WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 4/30: Draft Recap, Pats Draft Class Breakdown, Dane Brugler Interview 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.400 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.200 Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.760 Hell everybody nailed it, joined us always by our Bara. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.800 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars I. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:30.920 I know Ben Jonson's a nerd and they don't like 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.640 running guys the way they operated in Detroit. I think 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.000 he may be one of these nerds that is a 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.480 little softer on the running back thing than everybody else. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.720 But you will disown that guy so fast from the 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:42.360 nerd community. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.599 Yeah, if you take a running this is what you 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.760 you you if you want until they you dumb nerd 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:49.159 stuff and then you just own them and you. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.000 Say, because it's not like a nerd, but all do, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:52.840 but this isn't. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.520 That's not nerd. Of they didn't do it, neither team 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:03.280 they Yeah, you're right, Jaguars not exactly full nerd. Trading 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.679 up and giving up capital is not usual. No, No, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.440 that's a RAMS thing. A lot of value in the 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.440 picks is actually more of a nerd thing. But that's okay. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.520 Travis Hunter not a running back last time I checked. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.640 Colston Lovelin not a running back last time they're. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.720 Coting to play Travis Hunter both ways full time is 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:25.960 a pretty big nerd thing because you're not accounting the 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.800 human element of stamina. You're just looking at what the 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:29.800 data tells you he can do. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.520 Because Travis Hunter has had no success at a high 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.040 level of football, doing. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.039 Is the NFL is a little different than the Big twelve. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:41.600 Anyways, Travis Hunter, Jaguars Catch, excited to do it. This 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.320 is not Jaguars Catch. So hello everybody. On that note, Hi, Hello, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.320 Evan Lazar, Alex Barth with you for the next couple 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:55.200 hours here a very special exciting show today, post draft show, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.680 big show for us, and I just want to lay 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.320 out the agenda here today. Alex and I are going 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.600 to do our normal show for the first like hour 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.120 forty hour, forty five minutes here today, and then at 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.359 the end of the show you're going to want to 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.680 stay all the way to the end because yesterday we 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.440 were able to sit down with Dan Brugler from The 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.200 Athletic the Beast himself and discuss the Patriots draft class 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.440 and why Dane ranked the Patriots as the best draft 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.160 in the entire NFL. So we're jam packed today, so 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.640 that means calls and emails I'm not sure we're going 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.440 to get to those today because we want to go 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.720 pick by pick through all eleven picks, and then obviously 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.640 you guys all want to hear what Dane has to 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.200 say at the end of the show as well, So 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.160 we got a lot to get to. On that note, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.480 I do want to start with just our big picture 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:47.680 thoughts on the draft, and I would just start by saying, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.600 we're all very excited about what the Patriots have done 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.640 this offseason. We're all very optimistic about this ero with 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.520 Mike Rabel and Elliott Wolf and Ryan Cowden and Stretch 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.480 and the whole gang and draft they put together was fantastic. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.560 And I'm not that's not Sunshine dot com Like, I 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.480 really thought it was a great draft. Yeah, I thought 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.320 it was a great draft that they had. That said, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.880 I do want to keep expectations a little bit in check. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.680 I hear a lot of playoffs conversations right now about 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.919 this team. Yeah, we're let's see what the team looks 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.400 like in training camp in the preseason before we start 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.240 talking about playoffs. All right, It's we got a ways 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.639 to go until that's, you know, back to back four 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.880 win seasons to playoffs. But they're headed in the right direction. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.880 The most encouraging thing I thought from a big picture 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.000 standpoint with this draft, Alex was the feel for the board, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.560 and the feel for the board married with UH getting 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.480 their needs checked, but also doing it with the board 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.160 in mind right and not reaching for need or missing 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.640 runs on positions of need or anything like that that 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.960 maybe we saw a little bit of in the twenty 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.680 four draft. The twenty five draft, it seemed a lot more. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.000 To use Elliott what Wells word organized, Like, they felt 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.680 more organized. The draft made more sense. It felt more 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.280 routine for them. So when he came out and said 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.560 this was more organized this process, it showed you could 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.880 feel it. It was tangible. There was evidence of it 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.279 being more organized. So that's all very exciting. Like I said, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.360 we'll get to the individual picks as we go here today, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.880 But what were your big picture thoughts on the draft? 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.520 Yeah, kind of the same thing. I thought. The biggest 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.600 thing that stood out to me was the big debate 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.279 beyond the players themselves, Like the big philosophical debate for 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.440 me for the Patriots in this draft was drafting for 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.279 need versus best player available, and then how much should 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.640 you value premium position. How much ald premium position factor 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.120 into that? And I thought they walked the line between 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.120 those two things incredibly well. You know, you look at 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.640 their first pick and Will Campbell. That was not to 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.480 say he wasn't arguably the best player available, you know, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.320 for what they had, but you know, ash Gent, he 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.040 would have been the pure best player available pick. Right, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.520 We've talked about that. But they go out, they address 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.000 their biggest need at a premium position right off the top, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.480 and then what do they do. They come back at 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.160 pick thirty eight, and that was a pure best player 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.120 available pick if Luther Burden wasn't on their board. And 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.480 you could debate whether or not that's right, but I 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.000 think we all kind of assumed they weren't going to 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.760 draft Luthor Burden. So if Luther Burn's not on their board, 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.800 there's a real argument they're right there at Trevion Henderson's 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.880 just best player available, so you know, and they kind 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.239 of went back and forth on that. And I thought 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:34.760 the other thing is they did a really good job 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.800 of supporting Drake may I thought this draft helped out 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.720 Drake May a ton and I said this a lot 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.040 into the lead up, and I'll say it again, what's 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.800 best for the football team is what's best for Drake 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.160 May and vice versa. At this point, Drake May is 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.719 their best asset. They need to maximize him. They last 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.719 time they draft a quarterback. Now there were other issues there, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.320 but last time the draft a quarterback, they did not 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.080 do that. This felt like them doing that, especially after 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.200 free agencies and people were nervous, and I get why, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.440 Like they signed all these defensive players and didn't at 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.200 Morgan Moses. I think the ones true starter they added 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.720 in free agency on offense, which is fun, step on 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.640 to roll, like the initial Waight Yeah, Stefan Diggs just 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.760 a good point. But like I think a lot of 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.200 these picks. You know, you go out, you get a 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.280 really good yards after catch receiver, you get a three 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.919 down running back who's a home run threat. You get 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.279 obviously starting left tackle, right, starting later, starting center. So 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.839 I think that they did a lot to invest in 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.839 Drake May. Now May has to prove that those investments 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.920 are worthwhile, right, which we all think he can do. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.599 But they invested in Drake May, which I love. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.240 All Right, let's get to it. Let's get to the 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.440 nitty gritty. Yeah, you it's not waste any time here 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:40.200 today deliberating big picture thoughts. But I think the we've 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.640 talked so much about Will Campbell over the last five months. Yeah, 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.480 I don't have a ton to add on Will Campbell, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.080 So I don't want to spend a ton of time 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.960 on Will Campbell. I do feel like though, you know, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.560 I'm writing our future series that we'll have on every pick, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.960 all eleven picks. We're gonna start rolling those out soon 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.640 on the website. And I have talked to his offensive 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.960 line coach at LSU, Duke Mannyweather, some other people that 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.560 have worked with Will Campbell have been around Will Campbell. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.640 I got to spend ten minutes with him even on 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.840 Patriots Unfiltered last week. So I've now that I've gotten 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.720 to know him a little bit just from talking to 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:29.720 people in his life. I understand the intangible even more. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.160 And we talked a ton about the intangible stuff. We 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.440 talked a ton about the tangible the football on this show, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:41.360 and we have deliberated and debated all the different pros 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.720 and cons and poked every single hole in Will Campbell's 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.280 game that we possibly could. But what I think I 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.800 keep coming back to his offensive line coach Brad Davis 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:54.240 at LSU told me that he re established the culture 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.600 of the LSU offensive line room, you know, in terms 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:02.120 of work ethic and competitiveness and putting in those extra 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.160 you know a couple minutes you know, after practice and 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.640 in the weight room and in the film room and 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.520 in the cold tub and in the you know, with 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.080 the doctors and the nutritionists and like all these different things. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.920 And when you start to think about it, and his 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.960 offensive line coach even pointed out to me that he 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.160 actually spent a lot of his own money, his NIO money, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:28.000 on working with specialists, you know, physical therapists, trainers, you know, 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.840 things like that. This guy, as he as Dave has 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.480 put it to me, has been a pro for like 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.000 two or three years already at LSU because he's been 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.960 conducting himself that way and completely re established or built 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.240 the culture back up from twenty nineteen when they won 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.959 the Joe Moore Award, you know, Joe Burrow and Jefferson 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.160 and had a great offensive line in twenty nineteen, they 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:52.800 took a little bit of a step back for a 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.079 couple of years. Will Campbell arrives on campus and then 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.520 they are, you know, one of the better offensive lines 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.240 in the country from that point on. So as much 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.600 as I feel like fans here, let's talk about all 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.560 this leadership and and tangible stuff, And they say, well, 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.080 if that's the first thing you're saying about the player, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.200 then he might maybe is he not really that good 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:14.200 of a football player? 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.319 Three months talking about how good of a football player. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.480 This is on top of the fact that he is 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.160 a really good football player, And that's what gets you 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.360 as an offensive lineman or as last year, I heard 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.200 a lot of the same things when I did the 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.520 feature on Drake May It's that's how you get to 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.079 be the number four overall pick. You don't go number 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.480 four overall most of the time simply just because you're 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.120 an overwhelming talent. A lot of the time you go 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.040 for overall because of the entire package that you bring to. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.040 The table a program player. Yeah, and I think that's 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.480 what they're getting in Will Campbell. And you're, like you said, 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.880 we've covered him extensively for last four months. I don't 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.760 know how much more there is to really add at 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.880 this point, but I'm with you in the sense that 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.720 you know he's going to be good for the program. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.080 I don't expect there to be much of a learning 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.160 curve with him in terms of, you know, being a rookie, 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.040 being a kid and figuring things out. I think he 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.920 kind of has it all, you know, outwardly, it seems 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.120 like he has a lot figured out at this point, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.400 which is very impressed at twenty one years old. That's 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.200 the other thing I'll remind people because I think you 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.640 hear so much about his leadership and his experience and 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:24.040 this and that, but you know, people talk about I 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.360 think people don't realize he just turned twenty one in January. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.640 So this is a young guy. And from a football standpoint, like, wow, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.920 you could have yeah, breaking thing, no idea, what do 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.760 we do it? From a football standpoint, he has a 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.880 lot of room to get better physically because he's only 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:40.319 twenty one. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.600 Yeah, that's a good point and something that I've gravitated towards. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.120 And this is not just because they've done it a 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.920 lot recently, but you know, I've gravitated towards the young breakout, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.160 the true junior declare is like those types of guys. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.440 And now the Patriots have had three in a row. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.800 Christian Gonzales, Drake may, Will Campbell, and those are the 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.080 guys that have that upper echelon, blue chip level talent 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.320 and they break out early, and then they're able to 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.719 come out early and then go to the NFL at 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.760 a young age, and that that's where Will Campbell's at. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.040 You have something else to say, Oh, all right, let's 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.440 move on. I don't want to talk too much. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.120 About you spend because we've got a lot of players 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.079 to get to him. We've talked about it. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:23.160 We've spent five months talking about Will Campbell. All right, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.720 next pick here, Travon Henderson from Ohio State, running back, 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.439 thirty eighth overall. A couple of things that stand out 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.080 to me about Trevon Henderson when I watched him pre draft. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.559 First of all, you mentioned it off the top home 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.000 run hitter. Right, This is a guy that can take 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.800 a pass behind the line of scrimmage from sixty five 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.679 yards out and house it and put it in the 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.120 end zone. Did it against Oregon, did it against Texas 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.800 and the college football Playoff. So we're not talking about 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.360 him doing it against you know, Long Beach Polytech, right, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.360 We're talking about him doing it against a big time 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.959 competition with other fell players on the field. The other 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.800 things that stood out to me. I think he's a 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.959 really loose or fluid mover in space. I wouldn't say 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.920 that he's a jump card jump cut artist. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:12.120 Like. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.120 I don't think he's overly elusive necessarily, but what he 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.360 is is very you know, dynamic in his movements, and 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.160 he can create separation as a receiver. He can get 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:28.240 out in space and he can either eliminate pursuit angles 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.840 or run through tackles or things of that nature. I 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.440 think that he's one of those players that's in a 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.720 similar mold, you know, if you want to, we always 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.840 talk about like ceiling, realistic comps, floor comps. Right for 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.240 these types of players. The ceiling of this archetype is 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.560 Jamier Gibbs. I think he's the right now, at least 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.960 in the NFL. He's the top guy in this mold 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.120 in what Trayvon Henderson is hopefully going to bring to 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.520 the Patriots, the realistic comp that I made for him. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.160 And again this is all, this is not all. The 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.600 Patriots drafted this guy, so now I'm gonna gast him up. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.040 Was Breese Hall with the Jets, right, A guy that 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.760 can do both, that can run the football, catch the ball, 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.960 out of the backfield, big play threat whenever he touches 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.839 the football. So I look at those two backfields David 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.600 Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs and Braylan Allen and Breese Hall 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.520 in New York, and I say, Ramondroe, Stevenson Traveon Henderson. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.080 So I know a lot of people have talked about 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.400 his pass protection. He is a very good pass protector, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.800 highlight the underselling, high level bits, pick up guy, no 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.880 doubt about it. I love that element of his game. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.840 I think that's a really big part of getting him 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.160 on the field on third down early on in his career. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.000 So I'm not underrating it or trying to make little 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.840 of it, but almost like with receivers, you're not drafting 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.280 him to block, Okay, you're drafting him to house the 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.800 ball from seventy five yards out like that. That's what 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.160 you're hoping to get with the player. And when you 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.120 take him thirty eight overall, that's what you're hoping to 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.720 get out of t On Henderson. So I'm very excited 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.000 that one they looked at it and said, we need 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.840 big plays on offense, we need explosiveness on offense, and 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.839 this certainly did it. As did Kyle Williams. But I'm 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.199 also really excited about the pairing with Remandre. I think 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.040 the two of those guys together are thunder and lightning. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.480 Like they have a power downhill back with Remandre and 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.400 now they have a real explosive back with Traveon. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.360 Henders, and they can kind of get back to that 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.360 early down passing down back thing too. Certainly, both guys 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.960 are relatively rounded. I think Henderson's incredibly well rounded. But 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.120 that's the interesting thing. Like people are gonna compare him 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.520 to James White. That was a lot of it after 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.120 the draft, and I think he can play that James 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.320 White role, but he can do it differently because he's 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:51.280 a better traditional run player than the players the Patriots 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.960 have usually had in that role. James White wasn't somebody 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.600 you were getting under center and handing it off to 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.440 in the a gap, right, There wasn't a ton of that. