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Speaker 4: go into what everybody's been waiting for. We're gonna break

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Speaker 4: down cryptocurrency. Before we go into cryptocurrency, we gotta tell

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so if you know, if you if you listen

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Speaker 4: Rest in peace. But it's real because we really tried

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Speaker 4: everything at one point in time. We literally tried everything.

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Speaker 4: So all right, so here's the story you on crypto currency. Right,

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Speaker 4: So all right, So can we talk about crypto leistart

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Speaker 2: Right, Because I mean it's like you said, with bitcoin,

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Speaker 4: Nobody knows Satoshi Knockamoto. Did I say that correctly?

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Speaker 2: Are China, South Korea, they just said what not, you

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Speaker 2: It was like we couldn't buy on certain exchanges. So

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Speaker 2: US citizens, right, so we had to drive you Icos, right,

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Speaker 2: that was yeah, that was yeah, I lost somebody and

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Speaker 2: that yeah. So ICOS initial episode. So ice Heil was

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Speaker 2: the equivalent of an IPL. So like that's an initial

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Speaker 2: coin offering. So when these companies are coming up with ideas, right,

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Speaker 2: they need funding for it, they make an ic I.

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Speaker 3: Think it's important to illustrate why so many coins could exist.

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Speaker 3: So it's over two thousand cryptocurrencies right now us. You

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Speaker 3: could actually create an ey L token tomorrow. The reason

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Speaker 3: why is because the currency is cold and the code

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Speaker 3: is open source. So I could go and actually see

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Speaker 3: how big cooin works, and I could actually create big

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Speaker 3: I could change the B to F and make it

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Speaker 3: fit coin and fritz coin is that that's the white paper.

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Speaker 3: That's the white paper, right, So that's how it starts.

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Speaker 3: That's how social Malkamoto, the group or whoever this individual

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Speaker 3: is bigcoin was introduced through the introduction of a white

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Speaker 3: paper and the white paper basic it was like this

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Speaker 3: cold slash business plan that said how it works, how

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Speaker 3: the code works, and everybody can see everybody can see

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Speaker 3: exactly how it works, so anybody can pick it up

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Speaker 3: and copy it. Right, But just because you pick it

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Speaker 3: up and copy it doesn't mean that people are going

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Speaker 3: to follow.

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Speaker 2: You need a community behind it too. Yeah. So like that,

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Speaker 2: that's how you get these other coins. Like if you

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Speaker 2: look now on the on like coin market cap, you'll

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Speaker 2: see like a bitcoin gold or a big city like

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Speaker 2: they'll say like, hey, we got that cold from that

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Speaker 2: white paper, but we're gonna make it even better. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: tweak it.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's like different. And another thing that was

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Speaker 4: she did was he he made it open sourced, so

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Speaker 4: anybody can change the cold It's an ongoing process of bitcoin.

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Speaker 4: It's changing. Anybody can really, you could change it, right,

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Speaker 4: It's not something that's set in stone. He did that

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Speaker 4: So his vision and how I see it is that

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Speaker 4: his vision was to eliminate the world banks and government

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Speaker 4: from like he wanted to make it peer to peer

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Speaker 4: and also open source, evolving where it's for the people.

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Speaker 3: It was actually funny enough. It goes back to my story.

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Speaker 3: Like Leam Brothers, he's great. In two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 3: he was these It derives out of the community of

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Speaker 3: libertarians and archists, so people that didn't trust the government

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Speaker 3: and there was level of high distrust amongst people from

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Speaker 3: the financial system in general. Just because Villas went down

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Speaker 3: and he had a community, he said, listen, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: create this thing that doesn't need banks. Like we could

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Speaker 3: actually work without banks. We can work without the government,

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Speaker 3: and we could transact with each other trustless. And that's

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Speaker 3: that's kind of what where the fervor came from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, all right. So we read a lot

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Speaker 2: of white peoples, man, we read a lot of white people.

