Speaker 1: We are heading back to New York, and it's not
Speaker 1: all fun and games. In this episode, the ultimate fight
Speaker 1: goes down between myself and none other than Ramona, not
Speaker 1: the first time and probably not the last time on
Speaker 1: our off camera, and I'm not afraid to mention it all
Speaker 1: a line that I never even knew that I had
Speaker 1: said until I watched it. Pretty much with everybody else.
Speaker 1: Stand up comedian Leanne Morgan joins me to recap this
Speaker 1: wild and crazy episode. This is Real Housewives of New
Speaker 1: York Season nine, Episode ten, Blackout and get Out. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen the show before?
Speaker 2: Oh, lor Yeah, I used to watch all of them,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I've been through. I've lived everything you've ever
Speaker 2: been through, much Darling. Also, I want to tell you
Speaker 2: that I was with race Weatherspoond yesterday. I'm shooting a
Speaker 2: movie with her. Oh wow, And she saying, and Will
Speaker 2: Ferrell And she said, I told her I was doing
Speaker 2: this today, and she said, Bethany Frankel is the normal
Speaker 2: Ray of business deals. And we were sitting around with
Speaker 2: a bunch of producers and wonderful actors and all that
Speaker 2: we were rehearsing, and she said, she's the normal Ray.
Speaker 2: I mean remember guys, because they were wanting thirty percent
Speaker 2: of her deals or something with Ronvo and she said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk away. She said she's the normal ray.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I've got to tell Bethany. Yes, I
Speaker 2: mean you know, Reese is a bad Mamma Jama.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and thank you for telling me that.
Speaker 2: Wow, it was a wonderful compliment.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's beyond I think it's an understandment. All right,
Speaker 1: So let's get into this smart stupidity. So you watched
Speaker 1: the episode which was probably some escapism, and I literally
Speaker 1: I was in it, but I only saw it once,
Speaker 1: so it's like watching it for me too, And it's
Speaker 1: weird when I watch, I'm like watching these other people.
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? Like it doesn't even Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm bad, honey, And I felt the whole time. I thought,
Speaker 2: I wish I could she could sit in my life
Speaker 2: and I could rock her me.
Speaker 1: Do you do you an why I left?
Speaker 2: He is a lot. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: But isn't it all so? Like it's so funny because
Speaker 1: so many smart people watch the show, smart successful people
Speaker 1: watch the show and like to watch it because I don't.
Speaker 1: And it's escapism. But I don't think they realize that
Speaker 1: those are real women that are engaging in that, like
Speaker 1: it's these characters, because a lot of actresses, you know,
Speaker 1: becausey Tigan's a fan and you hear like Catherine Paul's
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are fans of these shows,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're like watching it like it's
Speaker 1: a scripted show characters, but these are real people. And
Speaker 1: so when you're sitting there, do you ever think because
Speaker 1: I think, like I was broke when I started, so
Speaker 1: I know why I did it, but I wonder why
Speaker 1: the hell would anyone do this? Like you have these
Speaker 1: things that go on from fraud and infidelity and stealing
Speaker 1: and lying, and you know that it wouldn't be happening
Speaker 1: if it wasn't exacerbated on television, like these conflicts, the
Speaker 1: woman who went to jail, like Teresa who had that
Speaker 1: situation going on with her with tax evasion, Like why
Speaker 1: would people subject themselves to this fame and money? Right?
Speaker 2: I guess so, and I guess with all why it
Speaker 2: comes problems because I send and think about Kim zosiac
Speaker 2: in Kroey little Krowey playing for the Atlanta Falcons, and
Speaker 2: then that ends you know, but then you got to
Speaker 2: keep that facade up against of like money and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But she had the facade going in with all the
Speaker 1: bracelets and big Papa, and I think that part of her,
Speaker 1: and you know, he wasn't like a player making fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. I think they had to kind of.
Speaker 1: I think what happens with a lot of Bravo people
Speaker 1: is they think they're gonna get on the show, and
Speaker 1: the show is going to make them so much money,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna come up with Skinny Girl and sell
Speaker 1: it for all this money and that will keep them going.
Speaker 1: And I remember p K saying to me out to
Speaker 1: dinner at Chipriani dorit did the show because of you.
Speaker 1: I want for her what happened with you. So then
Speaker 1: they're spending all this money. She's dripping in Chanelle and
Speaker 1: Fendi and Gucci and the ABC d efgs of letter logos,
Speaker 1: And you're spending all that money because you think it's
Speaker 1: going to come back, and it does, but it's a
Speaker 1: circular reference, like you're just spending because you think that
Speaker 1: that's going to be relevant and people are gonna give
Speaker 1: you the attention, and you're gonna get you know, it's
Speaker 1: fool's gold in a way.
Speaker 2: I think so too. And see, I'm watched from the beginning,
Speaker 2: and I started watching y'all all of y'all years ago,
Speaker 2: and I think, I look, I'm fifty seven now, and
Speaker 2: my children are grown, I've got a grand baby and
Speaker 2: another one do any minute. And I think it was
Speaker 2: a wonderful time for me to have y'all because my
Speaker 2: children were going off to college and leaving and it
Speaker 2: and it threw me for a loaf. And I, as
Speaker 2: we say in the South, I took to the band
Speaker 2: and I would watch y'all and it was escapism for me.
Speaker 2: But I remember, I look back on the episodes and
Speaker 2: like Atlanta and everybody, you know, people didn't have good hair,
Speaker 2: and people's houses, you know, it looked like somebody was
Speaker 2: in an apartment that didn't have like Vanderpump rules, which
Speaker 2: that's the whole other thing. I mean, we could go
Speaker 2: into that, but that's not the same thing as the housewives.
Speaker 2: But everybody was trying to you know, you could tell
Speaker 2: a year after year trying to keep up and had
Speaker 2: to get hair and makeup and do all that. And
Speaker 2: everybody started looking better but I was watching this episode
Speaker 2: that we're on here to talk about, and I thought,
Speaker 2: I just now that this has happened for me. And
Speaker 2: I've been a comedian for over twenty ten years, but
Speaker 2: it's just taken off from me in twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 2: I just think about being so exhausted and you were
Speaker 2: talking to your assistant and you you were on the
Speaker 2: bay and going, you know, basically, they're killing me. And
Speaker 2: then so I understand my end, and I also understand
Speaker 2: how all those women started hate knowing you because you
Speaker 2: were you wrote you, You pumped out of that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Out of all those people who were you know, dynamic
Speaker 2: and beautiful and all that, you were the star and
Speaker 2: then you started You got the dal with skinny girl
Speaker 2: and old man and now I look at Ramona bug
Speaker 2: God yelling at you on.
Speaker 1: Out and it's never about it, it's about and it
Speaker 1: was very Here's the thing, though, I'll say this is
Speaker 1: interesting because I have not told this. Louren Michaels was
Speaker 1: not talking about me, but he once I had dinner
Speaker 1: with him, and he said, you have He was talking
Speaker 1: about one of the people on Saturday Air Live and
Speaker 1: he said, you have to make an exit to make
Speaker 1: an entrance. So I left, and I've always gone with
Speaker 1: my gut. I left the Housewives after three seasons. Now,
Speaker 1: if you think some of these girls have been off
Speaker 1: for fourteen seasons a long time, three seas, this is
Speaker 1: nothing like. So I left after three seasons of a
Speaker 1: show when I was popping off and I was successful,
Speaker 1: and I left because I didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: I felt that I had my reasons, I had my gut.
