1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: My whole career started because of a decision I made 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: in the bathroom there because we were doing we'd only 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: been working. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: Let's it's bad decisions that happened. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 3: It's a good decision. This is a good choice. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 4: Hi. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: My name is Sarah Drew and I love horseback riding. 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Hello once again, Welcome one and all to a brand 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: spanking new episode of Off the Beat. It's me as always, 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: Brian Baumgartner. Is there a doctor in the house. Well, no, 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: there's not, but my guest today did play a doctor 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: on TV, doctor April Kepner, or as I know her, 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: Sarah Drew from Gray's Anatomy. She's not only a doctor, 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: but guess what, she's also a mom on Amber Brown, 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: a shy teen from Everwood and a popular high school 16 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: girl from Daria. In real life, she is one a 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: delightful human two a fantastic actor, but also a real 18 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: life writer and producer of lifetime movies including Reindeer Games, Homecoming, 19 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: and A Cowboy Christmas Romance. So let's dive right in 20 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: to Sarah's life as a pastor's daughter on Long Island, 21 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: starting her career on Daria while she was still in 22 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: high school and making the move behind the camera as 23 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: a writer and producer. Here she is my new friend, 24 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Sarah Drew. 25 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 4: Bubble and squeak. 26 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: I love it, Bubble and Squeakna, Bubble and squeak. 27 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: I cook get every more left over from the night pople. 28 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: Hi, Sarah, how are you? I'm so good? How are you? 29 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: I'm great. It's so nice to meet you. 30 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: It is very, very nice to meet you. I've been 31 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: a fan of yours for a long time. Oh, thanks 32 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: for taking the time. Where are you today? 33 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: I'm just at home in l A. 34 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: You're in l A? All right? 35 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: Where are you? Are you in l A? 36 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm I'm adjacent. Yeah, I'm near, I'm near. It's fine. 37 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: It's finally nice here. So we have a we have 38 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: a nice day to sit inside and talk. So there go. 39 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: What what? What's what's happening? I mean we're coming into 40 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: spring here. Are you excited about this? 41 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 42 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean I'm excited to have warm weather again. I'm 43 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: excited for my daughter to want it to get into 44 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: the pool because it's not quite as freezing. 45 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: That's exciting. Gets some energy out when she gets home. Yeah, 46 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. I got a movie coming out at 47 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: the end of this month. 48 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: I was just about to say, write new spring blooms 49 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: new things, and so it is. 50 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Always blooming new, always bloom, always new things. 51 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that, uh in a little bit. 52 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: You're in La now, but you came originally from New York. 53 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: I have been I have been researching you. Uh fascinating 54 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: to me childhood. Uh. Your your father was a was 55 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: a pastor. Is that right? Yeah? Now so you you 56 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: saw him in a way performing h a stage? 57 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yes. 58 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: Do you do you feel like was was that your 59 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: first sort of in person watching someone in front of 60 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: a group of people. Was this something that was interesting 61 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: to you as a child? Did you Did you think 62 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: about it? 63 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 64 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean there is there is a lot of theater 65 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: to the church experience. 66 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: For sure. 67 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: You go and you sit down, you get your program, 68 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: you follow along, you sing along sometimes which you don't 69 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: get to do usually in musicals. But and then there's 70 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: a presentation and there's uh it's uh, there is a 71 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: theater aspect to it. So I grew up you know 72 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: that always being a part of my life in a 73 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: big way. I I will say, I mean I started performing. 74 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: I would do little my dad would do little skits, 75 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: little church skits, you know, like for the kids and stuff, 76 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: put on crazy clothes and be silly upfront. He's all 77 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: he's like a big ham He's silly and also deep 78 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: and wonderful and wise and all the things. 79 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 3: But I started. 80 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: I think the first moment my parents were like, oh, 81 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: this might be a thing was my graduation from kindergarten, 82 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: where I just walked on to the stage with all 83 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: the presents in the world, absolutely eating up the reality 84 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: that there was an audience full of people and just 85 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: was like A is for apple. Well, I think it 86 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: was a Christian school, so I think I said it 87 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: was Bee is for be still and know that. 88 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: I am God. 89 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: So they kind of looked at each other and they're like, 90 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: that's interesting, and then they couldn't get me off the 91 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: stage any opportunity I had. 92 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: I've been performing ever. 93 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: Since, So at a super young age, you decided this 94 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: is what you wanted to do. 95 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: There is an I never wanted to do anything else 96 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: in the world. It was always from my earliest memories, 97 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: all I wanted to do was perform. I would come 98 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: up with shows and make my parents give me tickets, 99 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: like I'd make tickets and then I would do a 100 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: show on the coffee table, you. 101 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: Know, like that. 102 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: That was I wrote a musical when I was eleven, 103 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Never got never got to make it happen because you know, 104 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: everybody went back to school and nobody had time anymore. 105 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: But but fully had auditions and started rehearsals that you know, 106 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: all the community theater and all the school plays. Anytime 107 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: I could get to jump into somebody else's skin and 108 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: live live a life through somebody else's eyes, I wanted 109 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: to do it. 110 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: So it sounds like not, but I read that your 111 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: your brothers are are also pastors in the church. 112 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: One brother, one brother, and he was a pastor for 113 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: about ten years and now he is working sort of 114 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: adjacent to the church, but he's working for a nonprofit 115 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: that whose whole purpose is to activate the church to 116 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: care about the climate crisis. Okay, so that's what he's 117 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: working on now. But it's in the same world of 118 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: let's let's gather as a community to care and be 119 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: good stewards of the people and the planet that we're on. 120 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Well, that's a responsible mission, yes, time to accomplish absolutely, 121 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: did you. I mean it sounds like performing was always 122 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: in your blood. Did you ever have a thought to 123 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: go into theology or religious stuy? 124 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: I mean I did. 125 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I was always in leadership positions. So I would I 126 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: would go to the Christian youth camps, and then I 127 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: would come home from the internships, and then I would 128 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: start a Bible study and I would plan my talks. 129 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: And so in high school I was leading Bible studies, 130 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: and in college as well, I met my husband actually 131 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: leading worship. We sang and he plays guitar too, and 132 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: so that was how I met my husband, always being 133 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of upfront in some sort of leadership position. And 134 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: the interesting thing is I was never interested in going 135 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: into theology for like any kind of pastoral role. I 136 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: knew though that I had giftings and talents for leadership. 