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Speaker 4: So all right, so tax, right, because that's what you're

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Speaker 4: doing now with the tax. So that's another issue because

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Speaker 4: everything is so new that the government's trying to like

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Speaker 4: catch up to it. Right, So we know how like

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Speaker 4: real estate is tax a certain way stocks a tax

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Speaker 4: a certain way. It's called capital gains tax. So can

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Speaker 4: you explain the taxes on that, because that's that's what

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Speaker 4: you're working with now, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, So I'll work with a company goo token

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Speaker 3: tax and so the easy explanation is like TurboTax of

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Speaker 3: crypto and so crypto, if you trade crypto, it's very

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Speaker 3: hard to calculate your taxes because the assumption is that,

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Speaker 3: all right, I go from let's say you're from the US,

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Speaker 3: I go from dollar to crypto, and then I go

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Speaker 3: from back to crypto back to dollar.

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Speaker 2: That's when I have to pay taxes.

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Speaker 3: But actually, when you're in the crypto world, like we

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Speaker 3: said as about two thousand cryptos, you could trade from

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Speaker 3: crypto to crypto and you actually have to All those

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Speaker 3: things are taxical transactions. It's as if you when you

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Speaker 3: sell one for the other, the government actually looks at

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Speaker 3: that as a sell and a buy. And also there's

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Speaker 3: other things like you could actually work for crypto and

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Speaker 3: get paid in crypto. That's taxable. You also buy things

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Speaker 3: in crypto and you that's also a taxable transaction. So

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Speaker 3: all of that is pretty is complex to calculate. And

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Speaker 3: so the company I work with. This software basically hooks

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Speaker 3: into all the all the wallets, all the exchanges and

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Speaker 3: pullsing your transactions and converts the dollar equipment. So an

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Speaker 3: example is, all right, I go from dollar to bitcoin,

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Speaker 3: and I trade bigcoin to ethereum. Then I trade from

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Speaker 3: ethereum back to maybe ripple.

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Speaker 2: Right, I didn't go back to dollars.

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Speaker 3: But all those three transactions are tactical because when I

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Speaker 3: went from bitcoin to bitcoin to ether, there I have

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Speaker 3: to actually look at the USD value of bitcoins from

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Speaker 3: each time and convert it back, even though I didn't

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Speaker 3: go into dallars. So we allow that calculation.

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Speaker 2: And the government, I mean, they just put out an

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Speaker 2: article last week where they're going to start taxing. They

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Speaker 2: sent out ten thousand letters.

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Speaker 3: To people who So going back to how crypto started,

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Speaker 3: obviously with UH there's a lot of anarchists, libertarians, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of these people are like anti taxes because they.

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Speaker 2: Don't trust the government.

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Speaker 3: They the government is doing the right thing, and people

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Speaker 3: were under the false belief that you don't have to

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Speaker 3: pay taxes on crypto. But one of the things, one

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Speaker 3: of the one of the things that they created was

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Speaker 3: transparency in the blockchain, and so yes, the transparence, but

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Speaker 3: arrests also see that those transactions too, right, So you

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Speaker 3: actually are exposing yourself, so you actually have to pay

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Speaker 3: taxes on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And what's what's coin coin Gamma?

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Speaker 3: So coin Gamma is my own media platform. So it

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Speaker 3: started with an app that I built as a side

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Speaker 3: project in twenty fifteen. Twenty seventeen, I expanded it to

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Speaker 3: a blog as well as a podcast where I interview

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Speaker 3: leaders in the space and just provide education. And so

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Speaker 3: what we do is we write about the space, we

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Speaker 3: offer educational content, we interview leaders in the space, and

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Speaker 3: we're actually going to start coming up with digital courses

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Speaker 3: where people could kind of teach teaching. Yeah, so I've

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Speaker 3: taught some some in person classes. So I've taught in

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Speaker 3: person classes in New York City and also I've taught

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Speaker 3: at my alma Motors. So I've lectured at Warton as

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Speaker 3: well as through college around crypto blockchain. But I'll be

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Speaker 3: doing some online courses over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: I got a question, so in terms of like we

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Speaker 2: said that crypto is kind of like the wild wild

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Speaker 2: West a little bit, right, So like want to exchange

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Speaker 2: and We've seen this happen a bunch of times. Want

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Speaker 2: to exchange completely disappears, Right, how does someone even recoup

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Speaker 2: a try to figure out the taxes on that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the IRS hasn't given clear guidance around there.