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.800 And look, it was because they won the Super Bowl. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.760 But like if you remember in twenty eighteen, one of 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.720 the big storylines that year was based on the running 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.600 back usage the offense becoming too predictable. I think they 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.680 were running the ball like sixty something percent of the 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.680 time when Sony Michelle was on the field, which again 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.840 they won the Super Bowl ultimately whatever, but they don't 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.200 exactly have the offensive line now that they had then. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.320 So what Tradeon Henderson does is he removes some of 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.960 that predictability and Ramonder Stevenson to an extent as well, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.920 because he's gonna handle himself in the pass game. He's 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.680 not quite the receiver Henderson is, but he's not somebody 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.600 all right, well, Henderson's in the game, you know, because 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.160 you're seeing in the huddle, you're not seeing it as 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.680 a defense. When they break to the formation. You know, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.960 James White goes in the huddle, all right, let's go light, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.320 you're gonna pass. Let's get ready to match up. Henderson 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.520 could be in the huddle and you're thinking, all right, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.760 they're going pass, let's go nickel, let's go dime, whatever. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.280 And now they come out under center and they motioned 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.080 the tight end in and suddenly they're ready to run 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.680 power or something like that. So you weren't necessarily doing 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.000 that with guys like James White, or guys like Danny 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.280 Woodhead or guys like Shane Vereen. So as long as 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.800 they've kind of done this dichotomy of early down passing down. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.200 The early down back is usually the lead back, and 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.920 he's the guy that's gonna be on the field more. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.320 So this might look a little different where I think 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.640 it'll still be early down passing down, but the passing 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.240 down back is going to be the lead back. He's 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.040 the guy who's gonna play more. I don't think Henderson's 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.280 a feature back. That was the big concern at High 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.120 or one of the big concerns Ohio State. He had 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.240 some durability issues early in his career. That's what part 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.720 of the reason they went out and got Quinn Shawn 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.760 Judkins in the transfer portal. But I don't think Henderson 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.720 needs to be a feature back. He's not somebody that 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.880 needs to carry the ball three hundred times in a 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.320 season to justify that pick. So, but lead back means 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.080 he's gonna get the majority. He's gonna be the starting 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.120 running back, if you want to call it that, even 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.520 though you know he is not necessarily gonna start every game. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.160 But I think he can be the lead back wherez 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.960 Stevenson will still play a significant role, but it might 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.800 not be as big. He might be the second running 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.400 back on the roster. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.800 So It's interesting because I agree with you, and I've 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.720 heard a lot about him as receiving ups and yeah, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.720 that's certainly a big part of it. He averaged over 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.280 eleven yards per catch at at Ohio State for his career. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.400 Like I said, awesome, pass protector, awesome and blitz pick up. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.480 But I don't think it's correct or fair, I guess 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.480 is the better word. I don't think it's fair to 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:21.480 call Henderson a receiving back. I think Henderson is a 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.840 true change of paceback, like he's a true speedback, change 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.280 of pace back. And one of the things that I've 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.600 been thinking about with this pick is that we have 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.240 seen especially last year, and maybe it changes with Josh 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.520 McDaniels and as they get this thing up and running 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.760 and they have better players around him. But there's no 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.600 doubt about it in my mind that Drake may is 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.160 more comfortable in the shotgun than he is under center. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.320 And that's just the nature of the beast. With these 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.600 young quarterbacks these days, they're all in these spread offenses, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.320 these air raids, these RPOs, things like that, Like they're 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.879 all doing the same stuff in college football for the 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.479 most part. So that's the beast, right now you have 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.920 to be able to cater your offense to that type 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.080 of team. And if the Patriots are going to be 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.240 a gun run team, if they're going to be heavy 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.320 in that respect in terms of shotgun versus under center split, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.320 then I love Ramandre Stevenson as a player. I think 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.480 last year was a blip. I think he's a better 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.720 player than what he showed on tape in twenty twenty four. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:27.640 But he's not necessarily a gun run back. Gun run 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.360 backs are water bugs. Gun run backs have great speed 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.480 instance stop start acceleration because they don't get a run 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.880 up to the line of scrimmage. Like if you're under 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.000 center and you're in a power eye or whatever and 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.280 the back is all the way, you know, eight yards 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.600 in the backfield, then they have that run up to 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.359 the line of scrimmage to come up and hit the 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.359 line of scrimmage harder. When you're in the gun, you're 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.239 at a standstill, you're sitting offset to the quarterback, and 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.840 you don't have that run up. So you need to 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.600 have guys that have really good explosiveness and really good 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.679 ten yard splits. You also want guys that can dance, 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.000 you know, out of early penetration and things like that. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.119 So when I start to look at the way they 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.080 might build this offense under Josh McDaniels with Drake May 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.639 and think about the Travon Henderson pick, Travon Henderson is 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.840 a classic gun back, like, he's a classic gun run 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:26.280 RPO read option that type of running back. So if 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.960 they're going to lean into that sort of way of 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.720 doing things offensively, then they needed somebody in this mold 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.160 like they needed somebody that could do that sort of thing. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:40.320 I am sure. I just we've both had Josh McDaniels 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.280 in our football worlds for a very long time. I 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.080 am sure there will be a time and place where 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.480 it's gonna be Remondra Stevenson in the power eye with 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.199 a full back in front of Yeah, there will be 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.359 a time and place for all of that. But my 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.359 guess is that we are going to see a lot 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.679 more shotgun than maybe they did with McDaniels in the past. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.960 And you know, if that's the case, then this is 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.400 the type of running back that fits that type of mold. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.400 My guess is, when I was just kind of looking 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.680 up some usage how McDaniel's split running backs in the past, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.200 my guess is, once they get it going, and maybe 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.080 they east Henderson into it, we'll see, depending on where 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.679 he's at a camp. But like, if they get it 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.080 where they want to get it, my guess is it's 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.640 going to be like sixty forty Henderson. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.200 Yeah, I'd call it. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.480 Fifty five thirty five with the other ten percent going 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.160 to Gibson or Lean laris In or somebody. 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.639 And that's basically what it is in Detroit at this point, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.320 is that Jamir Gibbs is the featured back, but it's 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.280 not necessarily the volume that you might see it for. 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:40.520 You know, true Bell. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.760 Caek So feature to me is bell cow I used 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.639 this terminology earlier. I don't know if this is like 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.160 how everybody does it. This was his mine. So feature 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:53.320 back is remember that they asked Bill about they Corey 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.679 Dillon in two thousand and four. Feature back is Derrick Henry. 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:01.359 Feature back is right. Lead back just means the majority, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.040 but he's not, okay, like a heavy usage. 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:05.280 That's but I. 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.480 Would That's That's where I'm at with Henderson. I don't 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.439 think he's a feature back, but I think he'll end 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:10.240 up being the lead back. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.840 Yeah, I agree with you, I really again, it's a 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.840 stylistic thing to me more than anything that if they're 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.320 going to play that kind of authensic cater to Drake May, 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:20.120 then he's their guy. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.840 He's the type of guy we're going to go under center. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.920 More like, they still needed speed even from under center. 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.520 They needed more speed, especially at that position, and they 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.440 got more speed and breakaway ability. 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.240 So yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, speaking to speed, this 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.359 is a good pace. We're not we're not getting bogged 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:36.680 down too much yet we will. 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:40.280 We're twenty minutes in two picks. Okay, we're doing ten 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:40.920 minutes a pick. 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.239 Yeah, not bad Like normally this would be like us 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.159 deliberating a pick for like twenty and. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:46.760 It'll also get a little shorter as we go. But 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.439 I do want to get to the udfas. Don't want 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:49.200 to make sure we have time. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.720 For me too. All Right, the next pick, I'm gonna 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.800 do a golf clap. I want you to take a 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:56.800 victory lap. I want you to go ahead. I'm going 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.040 to clear the decks for you right now. Kyle Williams 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.080 six ninth. Overall, nice, nice to the Patriots from Washington State, 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.000 and I'm doing the golf clap. Yeah for Alex here 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.520 because you told me about Kyle Williams before the Senior Bowl. 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.240 This was your guy. You were on it, and he 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.080 just quickly crept up the board or not so quickly, honestly. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.159 It was just kind of all of a sudden, like 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:18.840 two weeks ago. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.679 Yeah, like steadily is a better word. Yeah, crept up 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:26.639 the board. Great Senior Bowl week that I slept on. 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:28.040 Feel bad about that. 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.960 I'm telling you next year, just remember this. The last 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.440 guy up in the reps. Yeah you don't, because you're 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.320 like onto the next thing, right, Yeah, the last guy 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.440 up in there, because I'm guilty of this a training camp. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.000 The last guy up in the reps. You gotta pay 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.679 attention to. So because he just lapped. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.120 Up like every sneaky sneaky good Senior Bowl when ESPN 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:49.680 was going commercial and everybody comes out of the Senior 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.080 Bowl week asking of Jalen Nole for rightfully, so he 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.400 had a great week. He's a good player. I still 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.199 like Jalen Nole a lot, and nobody you know, he 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.439 was kind of still gotten a little bit. There he 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.520 goes to the combine, he puts down the four to four. 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.320 Then people started to rewatch the film maybe or even 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.040 just get to the film in general. Like me that 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:15.199 was late to it. I will give it kills me. 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.560 It pains me to do this, like one percent of 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.800 the credit to Chris Simms, because Chris Simms came out 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.879 and ran ranked him as like the second best receiver 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:26.160 in the class, and everybody said, whoa, Kyle Williams second 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.040 best receiver in the class? What am I missing here? 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:33.960 But nobody, nobody was earlier to Kyle Williams than this man. 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.280 The Washington State coaching staff was we got to get 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.800 that credit. But from a draft point of view, yeah, 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.720 I And again we'll have that interview with Dane later 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.760 and I actually kind of asked him about why maybe 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.679 that was. And there's a couple different reasons, but the 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.680 big thing for me to get to Kyle Williams's pick. 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:50.359 I won't go back and read through the text I 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:51.280 sent you on. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.000 January enough stroking your ego twenty fifth. 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.560 When I said, why is this guy eight hundred on 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.720 the consensus board? What am I missing? Eight hundred on 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.199 the cons his sport. But the big thing for me, 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.720 so I think part of the reason he went later 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.359 he's a late breakout player He's at UNLV for three years, 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.080 transferred to Washington State in twenty twenty three. He had 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:14.840 a solid year, he had eight hundred yards, like he 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.399 wasn't bad, but last year goes off top ten in 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.560 the nation and receiving all of that. And I actually, 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.280 and I wrote about this on ninety eight five the 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.040 sports sub dot com if people want to check it out. 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.840 I actually I asked him after the pick, like, what 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:31.399 changed for you? Right? Did he focus on something or 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:35.760 emphasize something in his game to allow that breakout season happen? 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.000 And he mentioned after the catch specifically, he said he 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.119 wants to extend plays. He specifically said being able to 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.400 turn a five yard hitch into a sixty yard touchdown, 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.760 a three yard screen into a sixty yard touchdown, which he. 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.600 Literally did at Washington State. Right, one was against Syracuse. 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.600 In the other one, I'm blanking on the team he 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:56.480 was playing against, but he. 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.479 Literally Syracuse one was a slat. But I know you're 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.480 what you're talking about. Yeah, So he went from averaging 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.480 five point five yards per carry in or five point 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.160 five yards after the catch for his career. That number 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.280 jumped to eight point four in twenty twenty four. The 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.760 Patriots meanwhile ranked twenty fifth as a whole in yards 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.040 after the catch in the NFL last year the wide 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.600 receivers alone, so as a team they averaged five flat 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.679 after the catch. The wide receivers alone averaged four, So 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.080 Kyle Williams last year Washington State was more than double that. 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:27.359 That's why I love this pick. He's going to be 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:30.280 able to play all three spots X Z slot he 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.160 gets open, he has separation metrics improved a lot last 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.960 year as well, and then because he gets so open, 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.880 he can run after the catch. Now it's one year 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.359 of production, so he's a little less proven and I 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.080 don't think the drop issues are as big as some 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.320 people are making them. But he's not exactly the most 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.720 short handed guy, so that's why he fell. But if 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:49.200 they can get that figured out, and by the way, 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.000 I think him working with Stefan Diggs is going to 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.919 be amazing because there are some similarities there. Certainly, at 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:58.960 least to me. I think he's a guy that can 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.240 be maybe a low end number one, certainly a high 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:04.000 end number two. I you know, doesn't quite have the 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.320 size to be that true like number one X guy, 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:10.760 but just his ability to create after the catch, which 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:14.320 he clearly worked on a lot last year. They desperately 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.239 needed that. I don't know the last time. The reason, Like, 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.840 I'm so nervous to say I like, I feel like 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.240 they're in a position to maximize Kyle Williams. Yeah, and 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.080 I'm nervous to say that because we've seen how it's 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.679 gone for wide receivers the last few years. But I 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.639 don't know the last time they had a wide receiver 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.320 with this makeup. Like, he's not the big slot, He's 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.360 not Jalen Polk, he's not a contested catch X. He's 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:39.840 not Jaevon Baker, Nikhil Harry. He probably profiles closest to Pop, 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.479 But Pop's not going to be outside playing the X. 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.879 Pop's not running you know, some of the deeper rats 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.000 that he's running. So this is the kind of wide 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.480 receiver we've wanted them to invest in for a long 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.840 time that they just haven't. 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.320 Yeah, and he's a great fit for Josh McDaniels, who 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:01.359 I agree that. You know, one of the things with 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.879 the draft is there's always these coin flip decisions, right, 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.119 Like they pick Kyle Williams. I had Jalen Nole in 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.000 full disclosure, I as with a higher grade than with 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.280 Kyle Williams, you know, higher up my rankings, I should say, 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:16.679 uh than Kyle Williams. So the honest question for people 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.800 that followed us pre draft and you know, looked at 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.440 my spreadsheet and my rankings and stuff, is well, why 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:24.840 all of a sudden are you now you know, big 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.040 Kyle Williams guy right, like you know what, shouldn't you 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.199 be saying that they should have drafted Jalen Nole? But 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.000 I think one of the coin flips and one of 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:37.600 the decisions here is about why did they draft the 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.679 player in Kyle Williams over Nol? And I think the 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.040 biggest reason is something that you hit on, is that 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:47.360 Kyle Williams has a little bit more ability to project 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:48.399 as an outside receiver. 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:48.840 Yeah. 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.359 I think there's a little bit more there in terms 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.920 of him playing on the outside, whether it's as a 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:57.000 true X or whatever you want to call it. Then 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.919 with Noel Noll, I think profiled for pretty much ever 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.080 everybody as a true speed slot like he was an 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.720 inside receiver. That was what he was going to be 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.960 in the NFL. Level. With Kyle Williams, there's a lot 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:14.199 of really encouraging release work as an outside receiver. That 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.040 gives you hope that he maybe can play closer to 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.840 like a fifty to fifty split ideally, especially in this offense, 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.560 he is a chess piece that Josh McDaniels is moving 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.040 all around the formation to get him free release off 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.399 the line of scrimmage. Whether it's in motion, it's a stack, 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.439 it's a bunch, it's a slot rep, you know, whatever 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.040 the case may be, just hunting re releases all over 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.880 the field because when he gets those free releases, like 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:45.720 the play against Syracuse. Yeah, the Patriots have historically called 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.000 that too lane. It's they have that concept in their 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:51.760 offense where the receiver on the line of scrimmage kind 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:53.880 of runs a vertical, but he's really running a pick 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.880 like he's kind of running a rub right, and that's 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.920 going to create that pocket of space underneath the defense. 