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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg dayba QT podcast, available every morning

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Speaker 2: on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Monday, the

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Speaker 2: fourth of March in London. I'm Caroline Hepka and.

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Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Investors fear pre election

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Speaker 3: giveaways by the UK's Chancellor Jeremy Hunt could force the

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Speaker 3: Bank of England to slow rate cuts.

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Speaker 2: China prepares to announce its latest growth target as the

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Speaker 2: country's economic challenges mount, and.

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Speaker 3: We take a closer look at the small lender which

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Speaker 3: helped to fuel a giant property bubble in Germany.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories.

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Speaker 3: One of the UK's top retail CEOs says tax cuts

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Speaker 3: in this week's budget would be irresponsible. AO World founder

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Speaker 3: John Roberts told Bloomberg he expects the government to spray

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Speaker 3: around a load of unaffordable tax cuts to try to

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Speaker 3: win votes. The Chancellor, Jeremy Hunt says that isn't the plan.

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Speaker 4: I do think in the long run we need to

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Speaker 4: move back to being a lower taxed, more likely regulated economy.

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Speaker 4: But it would be deeply unconservative to cut taxes in

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Speaker 4: a way that increase borrowing wasn't fully funded.

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Speaker 3: But Hunt's words have people speculating any fiscal moves they're

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Speaker 3: either minimal or a factor in large public spending cuts

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Speaker 3: to pay for them. The Treasury is also announced to

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Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty million pound package to fund manufacturing

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Speaker 3: investment ahead of the budget. The Chancellor says he intends

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Speaker 3: to make the UK a world leader in manufacturing.

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Speaker 4: What I've learned as Chancellor is you can't have a

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Speaker 4: massive impact on one month's GDP figures or another month's

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Speaker 4: inflation figures, but you can make profound changes that improve

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Speaker 4: the ability of our economy to grow.

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Speaker 3: Hunt hasn't specified how much of the three hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty million pounds will come from the government and how

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Speaker 3: much from companies.

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Speaker 2: The news comes as investors in the UK bond market

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Speaker 2: are carefully watching the budget for any signs of reckless spending.

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Speaker 2: Chancellor Hunt's statement is going to be a signal to

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Speaker 2: investors about Britain's direction this year. Bloomberg's James Wilcock has more.

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Speaker 5: Prudence or popularity, That's the question many in the bond

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Speaker 5: market think Hunt faces. Some expect very limited spending given

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Speaker 5: fear of even the echo of a Liz Trust style

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Speaker 5: mini budget. Other traders are watching for electioneering giveaways that

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Speaker 5: could add to inflation and push back the Bank of

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Speaker 5: England's interest rate cuts. Any fiscal stimulus risks adding to

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Speaker 5: an already poor backdrop for UK bonds. The yield on

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Speaker 5: two year government guilts has risen at more than sixty

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Speaker 5: bases points since the start of the year, the most

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Speaker 5: in the developed world in London, James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 3: The UK government is also planning to lower the threshold

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Speaker 3: to qualify as an Angel investor, reversing a change made

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Speaker 3: earlier this year. The Treasury says the income and net

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Speaker 3: asset criteria area for high net worth and sophisticated investors

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Speaker 3: will be reset at one hundred thousand and two hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty thousand pounds. That's after the thresholds were raised

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Speaker 3: at the end of January, prompting criticism from investors at

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Speaker 3: the time. Entrepreneur and Angel investor Grace Beverley told Bloomberg

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Speaker 3: Radio the increase would hinder female led businesses.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see this legislation reviewed. It's to me,

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable that this would not have flugged up as

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Speaker 1: something that would hugely disproportionately affect women and disadvantage founders,

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Speaker 1: and therefore absolutely should not go ahead, or there should

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Speaker 1: be things in place to enable for there to be

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Speaker 3: Let's founder and investor Grace Beverly speaking to Boomberg Radio

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Speaker 3: at the end of January. Further legislative changes to expand

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Speaker 3: the pool of eligible investors are also expected.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's send our attention to China, which will unveil

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Speaker 2: its twenty twenty four growth target and strategy to support

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Speaker 2: the economy at the country's highest profile political gathering this week.