137 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: And so really in the last five years since leaving Grays, 138 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: I've been producing and writing and directing too, and so 139 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: that leadership stuff. I find that I feel very at 140 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: home when I'm in a leadership position. It feels very 141 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: very I feel very alive. I love taking care of 142 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: people I love, you know, captaining the ship in a 143 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: way that makes people feel seen and loved in a 144 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: very similar way that I think my dad would pastor 145 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: his church, but obviously not remotely related to religion, just 146 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: related to creating good. 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: Community, right. And while that might be a skill that 148 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: you have, undoubtedly these early experiences in the church gave 149 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: you experience and an opportunity to sort of at least 150 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: try that out or flex those muscles. Right. 151 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, yeah, standing up in front of people and 152 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: guiding a discussion and planning, you know, planning my talk 153 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: and writing out the thoughts and listening to you know. Yeah, 154 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: of course, I mean I directed a little bit. I 155 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: remember directing the spring play my senior year of high school. 156 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: So just any opportunity I had to be able to 157 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: in a ship in some way, I did. And then 158 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: I kind of took a seat and was just sort 159 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: of a good soldier as an actor for like twenty 160 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: years before I got my first opportunity to step into 161 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: those leadership roles again. 162 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: You grew up in Stony Brook. Did you find yourself 163 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: going into the city a lot, meaning the city New 164 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: York City? 165 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: Oh? 166 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: Is there another city? 167 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: Right? Yeah? 168 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: Sounds like a New Yorker to see shows? I mean, 169 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: was that a part of your upbringing? 170 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 171 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: The way that because we didn't have a lot of money. 172 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: My mom, well, she was a research scientist and then 173 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: she left that career to become a teacher at a 174 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: private school that she wanted to put us in because 175 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: I needed to move into a different school situation, and 176 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: she changed careers and became a teacher actually in order 177 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: to get us into this I have a school, so 178 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: we could actually afford to go, so. 179 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: Where we didn't. 180 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: I did not grow up with like a lot of 181 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: extra money or funds lying around. So what we would 182 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: do is we would go at the crack dawn, get 183 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: on the train, take the train into Manhattan, and go 184 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: stand in line for four hours at ts KTS. 185 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's where you were going. Yeah, that's so great. 186 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: I tell people that all the time, like, if you 187 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: put in the effort, you have the opportunity. And particularly 188 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: as someone who who has an interest in the field, 189 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: like I don't know, I'm gonna I'm gonna like date 190 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: myself by references or whatever. But it's like you don't 191 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: have to go see lay Miz or whatever is the 192 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: top show at that moment, Hamilton. I mean, you know, 193 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: eventually those opportunities may become available, but just see stuff 194 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: and experience good bad, or indifferent work that gives you 195 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: touch of a base to pull from as you're moving forward, 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: even seeing stuff that maybe is not your thing. 197 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: Right, No, I, I mean we that's that. That was 198 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: the sort of fun and joy and crapshoot of it 199 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: all is that you go, you take the journey, and 200 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: it's a two hour journey into the city, just the 201 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: train ride as a two hour train ride, you know, 202 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: and you're getting up at the crack of dawn to 203 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: get out with the whole family in tow and there's 204 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: no guarantee that you're going to get to see any 205 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: of the shows that you want to see, so it's 206 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: just like a what's available, what can we do? I 207 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: also remember there used to be standing room only tickets 208 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: you can get that I that we used to do 209 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: all the time. I remember seeing Lion King's SR s 210 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: ro O as my mom when I was calling. We 211 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: got some sro tickets so we would stand in the 212 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: back with our our arms on the on the back 213 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: thing in the orchestra and watch the show standing. I mean, 214 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: I I saw so I saw Lee Miz that way, 215 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: I saw a fan of the opera, I saw Lion 216 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: King that way, you know, and then I also remember, 217 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: and this was after I think in my college years, 218 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: when I was home for winter break or something, when 219 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Wicked was like the height of everything, and they had 220 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: this like lottery so you could put your names in 221 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: and maybe get tickets, and my mom and I actually 222 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: won two tickets and sat and saw Wicked for twenty 223 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: bucks each in the front row, which was amazing. However, 224 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: the show that we saw earlier that day was this 225 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: random show that I don't even remember the name of 226 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: it. It was about a bunch of folks who were homeless 227 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: and the angels that came alongside of them and cared 228 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: for them, and the music was incredible. We were weeping, 229 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: weeping like it was and it only lasted a couple 230 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: of months on Broadway. It wasn't a big hit. And 231 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: I remember being so deeply moved by that show that 232 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: nobody had heard of that we ran got tickets to 233 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: because there were tickets to it at TKTS And that 234 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: was my highlight more than being in the front row 235 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: to see Wicket. 236 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, Yeah, I do, I miss so. I 237 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: remember seeing an early version of Cabaret that that same 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: way I couldn't get in. Did the the Sro stuff 239 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: and and loved every minute of it. 240 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: I think there's something also about when you're when you're 241 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: making the choice to do the thing that's not very 242 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: comfortable and takes a lot of effort, it makes you 243 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: appreciate the experience also so much more, Like I better 244 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: like this show. I better find all the things that 245 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: are great about the show and love it because I 246 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: spend all day to trying to get in to see 247 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: this and then you like jump for joy that you 248 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: actually got into the the Sro seed, Like, yes. 249 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 4: I get to see this thing. 250 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that I'm standing, you know, I don't know. 251 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: Uh. 252 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: So you're in high school. You're you're in high school 253 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: and you end up getting cast with a voice role 254 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: as Stacy in Daria, which ends up becoming quite quite 255 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: a big thing. Now, how how did that come about 256 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: for you? And let me just say this, I've said 257 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: this a lot, being a voice actor. If you think 258 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: being an actor is hard, being a voice actor is 259 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: way way more difficult, uh to do? How How did 260 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: how did that role come about for you? 261 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 4: So? 262 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, I keep trying and nobody 263 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: wants me for any other cartoons or animated anything. You know, 264 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that I was on Gray's Anatomy for 265 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: nine years. They're like, Nope, you're not in the Mafia. 266 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: You're not in the Voice Sober Mafia, so you don't 267 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: get to do it. 268 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: How did you get in the mafia though? To start? 269 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: You're there. 270 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: So the interesting thing is it's actually funny because it's 271 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: similar to how Grays turned up. 272 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: It is. 273 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: I I was doing like children's theater at this awesome 274 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: regional theater on Long Island called Gateway Playhouse, and there 275 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: was a so they it was an established regional the 276 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: summerstock theater, so there were professionals that would live there 277 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: and do main stage shows, but during the summer we 278 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: would also the kids in the area would. 