1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for the Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Tuesday, NBA Free Agency 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: in full swing. We are live. It is the Herd. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be watching 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: or listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Tyler Adams, US men's national team, Urban Meyer, Albert rereerstop 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: by today. J Mac. It was a if you're a 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Laker fan, it was a disheartening day. But they got 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: new owners and new owners have come. You know, you 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: ever drive by that restaurant, it says under new man 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: management and they're going to change the entire menu. They're 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: not going to tweak. So I think I want to 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: read everybody, J Mack. The headlines that are circulating about 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: the Lakers, who are the biggest brand in the NBA. 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: The Yankees of Major League Baseball. These are the headlines 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: this morning. Lakers reportedly preserving cap space for next season. 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Dorian Finney Smith exits disaster. Lakers gave up three draft 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: picks for less than fifty games of Dorian Phinney Smith. 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: Jim rob Palinka facing mounting pressure to keep the Lakers job, 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: and I like this one. Lebron James has no influence 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: on free agency moves, says an NBA front office insider. 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: The Lakers are excluding him, they should. He's forty one. 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: So the Bus family for years has talked themselves into believing, 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: I get it, this is their life. They talked themselves 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: into believing we were just a rotational player. And the 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: new owners of this restaurant are saying, no, no, no, no, no, 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: it's just not a little better chicken parm recipe. We're 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: changing the kitchen staff, we're changing the entire menu. This 37 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: is not about a better chicken parm. It's a forty 38 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: one year old star, another star in Luca where it's 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: notable that he's really working out this offseason, and they 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: have absolutely no size and the real value they have 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: is Austin Reeves. But another headline today they are not 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: even taking calls or gauging interest on Austin Reeves. So 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: the new owners, they know what success is all about. 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: They own the Dodgers, and I've argued this before. I 45 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: think the Dodgers, Mark Walters, I think it's the best 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: run sports franchise in North America perhaps ever. These people 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They let stars go if they 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: see problems around the corner. And so this morning it 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: appears they're going big game hunting next year. They do 50 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: not think this is a championship team. They're not going 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: to lose any sleep over Lebron being bummed out. They're 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: going to upgrade scouting and my guests, they are eventually 53 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: going to find their wizard, their guru, their GM. So 54 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: the Lakers need two centers. Like yesterday, the good ones 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: are off the market. Clint Capella, he's back to the Rockets, 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: Luke Cornett Celtics. Now he's the Spurgs, and Brook Lopez 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: to the Clippers. So let's not forget this. Put the 58 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: palm palms down. The Lakers got throttled in the first round. 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: They lost convincingly in the first round, and they are 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: worse today. Without Dorian Finney Smith. They are worse today. 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: You know who's not worse, Houston. Houston is better. You 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: know who's not worse Denver. You know who's getting better fast, 63 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: san Antonio. So the ownership group knows what success looks like. Okay, 64 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: these new owners are antique experts, and they're telling Laker 65 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: fans this rosters a knockoff. I know what Grandma told you. 66 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: It's not a van Go. This isn't it. The new 67 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Laker owners are telling you we know what titles looks like, 68 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: and an aging Lebron and a finally working out in 69 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: the offseason. Luca is not O, Tawni Betts and Freddie Freeman. 70 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: I know it's painful, and I understand the bus family 71 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: for years. This is their baby, this is their child, 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: and they always believe, just like we all do as parents, 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: our kid's gonna be president of the United States. Okay, 74 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: maybe president of a company. Okay, hopefully president of a frat. Okay, 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: maybe a vice president of something. You gotta be honest, 76 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: you have to be able to self evaluate. This is 77 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: not a championship team. Look what Denver's done in the 78 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. They finally got jokid sh shooters 79 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: multiple and a backup. Big San Antonio is getting better 80 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: by the hour with all their youth. Houston added more pieces. 