Speaker 1: You're you're not just riding a seventeen to twenty five

498
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Speaker 1: million dollar check to blow out a staff. You're just

499
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: not doing now. These guys will just blow out a

500
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Speaker 1: seventy million dollars staff. So who does that hurt? It

501
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: hurts a young quarterback who has to have another staff.

502
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Speaker 1: So I mean Caleb Williams, even though he upgrades staffs,

503
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: it's a brand new system. So that's the downside. The upside, though,

504
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: is when you make a mistake with personnel like Rams

505
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: and Jonah Jackson where it just didn't feel great, you

506
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: can just move off it. And so you know this,

507
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: you know you can never move off NBA contracts or

508
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: baseball contracts. They're so guaranteed. In the NFL. Now, if

509
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: you make a mistake, guys just write shacks and go

510
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Speaker 1: all right, big jo, I mean for the Bears to

511
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Speaker 1: get Drew Dolman and Joe Tooney. Jesus, you have your

512
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Speaker 1: You're you may not be Philadelphia or Detroit, but that's

513
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: a top three interior O line in the league.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, let's you even use I mean, the craziest example

515
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: currently is his cousin's example. Now, I know Arthur Blank

516
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: is probably I don't know where he ranks, but he's

517
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Speaker 2: not near the bottom when it comes to wealth. They're like, well,

518
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna shove us around. We're gonna pay you

519
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: ten million for next year. He obviously he's not gonna

520
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: be the team next year, and we'll eat it until

521
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: we figure this out. But you are gonna capitulate and

522
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 2: you're gonna give us a trade eventually before the season starts.

523
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Speaker 2: That never would have happen. I thought it was like, no,

524
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: no human lives is gonna give him ten million dollars

525
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: guaranteed for next year. Cousin's gonna win this. They will

526
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Speaker 2: cut him. I thought he'd be cut, you know, Wednesday Thursday.

527
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: He's like, no, they just picked it up. But he's

528
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: still there and we'll just have a staring contest. It's

529
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Speaker 2: that that never would have happened without the influx of cash.

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Speaker 2: I thought this when some of these deals are I

531
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Speaker 2: mean Aaron Banks, the Niners left guard got, I mean

532
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Speaker 2: so much money. Milton Williams, who is obviously a really

533
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Speaker 2: talented players. He never played more than fifty percent of

534
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: the snap for the Eagles, got twenty six million dollars

535
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Speaker 2: a year.

536
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Speaker 1: No, Milton Williams got paid like Aaron Donald. That contract

537
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Speaker 1: was but again they had two hundred plus million dollars. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: and I think Milton Williams for New England, I got

539
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: that that contract is stupid. But again, it's not a

540
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: great defensive tackle class. And maybe it's just not. And

541
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Speaker 1: so it's a great running back class, pretty good tight

542
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Speaker 1: end class.

543
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: It is.

544
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Speaker 1: There's some offensive tackles, none of them elite. But I

545
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: saw somebody saying it didn't think it was a great

546
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: defensive tackle class. You know, I'm not watching defensive tackle tape.

547
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Speaker 1: We don't have a Jalen Carter obviously, but I think,

548
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: like in New England's case, I'll give them a pass.

549
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I thought, to be honest with you, one of the

550
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Speaker 1: strangest contracts to me was Cooper Cup. John Snyder the

551
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: GM Seattle has almost never missed on receivers. Jesus, He's

552
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: been fantastic with wide receivers. Cooper Cup doesn't separate. I mean,

553
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh moves off a receiver. I mean they resigned

554
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: two to Atwell because he gets open. They went and

555
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: paid for older Devonte Adams because if you go look

556
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Speaker 1: at the analytics, he gets open. Cooper Cup doesn't get

557
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Speaker 1: open at all. And so the Milton Williams contract I

558
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: get because of Rabel's trying to create. You know, it's

559
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a bad defensive tackle class. He's trying to get big.

560
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of linebackers, a lot of people.

561
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Speaker 2: Milton Williams twenty six years old.

562
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Cooper Cup deal when you look at

563
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Speaker 1: the Sam Darnald contract, which could end up being just

564
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Speaker 1: a one year, thirty seven million dollar deal, if you

565
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Speaker 1: look at the way it's laid out, what do you

566
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Speaker 1: think Darnald is a two to three year play in Seattle?

567
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Speaker 1: Because the Cooper Cup move is like, damn, you are

568
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: you going all in on samdy? What is this? Why?