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.280 And Kyle Williams actually has an option on that route. 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.160 He can break in, or he can break out, or 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.800 he can settle against zone coverage, and he's just going 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.640 to rede leverage of the defender. So when the defender 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.360 sets up outside of him and he just breaks into 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.640 the middle of the field and then he's then he's 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.560 on the runway right, he's just shot out of a 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.880 cannon and houses it against against Syracuse in the Bowl 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.880 game last year. Those types of routes are typically run 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.320 by the Z receiver in this offense. But that's allus like, 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.800 it's kind of not here North there. It doesn't really matter. 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.800 The point is is that you can see Kyle Williams 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:37.240 doing things that easily translate right into Josh mcdaniels's scheme, 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.960 whereas I don't know if you could necessarily do that 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:44.520 with their past picks at receiver. What was Nikhil Harry's 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.840 fit in Josh mcdaniels's. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:47.600 Office, It never made sense, right. 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:52.080 What was Taekwon Thornton's fit? A sacrificial But he drafted 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.200 a sacrificial X with the fiftieth. 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.400 And he kept part of that too, is his injuries 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:56.200 kept getting hurt. 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.400 Right, But it just didn't feel like he wasn't a technician. 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.080 He he was in a great yards after catch guy. 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.520 He wasn't a quick hitter guy. He wasn't an early separator. 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.200 He wasn't a quick separator off the line of scrimmage. 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.760 They drafted a vertical X receiver to play in an 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:15.000 offense that doesn't feature vertical X receivers. With Jalen Polk, 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.120 I think there was a little bit more translation of 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.440 what they used to do in the past, but probably 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.800 not as much translation in an Alex Van Pelt offense, 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.440 which is what they were drafting for at the time. 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.400 So it just seems like this player has a great 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:33.280 marriage between what he does well, what McDaniels wants to feature, 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.960 and what the team needed, and all three of those 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.720 things kind of came together with Kyle Williams in a 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:42.560 really nice way. So the rep that I keep going 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.560 back to other than the Syracuse one just because it's 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.080 a concept that I've seen the Patriots run a million 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.560 times is twenty twenty three when he runs right by 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.959 Travis Hunter. Like that ability on the outside to just 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.560 stack and separate on a go route outside the numbers 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.080 on the best cornerback in the name like that, you 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.400 hope is going to translate a little bit more then 0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.640 let's say, like a Jail and Nole would have done. 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.440 Whereas you know, Nole is probably a little bit more 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.160 polished as a route runner right now in terms of 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.200 the technique and the top of the route and all 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.880 that kind of stuff. So I wanted to try to 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.520 do comps for most of these guys. I think it 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.920 helps people understand. I think the archetype the ceiling of 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.720 this mold is Garrett Wilson. And I don't know if 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.880 he's Garrett Wilson, like I've heard that comp with him. 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:32.320 Garrett Wilson was I believe the eleventh or twelfth overall 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.320 pick in his draft, absolute stud offensive, Rookie of the Year, 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.400 perennial Pro bowler. That is a very high bar for 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.120 the sixty ninth overall pick in the draft. I don't 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.320 know if Kyle Williams is going to get to Garrett 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:46.200 wilson territory. 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:50.640 Williams also had much more runways just you know, yeah, 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:51.680 he broke out younger. 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.200 So I would say the guy that I've gravitated towards, 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.760 and just because from a measurable standpoint and a play 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.840 style standpoint, is you shot Bateman in Baltimore, And I know, 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.520 Rashat Bateman sounds like a bust when you say the 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.520 name ra Shod Bateman. He had a really nice year 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.840 last year for Baltimore when he was finally healthy. He's 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.560 battled injuries in Baltimore. There's no doubt about that. But 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.520 I'm just talking about turning on the film and watching 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.360 the player, like not necessarily slistically, right, taking on all 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.360 the injury baggage and stuff like that. If you watch 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:27.360 Rashat Bateman last year with the Baltimore Ravens, he was 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.760 like a top twenty, top twenty five receiver in the league. 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.880 Let's not forget not only was has he been heard 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.120 They don't throw the ball a ton in Baltimore, right, 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.200 so you have to adjust a lot of their numbers 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.240 for the fact that they are a run heavy offense. 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.360 So I like Rashaw Baby maybe a little bit more 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.960 than other people, but I think that Kyle Williams is 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.720 a similar kind of player. Really, just a lot to 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.480 like about the pick in terms of the schematic fit 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.080 and all those different things. The last thing I wanted 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:57.400 to say about Kyle Williams, where do we see this going? 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.000 Because right now I think they have like eleven or 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:05.080 twelve depending on the UDFA signings wide receivers on the roster. 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.920 This is going to be probably the number one question. 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:10.560 Would you remember a couple of years ago, was it 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.640 last year? Two years ago? They literally didn't have enough 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.160 receivers in like the spring because some guys were hurt. 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.720 Yeah, so they have twelve. I have them with twelve 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.880 receivers right now, and this is including udfhase, which are 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:22.480 not official. I should put that out there. 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.520 This is they signed what reportedly signed with three. 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:30.640 Three So yeah, I'll just rd them off quickly. Diggs, mccollins, 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.560 Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams. I think those four guys I 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.240 had them at the top of the list because they're 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.200 going to be on the roster in some way, shape 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.000 or form. Digs might be on pup, but he's going 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.120 to be on the team. We know that. Kendrick Bourne, 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.640 Kashawan Boody, the picks last year, Polkin Baker, John Giles 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.560 is still kicking around, e FT and Chisholm. Who I 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.600 want to get to when we get to the udfas 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.960 demere blankh Moosy blank of Moosey. 0:33:58.000 --> 0:33:59.880 Oh yeah wait, hang on, I got I know I 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:01.520 can pronounce it if I'm reading it. 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.880 Very sorry. I think it's Blank Music, Blank Museum and 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.440 Jeremiah Webb. Those are their twelve receivers right now, including 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.960 the udfas. How do we see on April thirtieth, with 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.520 absolutely zero practices that we've watched or witnessed at this point, 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.080 how do you see this room shaking out? Or I 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.680 think a better question is for right now, you know, 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.440 who's the one guy that you really feel like is 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:25.879 going to be an odd man out. I think it's 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.240 hard right now just to sit here and say without 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:32.040 seeing even any OTA's exactly how they look at the room. 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:37.879 Yeah, I think so those four off the top right, 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.520 I still think people are gonna criticize me for this 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:43.680 because he's been my guy for I still think Kendrick 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.640 Horne is a good shot to make the team because 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.080 it went so well with him and Josh McDaniels last time. 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:52.800 And I just think McDaniels likes him. So that's five, right, 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.200 And then it comes down to Kashawan, Boody and the 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.560 two rookies for that last spot or the two rookies 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.000 from last year for that last spot. They've shown it 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.840 they're not afraid of significant roster turnover. That was another 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.080 takeaway for me from this draft and just the way 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:06.680 they kind of went about and really the off seas 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.560 as a whole. People were, you know, talking back in 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.759 January about you know, you got a clean house. How 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.239 much the roster can they change people? Kind of facetiously 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.360 saying keep Drake, keep Christian Zalez, move on from the rest. 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.960 And I was there saying, like, realistically, like forty to 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.080 forty five percent is a pretty significant roster turnover from 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.720 one year to another in the NFL generally, that's the case. 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.200 I think that they're going beyond the typical here. I 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.760 think it's gonna be well in this is I'm talking 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.400 forty to forty five percent. That's fifty three man roster 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.200 week eighteen to fifty three men roster week one. We 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.120 still got a ways to go before we get to 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.799 the initial fifty three man roster, but it might be 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.279 over fifty percent. So you know, Born Booty, Pulk Baker. 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.960 I don't think any of those guys are safe, especially 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.360 you know, just one of the udfases, Eft and Chisel 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.560 make a push. So it's those four are gonna make it. 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:02.239 Pop Hollins Digs if he's not on pup, and then 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.680 Kyle Williams, right, those four will make it. After that, 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.640 I think it's wide open for one, maybe maybe two spots. 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.960 There's gonna be some guys that get cut that I 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:14.799 don't know surprise is the right word, but. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.880 Have some NFL talent NFL ability. I've come around to 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:25.520 Kayshawan Boody a little bit, just because stylistically, again, if 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.799 you need that sacrificial X, like that true sacrificial X 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.600 that we've seen here in the past with Josh McDaniels, 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.800 Nelson Aguilar, right, like, someone like that, that's kind of 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.399 Kaysehan Boody to me is a guy that can run 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.560 verticals on the outside, do a pretty good job with it, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.120 maybe occasionally catch a slant or something underneath off of 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.000 the vertical stem, and every once in a while he's 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.319 gonna sneak behind Derek Stingley for a bomb, right And 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.239 if that's all that role is in this offense moving forward, 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.840 then he showed last year that he has the ability 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:03.120 to do that at an NFL level. So has Javon 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:07.000 Baker proven that. No has Jalen Polk, even though I 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.400 think he'll get a really really strong chance as a 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.800 second round pick in his second year. Neither one of 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.360 those guys have shown yet that they can do anything 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.919 NFL caliber like Keayshawn Booty has. So it seems odd 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:20.600 to me. And this it's a trade, and because he 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:22.560 has the most value in a trade, that could maybe 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.480 make some sense that they deal Booty to get some 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:26.120 something better. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:27.759 Unless they just think Mac Collins is gonna do that. 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.120 Yeah, maybe I feel like Booty gets down the field 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.399 a little bit better than Mac Collins. But I could 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.279 see that. I just out of all these guys, I 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.040 feel like Booty I've come around the most two uh 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:39.040 being on the team. 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.640 Javon Baker blank demere blank emcy blank emcy. 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:47.919 Okay, Uh, Javon Baker is squarely on the bubble like that. 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.520 He's gonna need a really really good camp. I would 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.640 say he's probably gonna need a really good offseason, like 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.880 it's gonna OTAs included mini camp, training camp all the 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.759 way through. He's gonna have to be consistent and he's 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:00.400 gonna to be good. 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:01.960 It's even on the bubble or is he on the 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:02.680 outside looking at. 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.640 Probably on the outside looking yeah, to be more fair 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.440 about it, all right, anything else on Kyle Williams. 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:10.800 No, I think that's other than your victory kind of 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.080 killed their pace there, No. 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.680 That's okay, that was worth it. That was a good pick. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.920 All right, next one here, Jared Wilson, ninety fifth overall 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:19.920 center from Georgia. 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.200 Let me point out first real quick. They traded down 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.640 twice to get him. Yeah, so I was harping future picks, 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:28.760 future picks, future picks. 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.279 Got one they got on twenty twenty six, fourth. 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.880 Right, So nice pick, and some people think the Bears 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:35.640 might be really bad. I was kind of surprised how 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.280 many people were, like, that could be a top hundred 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.840 ten pick, but like you take that, they also a 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.520 future sixth and seventh. Yeah, if the Bears are bad 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.560 enough that fourth plus that sixth, maybe you're back in 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:47.320 the top one hundred. 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.480 Yeah. No, it's a it's it's not a bad a 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.760 bad asset to have. Yeah, in the old tool belt, Okay, 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.759 Jared Wilson. I I feel a little bit like, because 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.200 he's a center, people are not talking enough of about 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.600 Jared Wilson as a part of this foursome of offensive 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.120 players that they drafted out the top. It's not the 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.560 fourth overall pick, it's not too flashy skill players. So 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:13.719 I get it. I get that it's a center, But 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:16.800 besides Campbell, I feel like there's a really nice floor 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.320 to Jared Wilson where I feel pretty comfortable projecting Jared 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.000 Wilson as a starter at some point. I don't know 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:25.759 if it will be right out of the gate. It 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:29.200 might be midway through his rookie year, his second year, 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.520 even maybe he's the sixth man on the offensive line 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.800 next year as like a three interior three interior spot player. 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:41.160 But everything that I've watched of him and everything I've 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.960 heard of about Jared Wilson is that this is a 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:51.240 center that is really dynamic. And when you talk about centers, 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.319 just like a Mike linebacker on defense, the center kind 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.759 of sets the pace for the offensive line in the 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:03.000 run game. So if you want to be dynamic downhill 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.160 run scheme that can get to the second level, and 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.959 you want to get out up to the second level 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.560 and get those interior guys into combinations and get them 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.960 up to the second level, or you want to run 0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.640 stretch or outside zone to get to the numbers, the 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.560 center is the one that's setting the pace of that. 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.000 So if you want to do those types of things, 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.880 which I think the Patriots want to do more the 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:28.920 former than the latter, an athletics center really helps. And 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.200 when you look across the league at guys that have 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.120 his level of athleticism, whether you know it's Eric McCoy 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.560 and New Orleans or you know, Jason Kelsey's kind of 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.759 the apex of that, right, you know, he's the top 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.920 tier of this. When you look at those types of guys, 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.040 it just opens a lot of what you are able 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:51.080 to do schematically, whether it's run game, screen game, moving pockets, 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.359 things like that. So that's why I would say that 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.200 I'm really excited or high on the pick with Jared 0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:01.920 Wilson is because of his athleticism. Center position, you're not 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.080 normally covered these days, like maybe there's a shade over 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.200 your outside shoulder that you have to in a slide 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.640 you'd have to get to, or on a reach or 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.719 something like that. On the line of scrimmage double team 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.799 obviously you're getting to. But you're not a lot of 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.240 hit up rushers anymore these days over the center, especially 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.160 on early downs, and teams don't play with a ton 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:26.359 of zero technique nose tackles. So he's more of an 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.160 athletic center. Wide body, like his frame, like the way 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.120 he carries the weight as well. I just think that 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:37.640 this guy has a really nice floor to him as 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.560 the ninety fifth pick. When you pick ninety five, he's 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.200 kind of two ways to go about it. You can 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.640 either pick a guy that has first round traits but 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.759 doesn't have a first round pedigree, or you can pick 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:49.920 a guy that's getting on base right. You can go 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.520 both ways. Jared Wilson kind of splits the atom to 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.440 me because he's got the athleticism to have a high upside, 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.560 and he's young and he only had that one year 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.600 of starting at Georgia. But he's all also a guy 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.160 that I feel like could probably start at center, Like 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:07.560 if they had an honest competition between him and Garrett 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:12.160 Bradbury in camp, I think Jared Wilson might win the competition. 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.239 And I think they might have that competition. Yeah, to me, 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.399 that's what this is all about. How long can get? 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.760 So we talk sometimes about you know, day one starter, 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.000 Year one starter, right, where a day one starter is 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.520 a guy Will Campbell. How many's gonna be the left 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.640 tack was no question about it. Year one starter is 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.840 a guy that, okay, like he might not be ready 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.120 to go week one of his rookie year, but by 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.719 the end of his rookie year he should be the starter. 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.960 I think Jared Wilson is in that category. Yeah, he's 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.760 a year one starter. It's just about how long Bradbury 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:40.759 can hold him off. And maybe who knows, maybe it 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.040 is week one. But like I think Jared Wilson is 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:44.360 going to be the starting center by the end of 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.480 the year. I know Elliott Wolf said that they think 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.319 he can play some guard. To me, that's probably more 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.839 an emergency thing. Yeah, and you know, if they really 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.480 need somebody. I don't think he's going to be fully 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.080 in there competing for that left guard role. I think 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:57.839 it's more if they need him there, fine, but they 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:59.480 want to develop as a center because he has the 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.279 ability to be a long term center in the NFL. 