81 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City I've not even mentioned them, and the brain 82 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: trust in Golden State. They already got their sidekick the staff, 83 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler last year. So it's just you gotta be 84 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: honest about this stuff. People in Los Angeles. You know 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: what well run looks like. You know what championships looks like. 86 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: It's called the Dodgers, usc the Lakers, the Chargers a 87 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: little bit until Harbaugh. Yeah, they're selling you on that, 88 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: and that's not what it is. So the Rams brilliantly run, 89 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: the Dodgers immaculately run the Lakers mom and pop shop. 90 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: It's all changing big game hunting next year. Not including 91 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: Lebron in the discussions. He's had a great career. He 92 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: should not be dictating any terms at this point, not 93 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: saying you trade him. We're gonna do the new guys 94 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: say we're going to do what we're gonna do, because 95 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: we know what winning looks like. It's Otanian Bett, not 96 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: forty one year old Lebron and perpetually out of shape 97 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: or an average shape. Luca. Okay, here's another one. This 98 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: is interesting this headline. The Steelers are officially all in. 99 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: I heard that a lot yesterday because they got Jalen Ramsey, 100 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf, and tight end John Husmith. Well, 101 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: if they're all in, that's a pair of eights. Okay, 102 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: that ain't pocket Ace's folks. So if that's all in, 103 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: but it's I always. I was asking somebody about three 104 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: weeks ago, three or four weeks ago about all the Steelers' moves, 105 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: and he said, some gms just make moves to make moves, 106 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: but do they have a plan. And it's a prime example. 107 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: So they get rid of a safety who's a little 108 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: past his prime, and they add a corner who's more 109 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: expensive Jalen Ramsey who's past his prime. They get rid 110 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: of a very high maintenance wider resh receiver in George Pickens, 111 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: and then they inherit a wide receiver who can be 112 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: high maintenance. DK Metcalf, you're just making moves to make moves. 113 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: There is no plan. If you would have moved off 114 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: George Pickens and acquired Terry mcclaurin the adult in the room, Okay, 115 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: that's a move I'd get. So you're letting go of 116 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: a guy passed his prime in the secondary and getting 117 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: a more expensive guy passed his prime in the secondary. 118 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: That's just a move to make a move. Well, we're 119 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: getting rid of a high maintenance receiver and getting another 120 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: receiver who's a bit high maintenance. You're just making moves 121 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: to make moves. You lost your left tackle. Nagieris George Pickens, 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: Mika Fitzpatrick, and I saw who you've added. I would 123 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: argue you're slightly less talented today. So this goes there's 124 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: no pattern with it. And this is what I've said 125 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: about the Steelers is that they're on the wrong side 126 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: of the ball. All their money now is tied up 127 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: in defense. They got more expensive moving off Minca for 128 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Wrong, just move off Minca. Stop there. And 129 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: these are not moves that make any sense. They're basically 130 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: the Steelers of the kid who pays off his student 131 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: debt and puts it on a credit card. Yeah, I 132 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: got rid of that debt. No it's still debt, bro, 133 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: you still got debt at a higher interest rate. That 134 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: may make you feel better. And remember this is an 135 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: organization that has not signed TJ. Watt yet. So when TJ. 136 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Watt signs at least for probably a period maybe six months, 137 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: maybe less than that, he'll be the highest paid defensive 138 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: player in NFL history. So we're not even talking about 139 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: that yet. And you've got to get that done, TJ. Watt. 140 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's jerseys are all over the stadium. That's 141 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: going to be a terribly sensitive thing. All these moves. 142 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: What do they mean. Well, Matt Hasselback yesterday said here's 143 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: what he thinks. The Jalen Ramsey move means. 144 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: They do not care about the rest of the league. 145 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: They don't care about what anybody else does. They say, Hey, 146 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: we're the Steelers. This is how we operate. I don't 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: think that's going to change. But I do think this 148 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: it looks like they're building a team to stop the 149 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals. It's almost like they have confidence in what 150 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: they have, like what we have can take care of 151 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens, Like we're good. But like, man, I 152 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: don't know how we're going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. 153 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 3: Like I do believe that there's a fear there of 154 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: like personnel wise, we don't match up well. 155 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Well, A lot of teams matched up Okay, with Cincinnati 156 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: because the Bengals didn't even make the playoffs. So if 157 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: that's your concern, I go back to being concerned about 158 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: Baltimore because the Ravens have separated over the last several 159 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: years from the Steelers since he didn't even make the playoffs. Okay, 160 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: j Mac, let me bring in here. The Austin Reeves 161 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: thing is interesting because obviously that's the piece that is, 162 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: he's one of the few underpaid players in the NBA, 163 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: scoring about nineteen twenty a game. The Lakers are saying 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: now they're not going to gauge interest, but I do 165 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: think it's interesting the two things that jump out to 166 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: me Braun's not being included at all. I do think 167 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: the bus family felt like because of the COVID title 168 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: and the merchandise sales, they sort of owed Lebron something 169 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: a heads up that's done. And the other thing is 170 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna go big game, honey next year. They've been 171 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: very I mean that that's a pretty clear signal that Lebron, 172 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: we know you want championships. But getting rid of Dori 173 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: and Finney Smith not getting rid of him, him leaving 174 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: and then inheriting some small guard who's