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Speaker 1: What's happening? Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Memorial Day Monday at ISS Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Harris foot Playan, a sideline reporter for.

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Speaker 2: Your Houston Texans, and obviously on a day as such,

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Speaker 2: we recognize all of those that have given their lives

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Speaker 2: for this country, fighting for our military and fighting for

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Speaker 2: all of us here back in the United States. Much

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Speaker 2: love to everybody that has given their lives, given their time,

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Speaker 2: their effort, their blood, their sweat, their tears for this country.

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Speaker 1: A hearty salute to you.

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Speaker 2: On this Monday, and on this Monday, we're going to

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Speaker 2: recognize a great American.

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Speaker 1: He being Seth Pain.

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Speaker 2: Set joined us for what was one of the best

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Speaker 2: discussions I think we've had with a former player, cohort friend.

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Speaker 2: He is all of that, and we just dove right

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Speaker 2: in and figured, you know what this is about the

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Speaker 2: length of a show, So let's do it. Memorial Monday

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Speaker 2: Show with Seth Pain, original Texan.

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Speaker 1: Let's rock all right?

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Speaker 3: Joining us now, Seth Payne, and this is not your

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Speaker 3: normal Seth Pain type visit where we talk about it's

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Speaker 3: game day. Everybody's at fever pitch right now. The hair

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Speaker 3: is standing up in the back of my neck. It

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Speaker 3: is anyway, but for different reasons, because we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk to Seth about his life and career and the

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Speaker 3: rest of it.

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Speaker 4: Seth, how's it going.

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Speaker 5: It's good. I'm flattered that you would have me on.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Well. I never do interviews about myself anymore,

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Speaker 5: so I'm a little out of practice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you were a player, you were a

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Speaker 3: go to guy because you were such a good interview

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure you still do, and I know you

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Speaker 3: do a lot of out of town stuff about hey,

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Speaker 3: what's up with the Texans this week's game or the

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Speaker 3: draft or whatever, but it's not really about Seth Pain.

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Speaker 3: What was it like when you were a player and

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Speaker 3: people peppering you with questions and a lot of that

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Speaker 3: was about the game too, but you got a lot

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Speaker 3: of life of Seth Payn type interviews as well.

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Speaker 5: That was always interesting and it's nice that people are

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Speaker 5: interested in you. Yes, the one thing I remember learning

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Speaker 5: very early on my rookie year because it wasn't like

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Speaker 5: because I didn't go to high profile schools and I

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Speaker 5: kind of philosophizing about how there's certain parts of getting

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Speaker 5: a college education that are either probably overblown or at

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Speaker 5: least overrated the system. I think perhaps maybe over I

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Speaker 5: remember just kind of casually just talking about it, and

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Speaker 5: when that's put into print form and it's the pro

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Speaker 5: football player says going to college is overrated, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I got to be really careful about how I discussed

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Speaker 5: these things, because it's not like these days where you

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Speaker 5: can have a podcast and talk about it for forty

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Speaker 5: five minutes. I tried to talk with Nuance about something

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Speaker 5: that ended up being kind of something that somebody people

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Speaker 5: were angry about, so that there was always when you're

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Speaker 5: an athlete, and when people complain about bland quotes from athletes,

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Speaker 5: it's that usually most of them know and understand that,

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Speaker 5: like any little thing, any answer I give about this

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Speaker 5: is going to be blown up and dissected so many

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Speaker 5: different ways that I'm just I'm just going to go

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Speaker 2: If you'd have been a player now and you talk

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Speaker 2: about podcasts, there's so many different players with podcasts now,

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Speaker 2: and I always kind of cringe when I'm like, oh god,

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Speaker 2: somebody said on his podcast about this and that the other.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm on Ross Saint Brown and his brother Equanimius.

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Speaker 2: There's always something that happens between them. Would you have

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, because I was the opposite, I think,

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Speaker 5: just with the dynamic that I just talked about. And

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Speaker 5: then also, I mean it was a different time too,

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Speaker 5: use the term that you would use, but basically somebody

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Speaker 5: who was a little too liberal with the media, you're

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Speaker 5: like a media hussy. Yeah, And I always I always

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Speaker 5: actually probably be started being less and less available to

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Speaker 5: the media, just in that I never wanted to be

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Speaker 5: hit that forty five minute mark, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: you forget that you're talking into a microphone. And that's when,

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, yeah, yeah, unintentionally criticize a teammate

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Speaker 4: That is so well said. It's kind of like the

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Speaker 4: Runners High.

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Speaker 3: You know, you reach a point where it doesn't matter anymore,

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Speaker 3: and I think your right sets we need a term

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Speaker 3: for that, at the forty five minute mark approximately of

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Speaker 3: a podcast, where it just all breaks down, All the

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Speaker 3: walls come down, the filters are off, and that's when

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Speaker 3: the good stuff really comes out.