569
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Speaker 2: I thought the moment Gino was traded, it was pretty clear,

570
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Speaker 2: and John Schneider doubled down. We tried to give him

571
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Speaker 2: an extension. He wasn't going to play ball because he

572
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: thought we were low balling him and we're just not

573
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Speaker 2: paying a guy thirty five million dollars giving you an

574
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Speaker 2: extension one hundred plus million dollars, and I you know

575
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Speaker 2: what I'd say to John Schneider, that's the way to

576
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: do it. That's good business. Well, you need a quarterback.

577
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Speaker 2: And ultimately, like you said, Sam Darnald's not that much,

578
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: not very expensive. No one is on his contract in

579
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Speaker 2: the NFL. It doesn't really exis beside Baker last year,

580
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: and Baker clearly is very underpaid. Now. I don't think

581
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Speaker 2: Sam Donald's as good as Baker Mayfield. You know, I

582
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: would take Baker Mayfield over Sam Donald. And obviously Sam

583
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: benefited from playing with Justin Jefferson, who's probably a Hall

584
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: of Famer, Jordan Addison's who's a star. It was a

585
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: great situation. This situation, once they get rid of DK,

586
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: is not as impressive. And I don't blame them for

587
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: trading DK. Like Steelers gonn give him a hundred We

588
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: can dive into that one hundred and fifty million dollars,

589
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: But listen, coordinators matter with some of these. You know,

590
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: if you're gonna if you're gonna buy a quarterback, especially

591
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: fifty five million dollars, guaranteed Rock Party's gonna get one

592
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty plus, so it's a tiny, tiny little number.

593
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Speaker 2: And Clint Kubiak was with him in San Francisco with

594
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan and Brock thirty, so they know him really

595
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: well and they feel comfortable with it. I think the

596
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: one thing all the Shanahan guys will tell you is, I,

597
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: then you can't play like this every single game. But

598
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: in theory, they go into the game, they want to

599
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: run the ball, and they only want to throw the

600
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: ball twenty five to thirty times. And of those twenty

601
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: five to thirty times, only ideally eight to ten are

602
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: going to ask you to really be crazy good. A

603
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: lot of these are going to be scripted in and

604
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: out of your hand. It's a pretty easy scheme. It's

605
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: why so many guys are, you know, the Cousins, the

606
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: Matt Jobs, the less talented. We saw him last year

607
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: in obviously he had more weapons, but listen, the last

608
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: two games were really bad. He played really well last season.

609
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: It's my big issue with going all in on JJ McCarthy,

610
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: and we'll see the Aaron Rodgers thing is still out there.

611
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy never threw more than twenty two touchdowns in college.

612
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: He did not play like the way Kevin O'Connell and

613
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: that offense wants to play. And I saw it with

614
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Speaker 2: Trey Lance when the Niners got you're a young player,

615
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: usually you go to shitty teams. It's like, I'll just

616
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: you get to win five or six games your first year,

617
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: No big deal. Like if Shador Standers gets drafted to

618
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: the New York Giants or cam Ward to the Titans,

619
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: the win loss record isn't as important as how it looks.

620
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: That is not going to be the case with JJ McCarthy, right,

621
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Speaker 2: if you don't win eleven twelve games, it's going to

622
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: be a disaster. So replacing Sam Donald is not really

623
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: easy where I think that. Listen, Geno's a solid player,

624
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: but I do think he's being talked about a little

625
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: differently than he actually is, especially once you start talking

626
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: forty five to fifty million dollars like I'd be out

627
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 2: of the business too.

628
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean listen, Geno's thirty four, Sam's twenty seven.

629
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Speaker 1: So there is there is something to be said that

630
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: Seattle's own line is not is not a top ten

631
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Speaker 1: O line, and Sam moves well, and as they draft

632
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: the O line, as it improves, by Thanksgiving. Sam can

633
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: move the chains with his feet, and I think that's

634
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: some of it. They kind of look at it as sad.

635
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: If we're going to get a quarterback with this O

636
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: line Geno and Aaron Rogers, they just don't move as well.

637
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: Cousins doesn't move as well. Sam can buy us time

638
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: as we develop our O line from this draft.

639
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: But look at the other thing too. The last two years,

640
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: who liked Sam Donald, Kyle Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell, The

641
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: right guys are on them. They think really really highly

642
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: of them and the Vikings and stand after those last

643
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: two games, they had a financial decision to make. They

644
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: signed a lot of guys that they wouldn't have been

645
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: able to sign them all right without They re signed

646
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: the corner. They sign a couple offensive lineman Hargrave Jonathan Allen.

647
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: If Sam Donold's making forty plus million dollars for him,

648
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: they're not gonna have attacked the same offseason. It's also why, though,

649
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: like they're not dumb, they realize we go all in

650
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: on this young quarterback. It's why they have to think

651
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: about Aaron Rodgers, even if it is kind of crazy

652
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: to everybody. Well, it's like JJ McCarthy could be a disaster.