Speaker 1: I felt that I was having a child and it
Speaker 1: just wasn't where I wanted to be. And I now
Speaker 1: realized the courage and that decision because I walked away
Speaker 1: from something that went off on to be very successful,
Speaker 1: and I walked away and I left for three seasons,
Speaker 1: and whether it's luck or skill or whatever divine intervention,
Speaker 1: the show went from I think it was three million
Speaker 1: viewers when I left, and it went down to one
Speaker 1: point six and they really wanted me back. And now
Speaker 1: the other girls were getting just incremental raises, small, little nothing,
Speaker 1: few percentage raises. And I left and Andy Cohen, I
Speaker 1: wanted to pitch him another show. I was never going
Speaker 1: back to Housewise. I thought it was disgusting and toxic
Speaker 1: and I was wanted to pitch another show. I forgot
Speaker 1: what it was, and he said, well, I have something
Speaker 1: to pitch you. And he came over and he pitched me,
Speaker 1: and I said, I said, I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: a number, and I'm not going to negotiate with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a number and you're gonna come
Speaker 1: back and you're gonna give it to me or you're not.
Speaker 1: And that's how I'll go back. Now, at that point,
Speaker 1: I had leverage. There were other times you don't have leverage,
Speaker 1: like seasons later when they've got big shows and you know,
Speaker 1: Jersey and Beverly Hills and in Atlanta. That's not when
Speaker 1: you're going for your number. But New York was not
Speaker 1: doing well with the Carol Kristen and Heather Era, and
Speaker 1: I gave him the number. Gave him the number. And
Speaker 1: also I had a boyfriend who wouldn't be on camera.
Speaker 1: I had a child who wouldn't be on camera, and
Speaker 1: a brutal divorce, and I named all my terms. I
Speaker 1: made sure you do that when you're doing a contract,
Speaker 1: you don't think of it later because they forget. It's
Speaker 1: like this is the dating phase. Now. They wanted to
Speaker 1: sleep with me. Once we start sleeping together, they'll be
Speaker 1: sick of me. So when we were in the dating
Speaker 1: phase and I asked for that massive number, it was
Speaker 1: the highest house or if paid in history at the time,
Speaker 1: and even now it would be a lot. These women
Speaker 1: don't get paid that because I was incrementally raising each
Speaker 1: year too. So I started off with such a big number.
Speaker 1: When I came back and it was millions, it came
Speaker 1: to be millions. And when I made that deal, I
Speaker 1: carved everything out. I will not work when I have
Speaker 1: my daughter. I will not do this. I will do this.
Speaker 1: I would go to trips and it'd be the last
Speaker 1: one there. I'd go a day late and I'd come
Speaker 1: home a day early, but I would give my soul.
Speaker 1: I would be there. And that was like those Miami
Speaker 1: episodes would what about tom I would be torched. I
Speaker 1: would torch the joint, pick up every crumb, make sure
Speaker 1: I blew it up, even to the point where Lisa
Speaker 1: Shan and the producer didn't use a whole day after
Speaker 1: I left. She's like, that stuff is unusable. You have
Speaker 1: to please come. And they'd begging me to come early,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, don't worry. I'll light it up
Speaker 1: when I'm there, and I always brought it and I
Speaker 1: always delivered. So that was me coming back on my
Speaker 1: terms and always like making these decisions playing chess, not
Speaker 1: just checkers, even in that stupid situation, never sharing everything
Speaker 1: I was doing with everybody else, never thinking that we
Speaker 1: were all kombah yah an ensemble cast. It was cutthroat,
Speaker 1: and everybody was jealous of everybody, and everybody on Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills is jealous of everybody else. You can hold hands
Speaker 1: and pretend your friends because you fucking got to you're
Speaker 1: on the war zone field, but they it's bullshit and
Speaker 1: you don't find out what's real until everybody's off the show.
Speaker 1: That's when you see what really goes on.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Ben name, When I think about seeing
Speaker 2: I feel like when you're talking about all that conflict
Speaker 2: and blowing up and you got to blow up and everybody.
Speaker 2: And first, let me say this, you're very funny, and
Speaker 2: I know people have told you that, but not only
Speaker 2: do you know I guess how to go in and
Speaker 2: blow up, but Miami Trim, but you're very witty and
Speaker 2: very funny, and as a comedian who's very jaded. We
Speaker 2: get jaded. We're around a bunch of funny people, and
Speaker 2: then everybody tries to be funny. And yes, you know
Speaker 2: you can use it in your act and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I've got to give it to you.
Speaker 2: You've always tickled me, and you've always had Even watching
Speaker 2: this episode, I thought she is so funny, just like you,
Speaker 2: just and and I can't compete, but anyway, and I
Speaker 2: think Dorinda. I thought Derinda, she and Sonya is funny
Speaker 2: in her.
Speaker 1: You know, wacky great, yeah, yes, right, but.
Speaker 2: You are very, very funny.
Speaker 1: And that's the highest compliment. That's literally the highest compliment
Speaker 1: to me because I've always wanted to be a stand
Speaker 1: up comedian. I did it one night at New York
Speaker 1: Comedy Club. Secretly, everyone's phones were taken away. I have
Speaker 1: the recording, and I actually was I was actually like
Speaker 1: on a one to ten of like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know Sebastian Mona Skalko or Jerry Seinfeld being a ten.
Speaker 1: Let's say, on a one to ten, I was a
Speaker 1: good like six point seventy five like I was. I
Speaker 1: was a seven. I was okay like I but I
Speaker 1: didn't get fed what people get fed from it. It
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't get the bug. I wanted to know
Speaker 1: that I could do it in the same way that
Speaker 1: I would love to know that I could like land
Speaker 1: a look at the met Galon that Anna Wintour would
Speaker 1: think like landed it, not like Rihanna crazy, but that
Speaker 1: like I could get up there, not fall I have
Speaker 1: the right hair, make up, land to look like. I
Speaker 1: would just want to know that I could do it,
Speaker 1: not to go there, not to be there. I don't
Speaker 1: want to live, you know. But I couldn't do what
Speaker 1: you do on the road like that. I couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I can dip it and dip out, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: do the g Maybe I could. I did it for years,
Speaker 1: but that's a different grind. Yeah, grind really But.
Speaker 2: You I understand you didn't get the bug and you
Speaker 2: and you had to have that bug to want to
Speaker 2: do this because it's crazy and you did put your
Speaker 2: heart out and you don't know what people are going
Speaker 2: to do it and again your.
Speaker 1: Head with the other comedian. I would think, I don't
Speaker 1: mind my relationship with the audience. I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: I would think getting fucked up with the other comedians
Speaker 1: and also what's weird to me is that comedians do
Speaker 1: and act. And I've gone with that guy, that French
Speaker 1: guy who's find out, Jerry Seinfeld. I was with him
Speaker 1: one night and I saw him go upstairs to the comedy
Speaker 1: seller or downstairs to the comedy cell upstairs stairs next
Speaker 1: door this but and it's the same act. And to
Speaker 1: me that I know, that's the art of the beast.
Speaker 1: That feels fraudulent to me. I would be so self
Speaker 1: conscious in front of people that saw me say the
Speaker 1: same thing three times in a row. And I'll see
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer on a talk show saying the same joke
Speaker 1: that she said up on the stage, and it's awkward
Speaker 1: to me. I like everything to be completely fresh.
Speaker 2: And I was listening to your podcast with Tory Spelling
Speaker 2: and loved it. And also Margaret Choe.
Speaker 1: Oh, Margaret Choe is very smart. I had a lot
Speaker 1: against a lot. I don't know that much about her.