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Speaker 5: I've got a physiological explanation for that too, because the

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Speaker 5: Runners High, it is around the forty five minute mark

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Speaker 5: where your body kind of kicks into burning fat more

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Speaker 5: than carbohydrates, and you do It's a different feel and

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Speaker 5: whatever however that happens psychologically, I think the same thing

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Speaker 5: happens around forty five minutes. When we had when John

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Speaker 5: and I were interviewing Rusty Hardin and Russia made a

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Speaker 5: in a massage. It was like, at the forty seven

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Speaker 4: That and that was the money.

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Speaker 3: It was the money quote absolutely, and I thought, oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, he just destroyed the whole industry with one quote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Affected it.

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Speaker 3: I should say, not destroyed, because I guess it's still

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Speaker 2: I mean, set you go from you know, a podcast

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Speaker 2: How comfortable have you gotten in doing that every single

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Speaker 2: day and finding topics that you could talk about where

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously you take breaks every fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 2: seven forty one, you guys go straight through. Do you

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Speaker 2: have some of those same kind of moments when you

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Speaker 5: I think no, because I mean, for one, so much

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Speaker 5: don't worry about it. And with Sean, I mean, for one,

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Speaker 5: Sean is so good at preparing and getting ready for

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Speaker 5: the show that I never feel like we don't know

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Speaker 5: I know. It's the way it works with Sean and

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Speaker 5: I is almost like he's my teacher and he's giving

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Speaker 5: me reading assignments, and by and large, I'm pretty good

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Speaker 5: at you know, Like I don't, I try to have

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Speaker 5: I were kind of that same way. So I don't

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Speaker 5: I can't really speak to what it would be like

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Speaker 5: if I was with somebody that I hated, that wasn't

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Speaker 5: saying things that that tweak your tweak my mind. Like

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Speaker 5: I always go into a segment knowing that Sean's going

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Speaker 5: to say something that I didn't think about, or have

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Speaker 5: it's it's fun because it's just you can be curious,

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Speaker 5: that part of it for me, just by virtue of

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Speaker 5: never it's hard to explain to people, like I hate

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Speaker 5: it when I hate it when I hate it when

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Speaker 5: because it always ends up sounding vapid, but like, hey,

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Speaker 4: For four hours, like yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But people don't understand how difficult it can be because

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Speaker 1: You know, half the hour, because four hours.

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Speaker 2: Man to keep coming up with things that will engage

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Speaker 1: That's tougher than people think.

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely tougher, and you know, Sean is so

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Speaker 3: well organized, like Seth says. But Seth, one of my

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Speaker 3: you were driving. I think it was when you were

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Speaker 3: to call it. And I love that day because you

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome. I mean, I forget what we talked about,

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Speaker 3: but it was. It was a memorable show because it

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Speaker 3: just felt so stream of consciousness. And sometimes I like

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Speaker 3: those two but it's hard to do that every day.

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Speaker 4: You can't. Don't try this at home, right Yeah, No.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it's a different dynamic, you know, if you've

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Speaker 5: got And that's a fun thing about right now, is

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Speaker 5: in sports media, there are a million different routes you

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Speaker 5: if he said this is what I'm going to do

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Speaker 5: on sports radio, every single suit in the industry would say, oh,

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Speaker 5: you're an idiot, You're not going to make it. And

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Speaker 5: now some of those guys are making like millions of

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Speaker 5: matter of just like ultimately it's be interesting and in

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Speaker 5: sports radio, because so many people are listening in your car,

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Speaker 5: it within the guide. The guide rails enough that you know,

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Speaker 2: Time seth We always talk about this when we were

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Speaker 2: and Mark mentioned it. You were kind of to go

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Speaker 4: I so this is good stuff.

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Speaker 3: And it's all coming back now because in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 3: And this is before you were a glint in my eye, Johnny.

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Speaker 4: You're doing a great job at it right now.

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Speaker 4: That's the name of the town.

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Speaker 5: Right. Well, I was born in Clifton Springs at the

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Speaker 3: All right, will you tell me what it was like

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's a it's a long and winding road.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever talked to Kate Stover about this?

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Speaker 2: Because Caid grew up on a farm, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever had she had's chance

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Speaker 5: Dairy farming, it's just those damn cows have to get

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Speaker 5: Okay, so my brother he toughened me up by beating

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Speaker 3: that they might still be in that e WL, the

439
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 3: Eastern Wrestling League. Penn State was in that league before

440
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 3: the Big Ten, and that was a separate league.

441
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 4: It was just wrestling.

442
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 3: It was East Stroudsburg and Lockehaven and Clarion.

443
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 4: And Penn State.

444
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 3: It was wild to have all these kinds of schools

445
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 3: in this big time wrestling collegiate league. But he was

446
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 3: an All American and rugby became his thing after he graduated, right,

447
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,479
Speaker 3: and he played it professionally, coached it. Now he's CEO

448
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 3: of Rugby International whatever the outfit is he was.

449
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was rugby CEO of Rugby USA and then

450
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 5: also COO of Rugby America's I believe for a while,

451
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 5: like now he's semi retired, but yeah, he's one of

452
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 5: these guys. He's just a he's like a crazy one

453
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 5: of those super competitive, good at everything type of athletes.

