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Speaker 1: We are heading back to New York, and it's not

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Speaker 1: all fun and games. In this episode, the ultimate fight

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Speaker 1: Stand up comedian Leanne Morgan joins me to recap this

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Speaker 1: wild and crazy episode. This is Real Housewives of New

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Speaker 1: York Season nine, Episode ten, Blackout and get Out. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen the show before?

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Speaker 2: Oh, lor Yeah, I used to watch all of them,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I've been through. I've lived everything you've ever

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Speaker 2: been through, much Darling. Also, I want to tell you

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Speaker 2: that I was with race Weatherspoond yesterday. I'm shooting a

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Speaker 2: movie with her. Oh wow, And she saying, and Will

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Speaker 2: Ferrell And she said, I told her I was doing

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Speaker 2: this today, and she said, Bethany Frankel is the normal

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Speaker 2: Ray of business deals. And we were sitting around with

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Speaker 2: I mean remember guys, because they were wanting thirty percent

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, I've got to tell Bethany. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: mean you know, Reese is a bad Mamma Jama.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and thank you for telling me that.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it was a wonderful compliment.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's beyond I think it's an understandment. All right,

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Speaker 1: So let's get into this smart stupidity. So you watched

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Speaker 1: the episode which was probably some escapism, and I literally

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Speaker 1: so it's like watching it for me too, And it's

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Speaker 1: weird when I watch, I'm like watching these other people.

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Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? Like it doesn't even Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm bad, honey, And I felt the whole time. I thought,

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Speaker 1: Do you do you an why I left?

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Speaker 2: He is a lot. It was a lot.

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Speaker 1: But isn't it all so? Like it's so funny because

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Speaker 1: so many smart people watch the show, smart successful people

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Speaker 1: watch the show and like to watch it because I don't.

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Speaker 1: And it's escapism. But I don't think they realize that

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Speaker 1: and I think that they're like watching it like it's

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Speaker 1: so when you're sitting there, do you ever think because

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Speaker 1: I think, like I was broke when I started, so

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Speaker 1: I know why I did it, but I wonder why

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Speaker 2: I guess so, and I guess with all why it

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Speaker 2: I think so too. And see, I'm watched from the beginning,

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Speaker 2: But everybody was trying to you know, you could tell

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Speaker 2: Out of all those people who were you know, dynamic

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Speaker 1: Out and it's never about it, it's about and it

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Speaker 1: I felt that I had my reasons, I had my gut.

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Speaker 1: and I said, I said, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 2: I feel like when you're talking about all that conflict

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Speaker 1: like she's annoyed that I dated wealthy men. And she's annoyed.

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00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: She said, but by the way, the one thing that

430
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: no one has ever accused me of is getting anywhere

431
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: by anything but hard work. I work harder than anyone

432
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: around me, anyone on my on my team, anyone I

433
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: I that's like such a good confident thing that I

434
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: can have that I work so hard always. I can't.

435
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: It's just who I am. It's what I know. So

436
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: it's a great feeling when no one could ever take

437
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: that away from work luck, you know. And I'm sure

438
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: you could say the same. Working like a dog on

439
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: the road.

440
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, working like a don't you know you can? I know,

441
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can outwork. It's no killing Bethony Lord.

442
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: So so she says, So here's the behind the scenes

443
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: of these shows. So I'm going to room alone with her,

444
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: And this is what happened years ago with Kelly, with

445
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: the I'm up here, you're down here, you know, the

446
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: cats scene. So now I'm gonna room alone with Ramona

447
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: and you're drinking alcohol at the house and like you've

448
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: got camera guys and they're you know, they're the changing

449
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: of the guard. They're not going to say anything, and

450
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: the producers aren't going to say anything because every producer

451
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: tells every uh character, they did great, it went well.

452
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: They nod, You're perfect, you did everything right. Good for you,

453
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: they nod. And the person's like, it wasn't that bad,

454
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: was it?

455
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: No?

456
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't bad at all. Like right, and you

457
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: never know where you are. You have vertigo at all

458
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: times because your mind is playing tricks on you, so

459
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: you don't walk out. When I walked out of the

460
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: Kelly thing, I have a I'm very self aware, so

461
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: I thought I was kind of tire, and I walked out,

462
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: and the producer said to me, quote unquote, in the car,

463
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: your publicist would be very proud right now. So I

464
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: thought I had done something, but who knows what the

465
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: hell they told her? And I thought, but you second

466
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: guessed yourself, and you just don't know what's coming out

467
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: of the oven. The edit could be different than you thought.