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.640 You mentioned the athleticism. The other thing is he's an 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:09.839 incredibly smart football player. Yeah, and the commands going back 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.080 to the quarterback. We think with Josh McDaniels were last 0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.319 year it was the center setting all those protections. But 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.120 the center is still going to help in that and 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.720 the center's still gonna help communicate along the offensive line. 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.600 Guy that's really smart, really athletic. If he was a 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.760 two year starter, I think he probably goes top fifty. Yeah, 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.440 you know, he was the first center off the board. 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.000 I just think what was tough for him is in 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.920 this draft there is a lot of experience lineman. Two 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.680 three four year starters on the offensive line, his one 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.800 year starter and he really didn't play a ton before 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.759 that at all at Georgia. Like, he's really raw. So 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.200 if you you know, read the scouting reports that are 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.520 on there, they talk about hand placement, they talk about, 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.920 you know, his footwork and things like that. I'm not 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.439 saying that those knocks are wrong, but it's he looks 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:54.880 like a guy that hasn't played a lot of football 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.200 because he hasn't a lot of that stuff is very fixable. 0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.160 It's just gonna come with reps. The preseason is gonna 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:00.680 be huge for him. He will be one of the 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.480 most important players to watch this preseason and we'll see 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.720 if he can kind of learn quickly and grow quickly. 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.279 I think he can push Bradberry sooner rather than later. 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.480 Yeah, I think the biggest thing with him, like you said, 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:11.960 you know, I just looked it up real quick. Drew 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:16.719 Kendall from Boston College. You went to the Eagles. He 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.200 had thirty seven career starts at Boston College. At center. 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.000 Wilson only had twelve at Georgia. So especially when you 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:28.600 talk about centers and you talk about the responsibility mentally 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:33.920 on centers. Normally, when you get guys in the draft 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.920 that play center, unless they're like Zabel, who's like a 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.719 tackle or a guard that's moving to center. Guys that 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.919 were career centers that are getting drafted as centers, those 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.680 guys are like three, four, sometimes even five year starters, 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.360 like they might have upwards of forty to fifty starts 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.480 in college. So you're talking about guys that have a 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:55.080 ton of experience. That's not Jared Wilson. He's a guy 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.920 that has a ton of upside and a ton of ability, 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.239 but doesn't have the experience. Now, the one thing that 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.239 did make me feel a little bit better when I 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.480 was talking to some of his coaches at Georgia, they 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.120 pointed out in practice over the last couple of years 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.680 he's been running scout team until this most recent year, 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:16.359 think about the Georgia interior defensive lineman that he's been 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.080 facing on scout team for his freshman and sophomore year. 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.440 They the way they put it to me was that 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:24.800 practice might have been harder than some of the games 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.440 that he was going to be playing in. Now it's 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.680 a different energy, right, it's a different moment, it's a 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.239 different environment. But in terms of the skill and the 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.320 talent he was going up against in practice at Georgia, 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:40.000 they obviously have a ton of just ridiculous players there 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.439 that have come through there on the interior defensive line. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.640 So in some ways, like he's almost battle tested, but 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:48.319 just behind the scenes in a weird way, so that 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:52.040 that would be interesting. You mentioned Guard. I agree with 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.440 you well that long term, there's no doubt about it, 0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:59.440 that centers his best position and having like I said earlier, 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:02.640 having a dynamic center that can do different things on 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.640 the move, and I can also really quickly side note, 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.160 we're watching Good Morning Football on this side screen and 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.200 Trags was just on Good Morning. Oh yeah, saw the 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:18.120 Let's Go track, the Clinton is Mike flag and everything. Anyway, sorry, 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:23.480 that was just distracting, uh our guy track shout out Trags. Uh. 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:27.560 Like I said earlier, you know, just letting him just 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.000 unlocking him at the center position to climb to get 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.320 out in front of blocks in the screen game. I 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.560 go watch him against Tennessee, just like you know, clipping 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.799 guys in space right, Like, that's what he does at 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.600 his best, and I think that he gets the most. 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.360 You get the most out of that if he plays center. 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.759 So I would assume he's going to play center long term. 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:55.000 But is there a world where their best five includes 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:56.000 him and Bradbury? 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.000 Because I think there is, there could be. I mean, 0:46:58.080 --> 0:46:58.520 maybe he. 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:00.360 Plays a little bit of left guard as aokie. 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.760 I would just say, like they got I get wanting 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:07.000 guys to be able to play multiple positions. I'm not 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:11.320 against that philosophically, but there is a tipping point where 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:13.879 the guy's got to learn the position he's gonna play. 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:15.880 And last year's coaching staff was way too In across 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.080 training we talked about this. There was you know, you're 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.000 trying to get Kate Wallace to move from right to left. 0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:22.319 You're playing right left, you're playing MC guard. It's like, no, 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.279 he has learn he has to play the position you're 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:28.759 trying to teach him. And so with Jared Wilson, he's 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:33.080 best long term at center. So if they think that's 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.640 what's best for him to play center long term, fine, 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.280 But if it's not that much of a gap between 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.759 him and whoever the next best left guard is I 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.120 would almost just let him keep working at center, just 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.960 because that's really where you need him to develop and learn. Now, 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.160 maybe that is playing left guard. Maybe they think the 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:49.600 best way to do that is by playing left guard. 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:53.879 But I would make all my decisions regarding him about 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:55.799 getting him ready to be Drake may center for the 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:56.399 next ten years. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:58.279 Fair Enough. The only reason why I brought up the 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.359 left guard thing, because I mostly agree with what you 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:03.920 just said, is because he might be the best blocker 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:09.640 to play that position. And if he's really ready, but 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:12.560 you don't feel like he's mentally ready to be the center, 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.560 then he can play left guard where he has none 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.640 of the mental you're you're still getting him on the 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:20.560 field and he's still playing. 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.680 I'm not rolling out entirely. I just I think that 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.120 there's tremendous value in him playing center, and I want 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:26.560 that to be where he hands up long term. 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.239 All right, let's move on to day three. We're we're 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:31.360 cruising a little bit. We've got a little bit bogged 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.600 down there, but we're all right. Uh. Craig Woodson in 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:38.080 the fourth round, one of six overall from cal Now, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.920 to be perfectly honest, if I had to grade the 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.719 Patriots draft, Yeah, I would give them an A minus. 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:46.800 And the reason why I wouldn't give them an A 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:48.920 is because I didn't love this pick. This was not 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:52.680 the pick I would have personally made. Now that doesn't 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:55.480 mean anything. In two to three years, they could Craig 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.240 Woodson could end up being really good exactly. 0:48:59.520 --> 0:48:59.640 Uh. 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:04.040 But with that being said, this was the only pick 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.640 in the entire draft that they broke off consensus. So 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.200 this is the only pick that they kind of went 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.319 out on a limb on a little bit, both you 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:12.560 and I and I want to speak for you, but 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.760 I feel like this is the case. Saw Billy Bowman 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:20.560 and Malchai Moore as better players than Craig woods Yeah, 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.560 and they went right after Craig Woodson in the fourth round. 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:25.919 There was a little run on safeties, so they read 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:30.319 the run correctly. They I believed that maybe there was 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.120 some interest in Kevin Winston, the Penn State safety that 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.000 went at the end of Day two, So they read 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:41.040 the run correctly. They jumped on Woodson before the kid 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:48.919 from Ohio State went. Was it Latham Lately, Ransom, Malchi Moore, 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.359 Billy Bowman, all those guys Williams dinner. They all went 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.759 in like the span of like thirty two picks. Yeah, 0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.279 so they read the run and they got their guy 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.080 in Woodson, unless it was Winston in the third round, 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.040 but they ended up getting one of their guys in Woodson. 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.080 To start on the positives with Woodson and then I 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:10.960 want to talk about kind of unpack why they might 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.800 have went with Woodson instead of more or Billy Bowman, 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:18.040 who we liked better Woodson when I watched him on tape, 0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:20.759 what I liked the most about him was his reactions 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:24.040 in space or his instincts in space. I think he's 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:29.040 got a really good motor, athleticism, physical nature to his game. 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:32.799 Could play demeanor, can strike the football, can separate the 0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.560 ball from receivers coming over the middle of the field, 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:39.479 really good at rotating into the box or starting down 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:43.640 low and run support, screen support, perimeter support, all those 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:46.560 different types of things that you do. He's got some 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.440 experience at Nickel. I'll get to that in a second. 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:52.359 I think there are is and you got a lot 0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.160 of this question. I'm sure you did too. You know, 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:55.719 could he be Deron Harmon right? 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:55.799 Like? 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.560 Can he play free safety over the top? I do 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:01.279 think he can do that. I don't think it's he's 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.320 not going to be Devin mccorty. He's probably gonna be 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.000 closer to de Ron Harmon, But I do think he 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:09.200 has the ability to do that. They played a lot 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:12.920 of split safety coverage in cal but they rotated their safeties. 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.160 And one of the things that we've heard a lot 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.319 about from the Patriots coaching staff and a couple times 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.759 we've gotten to speak with the position coaches is that 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.520 they want to be interchangeable at the safety position. They 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:27.240 don't want this guy's free safety, that guy's strong safety, 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.279 this guy's playing post, that guy's playing robber, and to 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.040 have teams be able to predict which ones which on 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.000 a down to down basis. So when it comes to 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.839 why they took Whitston over Bowman, why they took him 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:41.400 over more, I think the main reason is his size. 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:44.160 Like he's got a little bit more size. He's over 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:47.120 six feet two hundred and five pounds. Bowman and Moore 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.279 were like five ten five eleven one ninety ish. So 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.200 if they're going to be interchangeable at safety, and they're 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.919 going to want him to rotate down and fly down 0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.319 into the box, and put his hat his hat in 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.560 the run game. He's got a little bit more size 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.960 and a little bit more kirk to him and you know, 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.680 mass to his frame to be able to handle the 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:11.160 run responsibilities of doing that. So, if I had to guess, 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:15.560 it's probably like a size profile that they just preferred 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.120 with Woodson over the guys we like. 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.400 They didn't. Yeah, we wanted a true free safety. They 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.359 wanted somebody like you said, he can do both a phil. 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.239 Phil Perry pointed out some similarities to guys like Kevin 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:28.920 Byerd and Kenny Vacaro, who Mike Rabel obviously had in Tennessee. 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:33.920 So I don't think we're gonna maybe it's Marcus EPs 0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:35.880 like situationally, but I don't think we're gonna see that 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:38.640 true dedicated free safety this year. I think it's still 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:42.320 gonna be rotating with Dougar and Peppers and Woodson and 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:43.640 moving guys around there. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:45.840 Now, the other thing that he had to done a 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:50.120 little bit Woodson is play the nickel, and Elliott Wolf 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.200 alluded to it after the draft or one of his 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:53.960 don't know, I'll kind of bund it together one of 0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:57.480 his pre draft press conferences or post draft press conferences 0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.640 excuse me. Over the weekend, he alluded to the big 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:04.120 nickel being in this defense and having a guy that 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.640 isn't Marcus Jones body type, but is more of like 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:10.279 a Craig Woodson body type frankly right, like a guy 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:12.759 that's maybe pushing over two hundred pounds that can cover. 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:13.400 Uh. 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.280 The one thing that I hesitated with with with Woodson 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:19.160 UH and that role is I thought his man coverage 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:23.920 tape was a little bit inconsistent, UH watching him against Syracuse, UH, 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.880 he faced Gats in their tight end a handful of times, 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.520 and I thought Gatson got the better of the matchup. 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.279 I thought he struggled in man coverage against him. So 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.000 that's a that's a receiving tight end, Like, that's what 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:37.960 Gatson's really like, a big slot receiver. 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:38.400 He was. 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.680 Yeah, so that that's his specialty. But I don't know 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.239 if I saw the transitions or the smoothness and his 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.520 hips uh and his in his transitions to be able 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.520 to stick in man to man coverage against dynamic tight ends. 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.520 We'll see maybe maybe they cleaned that up. Maybe that 0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:57.840 was just one game and he cleans that up moving forward. 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.600 But I wouldn't necessarily say I thought he was a 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.239 high end man coverage player. I thought he was a 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.080 little bit on the lower end in that vein. But 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.160 what I did like about him a lot, like I said, 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:11.600 was his ability to track the football in terms of 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:14.880 like having eyes in the backfield on the quarterback and 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.240 the backfield action and then making place. 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:22.040 He also talked about Woodson himself set some long lines 0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:23.879 like I love contact, I'd love to hit people, whatever 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.560 that means. Like his athletic profile, that demeanor. He's going 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.920 to be a stud on special teams. 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:29.359 Yep. 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:30.840 So I think that's probably part of it. 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.280 So yeah, that's a great point. Fourth round pick probably 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.320 projects as like a third safety. 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.399 Third safety, key special teamer. You know, they'll see when 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.319 those Duggers and Pepper's contracts start to run up, you know, 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.160 steps into a bigger role in a couple of years. 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:46.479 But I see what they're going for with to pick, 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:50.600 Like I understand why they made it. I personally would 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.319 have gone in a different direction, but like you said, 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:53.520 it doesn't matter what we would have done. 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:57.160 Yep. Fair enough. And just last thing on Woodson and 0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:02.759 that that point, I the consensus. The consensus. I think 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:06.479 it's it's it's fair to share that information. Like I said, 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:08.759 this was the first pick that really broke from consensus. Well, 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:10.560 but he was in like the one eighties on most 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:11.319 consensus board. 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.319 No, but didn't a lot of like like Brugler had 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.879 him fourth round, right, Dane had a sixth round. 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:17.160 Right now. 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:18.719 I thought I saw some of the national guys. 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.080 So the one, the one national guy that had him 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:25.440 higher was Daniel Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah was really big on Woodson. 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.160 He had really nice things to say on the broadcast 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.840 about how he didn't see what everybody else was missing 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.040 with you know, he thought he was crazy thinking that 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:36.200 this guy was better than everybody else did. And he 0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.359 was really high on the pick. So hopefully DJ ends 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.000 up being right. You know that tends to Yeah, So 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:45.200 that that's Craig Woodson. Oh yeah, this was the other 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.200 thing I wanted to say about him before we move on. 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.560 I feel like there's a lot of conversations out there 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:53.480 about safety not being in need, and I feel like 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.279 we were all over safety as a potential need not 0:55:56.320 --> 0:55:59.520 to like toot our own horns. But Kyle Duggart did 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.040 not have the or that they wanted him to have 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.879 last year, he was hurt, he didn't play well when 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:05.880 he was out there. We all know what happened with 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.920 Jabrill Peppers off the field. Like, there's not a whole 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.799 lot of security right now in terms of those two 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.320 guys like being what they thought they were going to 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.480 be when they signed those extensions. So as much as 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.040 I don't necessarily see Woodson pushing either one as like 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.640 a starting safety to begin with, I don't think that 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:25.920 it's that crazy that they targeted a good. 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:28.640 Spots have depth. I thought, well, I was saying safety 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.640 in the need of the you know, free safety kind 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.279 of thing, but yeah. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.279 Yeah, all right. Joshua Farmer one of my favorite picks 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:39.160 of the draft. Both these guys, I thought, just the 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.040 value that they got out of Farmer and Swinson picking 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:45.919 them where they did, probably at least in Farmer's case, 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:49.560 maybe more like a half around later than people expected. Swinston, 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:51.160 I would say, a round or two later than a 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:54.040 lot of people expected. So really good value with both 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.080 these players. And what I like about both of them 0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:01.440 together is that one sort of like a hybrid tweeer 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:05.160 defensive end defensive tackle. One's like a true edge rusher, 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.560 you know, it's off the outside the tackle. So like 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:12.840 together they make a nice kind of situational player. 