279 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: Do children's theater. 280 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: So we would use the same stages as the main 281 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: stage was, so we would be doing like Winnie the 282 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Pooh on the set of The King and I you know, 283 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: like that's just that was what we were doing, right, 284 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: And our dream was to be on main. 285 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: Stage, you know. 286 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: That was just like, oh, if we could just get 287 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: to main stage, all our dreams would come true. 288 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: Right. 289 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: But with that community, there was like a couple actors 290 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: that I knew a couple friends that I knew there 291 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: who had like a manager who worked out of her 292 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: basement on Long Island, you know, and she and they 293 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: introduced me to her. So I started auditioning for a 294 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: couple of little things and she got me this audition 295 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: for a guest spot on Daria. So I actually started 296 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: on Daria playing a little girl that Daria baby sits for, okay, 297 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: And I remember she would sang the song I can 298 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: hope and I Can dream and I am full love 299 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: self esteem, Like I literally was playing like a seven 300 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: year old or something. So I did that, and they 301 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: had a different actress playing Stacy actually the beginning of 302 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: the show, and then that actress fell out, and then 303 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: they asked me to read for Stacy and to take 304 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: over the role, and then I was Stacy for the 305 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: rest of the run. 306 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 3: Wow, isn't that crazy? 307 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? And this is a good run. And this was 308 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: a big show, Like were you aware as you were 309 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 2: doing it how big it was? Were you? 310 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: Okay, completely unaware? 311 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: And I got paid nothing because I was I mean nothing, yes. 312 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: Zero, no residuals. 313 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: Like I would go in and record five episodes at once, 314 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: and they'd give me a couple hundred bucks and call 315 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: it a day, like nothing. So, I mean, I think 316 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: about the staying power of that show and I'm just like, well, 317 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: I didn't really have representation then. 318 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: So wow. 319 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember I was still recording those 320 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: episodes when I went to college, and they would just 321 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: hold all of my stuff to do all at once, 322 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: and I would take the train in to Manhattan from 323 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Virginia where I was in college, and I would just 324 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: record for six hours straight, several episodes, all my lines 325 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: and then call it a day. And that's it. 326 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 2: And you were you in the Union? 327 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: No, no, no, nothing. 328 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: No nothing. You were literally just like I was just a. 329 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: Hired kid that everybody took advantage of. That's inane, a 330 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: single pen of residuals now. 331 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: So you see nothing now, I've never. 332 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: Seen anything, not even just now. I've never seen a cent. 333 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: They just slip you. 334 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 3: I was non union. 335 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: I had no experience. There was I think they called 336 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: me directly, like the manager might have gotten me that 337 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: first audition, but then they called me direct mes i'd want. 338 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: To come in and read this other part into. 339 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, yay, I'm doing something professional. 340 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: No, wow, all right, Well, yeah, producers of Daria, I'm 341 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: coming after. 342 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: You, I know, and there's some sort of reboot or something. 343 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: I mean, they never include me in any of that stuff. 344 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: It's as if I was never there. 345 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's better for them if they pretend you were 346 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: never there, Sarah, What, I don't think that's right. That 347 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: wasn't anyone. 348 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: That can't be true. 349 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: No, it had to have and someone else. Wow, that's crazy. 350 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: But I did have a lot of cool bragging power 351 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: during that time. I didn't watch I didn't watch the show. 352 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: I didn't have MTV, I had no access to it, 353 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: and there was no streaming at that point, so like, 354 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: I never even really saw it. 355 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: And you know, I but people were like, Daria, you're 356 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: on Daria. You have you have a role? 357 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get a couple hundred bucks every 358 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: few months. 359 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's so good, that is so MTV. Wow. All right. Uh, well, 360 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: you say you went to college. You ended up going 361 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: down south Ish South adjacent is what I call Virginia, 362 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: down to the University of Virginia study drama. I had 363 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: a great friend from high school who went there studied drama. 364 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: How was that experience? 365 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: I loved it? I loved down a second. I loved it. 366 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: I I had some incredible professors there. In fact, my 367 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: you know what was so great is first of all, 368 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: I got to have the real college experience, you know, 369 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: like I just got to study all the things. It 370 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: wasn't a conservatory program. The drama department was very friendly, 371 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: not competitive, just like I found I still have some 372 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: of my best friends in the world from doing drama 373 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: at UVA. I lived in awesome houses with good friends, 374 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: like it just was. It was everything you would want 375 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: a college experience to be. I found, you know, I 376 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: found my people. I found other layers to myself that 377 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: I know, all the things that you want to do 378 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: at college. 379 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: It was good. 380 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: It was really really good. And then my professors were amazing. 381 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: And so what's interesting is I I did this musical 382 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: theater program in New York called CAP twenty one the 383 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: summer between my second and third year of college, and 384 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: my whole career started because of a decision I made 385 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: in the bathroom there because we were doing we'd only been. 386 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: Working bad decisions that happened. 387 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: Now this is a good decision, this is a good choice. 388 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: We're in the I'm in the bathroom and we have 389 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: this casting director from Telsea Casting coming to do a 390 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: masterclass with us that afternoon. At this musical theater program, 391 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: we had not worked on monologues at all. We had 392 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: only been doing songs. So every student was planning to 393 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: do two songs for this casting director and get the 394 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: feedback and whatever. In the bathroom, I was like, I've 395 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: been learning during this musical theater program, then maybe musical 396 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: theater isn't for me professionally, and that maybe I'm a 397 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: stronger actor than I am a singer, and I have 398 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: a shot to show this person what I can do 399 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: as an actor. So I pulled out Nora from a 400 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 1: doll's house because they just had that in my back pocket, right, 401 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: and I did Nora. 402 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: One does as one does, yes. 403 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: And I did Nora for her, and that casting office 404 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: started bringing me in for auditions. And the third one 405 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: I went in for was a production of Romeo and 406 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: Juliet where I was cast as Juliette, and I almost 407 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: didn't audition for it. This was at the Macarter Theater 408 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: in Princeton, New Jersey, because it conflicted with the first 409 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: five years of my fourth year, first five weeks of 410 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: my final year of college and I'm like, I just can't. 411 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: And Will Cantler from Bernie Telsea Casting called me on 412 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: my phone and said, if I have to drive to 413 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Virginia and put you in my car and drive you 414 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: to this audition, I will do that. This is not 415 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: to be taken lightly. Get your butt to New York. 416 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, And what was wonderful is 417 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: that my my my acting coaches at UVA were like, 418 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: of course you go, of course you do it. In fact, 419 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: Richard Warner, my main act the head acting guy there, 420 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: he worked on the audition material with me for like hours, 421 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: just fine tuning it and helping me find it. And 422 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: then the college agreed to give me three credits if 423 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: I kept just to do the show as an independent study, 424 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: if I kept a journal. 