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Speaker 3: So this is a disclaimer. Does not tax device. Confirm

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Speaker 3: this with your tax account tax expert. But you could

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Speaker 3: either if it's an exchange, if it's a coin that

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Speaker 3: because it was only an exchange, it doesn't exist anymore.

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Speaker 2: You could.

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Speaker 3: Basically what we've had people do is they've actually written

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Speaker 3: enough at zero and basically it's like I lost everything

619
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Speaker 3: on it, right, But if it's something like bigcoin that

620
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Speaker 3: exists but the exchange just went out, you you just

621
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Speaker 3: lost it, like you can't really write it off, right,

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Speaker 3: That's I guess we jumped a little levels. We could

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Speaker 3: talk about the risks like there's market risk, but actually

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Speaker 3: just like operational risks in this space, that makes it very.

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Speaker 4: Hard to I was going to ask you, like, okay,

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Speaker 4: one on one, Right, if somebody wants to start investing

627
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Speaker 4: in cryptocurrency, right, they have a thousand dollars and they

628
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Speaker 4: want they want to do it because it's not it's easy. Well,

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Speaker 4: all right, how do you invest in cryptocurrency?

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Speaker 3: All right? I mean it depends where you are, but

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Speaker 3: if you're in the US, you take it. You have

632
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Speaker 3: to take your dollars, you have to be you have

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Speaker 3: to transact on exchange that actually takes fiat, which is

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Speaker 3: dollars and converts to crypto. Not most exchanges actually do

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Speaker 3: not do that. So you mentioned Finance earlier. Finance doesn't

636
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Speaker 3: take dollars, right, most, but there are some major exchanges

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Speaker 3: in the US that take dollars and converted for you.

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Speaker 3: And it's similar to like buying something on PayPal. Right,

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Speaker 3: so Coinbase is the most popular. Another one is rott

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Speaker 3: is robbin robber, Right, that just happened in New York, Right,

641
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Speaker 3: we just got that. Another one is the cash app, Right,

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Speaker 3: So if you use you used the cash app to

643
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Speaker 3: pay friends or family for you know, dinner or something

644
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Speaker 3: like that. You actually could buy big cooin in the

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Speaker 3: same way. But if you wanted to buy another cryptocurrency,

646
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Speaker 3: so if it's if it's a crypt currency. So not

647
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: all cryptocurrencies on every change. So if there's a crypt

648
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: if so, Coinbase has a limited supply of cryptos. Same

649
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: thing as as same thing with the other apps I mentioned,

650
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: so the cash app as well as the robbin of app.

651
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: But if you want to do some of the other cryptos,

652
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: you actually have to basically buy the bigcoin or ethereum

653
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: or on coin base, then move it to the other

654
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: exchange right and then you could transact on the change.

655
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: And that's how people get caught up here. It's extremely

656
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: complicated toorius.

657
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: Big had a legendary line, he said, shiokly for live man,

658
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: not for fresh cryptocurrency. Don't play around with it if

659
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: you don't understand what you're doing.

660
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Because there's been plenty of days where we got calls

661
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: like yo, not money, didn't go through. What happened? What happened.

662
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: Actually, it's probably gotten more user friendly now. I don't

663
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: even look at it anymore. I have my money invested,

664
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: but I don't look at it. But at one point

665
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: I was looking at it every day. But it was

666
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: extremely complicated when we first got in because you had to,

667
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 4: like you said, you can't buy crypto currency with American dollars.

