WEBVTT - Sarah Drew 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.120 My whole career started because of a decision I made 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:09.319 in the bathroom there because we were doing we'd only 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:09.799 been working. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:12.400 Let's it's bad decisions that happened. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:17.280 It's a good decision. This is a good choice. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:20.400 Hi. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:31.840 My name is Sarah Drew and I love horseback riding. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.880 Hello once again, Welcome one and all to a brand 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:45.040 spanking new episode of Off the Beat. It's me as always, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:51.559 Brian Baumgartner. Is there a doctor in the house. Well, no, 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.680 there's not, but my guest today did play a doctor 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.360 on TV, doctor April Kepner, or as I know her, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.840 Sarah Drew from Gray's Anatomy. She's not only a doctor, 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.880 but guess what, she's also a mom on Amber Brown, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.800 a shy teen from Everwood and a popular high school 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:20.520 girl from Daria. In real life, she is one a 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:26.280 delightful human two a fantastic actor, but also a real 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:32.280 life writer and producer of lifetime movies including Reindeer Games, Homecoming, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:38.119 and A Cowboy Christmas Romance. So let's dive right in 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.800 to Sarah's life as a pastor's daughter on Long Island, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.240 starting her career on Daria while she was still in 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.760 high school and making the move behind the camera as 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.480 a writer and producer. Here she is my new friend, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:59.680 Sarah Drew. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:00.920 Bubble and squeak. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:07.960 I love it, Bubble and Squeakna, Bubble and squeak. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.280 I cook get every more left over from the night pople. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:29.440 Hi, Sarah, how are you? I'm so good? How are you? 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.120 I'm great. It's so nice to meet you. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.520 It is very, very nice to meet you. I've been 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:40.040 a fan of yours for a long time. Oh, thanks 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.240 for taking the time. Where are you today? 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.000 I'm just at home in l A. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.200 You're in l A? All right? 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.600 Where are you? Are you in l A? 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:54.600 I'm I'm adjacent. Yeah, I'm near, I'm near. It's fine. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.400 It's finally nice here. So we have a we have 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:02.519 a nice day to sit inside and talk. So there go. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.880 What what? What's what's happening? I mean we're coming into 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.240 spring here. Are you excited about this? 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:13.480 Yeah? 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.200 I mean I'm excited to have warm weather again. I'm 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.399 excited for my daughter to want it to get into 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.600 the pool because it's not quite as freezing. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:29.560 That's exciting. Gets some energy out when she gets home. Yeah, 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.000 I don't know. I got a movie coming out at 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.000 the end of this month. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:38.760 I was just about to say, write new spring blooms 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.640 new things, and so it is. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:47.040 Always blooming new, always bloom, always new things. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.160 We're going to talk about that, uh in a little bit. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:55.680 You're in La now, but you came originally from New York. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:02.160 I have been I have been researching you. Uh fascinating 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.960 to me childhood. Uh. Your your father was a was 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:12.280 a pastor. Is that right? Yeah? Now so you you 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:18.120 saw him in a way performing h a stage? 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:19.680 Absolutely? Yes. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.760 Do you do you feel like was was that your 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.240 first sort of in person watching someone in front of 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.800 a group of people. Was this something that was interesting 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.880 to you as a child? Did you Did you think 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.400 about it? 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.720 Absolutely? 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.800 I mean there is there is a lot of theater 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.960 to the church experience. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:38.599 For sure. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.119 You go and you sit down, you get your program, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.960 you follow along, you sing along sometimes which you don't 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.599 get to do usually in musicals. But and then there's 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:52.600 a presentation and there's uh it's uh, there is a 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.000 theater aspect to it. So I grew up you know 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.400 that always being a part of my life in a 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:03.120 big way. I I will say, I mean I started performing. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.320 I would do little my dad would do little skits, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.680 little church skits, you know, like for the kids and stuff, 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.240 put on crazy clothes and be silly upfront. He's all 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.080 he's like a big ham He's silly and also deep 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.640 and wonderful and wise and all the things. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.919 But I started. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.040 I think the first moment my parents were like, oh, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.360 this might be a thing was my graduation from kindergarten, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.760 where I just walked on to the stage with all 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.800 the presents in the world, absolutely eating up the reality 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.279 that there was an audience full of people and just 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.600 was like A is for apple. Well, I think it 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.159 was a Christian school, so I think I said it 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.600 was Bee is for be still and know that. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:45.240 I am God. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.800 So they kind of looked at each other and they're like, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.719 that's interesting, and then they couldn't get me off the 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.279 stage any opportunity I had. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.880 I've been performing ever. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:02.600 Since, So at a super young age, you decided this 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.520 is what you wanted to do. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.040 There is an I never wanted to do anything else 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:12.080 in the world. It was always from my earliest memories, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.960 all I wanted to do was perform. I would come 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.720 up with shows and make my parents give me tickets, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.440 like I'd make tickets and then I would do a 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.120 show on the coffee table, you. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.080 Know, like that. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.080 That was I wrote a musical when I was eleven, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.520 Never got never got to make it happen because you know, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.880 everybody went back to school and nobody had time anymore. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:39.760 But but fully had auditions and started rehearsals that you know, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:46.240 all the community theater and all the school plays. Anytime 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.960 I could get to jump into somebody else's skin and 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.480 live live a life through somebody else's eyes, I wanted 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:52.880 to do it. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.840 So it sounds like not, but I read that your 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.520 your brothers are are also pastors in the church. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.919 One brother, one brother, and he was a pastor for 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.320 about ten years and now he is working sort of 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.960 adjacent to the church, but he's working for a nonprofit 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.360 that whose whole purpose is to activate the church to 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.400 care about the climate crisis. Okay, so that's what he's 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.240 working on now. But it's in the same world of 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.600 let's let's gather as a community to care and be 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.560 good stewards of the people and the planet that we're on. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:41.920 Well, that's a responsible mission, yes, time to accomplish absolutely, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.600 did you. I mean it sounds like performing was always 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.000 in your blood. Did you ever have a thought to 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:53.440 go into theology or religious stuy? 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:54.480 I mean I did. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:59.480 I was always in leadership positions. So I would I 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.000 would go to the Christian youth camps, and then I 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.440 would come home from the internships, and then I would 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.040 start a Bible study and I would plan my talks. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.240 And so in high school I was leading Bible studies, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:16.080 and in college as well, I met my husband actually 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.360 leading worship. We sang and he plays guitar too, and 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.920 so that was how I met my husband, always being 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.920 kind of upfront in some sort of leadership position. And 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.160 the interesting thing is I was never interested in going 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:33.280 into theology for like any kind of pastoral role. I 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.439 knew though that I had giftings and talents for leadership. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.600 And so really in the last five years since leaving Grays, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.000 I've been producing and writing and directing too, and so 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.400 that leadership stuff. I find that I feel very at 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.320 home when I'm in a leadership position. It feels very 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.520 very I feel very alive. I love taking care of 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.160 people I love, you know, captaining the ship in a 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.760 way that makes people feel seen and loved in a 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.959 very similar way that I think my dad would pastor 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.600 his church, but obviously not remotely related to religion, just 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.400 related to creating good. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.320 Community, right. And while that might be a skill that 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:23.880 you have, undoubtedly these early experiences in the church gave 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:29.160 you experience and an opportunity to sort of at least 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.840 try that out or flex those muscles. Right. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.880 Oh, absolutely, yeah, standing up in front of people and 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:41.920 guiding a discussion and planning, you know, planning my talk 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.840 and writing out the thoughts and listening to you know. Yeah, 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:50.200 of course, I mean I directed a little bit. I 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.920 remember directing the spring play my senior year of high school. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.720 So just any opportunity I had to be able to 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.280 in a ship in some way, I did. And then 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.680 I kind of took a seat and was just sort 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.079 of a good soldier as an actor for like twenty 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:15.560 years before I got my first opportunity to step into 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:16.800 those leadership roles again. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:22.439 You grew up in Stony Brook. Did you find yourself 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.800 going into the city a lot, meaning the city New 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:28.360 York City? 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:28.600 Oh? 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:30.520 Is there another city? 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.360 Right? Yeah? 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.880 Sounds like a New Yorker to see shows? I mean, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.240 was that a part of your upbringing? 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:40.160 Absolutely? 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.760 The way that because we didn't have a lot of money. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.120 My mom, well, she was a research scientist and then 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.400 she left that career to become a teacher at a 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.959 private school that she wanted to put us in because 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.560 I needed to move into a different school situation, and 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.040 she changed careers and became a teacher actually in order 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:00.600 to get us into this I have a school, so 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.120 we could actually afford to go, so. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:03.680 Where we didn't. 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.319 I did not grow up with like a lot of 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.640 extra money or funds lying around. So what we would 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.800 do is we would go at the crack dawn, get 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.720 on the train, take the train into Manhattan, and go 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.840 stand in line for four hours at ts KTS. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.120 Oh yeah, that's where you were going. Yeah, that's so great. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.960 I tell people that all the time, like, if you 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.800 put in the effort, you have the opportunity. And particularly 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.160 as someone who who has an interest in the field, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.760 like I don't know, I'm gonna I'm gonna like date 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.959 myself by references or whatever. But it's like you don't 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.839 have to go see lay Miz or whatever is the 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:50.120 top show at that moment, Hamilton. I mean, you know, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.960 eventually those opportunities may become available, but just see stuff 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:59.760 and experience good bad, or indifferent work that gives you 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.480 touch of a base to pull from as you're moving forward, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.000 even seeing stuff that maybe is not your thing. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.720 Right, No, I, I mean we that's that. That was 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.120 the sort of fun and joy and crapshoot of it 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.280 all is that you go, you take the journey, and 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.720 it's a two hour journey into the city, just the 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.720 train ride as a two hour train ride, you know, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.920 and you're getting up at the crack of dawn to 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.240 get out with the whole family in tow and there's 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.000 no guarantee that you're going to get to see any 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.280 of the shows that you want to see, so it's 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.120 just like a what's available, what can we do? I 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.079 also remember there used to be standing room only tickets 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.280 you can get that I that we used to do 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.520 all the time. I remember seeing Lion King's SR s 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.160 ro O as my mom when I was calling. We 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.560 got some sro tickets so we would stand in the 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.240 back with our our arms on the on the back 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:55.240 thing in the orchestra and watch the show standing. I mean, 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.080 I I saw so I saw Lee Miz that way, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:02.960 I saw a fan of the opera, I saw Lion 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.320 King that way, you know, and then I also remember, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.120 and this was after I think in my college years, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.959 when I was home for winter break or something, when 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.840 Wicked was like the height of everything, and they had 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.640 this like lottery so you could put your names in 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.600 and maybe get tickets, and my mom and I actually 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.200 won two tickets and sat and saw Wicked for twenty 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.520 bucks each in the front row, which was amazing. However, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.280 the show that we saw earlier that day was this 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.959 random show that I don't even remember the name of 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.960 it. It was about a bunch of folks who were homeless 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.679 and the angels that came alongside of them and cared 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.679 for them, and the music was incredible. We were weeping, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.000 weeping like it was and it only lasted a couple 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.480 of months on Broadway. It wasn't a big hit. And 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.079 I remember being so deeply moved by that show that 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:01.120 nobody had heard of that we ran got tickets to 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.439 because there were tickets to it at TKTS And that 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.760 was my highlight more than being in the front row 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:07.400 to see Wicket. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.079 Yeah, that's amazing, Yeah, I do, I miss so. I 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.160 remember seeing an early version of Cabaret that that same 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.080 way I couldn't get in. Did the the Sro stuff 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.440 and and loved every minute of it. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.000 I think there's something also about when you're when you're 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.560 making the choice to do the thing that's not very 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.080 comfortable and takes a lot of effort, it makes you 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:36.760 appreciate the experience also so much more, Like I better 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.040 like this show. I better find all the things that 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.440 are great about the show and love it because I 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.480 spend all day to trying to get in to see 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.800 this and then you like jump for joy that you 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.160 actually got into the the Sro seed, Like, yes. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.120 I get to see this thing. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.640 It doesn't matter that I'm standing, you know, I don't know. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:58.120 Uh. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.440 So you're in high school. You're you're in high school 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:07.840 and you end up getting cast with a voice role 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:14.440 as Stacy in Daria, which ends up becoming quite quite 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.680 a big thing. Now, how how did that come about 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.440 for you? And let me just say this, I've said 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.000 this a lot, being a voice actor. If you think 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.480 being an actor is hard, being a voice actor is 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:31.080 way way more difficult, uh to do? How How did 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.840 how did that role come about for you? 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:33.720 So? 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.000 Yeah, and by the way, I keep trying and nobody 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.720 wants me for any other cartoons or animated anything. You know, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.360 it doesn't matter that I was on Gray's Anatomy for 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.240 nine years. They're like, Nope, you're not in the Mafia. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.080 You're not in the Voice Sober Mafia, so you don't 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:49.840 get to do it. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.600 How did you get in the mafia though? To start? 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:54.000 You're there. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.880 So the interesting thing is it's actually funny because it's 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.480 similar to how Grays turned up. 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:00.280 It is. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:08.560 I I was doing like children's theater at this awesome 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.560 regional theater on Long Island called Gateway Playhouse, and there 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.960 was a so they it was an established regional the 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.840 summerstock theater, so there were professionals that would live there 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.600 and do main stage shows, but during the summer we 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:27.080 would also the kids in the area would. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.160 Do children's theater. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.920 So we would use the same stages as the main 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.400 stage was, so we would be doing like Winnie the 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.240 Pooh on the set of The King and I you know, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.280 like that's just that was what we were doing, right, 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.440 And our dream was to be on main. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:41.960 Stage, you know. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.400 That was just like, oh, if we could just get 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.720 to main stage, all our dreams would come true. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:47.320 Right. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.680 But with that community, there was like a couple actors 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.920 that I knew a couple friends that I knew there 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.320 who had like a manager who worked out of her 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.280 basement on Long Island, you know, and she and they 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.280 introduced me to her. So I started auditioning for a 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.240 couple of little things and she got me this audition 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.120 for a guest spot on Daria. So I actually started 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.320 on Daria playing a little girl that Daria baby sits for, okay, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.240 And I remember she would sang the song I can 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.000 hope and I Can dream and I am full love 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.640 self esteem, Like I literally was playing like a seven 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.080 year old or something. So I did that, and they 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.159 had a different actress playing Stacy actually the beginning of 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.159 the show, and then that actress fell out, and then 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.320 they asked me to read for Stacy and to take 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.439 over the role, and then I was Stacy for the 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:35.240 rest of the run. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.120 Wow, isn't that crazy? 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.359 Yeah? And this is a good run. And this was 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.040 a big show, Like were you aware as you were 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.479 doing it how big it was? Were you? 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.800 Okay, completely unaware? 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.800 And I got paid nothing because I was I mean nothing, yes. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.680 Zero, no residuals. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.800 Like I would go in and record five episodes at once, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.840 and they'd give me a couple hundred bucks and call 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.720 it a day, like nothing. So, I mean, I think 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.040 about the staying power of that show and I'm just like, well, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.399 I didn't really have representation then. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.359 So wow. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.040 Yeah, I mean I remember I was still recording those 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.280 episodes when I went to college, and they would just 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.560 hold all of my stuff to do all at once, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.879 and I would take the train in to Manhattan from 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.600 Virginia where I was in college, and I would just 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.480 record for six hours straight, several episodes, all my lines 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.040 and then call it a day. And that's it. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.959 And you were you in the Union? 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.760 No, no, no, nothing. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:50.240 No nothing. You were literally just like I was just a. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:59.040 Hired kid that everybody took advantage of. That's inane, a 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.320 single pen of residuals now. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.879 So you see nothing now, I've never. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.920 Seen anything, not even just now. I've never seen a cent. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.800 They just slip you. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:13.679 I was non union. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.879 I had no experience. There was I think they called 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.760 me directly, like the manager might have gotten me that 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.040 first audition, but then they called me direct mes i'd want. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.080 To come in and read this other part into. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.840 And for me, I'm like, yay, I'm doing something professional. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:36.760 No, wow, all right, Well, yeah, producers of Daria, I'm 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:37.679 coming after. 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.320 You, I know, and there's some sort of reboot or something. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.479 I mean, they never include me in any of that stuff. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.200 It's as if I was never there. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.800 Well, it's better for them if they pretend you were 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:56.000 never there, Sarah, What, I don't think that's right. That 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:56.920 wasn't anyone. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:58.320 That can't be true. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:03.119 No, it had to have and someone else. Wow, that's crazy. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.679 But I did have a lot of cool bragging power 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.960 during that time. I didn't watch I didn't watch the show. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.800 I didn't have MTV, I had no access to it, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.760 and there was no streaming at that point, so like, 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.800 I never even really saw it. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.000 And you know, I but people were like, Daria, you're 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.080 on Daria. You have you have a role? 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.400 Yeah, I mean I get a couple hundred bucks every 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:27.120 few months. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:35.440 Oh that's so good, that is so MTV. Wow. All right. Uh, well, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.040 you say you went to college. You ended up going 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:43.440 down south Ish South adjacent is what I call Virginia, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.280 down to the University of Virginia study drama. I had 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.760 a great friend from high school who went there studied drama. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:55.359 How was that experience? 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.120 I loved it? I loved down a second. I loved it. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:04.840 I I had some incredible professors there. In fact, my 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.520 you know what was so great is first of all, 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.600 I got to have the real college experience, you know, 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:12.639 like I just got to study all the things. It 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.520 wasn't a conservatory program. The drama department was very friendly, 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.040 not competitive, just like I found I still have some 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.879 of my best friends in the world from doing drama 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:28.199 at UVA. I lived in awesome houses with good friends, 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.000 like it just was. It was everything you would want 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:36.520 a college experience to be. I found, you know, I 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:41.879 found my people. I found other layers to myself that 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:43.600 I know, all the things that you want to do 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:44.200 at college. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:44.920 It was good. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.760 It was really really good. And then my professors were amazing. 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:52.000 And so what's interesting is I I did this musical 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.080 theater program in New York called CAP twenty one the 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.760 summer between my second and third year of college, and 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.040 my whole career started because of a decision I made 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:07.679 in the bathroom there because we were doing we'd only been. 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.359 Working bad decisions that happened. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.600 Now this is a good decision, this is a good choice. 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.280 We're in the I'm in the bathroom and we have 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:21.479 this casting director from Telsea Casting coming to do a 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:25.119 masterclass with us that afternoon. At this musical theater program, 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.720 we had not worked on monologues at all. We had 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.760 only been doing songs. So every student was planning to 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.960 do two songs for this casting director and get the 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.400 feedback and whatever. In the bathroom, I was like, I've 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:43.840 been learning during this musical theater program, then maybe musical 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.280 theater isn't for me professionally, and that maybe I'm a 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.080 stronger actor than I am a singer, and I have 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.040 a shot to show this person what I can do 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:55.359 as an actor. So I pulled out Nora from a 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.719 doll's house because they just had that in my back pocket, right, 0:22:58.960 --> 0:22:59.880