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Speaker 2: Premier League Kyang will deliver the work report for the

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Speaker 2: first time at the National People's Congress on Tuesday. Boomberg

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Speaker 2: Stephen Engel says that Chinese citizens are looking for indications

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Speaker 6: Everyone says clearly the economy is not doing well. They

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Speaker 6: also want clear science from the government that they are

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Speaker 6: at the core of that is property. The property market

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg's chief North Asia correspondent Stephen Engel speaking there. The

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Speaker 2: growth target is expected to remain the same as last

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Speaker 3: Oil prices are trading close to their highest level so

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Speaker 3: The organization will now maintain their two million barrel a

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Speaker 3: WTI futures rose by two percent after the news was

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Speaker 2: US Vice President Kamala Harris is calling for a temporary

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Speaker 2: between the two sides. Here's what Kamala Harris had to

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Speaker 6: Given the immense scale of suffering in Gaza. There must

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Speaker 3: This will get the hostages.

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Speaker 7: Out and get a significant amount of aid in Kamala.

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Speaker 2: Harris, speaking after US officials revealed that is has it

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Speaker 2: essentially agreed to a six week cea SPA if her

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Speaker 2: mass hands over hostages categorized as vulnerable. However, reports suggests

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Speaker 2: that the militant group is currently refusing to say which

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Speaker 2: hostages are still alive. Harris is due to meet Israel's

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Speaker 2: Benny Gant, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Etannia Who's

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Speaker 2: war cabinet, at the White House later today. Now just

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Speaker 2: a moment, we'll get more on the budget, which will

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Speaker 2: be one of the flagship events of course of this

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Speaker 2: week in economic terms. Jeremy hunt A speaking on Wednesday Thursday,

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Speaker 2: get the ECB meeting. We'll be discussing that though, with

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Speaker 2: our UK correspondent Lizzie Burden having said that, have you

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Speaker 2: followed this other story that caught my eyes on the

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Speaker 2: Bloombag Tannel this morning? The Crooked House saga? Do you

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Speaker 2: know of this the pub that wasn't especially this fantastic

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Speaker 2: pub in the Midlands just outside of Dudley, basically two

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty year old pub suffered a fire and

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Speaker 2: then was suspiciously bulldozed by the owners without permission from

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Speaker 2: the council. There has been months of uproar about this

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Speaker 2: how to rebuild it. Patently, it's going to cost about

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Speaker 2: a million quid if not more to rebuild what is

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Speaker 2: a very small was a very small building. But it's

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Speaker 2: on actually the huge number of pubs that if they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, buildings that are subject to preservation orders and essentially

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Speaker 3: Fergus Sullivan has been writing about some of the examples

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Speaker 3: of this. The Crooked House of course, is one that

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Speaker 3: about that. But there's the Carlton Tavern in North London,

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Speaker 3: the Pont Bowlin in Lancashire as well, ordered to reconstruct

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Speaker 2: Yes, very very difficult, and it would sort of seem

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Speaker 2: quite strange when we have such a lack of sort

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Speaker 2: of affordable housing and the difficulties of building at the UK,

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Speaker 2: that you would spend so much money doing this, But

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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of notionally. It's sort of part

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Speaker 2: loved that actually that the punishment for sort of maybe

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Speaker 2: tearing them down, if that is what happened, is quite severe.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a really nice piece. It's on the

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg terminal this morning from Ferguso Sullivan.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's turned to the political week ahead of us

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Speaker 3: in the UK. Jeremy Hunt preparing to present his budget

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday, facing pressure to deliver tax cuts that could

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Speaker 3: provide a timely elector boost for the struggling Conservative Party,

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Speaker 3: with the fragile state of the UK's public finances also

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Speaker 3: presenting fromidable obstacles for the Treasury. Joining us now to

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Speaker 3: discuss Boinberg's UK correspondent Lizzie Burden, So, Lizzie, Jeremy Hunt

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Speaker 3: says that he'll be prudent and responsible, but it appears

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Speaker 3: the plan is either to cut income tax or national insurance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a major moment in terms of shaping

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Speaker 8: the UK electoral campaign. It could be the Chancellor, Jeremy

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Speaker 8: Hunt's last opportunity to woo voters because there might not

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Speaker 8: be time for an autumn statement before an election. And

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Speaker 8: over the weekend he was trying to row back expectations

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Speaker 8: from January when he promised that tax cuts would spark

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Speaker 8: Sunday cover. Now, as you say, his emphasis is to

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Speaker 8: be prudent and responsible, so a side eye to the

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Speaker 8: Tory backbenches now that the economy is in recession, now

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Speaker 8: that he perhaps has less head room than expected, and

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Speaker 8: in his plans. He did hint at giveaways. He talked

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Speaker 8: as you say, there's speculation about whether he's going to

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Speaker 8: the inflationary impact of a cut to income tax, But

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Speaker 8: you have to ask how much electoral gain there is

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Speaker 8: to be had from cutting these taxes. The autumn statements

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Speaker 8: unsurprisingly because people still feel poorer because the tax take