Speaker 1: I've knowed she's finding She was an excellent guest. So
Speaker 1: all right, so let's get And that was my fiancee, Paul,
Speaker 1: who loves comedy too. He was like, you should have
Speaker 1: comedians on and I love this idea. It's been great.
Speaker 1: There was one guy, Jay Farrow, never seen it, but
Speaker 1: he put his heart into like analyzing it, and I
Speaker 1: loved having him on. It was really and I love listen.
Speaker 1: I've always had been enamored with comedians, so I always
Speaker 1: used to go to the comedy clubs when John Stewart
Speaker 1: was starting out and Alan Havy and like, I just
Speaker 1: have always had a relationship with that world. And I
Speaker 1: have a respect from that world that I find is
Speaker 1: like the highest respect. When I went to do comedy
Speaker 1: I call, I texted Ellen and Chris Rock and Kathy
Speaker 1: Griffin and Bridget Ever and everyone texting me by Kevin
Speaker 1: Neil and had a twenty minute conversation. The point I'm
Speaker 1: making is I have a simpatico with comedians and I
Speaker 1: love it so and I'm proud of that that I
Speaker 1: have like a good respect from them. So that makes
Speaker 1: me happy. Okay, let's get into the show. So we're
Speaker 1: in the Berkshires and now I remember that scene, and
Speaker 1: I remember sitting at a restaurant with Ramona and her
Speaker 1: like people come in with the smoking guns. She's gonna
Speaker 1: come in and say to me all these things and
Speaker 1: ask me if it's been hard for my daughter. That
Speaker 1: was the previous episode that like, I you know, it
Speaker 1: was top us in a waterbed in a movie thirty
Speaker 1: years ago, like some teen cheeseball movie when I was
Speaker 1: like on a roof. They asked if we would go
Speaker 1: sunbathing and if I would take our top off, and like,
Speaker 1: Ramona is bringing us up and it's such a bad
Speaker 1: like you gotta land of these things. My daughter at
Speaker 1: the time was six years old, so it was like
Speaker 1: she wanted to find this was her big inn to
Speaker 1: say something to me like, was my daughter? Are they
Speaker 1: asking my daughter? Are kids talking about my daughter to
Speaker 1: my daughter? About my antics? Like so I said something
Speaker 1: like yeah, Diane Sawyer showed up at the schoolyard to
Speaker 1: so this is the aftermath of that. So now Ramona
Speaker 1: we're in the Berkshires and I just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just can't stand her and I just don't She
Speaker 1: took two dresses from my talk show. She's a disaster.
Speaker 1: It's good television and it's good sparring, but like she's
Speaker 1: coming in and she's got this whole monologue about my
Speaker 1: life that she's obviously rehearsed, and the mistake that people
Speaker 1: make in life and in these shows, is taking the
Speaker 1: bait like taking it seriously and talking to her about
Speaker 1: it is if I actually give a shit instead of
Speaker 1: you know, humor and mention it all fine, mention it all,
Speaker 1: like all these things in the moment. It seemed such
Speaker 1: a big deal to me that she was saying these
Speaker 1: things because there's a camera there and it's on national television.
Speaker 1: What's everyone going to think? But like a comedian, living
Speaker 1: in the moment, being true to the moment is just
Speaker 1: how I handled it, just how I responded.
Speaker 2: M And I thought, I just thought, oh no, Ramona, no, no, no, Ramona,
Speaker 2: And she looked unhinged, and I thought, but it all
Speaker 2: came back to you went to a private school, you
Speaker 2: had a car. It all, you know, I guess was
Speaker 2: her being an insecure about where she came from and
Speaker 2: that you have been this, you've become this huge success
Speaker 2: that she wanted to be and then Mario left her.
Speaker 1: It's funny because yeah, well she always wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of people live in the past and
Speaker 1: live in their story, so she always wanted to be like,
Speaker 1: I made a million dollars by thirty, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I invented the skinny Margarita. Great, well, now what who
Speaker 1: cares young? You know, TikTokers don't fucking know that they're
Speaker 1: ordering it everywhere they go. They don't know I invented it.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty three. So she like because of being
Speaker 1: in that fast pace. I think she wanted to be
Speaker 1: the business person and it always bothered her, and she
Speaker 1: wants like some sort of extra credit points or like
Speaker 1: to be graded on a curve when a lot of
Speaker 1: people are stuck in their story and talking about like
Speaker 1: what they didn't get, and you got to be in
Speaker 1: the present, like, you know, if you're talking about what
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing and thinking about your story, you're
Speaker 1: not at the top of your game moving forward quickly.
Speaker 1: You're not playing chess, right, And she you know. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing about the show too, though, that really
Speaker 1: always you have to always know someone's always winning and
Speaker 1: someone's always losing, and the person who can land the
Speaker 1: takedown is winning. Because if she landed that scene, depending
Speaker 1: upon how I reacted. And I don't think this is
Speaker 1: just about reality television. This is about women in life.
Speaker 1: If someone really gets to you and you take the
Speaker 1: bait and you go lower than they do, then you're
Speaker 1: the one who's gone the lowest, like no one remembers
Speaker 1: the person who started the thing. It's how you handle
Speaker 1: yourself in business in these situations, and I feel that
Speaker 1: that's a massive, massive part of this chessboard. How you
Speaker 1: handle it. How do you, as a comedian handled yourself
Speaker 1: when you're fucking bombing? Are you true to the moment?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna start saying, oh my god, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean that. Hey, g I gus start like, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you handle when you're bombing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You go, Well, you have to know in your heart,
Speaker 2: And I know in my mind after all these years,
Speaker 2: I know this is funny. I know this kills every
Speaker 2: night and I'm doing what I do and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Going it's not funny that night, or your tone is off,
Speaker 1: or your mood is off, or their mood is off,
Speaker 1: or just like, it's what is going on?
Speaker 2: It's what is going on? Yes, and I've had I'm
Speaker 2: just something happened in the last year where it was
Speaker 2: I was so excited about it. It was very famous people
Speaker 2: in New York, and I thought I'm gonna kill I mean,
Speaker 2: I was already on a hundred city tour a Big
Speaker 2: Panty Tour. I'd sold the Netflix special and I'd been
Speaker 2: doing this material every night, and I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: there are middle aged women. They're gonna love me. They're
Speaker 2: going through the same thing I'm going through it. And
Speaker 2: I did this show and there were there were probably
Speaker 2: about twenty people there and half of them. I didn't
Speaker 2: bomb completely, but it was not good and that and
Speaker 2: I could just you know, I was getting some laughs,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like I thought it was gonna be anyway.
Speaker 2: The people that were just like normal everyday people were laughing.
Speaker 2: The very very wealthy did not, and I and I
Speaker 2: was crushed over it, but I and I kept going.
Speaker 2: And then in the in the hotel room, I went
Speaker 2: over in my head, comedians were we're an odd bunch
Speaker 2: and if and if somebody, if there's one person doing
Speaker 2: this with their arms folded in a that's all we
Speaker 2: And I've heard Jerry Seinfeld say that it will kill
Speaker 2: him and he will go over in his mind. I
Speaker 2: do that too. And then I talk to a good
Speaker 2: friend of mine who deals with a lot of wealthy
Speaker 2: women in Nashville, and he said, Lene, I mean, think
Speaker 2: about it. These women did not raise their own children.