on you know, 175 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: a young kid, but on like his third team. What's 176 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: the message to Lebron. It's bro, We're not We're not 177 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: a championship team. That's what the ownership is saying to me. 178 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: We are gonna figure out scouting upstairs, executives roster. Next 179 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: year is the big year. 180 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and next year it sounds like the Bucks are 181 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 4: gonna keep Giannis and make it. 182 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: Try to make it go this year. 183 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: Well next summer, maybe jannest is like, hey, I'm done, 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 4: it's over. 185 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: And then Luca and Jannis joined forces in La. 186 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: But let me ask you, if you're Lebron and you're 187 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: reading the tea leaves, are. 188 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 5: You like, you know what, guys, just get me to 189 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: the East. Just trade me Lakers. 190 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 4: We're not winning anything. I can't We're not a top 191 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: five team in the West. 192 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 5: Send me to the East. I could get to the finals. 193 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 5: Does he Do you think Lebron would actually do that? 194 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 6: No? 195 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: I think Lebron's business and it's a fair question. I 196 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: think Lebron has to look at it like this. He 197 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: knew his first couple of years in the league. He's 198 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: a smart guy. He knew the first couple years in 199 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Cleveland out of high school. They were not a championship team. 200 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: In fact, getting to the finals against the Spurs, despite 201 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: the fact they were swept, they were ahead of schedule. 202 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Oh wait, From about that year on until this past year, 203 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: Lebron has felt like the team he has is a 204 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: championship level team. But at some point you have to 205 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: acknowledge Michael Jordan did when he went to the Wizards. 206 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: You know, Shaq was bouncing around the league. He knew 207 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: the last three or four years he was not a 208 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: championship team. I think Lebron is smart enough to know. 209 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: This is the first year in maybe fifteen years, Lebron, 210 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: you have to go back to that getting swept by 211 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: the Spurs, and I'm sure going into that final Lebron 212 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: thought he had a chance. This is the first time 213 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: in a long time that Lebron sort of being told 214 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: without being directly told, dude, it's not about a championship. 215 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: The organization is first, second, and third. You've had a 216 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: great run, but we're not gonna include you as we 217 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: build going forward. 218 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: I get that, McCollen. Let me just remind you, Lebron 219 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: was an All NBA player last year. Ever, he's like 220 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: twenty five, seven and seven, and he's paired with Luka Doncic, 221 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: So you have two of the ten best players in 222 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: the league. I don't think you're out of it, but 223 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: I definitely think there's an uphill climb in the West. 224 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 4: Like listen, wacky things happen in the East, Jason Tatum 225 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 4: and Aliburton. They look like they were going to be 226 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: in the conference finals again next year. They're both out 227 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: next season the East and wide open. 228 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 5: Like things can happen. Let's not write the Lakers off 229 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 5: just yet. 230 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: Well, remember things do happen, especially to forty one year 231 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: olds in their twenty third year. Also that you think 232 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Lebron's gonna play eighty games and forty two minutes, Lebron 233 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: has to pace himself. You know who doesn't, Lou dort 234 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: Sga Chet Holmgren, Jay, I mean those guys Oklahoma City 235 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: can play nine guys a night. The Lakers now have 236 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: no center, very little depth, and you know how it works, Jason. 237 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: That means, hey, Lebron, we need forty one minutes tonight 238 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: and we need twenty nine points. So it'd be one 239 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: thing if this was the OKC San Antonio Houston roster 240 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant's a great example. So they Houston extends 241 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: Jabari Smith, who, like Kevin Durant, can shoot. He's got length. 242 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, you could literally tell him before the season starts, 243 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna play a sixty four games. We got Jabari 244 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: Smith behind you. We want you ready for the playoffs. 245 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: Because of the depth, the youth, the legs, and the 246 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: athleticism Houston has. Lakers can't do that. They just lost 247 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Orian Phinney Smith, that's one of their better defenders. So 248 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen is Lebron's gonna have to play thirty 249 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: eight minutes and score twenty seven points for this to 250 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: be in the wet Maybe not in the East, but 251 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: in the West. So the great advantage KD saw that 252 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: with Houston. Don't I don't shen Goon can drop twenty 253 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: eight on any night A men Thompson's coming up. Jabbari 254 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: plays my position right behind me. So Lebron is going 255 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: to be once again and we don't you know you 256 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: cross your fingers on Luca's health. He's in good shape reportedly, 257 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: but lucas a guy that misses games, that gets banged up. 258 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: There are gonna be nights. So that's Lebron and Austin 259 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Reeves having to both drop twenty eight for them to 260 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: beat at best compete with Oka. 261 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 5: See listen, it's not over. I'm not writing them off 262 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 5: and anything can happen here in the next three four days. 263 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 5: Let's go out and get some guys. 264 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: And get the Lakers back in contention where Lebron. 