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.080 Yeah, where if they're gonna they're gonna be high five 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:16.439 and a lot coming on and off the field. 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:21.000 Yeah, So Farmer can play on inside, you know, defensive end, 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.520 like I said, hand the dirt end or handing the 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.320 dirt defensive tackle on early downs. Swinson can be a 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.720 pass for a specialist on third down. And you have 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:32.200 this nice little like you said, high fiving each other 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.920 kind of reminds me different positions, but like similar to 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.880 like Anthony Jennings and Joshua uch right, or like together 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:43.640 they're a complete player. Like they aren't good complete players individually, 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:47.360 but together they're a complete player. With Farmers specifically, a 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.040 couple of things that stand out. On the positive end, 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:54.160 his upper body twitch and power and length are just 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:57.560 very noticeable. The second debt you turn on the tape, 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:00.400 he has thirty five in charms. So this is a 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:06.720 long armed, powerful, well built human being that really didn't 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.680 necessarily play to his trades all the time. But I 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:14.800 love the chance that they're taking here with Ray Bowl 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:17.840 with Terrell Williams. Like, give Terrell Williams right the raw 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.600 tools the guy, and let's see if Terrell Williams can 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:23.960 seizon him up and can round about his game farmer, 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:27.080 very strong at the point of attack, very good length, 0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:29.840 very good pressing, shed ability, Like there's a ton of 0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.520 evidence of him just rocking an offensive lineman back and 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.040 just throwing him to the side, right and just discarding 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:39.280 guys in the run game. In the pass rush, there's 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:42.360 speed to power there. There's obviously bowl with the longer arms. 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:44.360 There's a little bit of a swim move that he 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.160 can go to and a swipe. But when he was 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.720 rushing off the edge, he likes to swipe. So I 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:51.440 think he can play a little bit of four three end. 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:53.440 I think you can play a little bit of three technique. 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.200 I like the versatility and I love the tools. Now 0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:59.640 there's some work to be done here in terms of 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:01.480 the tech which we can get to. But on the 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:03.440 positive end, that that's what I see with him. 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:05.120 Yeah, and a guy that I think you kind of 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:07.720 allude to. It can play multiple positions along the defensive line, 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:09.919 and it is very athletic. Was better as a run 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.760 stopper at Florida State, but just because of his athleticism, 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.120 probably has some pass rush upside. Yeah, I think the 0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:18.760 idea is you put him bar more Milton Williams keyon 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:21.320 white and that's your front. Right. Those are four guys 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:23.720 that are athletic. Those are four guys that can move around. 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:25.280 We know they're not going to blitz a ton. Mike 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:26.920 Rabel kind of alluded to that. I think it was 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.600 in his introductory press conference early on. Yeah, you know, 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:31.600 he was kind of asked his philosophies on the blitz 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:33.520 and said, it's more about when you do it than 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:35.560 how often you do it. So you got to generate pressure. 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:37.680 Those are guys you can run a ton of games with. 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.080 You can move them around, you're gonna keep offensive lines 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.640 on their toes. So he's just another piece that fits 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.720 that mold. They're a little small up front now, which 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:47.360 I do worry about. I thought they might add another 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:52.040 nose tackle. But because Farmers a better run stopper than 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:54.520 his size would suggest, which makes me like, like, like 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:56.280 this pick a little more than just getting the average 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.760 toolsy rusher, because they do need guys who can play 0:59:58.760 --> 0:59:59.000 the run. 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:02.680 Yeah. So he's six three three oh five with the 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:05.120 thirty five inch arms. Yeah, so even though he's only 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:07.200 three oh five and thirty five inch arms helped create 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.280 that separation for blocks and create the distance so that 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.840 they can't get up underneath him and drive him off 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:15.480 the ball, which helps him kind of make up for 1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:17.520 the fact that he's only three oh five, right, So 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:20.240 that helps. Now with that being said, you know, on 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.840 the other side of the coin, because we're when you 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:25.160 talk about a player like this and you're speaking so highly, well, 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:26.960 he went in the fourth round, so there has to 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:29.680 be a reason he wasn't a higher pick. I thought 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:31.200 some of the things you know that I wrote down 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.919 in my notes, just you know, he will get washed 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:35.960 out by double teams. I don't think this is a 1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:38.880 guy that you really want him to get vertical into 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.760 the block and really attack the base block, right. You 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.200 don't want him trying to hold the point of attack 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:45.120 and posting. 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:48.080 Up and so the opposite of the defensive tackles that 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.240 they've had, like they would have never drafted this guy 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:53.920 under built. And that doesn't mean he's bad players. Stylistically, 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:56.160 he's very different than what Patriots fans are used to 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:56.880 seeing at the defensive. 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.520 Yeah, so as much as he's got a powerful upper 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.400 body and good twitch off the ball, and he's got 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:04.320 good snap quickness to really get into the line of 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:07.360 scrimmage and fire his hands. But if you're asking him 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:10.280 to eat blocks, like that's not his game. He's not 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:12.760 a block eater. He's more of like a reset the 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:15.000 line of scrimmage kind of guy and then use his 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.160 upper body power to shed the block. I would also say, 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:20.480 you know, just in the pass rush, his pads will 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:22.600 get up and then that will sap his power. So 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.640 like when he goes to bull rush guys, he gets 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:27.400 a little high with his pads and then then he 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:29.800 doesn't have the bull rushing power that you would probably 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:32.320 like to see out of him as like a foundational 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:35.200 rush in his pass rush. So there's some technique stuff 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:38.880 in general, block anticipation technique stuff that they will need 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:43.480 to you know, round out or improve as his career progresses. 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:46.520 But like I said earlier, I just I love the 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:48.560 idea of giving a guy like this to Terrell Williams. 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:50.680 Like I think Terrell Williams will fix a lot of 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:54.560 those types of things or work to mitigate them, you know, 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:56.680 kind of like Bill style, where you just hide them 1:01:56.800 --> 1:01:59.000 instead of maybe you can't get it out of him. 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:01.080 So you just kind of hide him. But the one 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:05.040 thing I will say, I didn't think that he consistently 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:08.760 played to his physical ceiling, Like he has a much 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.080 higher physical ceiling than what he showed at at Florida 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:14.640 State at times. But I think that he can get 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:18.080 there with the right type of coaching. So I'm excited 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.640 about seeing Terrell Williams work with a player like this 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:24.439 all right in the fifth round bright In Swinson from 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:28.240 lsu A, is it fair to call him a media darling? 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:29.840 He's kind of a media darling, Like I feel like 1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:31.280 the draft media was very high. 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.960 Well, I think I'm very because of how much he fell. Yeah, right, 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:35.960 a guy that was. I don't even think Consts's top 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:37.760 one hundred. I think in sins Hiss top seventy five. 1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:39.960 Yeah, I had him in the top one hundred for short. 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:41.440 And to get him at one forty six, I think 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:42.840 that was a big part of it. Was just like 1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:45.280 there's always those players here and there in the draft. Evan, 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.800 I'm sure you've experienced it, especially once you get into 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:50.720 Day three, the picks or something coming so quick, and 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:53.200 you're following what your team's doing, and you know you'll 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:55.840 see a guy get drafted. He hadn't gotten yet. Yeah, 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:58.320 Like I think CJ. Dupree is a UGFA with somebody 1:02:58.360 --> 1:02:59.640 like that for me. But I think Swinson a lot 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:02.480 of people probably you know, you're doing what you're doing 1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:05.320 on day three and you're not necessarily tracking each individual pick, 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:07.480 trying to catch up every you know, five ten minutes 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.640 and suddenly it's wait, he hadn't gone yet, And I 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:10.840 think he was one of those guys. 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.480 So I had him eighty seventh in my top one hundred. 1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:16.560 Him and Jordan Birch from Oregon were really close for me. 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.080 Like there Birch go, I think he went a little 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:22.640 bit earlier, but similar players, you know, similar type. 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:25.320 Jordan Birch went. Well know you have them similar some 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:28.240 curiosies for the point of the value. Birch went seventy eight. Yeah, 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:30.120 so it's not a little bit sooner. 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:32.960 I'll let I'll let Dane talk about some of the 1:03:33.000 --> 1:03:34.600 reasons why he might have fallen. 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:36.280 Swinston was seventy one on the consensus. 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:39.560 We asked Dan about Swinson, who was his favorite Day 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:41.760 three pick out of the Patriots Hall, and he had 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:44.520 some good intel on why he might have fallen. So 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:46.720 you guys will hear that at the end of the show. 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:51.880 But in terms of Swinson's skill set, I describe him 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:53.960 as a speed to power rusher, Like that's sort of 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:56.160 how I see him. Other people see him as more 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:58.080 of a pure speed guy with a great bend. I 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:01.320 think he's got a little bit of both his game. Look, 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:04.800 he had sixty pressures last year at LSU, So sixty 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.440 pressures in the SEC is not something to it's. 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:07.959 Not light work. 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:08.919 That's not light work. 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:11.280 And he didn't have to face the short arm tackle. 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.840 Yeah right, he only did in practice, So sixty. 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:16.200 Se LSU put out a picture of the two of 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:18.760 them in practice, like going at each other. Yeah, that's 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:19.280 always cool. 1:04:20.040 --> 1:04:24.240 Sixty pressures and thirty one stops too in twenty twenty 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:28.880 four at LSU. That's really good production. And what I 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:32.040 like so much about Swinson and players of this mold, 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:34.480 I think when you look at the players that succeed 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.000 in the past rushing in the NFL, most of them 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:41.240 win with speed and win with bent. It's not a 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:46.160 lot and sometimes it happens like like hand up, I 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:48.560 kind of not miss, but like was lower than I 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.800 should have been on Jared Verse because Jared versus a 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:52.800 straight through you to the quarterback kind of guy, right, 1:04:52.800 --> 1:04:56.560 Like he is a power rusher and a lot of 1:04:56.600 --> 1:04:59.880 the times you get burned by those guys Tyree Wilson, Right, 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:02.240 that's the guy in Vegas that they drafted like eight 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:04.240 to oh level a couple of years ago. That would 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.400 just ragged all people. Well, you can do that at 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:08.400 the college level, you can't necessarily do that at the 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:10.840 NFL level. Well, I like so much about Swinton is 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:12.960 that he does have speed off the line, and he 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:16.360 has bent so he can win with pure speed on 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:19.400 the edge. I think he can also generate or create 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:22.400 or convert speed to power. He has a really good 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:25.320 first step. He has decent length on the edge about 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:28.240 you know, average to above average length. So I think 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:30.760 that he's a guy that, even though there's some knocks 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:33.120 on him in the run defense in terms of setting 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:35.960 the edge and posting up and being thirty out there 1:05:36.000 --> 1:05:38.200 and all that kind of stuff, when you see him, 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:40.440 you know, off the weak side, being able to get 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:44.000 downhill at the line of scrimmage, he can run through 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:46.520 blockers and he can make plays in the run game 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:52.800 that way. Short term, his best path to getting on 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:55.000 the field or making an impact on the team is 1:05:55.080 --> 1:05:57.760 rushing the passer. There's no doubt about that. He's definitely 1:05:57.840 --> 1:06:01.200 a situational third down rusher on in his career. But 1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:03.800 similar to what we do with Uch over the years, 1:06:03.800 --> 1:06:07.040 like can he get good enough against the run to 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:09.400 be a three down player? That's gonna be the question 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:11.560 with him. I have no doubt in my mind he's 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:13.560 going to stick in the league as a pass rusher. Yeah, 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:15.800 He's going to be a third down situational pass rusher 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:18.120 in the NFL. The question is is he going to 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:21.360 be able to be more than that? That's I don't know. 1:06:21.560 --> 1:06:23.480 Yeah, it's a fair question. But for where they took 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:27.160 him to get a situational pass rusher there and they 1:06:27.200 --> 1:06:29.760 needed more pass rush depth, So it makes sense to me. 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:34.400 I think he's another guy too that if the coach 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:36.720 is like, this is a coaching staff that's kind of 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:38.360 coached up guys with these row trades and got in 1:06:38.400 --> 1:06:40.480 a high level. So he mentioned he was excited to 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:42.439 work with the Patriots coaching staff when when we talked 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:44.520 to him after the pick. Yeah, so we'll see, but 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:45.880 I think there is untap potential there. 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:48.120 Yeah, he's over two hundred and fifty pounds, So he's 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:50.919 not tiny. It's not like he's six three, two fifty five. 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:52.120 So he's a well built guy. 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:54.840 He's not built like if you think like speed rusher, like, 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:57.440 he's not built like any of those guys just flying 1:06:57.440 --> 1:06:58.400 around the edge, right, And. 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:01.840 He's not built like a guy that couldn't be better 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:03.680 against the run right right, Like, he's not a two 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:07.880 ordred He's not Jasiah Stewart, where he's six and forty 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.480 pounds soaking wet. I just thought some of the things 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:14.080 that he struggled with in the run game. He's a 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:17.440 he's a he's a head ducker into contact. So like 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.720 when he comes off the ball and he sees the block, 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:22.600 he's gonna duck his head into contact, and that's to 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:25.520 generate power and force right into the block, right. But 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:27.440 the problem when you do that is is that you 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:30.640 lose sight of the football. So what happened to him 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:33.360 is he would duck his head into contact, he would 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.560 create movement, but then the guy would bounce out of 1:07:36.560 --> 1:07:38.360 his edge and he wouldn't see it coming, right, He 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:40.720 wouldn't have eyes in the backfield, or it would be 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:43.040 like a zone read and he wouldn't see the quarterback 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:46.080 keep it, so he'd lose the edge that way. Those 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:47.440 were the things that you saw with some of the 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:51.160 head ducking with him on tape, a couple of the 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:54.880 other things just I discipline, you know, misdirection, you know, 1:07:55.360 --> 1:07:57.880 those are the things that I thought were you know, 1:07:58.000 --> 1:08:00.920 kind of had him. Anchor was a little hit or 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:04.439 miss in the run game as well. So even though 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:06.840 the anchor, I don't know if that's gonna asking brew. 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:08.680 Maybe it does. Maybe he adds more mass in play 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:11.960 strength in the NFL NFL strength and conditioning program, as 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:14.920 Paul Pirella likes to say. But in my mind that 1:08:14.960 --> 1:08:18.560 if he can just be more eyes in the backfield 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:21.120 and head up in eyes in the backfield, and more 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:23.760 focused on the ball in the backfield, I actually don't 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.760 think he necessarily needs to be super strong on the edge, 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:28.559 especially in a scheme like this. It's going to allow 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:30.879 him to get up the field. So I think Swinson's 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:32.080 going to be a solid gift for them in the 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:35.920 fifth rounding. Most people do all right, it's your time 1:08:35.960 --> 1:08:39.639 to shine again. The kicker. Yeah, how excited are you 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:42.000 that the Patriots drafted the kicker Alex So. 1:08:42.120 --> 1:08:43.720 I like the way they did this. A lot of 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:49.320 people are nervous. We're talking Andy Boorgallis from Miami Automatic 1:08:49.400 --> 1:08:52.960 Andy as they called him. I like that, which is 1:08:52.560 --> 1:08:55.679 is is fair because he Jeremy Springer when we talked 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:58.960 to him last month, said consistency. That was like the 1:08:58.960 --> 1:09:03.480 big thing he kept talking out when he's asked about kickers, consistency, consistency, consistency. 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.880 Borgallis the most consistent kicker in the draft. He doesn't 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:10.639 have necessarily the highest highs compared to some other guys, 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:14.640 but he never like Ben Saals, was my guy for 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:16.559 a while, right. Ben Saals did have a pretty bad 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.880 twenty twenty three, Like he was not good in twenty 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:21.880 twenty three, rebounded in a big way in twenty twenty four. 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:27.080 Borgallis was just steady Eddy, steady Andy, like he his 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:29.720 numbers took a jump in twenty twenty four was his 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:32.439 best season. But he never really had You don't really 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:34.280 look at him having a bad year. He just kind 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:36.600 of got progressively better every year. So that's why I 1:09:36.640 --> 1:09:40.000 think they took him. And I get people might be 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:45.559 nervous after what happened with Chad Ryland a couple years ago, 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:48.000 so where it's a little different. They took Chad Rylands 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:51.519 in the fourth round. He was there I think fifth pick, 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:52.519 fourth or fifth pick. 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:53.200 Yeah. 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:56.280 They took Andy Borgallis in the sixth round as their 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:59.800 eighth pick I believe seventh or eighth, So it's a 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:02.360 lot lot less risk for a guy that I think 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:04.479 is a better kicker. The other thing is Borgoalis is 1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:07.200 the first kicker off the board. The Patriots actually kicked 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:09.120 off the kicker and Tyler Lup went to the Ravens 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.679 a few picks later. The reason the Patriots took Ryland 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:15.280 as high as they did in that draft was the 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:18.559 forty nine ers reached on Jake Moody, who also hasn't 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:20.800 been great. They took Jake Moody in the top one hundred, 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:24.480 so that was more reactionary pick than anything else. The Patriots. 