Speaker 2: These women have house managers. These women don't we're talking
Speaker 2: about yeah, and then I mean and it made me
Speaker 2: feel better because I thought I've gotten over it and
Speaker 2: I would have been fine because I'm you know, I've
Speaker 2: been doing this a long time and I'm professional, but
Speaker 2: at the but it does it hurts you and you
Speaker 2: but I thought, Okay, they don't. They don't understand what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I did talk about every day kind
Speaker 2: of you know, mom stuff, menopause. Oh, I'm a grandmother.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't want to even know their grandparents.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 1: Yah yah, yeah. Well the thing is you can't please everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, So Ramona and it's about her and she's
Speaker 1: at a different age. And you know, I have developed
Speaker 1: a nostalgia for the show that when I wasn't in it,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I was ever there now, how I
Speaker 1: would handle things. Definitely be interesting to say. We won't
Speaker 1: see it, but you know, she says, so, she says,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Are you kidding? I counted she
Speaker 1: said it, You're kidding me four to five times. And
Speaker 1: I think Ramona is a great reality character because she
Speaker 1: always brings the drama, but she doesn't kill the party,
Speaker 1: and she's absolutely nuts. So and I remember she's saying
Speaker 1: like she's annoyed that I dated wealthy men. And she's annoyed.
Speaker 1: She said, but by the way, the one thing that
Speaker 1: no one has ever accused me of is getting anywhere
Speaker 1: by anything but hard work. I work harder than anyone
Speaker 1: around me, anyone on my on my team, anyone I
Speaker 1: I that's like such a good confident thing that I
Speaker 1: can have that I work so hard always. I can't.
Speaker 1: It's just who I am. It's what I know. So
Speaker 1: it's a great feeling when no one could ever take
Speaker 1: that away from work luck, you know. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: you could say the same. Working like a dog on
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, working like a don't you know you can? I know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can outwork. It's no killing Bethony Lord.
Speaker 1: So so she says, So here's the behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of these shows. So I'm going to room alone with her,
Speaker 1: And this is what happened years ago with Kelly, with
Speaker 1: the I'm up here, you're down here, you know, the
Speaker 1: cats scene. So now I'm gonna room alone with Ramona
Speaker 1: and you're drinking alcohol at the house and like you've
Speaker 1: got camera guys and they're you know, they're the changing
Speaker 1: of the guard. They're not going to say anything, and
Speaker 1: the producers aren't going to say anything because every producer
Speaker 1: tells every uh character, they did great, it went well.
Speaker 1: They nod, You're perfect, you did everything right. Good for you,
Speaker 1: they nod. And the person's like, it wasn't that bad,
Speaker 1: was it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't bad at all. Like right, and you
Speaker 1: never know where you are. You have vertigo at all
Speaker 1: times because your mind is playing tricks on you, so
Speaker 1: you don't walk out. When I walked out of the
Speaker 1: Kelly thing, I have a I'm very self aware, so
Speaker 1: I thought I was kind of tire, and I walked out,
Speaker 1: and the producer said to me, quote unquote, in the car,
Speaker 1: your publicist would be very proud right now. So I
Speaker 1: thought I had done something, but who knows what the
Speaker 1: hell they told her? And I thought, but you second
Speaker 1: guessed yourself, and you just don't know what's coming out
Speaker 1: of the oven. The edit could be different than you thought.
Speaker 1: So in this situation, I didn't even see the humor
Speaker 1: in it. I was probably panicked inside by the things
Speaker 1: she was saying, and it felt like she had come
Speaker 1: and attacked me. And I remember calling Andy Cohen, and
Speaker 1: I remember calling everyone and not getting the reaction that
Speaker 1: I wanted from them, like not them saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's never been a trashing like this in the Housewives history,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And they give you no like Andy,
Speaker 1: No one gave me any cards like it was like
Speaker 1: they acted like it was just like a normal scene.
Speaker 1: Because to them, they're watching that hundreds of these scenes
Speaker 1: and it's all blending and they don't care because there
Speaker 1: are no stakes for them. So I remember, And then
Speaker 1: you have to wait for this fucking thing to go
Speaker 1: in the oven be baked, and then you watch it
Speaker 1: so degrading, You watch it four days before everybody else,
Speaker 1: so you have no new knowledge. You don't know how
Speaker 1: this thing came out. And when I it, I you know,
Speaker 1: things get taken out or added it down, and it
Speaker 1: seemed bad, but it seemed way worse than the moment
Speaker 1: because I was You're just so paranoid about what everyone's
Speaker 1: going to see and what she said about me, And
Speaker 1: then everybody finds this mention at all, thing that they
Speaker 1: think is hilarious that I didn't even think it's just me.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that was funny. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't know what this cake is coming out. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that there was a funny moment in there.
Speaker 1: Mentioned all. I remember saying, mention it all you're just
Speaker 1: surviving m hm.
Speaker 2: Oh, and you were quick on your feet. And I
Speaker 2: thought the whole time, I thought, hew in the world
Speaker 2: has she said in this? Because I started thinking about
Speaker 2: and this is And I may not have everything right
Speaker 2: because it's been a while that years ago when you
Speaker 2: and Jail fell out, but I remember the pain. I
Speaker 2: had a breakup with a girlfriend like that, and I
Speaker 2: remember Jill being heard over you and you heard and
Speaker 2: then Bobby and all that. All that's going on while Ramona,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know. I'm not probably being loasted.
Speaker 2: I just I just think, how did you go through
Speaker 2: that benthony with the baby, with the ex husband. I
Speaker 2: just look at all that what was happening. And I
Speaker 2: know now I'm getting personal and I don't maintain, but
Speaker 2: I just watched it and I thought, how did that
Speaker 2: little thing make it through that? Well?
Speaker 1: You had you, but it was way better. Well it
Speaker 1: was way better than because it was so real and
Speaker 1: there was no hair and makeup, and you didn't even
Speaker 1: know what show you were on because it was called
Speaker 1: Manhattan Moms till they changed it, and you were just
Speaker 1: doing something new in a new genre. You didn't walk
Speaker 1: in with God with the wind dresses of Goldline May
Speaker 1: and the Reunion. You wore some shitty dress in your closet,
Speaker 1: and it was so authentic. You didn't have glam squads,
Speaker 1: you didn't have glam for the interviews. You wore some
Speaker 1: shitty cardigan and did in your own house, so there
Speaker 1: was an authenticity to it. I was also I had
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars to my name walking into the first
Speaker 1: season where I got paid two hundred and fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: like it was a gig. It was a job. You know,
Speaker 1: you weren't even really famous yet, like people didn't really
Speaker 1: It was very niche, and we were creating this genre
Speaker 1: that would go on for decades, and creating, you know,
Speaker 1: making a millionaire out of Andy Cohen, who started off
Speaker 1: as an executive, and you know, it just was a
Speaker 1: whole different thing. And my skinny girl thing shook the
Speaker 1: core of the whole thing. It shook the core. But
Speaker 1: I knew that that was going to happen. I had
Speaker 1: this sort of plan and it's been an interesting ride.
Speaker 1: And in that scene with Ramona and also she had
Speaker 1: previously on the Brooklyn Bridge decimated me in my life
Speaker 1: and said, terrible thing. She's got a mean streak and
Speaker 1: she has to like take you down because taking you
Speaker 1: down brings her up. And she's always had it for me.
Speaker 1: She and Luanne in particular, have always had it for me.