668
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: You can trade dollars for bitcoin or ethereum or ethereum

669
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: or light coin and coin base at that time that time,

670
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: and then you can buy the other coins. It was

671
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: mainly Bitcoin or ethereum. Some of them you can buy

672
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: a light coin, but must of them. So you had

673
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: so let's say you wanted to buy tron, right, you

674
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: had to exchange American money for bitcoin on coin Base.

675
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: From coin Base, you had to send your bigcoin to

676
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: Finance Exchange and it went now it's in Finance, then

677
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: now it's in binance.

678
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: Now don't skip the step because that that the transaction

679
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: speed was so slow, which is one of the things

680
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: about bitcoin. So you had to So let's say you

681
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: sent a thousand or five thousand dollars right, it would

682
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: take maybe a half hour before it even.

683
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: Got Bitcoin was oh d I remember one kind Bitcoin

684
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: took me five hours. I'm like, where's the customer service? Like,

685
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, going on, it's crazy. But the crazy thing

686
00:33:59,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean if you.

687
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: If I was to if I was on the Venmo

688
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: or cash app and I sent it to the wrong person,

689
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: I could hit up cash at and say, yo, I

690
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: sent it, Ye, you made mistake, give me a charge back.

691
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: If I said, if I Big America and I put

692
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: that wire the money the wrong person, I can call

693
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: them Big America. It may a mistake because this thing

694
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: is decentralized, is owned by you, and it's owned you

695
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: also mistakes.

696
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: It's in the black hole now so so then all right,

697
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: so now it's in binance, and then from now you

698
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: have to buy tron with the bitcoin and binance. So

699
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: it's like a three part process. What happens is that

700
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 4: and then you had so when you send it, they

701
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: send you a code. It's a code that you have

702
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 4: to put in to send it to one place to another.

703
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: This is something that is extremely important. This happened to me.

704
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 4: Happened to me on my birthday two years ago. I

705
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: was I sent five hundred dollars. I was trying to

706
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: buy bigcoin gold or was it bitcoin cash. There's another bitcoin,

707
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 4: whether bitcoin cash, bitcoin case. I was trying to buy

708
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: bitcoin cash, but I put the hold for bitcoin. Long

709
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: story short, I sent the wrong code. After I said,

710
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, so I go back. I'm like, I said,

711
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 4: five hundred dollars, but I sent it to the wrong address.

712
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: I'm going. Now it's going. It's it's nobody to track it.

713
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: It's just it's in the universe.

714
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: Somebody else gone.

715
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 4: Somebody lost like twenty one bitcoins like that, they lost

716
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: twenty one bitcoins because they sent it to the wrong

717
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: address or something and just gone.

718
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man. But like even like that, it was

719
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: like there's so many steps to it, like this is

720
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: not like we weren't sleeping like legit were sleeping. It

721
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'm not eve gonna do

722
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: this transaction to the morning, but by the time you

723
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: wake up, the value could have gone up by like

724
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: a thousand.

725
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: So because of that, you probably do moving so fast

726
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: and frantic because you I gotta buy this, gotta bother this,

727
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: and that leaves you open to making that mistakes even

728
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 3: if you are sho now it's moving like a fiend.

729
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: I was moving now.

730
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: I was moving like a fiend, like because it was like,

731
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: we gotta do this right now. Oh they just so

732
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: I'm like halfway like a week trying to do this

733
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: on my phone and it's like damn, like I didn't

734
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: really have time to really think about it. But you

735
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: become addicted. You can. It's very addictive, especially at that

736
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: time because there was so much money being made and

737
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: it was moving so fast, and anything with crypto is

738
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: that it's twenty four hours. It's like the stock market

739
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 4: on steroids, stock market, they close. They you know, it's

740
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: way more structure. Cryptos like the wild wild West. It's

741
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: twenty four hours a day, and you have with these

742
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: called whales, and these whales are like these are like

743
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 4: the big dogs, like the cryptos. Really it's really controlled.

744
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: It's like all things. Even though it was made for

745
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: the people, it's only controlled by like a handful of

746
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: people that have millions, billions of dollars and they move it.

747
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: They move the market so crazy and.