265 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 5: Needs to be. 266 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 267 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 268 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 269 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 7: Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben 270 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 7: Maller with me and a lot to have you join 271 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 7: us on our weekly auditory journey. 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If I 281 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: didn't do this for a living, my dream job would 282 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: be a general manager of an NFL team. And I 283 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: just I love the draft. I like building stuff, and 284 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: it's been like that since I was a kid. I 285 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: just like building stuff. And I think my best sources 286 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: in the league I was talking to one last night 287 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: are NFL execs, and I loved the sport, and I 288 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: always thought, what a cool job. And so it's I 289 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: like the idea of when you get into these situations 290 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: these executives on would you take an old star or 291 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: an emerging young star. That's one of the hard ones. 292 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: So everybody loves Luca, right, Luca Luca, But I've made 293 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: the argument for years he's a better version of Carmelo Anthony, 294 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: and Carmelo is a Hall of Famer two. But it's 295 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: very interesting Avery Johnson saying right now he would take 296 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Cooper Flag going forward over Luca. 297 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 6: Man. Give me Cooper Flag, really, Cooper Flag in this team? Yeah, 298 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 6: give me Cooper Flag. 299 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 8: Man. 300 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 6: You're talking about a team when they're healthy, got three 301 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 6: future Hall. 302 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 5: Of famers with Kyrie ad and Klay Thompson. 303 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: So this is really exciting. 304 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 6: The Mavericks their future is bright, but they have a 305 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 6: window when they're healthy. If the next two to three 306 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 6: years with this rostass currently constructed. 307 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: So I just want you to think about this. So 308 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: Luca has been in the NBA for seven seasons. That's 309 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: a grind, and he's been attacked for seven years. Right, 310 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: he's a score, so people are throwing bodies at him. 311 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: He also played three years in Europe against older players, 312 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: so he has been grinding against men for ten years. 313 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: And we all know that athletes age differently based on 314 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: how good a shape they're in. Well Mello, for instance, 315 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: Mike comp for Luca, peaked at twenty eight. By twenty 316 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: nine years old, his scoring dropped noticeably, was never again 317 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: top ten MVP. Mello aged fast. Lebron at thirty eight, 318 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: ten years older than Mellow's peak. I mean he treats 319 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: his body like a temple. Twenty nine a game, fifty 320 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: percent from the field, All Star Western Conference Finals. Okay, 321 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: Tom Brady at forty five was better than Aaron Rodgers 322 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: at thirty eight, thirty nine or Big Ben at thirty seven. 323 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: So Luca, to me, he is an old soul. Now 324 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: he's about twenty six years old. Now he's an old 325 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: twenty six and I'm sure he has four more peak 326 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: years and Hayes working out this offseason. Cooper Flag may 327 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: have twelve peak years, and Cooper Flag day one in 328 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: the NBA will be a better defender than Luca. That's 329 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: not just uble. Cooper Flag will be a better defender 330 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: first week in the league. So to me, if Cooper 331 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: Flag is seventy five to eighty five percent, Luca the 332 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: offensive player eventually and I get four years of the 333 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: rookie deal. Absolutely, And here's the thing about Luca. Here's 334 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: the thing about Luca. Twenty five dunks in his rookie 335 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: season one dunk last year. We saw that, so you 336 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: are the data is clear. Dude is aging. We saw 337 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: this with James Harden. His dunk numbers kept going back 338 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: down and down and down, and then James Harden is 339 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: still good, but he's a limited offensive player on what 340 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: he can perform right now. Luca, this is all he 341 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: is at twenty six. He's a step back guy. He's 342 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: not a playdown hill, attack the rim, dunkover guys. That's 343 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: not what he does at twenty six. Athletes age differently. 344 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: I would argue Luca is an old twenty six. Cooper 345 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: Flag is a young rookie. I mean, Jason Kidd remember 346 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: the introductory press conference what Jason Kidd said. Here's Jason Kidd. 347 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 9: Just sitting here listening to him. Is it incredible. I mean, 348 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 9: we're talking about eighteen year old who has all the 349 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 9: right answers, and it's talking about working out after this. 350 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 9: But you know, when you talk about his gift, he's 351 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 9: a basketball player and he's a winner. 