468
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: So in this situation, I didn't even see the humor

469
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: in it. I was probably panicked inside by the things

470
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: she was saying, and it felt like she had come

471
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,239
Speaker 1: and attacked me. And I remember calling Andy Cohen, and

472
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: I remember calling everyone and not getting the reaction that

473
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: I wanted from them, like not them saying, oh my god,

474
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: there's never been a trashing like this in the Housewives history,

475
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: oh my god. And they give you no like Andy,

476
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: No one gave me any cards like it was like

477
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: they acted like it was just like a normal scene.

478
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: Because to them, they're watching that hundreds of these scenes

479
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: and it's all blending and they don't care because there

480
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: are no stakes for them. So I remember, And then

481
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: you have to wait for this fucking thing to go

482
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: in the oven be baked, and then you watch it

483
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: so degrading, You watch it four days before everybody else,

484
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: so you have no new knowledge. You don't know how

485
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: this thing came out. And when I it, I you know,

486
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: things get taken out or added it down, and it

487
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: seemed bad, but it seemed way worse than the moment

488
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: because I was You're just so paranoid about what everyone's

489
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: going to see and what she said about me, And

490
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: then everybody finds this mention at all, thing that they

491
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: think is hilarious that I didn't even think it's just me.

492
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: I had no idea that was funny. You know, you

493
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: don't know what this cake is coming out. I had

494
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: no idea that there was a funny moment in there.

495
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: Mentioned all. I remember saying, mention it all you're just

496
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: surviving m hm.

497
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: Oh, and you were quick on your feet. And I

498
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: thought the whole time, I thought, hew in the world

499
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: has she said in this? Because I started thinking about

500
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: and this is And I may not have everything right

501
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: because it's been a while that years ago when you

502
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: and Jail fell out, but I remember the pain. I

503
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: had a breakup with a girlfriend like that, and I

504
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: remember Jill being heard over you and you heard and

505
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: then Bobby and all that. All that's going on while Ramona,

506
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know. I'm not probably being loasted.

507
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: I just I just think, how did you go through

508
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: that benthony with the baby, with the ex husband. I

509
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: just look at all that what was happening. And I

510
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: know now I'm getting personal and I don't maintain, but

511
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: I just watched it and I thought, how did that

512
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: little thing make it through that? Well?

513
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: You had you, but it was way better. Well it

514
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: was way better than because it was so real and

515
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: there was no hair and makeup, and you didn't even

516
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: know what show you were on because it was called

517
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: Manhattan Moms till they changed it, and you were just

518
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: doing something new in a new genre. You didn't walk

519
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: in with God with the wind dresses of Goldline May

520
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: and the Reunion. You wore some shitty dress in your closet,

521
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: and it was so authentic. You didn't have glam squads,

522
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: you didn't have glam for the interviews. You wore some

523
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: shitty cardigan and did in your own house, so there

524
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: was an authenticity to it. I was also I had

525
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars to my name walking into the first

526
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: season where I got paid two hundred and fifty dollars,

527
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: like it was a gig. It was a job. You know,

528
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: you weren't even really famous yet, like people didn't really

529
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: It was very niche, and we were creating this genre

530
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: that would go on for decades, and creating, you know,

531
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: making a millionaire out of Andy Cohen, who started off

532
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: as an executive, and you know, it just was a

533
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: whole different thing. And my skinny girl thing shook the

534
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: core of the whole thing. It shook the core. But

535
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I knew that that was going to happen. I had

536
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: this sort of plan and it's been an interesting ride.

537
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: And in that scene with Ramona and also she had

538
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: previously on the Brooklyn Bridge decimated me in my life

539
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 1: and said, terrible thing. She's got a mean streak and

540
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: she has to like take you down because taking you

541
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: down brings her up. And she's always had it for me.

542
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: She and Luanne in particular, have always had it for me.

543
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: And Jill was just playing the zero sum game. She

544
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: was feeling herself. She was drinking her fame, she was

545
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: drinking the kool aid. And during the summer, something happened

546
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: in an article and I, you know, I was trying

547
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: to not tell her every single thing I was doing

548
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: because I got a co host gig on a talk

549
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: show and she called them up and said I'm better

550
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: than her, and like she was competing a little bit

551
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: quietly competing, but also my friend, And this is what's

552
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: happening to these women. And the reason I know that

553
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: is that I've spoken to people from Beverly Hills and

554
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they invited me to go to this country,

555
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: and no one else got that, and they wanted only me,

556
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: like everybody's competing, it's women in a fucking pitbull cage.