454
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 5: But he was a late bloomer, so he never really

455
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 5: he never really blossomed in football because he had he

456
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 5: had a growth He had his growth for late in

457
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 5: high school. So wrestling was kind of the perfect sport

458
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 5: for him. But he got Yeah, he kind of he

459
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 5: he picked up rugby in away on the mental side

460
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 5: of things that I think was freakishly fast, so he

461
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 5: was able to kind of grasp the sport and then

462
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 5: because he was a wrestler and he had the endurance

463
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 5: for it, he really picked up. He ended up playing

464
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 5: on the Rugby World Cup, you know, within a few

465
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 5: years of really picking up the sport and launching himself

466
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 5: into it full time and ended up making it his career.

467
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: SE's one of the things I'd love to write a

468
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 2: scouting report, especially on an offense.

469
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: Steven's lineman is state championship wrestler.

470
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, never lost about of wrestling, And I know we

471
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 2: talked to Justin Britt about this a few years ago,

472
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: and he was more of a mindset that the wrestling

473
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 2: was it was more about the one on one competition

474
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: as opposed to anything technical. But it feels like the wrestlers,

475
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 2: like you see guys on the football field, you can tell, oh,

476
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: that guy was a wrestler. And I remember doing that

477
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. I told a guy who's a

478
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: wrestler a standby some media. I was like, you wrestled,

479
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: didn't you? And he's like, yeah, how'd you know? And

480
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: these media asked me afterwards. It's like, you can just tell,

481
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: how did wrestling help you as a football player or

482
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: did it?

483
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 5: I know one hundred percent it really really helped. I

484
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 5: mean the biggest thing, especially an interior defensive line or

485
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 5: interior offensive line, is that you just learn the importance

486
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 5: of body positioning and just how much you know, like

487
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 5: having your weight in the right place really matters. And

488
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 5: then you're just you're constantly just trying to figure out

489
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 5: ways to move people. And your hands are really important too,

490
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 5: So like all that stuff, it's kind of it's I mean,

491
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 5: it's a martial art. Really you don't people don't really

492
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 5: think of it, but it's a martial art just high

493
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 5: school and Olympic wrestling in and of itself. So there's

494
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 5: that side of it, and then yeah, there's the mental

495
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 5: toughness side of it too, is just that you're out

496
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: there on your own in front of a bunch of people,

497
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 5: and it's it's emotionally devastating when you lose when you're

498
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 5: a young kid, because it's embar It's like getting beat

499
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 5: up in a fist fight, you know, and you have

500
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 5: to learn how to process all that stuff and how

501
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 5: to come back from it. But the the hand fighting,

502
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 5: because I wasn't a good athlete at all by defensive

503
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 5: tackle standards, but because I was able to use my

504
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 5: hands really well and to use my body weight, it

505
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 5: made a big difference. And yeah, you see it with

506
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 5: like Mason Graham. Mason Graham was a high school wrestler.

507
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 5: Was he not attack with my house state? I think

508
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 5: you see it clearly with him. I was kind of

509
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 5: surprised that Gray's abel wasn't a high school wrestler because

510
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 5: there when I when I saw him the first time,

511
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, that kid looks like a wrestler.

512
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 5: So he kind of knows how to uses he knows

513
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 5: how to uses hips and us his body like a wrestler.

514
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: But what he doesn't do what you pointed out and

515
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: is dead on he doesn't use his hands very well,

516
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: and wrestlers know how to use their hands really well.

517
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: It's I always find sort of sort of fascinating because

518
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, growing up, we didn't have we didn't have

519
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: wrestling here. But I get to Brown and Mark, you

520
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: were at Penn State for a while. You see what

521
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: kind of psychomaniacs those dudes are. Yeah, they're unbelievable. Like

522
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: our full back, his name is Chris Takarski. He played

523
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: at full back at two fifteen two and fifteen pounds.

524
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: The season was over and even before the season was

525
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: over he started cutting. But by the time they got

526
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: to wrestling season, he was one seventy seven.

527
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I was like, they do that.

528
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: It blew my mind.

529
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 4: Just wrestle heavier because because the.

530
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: Heavier guys are sucking down the wrest exactly. You know

531
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Speaker 5: what about that though, John The biggest thing that honestly,

532
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 5: you can try to tell high school kids this all

533
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 5: the time and they just don't want to believe it

534
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 5: because everybody's so obsessed with the bench best. As a wrestler,

535
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 5: you know, pull ups and the peg board and all

536
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 5: that stuff, that's the thing, And as a bigger guy

537
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 5: I was a bigger, like, a longer, lengthier wrestler, like,

538
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: I was never nearly as good at pull ups as

539
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 5: a lot of the smaller guys. And you just you're

540
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 5: always you want to be able to do a bunch

541
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 5: of that's a big thing. You want to be able

542
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 5: to do the peg board. And I, as an NFL player,

543
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 5: I was considered a pretty strong guy. That was more

544
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: my calling card. And I swear I was never a

545
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: good bench press guy, but I could do you know,

546
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 5: when I was three hundred and fifteen pounds, I could do

547
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 5: weighted pull ups and there's a lot that comes with

548
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 5: the push and pull that it served me really really

549
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 5: well when it came to hand fighting and some of

550
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 5: the more physical sides of the game that like if

551
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 5: you're a high school kid alignment especially that can whip

552
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 5: out fifteen pull ups. That's freaky strength for a three

553
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 5: hundred and fifteen pound dude. And it has way more

554
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 5: of an impact in football than people want to believe

555
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: because they just they want to have the big bench press.