653
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan's pretty good quarterbacks. Trey Lance would have dere

654
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: if he listen. No one rooted for him to get injured,

655
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: but once he got injured, it saved their season because

656
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: it was he was not gonna be able to function.

657
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: Now everyone will go, well, look at JJ in that

658
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: preseason game. It's like, well, the preseason is a pretty

659
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: big jump to the regular season, let alone big Sunday

660
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: night games against the Packers and the Lions. Like it's

661
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: a different animal. That's the one thing Seattle knows now,

662
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: Like they get a guy who's been kind of under

663
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: the ringer as a starter for a long time, so

664
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: it's a ton of experience, but then played in real

665
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: games all season long. Like every game the Vikings played

666
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: in last year was like that was real. There was

667
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: a lot on the line, especially as the season went on.

668
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: So I thought the move was an easy one for

669
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: John Schneider. I think it's pretty fascinating what the Vikings

670
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: are doing.

671
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I want to throw this with Aaron

672
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Rodgers and the Vikings, the Steelers, you know, the Giants interested.

673
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: So I've said before the Vikings is the obvious choice

674
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: if you could do it, if you wanted one more

675
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: year with their personnel and their coach Giants two to me,

676
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: Steelers three. I'll get to that in a second. But

677
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: I went and watched a movie this morning at eleven

678
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: forty called Black Bag. It was Steven Soderberg, Who's done.

679
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: He started with sexalizing videotape years ago. Very heavy stuff,

680
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: very quirky, plot twist, fascinating guy. The movie's great. I

681
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: love that hour thirty three. I mean, you're in and

682
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: out of the theater. It's fascinating, not a wasted scene.

683
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: But as I was watching it, I was I was

684
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Speaker 1: thinking as I walked out of the theater, is that

685
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: you can tell how smart an actor is by the

686
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: directors and the choices they make for movies. Bad dumb

687
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: actors end up in bad films and make bad choices.

688
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks did not make a bad choice for like

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: ten years.

690
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Now.

691
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: I know Tom Hanks gets better scripts than the average guy.

692
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: But you know, even a movie like Big, you know

693
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: you're like smart actors choose smarter roles. And I think

694
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: this is the ultimate test for Aaron Rodgers. Hear me

695
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: out so the teams that want in Minnesota, Pittsburgh and

696
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: New York. Pittsburgh's got the best overall roster. The best

697
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: overall coach is probably in Minnesota. But here's something fascinating

698
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: about the Steelers. So in five of the last seven years,

699
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: and I think we both agree they draft and develop well,

700
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: they got dudes. This this is a real roster. Five

701
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: of the last seven years they've had it east a

702
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: three game losing streak at minimum at the end of

703
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: the year. And my belief is as the league has

704
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: gotten offensively smarter and the culture has changed and defenses

705
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: are limited, that Mike Tomlin is a raw raw coach,

706
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: kind of a motivator. That's why such a good as

707
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: an underdog coach. Is that the raw raw stuff, it doesn't,

708
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't land or stick by Christmas on. It just doesn't.

709
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: Players have heard it, and that they're they're just not

710
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: a sophisticated team. Offensively. They can't get the O line right,

711
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: which Andy Reid, McVay, Shanahan, Gary Sean Payton, those guys

712
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: within a year can figure. I mean, the Denver O

713
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: line sucked. Peyton got there, it was top eight, you know,

714
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: his first year and that. I think if Aaron chooses

715
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: the Steelers, I think it's a big brand. It's a

716
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: good roster. You now have two high maintenance receivers who

717
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: want the ball. By the way, DK Metcalf's the most

718
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: penalized receiver since he entered the league. Temperamental. You have

719
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: an own line that can't figure out. They have no

720
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: sensibility for it. He's sort of an outsider in a

721
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of a tough, blue collar city. He's an outsider.

722
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: And if he chooses Pittsburgh, I really think it tells

723
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: you a lot about Aaron. I mean, I'll tell you

724
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I would choose the Giants over Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh just lost

725
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: their left tackle. They just lost Nagie Harris. It's like

726
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the Giants have an excellent left tackle an offensive coach,

727
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Aaron will have power. They have an elite weapon. And

728
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: by the way, what they need is a running back.

729
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: It's a great running back draft. It's hard to screw

730
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: the running back. I mean, the Giants will take a

731
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: running back somewhere early. So my take on Aaron is

732
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: if he chooses the Steelers, he's passing on offensive coaches

733
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: who clearly every rule advantage goes to that side, And

734
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the choice he makes because I'm know

735
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: you start hearing things a lot of people think he's

736
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: going to Pittsburgh. If you just wanted to play one

737
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: more year, where would you pick? And why?