557
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: So with Jill, we came back and she thought she

558
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: had a smoking gun, so she thought she was going

559
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: to say to me, you didn't call Bobby when he

560
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: had cancer in the beginning of a scene of a season,

561
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: and that she was going to take me down because

562
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: it's a zero sum game and someone's got to get

563
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: killed and someone's got to be winning. I'm just pretty

564
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: fucking fast. And as Andy saw on that crazy reunion,

565
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: when everyone was hating me, when Carol was after me,

566
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: when Derinda was after me, when Mamona was after me,

567
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: when Luam would have been my only ally, but I

568
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: made them let her stay home because she had had

569
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: her whole crazy intervention, and I took them on by myself,

570
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: like a sniper. I just sat there and won at

571
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: a time, I took him on, and you better get

572
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: up really early in the morning to try to take

573
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: my ass down. These women never had a shot, but

574
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: they kept trying, and I give them credit. So Ramona, sorry,

575
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking so much. I never talked as much. I'm

576
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just remembering things. So Ramona came in

577
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: to take me down and afterwards, when I was calling everybody,

578
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I thought a tree fell, but no one heard it,

579
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: Like did that just happen? Because you could be the

580
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: one that took the other, but you could be the

581
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: one that I could have attacked her. I don't you

582
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: don't remember? You blacked out? You black out? So I

583
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: like now watching Ramona recant the story to everyone that

584
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: was my favorite that I attacked her.

585
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Oh my lord, okay, And I I can't hel help

586
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: Anthony because I'm feel sorry for Ramona because I think,

587
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: God love, she had no chance once so ever, and

588
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: it just sounded so penniful. Is she okay? Nihil? Is

589
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: she okay? Does anybody know? I just looked through this

590
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: whole episode and I just thought she was unhinged, bug

591
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: one unhinged. Could not even I mean, it didn't even

592
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: make sensese what she was saying.

593
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: Is she okay? There's no bar for Ramona because all

594
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: the things that she said have made the bar so

595
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: low for what she might do or say or miss

596
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: that it's a great place to be in because you

597
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: people laugh at it. It's like your uncle that, like

598
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, says the most off colored joke at a

599
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: lunch or a family party or the crazy aunt, like

600
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: there's not much she can't get away with because she

601
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: has not painted herself into the perfect corner. You know,

602
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of great for her, like Luamne was a

603
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: darling and the the couges and it's appropriate, but Ramona

604
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: never said, well, she always acts like she's perfect. But

605
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: it just she just started off with such craziness the

606
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: very beginning that it doesn't matter what she does till now.

607
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: So and she's a great television character. And when I

608
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: left the series this last time, she said the show

609
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: will be better and trashed me and now calls me

610
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: to be on this pocket like but it doesn't matter.

611
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: It's like it's just noise. She asked me for advice

612
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: all the time, forgetting all the bad things she said

613
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: about me. It's it's just Ramona. So she's got revisionist history,

614
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: telling everyone that you know, I attacked her. And but

615
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: what I find interesting is to watch the show through

616
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: the lens of someone who's done it, and you can

617
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: watch Ramona spinning out on camera, like you know that

618
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: she's trying to tell other people that I attacked her,

619
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: but in her mind she's trying to also like apologize

620
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, I did have a lot

621
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: to drink. Like she's talking out of both sides of

622
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: her mouth. She knows she fucked up, she knows she

623
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: went too far. She's not entirely sure what she said,

624
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: but she's trying to convince herself and everyone else. And

625
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: it's like, hmm not everyone's buying it.

626
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: No, but they didn't buy it. And they were like, oh,

627
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: shadd Romona, you really stepped in at this time. Yeah,

628
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: nobody agreed what Yeah, it was by d And like

629
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: she couldn't pull back from it.

630
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: She couldn't pull back from it. And another funny thing

631
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: is when I like someone but they're not the best housewife,

632
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: so you're it happened with you know, Kristen is a

633
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: lovely person and she just wasn't the best housewife. You know,

634
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: she's a lovely person, and Jules was sweet. Same thing.

635
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like if you're a good starting player, sometimes

636
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: you really just want to get the not the street whatever,

637
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: the next level, the next string of players kind of

638
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: out of your way because you want to play tennis with,

639
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: like Federer. So like even if I don't love even

640
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: if I don't love Ramona for example, Like she's a

641
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: good she's a good tennis player, you know, so you

642
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: want your first you want your like good tennis players,

643
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: like you want your starting lineup, like you know, the

644
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Sonya is even even you know, Ramona never been Land's

645
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: always like one notch down. She's always hiding something. But

646
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: the mistakes that she makes make her a starting player.