556
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: Yep, it's all about the bench press.

557
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: Thankfully, Cornell saw through all of that, made sure that

558
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: Seth stayed home, and then he became an NFL prospect.

559
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: We just got to saw that next right here on

560
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Speaker 1: Texans All Access.

561
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Speaker 6: Welcome back to Memorial Day issue of Texans All Actress

562
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Speaker 6: from Texas Radio Studio. I'm John Harris, football and a

563
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 6: sideline reporter, one half of the inter Lab podcast crew.

564
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 6: Drew and I will have a podcast later this week,

565
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 6: presumably after OTAs gave you kind of our thoughts on

566
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 6: what's happened at OTA's and while we're out there Ota'

567
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 6: I'm sure we're going to run it to our guy,

568
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 6: Seth Payne. That's what this show is dedicated to and

569
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Speaker 6: who it's dedicated to. We did a great, great interview

570
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 6: with him a few a few weeks ago, and it

571
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 6: was awesome, and we hit a number of different things.

572
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 6: We got to that point now where Seth, and he's

573
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 6: talked about this a lot on radio.

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Speaker 1: You know, how did he how'd he get to Cornell?

575
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: What happened? What made him a prospect that Cornell wanted?

576
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: And then how in turn did he become an NFL

577
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: prospect while at Cornell?

578
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: It starts right.

579
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: Here, but tell me why Cornell.

580
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 5: My senior year in high school, I played real well,

581
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 5: but we had a head coach who probably wasn't the

582
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: best high school coach. Good guy, good guy. He got

583
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 5: fired and had had really zero discussions with him at

584
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: I'll ever about playing in college or anything. It just

585
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 5: wasn't we weren't like a pipeline to colleges. So Sean

586
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 5: O'Day and I were working out another offensive lineman, a

587
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 5: friend of mine who we were big weight room partners

588
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: and everything. We're working out in the weight room on

589
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 5: our own and we look in the coach's office, the

590
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 5: vacant coaches office was a stack of questionneers on from colleges.

591
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: So I'm like, I don't I talked to a couple

592
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 5: of Division III schools in the area, like Hobart and

593
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 5: University of Rochester. They go around and they look at like,

594
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: you know, all Greater Rochester team. So I just started

595
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 5: kind of shuffling through and we just we just we

596
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: filled out our own questionneers and set them off to

597
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: those schools, and Cornell was one of them. So I

598
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 5: got I got a visit from the Cornell coach a

599
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 5: few weeks later, and he was watching film with you know,

600
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 5: one of our position coaches in the office and coach

601
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 5: to Stefano. He'd end up being my defense line coach

602
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 5: and uh, and I kind of got called in and

603
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm trying to figure out if they they

604
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 5: figured out my ruse I built this thing out, and

605
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: I'm like a Dave Connon was the position coach, and

606
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 5: I'm looking at him. I'm like, I I hope he

607
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: didn't say it. Oh, we didn't say that obviously. Seth

608
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 5: filled this out but coached the step. And I was

609
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 5: watching the watching my film with me and he's like, so, uh,

610
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 5: who's uh who's been talking to you? And I listed

611
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 5: the local He's like, so that's uh, that's it. Huh Okay,

612
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 5: let's uh, let's schedule you for a visit and and

613
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 5: he put on the full court press. So I I

614
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: kind of was in a spot where I didn't know.

615
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: I didn't know for sure that I even wanted to

616
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: go to college. I knew that if I wanted to

617
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 5: go to college, like, I did really well with my

618
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 5: grades and everything. And then I had a lot of

619
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: family members that went to Cornell, so there was an

620
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 5: appeal there just because I'd been to Cornell games when

621
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 5: I was a kid. I had my uncle played football

622
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: at Cornell. Uh, but it wasn't. I. I really was

623
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 5: in a mindset where I wasn't sure what I was

624
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 5: going to do after high school, and I I was

625
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 5: thinking about going up to work on a fishing boat

626
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: in Alaska for a year or two, and then I

627
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: was going to enlist in the Marines. I kind of

628
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: had an appetite for an adventure. And Uh, but but

629
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: you know, Cornell. I got into Cornell and they wanted

630
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: me to play football, so I went that route. But

631
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 5: it was it totally wasn't like any kind of a

632
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 5: focused approach or anything like that. It really was just

633
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 5: a good blend of circumstances with a little bit with

634
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 5: a little bit of low grade fraud by me.