738
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd be begging are we factoring Minnesota in with

739
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: these three? Or I would be begging Kevin O'Connell to

740
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: let me be the starting quarter back? All right? Yeah?

741
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: And when I when I see some of these reports

742
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: that you know he needs thirty forty million dollars, like

743
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: guy's made four and fifty million dollars. This is probably

744
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: going to be his last season? Is he going to

745
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: go out on the embarrassment that was the Jets situation

746
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: in these last couple of years. I to me, the

747
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Giants thing is, I can't get with you there. Now

748
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think the Steeler situation is a

749
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: little overrated. I mean, they just they happen to have

750
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, who's I don't know, the most unique quarterback

751
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: we've ever seen, and Joe Burrow, who went he's on

752
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: might be the best quarterback in the league. I mean,

753
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: you're not out doing those two teams. And then Cleveland

754
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: just resigned one of the greatest pass rushers ever and

755
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: for a weird organization that they are not easy to play.

756
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: That that division's really really difficul And I'm with you

757
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: on the Steelers. I thought that that DK Metcalf trade

758
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: was insanity, Colin. When you when you don't have your

759
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: quarterback to trade for DK Metcalf when down the stretch

760
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: of the season. Obviously your offense had some issues, but

761
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: Russell did not play well, your defense was falling apart.

762
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: You are not in the business of giving a guy

763
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars guaranteed trading a second round pick.

764
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: That's look what the Chiefs or Bills should do. Not

765
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: a team that's barely getting in the playoffs and getting

766
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: smoked the moment they get in. That was crazy. I

767
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: thought that was the craziest move when you factor in

768
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: money and a high draft pick. But I don't think

769
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: the Steelers and the Giants are that good options. Like

770
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: I see one the Giants I don't think would make

771
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: the playoffs with them. I mean, the Jets were a

772
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: muttered ar team, and I think the Steelers situation would

773
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: probably have some parallels, might look a little better, but

774
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: like the way this season nine to ten wins get

775
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: blasted by the Ravens or Bills.

776
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: And with.

777
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: Point.

778
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Last year, to my point, the Steelers were an awful

779
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: team down the stretch.

780
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: I do think, and I would imagine. You know, Kevin O'Connell,

781
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever worked with Aaron. They're just

782
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: having long conversations because they go, are we confident that

783
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: we could win the division and win playoff games with

784
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy because they I'm telling you we've seen it.

785
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: I know you know this, but like you could win

786
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: just because this isn't the NBA when you just put

787
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: a great roster like guaranteed to make the playoffs. In football,

788
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: the cohesion and the quarterback play. Sam Donald threw thirty

789
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: five touchdowns last year. JJ McCarthy in fifteen games that

790
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: last year at Michigan throw twenty two. He's never played

791
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: like that. They did not, that's not and and Kevin

792
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: O'Connell clearly is much more like McVeigh than Shanahan. He

793
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: likes to throw the ball. I mean he is, that's

794
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: his you know, he wants to call thirty five forty

795
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: passes a game, even when Sam Donald's getting smoked in

796
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: the playoff games, like Kevin run the ball. He just

797
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: kept calling pass plays, So i'd be begging Kevin O'Connell.

798
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: I think that roster. I would disagree with you on

799
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I think the Vikings have a better roster.

800
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: Now that your draft, we'll see what happens. I mean,

801
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: I thought they had an excellent free agency drafting or

802
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: I mean signed a couple offensive linemen plug and play,

803
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: a guard in a center, a couple of defensive linemen.

804
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean their defense overachieved because Flores is such an

805
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: elite coordinator. Yeah, now, so they bring in a couple

806
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: more defensive linemen. I would imagine they draft defense their

807
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: offense stacked skill wise, so you know it'd be I mean,

808
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: it'd be a little weird, right if Aaron's career literally

809
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: paralleled the guy that always drove him nuts far off

810
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: of going to the Jets, then the Vikings. But that division,

811
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: I think the one thing right now on paper, wouldn't

812
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: you say the NFC North is the best division in

813
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: all of football? With the Bears looking vastly improved.

814
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's the best division in terms of personnel.

815
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: I think the AFC West is the best division in

816
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: terms of coaching with Peyton, Pete, Andy and Harball. So

817
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: those are the two best divisions. And I don't think

818
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: it's a I don't think it's a coincidence.

819
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: Well, I just.

820
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: The South is such a huge college football region that

821
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: both the NFC and the AFC South aren't very good.