748
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: They sellcoin's gonna drop exactly right now.

749
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: They know they know what they're doing. So it's like

750
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: it's hard to day trade in that space because you

751
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: get eating up. You get eating up.

752
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: That's what I saying. Like even if you're sitting in

753
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: front of your computer, it's like you can't watch them

754
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: all like it. I mean, this was like no sleep

755
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: for like two months. Like you'll get text message like

756
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: a group chat. It would be like I remember what

757
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: tron went from less than a penny to like fifteen cents.

758
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: I was like to thank you text for just coming in.

759
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm like I woke up, like yo, what happened? Like

760
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: I missed it?

761
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying now because I brought Tron

762
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: at two cents and it went to thirty eight cents.

763
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: I think the highest that it got to it thirty

764
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 4: eight cents. So that's why, like I said, when I

765
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: went to swim from six thousand to twenty eight thousand,

766
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: I had a couple I brought Ripple at like ninety

767
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: cents and I sold Ripple at like three dollars and

768
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: fifteen cents. So it was like the good Times was rolling.

769
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: Good Times was rolling. The good Times is rolling. But

770
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: all right, so can we talk about like you said, okay,

771
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 4: so now we got established of how to actually buy it,

772
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: how do you evaluate coins? Like, how do you know

773
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: which coin to buy?

774
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: Like?

775
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: How did somebody do that?

776
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a hard one. I think the space is early.

777
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: None of a lot of these things are moving. A

778
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 3: lot of these things are actually pre products, right, So

779
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 3: people a lot of these coins out there are raising

780
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: money on a hope.

781
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: Right. They're going out there and they're.

782
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: Pitching like a white paper, which is like their business plan,

783
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: and they're saying, all right, well if you give us

784
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: the money, and you'll get a coin and you will

785
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: be able to use it for X, Y and z,

786
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: and you have to study that. You have to look

787
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: at their technology, right, because sometimes a lot of these

788
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: coins actually are like you said, you took a bigcoin goal,

789
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: bigcoin cash, there's like a bunch of big coins. There's

790
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: light coin. There's a bunch of coins that actually are

791
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 3: trying to do exactly what the major ones are doing.

792
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: And what they're doing is tweaking it and say all right,

793
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: we're going to be faster, we're going more secure, all

794
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And so you have to figure

795
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: out whether that story resonates with you, right, So you

796
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: have to study that. But most importantly, you could believe that,

797
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: but because of supply demand is actually you need other

798
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: people believe it too, right, Like you could believe in

799
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: that new Christian Islamic religion or that new whatever religion. Right,

800
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: but you may be the only person at church or

801
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: a mosque or the or whatever by yourself, right unless

802
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: you bring it. So it is very religious in certain

803
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: spects because it's their community aspects. Because of the value

804
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: of these of these assets are them going up, so

805
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: you need more people to buy it, or they're able

806
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: to be used amongst the community between each other. So

807
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: if you're the only person that if you get into

808
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: it and then people don't follow you, or a community

809
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: doesn't follow you, then they're not gonna go up, no

810
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: matter how strong you believe it to be. So you

811
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: not only have to analyze the fundamentals of it, you

812
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: also have to read what other people think about. So

813
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: a lot of research is actually spending time on Twitter,

814
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: spending time on Reddit, spending time on these apps like

815
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: Telegram and discord where people are talking and seeing what

816
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: the energy is like. And so it makes no sense

817
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: to have to make your investment decisions based on what

818
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: other people think. But in this space is just the

819
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: way it is now.

820
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: They got they got the whole terminology like hold total

821
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 4: total h O L D h O d L hold

822
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: on for their life.

823
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, to the moon was like rocket. It was like

825
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: when something was going up to the moon. That when

826
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: they called those all coins shit coins, it's.

827
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: Old coins with just any coin outside of the top three.

828
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: Really basically, you know.

829
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: It's a whole culture. Cryptocurrency was a whole culture.