425 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: So I have. 426 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: I have a meticulously kept journal diary from my entire 427 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: experience of playing Juliet, which was my launch into my 428 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: entire career as a result of the just nurturing of 429 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: that in that drama department. So I'm very grateful for 430 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: that experience. 431 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: After college, you you entered the theater world. You made 432 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: your Broadway debut in two thousand and three, and did 433 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: you think that that was your life. Did you think 434 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: that theater was what you were going to do or 435 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: did you always have an eye toward television? Film? Was there? 436 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: Where were you at? 437 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: What I always wanted to do? And in fact, right 438 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: before I did the play on Broadway, I actually did 439 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: my first movie, so I did have I did Radio 440 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: with Ed Harris and Debra Winger and Cuba Gooding teens. 441 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: That was my first moment on any set of any 442 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: kind in my whole life was like a scene with 443 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: Ed Harris. 444 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: So that's a good start. 445 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: By the way, my first take, hiss, I love that, man, 446 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: My first take that they laid down. He gathered the 447 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: whole crew around and he said, all right, let's give 448 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: it up for the first take in the future illustrious 449 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: career of Sarah Drew. And he had the whole crew 450 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: give me a standing ovation. 451 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: Wow. 452 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: I mean classy dude, right, the. 453 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: Classic classy Yes. 454 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm a twenty two year old, you know. 455 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: And actually I was cast in the Broadway show. I 456 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: did a self tape in my little efficiency apartment in 457 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: where was I Walter Burrows, South Carolina shooting that movie? 458 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't get in. I couldn't go in for the audition, right, 459 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: so they so the director for that play at the 460 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: Lincoln Center cast me off of. 461 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: Tape, which is crazy. 462 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: So what I what I My vision I think as 463 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: a teenager was I wanted to be a serious actress. 464 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: However that played out, Maybe it would be in film 465 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: and television, maybe it would be on the stage. I 466 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: didn't have any understanding when I was a teenager of 467 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: what film and television would be. The only experience I 468 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: had was on stage, and I loved it so much 469 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: and it fed my soul in such a profound way 470 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: that I think I most I probably mostly envisioned myself 471 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: as a theater actor. And the biggest dream I had 472 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: was being able to make a living solely from being 473 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: an artist. I did that that I didn't have to 474 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: have a day job. That was the only dream that 475 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: I had that I wanted to be serious. I didn't 476 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: want to do fluff and I wanted to you know. Yeah, 477 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: and and so I think I always thought it might 478 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: it would be stage, and then film and theater at 479 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: film and TV opened the doors to me, and then 480 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it was like, well, I can 481 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: make a much better living over here. 482 00:27:53,040 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 2: There you go. That's like you truth, there you go. Yeah, No, 483 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: I know, well, I mean you know our and I 484 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: won't bore you with it. Our pasts were similar, I 485 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: think for me, I don't, I don't know. I never 486 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 2: thought about film and television like for me it was. 487 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: I was so singularly focused on the other thing. Yeah, 488 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: for such a long period of time. And so it's 489 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: it's always interesting to me to talk to, you know, 490 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: actors who when they were very young, like like how 491 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: they went about making their decisions. It's very clear to me. 492 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: You you you were looking you, you were you were dating, 493 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: dating around because very very soon after you make your 494 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: Broadway debut on Lincoln Center, you got cast as Hannah 495 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: on Everwood. Now, I don't know if you know this, 496 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: we work together. Wait no, but I we're not on 497 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: the same scene. I was in the Everwood. Yes, I was. 498 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: You were I was in Everwood. I okay, I'm gonna 499 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: be honest with you. I did not go back and 500 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: research my own work. Folkused on you. But I was 501 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: a I was a handy man contractor wow on Everwood. 502 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was there. I was there at the 503 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: Salt Lake City great American, the. 504 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: Little America, Little Americas stayed a little America. 505 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: Well, it might have been Grand America, but one of 506 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: the one of the America's America, of one of the Americas. Yes, 507 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: and in fact, I don't know if I've told this 508 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: story or not in a long time, but you'll know 509 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. I arrived, so I know exactly 510 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: when it was. It was the first week of April 511 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: where I was shooting, and I think I I think 512 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: it was two episodes. I think I shot them at 513 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: the same time, like I stayed. 514 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: Do you remember the season you were in. 515 00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't. 516 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't in season one and two. I only came. 517 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: I think it was season one or two. I really don't, 518 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: but I I was with I know I was with 519 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: mister Wolf. 520 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, because he came on when I came on, 521 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, it would have been. 522 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: Three or four. Okay, Yeah, this was not this This 523 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: did not change the trajectory of your seasons. I don't 524 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: remember exactly, but I was there. Here's the crazy. My 525 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: memory isn't about the work. My memory is about the extras. 526 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: So I don't think I not the extras, but like 527 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: the extra the outside of work. I don't think at 528 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: that point I might be lying that I had ever 529 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: been to Salt Lake City. And I know things have 530 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: changed now I have, I have been back. But when 531 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: I was there, I arrived on a Monday in April, 532 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: the night the day of the National Championship Basketball Final 533 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: four game, which is always on a Monday, and I'm 534 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: a basketball and I wanted to watch it, and so 535 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: I asked the people there where I was there like 536 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: a sports spot. Was there some place where I could 537 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: watch the game, and they directed me down the road 538 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: and I walked I at least walked home. I don't 539 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: remember how I got there. It was snowing in April 540 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: there in Salt Lake City and I arrived at this 541 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: establishment to just watch a basketball That was all I 542 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: was interested in, and I was told that I had to. 543 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: I was asked if I was a member of the club, 544 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: and I was like, what do you mean? I mean 545 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: this place appeared to be like a TGI Fridays to me, 546 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: like this is a private club. What are you talking about? 547 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: But because they served alcohol in Utah at the time, 548 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: you had to join anywhere you went, So I am 549 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: officially a member. I guess still currently. I never It 550 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: was like two dollars and I had to fill out 551 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: of join the club. 552 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: In order to go into an establishment that serves alcohol. 