635
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: Well, after after four years of making the mistake of

636
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: going to Cornell instead of going to a place like Brown,

637
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: you are now an NFL draft prospect. And I remember

638
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: I was in Jacksonville and at the time, and I

639
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: was thrilled anytime an ivy leaguer is mentioned as a

640
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, day two, day three potential pick, like I'm

641
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm all about it, and.

642
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I was so excited.

643
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: But when for you did the NFL become any kind

644
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: of reality like Hey, this actually my might be a

645
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: thing that I need to be, that I need to

646
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: consider with my life. Because I know a lot of

647
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: guys that you played with. I don't know personally, but

648
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: I played with a lot of them at Brown. Now

649
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: were the kind of the same way of we're gonna

650
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: play our four years and that's it. We know we're

651
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: going on to some kind of financial investment job, or

652
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: we're going on to work for you know, JP Morgan,

653
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: or somebody's gonna go be a lawyer, whatever the case

654
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: might be. There are many of us that end up

655
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: being NFL players, But you did When was that a

656
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: reality for you? When did you see, oh, my gosh,

657
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: this actually might come to fruition?

658
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I always I you know, I

659
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 5: worked really hard at football because I loved it, and

660
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: you know, I just loved being on the team. But

661
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 5: I didn't really have the NFL aspirations my first couple

662
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 5: of years. And at that point, you know, there's a

663
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: period where nobody had been drafted out of the IVY

664
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: League in fifteen years or so, I think, in a

665
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: long time. But my junior year scouts, that's when scouts

666
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: come around, and I got some positive feedback from some

667
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: scout that you know, had said that they were interested

668
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: or whatever. But we also at the same time got

669
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: a new strength coach named Tom Howley, who was the

670
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: first time that the program had a full time strength coach.

671
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 5: Like that's how that's how kind of behind the times

672
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: the IVY League was at that time. But Tom Howley

673
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: had he had played at Wake Forest, No, he played

674
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 5: at TWU lane, but he'd been a Division one strength coach,

675
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 5: and he told me, you know, in my position coach

676
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: Pete the Stefano had conversations with me about how this

677
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: is a real thing, and so I kind of put

678
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: myself full bore into it my junior year and then

679
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 5: in that offseason headed into my senior year and I

680
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 5: stayed stayed at Cornell in the summer, which wasn't typical

681
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 5: at the time either, but just working with Di Stefano

682
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: as a position coach, and he was an awesome, awesome

683
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 5: position coach. He taught me much better tech. I had

684
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: better technique coming to the league than the vast majority

685
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: of SEC guys, big ten guys, anybody like that. But

686
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: Tom Howley kind of just transformed my body and my approach.

687
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: So that spring before my senior year and then summer

688
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: before my senior year. That was that was my goal,

689
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: But it hadn't been my lifelong goal or anything. It

690
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 5: was just kind of the seed was planted by junior year.

691
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: Wow, so the seed was planted. You end up going

692
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: to the fourth round. What was draft weekend like for you?

693
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: Because this was Saturday Sunday. It was rounds one, two,

694
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: three on Saturday, four through seven on Sunday.

695
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: What was that weekend like? Did you think maybe I

696
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: go in the.

697
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: Third and then Saturday ends You're thinking, oh my gosh,

698
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen?

699
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: How did that play out for you?

700
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 5: I was blissfully ignorant. Especially there wasn't you know, the

701
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: level of coverage online and everywhere else. It just wasn't

702
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 5: the same as it is now. So I just knew

703
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: from my agent that I had a chance of going

704
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: probably somewhere between the third and sixth round. You know

705
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 5: what I wasn't prepared for. It was just how long

706
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 5: the process is. Because I knew I wasn't going in

707
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 5: the first round, but you sit there on that first

708
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: day in May, it's a long time. Yeah, yeah, And

709
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 5: every time you see somebody else go you're like, Yep,

710
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: that definitely wasn't me. It's just rejection after rejection after rejection.

711
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: And I want to say that at that time, the

712
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: first three rounds were on the first day and then

713
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: four were on the second day. So I got a

714
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: call from the I got a call from the Cowboys

715
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 5: defensive line coach sometime during the third round that that

716
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 5: year or that day on the first day, and then

717
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: he said, hey, Seth, you know you're the last. This

718
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: will be interesting and John will probably remember this exact scenario.

719
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: He said, you're the last defensive tackle that we would

720
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: consider drafting. And I just want to let you know,

721
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: if we draft the defensive tackle, we're either going to

722
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 5: take you with our last pick in the third round

723
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 5: or our first pick in the fourth round. And then

724
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 5: I sat and I watched, and then lo and behold

725
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 5: they end up taking the kid out of Syracuse, Antonio

726
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 5: something or other with the third round pick, a defensive tackle.

727
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 5: What the hell is this all about? Yeah? I kinda,

728
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 5: and I still I was just a I was a rube.