352 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: Also, Luca still plays frequently for Slovenia, so you know, 353 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: he came into the NBA with three international seasons against 354 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: older physical players, seven years in the NBA, being a 355 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: lead scorer, score bodies being thrown at him, isn't in 356 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: great shape. Mellow is a Hall of Famer. But at 357 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: twenty eight, Peaked and that was just one year of college. 358 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: He played just one year of college at Syracuse, won 359 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: a title, went to the end. Twenty eight Peaked was 360 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: not quite the same player an age fast. Remember that 361 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: time when he laughed about being a bench guy for Okac. 362 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: That's what he was and so and then all of 363 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, Mellow had to go, yeah, this is what 364 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: I am. Luca didn't dunk anymore. He didn't play as 365 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: down hill as he used to. And I can like Luca. 366 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: I like Luca a lot. I think he's really good. 367 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: But I think Laker fans remember the day the Luca 368 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: trade was made, the sense was who Lakers are headed 369 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: to the finals? They housed Dallas. And then you're like, well, Max, Chris, 370 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: he's not bad in eighties, really good when he's healthy. 371 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: And I look at Dallas today, if Luca is as 372 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: good as you told me, I look at Dallas today, 373 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: I look at the Lakers today, next five years. Who 374 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: would you rather be? I would rather be Dallas best 375 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: frontline in the NBA Hall of Famer, and Ad still 376 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: plays on a nightly basis as an elite score and defender, 377 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: and here comes Cooper Flagg. So it just there are 378 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: certain players the closer you get to them. You know, 379 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 1: I always say this in baseball, nobody knows that team's 380 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: bullpen better than the fans of that team. How do 381 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: you feel when your team goes to the setup guy? 382 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: As a baseball fan in Atlanta, You're like, yeah, I 383 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: don't love this. Because baseball is such a long season. 384 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: The die hard baseball fans in the city know they're 385 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: bullpen better than any member of the media. They're covering it, 386 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: they're seeing it every night. How do you feel when 387 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: your team goes to the pen and the seventh inning? 388 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: And I feel that with Luca, the closer you are 389 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: to Luca, it's not just highlights. You get all the warts. 390 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: You see that he can't defend, You see that he 391 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: can be ball centric and he's gifted. I'm not denying it. 392 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: He's great, and I think he's got four years left. 393 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: But Cooper Flag, I think you're going to figure out 394 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: by the All Star Game. You're like, oh, it looks 395 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: pretty good, and Cooper Flag comes in. He does not 396 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: have to be a dominant score. Now with dlo there, 397 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: d lo A, d didn't have to be a dominant score. 398 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: Eighteen play defense gonna do just fine in Dallas now. 399 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Jmack loves Luca. J Mack loves Luca. He likes guys 400 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: that shoot. So just saying he's twenty six, he's an 401 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: old twenty six Colin. 402 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 4: Colin, my friend, I had to take some notes as 403 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 4: you were driding this down. Obviously tomorrow's a big day 404 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: here on the show, so I'm. 405 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 5: Taking some extra notes. 406 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: Did you really just say, Luca's basically a step back guy. 407 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: Now did you say that that's kind of what he is? 408 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 5: Did he sick? 409 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: No more dumbs doesn't. 410 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 4: Teen months ago he put the Mavericks on his back 411 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: and took them to the finals. 412 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: Okay. 413 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 5: Then he played in the Olympics in the summer. Then 414 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 5: he got hurt. He barely played the list. He played 415 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 5: fifty games due to the injury. Like, I can't believe 416 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 5: you just called. 417 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: He's been hurt. 418 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: He's guy. 419 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: He has been hurt twice since the Olympics. That's what 420 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: happens when you're not in great well. 421 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 4: They made him run to the finals and he was 422 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: running everything on that offense. 423 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 5: Then he played in the Olympics. 424 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: Like, that's a lot. Then he got hurt, and then 425 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: they got hurt again. 426 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 5: He's working out. 427 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: Let me just ask you, if Cooper Flag you would 428 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: take over Luca. Who is there anybody you're not taking 429 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: over Cooper Flag? 430 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean if you yeah, absolutely, 431 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: there's there's I mean, yeah, honest, I mean there's. First 432 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: of all, Cooper Flag is the best, the best domestic 433 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: draft pick since Lebron. 434 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 5: Okay, are you taking Wemby or Cooper flag right now. 435 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: Right now, you take Wemby because he's such a dominant 436 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: game altering defensively, you take. 437 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 5: We Ga or Cooper Flag right now? 438 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: Going forward, I'd probably take Cooper flag. 439 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: I would too, And I know that people are gonna 440 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 4: hate that because Sga is amazing, But yeah, so I 441 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: would put Cooper flag in that like he's gonna be 442 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 4: pretty soon a top ten guy in the league, probably 443 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 4: within the next five years. 