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:27.000 They this was not like, shoot, we got to get 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:29.640 a kicker, and you know, drafting somebody higher because you're afraid. No, 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:31.559 they took the kicker when they wanted to take the kicker. 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:34.920 So you know he should beat out John Parker Romo 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:38.080 for the job. He's a guy that doesn't have the 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.080 biggest leg, but has a big leg. I think you 1:10:40.160 --> 1:10:44.559 feel comfortable fifty to fifty one fifty two. I don't 1:10:44.600 --> 1:10:47.960 know that he's somebody you're going to in the like 1:10:48.720 --> 1:10:52.800 fifty seven fifty eight range, but you know, I know 1:10:52.880 --> 1:10:55.400 you feel strongly about this. You and the past have 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:57.680 been okay with that because you want them going for 1:10:57.720 --> 1:11:00.000 it in that range. You don't want some kicking field goals. 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:01.880 So come on, stretch, do it for me. 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:04.760 His career on stretch, his career long is fifty six. 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:08.360 He's been pretty good from fifty when he's tried it, 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:12.559 but it's mostly low fifties. So it's not like Nick Folk, 1:11:12.600 --> 1:11:15.840 all right, forty and in he's automatic, anything like forty 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:18.120 nine plus, you're just not going to try he'll step 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:22.800 into that fifty range. But he's consistent, he's experienced, and 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:25.519 he also one of his coaches talked about an interview 1:11:25.560 --> 1:11:28.200 like he has a linebacker mentality. Jeremy Springer talked about 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:30.200 it's going to be important that kickers can cover kickoffs 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:33.360 now in this new rules, and this is the thing 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:35.879 he's willing to do that. Yeah, the one question, obviously, 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.280 can he kick in the colt? And that's not something 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:40.599 we can answer during training. Cam right, We're not gonna 1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:42.559 get answer that till we get an answer, I will say. 1:11:43.400 --> 1:11:45.439 When he was asked about it, I loved his answer 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:48.240 because a lot of kickers get asked about that and say, well, 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:50.479 kicking is kicking, Like I'm not really worried about it, 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:53.800 he said, I understand it's a question, and I'm looking 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:55.960 forward to prove people wrong because it's not the same. 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:59.160 Kicking today when it's seventy degrees in Sonny is not 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:01.439 the same as kicking the snowstorm is not the same 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:03.680 as kicking when it's driving rain and forty degrees with 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:06.599 twenty mile an hour winds. It's not And he's going 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:08.240 to have to learn how to do it. It's going 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:11.080 to be an adjustment. But and this isn't me saying 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:12.720 he can do it again. This is the kind of 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:15.920 thing where you don't know till you know. But I 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:19.120 do like that he's taking the approach of not saying, well, 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:21.360 I don't really care about it, like he clearly cares. 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:23.439 He clearly understands it's different. Said, He's looked up to 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:25.760 Adam and Terry, so he has some understanding of that. 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:27.479 We'll just have to see if he can do it. 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:29.120 Yeah, I think can they put him in like the 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:31.840 Rocky ice box maybe, Like I've always thought that that 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:34.519 was something that Bill would do eventually, is like, yeah, 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:39.400 just turn the act and like you do is practice 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:41.760 in the in the meeting. Well, the Saints did that 1:12:41.800 --> 1:12:43.760 with their quarterbacks last year before game in Green Bay. 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:45.760 Do you remember that they put it. They cleared out 1:12:45.840 --> 1:12:48.679 they cleared out the big walk in fridge in the cafeteria. Yeah, 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:50.600 and they had like a walk through in the in 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:52.600 the freezer. Yeah, so well you need more room to 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:54.599 kick the ball. But maybe they're building this new facility. 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:57.440 Yeah, maybe they are real like climate control. 1:12:57.120 --> 1:12:59.000 Right, and then they get it down to ten degrees, 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:01.880 get the fans blown and I'm just on a simulator. 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:05.160 It's it seems like something that Bill would do, and 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:06.800 it kind of seems like something very able would do 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:08.600 because he's kind of cut from the same cloth that 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:10.880 they would figure out a way to get bork Oz, 1:13:10.960 --> 1:13:13.439 Like maybe they'd send him to like someplace else, you know, 1:13:13.680 --> 1:13:17.280 to to like get experience, like where is it winter 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:20.120 all the time? I don't know, Antarctic North Pole? 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:22.000 Well, so something Springer talked about when I asked him 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:24.559 about this, was like for him, it's about how well 1:13:24.600 --> 1:13:27.639 the guy strikes the ball. And think about this with quarterbacks, right, 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:30.040 When a lot of people think about arm strength, they 1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:32.960 think about how far you can throw the ball. And 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:35.639 that's one interpretation of arm strength, or that's one function 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:40.360 of it. Another is, you know, five yard slant. Your 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:43.719 arm strength still matters because are you throwing the ball, 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:46.960 you know, sixty miles now or fifty miles now? Like 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:48.280 how long is it going to take to get there? 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:50.599 And so what Springer had said was when he looks 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:52.559 at these guys, he kind of looks at how does 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:54.799 their foot hit the ball? Yeah, what kind of contact 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:57.839 do they make? So a guy who was big leg strength, 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:00.280 you know, leg strength can be a function of maybe 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:03.080 he's not hitting sixty yardfield goals, but when he hits 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:06.519 the ball, he makes really solid contact. It has good rotation, 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:09.280 It is good velocity because that's going to cut through 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:11.160 the wind and the rain and the snow. 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:14.120 So you can kind of scout it without being in 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:15.160 the right It's. 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:17.559 Not perfect, but it's something that will help you tell 1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:19.960 It translates and one of the reporters down in Miami 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:23.920 put out a tweet after Borgallis was drafted that basically, 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:26.000 I want to see if I can find the exact tweet, 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.080 but he basically said, like Borgallis was the second most 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:32.960 impressive player at Miami's pro day, obviously behind cam Ward 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:37.680 because it sounded like a gunshot, that that was the 1:14:37.720 --> 1:14:41.200 cannon fire guy, yeah, or cannon fire whatever cannon fired. 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:43.760 I saw that as well. I like that line. 1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:46.600 I'm okay. So that's something where you look at and 1:14:46.640 --> 1:14:49.800 we talked about this with with Bryce Barrier. Yeah, when 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:52.320 they drafted him was when the ball hits it, and 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:54.519 if you go way back to Quinn Nordina, Quinn Nordean 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:57.080 wasn't nearly as accurate. Yeah, but this is a guy 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:59.639 that the ball comes off as foo's strong, so there's 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:01.160 not gonna be as much room for the wind to 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:01.880 knock it around. 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:05.559 So that's Brgalis And I don't think you're gonna get 1:15:05.960 --> 1:15:08.360 any more thorough of a kicker breakdown than that. So 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:13.120 you're welcome for that. One seventh round to twenty overall. 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:18.120 Marcus Bryant, left tackle from Missouri, started his career at SMU, 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:25.679 was at Missouri last year and they were so confident, 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:27.439 I guess is the word or so comfortable. I think 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:31.519 it's a better word. And Marcus Bryant that they didn't 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:36.400 flip Membo, and they had talks at Missouri about potentially 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.559 flipping Membo, Memb who played left tackle in high school. 1:15:40.000 --> 1:15:42.840 They were thinking that maybe they were going to flip him. 1:15:43.280 --> 1:15:46.559 Then they end up getting Brian in the portal from 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:48.120 SMU and they're like, all right, well, we have this 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:51.599 experience left tackle coming from a decent level of football 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:54.599 at SMU and good program, so we feel pretty good 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:57.000 and we're gonna not mess around with Membo and we're 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:59.479 going to keep him on the right side. So Marcus 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:03.000 Bryant ends up playing left tackle for Missouri last year, 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:05.360 last couple of years, right, I think. 1:16:05.200 --> 1:16:06.680 It was just last last year. I think it was 1:16:06.720 --> 1:16:11.880 just last year. But he Javon Foster two years ago. 1:16:11.920 --> 1:16:15.360 What I like about the Bryant pick is that this 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:20.519 is again a bet on tools, like this is a 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:24.240 trade s based prospect. Is a guy that's got good measurables, 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:28.360 you know, six seven three three twenty uh requisite arm. 1:16:28.320 --> 1:16:30.920 Length beyond requisite thirty five ines. 1:16:30.920 --> 1:16:32.599 I think it's all. I think it's thirty four plus. 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:39.400 I was going to say, and a really good testing. Yeah, 1:16:39.520 --> 1:16:42.840 good tester as Wester. So you put on Would you 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:45.240 tell me about his RAS score? It was high, right, 1:16:45.479 --> 1:16:48.840 was it? I can't remember text as too many numbers. 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:51.919 It was good. I remember it being good like elite, 1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:53.240 like in their elite range. 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:55.800 Marcus Bryant's taught this was from you. I don't know 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:58.200 if you were being facetious or not. Marcus Bryant's top 1:16:58.320 --> 1:17:01.320 RAS comparisons are Oh I remember this now, Yeah, that 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:03.840 was Joe Thomas and Jonathan Ogden and then you throw 1:17:03.840 --> 1:17:04.599 any Andrew Whitworth. 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:06.960 It was the three. And I'm dead serious. And this 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:09.839 obviously is cut his tongue in cheek, but I'm dead serious. 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:13.840 I pulled up his RAS card. RIS is Relative athletics score. 1:17:14.120 --> 1:17:17.480 It's the best thing going right now to put combine 1:17:17.600 --> 1:17:20.080 numbers into context. And when I like so much about 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:23.680 RIS is. First of all, it's it's weight adjusted. So 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:26.880 if you're a three hundred and fifty pounds tackle, it 1:17:26.960 --> 1:17:29.120 adjusts for the fact that your three hundred fifty pounds 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:31.920 and somebody else might be three hundred pounds, right, which matters. 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.160 The other thing that I like about it is. It's 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:37.799 not just gauging the forty like it takes into account 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:41.439 the jumps, the agilities the forty and to get an 1:17:41.479 --> 1:17:44.679 all encompassing number, because let's face it, it's not just about 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:47.320 how fast you run forty yards, right, Like, that's not 1:17:47.439 --> 1:17:50.920 the only gauge of athleticism. So Bryan tested really well. 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:55.120 He measured really well, and his best comps for the 1:17:55.200 --> 1:17:57.759 names you just named. Now, he's not going to be those. 1:17:57.600 --> 1:17:59.920 Guys like a it was a joke, ribbing fun. 1:18:00.360 --> 1:18:03.040 Uh, he's not gonna be those guys. Uh, but he 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:05.479 if you're gonna take a flyer on the seventh round 1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:07.240 and if they were gonna double dip a tackle, I 1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:08.840 don't know if this is truly a double dip when 1:18:08.880 --> 1:18:11.360 you pick somebody in the seventh round, but it's two tackles. 1:18:12.439 --> 1:18:15.280 If you're gonna technically, if you're gonna take a second tackle, 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:18.040 this wasn't this the type of tackle you wanted to take, 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:21.320 Like you took the the Will Campbell pick is the 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:26.360 the safe, uh well rounded, great kid, high in tangible, 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:31.439 high high football character uh SEC. Powerhouse tape, you know, 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:35.519 great tape against great players all the all the boxes 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:38.360 checked with Will Campbell, if you're gonna double dip that tackle. 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:41.800 We were talking about Charles Grant, Anthony Belton, you know 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:44.000 those types of guys pre draft. They waited a little 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:46.400 bit longer, but they got a guy with a lot 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:49.679 of raw talent that they can hopefully develop maybe into 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:51.639 a backup or a swing tackle at some point. 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:53.599 So that's the big thing for me with Marcus Bryant 1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:56.080 is is he's athletic. He's got experience on the right 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:58.879 and left side. We talked about this, they needed backups 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:02.000 and Darian Lowe maybe he can be your backup left tackle, 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:04.400 but he can't play on the right side. Kayden Wallace 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:06.240 can be your backup right tackle, but he can't play 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:09.080 on the left side. So if Marcus Bryant can prove 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:11.600 he can be a backup caliber player, it saves you 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:14.559 having to keep a tackle. I think ideally long term, 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:18.240 Like my ideal projection for him, this ideal ideal. You know, 1:19:18.280 --> 1:19:20.320 he's a big, powerful guy. He can be proves he 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:22.400 can be a starting right tackle in the Patriots system 1:19:22.760 --> 1:19:25.120 if he's gonna play long term, like that's where he's 1:19:25.120 --> 1:19:27.439 gonna stick. Because he does have experience on both sides. 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.160 But I think, like, what would be great if he 1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:31.160 can just be your backup tackle, and maybe they still 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:33.880 keep Kyden Wallace because they want to develop a long 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.479 term right tacklet with a much higher ceiling. They want 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:39.639 to develop a long term right tackle behind Morgan Moses, 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:43.640 but like if they just want to, you know, in 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.640 terms of basic depth, Marcus Bryant's the only guy on 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:49.360 the roster that can play both tackle spots. So if 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:51.240 he can prove he can be a backup caliber player, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:53.120 it saves you a roster spot because now you don't 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:55.200 have to carry and they still might you don't have 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:58.320 to carry a backup right tackle and a backup left tackle. 1:19:58.520 --> 1:19:59.719 He's gonna fill both spots. 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:03.400 It was definitely something I was considering. I put together 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:07.280 my roster, you know, re configured the ninety man roster, 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:09.760 and I like to do it too deep on the 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:12.280 depth chart. And when I was doing the too deep 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:14.960 and stuff like that, I was thinking about tackle. So 1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:18.559 right now, Campbell and Moses obviously are your starters left 1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:21.559 and right. Uh Vederian Lowe is a left tackle. Only 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:24.519 we know that, you know, like you said, Cayden Wallace, 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:27.160 who we I agree I think Caden Wallace is worth 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:30.160 keeping around to develop as a long term right tackle option. 1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:34.320 Maybe he can't start down the road. Demadri Jacobs has 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:36.960 played a little bit of both. But I say this 1:20:37.000 --> 1:20:38.719 with all due respect, I don't know if Demantre Jacobs 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:39.440 an NFL. 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:41.439 Player right, well, you just have more upside with Brian. 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:43.680 You know, he's kind of a practice squad guy to me, 1:20:43.960 --> 1:20:46.559 and then you have Bryant, right, So really, when you 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.519 think about it, they're going to keep Campbell, They're gonna 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:53.080 keep Moses. Yeah, we think they're probably gonna keep Wallace, 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:55.120 the third round pick in his second year, didn't really 1:20:55.160 --> 1:20:58.200 play as a rookie. He probably is gonna stay. 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:00.519 Well. Wallace could also move inside of guard too, like 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:01.960 they had kind of talked about that a little bit 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:03.880 last year, maybe being something that never happened because they 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:05.720 just need to tackle so bad and he got hurt. 1:21:05.760 --> 1:21:08.320 So you don't have to keep four, right, If they 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:13.040 do keep four, would it make more sense. Let's let's 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:15.840 say Will Campbell comes out of the gate and training 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:19.360 campus is an absolute stud and you're you never think 1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:21.680 twice about it about setting and forgetting him. 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:22.719 It would be nice. 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:27.439 Yeah, then do they really need to keep ve Darian Lowe, 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:29.600 who is kind of is who he is and is 1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:32.240 only a one position backup right over a guy like 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:35.680 Marcus Bryant who has some upside, has some tools and 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:37.920 might be a multi position. 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:40.160 Back as long as Bryant can can prove he can 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:40.759 be that player. 1:21:40.840 --> 1:21:43.800 Yeah, yep, And go back to his RIS scores eight 1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:45.439 point nine to six out of ten, which is an 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:52.400 the elite range for Bryan. Great explosiveness, vertical jump of 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:54.760 thirty one and a half at six seven and three 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:57.599 twenty which is a good number, and a four nine 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:01.519 seven forty yard dashub five forty yard it's insane at 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:05.680 six seven, So that's moving. That's moving. So when you 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.280 look at Campbell, when you look at Brian, and you 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:11.439 look at Jared Wilson, they got some athletes on the 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:14.559 offensive line, like those guys are not just you know, 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:17.200 it's not just the film with those guys, Like those 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:20.840 guys have great measurables in athletics traits as well. All right, 1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:28.440 moving on back to you and Julian Ashby the long snapper. 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:31.479 I'm glad this kind of happened before the show. Joe 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:35.320 Cardona released yesterday. Yeah, we should mention that ten year patriot, 1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:39.639 two times super Bowl champ, the last two or three. 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:43.879 Three times super got here in fifteen, right, so two. 1:22:45.360 --> 1:22:49.840 Yeah, two time super Bowl champ, longest tenured Patriot, the 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:51.960 last Patriot on the roster to have won a Super 1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:53.200 Bowl in New England. 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:55.440 Last one to beat teammates with Tom Brady in New England. 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:56.800 Last one to be the teammates with Tom Brady in 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:57.360 New England. 1:22:57.720 --> 1:22:59.320 But they do have somebody who won a Super Bowl 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:02.040 with Tom Brady on the roster in Tampa. In Tampa, 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:03.240 Carlton Davis. 1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:10.120 Should mention Ron Burton Award winner for Community service. Just 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:12.280 a really I know he's a long snapper. I know 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:14.400 it's not the most valuable position or anything like that, 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:16.840 but just a really well rounded guy, like a really 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:21.120 well rounded patriot. Obviously a patriot as well, you know, 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:24.880 with military stuff, but in general, great in the community, 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:28.640 great on the team, team captain last year. Just a 1:23:28.640 --> 1:23:30.960 good dude. I wish Cardona the best. I hope that 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:34.360 he sticked someplace else. But the reason why they cut 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:37.519 Joe Cardona was because they drafted a long snapper. If 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:39.360 you're going to draft and use a draft pick on 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:41.360 a long snapper, he's going to be the long snapper 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:44.360 most likely. So what can you tell me about Julian Ashby? 1:23:44.640 --> 1:23:48.160 So he's really athletic, he had an elite another elite 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:50.280 RAS guy. He had a faster ten yard split in 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:54.280 the forty than I know. 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:55.360 That's the fun one. 1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:58.040 We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. Yeah, 1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:00.800 because he is a little undersized, which people but this 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:03.280 is the way teams are using the long snapper now. 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:05.920 And Joe Cardona talked about this last year. If you 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:07.760 remember when he goes down he forces the fumble in 1:24:07.800 --> 1:24:10.559 the opener against Cincinnati, he was talking about and said, yeah, 1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:12.559 like I'm actually going down the field now because under 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:15.000 Bill that's not how they used the long snapper. The 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:16.760 long snapper stayed back and blocked, and it was one 1:24:16.760 --> 1:24:19.200 of the last guys down the field. Didn't really make tackles, 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:20.800 didn't make plays on the football. It was more of 1:24:20.800 --> 1:24:23.640 a protector. But there's this other philosophy where because the 1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:26.519 long snapper, you can't line up directly over him, and 1:24:26.560 --> 1:24:28.759 he's the one snapping the ball and getting the play started, 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:30.880 he kind of has a head start getting down the field, 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:33.479 so with some teams do now instead of finding more 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:37.920 blocking prototype long snappers, they find these quicker guys who 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:39.680 can go down the field and be the first down 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:41.719 there and make a play. And if you watch Julian Ashby, 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:44.000 he does a lot of that. Brian Hins from Pats 1:24:44.040 --> 1:24:47.080 Polpit has some clips of this, including two against Alabama. 