729
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 5: I didn't know what was going on or anything. So

730
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 5: I had bigger right, we'll wait and see. And so

731
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 5: the fourth round, I got taken relatively early that day,

732
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 5: and then it was just a whirlwind. But the Cowboys coach,

733
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 5: to his credit, called and said, hey, Seth, I really

734
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: I feel bad about that. I just want to let

735
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 5: you know we'd had that guy off our board because

736
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 5: of injury concerns. But the owner stepped in and said that,

737
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 5: uh no, we're going to go with the guy from

738
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: the bigger school at this point. So Jerry Jones meddled

739
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: with me and uh and I would didn't, thank God,

740
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: because I would have been a disaster in Dallas. I

741
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 5: wasn't mature enough to handle that environment.

742
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: Oh really, now it all makes sense. I mean, nineteen

743
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: ten makes all kinds of sense.

744
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: I mean you got the ultimate revenge against Jerry Jones

745
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys.

746
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 5: I mean, oh yeah, I carried it with me. Yeah yeah.

747
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: I felt jilted and I screwed over by the Cowboys

748
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 5: my entire career.

749
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, you're you're an eye the player.

750
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: And then, like you said, you got pass. Did you

751
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: how much of a chip on his shoulder did you

752
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: play with throughout your career?

753
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 4: Seth?

754
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: Pretty big? I think you know. The first when I

755
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: got into a training camp the first thought I had,

756
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 5: And honestly, in writers I remember telling a couple of

757
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 5: writers this and they kind of chuckled at me. I was,

758
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 5: like I said, honestly, I felt like practice in the

759
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: Ivy League was harder than going against some of the

760
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 5: rookies and yeah, whatever, Like I don't know, those guys,

761
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 5: like some of those offensive linemen, they weren't gonna ever

762
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 5: make it in the NFL because they were six foot tall,

763
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 5: but they fought their butts off. Yeah, and in the

764
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: Ivy League. The one thing about it is, you know,

765
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: now there's a lot more you know, technically there's no scholarships,

766
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: but there's a lot of there's a lot of there's

767
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: a lot of kids that aren't paying to go to

768
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 5: school there. Yeah, but like the kids like I took

769
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: out school loans to go to college and play football,

770
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: and there was a scrappiness. And I think there are

771
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that were real tough athletes that

772
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 5: were six foot tall but would fight you, yep. And

773
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 5: and I'd go up against some of this. So, honestly,

774
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 5: the thought I had was a lot of especially when

775
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: I was going against rookies or guys that were drafted

776
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 5: higher than me. It was like this dude, this dude

777
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 5: got a scholarship and got drafted just because he had

778
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 5: an overactive pituitary. Glenn, but he's a punk and I'm

779
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 5: going to kick his ass. Ooh, And I kind of

780
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 5: carried that with me for a long time, especially with

781
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 5: high draft picks. I'm like, oh, you know what, because

782
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: you went through cuberty a couple of years earlier than me,

783
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: you got a scholarship, and you went to a big

784
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 5: high school and you got and you got treated like

785
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 5: a prince, and then here you are in the NFL.

786
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 5: I'm going to kick your ass and and that it's

787
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 5: a good attitude to have in life.

788
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: I've heard the Coughlin stories. Andre talks about it because

789
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: he was in camp once with the Jags, that if

790
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: you're five minutes early, you're ten minutes late, stuff like that.

791
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: And you've talked about Coughlin from time to time on

792
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: the show. But what kind of impact did he make

793
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: on your career and life playing for Tom Coughlin, is't you?

794
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing with Coughlin was, you know,

795
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: he came out of that Parcels school where it's like

796
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 5: they want to keep you uncomfortable all the time. They

797
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 5: just they never want you to feel like they don't

798
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: want you to feel too good about yourself. You know.

799
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 5: It's very very old school, but it's man. It's it's

800
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 5: like going through basic training. You just you learn to

801
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: be mentally tough. You learn that I'm not I'm not

802
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 5: fighting for scraps or praise or anything like that. You're

803
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: just supposed to do your job and that you're constantly

804
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: going to be no matter how well you're playing, you're

805
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: going to be under constant scrutiny. And the thing about

806
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: Coughlin that was cool was it was he was consistent

807
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 5: with it. He did not play favorites at all. I

808
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 5: remember Beselli telling me that that Cofflin had never once

809
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 5: told the Selli that he had a good game, you know,

810
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 5: like it's just it's it's not the way I would

811
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 5: operate if I were coach, but it's you know, and

812
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 5: it's different. There's different ways to do it, and you

813
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 5: can be a successful a lot of different ways. But

814
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 5: as a player, you just you had to learn to

815
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: be really really mentally tough because it wasn't and just

816
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: take a lot of pride in doing your job and

817
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 5: doing things for your teammates and that you're just you're

818
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: never safe and u and it teaches you to kind

819
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: of that constant like a healthy paranoia that all right,

820
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: boy whatever, that's great. Yeah, did a good job, but man,

821
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: I got a there's somebody gun in for me next week, Seth.