444 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 5: Is that safe to say? 445 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh? I yes, I absolutely And I'm just saying. My 446 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: whole point is Avery Johnson said give me Cooper Flag. 447 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: And my take is that's what I think, And that's 448 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: not a knock on Luca Lucas still a top twelve 449 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: player in the league, top ten player depending on the 450 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: night and depending on his health. All Right, Hour two 451 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: coming up, Urban Meyer, Albert brewin Nor. 452 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 453 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: and noon eastern non a em Pacific. 454 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: Welcome Back. There was about a fifteen year period that 455 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: I thought outside of Ohio State, big ten schools just 456 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: didn't have the depth of talent that the LSUS and 457 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: the Alabama's had. Ohio State was sort of I used 458 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: to call him the SEC up North. They had the money, 459 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: the facilities, the coaching, but Michigan wann Natty, Buckeyes Wonnernaty. 460 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: The two best players in the country next year are 461 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: a receiver in a corner Caleb Downs Jeremiah Smith or Buckeyes. 462 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: And I think Penn State has the best backfield in 463 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: the country. And I think I have the nittneyl winning 464 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: a Natty. Although I think it's hard to you know, 465 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: the journey through the Big Ten now is tough because 466 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: Washington and USC are going to be better. Urban Meyer 467 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: is now joining US Urban. For years and years you knew, 468 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: and I knew, and the world knew. The SEC was better. 469 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I don't know who's better in 470 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: the middle or the tail end. But I think if 471 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: you took the top four teams today in the Big Ten, 472 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: which would be Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, and then 473 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: we can argue over for I think they are today 474 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: as good mine Lean is slightly better than the SEC. 475 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: Where are you at having coached in both conferences today. 476 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 8: The transition of the Big Ten has been phenomenal. On 477 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 8: the triple option, we have James Franklin. We talked about 478 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 8: that because he came into the league a couple of 479 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 8: years after I did. In twenty twelve, calling it wasn't 480 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 8: even close. It was shocking. There were great players in 481 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 8: the Big Ten, but the stadium atmospheres were just okay. 482 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 8: The talent was not there, and the certainly the bottom 483 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 8: half the Big Ten just wasn't very good. That's changed, 484 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 8: that's changed dramatically. The stadium atmospheres are incredible. The addition 485 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 8: of the four teams for the Pac twelve, I mean, 486 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 8: those are four legit teams. And how about this stat 487 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 8: This is interesting. In nine, there were twenty eight players 488 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 8: drafted average in the Big Ten. This past year there 489 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 8: was seventy one. That's overdouble. So how do you measure conferences? Championships? 490 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 8: Big Ten the last two years? And those are two 491 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 8: great teams, the Wolverings and the Buckeys, great teams. But 492 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 8: then the second way to measure at the NFL and 493 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 8: the SECS. I think it's nineteen straight years they've had 494 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 8: more draft picks than everyone else. They still do, but 495 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 8: the Big pen's much closer. 496 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know we sometimes because Michigan 497 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: and Ohio State and Penn State are such big brands. 498 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: We kind of forget about Washington and Oregon. And I've 499 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: said this before about Washington. Every time in my life 500 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: they've had a great coach, Don James, I mean new 501 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: Heisel got him to a Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson, Calin 502 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: de Boorr. Every time they have an elite coach, they 503 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: end up in a playoff. And I don't think people 504 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: in the at least in the South. I think they 505 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: do in the Midwest. They don't understand how good Oregon 506 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: is as a football program. Whereas the SEC added Texas 507 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. I think people view those as big brands. 508 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: Tell me how you view Oregon and Washington. Forget to 509 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: sc for a second. I don't think those schools get 510 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: the national respect. But I would argue Oregon and Washington 511 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: right now, are Oregon's better than Oklahoma? Washington's on the 512 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: same plateau? Where are you on that? 513 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 8: I think nashally, Oregon's a different it's a different duck, 514 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 8: but it's everybody looks at Oregon now, I mean the uniforms, 515 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 8: the stadium, the success they've had. I think I actually 516 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 8: considered them a blue blood right now, even though they've 517 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 8: not won a national championship. The Washington now I spend 518 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 8: time at Colorado State, I spent time at Utah's recruited out. 519 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 8: West Washington is a diamond and like you said, they've 520 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 8: always had when they have Don James, they have Brick 521 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 8: new Heisl, they have some of those coaches, Chris Peterson, 522 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 8: you're in the national championship hunt. They were just recently 523 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 8: in the championship hunt with Kailen de Bors. So you 524 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 8: added two great brands to the SEC. But I'll tell 525 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 8: you what, you got three legits and you just went 526 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 8: how about this? In the SEC, I count nine teams 527 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 8: that are expected to compete and win a national championship 528 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 8: for years, or just three in the Big Ten outs five, 529 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 8: So they've added. There's been some really strength added to 530 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 8: the Big Ten. 531 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of we all know the elite 532 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: NFL coaches in it feels like a young man's game. 533 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: And I think one of the advantages that Big ten 534 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: has now Franklin's a great recruiter, Ryan Day's a great recruiter. 