Speaker 1: And Jill was just playing the zero sum game. She
Speaker 1: was feeling herself. She was drinking her fame, she was
Speaker 1: drinking the kool aid. And during the summer, something happened
Speaker 1: in an article and I, you know, I was trying
Speaker 1: to not tell her every single thing I was doing
Speaker 1: because I got a co host gig on a talk
Speaker 1: show and she called them up and said I'm better
Speaker 1: than her, and like she was competing a little bit
Speaker 1: quietly competing, but also my friend, And this is what's
Speaker 1: happening to these women. And the reason I know that
Speaker 1: is that I've spoken to people from Beverly Hills and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they invited me to go to this country,
Speaker 1: and no one else got that, and they wanted only me,
Speaker 1: like everybody's competing, it's women in a fucking pitbull cage.
Speaker 1: So with Jill, we came back and she thought she
Speaker 1: had a smoking gun, so she thought she was going
Speaker 1: to say to me, you didn't call Bobby when he
Speaker 1: had cancer in the beginning of a scene of a season,
Speaker 1: and that she was going to take me down because
Speaker 1: it's a zero sum game and someone's got to get
Speaker 1: killed and someone's got to be winning. I'm just pretty
Speaker 1: fucking fast. And as Andy saw on that crazy reunion,
Speaker 1: when everyone was hating me, when Carol was after me,
Speaker 1: when Derinda was after me, when Mamona was after me,
Speaker 1: when Luam would have been my only ally, but I
Speaker 1: made them let her stay home because she had had
Speaker 1: her whole crazy intervention, and I took them on by myself,
Speaker 1: like a sniper. I just sat there and won at
Speaker 1: a time, I took him on, and you better get
Speaker 1: up really early in the morning to try to take
Speaker 1: my ass down. These women never had a shot, but
Speaker 1: they kept trying, and I give them credit. So Ramona, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm talking so much. I never talked as much. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just remembering things. So Ramona came in
Speaker 1: to take me down and afterwards, when I was calling everybody,
Speaker 1: I thought a tree fell, but no one heard it,
Speaker 1: Like did that just happen? Because you could be the
Speaker 1: one that took the other, but you could be the
Speaker 1: one that I could have attacked her. I don't you
Speaker 1: don't remember? You blacked out? You black out? So I
Speaker 1: like now watching Ramona recant the story to everyone that
Speaker 1: was my favorite that I attacked her.
Speaker 2: Oh my lord, okay, And I I can't hel help
Speaker 2: Anthony because I'm feel sorry for Ramona because I think,
Speaker 2: God love, she had no chance once so ever, and
Speaker 2: it just sounded so penniful. Is she okay? Nihil? Is
Speaker 2: she okay? Does anybody know? I just looked through this
Speaker 2: whole episode and I just thought she was unhinged, bug
Speaker 2: one unhinged. Could not even I mean, it didn't even
Speaker 2: make sensese what she was saying.
Speaker 1: Is she okay? There's no bar for Ramona because all
Speaker 1: the things that she said have made the bar so
Speaker 1: low for what she might do or say or miss
Speaker 1: that it's a great place to be in because you
Speaker 1: people laugh at it. It's like your uncle that, like
Speaker 1: you know, says the most off colored joke at a
Speaker 1: lunch or a family party or the crazy aunt, like
Speaker 1: there's not much she can't get away with because she
Speaker 1: has not painted herself into the perfect corner. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of great for her, like Luamne was a
Speaker 1: darling and the the couges and it's appropriate, but Ramona
Speaker 1: never said, well, she always acts like she's perfect. But
Speaker 1: it just she just started off with such craziness the
Speaker 1: very beginning that it doesn't matter what she does till now.
Speaker 1: So and she's a great television character. And when I
Speaker 1: left the series this last time, she said the show
Speaker 1: will be better and trashed me and now calls me
Speaker 1: to be on this pocket like but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just noise. She asked me for advice
Speaker 1: all the time, forgetting all the bad things she said
Speaker 1: about me. It's it's just Ramona. So she's got revisionist history,
Speaker 1: telling everyone that you know, I attacked her. And but
Speaker 1: what I find interesting is to watch the show through
Speaker 1: the lens of someone who's done it, and you can
Speaker 1: watch Ramona spinning out on camera, like you know that
Speaker 1: she's trying to tell other people that I attacked her,
Speaker 1: but in her mind she's trying to also like apologize
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, I did have a lot
Speaker 1: to drink. Like she's talking out of both sides of
Speaker 1: her mouth. She knows she fucked up, she knows she
Speaker 1: went too far. She's not entirely sure what she said,
Speaker 1: but she's trying to convince herself and everyone else. And
Speaker 1: it's like, hmm not everyone's buying it.
Speaker 2: No, but they didn't buy it. And they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: shadd Romona, you really stepped in at this time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody agreed what Yeah, it was by d And like
Speaker 2: she couldn't pull back from it.
Speaker 1: She couldn't pull back from it. And another funny thing
Speaker 1: is when I like someone but they're not the best housewife,
Speaker 1: so you're it happened with you know, Kristen is a
Speaker 1: lovely person and she just wasn't the best housewife. You know,
Speaker 1: she's a lovely person, and Jules was sweet. Same thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like if you're a good starting player, sometimes
Speaker 1: you really just want to get the not the street whatever,
Speaker 1: the next level, the next string of players kind of
Speaker 1: out of your way because you want to play tennis with,
Speaker 1: like Federer. So like even if I don't love even
Speaker 1: if I don't love Ramona for example, Like she's a
Speaker 1: good she's a good tennis player, you know, so you
Speaker 1: want your first you want your like good tennis players,
Speaker 1: like you want your starting lineup, like you know, the
Speaker 1: Sonya is even even you know, Ramona never been Land's
Speaker 1: always like one notch down. She's always hiding something. But
Speaker 1: the mistakes that she makes make her a starting player.
Speaker 1: But so I bring all this up because Tinsley is
Speaker 1: not really a starting player. But I really like her
Speaker 1: and she's so nice, but sometimes you kind of just
Speaker 1: want to get that like fluffy cotton candy out of
Speaker 1: the way so you can like get to the meet,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when you play sports in Hosco, if
Speaker 2: you play up, you know, you play better if you
Speaker 2: play somebody that she played worse.
Speaker 1: Right, right, So it's hard because I like Tinsley a lot.
Speaker 1: I think she was, you know, a nice person to
Speaker 1: have around and she was decent. But sometimes she'd be like,
Speaker 1: well let's talk about that later, and it's not the cameras,
Speaker 1: like right, like I don't want to be here either.
Speaker 1: She just not all the time. She just she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to you know, she wants to do the Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama program, which is great because she's not a big
Speaker 1: gossip and she doesn't want to go low and she's lovely.
Speaker 1: I really like Tinsley, but like, she was not built
Speaker 1: for this. And sometimes you just don't want to be
Speaker 1: like talking to Kristin or Tinseley about something in a
Speaker 1: scene because you really want to get like you want
Speaker 1: the meat off the bone. You're not really interested in
Speaker 1: like the little side dishes the fat. So that's just
Speaker 1: I just mentioned that because I liked Tinsley a lot.
Speaker 1: I always liked her, so whatever that means.
Speaker 2: But that scene at the art gallery when you when
Speaker 2: Ramona comes up to who does she come up to
Speaker 2: to hug Leuyne or somebody, and you go, I'm leaving
Speaker 2: and you walk off, and I thought, oh lord, because
Speaker 2: when somebody has done that to me in my life,
Speaker 2: or I don't, I mean, I hadn't followed anybody like Ramona,
Speaker 2: but when when somebody just goes, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: not doing this and walks off. I could tell that
Speaker 2: when Ramona was like, oh no, you know, you just
Speaker 2: weren't playing in that, and I thought that was smart.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's I have the art of dismissal and that
Speaker 1: she doesn't like that. You know art of dismissal. And
Speaker 1: you know Ramona treats staff a certain way and doesn't
Speaker 1: treat other people's belongings with respect, which is how she
Speaker 1: stole two dresses of minor a talk show and the
Speaker 1: way that she treated Dorinda's house. She was drunk.