822
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: You went to an expansion team, well twice, but it

823
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: started in Jacksonville. Where you go to expansion team. You

824
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: got there in ninety seven n seven, so that's your

825
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: first year that they had only been playing for a

826
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: couple of years. With the year prior ninety six they

827
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: ended up going to the AFC Championship Game. I mean

828
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: that was a year where I mean it, I was,

829
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: I lived there, I saw the whole thing. I was like,

830
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: this is incredible an expansion team getting to that level.

831
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: But it still was an expansion team. What was that light?

832
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: Going down to Jacksonville place where they only had the

833
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: NFL for the three years before you got there.

834
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: It was really cool. And you know, and again you

835
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: just as a college kid, you just don't know what

836
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: you're getting into. So everything that happens, and especially when

837
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: you go to a smaller school, there's so many things

838
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: that you've never done before, like play in front of

839
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 5: seventy five thousand people and play again. I remember one

840
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 5: of the first games, well, the first preseason game I

841
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 5: ever had. Jim Kelly was doing the color commentary, so

842
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 5: I had a production meeting with Jim Kelly, and I

843
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 5: grew up a Bills fan throughout that whole era, and

844
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 5: Jim Kelly had just retired, and it was just it

845
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 5: was surreal I was sitting I was sitting in a

846
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: meeting with Jim Kelly asking me questions about things about me,

847
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: and I was kind of blown away by it. So

848
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: like that the whole experience of being a rookie is

849
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 5: kind of mind blowing. But the Jacksonville environment was cool because,

850
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 5: for one, they still very much had a lot of

851
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: old school NFL veterans, like I got hazed the way,

852
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: not as bad as like the Saints back in the

853
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: day or anything, but like I got, you know, you're

854
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: still a rookie, and you better know your spot and

855
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: know your role and shut up and don't you know,

856
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: don't don't act like a rookie. You know, better to

857
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 5: be seen and not heard all that type of stuff.

858
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: But you learned a lot from guys like like Jeff

859
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 5: Logman and John Yorkovic and all those guys in that

860
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 5: defensive line meeting room. I had a lot of crusty,

861
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: old old school NFL veterans that kind of like in

862
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 5: line with playing for Tom Cofflin. It was just it

863
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 5: was it was a bygone era. It was like a

864
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 5: last fumes of a bygone era of the NFL. But

865
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 5: I'm glad I got to see a little bit of it,

866
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 5: all right.

867
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: So you played in an AFC championship game nineteen ninety nine.

868
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: The Jags have a phenomenal season, but lose twice to

869
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: the Titans in the regular season, and here you are

870
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: again with them, and you almost had a shot at

871
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: the Bills if the Music City miracle never occurs, so

872
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: that would have been interesting, but you lose to them

873
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: for the third time. Dom Capers is the defensive coordinator.

874
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: I remember him telling me how tough Steve McNair was

875
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: to deal with in those games. But when you look

876
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: back on that set, because man, the Texans have never

877
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: played in an AFC championship game, and I often think

878
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: if you lose an AFC championship game, it's gonna be

879
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: almost worse almost than losing the Super Bowl, because at

880
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: least you went to the Super Bowl and you can

881
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: say we won the AFC.

882
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: But what do you look back on that season?

883
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: What kind of eyes do you look back on that

884
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 3: season with, Hey, we were fourteen and two, we were outstanding,

885
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: we made it to the AFC Championship Game. Or is

886
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: it just total bitterness that you lost at home to

887
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: the Titans.

888
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 5: No, I think a lot of it is. Man. You

889
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 5: just you really learn how hard it is to just

890
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 5: capitalize on everything and for everything to come all together.

891
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: Because we were that year. Our defense was extremely good

892
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 5: for the first three quarters of the season, and then

893
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 5: a couple we had some bad injuries that hurt us,

894
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: and then we fell off off towards the end, and

895
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 5: we weren't the same defense in the postseason. I think

896
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 5: as we were in the regular season.

897
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: Man, I saw that ninety nine defense up close and personal.

898
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: It was pretty damn nasty. There's no question about that. Okay,

899
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: Seth comes to Houston two thousand and two. We all

900
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: know about that Night one victory. We asked Seth about it.

901
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: We got a surprising response. Stay tuned for that right

902
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: here in Texans All Access. We're going fall a slave

903
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: this money edition this Memorial Day at issue of Texans

904
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: All Access. I am John Harris footballanalist, sideline reporter, and

905
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: we are diving deep with our guys Seth Pain. We

906
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: had a really fun discussion and we've gotten to that

907
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: point where Seth has now joined the Texans, and so

908
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: we asked him what was the coolest thing about the

909
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: expansion Draft.

910
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 5: The coolest thing about the expansion Draft and the whole

911
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 5: experience was, honestly, the draft itself was they did it

912
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 5: like a miniature Madison Square garden and you know, people

913
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 5: who are watching and that might have been you know,

914
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 5: some of some of you guys were there. It was

915
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 5: kind of mind blowing because there were so many parts

916
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 5: of that whole experience, and then being in the city

917
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 5: that first week where it felt like, oh wow, this

918
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 5: is this is a big city, like and this is

919
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 5: a different this is there There are a lot of,

920
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: like in a good way, kind of cliche Texas moments

921
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 5: of where like they just do things bigger in Texas.