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:49.479 So this is more the kind of player that I 1:24:49.479 --> 1:24:51.800 think Jeremy Springer wants is the guy who's going to 1:24:51.800 --> 1:24:54.439 be an athlete snapped the ball. He's beating the gunners 1:24:54.479 --> 1:24:57.559 down the field. At Vanderbilt, he's beating the gunners usually 1:24:57.560 --> 1:24:59.880 like the fastest guy on the team. He's beating those 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:02.120 down the field to make plays on the ball. He's 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:05.800 a solid tackler. So I think it's it's a stylistic change. 1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:07.280 They want a guy that can go and be a 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:09.719 factor in coverage and not just the guy who's gonna 1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:11.920 snap and protect. And that's what Ashby's gonna do. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:15.360 So when you talk about being the first down the field, 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:18.600 the fastest way is a straight line, right, So the 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:21.560 guys on the outside obviously have to come in and 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:23.920 they also have to be blocks on the outside. So 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:26.479 the long snapper is uncovered and he's right up the gut. 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:29.599 So if you kick the ball right into the middle 1:25:29.640 --> 1:25:31.479 of the field, which usually you don't want to do, 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:33.479 But if you kick it right up the middle, then 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:35.360 the long snapper and stands the reason would be the 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:36.160 first one down there. 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:38.519 So the thing about that, and different people will tell 1:25:38.520 --> 1:25:41.519 you different things on this, but yes, usually don't want 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:43.280 to kick it down the middle of the field if 1:25:43.280 --> 1:25:45.519 you're trying to pin a team, right, if you're punting 1:25:45.520 --> 1:25:47.320 from around the fifty, you're trying to pin a team. 1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:51.800 The sideline can be a friend or a foe. It 1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:53.880 gives you another place where the ball can go out. 1:25:53.920 --> 1:25:56.479 But it also is like if you kick it too short, 1:25:56.920 --> 1:25:58.479 you might not get the bounce because it's going to 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:01.880 roll out. So get us some more opportunities to down balls, 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:03.800 maybe in the middle of the field instead of cough 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:06.439 and cornering, which is unfortunately becoming a lost art in 1:26:06.439 --> 1:26:06.920 the NFL. 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:09.400 So this guy's a pretty good athlete for a long stow, 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:12.960 really good athlete. Yeah, he's eight point five to three 1:26:13.080 --> 1:26:15.720 RAS score out of ten uh four nine? 1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:19.800 What's his so the RAS breaks some things down. What's 1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:21.000 his size grade within that? 1:26:21.240 --> 1:26:24.439 So he's uh, he's small. He's okay, size six one 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:27.240 two thirty one, and the two thirty one is below thresh. 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:30.240 So he's a elite I think in all the other categories, right. 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:32.719 Great, great, an elite lead speed great. 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:36.040 So he's probably closer to a nine RS when you 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:37.160 don't factor in his size. 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:39.040 So the big number is the one point five to 1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:41.920 six ten yard split, Yeah, which is moving like that's 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:43.439 moving out of the he gets out of the the 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:45.960 blocks and goes Yeah, that's a really good number. That 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:49.000 would be a good number for like receivers, right, yeah, 1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:51.000 So that's a really good number. One point five six, 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:54.880 that's a individually, that's a perfect ten out of ten score. 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:57.960 Maybe he'll actually have a decent rating in Maden since 1:26:57.960 --> 1:27:00.000 they don't recognize long snappers and make them tight ends. 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:01.880 They still don't do that. 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:03.680 They still don't do that. That's crazy, I know, and 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:05.760 doing the college game either. So I finally got to 1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:08.800 do I've been waiting ten years tweet out all the 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:11.920 overall ratings for all the Patriots draft picks, poor Julian 1:27:12.000 --> 1:27:14.759 ash Everybody I think was eighty five or higher except 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:17.360 poor Julian Ashby. I have to do a fifty six 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:20.000 with an asterisk because it's still tight ends. They don't 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:20.880 recognize them as long. 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:22.680 A sam Well. Is that just because they don't want 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.040 to put in the work to actually evaluate the long snappers. 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:27.160 Probably, but like you could we just broke it down, 1:27:27.200 --> 1:27:29.240 like there's things you could put in to make it 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:31.439 a thing that's true. 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:32.360 All right? 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:34.639 They three ninety overall guys from NCA. 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:37.080 By the way, it was a good draft. 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:37.479 Yeah. 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:42.280 Last one mister irrelevant himself, Kobe Minor, Yeah, from Memphis. 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:46.120 Kind of cool, mister irrelevant thing. Yeah, fun, Kobe Minor 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:49.880 from Memphis. I think the the thing that stands out 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:53.680 to me about this pick, oh, you know, besides him 1:27:53.720 --> 1:27:57.880 being mister irrelevant, which is notable, right, is uh, we've 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:02.720 talked a little bit about slock Corn and maybe you know, 1:28:02.760 --> 1:28:06.360 what's Marcus Jones's role in this defense is what's his fit? 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:09.880 What's his future with the Patriots? They could probably use 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:12.360 a little bit of depth in the slot. I mentioned 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.479 earlier that I was trying to put together my depth 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:19.080 chart the other day on Monday, and I didn't really 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:22.160 feel great about who to put behind Marcus Jones in 1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:25.920 the slot. It's probably Isaiah Bolden is the guy I 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:28.559 feel the best about is like a bigger slot corner. 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:31.360 He's practiced a little bit some in the slot with 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:34.160 the Patriots the last couple of years. Kobe Minor doesn't 1:28:34.160 --> 1:28:37.719 have great top end speed, but he's got coverage ability. 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:41.320 He's got zone coverage ability. He can handle those responsibilities, 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.800 and I think that a lot of people project him 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:47.800 to play be better off inside because of the lack 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:49.880 of long speed. So I do wonder if they're going 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:51.960 to have him come in and compete as a slot corner. 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:54.559 Yeah, that certainly seems like yet also a guy that's 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:56.840 a good athlete. I think in somebody that they probably 1:28:56.840 --> 1:28:59.599 have ear marked for a special team's role primarily, but yeah, 1:28:59.640 --> 1:29:01.759 they need did slot corner depth. He's going to compete. 1:29:02.040 --> 1:29:04.880 Jordan Paul, a guy, undrafted guy from Texas State, has 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:07.040 been listed a lot of places of safety, yeah, but 1:29:07.240 --> 1:29:11.120 primarily played slot corner for the Bobcats last year. There's 1:29:11.120 --> 1:29:12.559 gonna be an interesting competition there. 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:16.479 You see a lot of you know, scrappy physical I'm 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:18.760 not afraid to stick his hat in in the run game, 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:20.880 and when you hear those types of things, you know 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:25.559 nowadays Nicole leven personnel. You know, new strong sidelinebacker. Like 1:29:25.680 --> 1:29:28.080 you think about the slot and guys like that playing 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.600 a spot a slot, especially if they don't have the 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:33.240 top end speed to hang as outside corners. You can 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:35.720 move him back inside and maybe get something out of 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:38.439 him a flyer. You know, we'll see what happens with him. Obviously, 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:40.519 last pick in the draft. You're not expecting a ton 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:42.880 So that's the draft class. That was good. Look at 1:29:42.880 --> 1:29:44.120 that Look at that pace. 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:44.960 That's pretty good. 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:46.920 That was one of our best ever. Like normally this 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:51.000 show takes we saw the UDF phase, but that was 1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:53.640 a good pace. I'm proud of us. I really am 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:56.680 so about those u DFAs. Yeah, so the Patriots have 1:29:56.720 --> 1:30:00.920 signed an unbelievable quite a few ud fas. Uh, what 1:30:00.960 --> 1:30:03.839 are we up to now? Like like almost seventeen seventeen, 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:06.680 I was gonna say, right, we're getting to a high 1:30:06.800 --> 1:30:09.600 number here. So I have a couple that I'm higher on. 1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:12.439 I know you have a couple as well. I think 1:30:12.439 --> 1:30:15.000 the ones that are the most notable, uh to me 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:20.000 are Efton Chishom's got to be on the list. Land 1:30:20.040 --> 1:30:21.640 Larrison's got to be on the list. I think those 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:25.679 two guys are on everybody's list. Jack Connonlly from Boston 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:30.240 College I find interesting. And then of course the full 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:33.920 back Brock Lamb also c J Deprie. Oh, I can't 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:36.840 I'm probably the highest on CV and I just forgot 1:30:36.880 --> 1:30:39.160 ce Ja Prie. So I would say those five are 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:41.760 probably the guys that I look at. Oh and uh 1:30:41.920 --> 1:30:42.759 Elijah Ponder. 1:30:43.000 --> 1:30:45.080 Yeah, so six, we'll throw the one in on defense. 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:46.559 It's mostly an offensive class. 1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:49.759 So those six guys I look at and say probably 1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:54.920 have the best chance to push for roster spots. Who 1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:57.160 is your favorite? You know, we have a couple of minutes, 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:59.040 so you can, we can go on all six, But 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:00.000 who is your favorite? 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:06.120 My personal favorite is probably Larison. I think the guy 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:08.920 like this feels like a lazy take. Evan, I don't know. 1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:11.240 You tell me. Brock Lampi's the most likely to make 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:12.960 the team because he's on the top of the depth chart, 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:15.040 so like he's gonna make it because they need a 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:18.960 full back and he's a fullback. Beyond him, Larison's super 1:31:19.000 --> 1:31:21.960 fun reminds me a ton of Brandon Bolden. I think 1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:25.439 he's a physical ballcarrier. He can run between the tackles, 1:31:25.479 --> 1:31:26.960 he can catch the football. I think he's gonna be 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:29.840 a stud on special teams. I think he ends up 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:31.800 making the team. There could be like three or four 1:31:31.800 --> 1:31:34.680 of these guys who make the team. CJ. Dupree. We 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:37.120 talked about this guy a lot during the pre draft process. 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:39.880 Turned out they got him as a UDFA primarily blocking 1:31:39.920 --> 1:31:43.559 tight end, but has some receiving upside you can tap into. 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:46.840 Really was like the late Day three Mitchell Evans who 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:49.840 we liked but then obviously end up going undrafted. I 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:52.720 think to a lot of people's surprise. So I think 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:55.599 he has a good chance. Chisholm, I mean just cut 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:57.880 and dry, Josh McDaniel, slicker receiver. I don't know how 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:00.760 much more we need to say there and then I 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:04.000 also like Connolly can play four spots. We'll give you 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:08.000 some depth. We talked about the importance there. Wilfrid Pinay 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:10.240 will be an interesting one. I also like, I kind 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:14.679 of just mentioned him. Is Jordan Polk from Texas State. 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:16.920 A ton of slot experience, some of it's at the 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:20.679 FCS level, but has a ton of slot experience. Plays physically. 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:22.679 I think he forces three or four fumbles last year. 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:25.320 So they need a backup slot corner, and I think 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:26.920 he's gonna be right there in the mix of the competition. 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:28.920 Can play some safety as well, and should be a 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:30.400 good player on special teams. So there's a little g 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:32.799 Scott too, Like if they want a more of receiving 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:34.800 tight end, I think he's certainly got'd like to keep 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:36.920 on the practice squad and developed for a year. There's 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:38.880 a lot of guys that you look at. So I'll 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:41.200 have my list out tomorrow on ninety eight five the 1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:44.320 Sports of dot Com. Of like udfa's with the most 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:47.640 realistic path to the roster. I had ten guys that 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:50.120 I can see like having a realistic path to making 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:52.120 the team. It doesn't mean they all will. They won't. 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:54.920 You're not gonna have ten udfas, But like, there's ten 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:57.240 guys that I would not be surprised if they made 1:32:57.240 --> 1:32:57.599 the team. 1:32:58.280 --> 1:33:01.000 So I'll go in order of guys that basically I 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:03.880 thought were drafted to not you know, guys that are 1:33:03.920 --> 1:33:07.000 lower on my list. But suj Dupre, I'm shocked he 1:33:07.000 --> 1:33:11.640 didn't get drafted. And yeah, this happens deep tight end class. 1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:14.640 Someone's gonna fall through the CACS crack. Someone's not going 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:16.840 to get drafted. That's just the way it works in 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:21.040 deep classes. Duprie was one of those guys. For my money, 1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:24.680 I thought dupri was one of the best inline blockers 1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:27.240 on day three in the class. Put him right up 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:31.360 there with you know, Jackson Hawes and Latchie from Iowa 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:34.439 and like those guys. I thought he blocked really really well. 1:33:34.720 --> 1:33:38.080 I know there's some questions about finish and sort of 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:41.200 power to sustain and things like that. I didn't see 1:33:41.200 --> 1:33:43.160 that in a couple of games of his that I watched, 1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:45.280 I thought that he finished really well. I put a 1:33:45.280 --> 1:33:47.960 clip up on Twitter of him just kind of throwing 1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:49.959 a guy out of the club, you know, on the sideline. 1:33:50.000 --> 1:33:52.600 I put another one up of him comboing up on 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:55.200 an inline block of and him just burying the dude 1:33:55.200 --> 1:33:57.160 into the ground and flexing on him, Like this is 1:33:57.200 --> 1:33:59.320 the guy that can really block. If you're gonna make 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:02.040 the team as a third tight end, blocking and special 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:04.040 teams is your path, right, Like, that's the way to 1:34:04.080 --> 1:34:06.280 do it. And I think du pre can do both 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:08.240 of those things. You know, play on the wing on 1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:10.880 special teams, on the protection units and things like that, 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:13.920 and then also block in line on as a third 1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:16.080 tight end. He has a little bit of juice, like 1:34:16.120 --> 1:34:18.920 he's a four to six ish guy. In the forty 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:23.599 yard dash, it wasn't a terrible time, above average speed 1:34:23.640 --> 1:34:26.920 at straight line speed. He was an afterthought in Alabama's 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:29.920 passing game, as you would expect with all the six nine, 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:32.800 all the talent they have at that school. But he 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:34.720 you know, they would dump them off, you know, tight 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:38.280 end screens, little you know, slipouts into the flats, things 1:34:38.360 --> 1:34:40.519 like that, and let him run with the ball. And 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:42.320 he was pretty good with the ball in his hands. 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:44.679 And he's got a little bit of straight line speed 1:34:44.720 --> 1:34:50.919 to get down the field. So you split was, yeah, 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:53.400 they'll have races. I thought that Dupre was going to 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:54.759 get drafted because of his blocking. 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:56.200 Yeah, me too, And he's. 1:34:56.080 --> 1:35:01.840 A really good blocker. Efton Chisholm. I just it makes 1:35:01.840 --> 1:35:04.519 me feel whole again that we're doing eft and Chisholm, 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:09.519 because this is the Riley McCarron's of Austin cars. This 1:35:09.760 --> 1:35:13.080 is the Brax and Barrioses of Gunner O Chefsky's. Yeah, 1:35:13.320 --> 1:35:15.760 this is uh, give me another one. 1:35:16.200 --> 1:35:17.840 I mean, you're out of him unless you want to 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:18.759 go to Julian Edelman. 1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:21.920 No, I don't want to go to Julian Edelman, but. 1:35:23.439 --> 1:35:28.880 Austin Carr, Braxton Barrios, Riley McCarran, Gunner, Gunner, Well, I 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:31.519 don't think Gunner was more like Gunner was a converted corner. 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:36.639 Yeah, Gunner was a little different. But there's more back 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:39.120 in the day. Like I was mentioning Riley McCarron and 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:43.160 Austin Carr and Paul yesterday on PU laughed and said, 1:35:43.200 --> 1:35:47.479 I was thinking of different guys because there's so many guys. 1:35:47.840 --> 1:35:53.960 But anyways, uh, not true slot, not like the Truton 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:58.439 Chisholm is your classic quick, not fast Patriots slot receiver. 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:02.559 He ran a four to seven. He has got no juice, right, like, 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:05.519 no straight line juice down the field, and it's not 1:36:05.600 --> 1:36:07.800 a lot after the catch. I will give him this 1:36:07.840 --> 1:36:11.360 after the catch though. He is really good at making 1:36:11.360 --> 1:36:14.559 the first guy miss in a phone booth. Then he 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:17.320 gets caught from behind every single time. But like he'll 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:19.599 give you those extra like two or three yards by 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:20.920 just eluding that first hill. 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.800 Also like, and I mean this is at the FCS level, 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:26.160 but he'll drag guys like he doesn't just go down. Yeah, 1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:29.360 he's he wants the contacts there because he gets caught, 1:36:29.360 --> 1:36:32.080 but like he'll he'll make him work to bring him down. 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:35.320 Really where he shines those his route running and he's 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.680 a jitterbug like he's got he's an absolute jitterbug quickness. 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:41.720 He's got that ability to separate at the top of 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:45.719 the routes. If he's gonna there's gonna be a preseason game. 1:36:46.120 --> 1:36:48.320 I can tell you right now where they're gonna run 1:36:48.360 --> 1:36:50.160 hass and he's gonna be number three and he's gonna 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:52.240 run the juke and he's gonna win over the middle 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:54.479 on a linebacker and we're all gonna just be like 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:57.360 there he is there, it is right, Like it's gonna 1:36:57.400 --> 1:37:01.679 be like pop the corks right like that. That's chisholm uh. 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:05.280 He's he was fun. I liked watching watching him at 1:37:05.320 --> 1:37:08.680 Eastern Washington. I posted this on Twitter, like red on 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:11.640 red red jerseys on a red field, Like come on 1:37:11.720 --> 1:37:16.559 Eastern Washington, Like, no, that's the red field, okay, but 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:18.519 you can't wear red jerseys on a redkin. 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:21.639 Have you ever seen the thing with Boise State where 1:37:21.640 --> 1:37:25.400 the guy lies down on the on the kick that 1:37:25.439 --> 1:37:27.679 should be it's a whole field advantage. 1:37:27.720 --> 1:37:31.040 If this organization did that, I. 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:32.599 Don't want to see colored fields in the NFL. 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:35.360 This organization did that back in the day, there would 1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:38.400 be a Supreme Court hearing. 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.160 Of the pack the Jets can do it. There's not 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:43.680 smart enough to actually, I think a guy in the 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:45.599 NFL did do that. Lie down in an enzign. 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:48.320 I know he did. He did, Yeah, he did. So 1:37:48.360 --> 1:37:52.080 that's Efton Chishlm. Classic Josh McDaniel slot receiver, the red field. 1:37:52.360 --> 1:37:56.120 It's so classic Josh McDaniel slot that you just know 1:37:56.680 --> 1:37:59.280 that McDaniels was somewhere in this building when they do 1:37:59.360 --> 1:38:01.280 UDF a is or flying and he was like, can 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:02.559 you just give me Chisholm Like. 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:04.920 And you just just you said he started asking for 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:07.840 that for the UDFA. He's probably one f seven. They 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:08.920 probably to rip the phone away. 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:11.320 Yeah, he was probably like, I'm telling you, this Eastern 1:38:11.439 --> 1:38:13.640 Washington kid is exactly what I need. Just give me 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:14.080 this kid. 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:16.479 When does he release the first workout video with Edelman? 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:18.679 You know Edelman is going to start going and working 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:19.160 out with him. 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:21.640 I'm excited about him. I'm not gonna lie. He's going 1:38:21.680 --> 1:38:23.599 to be a training camp guy we all know that, 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:27.040 Land Larison. I can see it with him a little 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:30.320 bit too. Again, another guy that just fits that mold 1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:33.000 for the Patriots. Really good quickness, like he can really 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:36.360 elude and jump out of cuts. I wouldn't say he's 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:38.559 the fastest either in a straight line, like he's not 1:38:38.560 --> 1:38:41.920 going to run through defenses or take out pursued angles 1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:44.640 like Trevon Henderson, but he's going to be able to 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:46.960 jump cut out of tackles. He's gonna be able to 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:48.640 catch the ball a little bit out of the battlefield, 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:51.599 you said, Brandon Bolden. He told me I was lazy 1:38:51.640 --> 1:38:54.439 by comping him to Rex Burkhead. I'm gonna do it anyways, right, 1:38:54.479 --> 1:38:54.840 I think. 