553 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: Correct, And that was that. 554 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: And I was like, this phenomenal. 555 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: This is people think Hawaii is like a different country. 556 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: This is no. 557 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: I just I just shot a movie. So I've now 558 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: been I've shot five things in Salt Lake City now 559 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: in my life, and I just yeah, I'm there all 560 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: the time and I love it. By the way, my 561 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: husband and I bought our first house, we got our dog. 562 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: Now you're just trying to be nice to the no no, no. 563 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: Listen, I will say still to this day. 564 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: You cannot go into an establishment and get a double 565 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: of anything. 566 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: A double. 567 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 3: They will not they will. 568 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: Not give no, they cannot serve a double like a 569 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: like a you know, jack and coke with a double. 570 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: They can't. 571 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: They will literally get arrested. Oh so you have to 572 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: have someone else at the table order a shot if 573 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: you want to have a double. Like the rules are 574 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: really interesting. The cocktails I discovered are very weak in 575 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. 576 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: Well, you and I are going to get along. Just 577 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: by Sarah, I'm just saying you're going to get you 578 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: and I are going to get along just fine. Yeah, 579 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: that was that was my That was what I remember about. 580 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't remember that. I don't because I lived there 581 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 3: for two years, and like. 582 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: We bought houses. We bought houses like Scott and I 583 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: had known Scott sort of peripherally. I don't even know 584 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: if that's the right word. And yeah, everyone had a 585 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: house in Park City, like everyone was like, I. 586 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: Wasn't in Park City. I know, I wasn't that fancy 587 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: I was. I didn't live in Park City. I lived 588 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: in Salt Lake. 589 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: I liked Salt Lake. I wasn't like York City was fun, 590 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 3: but I don't know. It was so much cheaper to 591 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: buy and it was our first time, so we bought 592 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City. I love it there. 593 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: You entered season three, as you mentioned, did you find 594 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: it difficult to enter midstream or like you just mentioned, 595 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: other people came in and that made it easier. Was 596 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: it tough for you to start? 597 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: It was such a wonderful community. 598 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's the other thing is like I was 599 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: welcomed with open arms to a very kind. 600 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: Sweet group of people who were all living in Utah together. 601 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: You know, you know, I'm like, I'm like on a 602 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: WB show, and the actors are like sweethearts who are 603 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: not getting all mixed up in the head because of 604 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: being surrounded by the Hollywood scene. We're like in the 605 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: mountains and skiing and gathering around fires and having a 606 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: glass of wine. 607 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 4: You know. 608 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: Like it was so sweet. That was such a sweet 609 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: community that I was just like welcomed with open arms 610 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: it and they were excited to have somebody new too. 611 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: It was like, Oh, who's this. It was just so lovely. 612 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 3: I was so loved there. 613 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: The ending felt like it was sort of external to 614 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: what the show was, the WB and the upn merger CW. 615 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 2: It was all sort of weird. How did you feel 616 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 2: about about it ending? 617 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: Oh, it was such a bummer. 618 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: And the thing is that the reason we didn't get 619 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: another season is because Seventh Heaven decided to come and. 620 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 3: Do a bonus season. 621 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: That's literally why we were supposed to do another season, right, 622 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: And they had, in fact, they had, in fact shot 623 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: their finale. They were like three sets of twin babies 624 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: on that show at that point, and all I remember 625 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: thinking was like, good fucking luck with all your babies 626 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: on set. 627 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 2: Like I was so mad. 628 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was they decided to come back even 629 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: after they did their farewell episode because the numbers were 630 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: big for the farewell episode, obviously because it was a 631 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: farewell episode. 632 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: Guys, God, someone should think about that. Actually, they're smart. 633 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 2: Every year, every numbers going forever excited you. You then 634 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: had I mean some pretty amazing guest star opportunities on 635 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: some very big shows. I had. You looked quite different 636 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 2: on mad Men. I will tell you. I know mister 637 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: Ham quite a bit. I'm a big fan of that show, 638 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, who was she in that? 639 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 2: And then I saw you and I was like, oh 640 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: my word, Glee, Medium, Supernatural. Do you have any favorite experiences? Well, 641 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: how was your time on mad Men? Because that you 642 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: had to maybe unlike Daria, you had to have been 643 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: aware of the huge phenomenon that mad Men had become 644 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: basically bore a network. Uh, you know, people were watching 645 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 2: what do you call it? Basic cable? I guess. I 646 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: mean this is the fact that you know, for the 647 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 2: for the first time, in huge numbers, tons of awards. 648 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: Was that Was that a positive experience for you? 649 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 4: Oh? 650 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, what I mean? 651 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: The only thing that was said about it is that 652 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: I thought there was so much more room to tell 653 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: a much longer story for those characters, Like, I mean, 654 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: the last time you see my character is when my 655 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: husband's doing Bye Viberti for me and you just see 656 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: my face go, oh is this my life? 657 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 4: Right? 658 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: And that's and I'm like, that could have been like 659 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the number of places that you could have gone and 660 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: the layers we could have unpacked in that story, it 661 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: could have been so great. So that's the only that's 662 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: only sadness I have about it because I was only 663 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: there for like four episodes and I but I loved 664 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: every second. I mean, Matt Winer was amazing, super involved 665 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: in exactly how every beat of the scene was going 666 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: to go and needed to go. But in a way 667 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: that I thought was like, I don't know, might have 668 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,479 Speaker 1: driven me crazy if I'd been. 669 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 3: On the show forever. 670 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, I love that you have 671 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: a very specific vision and I'm I'm just a visitor here, 672 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: so like, yeah, lay it on me, what what is 673 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: what is your vision that I can help bring to life? 674 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: And I felt very encouraged there too. It was very 675 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: like encouraging as well. So yeah, it was fun. The 676 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: secrecy though around that show was insane, Like they wouldn't 677 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: even give me the whole script for this stuff. Whenever 678 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: I was on a show, I think I maybe went 679 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: to one table read, but I wasn't allowed to hold 680 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: a copy. I wasn't allowed to have a copy of 681 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: this script. 682 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 3: I'm like, you, guys, what what are we doing? What 683 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: are we doing here? 684 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 2: Why it's not national security. 685 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 3: It's not national like, let's we're pretending. 686 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: That doesn't surpriss me in any way. 687 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: No, but it was a big time hush hush, and 688 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: they'd only give me my sides for my scenes. And 689 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: I do remember, Oh they paid so cheap. But everybody again, 690 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: but everybody would do. Everybody said yes because it's mad men. 691 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: But like I was playing full interesting guest star spots, 692 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: but was getting paid like a day rate, you know, which. 