830
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we studied it down to the t right

831
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: when we started. I know, Shoddy when he's amazing with numbers,

832
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: So he started studying the market caps for each one,

833
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: and then after we saw the market caps, we saw

834
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: the coin supply. Right, like when you said that they

835
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: have twenty one million, that means like, yo, in this space,

836
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: that's pretty limited. But then you get a coin that

837
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: that will come out as like there's only two thousand

838
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: of it, right, whereas like Ripple was like something like

839
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: crazy billion or something like that. It's crazy, you know

840
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So like you can see like, hey,

841
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: what's the growth on that. It's sixty five billion, and

842
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: it's only at like right now, it's probably like fifty

843
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: one cent. It's like, well, how high can this really go?

844
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: This ain't gonna be a twenty dollars, you know what

845
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's too many of them.

846
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: But here's the problem with show. You know, we talked

847
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: about the Fiat currencies like the dollar, year, et cetera,

848
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: and how there's each they have like a federal reserve

849
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: that could create unlimited supply. A big coin doesn't have

850
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: like a group of people. All these other coins actually

851
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: are centralized, so they're actually a little bit more like

852
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: Fiat money. So yes, they could go out with the

853
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: white people says that we're gonna limit it, but there's

854
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: been coins that like they were out and like the

855
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: they just the people that were behind it or the

856
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: company behind it decided to.

857
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: Just change the call we're gonna do more. Yeah, we're

858
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: gonna do more.

859
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: Right, And there's no you know that it's it's a

860
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: wild West because there's no sec to like stop them.

861
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: There's like there's a lot of coin you know, in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, a lot of coins you know, raise all

863
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: that money and they were supposed to come out with

864
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: things and they bounced.

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00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: Right, feel took my money.

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00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary, but like I think one thing that

867
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: you know ra Sean talked about earlier is like you

868
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: put six ks like that was that was what you

869
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: could lose, Like even to this day, like I don't

870
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: put money you could lose, like do not. At that time,

871
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: I would get text with people like hey, like my

872
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: retirement's not right, like putting money in retirement.

873
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: And like nah, only play with what you could lose.

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't don't play with the big boys if

875
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 4: you're not if you're not ready, man, because like I said,

876
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: now it's real talk. We don't have control over this.

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 4: It's very and we have control over anything but especially

878
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: crypto because it's very thin. It's very thin, and that's

879
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 4: one of the things that actually got me involved. Once

880
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: I saw the market cap. I saw the market cap,

881
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 4: it was like one hundred what's the market cap.

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00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: Now, it's probably like two hundred and the two hundred.

883
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: Million, right, no, no billion?

884
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got a pretty hot to like nine

885
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: hundred a trillion.

886
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was supposed hit a trillion by the time.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was even at a billion at

888
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 4: that time. I think it was like nine hundred million

889
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: something like that Bone Story show. Even where it's at

890
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: now a couple hundred billion, that's not a lot of money.

891
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: That sounds like a lot of money, but that's really

892
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: not a lot of It's really not.

893
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: A lot because if you look at traditional assets. I

894
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: tell people all the time, Yeah, the whole crypto market

895
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: is two hundred and fifty billion dollars, but guess what,

896
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: Fidelity one investment shop has seven trillion of assets. That's

897
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: the fact for themselves, seven trillion, right, So like this

898
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 3: is this is a spectam.

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Speaker 4: When I first got into it, I'm like, look, it's

900
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: a lot more room for it to grow because the

901
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: market value is so low, and that's one of the

902
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: things that made me get into and that's one of

903
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 4: the reasons why I still actually hold out hope because

904
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: I feel like.

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00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: That's why I said, if it was going to die now,

906
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: I would have died over the last year.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right.

908
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: It's like people people gave it the bigcoin went down,

909
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: people like it's over, like it's a wrap, and it

910
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: came back up, and it's trading, kind of trading, and

911
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 3: we never know why.

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00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: It's just people to belief, you said, right, it's the belief.

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Speaker 4: My graduates from my school being forced back. Drop bags drop,

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Speaker 4: oh my drop beg drops.

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