647
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: But so I bring all this up because Tinsley is

648
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: not really a starting player. But I really like her

649
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: and she's so nice, but sometimes you kind of just

650
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: want to get that like fluffy cotton candy out of

651
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: the way so you can like get to the meet,

652
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, Like.

653
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when you play sports in Hosco, if

654
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: you play up, you know, you play better if you

655
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: play somebody that she played worse.

656
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: Right, right, So it's hard because I like Tinsley a lot.

657
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: I think she was, you know, a nice person to

658
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: have around and she was decent. But sometimes she'd be like,

659
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: well let's talk about that later, and it's not the cameras,

660
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: like right, like I don't want to be here either.

661
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: She just not all the time. She just she doesn't

662
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: want to you know, she wants to do the Michelle

663
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: Obama program, which is great because she's not a big

664
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: gossip and she doesn't want to go low and she's lovely.

665
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I really like Tinsley, but like, she was not built

666
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: for this. And sometimes you just don't want to be

667
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: like talking to Kristin or Tinseley about something in a

668
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: scene because you really want to get like you want

669
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: the meat off the bone. You're not really interested in

670
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: like the little side dishes the fat. So that's just

671
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: I just mentioned that because I liked Tinsley a lot.

672
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: I always liked her, so whatever that means.

673
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: But that scene at the art gallery when you when

674
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: Ramona comes up to who does she come up to

675
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: to hug Leuyne or somebody, and you go, I'm leaving

676
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: and you walk off, and I thought, oh lord, because

677
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: when somebody has done that to me in my life,

678
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: or I don't, I mean, I hadn't followed anybody like Ramona,

679
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: but when when somebody just goes, you know what, I'm

680
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: not doing this and walks off. I could tell that

681
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: when Ramona was like, oh no, you know, you just

682
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: weren't playing in that, and I thought that was smart.

683
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: I thought, oh.

684
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Yes, she's I have the art of dismissal and that

685
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't like that. You know art of dismissal. And

686
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: you know Ramona treats staff a certain way and doesn't

687
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: treat other people's belongings with respect, which is how she

688
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: stole two dresses of minor a talk show and the

689
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: way that she treated Dorinda's house. She was drunk.

690
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: What does she do what I couldn't remember? Did she

691
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: riped something out of the wall?

692
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: So it's breaking the fourth wall, but you have to

693
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: because what happened was she went up to her room

694
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: and you'll have these bright lights like I have them

695
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: here in the podcast, these bright lights that are like

696
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: rigged and taped and Durinda probably is very old painting

697
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: that how she hadn't redone it yet and I'm sure she.

698
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: I think she got reimbursed, which is great because she

699
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: got either insurance or they paid her. It's great, like

700
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: to try, there's no money someone could pay to be

701
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: in my house and trash my house. Like I couldn't

702
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: handle what Durnda indoors. But because with her house being

703
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: a location sometimes and when Deinda, Ramona got to her

704
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: room and was wasted and wanted to go to bed.

705
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: She didn't think to go downstairs and tell somebody, can

706
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: you take the lights? And it's not like it's a

707
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: light switch, you gotta unplug it and find the plug.

708
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: So instead she wanted to go to bed, and she

709
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: just ripped everything off the wall. So it's stuff taped

710
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: to the wall. So she just ripped all the lights

711
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: down so they just get off. It'd be like, you know,

712
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: just like ripping chords out. And so she trashed and

713
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: which is totally believable, as much as it was believable

714
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: that every person who was ever on my talk show

715
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: knows she stole the dresses. It happened. Yeah, I didn't

716
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: have to. It just happened. And I think and Sonya,

717
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: you know what, that's the thing about getting drunk. Sonya

718
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: wore during his husband's pajamas and it's like funny but

719
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: almost Yeah, it's funny, but it's like not that funny.

720
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: And that's what happens when you're drinking and you know,

721
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: in a show and something's gonna happen. And then there

722
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: was some fake scenes in the episode, which there always are,

723
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: like the made for TV producer scenes, Carol showing Tinsley

724
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the apartment down the hall. Tinsley was never going to move.

725
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Tinsley was never moving to New York because she didn't

726
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: want to live in New York. She was staying in

727
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: a hotel because of the show. She was staying at

728
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: Sonya's because of the show. And that's like one of

729
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: those fake scenes. And I know they need the filler

730
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: scenes and they suck, but I never did those scenes.

731
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't do fake filler bullshit scenes. Like she's not

732
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: moving in there. It's a co op building anyway, Like

733
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: it's just not happening.