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Speaker 2: Okay, and what about other policies. The idea potentially of

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Speaker 2: scrapping non domicile tax status, I mean, this has also

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: To raise money for the other tax cuts, Hunt's going

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Speaker 8: and find money from lots of corners. So, for example,

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Speaker 8: he could abolish the non dom tax status it allows

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Speaker 8: seventy thousand people to avoid paying tax on their overseas earnings. That,

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Speaker 8: as you say, would help him raise more money. It

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Speaker 8: would also help him steal labours, put political clothes, and

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Speaker 8: leave them hamstrung for cash. Because they've said they won't

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Speaker 8: raise the three main rates of income tax, national insurance

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Speaker 8: or VAT. You have to wonder, Caroline, why they didn't

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Speaker 8: to keep the non doms on side? Will they bring

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Speaker 8: back the loophole under a different name. And of course

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Speaker 8: it's also tricky for Rishi Sunak because in twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: wife Akshattamurti, and she since of course agreed to pay

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Speaker 8: the tax on her overseas earnings.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Liszie, we've had this announcement from the Treasury about

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Speaker 3: a three hundred and sixty million pound package to boost manufacturing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Just the other day on this very program, Caroline and

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Speaker 8: I spoke to the COO of make UK calling on

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Speaker 8: the government to prioritize British manufacturing. Here appears to be

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Speaker 8: the response. It isn't clear how much of the money

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Speaker 8: the government itself is going to front, but the point

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Speaker 8: demand on the Chancellor at this budget. This sends from

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely in three hundred and sixty million pounds surely

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Speaker 2: can't be an enormous package for life sciences, automotive and aerospace,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the sun total of things, but very

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Speaker 2: interesting anyway, Lizzie, thank you so much for being with

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Speaker 2: Lizzie Bunnen, You're going to have a very busy week.

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Speaker 3: We're turning now to a different story we're following this morning.

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Speaker 3: Core State Capital started out as a small real estate

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Speaker 3: investor focused on Germany. Now the firm's on the ropes

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Speaker 3: and its role and that of other private credits firms

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Speaker 3: that the nexus of German real estate boom turned boss

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Speaker 3: is becoming clearer. Let's get the details from our asset

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Speaker 3: management and credit reporter Laura Benitez has been reporting on

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Speaker 3: this this morning. Laura, let's start first of all with

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Speaker 3: core State itself. What is it and what was the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the corotate started out as a small lender, but

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Speaker 7: that changed over the years and the firm ended up

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Speaker 7: financing some of the wild abates on German property. For example,

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Speaker 7: it used mountains of cheap money to fund thinly capitalize

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Speaker 7: And the low for investors was the very attractive interest

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Speaker 7: rates that Correstate pitched you returned up to around thirteen

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Speaker 7: interest rates were negative, that was a huge draw with

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Speaker 7: the pension insurance funds that were looking to choose returns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what went wrong?

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Speaker 7: All the sudden shift in interest rates appended correstates model

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Speaker 7: saddled with projects that just couldn't finish in debtlerds they

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Speaker 7: just couldn't eventually afford. Another key part of this story

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Speaker 7: is the intricate relationships between the firm and its owners

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Speaker 7: from outside investors. So, for instance, often the developers whose

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Speaker 7: projects Correstate financed were actually owned in part by Correstate's

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Speaker 7: the projects on for huge prices before they were even completed.

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Speaker 3: So who's last out here, Laura.

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Speaker 7: So the pension funds and insurers and the wealthy clients

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Speaker 7: were all drawn to the fund, but they're still waiting

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Speaker 7: for the firm to return assets and to sell assets

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Speaker 7: and to be repaid. At the same time, some of

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Speaker 7: the firms. The largest bondholders, which include Fidelity and Pimco,

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Speaker 7: are sitting on some really steep losses. So for instance,

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Speaker 7: around four hundred million euros of bonds have already been

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Speaker 7: written down to zero, so some very big losses already.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what does it mean then for existing investors

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Speaker 7: I think just generally, we're seeing many real estate firms

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Speaker 7: you know, for instance, Adler and Signer become an emblem

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Speaker 7: which has allowed firms like them to kind of continue

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Speaker 7: drawing investors in. But now we're seeing the real come

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Speaker 3: Of course, in a week that we're getting an ECB decision,

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Speaker 7: Laura, Yeah, I think all eyes will be on you

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Speaker 7: know how quickly interest rates come down, and how quickly,

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Speaker 7: you know, relatestate fans can actually continue to sell those

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Speaker 7: those values might be crystallized and how the losses might

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