535 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: Michigan has always been a solid. I think Dan Lanning's 536 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: a great recruiter. Also, a big nil USC now has 537 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: the number one twenty twenty six class Jed Fish has 538 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: always been. Even at Arizona, you got all sorts of 539 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: NFL guys. Is that the reality is the Big Ten 540 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: now has excellent recruiting coaches. That feels like a big 541 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, when you were in the SEC, 542 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: who was beating you in the Big Ten for players? 543 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: I think there's guys now in the Big Ten that 544 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: go down south and pull players up. 545 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 8: I'm glad you brought that up, because this is this 546 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 8: is real life. I leave the SEC and I come 547 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 8: to Ohio State and there was something called a gentleman's 548 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 8: agreement and the gentleman's coach, Bilama, got really pissed off 549 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 8: at me when we turned a couple players and I 550 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 8: didn't know gentlemen agreement. I'm sure what that means. In 551 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 8: the recruiting you got to go get play years. We 552 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 8: had two kids from Ohio committed to Wisconsin. Then we 553 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 8: got them, we flipped them, and people were saying, well, 554 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 8: you know, in this conference, you don't do that, and 555 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 8: I was like, I don't. I not saw that anywhere 556 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 8: in my contract. That's not against the rules. I got 557 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 8: a job at Ohio State to go win games, so 558 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 8: I'm going to recruit whoever the heck we want to recruit. 559 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 8: So the recruiting has changed dramatically. Like you said, you 560 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 8: think about the Big Ten coaches that are elite recruiters. 561 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 8: I'm not saying they weren't back in twenty twelve, but 562 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 8: there wasn't the emphasis on it is now. And as 563 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 8: a result, look look at the difference. I just told 564 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 8: you seventy one players drafted in the Big Ten Conference 565 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 8: last year compared to twenty eight just ten years ago, 566 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 8: fifteen years ago. 567 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the recruiting has changed in college football. You know, 568 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: I don't fight new stuff. If new stuff comes in, 569 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: there's new rules, there's new cultures. I'm just gonna you know, 570 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to figure out, like Rick Patino said 571 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: on my show recently, when the world changed, you can 572 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: you can fight it, or you can figure out a 573 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: way to solve the new world. If you were recruiting now, 574 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: let's say you're a Buckeye and and you're recruiting or 575 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: a Gator, whatever it is, how would you attack the 576 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: nil How would you attack it? 577 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 8: I would, uh, you've got to get players, and I 578 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 8: would attack it the way the big schools are attacking it. 579 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 8: I would have find out I would have distribution. I 580 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 8: would have a GM. I think Mark Pantoni, the guy 581 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 8: we hired here years ago, he still at Ohio State. 582 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 8: I still talk to him once in a while about 583 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 8: how they do this. But you know, you have to 584 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 8: put emphasis if they're if everybody's abiding by the same rules, 585 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 8: which now they are. A year ago, it wasn't the case. 586 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 8: You could go out and you spend and through the 587 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 8: collectives as much as you can. But I would put 588 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 8: premium on positions a lot like they do the NFL. 589 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 8: You got to pay what you got to pay for 590 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 8: a quarterback, for defense, vents, corners and receivers. You have 591 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 8: to do it. And I'd pay that center, So I would. 592 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 8: I would distribute and build the best team you could 593 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 8: pay we can. And that's that's kind of what the 594 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 8: top teams are doing right now. 595 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the You know, it's funny how you perceive a 596 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: coach and how the public does. I've always loved Sark, 597 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: but I've said this about Sark. Great recruiter, great with quarterbacks, 598 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: hustler Sometimes on the details, I kind of feel like 599 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: he lets the game flow, and occasionally I'll watch him 600 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: and think it gets a little away from him, But 601 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: again I'm nitpicking. How do you view Sark when you 602 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: do a Texas game or you watch Texas? What do 603 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: you see it? Does he have a trend? Does he 604 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: have a tell like? How do you view Sark? Why? 605 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 8: I have friends that are around Sark that know him well. 606 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 8: I know him fairly well. He's always been great to me. 607 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 8: I think he's the elite offense. I mean, that's I'm 608 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 8: on to state the obvious first. He's an elite offensive coach. 