734
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm wondered. And when she said I can't get near

735
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: my this is not where I get my blow woe out.

736
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: So I'm not doing maas wow. But I love her

737
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 2: and I think she's beautiful. Okay, little Carol, Little Carol

738
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: with that man. Is she's still with me? I should

739
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: have googled thes Is she still with that young girl?

740
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: They're still friends, but they're not together. Sometimes maybe there

741
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: are benefits. I don't know that, That's what I hear.

742
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: Well, and he makes salad, you know, for he.

743
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Makes salad for her? Yeah, yeah, she she She spends

744
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about me and a lot

745
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: of time talking about the show, and it's a long

746
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: time ago for something that she really doesn't like, she

747
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: also spends a lot of time talking about it. Okay,

748
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: so now I'm with my assistance and you mentioned that

749
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: I was a little ripped. I think time is so

750
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: important how we spend it. And you get pulled in

751
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: different directions and you say yes, and everything sounds good

752
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: on a calendar, but then you really have to execute

753
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: it and it's it's not the same. But I was

754
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: obviously more focused on the moths. I had a moth.

755
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a moth investigation?

756
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I say, and I looked at your moths

757
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: and I thought, are those the moths that get in

758
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: my pantry? It was it the tiny malls that get

759
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: in your paintrey and get in your flower.

760
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: Those are different. It's funny that you say that, because

761
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research on mobs and Paul

762
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: just had a moth infestation in Boston and it's it's maddening.

763
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: It's not maddening. It's maddening. And their babies and they

764
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: lay larva which look like these little strings on your sweaters,

765
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: and it's not maddening because you get holes in your sweater.

766
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: That is maddening and you then don't realize till a

767
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: year later, like all your cushy stuff. But moths love

768
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: the best stuff. They have good taste, they love. They're

769
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: like Erica Jane. They want expensive. It's expensive to be me.

770
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: They want to lay in like the soft, cuddly, cushiest

771
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: stuff you have. So and thank God in Boston, I

772
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: have just my lounge around stuff with Paul. I don't

773
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: have like my really good Lori piano cashme. I would

774
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: be institutionalized, so all the moths and Paul was like,

775
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: we can go shopping and I wasn't gonna like. I

776
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: was like, who cares, It's just crap shit anyway. So

777
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: that's not the worst process. The worst process is that

778
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: you have to take every single garment out of your

779
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: house have it dry cleaned. I did it with Madame

780
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: paul Lett, and you have to have them come in

781
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: and fully exterminate and like your clothes have to be

782
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: taken out and put back, and it's thousands of dollars.

783
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, that's one of the things

784
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: you think if you're poor, like you're getting mothballs. It's

785
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: not gonna it's not gonna do it. I mean, you

786
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: may not have Laura piano cashmer if you're poor. I

787
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: get it, But to wash every single garment, it's like lice,

788
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: but ten times worse. You have to wash every garment

789
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: and every it's a fucking nightmare. So I was panicked

790
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: when I saw those moths must have been like babies.

791
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, it was a night My.

792
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: Sister had that in her closet and it calls her

793
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: a thousands and she's got beautiful playing. So my sister does.

794
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: My sister married a very well today my later in life,

795
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: and I'm married young and we struggled, and so I

796
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: didn't have I don't have moths trying to eat my

797
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: I mean I could have some a few things, but

798
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: not like you and my sister. I had the kind

799
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: that went in the pantry where you have to throw

800
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: everything you've ever owned out that you in your pantry,

801
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: and then had somebody come in and do all that.

802
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: But it doesn't cost thousands like my sister. She went

803
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: through that. It was horrible. I thought, oh no.

804
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: So you active, do be proactive and have the little

805
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: cedar balls in your drawers and be proactive and clean

806
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: your clothes and like, look out and get it before

807
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: it gets you. It's a nightmare. So that was my

808
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: moth issue, which was not a small affair, and we

809
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: just did it again. But thank god it was in

810
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: Boston because Paul, well.

811
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: And you were tired and we're going through a lot,

812
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: you know, and that makes it even worse. You just

813
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: sit on the bed and I thought, oh, I know

814
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: how she failed. And you were on TV every day.

815
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: I thought, if somebody was coming in and doing I'm exhausted.

816
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: But if somebody if I had to have everything in

817
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: my house right or you know, going in to do

818
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: and then I had to fight Ramona. I just don't

819
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: know how in the world you did it. It makes

820
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: me feel like I'm a mother and I'm a grandmother.

821
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: I just felt like I needed to hold you. But

822
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: you're a tump little boger. But you're a tump little boger,

823
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you are.

824
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm tough.