Speaker 2: What does she do what I couldn't remember? Did she
Speaker 2: riped something out of the wall?
Speaker 1: So it's breaking the fourth wall, but you have to
Speaker 1: because what happened was she went up to her room
Speaker 1: and you'll have these bright lights like I have them
Speaker 1: here in the podcast, these bright lights that are like
Speaker 1: rigged and taped and Durinda probably is very old painting
Speaker 1: that how she hadn't redone it yet and I'm sure she.
Speaker 1: I think she got reimbursed, which is great because she
Speaker 1: got either insurance or they paid her. It's great, like
Speaker 1: to try, there's no money someone could pay to be
Speaker 1: in my house and trash my house. Like I couldn't
Speaker 1: handle what Durnda indoors. But because with her house being
Speaker 1: a location sometimes and when Deinda, Ramona got to her
Speaker 1: room and was wasted and wanted to go to bed.
Speaker 1: She didn't think to go downstairs and tell somebody, can
Speaker 1: you take the lights? And it's not like it's a
Speaker 1: light switch, you gotta unplug it and find the plug.
Speaker 1: So instead she wanted to go to bed, and she
Speaker 1: just ripped everything off the wall. So it's stuff taped
Speaker 1: to the wall. So she just ripped all the lights
Speaker 1: down so they just get off. It'd be like, you know,
Speaker 1: just like ripping chords out. And so she trashed and
Speaker 1: which is totally believable, as much as it was believable
Speaker 1: that every person who was ever on my talk show
Speaker 1: knows she stole the dresses. It happened. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: have to. It just happened. And I think and Sonya,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's the thing about getting drunk. Sonya
Speaker 1: wore during his husband's pajamas and it's like funny but
Speaker 1: almost Yeah, it's funny, but it's like not that funny.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens when you're drinking and you know,
Speaker 1: in a show and something's gonna happen. And then there
Speaker 1: was some fake scenes in the episode, which there always are,
Speaker 1: like the made for TV producer scenes, Carol showing Tinsley
Speaker 1: the apartment down the hall. Tinsley was never going to move.
Speaker 1: Tinsley was never moving to New York because she didn't
Speaker 1: want to live in New York. She was staying in
Speaker 1: a hotel because of the show. She was staying at
Speaker 1: Sonya's because of the show. And that's like one of
Speaker 1: those fake scenes. And I know they need the filler
Speaker 1: scenes and they suck, but I never did those scenes.
Speaker 1: I don't do fake filler bullshit scenes. Like she's not
Speaker 1: moving in there. It's a co op building anyway, Like
Speaker 1: it's just not happening.
Speaker 2: I'm wondered. And when she said I can't get near
Speaker 2: my this is not where I get my blow woe out.
Speaker 2: So I'm not doing maas wow. But I love her
Speaker 2: and I think she's beautiful. Okay, little Carol, Little Carol
Speaker 2: with that man. Is she's still with me? I should
Speaker 2: have googled thes Is she still with that young girl?
Speaker 1: They're still friends, but they're not together. Sometimes maybe there
Speaker 1: are benefits. I don't know that, That's what I hear.
Speaker 2: Well, and he makes salad, you know, for he.
Speaker 1: Makes salad for her? Yeah, yeah, she she She spends
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about me and a lot
Speaker 1: of time talking about the show, and it's a long
Speaker 1: time ago for something that she really doesn't like, she
Speaker 1: also spends a lot of time talking about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now I'm with my assistance and you mentioned that
Speaker 1: I was a little ripped. I think time is so
Speaker 1: important how we spend it. And you get pulled in
Speaker 1: different directions and you say yes, and everything sounds good
Speaker 1: on a calendar, but then you really have to execute
Speaker 1: it and it's it's not the same. But I was
Speaker 1: obviously more focused on the moths. I had a moth.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a moth investigation?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I say, and I looked at your moths
Speaker 2: and I thought, are those the moths that get in
Speaker 2: my pantry? It was it the tiny malls that get
Speaker 2: in your paintrey and get in your flower.
Speaker 1: Those are different. It's funny that you say that, because
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research on mobs and Paul
Speaker 1: just had a moth infestation in Boston and it's it's maddening.
Speaker 1: It's not maddening. It's maddening. And their babies and they
Speaker 1: lay larva which look like these little strings on your sweaters,
Speaker 1: and it's not maddening because you get holes in your sweater.
Speaker 1: That is maddening and you then don't realize till a
Speaker 1: year later, like all your cushy stuff. But moths love
Speaker 1: the best stuff. They have good taste, they love. They're
Speaker 1: like Erica Jane. They want expensive. It's expensive to be me.
Speaker 1: They want to lay in like the soft, cuddly, cushiest
Speaker 1: stuff you have. So and thank God in Boston, I
Speaker 1: have just my lounge around stuff with Paul. I don't
Speaker 1: have like my really good Lori piano cashme. I would
Speaker 1: be institutionalized, so all the moths and Paul was like,
Speaker 1: we can go shopping and I wasn't gonna like. I
Speaker 1: was like, who cares, It's just crap shit anyway. So
Speaker 1: that's not the worst process. The worst process is that
Speaker 1: you have to take every single garment out of your
Speaker 1: house have it dry cleaned. I did it with Madame
Speaker 1: paul Lett, and you have to have them come in
Speaker 1: and fully exterminate and like your clothes have to be
Speaker 1: taken out and put back, and it's thousands of dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, that's one of the things
Speaker 1: you think if you're poor, like you're getting mothballs. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's not gonna do it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: may not have Laura piano cashmer if you're poor. I
Speaker 1: get it, But to wash every single garment, it's like lice,
Speaker 1: but ten times worse. You have to wash every garment
Speaker 1: and every it's a fucking nightmare. So I was panicked
Speaker 1: when I saw those moths must have been like babies.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a night My.
Speaker 2: Sister had that in her closet and it calls her
Speaker 2: a thousands and she's got beautiful playing. So my sister does.
Speaker 2: My sister married a very well today my later in life,
Speaker 2: and I'm married young and we struggled, and so I
Speaker 2: didn't have I don't have moths trying to eat my
Speaker 2: I mean I could have some a few things, but
Speaker 2: not like you and my sister. I had the kind
Speaker 2: that went in the pantry where you have to throw
Speaker 2: everything you've ever owned out that you in your pantry,
Speaker 2: and then had somebody come in and do all that.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't cost thousands like my sister. She went
Speaker 2: through that. It was horrible. I thought, oh no.
Speaker 1: So you active, do be proactive and have the little
Speaker 1: cedar balls in your drawers and be proactive and clean
Speaker 1: your clothes and like, look out and get it before
Speaker 1: it gets you. It's a nightmare. So that was my
Speaker 1: moth issue, which was not a small affair, and we
Speaker 1: just did it again. But thank god it was in
Speaker 1: Boston because Paul, well.
Speaker 2: And you were tired and we're going through a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, and that makes it even worse. You just
Speaker 2: sit on the bed and I thought, oh, I know
Speaker 2: how she failed. And you were on TV every day.