922
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 5: And I still didn't know anything about Houston and how

923
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 5: unique it is within Texas and everything, but I felt like,

924
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: holy crap, this is this is this is gonna be different,

925
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 5: and it's gonna be big, and it's gonna be fun,

926
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: and that whole experience that you're playing with the veterans

927
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: that we had on that defense, I learned a lot

928
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 5: from Jamie Sharper and Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman and

929
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 5: all those guys. We had so many really good veteran

930
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: defensive players that it was that side of it. Despite

931
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 5: not having success with a win loss record, you know,

932
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 5: when we were here, I really just I felt like

933
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 5: I really learned learned a lot about football from that

934
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 5: whole environment. It was. It was a really good group

935
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: of guys.

936
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: My final, our final. I guess at this point, what

937
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: is your memory, like, how do you classify and categorize

938
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: the Cowboy game September eight, two thousand and two. I mean,

939
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: you have played in an AFC championship game. You had

940
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: that phenomenal run with the Jags in ninety nine. I

941
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: guess you can always you can always play an AFC

942
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: Championship game, which is easier said than done, we know,

943
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: but there's only one first game of the franchise history

944
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: that you can participate in.

945
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 4: But you tell me, how do you regard that?

946
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 5: Now? I just you know i'd keep it in that

947
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 5: same theme of man, this is just big. And I

948
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: had played in Jacksonville for five years, but that's a

949
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 5: different stadium, different city, different environment, and I had just

950
00:44:53,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: never been part of that much combined and focused energy

951
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 5: from the fans down onto the field. And there was

952
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 5: that moment there at the end of the game when

953
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 5: we got the safety and ended up, you know, stealing

954
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 5: the game. It just I it was almost like an

955
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 5: out of body experience. I don't remember anything about that

956
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 5: place specifically because I was so tired, and I just

957
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: remember having the feeling of almost like the energy permeating

958
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: my body because it was so loud, and I was

959
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 5: completely in that unconscious mode when you're tired and you're

960
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 5: just going on instinct and training and everything, and it

961
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: just it felt like the energy is seeping into you

962
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 5: and you're getting like almost pushed along by the noise

963
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: and the environment and everything. It was just it was

964
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 5: it was one of the Honestly, it was one of

965
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: the most unique experiences of my life. It was really

966
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 5: It's one of the things. I'm fifty years old, I've

967
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 5: been honest ear with fifty years, and I don't I've

968
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 5: never experienced anything like that, and I never will again.

969
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 5: It was just amazing.

970
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: I want to play that for the team. Yeah, the

971
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: night before they host the AFC Championship game. You know

972
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: what I mean that.

973
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: But the way you just said that is so beautiful.

974
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: You know, I'm up in the booth that night and

975
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: I've I just called the national championship game at the

976
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: University of Miami and the Rose Bowl. That was my

977
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: last football accounted that I called. And then the next

978
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: one is this and there's just nothing like it. There's

979
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: nothing like that night.

980
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 4: So that was beautiful, Seth.

981
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 5: It was really really cool, and it's cool that people

982
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: remember it, you know this many years later. It's really

983
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 5: it's it's it's cool to be part of it. It's

984
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 5: a very unique. It's one of those things where you're

985
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 5: outside of Houston you just wouldn't get it because, okay,

986
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: what it's a regular season game and uh what's what's

987
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: it ultimately matter at the end of the year. It

988
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: was just it was very very unique.

989
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 3: It was really cool, larger than life and so are you, Seth.

990
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being with us, and we got

991
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: to do this again because I have like fifty other

992
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: questions so many we get to talk about some of

993
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: the great stories of the early days, like guys like

994
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: guys who came along and went like Steve Foley, you

995
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: know people.

996
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, fully strong arm in the battle Red Jerseys on off,

997
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 5: Bob mcnare at the end of that.

998
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: Game, Oh my god, two thousand and three.

999
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 5: Played in battle Red and we won the game and

1000
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 5: Steve fully grabs mister mcnaarry. He's like, we get to

1001
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: keep the jerseys.

1002
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, a win over the Carolina Panthers two

1003
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: thousand and three. Never forget it, all right, Seth, thanks

1004
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: a lot, Thank you.

1005
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 5: No, and I know you're is. One of the first

1006
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 5: lessons you taught me, Mark, is that you have forty questions.

1007
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 5: You want to have forty questions going to an interview,

1008
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: and then the really good ones you only get the

1009
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: three of them.

1010
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 4: That's right, that's true. That's true.

1011
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: That means it's a good interview.

1012
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: That's that's good. But you're the best.

1013
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: Thanks man, Thanks guys, No, cap set is the best man.

1014
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Really appreciate him joining us and all of you for listening.

1015
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: That was a great listen. Wanted you to hear that again.

1016
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: Great stuff. OTAs this week will be covering all we

1017
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: got you covered right here on Texans All Access. Well

1018
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: see tomorrow buddy, and as always, go Texans