825
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: Now.

826
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: I think about the scene with Tom and the whole

827
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: group with Jill, and I liked the Jill admitted that

828
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: she missed it all. Like it mean she's saying that

829
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: she misses the show and she's saying she misses the drama.

830
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: And I think, but I always thought this because I

831
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: was the one who called it out in the beginning

832
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: when it wasn't popular. The worst is being on a

833
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: reality show and calling things out and you look like

834
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: the hater and you're calling out Tom because it just

835
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: isn't tracking. And Luanne's trying to just like rinse it

836
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: with fairy dust. Everything Lewenne does. She has found Tom

837
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: and like everything is perfect. There's no problems with Tom.

838
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: Everything's great. Like these housewives want to make their person

839
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: perfect on the show because they're trying to sell something

840
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: to the other women. So the women don't like, uncover

841
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: the bag of skeletons and sell it to the audience.

842
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: And he just seemed like he wasn't looking anyone in

843
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: the face in the eye, and he seemed cagey and

844
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: like he just didn't seem trustworthy. He did not look

845
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: like a trustworthy person.

846
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh. I knew that from the minute. I thought, oh

847
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: my lord, what he's low Wayne doing. And I thought, well,

848
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: I guess she's been wounded by that little man that

849
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: his people dug the canal. But when she was in

850
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: the car going to her wedding, and he said, I

851
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: get she said we shouldn't be together the night for

852
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: our wedding. Somebody's saying and he's saying, Oh, I get

853
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: a haul pants, I'm going out that night. Oh he

854
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: is so gross by. And then low Wayne's sitting up

855
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: there with Turquois own. I know she's from Native people,

856
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: but I thought, what do you day? When Lee wangan you? Not?

857
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: What are you day? When I mean everybody knew Tom

858
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: dang doll.

859
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Well, she wanted to like check the box, and so

860
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: she wanted to make him like it's a Tom Dear

861
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Gastino and we're in the penthouse, which it was just

862
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: an apartment on the top floor that was like not

863
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: any great shakes. And she's always like in Palm Beach,

864
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: but it's not Palm Beach. It's over the bridge. So

865
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Tinsey has to call around on that. Everything's just like

866
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: sort of half a story. So she's trying to really

867
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: sell him to everyone, and no one's buying it. In

868
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: nineteen housewives have slept with him and it's just not

869
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: a great story. And and Ramona dated Tom and some

870
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: other friend and Ramona's other friends forgot her name, like

871
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: Hillary or Monica or some other one of their other friends.

872
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: There's there are three people that were on the adjacent

873
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,240
Speaker 1: to the show that have dated us up a Tom

874
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: and I had a friend who knew someone who had

875
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: dated Tom and who saw Tom making out with the woman.

876
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: He just is one of those guys.

877
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was a cute in person anyway.

878
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: Okay, no, not cut person in my opinion, But that's

879
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: not even the big priority to me. And maybe he

880
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: got married to someone else and it ended up working great.

881
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the combination of the two of

882
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: them was kryptonite. I don't know. But she wanted to

883
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: drink him pretty and now she's single with her cabaret,

884
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: so you know, she's like she's an actress at heart.

885
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: But and it was funny that Jill said that she

886
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: was upset that I wasn't invited to the wedding. I

887
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: think there was no world where I don't remember it

888
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: even being a discussion. I can't. I don't know of

889
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: me being invited to the wedding, like I don't. I

890
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: just don't even think that that. I like that. I

891
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: like that that was not fake on the show, like

892
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: the Teresa has to invite every single person she's ever

893
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: met in the Bravos fear to the wedding. I don't

894
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: like Luanne Lewyne doesn't like me like I'm Manivit's the wedding, perfect, perfect, perfect.

895
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: And do you think but I felt like Jill? You

896
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: know when you say, oh, I wish I could be

897
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: with her. I thought she was going to be at

898
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: the wedding. Well, I don't want to eat lunch with her,

899
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: but I want to be with her at the wedding.

900
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: Do you think Jill has grieved over you?

901
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: I think she has, But Jill doesn't. Jill so smart

902
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: cookie that doesn't play the long game, so you might

903
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: as well be not smart. Jill always plays the immediate thing.

904
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: She wants the immediate thing, and even if it's her

905
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: most recently negotiating with brab and wanting to get her number,

906
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: and let's say they don't get her number and she

907
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: walks away, then she does a press tour about it,

908
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: versus sitting tight and playing the long game. When because

909
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: of her and everybody else, the negotiating for the most

910
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: recent Real Housewives legacy show didn't work, not only because

911
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: Jill wanted to be paid as much as everybody else,

912
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: and then negotiated herself out of it. But if everybody

913
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: else with the difference and came down a little in

914
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: their money because it is a new show and some

915
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: of them had been fired, they all would have met

916
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. So Jill over negotiated and overplayed

917
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: her hand, and so did the more expensive crew, thinking

918
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: that they should be paid much more than her cast.