693 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 3: Is what the industry has kind of gone back to. 694 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, not for long, Sarah, Not not for long. 695 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: You may have been paying been paid day rates, but 696 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:58,439 Speaker 2: not for long, because now Juliet may have launched you, 697 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 2: but another guest are uh relaunched you. You get a 698 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 2: guest role on Private Practice, You get introduced to someone 699 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 2: what's her name again? Oh yeah, Shonda rhymes that was 700 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 2: a show and what her name is? Uh, you enter 701 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 2: the universe of Shondaland, and what some people may not 702 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 2: know is you were actually cast in a in a 703 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 2: in a new show by Shondaland. A pilot you shot 704 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 2: that did not get picked up by ABC, by the way, 705 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 2: was probably the only one she ever did I picked. 706 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 3: I know, we're all like, this is the one. I mean, 707 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 3: this is the most sure. 708 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: Congratulations you landed the definite pilot show. 709 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 710 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 2: Right, well, clearly it wasn't your fault. It didn't go 711 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 2: oh because she has you join Gray's Anatomy. Now, I'm 712 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 2: told for two episodes. Yes, that was your contract. 713 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I came in. 714 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: She was like, I've got this fun little two episode 715 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: arc that I would love. You want to come play 716 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: for a couple episodes. I was like sure, as I'd 717 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: been doing all my other little spots along the way. Yeah, 718 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: I go, I do my two and then I go 719 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: and I don't think about it again. 720 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: And then you then you go back for nine years. 721 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 2: Now I'll go back for nine years. 722 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 723 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 2: You know. It's always fascinating to me to talk to 724 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 2: people who start your way, and you know what's funny 725 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: because now not always. Obviously, there are people who are 726 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 2: cast in pilots and as you know, main characters, pivotal characters, 727 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 2: and they stay forever. And I mean I guess that 728 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 2: was my case too in a way, though it changed 729 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, having the opportunity to just work, 730 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 2: I mean it goes to like the say, yet, do 731 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 2: you want to come and play? The answer is yes, 732 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 2: because you truly don't know what can happen from there? 733 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: Did she or anybody else give you an idea of 734 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 2: what happened over those two episodes that made them give 735 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 2: you a call to come back? 736 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: I had one of the writers. I mean, this is 737 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: all just like sweet conversations that people told me down 738 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: the road. 739 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 3: But sure, but one of the writers told. 740 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: Me that after I got fired, there was a riot 741 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: in the writer's room, like the character They're like. 742 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 3: Why but why? You know? 743 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: I think my mad Men episode aired like right around 744 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: the time that I was like where my episode at 745 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: Grays was about to air. So it was so there 746 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: was just this like what are guys, come on, what 747 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 1: are we doing? 748 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 3: Let's find some story for this person. 749 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: So I mean that felt I don't I don't truly 750 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: know you know, that's like the nice things that people 751 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: say to you once you come back. I don't know, 752 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: I don't know what the reality was. All I know 753 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: is that I got a call the morning after my 754 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: firing episode aired, and it was my team saying they 755 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: want to bring you back, and they're talking about it 756 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: being a potent turning into a potential series regular. So 757 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: then I spent all of season six auditioning at every 758 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: episode because that's kind of what you do. You get, 759 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: you do like a few episodes and they throw you 760 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: a little bit more money, and then another few episodes 761 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: and they throw you little bit more money, But then 762 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: they don't tell you if they're actually going to pick 763 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: you up to series regular until June, which is a 764 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: month before they would start shooting shooting the next season. 765 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,959 Speaker 1: So it was really like I would go to every 766 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: table read. 767 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 3: Going have they given me something. 768 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: To say or do that I could show that maybe 769 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: there's a reason I should stay, you know, like there 770 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: was all there was that feeling of, right, this is 771 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: every every single second you every single word you are 772 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: given to say, every single moment screen moment that you 773 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: are given, is you building a massive audition for them 774 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,240 Speaker 1: to see if they want to keep you around. 775 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 2: Right in addition to just you know, because this should 776 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: not be undersold, and this is obviously not a comment 777 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 2: on how important the work is or your performance, but 778 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 2: also like, what they're also given is an opportunity to 779 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 2: see if you're an asshole totally like and like how 780 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 2: you are you? Are you a nice person to work with? 781 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 4: Yes? 782 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 2: Because you know, I do personally believe that is a 783 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 2: that is an underappreciated or undercomment. People don't talk about 784 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 2: how important that is of just like being a good 785 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 2: person and wanting to hang out with you for nine years, right, Yeah, 786 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 2: you're on. 787 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: Set like for that show too. We were still in 788 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: those earlier seasons. We're still doing sixteen hour days. You know, 789 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: these are the people that you're spending the vast maturity 790 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: of your time with. I will say though, and I'm 791 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: not not specifically talking about Grace, but like across the 792 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: Hollywood board, I have not found that the rule applies 793 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: that if you're not an asshole, you get to do 794 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: all the work like if anything, well, well the assholes 795 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: are still very much alive and well doing very good work. 796 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 2: Yes, But but I will say this rare. Most of 797 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 2: the time there, it's well, I shouldn't say this a 798 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,439 Speaker 2: lot of the time, but I know they're stuck. No, 799 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 2: there's because there is a difference. What I mean is, 800 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 2: particularly if you're brought into a long running show and 801 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 2: you're there for what you say, essentially an extended audition, 802 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 2: it's much easier to lose one of those. 803 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 3: Yes, So totally yes if they're an asshole. 804 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 2: But I do appreciate what I mean. 805 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 3: I'm not and I'm. 806 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: Not specifically talking about grays, and I say that across 807 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: the way I'm talking about this. 808 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to know. 809 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: Listen, Listen, I'm saying, I am saying I'm talking about 810 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: this on a grander scheme that often I'm noticing it now. 811 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: You just even in the worlds that I'm in right now, 812 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: it's like, do people get the numbers, Great, we'll keep 813 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: hiring them, and and it's like, well, but that person 814 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: was like made so many people's lives so difficult. Sorry, 815 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: they get us the numbers, So that's you know, and 816 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: you kind of go, gosh, when I whatever, I get 817 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: to work with somebody who's like truly good at what 818 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: they do and also truly wonderful to work with. 819 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 2: Just like yes, yes, well winning yes, well, but you 820 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 2: you started the story. You start, I mean you started 821 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 2: our conversation talking about Ed Harris too. I mean like 822 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,919 Speaker 2: that's an example of someone who is supremely talented. Yes, 823 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 2: and then every story I've ever heard about him is 824 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 2: like incredibly great, uh, you know, like really successful comedy 825 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 2: actors that I've had the opportunity to work with, Steve 826 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 2: Carell and Will Ferrell. It's like, you know, Jenni Fisher jokes, 827 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 2: It's like they have this unspoken competition happening, like who's 828 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 2: the nicest guy? You know, so like there's both. I 829 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 2: but nine years is a long time. I do have 830 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 2: to tell you. I can't. I mean, I just hot. 831 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 2: I hated you guys. I mean I hated you guys 832 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 2: on Gray's Anatomy so much because you know, I mean, 833 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 2: let's face it, we were up against each other for 834 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,439 Speaker 2: a really long time. 835 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I didn't even you. 836 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a long time. Nine o'clock on Thursday Nights. 