822
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: I've always surmised that college football is so big in

823
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: that part of the country that you don't face the

824
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: same level of pressure that you do on northern teams

825
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: like New England, Boston Media, Philly Media, Baltimore Media. You know,

826
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: I mean like cold Weather Pittsburgh. They live, they don't

827
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: care about college football. They live for the NFL. These

828
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: NFCAFC South teams, you're like, eh, we'll keep Todd Bowles again.

829
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: If he coaches the Eagles, he'd be gone tomorrow.

830
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is probably like a year ago,

831
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: Maria has a close friend who's really successful, girl UCLA

832
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: grad just crushed it. She's like thirty years old, she's

833
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: got multiple properties, and she was telling me this. She

834
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: had this acronym. I forget exactly what it was, but

835
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: it basically described high maintenance friends and the moment you

836
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: become a high maintenance friend in her life. She's got

837
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: too much going on, she got a young baby, she's

838
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: out on you. Yeah. If I would have told you

839
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: four or five years ago that we'd be a week

840
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: into free agency, and people like Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers like, yeah,

841
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: well we'll get back to you here a little bit.

842
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy how And I think both guys, if they reviewed,

843
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: let's use Geno and Sam, are viewed as low maintenance,

844
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: good guys. Everyone likes them, no problems. If both these

845
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: guys were viewed as just normal humans, like a Drew

846
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: Brees or I know he's like super high Carett, but

847
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: I just mean like normal guys, I think they both

848
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: would have been signed. Had been they would have had

849
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: a bidding war for these guys, because statistically they're still solid.

850
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: They're clearly not as good as they once were. But

851
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: it's like the first question. And I've been in these meetings,

852
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily with these individual players, but players like this,

853
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: like do we want to deal with this? Like do

854
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: we want? And their stardom is now bigger than their

855
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: talent that it's like, is this high maintenance worth worth

856
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: the headache? Enough?

857
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Look at Dez Bryant disappeared, ob John disappeared. Aaron Rodgers,

858
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Russell not really interested, I think, and I'll throw this

859
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: at you. I love the NBA, but there's some high maintenance,

860
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, these guaranteed contracts. I think the NFL people,

861
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: and I've had discussions with NFL people for my entire career.

862
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: They often reference, Dude, that's an NBA, that's an NBA idea.

863
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: They make fun of the NBA and how much players

864
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: and employees control the entire organization. Embiid. Everybody's hostage to EMBIID.

865
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: And I mean you've heard gms reference this before. Like

866
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: there Aaron and Russell are getting into sort of like

867
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of NBA where you're like, this is

868
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: a team sport, like this is about the group and

869
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: the community not I mean when Aaron said, you know,

870
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: there's that picture in Malibu where he's you know, he's

871
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: got the pod pods on, and I'm thinking, every guy,

872
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: every NFL GM is thinking, listen, just make an f

873
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: and decision. Okay, Like you're not married, you don't have kids,

874
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: you're not doing much, you're golfing, and you're reading Greek mythology.

875
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: Like that to me, I listen. I've talked to two

876
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: gms and they're like, you couldn't I'm not interested in Aaron,

877
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, but he's he's still pretty good.

878
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: And they're like that just eat. I mean Aaron Glenn

879
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: basically just said we're just no, thank you, and Aaron

880
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good down the stretch. This isn't a

881
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: shot at Aaron. It's what I'm hearing from executives in

882
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: the league. It's like, no thanks.

883
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look look at the Titans. Their new

884
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: GM is from the Chiefs, so he's spent his whole

885
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: time around Andy Veach Mahomes, Alex the guy kind of

886
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: in this weird position who's like the president but he's

887
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: also kind of got a scouting background, is a packer guy.

888
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: They have no interest, even if they're going to take

889
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: cam Ward, Like, you guys, get Aaron Rodgers, bring him

890
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: to Nashville for a year, get a little buzz. As

891
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: you're building this new stadium. You haven't heard a peep,

892
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: you know. I was like, it's crazy, how think of

893
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: the top quarterbacks in this in the league, Patrick Mahomes.

894
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: The only maintenance they ever have to deal with is

895
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: his family. It's not him like he is. They don't

896
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: even think about him. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Burrow.