919
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: So did the expensive the expensive cast that they thought

920
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: they should be back to where they were on Housewives.

921
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Instead of everyone meeting in the middle, they would have

922
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: had probably an eight to twelve episode show. So now

923
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: what Bravo did, which is the cheapest because it's going

924
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: to cost them like one hundred thousand a housewife for

925
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: a week's travel, and they're going to get multiple episodes

926
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: of it. It's much cheaper than Bravo hiring them for

927
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: a whole legacy show and having to pay pay each

928
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: of them a couple hundred thousand dollars. So Bravo did

929
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: something much cheaper, but they left Jill out of it

930
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: because of her press tour presumably and trashing everybody and

931
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: telling the story about what happened and why a legacy

932
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So instead of Jill play her cards right,

933
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: she burned the bridge to get on that show that

934
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: she could have been on for six episodes on Peacock

935
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: and then she would have been on two shows because

936
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: they're doing like a legacy trip instead of doing a

937
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: legacy show. Does that make sense to you?

938
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, she.

939
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: Goes on Andy Cohen's show after years when she left

940
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: the show and he had her on and she records

941
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: him on the show. That's like, so he found out

942
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: she was recording it to make sure that he didn't

943
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: edit her in a certain way. So that's not playing

944
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: the long game. She used to argue with Bravo over

945
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: the price of car services and try to finagle and

946
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: like then she would get a bad reputation. It's just

947
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: not she doesn't play the long game.

948
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: M hm. Oh, I didn't realize by it, Yeah, you

949
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: gotta play the long game. Oh you would think that

950
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: Gill would be smart enough today by it?

951
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: Yep, she can't help herself. So what did you think

952
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: about the art show? I thought, you know, it's Carol's

953
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: interesting neighbors, which she has a good relationship with her building,

954
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: and it's like a commune over there. They have co

955
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: parenting dogs, and you know, Adam's friends with having in

956
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: her building, and someone in her building painted her nude.

957
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: M h I thought she what did you think it was, Bethany,

958
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: what did you think?

959
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great thing to get awareness

960
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: for the artists and fill a scene for the show.

961
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I thought, I

962
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: mean little Carol. I mean, I guess she's I don't

963
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: want to say she's not interesting to me, but she

964
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: just never grabbed me. I think she's you know, tiny

965
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: in her pants and all of that. No, I don't

966
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: even know what to say, because yeah, I just did.

967
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: What I remember about it was Ramona coming up, you know,

968
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: blared eyed, looking crazy, and you said I'm going in.

969
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, that's the way to do things, you know,

970
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: and not even entertain it. And I could feel Roman's

971
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: heart being out of her body through that.

972
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: Well. She called me, She called me Cruella Deville, and

973
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: she called me like a Halloween character at Dorinda's house

974
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: at another scene where she looked like the Tales from

975
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: the Crypt. Because she's not able to use her words

976
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: in an articulate manner, so she's just to call me names.

977
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: But that scene is a good example of a scene

978
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: that's a vehicle for another scene. That's my point about

979
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: A players. And Carol's not an A player in the show.

980
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: She was a B player, so but her nudity scene

981
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: with the art was a good vehicle to have a

982
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Derenda Bethany Ramona conflict recap. So it doesn't matter whether

983
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: we were a Burger king or you know, fucking Disneyland

984
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Carol's boring art scene. You know, Carol had a lot

985
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: of those scenes like going to get the ashes, which

986
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: is you know, meaningful and I understand, but that was

987
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: a boring scene. So it's these scenes that are just

988
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: filler with these other players that you need because not

989
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: everybody can be the A player otherwise it's going to

990
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: be too much type A, you know. But you have

991
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: these like Jacqueline Marita is a great, great player on

992
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: a Jersey show to be nice and some filler and

993
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: her daughter and her husband was good, but some and

994
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: sometimes the player has people around them that are good

995
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: that all together they make up a housewife, like Dory

996
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: and p K make up one housewife. Alex and Simon

997
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: made up a housewife. Melissa and Joe made up one

998
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: housewife without the husband or the people around. These people,

999
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: they might not make up a whole housewife.