837 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 2: Oh who was it? It was you guys, it was us, 838 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 2: it was CSI for a while, because like Thursday Nights 839 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 2: is like for those of you who don't and these 840 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 2: are days before before streaming. The people who spend the 841 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 2: most money on advertising are other studios that are advertising 842 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 2: their movies that are premiering that weekend. And so Thursday 843 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 2: night is a very big night in television, so a 844 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 2: lot of networks put their big shows up. But yeah, 845 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 2: I was like damn it. And I was like the 846 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 2: resident business business mind on the set of Like we 847 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 2: would come in and. 848 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 3: So were you like checking in on. 849 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 2: All the very every Friday morning. 850 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in the makeup and then you would 851 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: come in and be like, this is how we did 852 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: freaking Grace anatomy. 853 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 2: Or we I mean, here's the thing is we we 854 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 2: were fine against you in the in the coveted eighteen 855 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 2: to forty nine demographic. But then you know, the first 856 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 2: number they give is how many people were watching, and 857 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 2: you guys were like ninety eight billion and against us, 858 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 2: and it's like, who are all these people that are 859 00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 2: watching the show? But no, I say that in I mean, 860 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 2: what an incredible run. I just uh, I just heard 861 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 2: coming back for more the show nine nine years and 862 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 2: then and then you left for a little bit, and 863 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,439 Speaker 2: then you came back again for some more episodes. After 864 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 2: a couple of years now. I read when the news 865 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 2: got out that you were not returning, there was an 866 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 2: airplane that flew overhead. There was during lunch for everyone 867 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 2: to see that some fans paid. Now did you pay 868 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 2: for it? Because you want me, I would not the 869 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 2: rumor is you paid for it, that you were no 870 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 2: longer making guests our money and so you I'm totally making. 871 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 3: Oh do you know it is? 872 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: You know it was this one specific I know who 873 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: it was because she let us know because she reached 874 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: out to both me and Jessica just to make sure 875 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: that we would both be on set, so she didn't 876 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: want to fly the plane. So we knew it was 877 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: going to happen, okay, and we but like we she 878 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,760 Speaker 1: or this fan organized it. And it's a very sweet 879 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 1: fan who actually had come and done a set visit 880 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,879 Speaker 1: one time, and Jesse Williams and I had hung out 881 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: with her for a while and she's an unbelievable sweetheart. 882 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: But she rallied the troops and was like, this is 883 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: what we're doing, Sarah and Jessica. I hope that you 884 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,240 Speaker 1: get this message. I we are setting, We're sending a plane. 885 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: We're so mad, We're so mad, and we want to 886 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: show you that we and so we like it was 887 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: such an unbelievable gift. I like, in that moment, like 888 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: it was devastating when I was told I wasn't coming back, 889 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: because it came out of nowhere to me. So I 890 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: felt like a huge punch to the gut. Right, But 891 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: the amount of like the outpouring of love was so 892 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: epic that I really wouldn't trade it for anything. 893 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, for those of you who don't know, I don't 894 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 2: know if I set that up entirely great, but basically, 895 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 2: someone flew a plane over the studio saying, don't don't 896 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 2: this person go for these two people, not y. 897 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 3: It was we love you Sarah and Jessica, I think, 898 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 3: is what it said. 899 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was it was difficult for you. 900 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was awful. 901 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: I'd never I you know, I've never been fired from anything. 902 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: And of course they weren't calling it firing. They were 903 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,840 Speaker 1: just saying not picking up your option. But in my 904 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 1: brain that feels like firing. It's like, well, you could 905 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 1: keep me, but you choose not to. So I don't 906 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: know how else to interpret that, right, and so, and 907 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,759 Speaker 1: it was, you know, I was aware of what I 908 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: was bringing to the table, and I was just kind 909 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: of confused by all of it, to be perfectly honest, 910 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: it just didn't make sense in my brain. But this 911 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: is the thing, is that happens all the time to 912 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: very wonderful people being wonderful and having talent, and like, 913 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,839 Speaker 1: this is just it's like the nature of the beast, right. 914 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 3: It just hadn't happened to me yet. 915 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: And so it felt like a like a big blow 916 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: after nine years for it to happened. But I will say, 917 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: like since then, I've I've expanded as an artist in 918 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: so many ways. And I wouldn't have started producing or 919 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, I've been directing and I like all and writing. 920 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have written my first two things and produced them. 921 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: And so there's like so many good things I don't 922 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: know well. 923 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 2: And you it's interesting to me because it Yeah, it 924 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 2: must have been difficult, but you did choose to go back. Yeah, 925 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 2: so there there was that was that was positive. I 926 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 2: mean you felt at least okay enough to go back 927 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 2: and play with them a little bit longer. 928 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I mean again, I loved my community there. 929 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't like I wanted to go see everybody I 930 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,239 Speaker 1: wanted to go say hi, I was excited for the 931 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: potential of this, of the story that they pitched to me, 932 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: about how I would be going back, and it all 933 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: felt really good, and I was feeling like I was 934 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: I would getting ready to go. 935 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 3: Shoot my first. 936 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, I was that one was right after I'd 937 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: finished another series. I mean it was like there was 938 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: a lot going on in my world that made it 939 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: all feel really good to go back. 940 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, You've talked a lot about taking on leadership roles 941 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,280 Speaker 2: since you left. You have, as you mentioned, You've written, 942 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 2: You've produced Start, You've done some directing Reindeer Games, Homecoming, 943 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:36,839 Speaker 2: you also wrote a cowboy Christmas romance with Lifetime, and 944 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,839 Speaker 2: so you've enjoyed being on that side of it and 945 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 2: developing your own material. Yeah. 946 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 947 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,920 Speaker 1: I just feel like this, this industry is so we 948 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,839 Speaker 1: have absolutely no control. We There's there's nothing. I could 949 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: sit and wait for my agent to call. I could 950 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: sit and wait for an appointment. I can sit and 951 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: wait to see if the tape I sent out was 952 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: watched by anyone or not. You can throw it into 953 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,359 Speaker 1: the abyss and hope maybe somebody saw it. Like, there's 954 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: so much we have no control over so having a 955 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: creative outlet to be dreaming and thinking about another story, 956 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: a story that I could that I could make and 957 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 1: bring and and create words I want to say, you know, 958 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: has been like incredibly life giving in the last few years. 