897
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Burrow has kind of had to hold their

898
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: feet to the fire just historically this organization. If you

899
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: put Burrow in the Ravens or the Chiefs, he wouldn't

900
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: be saying a peep. He's just scared that this this

901
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: owner is going to be chief. Don't blame him. But

902
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: I think the league, the star quarterbacks are just full

903
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: of guys who are just you never the season ends

904
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't know what Josh Allen's doing,

905
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: is just doing? You had a bachelor party at the

906
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods thing in Orlando just with his buddies. And

907
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: I think Aaron Rodgers and Russell they're different personalities, but

908
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: I think they both check the same box of like

909
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have the energy and you're

910
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: and you're not good enough anymore for us to overlook that,

911
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: Because if you put Aaron Rodgers on Minnesota, you know,

912
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: I pretty good dealing well. But I can also see

913
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: it getting weird, like are you sure that you're comfortable

914
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: around with him? With JJ in that situation. But I

915
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: do think they're thinking long and hard, but these guys

916
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: don't really have options, so they can just kind of

917
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: wait it out and keep talking through it.

918
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think it's a reality that there's there's

919
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: there's The players now are richer sooner. I mean some

920
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: of these guys now going forward, John, they'll come in

921
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: multimillionaires out of college. So you're gonna see You're gonna

922
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: see two things. Guys retire sooner, and guys have a

923
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: little more leverage sooner. And and I think the fear

924
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: on the end FL is we don't want to become

925
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: pro basketball where basically the employees are are running the team,

926
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, like Kawhi showing up at four point thirty

927
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, I'm not going to play tonight, Like no,

928
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: we're not, We're not going there, and yeah, so where.

929
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: The NFL benefits. I do think it could get much

930
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: weirder in the offseason with the holdouts and the hold

931
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: ends like that. That's probably is at the beginning of that.

932
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: But in the sport of football, unlike like in basketball,

933
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: these guys could play three hundred sixty five days a

934
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: year if they want to, right pick up games. You

935
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: can play whenever in football, the only time you can

936
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: actually play a game is in the confines of the

937
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: seventeen weeks. And that's the fun part. What Ray Lewis say,

938
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: you pay me Monday through Saturday. Sundays are for free.

939
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: The games are really the fun part for the players.

940
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: That's the problem with the NBA. Turn on the TV.

941
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: You never know who's gonna play. Even in the NFL,

942
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: guy making forty fifty million dollars, he's still gonna want

943
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: to play in the games, Laramie Tunzel. A lot of

944
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: articles are coming out like, you know, he's kind of

945
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: late to practice, doesn't always work hard. It's like, well,

946
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: you don't know that if you just watch the TV,

947
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: because you're like, he's a good players, so I want

948
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: him on my team. So it's the NFL. They're weird.

949
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: Stuff happens during the week when no one's paying attention

950
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: that the games. It's like all the guys want to play.

951
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,880
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Speaker 1: You know, I was watching a clip of Jim Harbaugh

959
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: and I had just had this discussion with Steve Kime

960
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: about a week ago, two weeks ago, and I said,

961
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: if I was ever a GM, because he owes jokes.

962
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: He said, you're not a talk show host. You want

963
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: to be a GM. And I'm like, you know, I

964
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: like my job, but I would love to be a GM.

965
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: You know, if I would have put thirty years into

966
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: that instead of what I'm doing. Who knows, you know,

967
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: you don't know. But I told him, I said I

968
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: would overdraft the offensive line. And Harbaugh said this, and

969
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: this is what Steve and I said. Jim put it

970
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: more smartly. He said, there's only one unit in a

971
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: football field that doesn't rely on any other unit, yet

972
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: every other unit relies on it. And he said, it's

973
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: offensive line. It makes your quarterback better, your running back's better,

974
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: your tight end doesn't have to block as vigorously, your

975
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: wide receivers have more time to get downfield. It keeps

976
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: your defense off the field if you have a great

977
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: offensive line. And it was one of those things where

978
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: when you go back to drafting Joe Ault over a

979
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver, the Bears went wide receiver, and then this

980
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: year had to spend a fortune on their offensive line

981
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: instead of The Bears probably should have gone O line

982
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: instead of going with Roma Dunze. But it is interesting

983
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: that the more the NFL, you know, changes and becomes

984
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: an offensive league. We pay so much attention to quarterbacks.

985
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: But I and I made this pick the other day.

986
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are going to struggle, and I

987
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to win their division. I don't

988
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: think in this draft class there's a starting left tackle

989
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: good enough in their division to block Max Crosby or

990
00:49:53,320 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack or the kid number fifteen Oklahoma Bonito. But

991
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: I do, and it's really interesting. I think. I mean,

992
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: right now, the three or four teams I like in

993
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: the league all have great old lions, all of them. Philadelphia, Detroit.

994
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: I thought the Rams finally got their act together offensive line.

995
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: I think Buffalo's last year was better than people thought.

996
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: I thought Denver's was better than people thought. I think

997
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Kansas City, I think we've just baked it in, John.

998
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: They're not going ten to one in close games next year.