1000
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: Oh, Bethany, you know, I never thought of it that way,

1001
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: but I've watched all these and that makes perfect sense. Yeah,

1002
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: because Dary they up with that big Chanelle handman on.

1003
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, but then p K and boy George, I

1004
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: mean that might that might sense to me.

1005
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And her outfit is part of her character. She

1006
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: needs that outfit so she can add to what she's

1007
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. You know, some of us, Sorinda

1008
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: and I could walk in their nude. It doesn't matter.

1009
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what we're wearing. And that's, as Margaret

1010
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: Chow so eloquently put it, that's like a suit of armor.

1011
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: And she's walking in with something that she's bringing to

1012
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: the table besides her Like that's part of her persona

1013
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: and part of her character. So that does a lot

1014
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: of the work for her. The houses and the bags

1015
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: and the logos and the abc DFG alphabet of Gucci Fendi,

1016
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: do your Chanelle LV, all the letters they're a character

1017
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: mm hmm.

1018
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: And the little brands, you know, and an odd hairdoo.

1019
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: Erica started it all everybody copied Erica, do recopied Erica,

1020
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: Lisa copied Door Read and Erica Kyle came in with

1021
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: the crazy hairstyles and the Australian designer dresses. They all

1022
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: copied Erica. She brought fashion. She brought costumes to the housewives,

1023
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: not fashion, because to me, fashion isn't wearing all logos

1024
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: and wearing something that looks uncomfortable and like it's so forced. Otherwise,

1025
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: if it was real fashion, I think these girls would

1026
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: have been invited to the mech Galibi. Now it feels

1027
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: like a costume and like just forced logos. But Erica

1028
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: gets credit for it. She said, I'm on TV and

1029
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: every moment will be a hair and makeup moment and

1030
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: a costume. And I was against that in the beginning

1031
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: when Kristen came in with costumes and two different shoes,

1032
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: because I always thought, God, focus on the story and

1033
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: your personality, don't focus so much on the shoes. Because

1034
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: I never gave a shit about the clothes a little

1035
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: a little and wanted to look better as people looked better.

1036
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: But I would probably wither in Beverly Hills because I

1037
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to keep up with that shit. It's too competitive.

1038
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: Like the dressing. I'll keep up with anybody with the banter,

1039
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: but not the clothes.

1040
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't care about that, right, Well, you don't, honey.

1041
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: I would rather if somebody said you've got to pick one,

1042
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: what do you want and say, I want to have

1043
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: Bethany's band for if I if I had to go

1044
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: in and find if I had to do all y'all

1045
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: had to do, I would want to be quick witted

1046
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: and sharp and funny. And I hope that. I hope

1047
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: as you get older in this world, because I'm older

1048
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: than you, I hope you can keep that win. I

1049
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: feel like I used to have that kind of sharp

1050
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: and now I feel like I'm just I'm getting in

1051
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: a fog because of menopause. But I hope that you

1052
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: keep that because that is what makes you Benthany, That's

1053
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: what makes you and it and it's very entertaining. Wow,

1054
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: And I just watching that episode, I look back, You're right.

1055
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 2: There are people that just kind of fade into the background,

1056
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: and then there are people who hold it, hold that scene.

1057
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: And I just the whole time I thought, and and

1058
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: you're tough. You are tough, and you've been through a

1059
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: lot and you grew up going through a lot, but

1060
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: I still wanted to. I thought if I could just

1061
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 2: cook for her, and I know you'll want to cook,

1062
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: but I thought if I could just go in and

1063
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: do a load of wash for her. She's got so much.

1064
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you Angel.

1065
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Speaker 1: Well, it was amazing to talk to you again, and

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this and for watching,

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Speaker 1: and good luck with your tour and with Netflix and

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Speaker 1: with Ree Swederspoon, and you're it's amazing to have this

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Speaker 1: career at fifty seven years old. It's like you're popping

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Speaker 1: off now because you never gave up, and it's you

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Speaker 1: have no choice and it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darling, Thank you Angel, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You really prioritize that because we constantly are in our

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Speaker 1: head and thinking and running and I'm really focusing on

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Speaker 1: it myself. I'm trying really hard. So do it yourself too,

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Speaker 1: and tell me. I say say hello, and you made

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Speaker 1: my day.

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Speaker 2: I'm will my darling, and I am I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: focus on longeviting. I want to live long and dot

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Speaker 2: quig yeah, and I'm really I'm really trying now to

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Speaker 2: take care of my sound so that i can have

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Speaker 2: the stamina the day this and I applaud you and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell all my friend, so everybody's been

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Speaker 2: watching you for years. Everybody's crazy about you, my darling.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you too,