Speaker 2: I thought, if somebody was coming in and doing I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2: But if somebody if I had to have everything in
Speaker 2: my house right or you know, going in to do
Speaker 2: and then I had to fight Ramona. I just don't
Speaker 2: know how in the world you did it. It makes
Speaker 2: me feel like I'm a mother and I'm a grandmother.
Speaker 2: I just felt like I needed to hold you. But
Speaker 2: you're a tump little boger. But you're a tump little boger,
Speaker 2: Yeah you are.
Speaker 1: I'm tough.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I think about the scene with Tom and the whole
Speaker 1: group with Jill, and I liked the Jill admitted that
Speaker 1: she missed it all. Like it mean she's saying that
Speaker 1: she misses the show and she's saying she misses the drama.
Speaker 1: And I think, but I always thought this because I
Speaker 1: was the one who called it out in the beginning
Speaker 1: when it wasn't popular. The worst is being on a
Speaker 1: reality show and calling things out and you look like
Speaker 1: the hater and you're calling out Tom because it just
Speaker 1: isn't tracking. And Luanne's trying to just like rinse it
Speaker 1: with fairy dust. Everything Lewenne does. She has found Tom
Speaker 1: and like everything is perfect. There's no problems with Tom.
Speaker 1: Everything's great. Like these housewives want to make their person
Speaker 1: perfect on the show because they're trying to sell something
Speaker 1: to the other women. So the women don't like, uncover
Speaker 1: the bag of skeletons and sell it to the audience.
Speaker 1: And he just seemed like he wasn't looking anyone in
Speaker 1: the face in the eye, and he seemed cagey and
Speaker 1: like he just didn't seem trustworthy. He did not look
Speaker 1: like a trustworthy person.
Speaker 2: Oh. I knew that from the minute. I thought, oh
Speaker 2: my lord, what he's low Wayne doing. And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I guess she's been wounded by that little man that
Speaker 2: his people dug the canal. But when she was in
Speaker 2: the car going to her wedding, and he said, I
Speaker 2: get she said we shouldn't be together the night for
Speaker 2: our wedding. Somebody's saying and he's saying, Oh, I get
Speaker 2: a haul pants, I'm going out that night. Oh he
Speaker 2: is so gross by. And then low Wayne's sitting up
Speaker 2: there with Turquois own. I know she's from Native people,
Speaker 2: but I thought, what do you day? When Lee wangan you? Not?
Speaker 2: What are you day? When I mean everybody knew Tom
Speaker 2: dang doll.
Speaker 1: Well, she wanted to like check the box, and so
Speaker 1: she wanted to make him like it's a Tom Dear
Speaker 1: Gastino and we're in the penthouse, which it was just
Speaker 1: an apartment on the top floor that was like not
Speaker 1: any great shakes. And she's always like in Palm Beach,
Speaker 1: but it's not Palm Beach. It's over the bridge. So
Speaker 1: Tinsey has to call around on that. Everything's just like
Speaker 1: sort of half a story. So she's trying to really
Speaker 1: sell him to everyone, and no one's buying it. In
Speaker 1: nineteen housewives have slept with him and it's just not
Speaker 1: a great story. And and Ramona dated Tom and some
Speaker 1: other friend and Ramona's other friends forgot her name, like
Speaker 1: Hillary or Monica or some other one of their other friends.
Speaker 1: There's there are three people that were on the adjacent
Speaker 1: to the show that have dated us up a Tom
Speaker 1: and I had a friend who knew someone who had
Speaker 1: dated Tom and who saw Tom making out with the woman.
Speaker 1: He just is one of those guys.
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was a cute in person anyway.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, not cut person in my opinion, But that's
Speaker 1: not even the big priority to me. And maybe he
Speaker 1: got married to someone else and it ended up working great.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the combination of the two of
Speaker 1: them was kryptonite. I don't know. But she wanted to
Speaker 1: drink him pretty and now she's single with her cabaret,
Speaker 1: so you know, she's like she's an actress at heart.
Speaker 1: But and it was funny that Jill said that she
Speaker 1: was upset that I wasn't invited to the wedding. I
Speaker 1: think there was no world where I don't remember it
Speaker 1: even being a discussion. I can't. I don't know of
Speaker 1: me being invited to the wedding, like I don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't even think that that. I like that. I
Speaker 1: like that that was not fake on the show, like
Speaker 1: the Teresa has to invite every single person she's ever
Speaker 1: met in the Bravos fear to the wedding. I don't
Speaker 1: like Luanne Lewyne doesn't like me like I'm Manivit's the wedding, perfect, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 2: And do you think but I felt like Jill? You
Speaker 2: know when you say, oh, I wish I could be
Speaker 2: with her. I thought she was going to be at
Speaker 2: the wedding. Well, I don't want to eat lunch with her,
Speaker 2: but I want to be with her at the wedding.
Speaker 2: Do you think Jill has grieved over you?
Speaker 1: I think she has, But Jill doesn't. Jill so smart
Speaker 1: cookie that doesn't play the long game, so you might
Speaker 1: as well be not smart. Jill always plays the immediate thing.
Speaker 1: She wants the immediate thing, and even if it's her
Speaker 1: most recently negotiating with brab and wanting to get her number,
Speaker 1: and let's say they don't get her number and she
Speaker 1: walks away, then she does a press tour about it,
Speaker 1: versus sitting tight and playing the long game. When because
Speaker 1: of her and everybody else, the negotiating for the most
Speaker 1: recent Real Housewives legacy show didn't work, not only because
Speaker 1: Jill wanted to be paid as much as everybody else,
Speaker 1: and then negotiated herself out of it. But if everybody
Speaker 1: else with the difference and came down a little in
Speaker 1: their money because it is a new show and some
Speaker 1: of them had been fired, they all would have met
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. So Jill over negotiated and overplayed
Speaker 1: her hand, and so did the more expensive crew, thinking
Speaker 1: that they should be paid much more than her cast.
Speaker 1: So did the expensive the expensive cast that they thought
Speaker 1: they should be back to where they were on Housewives.
Speaker 1: Instead of everyone meeting in the middle, they would have
Speaker 1: had probably an eight to twelve episode show. So now
Speaker 1: what Bravo did, which is the cheapest because it's going
Speaker 1: to cost them like one hundred thousand a housewife for
Speaker 1: a week's travel, and they're going to get multiple episodes
Speaker 1: of it. It's much cheaper than Bravo hiring them for
Speaker 1: a whole legacy show and having to pay pay each
Speaker 1: of them a couple hundred thousand dollars. So Bravo did
Speaker 1: something much cheaper, but they left Jill out of it
Speaker 1: because of her press tour presumably and trashing everybody and
Speaker 1: telling the story about what happened and why a legacy
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So instead of Jill play her cards right,
Speaker 1: she burned the bridge to get on that show that
Speaker 1: she could have been on for six episodes on Peacock
Speaker 1: and then she would have been on two shows because
Speaker 1: they're doing like a legacy trip instead of doing a
Speaker 1: legacy show. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 1: Goes on Andy Cohen's show after years when she left
Speaker 1: the show and he had her on and she records
Speaker 1: him on the show. That's like, so he found out
Speaker 1: she was recording it to make sure that he didn't
Speaker 1: edit her in a certain way. So that's not playing
Speaker 1: the long game. She used to argue with Bravo over
Speaker 1: the price of car services and try to finagle and
Speaker 1: like then she would get a bad reputation. It's just
Speaker 1: not she doesn't play the long game.
Speaker 2: M hm. Oh, I didn't realize by it, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: gotta play the long game. Oh you would think that
Speaker 2: Gill would be smart enough today by it?