999
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree there, but their offensive line was

1000
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: future this year on the on the edges, and they

1001
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 2: were able to well. I mean they were basically a

1002
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: sixteen and one team. They threw the last game of

1003
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: the season. So when it comes to coaching, when it

1004
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: comes to the quarterback play, most importantly, their defense is

1005
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: going to be good. So like part of the reason

1006
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: they were winning all these games because they could win

1007
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: nineteen to seventeen, they weren't allowing many points. That is

1008
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: not going to change now the Chargers in the Broncos,

1009
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: You and I have been saying this, anyone with common

1010
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: sense has been saying this. The worst their teams were

1011
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: going to be was last seas. They're both going to

1012
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: be better. So if either Hufunga or Greenlaw play, that

1013
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: defense is going to be improved. In Denver's defense was awesome.

1014
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: When I saw DK Metcalf ask for a trade, a

1015
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: lot of people that covered the NFL were like the Chargers,

1016
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: It's like, guys, do you think that Jim Harbaugh is

1017
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: going to trade a top whatever fifty pick and pay

1018
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 2: a third contract to this kind of out there wide receiver,

1019
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: though very talented, kind of the poor man's modern day

1020
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: Torell Owens type. It's different, but I mean I think

1021
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: physically they have some to dk Metcalf. Are you guys nuts?

1022
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: And what does he do? He goes signs Makai Becton

1023
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: and he's he's got a huge I see yesterday, he's

1024
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: got a huge smile on his face. Like, have you

1025
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: guys not followed Jim Harbaugh's career since Stanford? This they

1026
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: might draft a wide receiver this year in the third round.

1027
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: I would expect tight end d lineman running back like

1028
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: it's Naji Harris. When I was living in the Bay Area,

1029
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: Naji was his senior year, was one of the biggest

1030
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: recruits in the country. I think he won number one recruit.

1031
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: He was number one, and it was I need to

1032
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: go to Alabama, but Jim was recruiting him very hard.

1033
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: And I saw a clip that Jim at an Antioch.

1034
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: I think he went to the homecoming game. He announced

1035
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: their king and queen and so like that's who he's Listen,

1036
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest nause star running back. First round

1037
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: guy but he is a solid, runs downhill, physical guy.

1038
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: Like that's how Jim wants to play. Jim wants to

1039
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: play a lot like this version of the Chiefs and

1040
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: clearly Denver, I think Sean would like to be a

1041
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: little more explosive down the field. But like that, that

1042
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: division is going to be really physical. And same thing

1043
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: with the I mean, we know how Pete Carroll, why

1044
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: did he butt heads with Russell Wilson. Russell wanted to

1045
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: throw it fifty times a game. Pete wanted to throw

1046
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: at about twenty in play d and run the ball.

1047
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: So I think this defense is gonna or this divisions

1048
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: is gonna look a lot like each other. Now you know,

1049
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: if for she Rice is healthy, Xavier Worthy came on.

1050
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: I do think the Chiefs offense could get more explosive,

1051
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 2: and I would also guess that they draft are running back.

1052
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: I think all these teams in this division could draft

1053
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: running backs, and if two of the four of them

1054
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: become stars, whichever ones those guys go to, like the

1055
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: next Yamire Gibbs or whoever, Nick Chubb, you know, you

1056
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: name it, those second round running backs hit for one

1057
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: of these teams could be the difference. If all of

1058
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: a sudden, you tell me Denver it has a version

1059
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: of Nick Chubb or you know Alvin Kamara on their squad.

1060
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, why couldn't they win twelve or

1061
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: thirteen games? Same thing with the Chargers, and maybe this

1062
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: is the year the Chiefs win. Two years ago when

1063
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: they won the Super Bowl, I think they won eleven games.

1064
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: So the difference between eleven and fifteen is like a

1065
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 2: couple of missfield goals and a couple fumbles go your way.

1066
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the yeah, it's it's I thought, I thought DeVante

1067
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: Adams was obviously a great move for the Rams, but

1068
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: I thought, Najee Harris, there were a couple of moves

1069
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: I loved. Offensively, I think Deebo Samuel to Cliff Kingsbury

1070
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: and Jaden is a sensational move for them at this point,

1071
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: he'll get tons of looks, and by the way, it

1072
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: will give Cliff another twelve offensive plays because Deebo's such

1073
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: a unique player. And then I also thought, I thought,

1074
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: I thought Najie Harris. I'm like, remember a couple of

1075
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: years ago when Kevin Dohnson wasn't going to start for

1076
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: the Steelers. McVeagh grabs him, and he literally is the

1077
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: highest rated guard in the league. Najie Harris with a

1078
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh go line, everybody's like almost a semi bust. Watch

1079
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: him with hardball, watch him be really effective with hardball.