959 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 3: To me. 960 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 2: You also produced some rather dramatic dark material in the 961 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 2: years since you left, most recently How She Caught a Killer. 962 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,759 Speaker 2: Is there something about that dark material that is attractive 963 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 2: to you? The right thing? 964 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's it's interesting. 965 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in the human experience of like seeing 966 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 1: the glimmers of light in the midst of darkness. 967 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:01,720 Speaker 3: I don't. 968 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,279 Speaker 1: I do love the like the feel good stuff that 969 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: makes me really happy put smiles on people's faces. But 970 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,520 Speaker 1: even the stuff that I write that is feel good 971 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: always has to have like a like a well of 972 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: depths underneath of like we're really sorting some grief out 973 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: or some family drama out or something, because. 974 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 3: That's what I feel like life is. For How She 975 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,440 Speaker 3: Caught a Killer. 976 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 1: I loved it so much because it was about a 977 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 1: woman seeing a community of women that were usually forgotten. 978 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:38,759 Speaker 1: So these sex workers who people dehumanize at every turn, right, 979 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,239 Speaker 1: and this cop being like we're not doing enough. This 980 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: is an important community of people. These are human beings, 981 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,920 Speaker 1: these are women with lives, and I will do whatever 982 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: it takes to bring this killer to justice. And that 983 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: to me felt very in line with the things that 984 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,400 Speaker 1: that that draw me to material. It's like, where's the 985 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: redemption story? Where is the where's the hope in the 986 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: midst of the pain? I just feel like that is 987 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: so what I experience living my life as a parent, 988 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: as an artist in the world at large. 989 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 3: Just we are. 990 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 1: Constantly holding pain and hope, and you can you can 991 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: allow the hope to win. You can force yourself to 992 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,479 Speaker 1: see the light, or you can stay in the pain 993 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: and the anger and the cynicism. I like to find 994 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,480 Speaker 1: I like to be like hunting for the hope even when. 995 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 3: Things are blackest. So that's that's what drew me to 996 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 3: that specific story. 997 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, I mean that, I mean that's truly 998 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,080 Speaker 2: what for me. It's all about using art to ask questions, 999 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 2: not preach, but ask questions and shine lights little lights 1000 00:57:54,360 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 2: in places that people don't necessarily go to that often. 1001 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,959 Speaker 2: So good for you. You have breaking news here on 1002 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 2: the podcast. A new movie coming out this month, premiering 1003 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 2: very shortly here in late April, branching out a new 1004 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 2: Hallmark movie you're starring in. Tell me a little bit 1005 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 2: about this movie and why you're excited about it. 1006 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 3: I love this one. 1007 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 1: It is a story about a single mom and her daughter, 1008 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: and she became pregnant through IVF. Doesn't have a partner, 1009 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,440 Speaker 1: never had a partner, but wanted to make a family 1010 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,920 Speaker 1: and so yeah, so she so she made her family. 1011 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 1: When her daughter's nine, she has an assignment to make 1012 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,200 Speaker 1: a family tree and she goes home and she's like, 1013 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,000 Speaker 1: who's in my tree? 1014 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 3: I feel like we're just a log. What is our family? 1015 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 3: What is the tree? 1016 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 1: And so we wind up going doing genetic registry to 1017 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 1: try and find because she's too young to get the 1018 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: name of the person who's the donor for IVF. So 1019 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 1: we wind up finding the family and it's this beautiful, vibrant, 1020 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: large Mexican family who just want to embrace these these 1021 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: two humans and like envelop them into this this beautiful, 1022 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 1: chaotic new group of people to love. So it's really 1023 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful story. 1024 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 3: And then there's a love story that happens, of course 1025 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 3: through the donor and the mom. 1026 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: But but but the biggest love story is the story 1027 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: between the daughter finding this this guy who's just a 1028 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,600 Speaker 1: he was a donor, and then they fall in love. 1029 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,440 Speaker 1: They love each other, they just adore each other from 1030 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: the first moment. And for me, it's a story about 1031 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: how there are a million different ways to make a 1032 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: family and and the and the great joy of pulling 1033 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: people into your experience and choosing your family. Doesn't have 1034 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 1: to be genetic. It doesn't have to be what you 1035 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 1: were born and raised with. But there are lots of 1036 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: different ways to do it. 1037 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the log line is, uh, a journey 1038 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 2: of trust, love and discovering the meaning of family. And 1039 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, look, there was a show called 1040 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:20,640 Speaker 2: Modern Family that I remember quite well as well. Yeah, 1041 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:27,600 Speaker 2: that that redefining what family means and and and it 1042 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 2: sounds like the search for not just your daughter, but 1043 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 2: the search for sort of defining what family is is. 1044 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 1045 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,520 Speaker 2: It is a powerful message and I I I, Hey, look, 1046 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 2: I want all of the best for you, so check 1047 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 2: it out. Branching out Hall March. 1048 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm also yes, I've also got my I directed a 1049 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,080 Speaker 1: radio play that is out right now with LA Theater Works. 1050 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,360 Speaker 1: It's called The Fever syndrome. Yes, it's called Fever Syndrome, 1051 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 1: and it's actually starring My Gray's Anatomy co star Kelly McCreary. 1052 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,160 Speaker 1: She's playing a really fantastic role in it. It's a 1053 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,040 Speaker 1: great it's Hugo Armstrong, Seamus Dever, Patrick Husinger, Kelly McCreary, 1054 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Floyd Miller, Deshaun k Terry, and Joanne Whaley. And 1055 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: they're all in this awesome, meaty family drama that I 1056 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 1: got to direct. 1057 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,640 Speaker 3: That's out now. 1058 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have such a blast doing that one. But 1059 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,560 Speaker 1: you can go to la la tw dot org and 1060 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 1: search fever Syndrome and you can download it for like five. 1061 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:47,240 Speaker 2: Bucks la tw dot org. Check it out. I mean, look, 1062 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 2: I mean, the only real question that I have for 1063 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,720 Speaker 2: you is, I mean, you haven't called me to do anything. 1064 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,360 Speaker 2: I mean, here's what it feels like. This relationship is 1065 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 2: one sided. I call you, I call you, you don't 1066 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 2: call me. This is really okay. Well, I mean that's 1067 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,959 Speaker 2: where I feel like we're at right now. 1068 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm writing a role for you in my head as 1069 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:12,640 Speaker 1: we speak. 1070 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 2: I feel like the relationship is very one sided. Sarah, 1071 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much for being so generous 1072 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 2: with your time. I know you're very busy. Congratulations on 1073 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,200 Speaker 2: well everything that you have accomplished, and uh and and 1074 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 2: what's to come next. I'm gonna be watching. I promise 1075 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 2: you that so much. 1076 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 3: It's so fun to chat with you. This was such 1077 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:37,920 Speaker 3: a blast. 1078 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Thanks Brian, Oh my gosh, thank you so much. Sarah, 1079 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, Sarah. It was so great to talk to 1080 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 2: you and to get to know you. Listeners check out 1081 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 2: Ranching Out, starring My new Friend and Yours Sarah Drew, 1082 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 2: coming out April twenty seventh on Hallmark Channel. Thank you 1083 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,200 Speaker 2: all for joining us. I'm going to be back next 1084 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 2: week with another guest, another guest who also could be 1085 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:28,600 Speaker 2: a doctor. Until then, have a wonderful week. 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