Speaker 1: Yep, she can't help herself. So what did you think
Speaker 1: about the art show? I thought, you know, it's Carol's
Speaker 1: interesting neighbors, which she has a good relationship with her building,
Speaker 1: and it's like a commune over there. They have co
Speaker 1: parenting dogs, and you know, Adam's friends with having in
Speaker 1: her building, and someone in her building painted her nude.
Speaker 2: M h I thought she what did you think it was, Bethany,
Speaker 2: what did you think?
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great thing to get awareness
Speaker 1: for the artists and fill a scene for the show.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I thought, I
Speaker 2: mean little Carol. I mean, I guess she's I don't
Speaker 2: want to say she's not interesting to me, but she
Speaker 2: just never grabbed me. I think she's you know, tiny
Speaker 2: in her pants and all of that. No, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to say, because yeah, I just did.
Speaker 2: What I remember about it was Ramona coming up, you know,
Speaker 2: blared eyed, looking crazy, and you said I'm going in.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, that's the way to do things, you know,
Speaker 2: and not even entertain it. And I could feel Roman's
Speaker 2: heart being out of her body through that.
Speaker 1: Well. She called me, She called me Cruella Deville, and
Speaker 1: she called me like a Halloween character at Dorinda's house
Speaker 1: at another scene where she looked like the Tales from
Speaker 1: the Crypt. Because she's not able to use her words
Speaker 1: in an articulate manner, so she's just to call me names.
Speaker 1: But that scene is a good example of a scene
Speaker 1: that's a vehicle for another scene. That's my point about
Speaker 1: A players. And Carol's not an A player in the show.
Speaker 1: She was a B player, so but her nudity scene
Speaker 1: with the art was a good vehicle to have a
Speaker 1: Derenda Bethany Ramona conflict recap. So it doesn't matter whether
Speaker 1: we were a Burger king or you know, fucking Disneyland
Speaker 1: Carol's boring art scene. You know, Carol had a lot
Speaker 1: of those scenes like going to get the ashes, which
Speaker 1: is you know, meaningful and I understand, but that was
Speaker 1: a boring scene. So it's these scenes that are just
Speaker 1: filler with these other players that you need because not
Speaker 1: everybody can be the A player otherwise it's going to
Speaker 1: be too much type A, you know. But you have
Speaker 1: these like Jacqueline Marita is a great, great player on
Speaker 1: a Jersey show to be nice and some filler and
Speaker 1: her daughter and her husband was good, but some and
Speaker 1: sometimes the player has people around them that are good
Speaker 1: that all together they make up a housewife, like Dory
Speaker 1: and p K make up one housewife. Alex and Simon
Speaker 1: made up a housewife. Melissa and Joe made up one
Speaker 1: housewife without the husband or the people around. These people,
Speaker 1: they might not make up a whole housewife.
Speaker 2: Oh, Bethany, you know, I never thought of it that way,
Speaker 2: but I've watched all these and that makes perfect sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because Dary they up with that big Chanelle handman on.
Speaker 2: I mean, but then p K and boy George, I
Speaker 2: mean that might that might sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And her outfit is part of her character. She
Speaker 1: needs that outfit so she can add to what she's
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. You know, some of us, Sorinda
Speaker 1: and I could walk in their nude. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what we're wearing. And that's, as Margaret
Speaker 1: Chow so eloquently put it, that's like a suit of armor.
Speaker 1: And she's walking in with something that she's bringing to
Speaker 1: the table besides her Like that's part of her persona
Speaker 1: and part of her character. So that does a lot
Speaker 1: of the work for her. The houses and the bags
Speaker 1: and the logos and the abc DFG alphabet of Gucci Fendi,
Speaker 1: do your Chanelle LV, all the letters they're a character
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And the little brands, you know, and an odd hairdoo.
Speaker 1: Erica started it all everybody copied Erica, do recopied Erica,
Speaker 1: Lisa copied Door Read and Erica Kyle came in with
Speaker 1: the crazy hairstyles and the Australian designer dresses. They all
Speaker 1: copied Erica. She brought fashion. She brought costumes to the housewives,
Speaker 1: not fashion, because to me, fashion isn't wearing all logos
Speaker 1: and wearing something that looks uncomfortable and like it's so forced. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: if it was real fashion, I think these girls would
Speaker 1: have been invited to the mech Galibi. Now it feels
Speaker 1: like a costume and like just forced logos. But Erica
Speaker 1: gets credit for it. She said, I'm on TV and
Speaker 1: every moment will be a hair and makeup moment and
Speaker 1: a costume. And I was against that in the beginning
Speaker 1: when Kristen came in with costumes and two different shoes,
Speaker 1: because I always thought, God, focus on the story and
Speaker 1: your personality, don't focus so much on the shoes. Because
Speaker 1: I never gave a shit about the clothes a little
Speaker 1: a little and wanted to look better as people looked better.
Speaker 1: But I would probably wither in Beverly Hills because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to keep up with that shit. It's too competitive.
Speaker 1: Like the dressing. I'll keep up with anybody with the banter,
Speaker 1: but not the clothes.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that, right, Well, you don't, honey.
Speaker 2: I would rather if somebody said you've got to pick one,
Speaker 2: what do you want and say, I want to have
Speaker 2: Bethany's band for if I if I had to go
Speaker 2: in and find if I had to do all y'all
Speaker 2: had to do, I would want to be quick witted
Speaker 2: and sharp and funny. And I hope that. I hope
Speaker 2: as you get older in this world, because I'm older
Speaker 2: than you, I hope you can keep that win. I
Speaker 2: feel like I used to have that kind of sharp
Speaker 2: and now I feel like I'm just I'm getting in
Speaker 2: a fog because of menopause. But I hope that you
Speaker 2: keep that because that is what makes you Benthany, That's
Speaker 2: what makes you and it and it's very entertaining. Wow,
Speaker 2: And I just watching that episode, I look back, You're right.
Speaker 2: There are people that just kind of fade into the background,
Speaker 2: and then there are people who hold it, hold that scene.
Speaker 2: And I just the whole time I thought, and and
Speaker 2: you're tough. You are tough, and you've been through a
Speaker 2: lot and you grew up going through a lot, but
Speaker 2: I still wanted to. I thought if I could just
Speaker 2: cook for her, and I know you'll want to cook,
Speaker 2: but I thought if I could just go in and
Speaker 2: do a load of wash for her. She's got so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you Angel.
Speaker 1: Well, it was amazing to talk to you again, and
Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this and for watching,
Speaker 1: and good luck with your tour and with Netflix and
Speaker 1: with Ree Swederspoon, and you're it's amazing to have this
Speaker 1: career at fifty seven years old. It's like you're popping
Speaker 1: off now because you never gave up, and it's you
Speaker 1: have no choice and it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Darling, Thank you Angel, Thank you.
Speaker 1: You really prioritize that because we constantly are in our
Speaker 1: head and thinking and running and I'm really focusing on
Speaker 1: it myself. I'm trying really hard. So do it yourself too,
Speaker 1: and tell me. I say say hello, and you made
Speaker 1: my day.
Speaker 2: I'm will my darling, and I am I'm trying to
Speaker 2: focus on longeviting. I want to live long and dot
Speaker 2: quig yeah, and I'm really I'm really trying now to
Speaker 2: take care of my sound so that i can have
Speaker 2: the stamina the day this and I applaud you and
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell all my friend, so everybody's been
Speaker 2: watching you for years. Everybody's crazy about you, my darling.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, have a great day.
Speaker 2: Thank you you too,