609 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 8: He was in the NFL, he was in college as 610 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 8: an assistant. As a head coach, they're always going to 611 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 8: be spectacular in all but a lot like Lincoln Riley, 612 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 8: is that you have to grow as a head coach. 613 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 8: You don't get championships for offense. That's not how this 614 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 8: game works. You get championships for great defense, not turning 615 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 8: the ball over, and efficient offense. And I think he's 616 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 8: grown into the position. He's still relatively young, even though 617 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 8: he's had some great jobs. So I view him as 618 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 8: one of the top coaches in the country. And that's 619 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 8: why I got Texas's Well, I haven't picked him for 620 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 8: sure yet, but I'm still studying it. But I think 621 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 8: most people have that preseason number one with a returning quarterback. 622 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: You know a program you know well as LSU, and 623 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: I like Brian Kelly, but it is a again, you 624 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: are recruiting your own players. You're everything's moving, and I 625 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley. I look at him and 626 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: I think it doesn't quite look like I think it 627 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: should look yet, and Saban got out of it. I 628 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: saw in college basketball coach k and Jay Wright are 629 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: like a young man's game. I'm getting out of this. 630 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: Let's say LSU is okay this year. Now I like 631 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: their quarterback. I think they're going to be better than okay. 632 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: But is there an argument with all the movement, there's 633 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: no off season that for the guys that are post sixty, 634 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: it's harder now than it's ever been. 635 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 8: Well, you got to connect with players, and you look 636 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 8: at the best connecting guys and it's real as the 637 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 8: younger the younger generation, And that's always been kind of 638 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 8: the facts of coaching players. You know you have young 639 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 8: guys on your staff. A big part of that is 640 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 8: what to loard the locker room, to let you know 641 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 8: the locker room. So Brian Kelly, I admire him we're friends. 642 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 8: We coached against each other. I visit his programs, he's 643 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 8: visited mine. To think that he's still coaching. You know, 644 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 8: I didn't see that happening. And then he saw an 645 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 8: opportunity at LSU. And I'll tell you this about Brian. 646 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 8: Kelly's driven and he wants that national championship and you 647 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 8: don't move from South Bend. He did it for one reason, 648 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 8: and that's to go get that crystal balls. So I 649 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 8: know it's driving him and he's he's one of those 650 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 8: guys when he when he pushes really hard, great things happened. 651 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 8: So yeah, I didn't. I didn't see that one happened. 652 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 8: I didn't see him coaching this long. But when he 653 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 8: saw that opportunity showed up at LSU, we actually talked 654 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 8: about it a couple of years ago. He just thinks 655 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 8: that spectacular and the chance he co win it all. 656 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: Finally, you guys at Ohio State, you picked up produced 657 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: tight end again, another exceptional class. It's Caleb Downs, It's 658 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith. Everybody loves the quarterback. If I said, give 659 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: me your top three teams in the country just in personnel, 660 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to look at this schedule. 661 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: If I just said, like last year, by the end 662 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: of the year, Ohio State had more good players than everybody. 663 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: They looked like those Alabama teams where they were like 664 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: Tyson in their prime. People were getting intimidated. Name the 665 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: three best rosters right now, personnel in America. 666 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 8: Yeah, you said, you guys at Ohio State. I'm at 667 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 8: Fox I'm not. I know, I know, I was just 668 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 8: I'm just kidding you. Texas, Texas, Ohio State and Penn 669 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 8: State is following the lead of the Wolverines and the Buckeyes, 670 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 8: and that is they have more seniors. Think about this, 671 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 8: colin that I never had a chance to coach fourth 672 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 8: year players. If I did, it is very rare. And 673 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 8: the difference between a fourth year player and a rookie 674 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 8: or a freshman is night and day. You're coaching grown 675 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 8: ass men. You're coaching that's a men's locker room compared 676 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 8: to young person So I watch out for Penn State man. 677 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 8: If Drew Aller can really improves a quarterback, I agree 678 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 8: with you. To get the best backfield, I don't think 679 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 8: it's close in the country. They got an offensive line 680 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 8: that they can't wait to get on the Field. So yeah, 681 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 8: I think Penn State, Texas, and Ohio State are three 682 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 8: most talented. 683 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Urban Meyer, there's a golf course waiting, There's a 684 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: four iron waiting for you to grab it. So I 685 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: have fur chased mind. 686 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 8: I'll see it. Gina and George. Ettie's in Chicago, and. 687 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: DA tell me when you're in town. I'm ready for it. Yeah. Michigan. Uh, 688 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: Michigan two years ago. Ohio State last year. Penn States 689 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: might call to beat Texas in the National Championship. Uh, 690 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, keep your eye on Oregon. Yeah, keep your 691 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: eye on Oregon. But I think they're really good. Ohio 692 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: State will obviously be good.