1080
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: I think of this all the time. Is I remember

1081
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: GM telling this years ago? He said, I used to

1082
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: love drafting Georgia guys when Mark Rick was there, great recruiter,

1083
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: didn't squeeze all the juice out of a player like

1084
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: you got. You know, these guys had a lot of upside.

1085
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: Nick Saban squeezes every ounce of talent out of guys.

1086
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: And one of the things I look at John when

1087
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: these offensive coaches like McVeigh will go and find wide receivers.

1088
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: He looked at DeVante and he thought jet Staff lab

1089
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: year was like third tier. He's like, DeVante's gonna make

1090
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: eighty catches for us. So I thought, yeah, I mean so,

1091
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: I do think when you see these offensive coaches they

1092
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: find some of these defensive cultures and they find players

1093
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: and go get me that.

1094
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think you look at the Eagles last year,

1095
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: Mackai Becton. This year they trade for that former first

1096
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: round pick from the Densons because now listen, you're not

1097
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: going to hit on them all, but the power of

1098
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: having good coordinators and now so many of the offensive

1099
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: ones are also the head coach. But you see it

1100
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: a lot when the star offensive line coach or the

1101
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: star defensive line coach. It's like buying a cheap stock

1102
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: and the guy a year later turns into a twelve

1103
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: million dollar player. You can't afford, but you bought low

1104
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: like you profited from it. And I think the best

1105
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 2: teams always have that ability. I also think the Washington

1106
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: commanders with Debo and with Tunzel Tounsel not as much

1107
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: because he would get paid no matter what you got. Debo.

1108
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: He's in a contract years like Debo. If you ever

1109
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: want to make a even of that's right, two year,

1110
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: forty million dollar contract. Again, you got to slim down

1111
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: and give us all you got. And I think sometimes

1112
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: getting those guys motivated is a really big deal for

1113
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: these you know, it used to be a guy going

1114
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: to their third contract probably be like thirty four years old.

1115
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: These guys are a little younger now, you know, they're

1116
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: twenty nine, thirty years old sometimes on their third you

1117
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: know DK Metcalf, Yeah, they're not as old as you know,

1118
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: in previous generations. So sometimes these teams now with their

1119
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: cap space, these free aging classes after like the first

1120
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: ten names, most of them like the average fans like

1121
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: who's that guy? You can take advantage of it with

1122
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: traits overpriced guys on other teams at Adam Peters really

1123
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: did that with Tounzel and Deebo Samuel a ton of

1124
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 2: cap space, But I'm not going to buy all these

1125
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: players and pay premiums on guys that aren't quite worth

1126
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: it like the Packers. Listen. I understand Aaron Banks has

1127
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: been a starter for the forty nine ers, but to

1128
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: give him that much money to be your little guard

1129
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: fell a little desperate to me. As guard works. We

1130
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: have seen some questionable guard contracts in recent memory, and

1131
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: I understand offensive linemen more of a plug and play.

1132
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: It's a lot of money to pay a guy. You

1133
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: might be able to find stuff plug and play starter

1134
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: in like the third round, and the Packers historically have

1135
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: always been able to do it.

1136
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, John Middlcoff form her NFL scout. He

1137
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: is newly married. Now have you guys done the honeymoon yet?

1138
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: We just came home, you know, we had work to

1139
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: do Colin, and we were in Nashville. We got there

1140
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, and most of our people got there Wednesday,

1141
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: so it was basically a honeymoon in a marriage or wedding,

1142
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, for five days. I don't quite have the

1143
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: drinking ability that in my younger days. But then we

1144
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: get home and you know, obviously free agency is kicking off.

1145
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: She's had changed to this luxury brokerage, so she's really busy,

1146
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: and I realized, like, you go go on the honeymoon

1147
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: necessarily to go hang out and party, just to kind

1148
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: of come down and nice. But so no, I think

1149
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: we're going to go to Costa Rica right before I think,

1150
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: you know that last week you and I have been

1151
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: talking about the last couple of years, that last week

1152
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: the preseason where the games are kind of over and

1153
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: there's nothing going on as college football. Her mom had

1154
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: won this trip. So we're going to Costa Rica, I think,

1155
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: for like six days that last week of August, right

1156
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: before the NFL season, So we got a little time.

1157
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: That's That's a great place because I've had multiple friends

1158
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: go there, all of them absolutely, all of them absolutely

1159
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: loved it. John as always, Buddy, congrats on everything in

1160
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: your life and uh what it cross today.

1161
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: Thanks Colin, see you buddy.

1162
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: The volume