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:56.080 He gets bigger than I forgot. I looked at that. 1:38:57.560 --> 1:38:59.519 I said, Larius is like a big guy. 1:38:59.720 --> 1:39:02.640 Yeah, I didn't realize that. Yesterday on PU I I 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:04.680 screwed up and I called him Danny Woodhead. He's much 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:07.120 bigger than Danny wood He's like six foot two fifteen. Yeah, 1:39:07.200 --> 1:39:10.479 Rex Burkhead, Rex Perkin. Yeah, there's a there's comps of 1:39:10.960 --> 1:39:14.000 there's a comps. There's clips of him like running angle 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:16.000 routes and stuff like that. Out of the backfield and 1:39:16.040 --> 1:39:19.080 paying some separation on linebackers. He's he's Rex burt Head. 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:22.559 You mentioned Conley, Jack Conley from Boston College. You knew 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:24.360 they were going to get one BC guy in here. 1:39:24.880 --> 1:39:28.160 Jack Conley's the guy. What I like about Jack Conley 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:33.400 And I talked to to the guys at New England 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:38.320 Football Journal, you know, Kevin and yeah, Den, I was 1:39:38.439 --> 1:39:40.080 trying to I wasn't gonna be able to pronounce his 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:43.360 last name, sorry. John. John's a big offensive line guy, 1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:46.080 coaches offensive line, so he knows what he's talking about. 1:39:46.080 --> 1:39:47.760 And we were at PC's pro day and he was like, 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:50.599 I think Conley, you know, is a is an interesting 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:53.160 like seventh round UDF A flyer. He is on it. 1:39:53.439 --> 1:39:55.720 And the big reason why John told me that is 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:58.160 because of his versatility. Like if you if you're going 1:39:58.240 --> 1:40:00.400 to back up in the NFL, you better be able 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:02.600 to back up multiple spots, right, Like you have to 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:06.120 be a four position backup like Conley. Conley played every 1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:09.000 position at Boston College beside center. Yeah, he played in 1:40:09.040 --> 1:40:11.720 a college game at He also played a little bit 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.120 of muscle tight end, like jumbo tight end, you know, 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:17.719 tackle eligible type of stuff. As the sixth offensive lineman. 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:20.799 So this is a guy that projects as a backup, 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:24.200 that can back up multiple positions. I think he's got 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:26.920 good power, good play strength to him. You know, he's 1:40:26.960 --> 1:40:31.200 got a rock solid kind of anchor and thud into 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:33.560 contact and all that kind of stuff. He's got to 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:36.160 work on. He's a wastebender and he like leans over 1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:38.439 his skis and gets off balance. I have to work 1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:40.639 on that, but I think he can be a backup 1:40:41.000 --> 1:40:47.320 in the league. So to prea chisholm uh Lampy With Lampy, 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:50.800 it's more of a of an offense stylistic thing, right, 1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:53.080 Like that's all it is. If they're gonna go with 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.240 the full back, you know, that's the type of thing 1:40:55.240 --> 1:40:58.439 that they're going to Uh, they're gonna want, you know, 1:40:58.520 --> 1:41:00.960 in Lampy. You know I turned on his tape against 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:05.719 Notre Dame last year at Northern Iowa and they ran 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:09.080 lead iso right full back right through the the A 1:41:09.240 --> 1:41:12.280 gap or the B gap up on the linebacker you know, 1:41:12.400 --> 1:41:15.959 thwack right behind him, right. You know that play. Everybody 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:17.920 knows it. If you play pee wee football, it's like 1:41:17.960 --> 1:41:20.400 a day one install from like the fifth grade on 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:24.720 right is lead ISO. Then right after a couple of 1:41:24.720 --> 1:41:27.120 plays later they play actioned off of it and I 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:29.800 was like, I was pants off. I was like, hell yeah, 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:32.840 full back's back, baby. He did do a little bit 1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:35.280 of things on the wing like you do, some wing 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:38.080 blocking and some inline blocking as well. So there's some 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:41.000 of that versatility or like H back versatility to him 1:41:41.040 --> 1:41:44.000 as well. But if they want that traditional full back, 1:41:44.040 --> 1:41:46.400 that's just him. The one thing I would say about 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:49.080 him as a receiver, I thought his ball skills were decent. 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:51.000 Like he made a low catch against Notre Dame where 1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:53.880 he got yeah, where he went to the ground and 1:41:53.920 --> 1:41:55.840 made a catch. I thought that he Know he's not 1:41:55.880 --> 1:41:58.280 a dynamic receiver. It's not Kyle used check right, You're 1:41:58.320 --> 1:42:00.280 not going to get that level out of him. But 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:02.000 I do think he can catch the ball. You know, 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:04.400 if he elits into the flat and he's you know, 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:07.240 the fifth read on the backside, and there's just nobody 1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:09.439 covering him over here, like they'll he'll be able to 1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:13.240 be serviceable. He'll catch the ball, he'll get upfield, he'll 1:42:13.240 --> 1:42:14.000 get the yards he can get. 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:15.759 He's not a true h back, but he is somebody 1:42:15.760 --> 1:42:17.519 who can trust with ball in his hands in the 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:21.520 right situation. So I think it's that perfect mold between 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:23.720 what McDaniels wants, which is a guy that can just 1:42:23.760 --> 1:42:25.720 get into the A gap and meet a linebacker, but 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:28.600 not somebody like he's all somebody the defense is going 1:42:28.680 --> 1:42:29.360 to have to account for. 1:42:29.840 --> 1:42:32.200 Last one I wanted to bring up was Elijah Ponder 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:37.000 from cal Poly. I thought that Elijah Ponder had draftable talent, 1:42:37.520 --> 1:42:42.479 draftable trade, certainly a really good tester. Again, hammer in 1:42:42.520 --> 1:42:49.200 the testing here, nine point seven rass Orris really elite 1:42:49.640 --> 1:42:53.240 in all categories, you know, elite speed, elite explosiveness, elite agility. 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:55.760 This is a guy that ran a six point nine 1:42:55.800 --> 1:42:58.400 to nine second three cone at six two two fifty. 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:01.120 That's really good. Yeah, sub seven three cone at that 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:04.840 size is really impressive. Defensive end prospect handing the dirt 1:43:04.880 --> 1:43:08.719 four to three end, good power, good explosiveness off the line, 1:43:08.760 --> 1:43:12.600 can really gain ground early in his pass rush. I 1:43:12.640 --> 1:43:15.599 think that there obviously is going to be some level 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:19.439 of competition, question marks and jumping competition and technique stuff, 1:43:19.479 --> 1:43:22.400 But a guy that can really rush the passer and 1:43:22.479 --> 1:43:26.000 really has some speed to power and some athleticism to 1:43:26.080 --> 1:43:27.640 his game so I think he's got a chance just 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:31.280 on raw tools to potentially make the roster. So if 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:34.400 I had to guess, besides Lampy, like you said, that's 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:37.200 its own thing. Besides Lampy, if I had to guess, 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:39.120 I would say Dupree's probably got the best chance to 1:43:39.120 --> 1:43:40.479 make the team as a third tight end. 1:43:40.560 --> 1:43:43.760 Yeah, but Larison and Chisholm are right there too. I 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:47.360 think that's the big that's the and Conley that's like 1:43:47.400 --> 1:43:49.360 the group you're looking at, and then some other guys 1:43:49.400 --> 1:43:50.479 more just for depth. 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:52.080 If I had to put a guess on it, I 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:55.040 would say Dupre third tight end, blocking tight end behind 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:57.679 Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper. You can he beat out 1:43:57.760 --> 1:44:01.799 Jahem Bell as more of a tradition inline blocker, whereas 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:05.040 Jackeen Bell is kind of this you know flex h 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:06.000 back moved right. 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:08.360 But I guess it becomes tough. Are you gonna So 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:10.280 it comes down to me like, if they're going to 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:13.080 carry a move tight end and h back, you probably 1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:16.080 aren't going to keep Lampy. Yeah, So it's Dupre or 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:19.120 Lampy depending on if Bell fills the full back rolling right. 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:21.559 So it's kind of a trickle down effect of like 1:44:22.200 --> 1:44:25.479 Belle Lampy dupre those three guys. Do they want the 1:44:25.560 --> 1:44:29.040 traditional full back? Do they want an extra inline blocker? Yeah? 1:44:29.280 --> 1:44:33.080 Those would be the conversations that we're gonna have all 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:36.240 summer long, all summer long about this team in this 1:44:36.280 --> 1:44:40.160 fifty three man roster. Really exciting group all around. And 1:44:40.439 --> 1:44:42.920 we have one more special treat for you, so don't 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:45.800 sign off just yet. Dame Broker from the Athletic is 1:44:45.880 --> 1:44:50.760 up next. He's gonna break down. What's that? Oh? I 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:52.720 need to do the read. I need to do the 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:56.240 read first before we throw it to day. Support the 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:59.200 home team. Join New England's events staff here at led Stadium. 1:44:59.439 --> 1:45:03.160 Season open visions available in food, beverage, parking and security. 1:45:03.439 --> 1:45:08.559 Visit www dot thecraftgroup dot com, slash careers and apply today. 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:12.120 All right, guys, here's Dan Brugler. We are joined now 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:15.960 by Dame Bruger of the Athletic, the Beast himself. Dane, 1:45:15.960 --> 1:45:19.519 thanks so much for joining us, and you're we got 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:21.439 a lot of fans of you here right now because 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:24.439 you ranked the Patriots as the number one draft class 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:26.840 in the NFL, so we had to have you y'all 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:29.000 to talk about that, but thanks so much for doing this. 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:31.360 No, Hey, pleasures online. 1:45:31.400 --> 1:45:35.000 It was a fun draft season, fun three days. And yeah, 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:38.080 I'm really lated what the Patriots did. So excited to 1:45:38.080 --> 1:45:39.559 talk about that class with you. 1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:41.960 Yeah, let's start with that right off the top. So 1:45:42.000 --> 1:45:45.960 you published a ranking of all thirty two teams draft 1:45:45.960 --> 1:45:48.400 classes and you had those New England Patriots up there 1:45:48.439 --> 1:45:51.400 at number one. Why did you think the Patriots had 1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:52.639 the best draft in the NFL. 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:56.760 First of all, they just drafted a lot of the 1:45:56.760 --> 1:45:59.360 players that I had ranked in my top one hundred. 1:45:59.360 --> 1:46:02.720 I think six we're in my top one hundred. And 1:46:02.800 --> 1:46:06.920 I think they just matched up really well with the 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:09.080 needs and what's going to make this team better, you know, 1:46:09.120 --> 1:46:11.240 And like what I do, because I don't do draft grades, 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:12.639 I just do it one through thirty two. 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:14.520 Here are my favorite draft classes. 1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:17.400 And really it just comes down to who do I 1:46:17.439 --> 1:46:21.120 think made the biggest jump based off of what they. 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:21.960 Did on draft weekend? 1:46:22.080 --> 1:46:24.800 And I think you look at the Patriots. You get 1:46:24.800 --> 1:46:27.360 your love tackle with Will Campbell, you come back, you 1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:31.840 get a couple of playmakers in on Day two with 1:46:31.960 --> 1:46:35.559 Travon Henderson Kyle Williams, and then to get Jared Well 1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:38.760 trade back and then get Jared Wilson. I just tremendous 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:41.360 value in my opinion. Wilson, He's going to be a 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:43.639 starter in this league for a long time. I compared 1:46:43.640 --> 1:46:46.120 to him a Rodney Hudson, you know, a guy that 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:48.960 maybe won't make a Pro Bowl, but he's going to 1:46:49.000 --> 1:46:51.160 be a solid starter for a lot of years. And 1:46:51.560 --> 1:46:55.680 that's he's going to bring competition from day one. And 1:46:55.760 --> 1:46:58.320 so that's what if you're the Patriots, that's exactly what 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:01.559 you want. You want to an offensive line that is 1:47:02.080 --> 1:47:05.160 really get the five best out there based off of competition. 1:47:05.280 --> 1:47:07.400 And so I think they did a really nice job 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:10.920 first two three rounds and then into Day three just 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:14.760 adding really good football players and at positions where they're 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:17.720 going to directly impact this team in twenty twenty five. 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:19.760 And Dan kind of along those lines. And I don't 1:47:19.760 --> 1:47:21.800 know if you factor this into your grade, just how 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:25.080 teams maneuver the board and work the board. But five trades. 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:26.960 That was a big part of the talking point coming 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:29.840 out of the draft. It was I believe Elliott Wolf 1:47:30.040 --> 1:47:31.840 after the draft talked about they wanted to make sure 1:47:31.840 --> 1:47:34.240 they were picking in spots where the players lined up 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:37.280 for them. Did you factor that into your evaluation, if not, 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:39.960 just your thoughts on how they were able to manipulate 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:42.479 the board to get the class that they wanted to get. 1:47:43.680 --> 1:47:45.240 Yeah, and that's that's certainly part of it. 1:47:45.560 --> 1:47:47.960 Like I said, to trade back and get Wilson the 1:47:47.960 --> 1:47:53.400 way they did was awesome. It's it's always tough because 1:47:53.520 --> 1:47:54.640 if you like a player. 1:47:54.479 --> 1:47:55.360 Enough, just take them. 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:58.479 But at the same time, if they are teams calling 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:01.640 about possibly moving up, then you know, it's it's a 1:48:01.640 --> 1:48:04.040 conversation about, hey, well we can pick up an extra 1:48:04.080 --> 1:48:06.759 fourth or an extra fifth and move back ten twelve 1:48:06.800 --> 1:48:09.160 spots and we still feel like we'll get the same guy. 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:11.960 Now there's risk involved obviously that the player will still 1:48:12.000 --> 1:48:12.400 be there. 1:48:12.840 --> 1:48:14.719 But I think the Patriots and what. 1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:18.320 They did over the weekend was a good example of 1:48:18.560 --> 1:48:21.639 it working out to their advantage and letting the board 1:48:21.680 --> 1:48:25.640 fall to them, not forcing things, not being you know, 1:48:25.720 --> 1:48:28.320 like was it member last year in the second round 1:48:28.400 --> 1:48:31.720 when you know they traded back, you know, wait from 1:48:31.800 --> 1:48:34.759 lad McConkey, and they know all the you know, noise 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:38.080 about that decision. Well, that didn't carry over to this 1:48:38.160 --> 1:48:40.160 year where they were scared to move back if they 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:42.800 felt like that was the right move. And you know 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:46.720 that that's something to be said about just not manipulating 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:51.360 the board, but not drafting scared. You know, you are 1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:54.600 going to trust your grades, trust all the work that 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:57.080 your scouts did, and you know the rest of your 1:48:57.080 --> 1:49:01.160 front office, your coaches, and build the team with players 1:49:01.200 --> 1:49:03.360 that you had high on your board. And they were 1:49:03.439 --> 1:49:05.120 able to do that, and I think they were the 1:49:05.200 --> 1:49:08.200 value because the draft's all about value. The value they 1:49:08.240 --> 1:49:10.919 got at every level the draft was really impressive. 1:49:11.240 --> 1:49:14.000 So, Daniel, you listed out your favorite pick of the 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:16.040 draft for each team and then your favorite kind of 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:18.600 Day three sleeper pick, and your favorite pick of the 1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:21.000 draft for the Pats was Kyle Williams, who I think 1:49:21.000 --> 1:49:23.880 we're all pretty excited about here. Not the type of 1:49:23.960 --> 1:49:26.800 receiver that they've had here in a while, you know, 1:49:26.880 --> 1:49:30.240 speed separation ability. But what was it about Kyle Williams 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:32.120 that you thought he was the best pick of the 1:49:32.200 --> 1:49:33.520 draft for them? 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:38.280 Yeah, and just summed it up, speed separation. Just going 1:49:38.320 --> 1:49:41.599 back to the Senior Bowl and watching Kyle in person, 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:46.880 the releases off the line, his ability to separate early, 1:49:47.439 --> 1:49:48.599 mid and late was. 1:49:48.560 --> 1:49:49.400 Just really impressive. 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:53.760 And I go back to North Carolina when Drake May 1:49:54.040 --> 1:49:56.960 not the twenty twenty three season, but the twenty twenty 1:49:57.040 --> 1:50:01.000 two season, his top target was Josh Downs, and Downs 1:50:01.080 --> 1:50:03.000 was kind of a similar guy where he just got 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:05.960 open consistently, a little bit of a smaller target, just 1:50:06.000 --> 1:50:08.559 like Kyle Williams, but Downs was able to get open 1:50:08.960 --> 1:50:13.120 and May trusted that implicitly, and that was a big 1:50:13.160 --> 1:50:16.160 part of that North Carolina offense he was missing that 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:18.800 last year. And that's what I think Kyle Williams can 1:50:18.880 --> 1:50:21.800 be for Drake May, helping him take that next step 1:50:21.800 --> 1:50:25.719 in his development, be a high volume pass catcher, receive 1:50:25.760 --> 1:50:28.000 a lot of targets, even as early as his rookie season. 1:50:28.360 --> 1:50:31.000 So you know, Kyle Williams was an interesting player throughout 1:50:31.000 --> 1:50:33.280 the process because he blew He had a great senior year, 1:50:33.320 --> 1:50:36.000 blew up the Senior Bowl, and then had a really 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:38.360 good forty time four to four to zero at the combine, 1:50:38.400 --> 1:50:41.200 but then he got hurt the hamstring, so cut the 1:50:41.200 --> 1:50:44.640 combine short, couldn't work out of the Pro Day. But 1:50:44.920 --> 1:50:47.120 you know, he was a really popular guy with thirty 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:49.639 visits and workouts as teams tried to figure him out, 1:50:49.880 --> 1:50:51.560 and so for the Patriots to get him in the 1:50:51.640 --> 1:50:53.479 third really liked the value there. 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:55.760 Just along those lines, why do you think, you know, 1:50:55.960 --> 1:50:58.640 you're so dug in this from the beginning, and a 1:50:58.680 --> 1:51:01.240 lot of people they start looking maybe around the Senior 1:51:01.240 --> 1:51:03.880 Bowl and I remember looking at and the consensusport is 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:05.760 what it is. It's a tool, it's not everything. But 1:51:06.120 --> 1:51:08.400 he was like eight hundredth on the consensus sport going 1:51:08.400 --> 1:51:10.640 into the Senior Bowl, and even coming out of that, 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:13.040 you know, was not getting that same kind of attention. 1:51:13.080 --> 1:51:15.360 It wasn't until two three weeks ago that people really 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:17.640 start talking about this guy. Is it just you know, 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:20.880 Pack two conference playing out on the West coast late 1:51:21.000 --> 1:51:23.000 games or why do you think this guy didn't have 1:51:23.040 --> 1:51:26.080 as much external buzz during the process as he clearly 1:51:26.120 --> 1:51:27.720 did with teams going as high as he went. 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:31.759 I think that's a big part of it, just people 1:51:31.800 --> 1:51:35.160 not paying attention to Washington State football because of you know, 1:51:35.200 --> 1:51:38.680 just the conference realignment in Washington State Oregon State kind 1:51:38.680 --> 1:51:41.680 of being left out in the cold. But yeah, I 1:51:41.720 --> 1:51:45.439 mean Williams he started at UNLV three years there, transferred 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:48.280 to Washington State, had an okay year in twenty twenty three, 1:51:48.479 --> 1:51:52.040 but wasn't really looked at as a draftable player. So 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:55.120 going back to the summer watching him, it was like, Okay, 1:51:55.280 --> 1:51:57.760 solid player, but looks like a camp body. You know, 1:51:57.760 --> 1:51:59.880 it looks like he has some speed, but you know, 1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:03.400 production is just okay. And then this year as a senior, 1:52:03.520 --> 1:52:06.000 it's like, really things started to click for him, and 1:52:06.280 --> 1:52:08.800 so it was a little bit of a see. I mean, 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:11.160 I liked him going into the Senior Bowl, but the 1:52:11.200 --> 1:52:12.960 Senior Bowl is really where it was like, Okay, this 1:52:13.000 --> 1:52:15.800 guy's a little bit different. Jalen Nole to me, was 1:52:15.840 --> 1:52:18.040 the best receiver I saw on mobile. Kyle Williams was 1:52:18.080 --> 1:52:20.320 a close second. Those two. Both of them were really 1:52:20.360 --> 1:52:23.599 dynamic the entire week and then you know, just kind 1:52:23.600 --> 1:52:25.439 of getting better and better throughout the process. But it 1:52:25.479 --> 1:52:27.800 was kind of out of sight, out of mind, not 1:52:27.840 --> 1:52:30.240 seeing him during the season for most fans. And then, 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:32.320 like I said, he got hurt at the combine, so 1:52:32.560 --> 1:52:34.559 we didn't see him go through a lot of those drills, 1:52:34.600 --> 1:52:36.960 position drills, testing drills, and then he didn't have a 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:38.840 Pro Day, so you know, he was kind of a 1:52:38.840 --> 1:52:41.519 little bit out of sight, out of mind, but yeah, 1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:43.760 he was a team and then for teams too. 1:52:43.840 --> 1:52:44.360 Like it was. 1:52:44.720 --> 1:52:46.680 It was not like love at first sight. It was 1:52:46.720 --> 1:52:49.080 something that you know, kind of grew on teams as 1:52:49.120 --> 1:52:50.280 the process played out. 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:53.200 So your your favorite to move down the board here 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:56.240 a little bit. Your favorite Day three pick was Brandon 1:52:56.280 --> 1:52:58.960 Swinson from LSU, and I think all of us were 1:52:59.400 --> 1:53:02.040 collectively pretty surprised that he made it all the way 1:53:02.400 --> 1:53:05.320 to the fifth round. So to part question here, why 1:53:05.360 --> 1:53:08.720 did you like Swinson? And why do you think he 1:53:08.880 --> 1:53:10.200 fell a little bit in the draft? 1:53:11.520 --> 1:53:11.720 Yeah? 1:53:11.760 --> 1:53:14.479 And really, I mean there were a couple Joshua Farmer 1:53:14.479 --> 1:53:17.720 in the fourth I thought was you know, terrific value. 1:53:17.840 --> 1:53:20.160 I think Craig Woodson will hear from as a rookie. 1:53:20.320 --> 1:53:24.000 So a couple of Day three picks should play a 1:53:24.040 --> 1:53:26.720 factor in the twenty twenty five season for the Patriots. 1:53:27.000 --> 1:53:29.639 You know, Swinston was tough because you know, he had 1:53:29.840 --> 1:53:32.040 he had plenty of love. I think in the media side, 1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:36.040 teams weren't quite as high on Swinson compared to some 1:53:36.080 --> 1:53:38.320 of the media, and I'm part of it. You know, 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:41.000 he was a good player at LSU, but you know, 1:53:41.160 --> 1:53:42.560 was he going to be a full time player in 1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:44.559 the NFL? Is he more of a sub package guy, 1:53:45.360 --> 1:53:47.040 you know, six three and a half two hundred and 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:51.040 fifty five pounds. What hurt him a little bit was 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:55.559 choosing not to work out at the Pro Day. He'd 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:59.200 even weigh in, and so I've heard from several teams 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:02.640 that were just like not happy just that because he 1:54:02.640 --> 1:54:04.400 didn't he did I think the short shuttle in the 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:06.280 three cone at the combine. Then it goes to the 1:54:06.320 --> 1:54:09.479 Pro day and ops to just do nothing, and that 1:54:09.640 --> 1:54:11.760 rubbed some scouts the wrong way. Now, is that the 1:54:11.840 --> 1:54:14.120 reason he fell? I you know, I don't, I don't, 1:54:14.160 --> 1:54:16.400 I don't know. I think he was viewed as more 1:54:16.400 --> 1:54:19.720 of a fourth round guy for teams, so you know, 1:54:19.840 --> 1:54:21.720 to get him in the fifth, you know, I thought 1:54:21.720 --> 1:54:24.320 it was trific value there. But it's just I go 1:54:24.439 --> 1:54:27.880 back to what this team needed and you look at 1:54:28.000 --> 1:54:30.800 just adding some more pass rush jees. So even if 1:54:30.880 --> 1:54:34.080 you know Swinston's not a full time player, He's going 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:35.960 to come in and be part of the rotation and 1:54:36.160 --> 1:54:40.240 give you some of that quickness off the edge. He's 1:54:40.280 --> 1:54:43.200 not just a super physical player in the run game, 1:54:43.280 --> 1:54:45.960 but he gives effort, so you know, he he is 1:54:46.000 --> 1:54:48.840 a player that you know has to mature both, you know, 1:54:49.000 --> 1:54:51.680 on the field. Off the field, he his past year, 1:54:51.760 --> 1:54:55.280 he butted heads with coaches a few times. You know, 1:54:55.320 --> 1:54:57.480 he was suspended for the first quarter of the Florida 1:54:57.520 --> 1:55:01.680 game for you know, just not eating the with the 1:55:01.720 --> 1:55:04.400 team expected of him. So there's growing up to do 1:55:04.640 --> 1:55:07.760 with this player. But talent is there for him to 1:55:07.960 --> 1:55:10.400 come in and make an impact getting after the quarterback. 1:55:11.320 --> 1:55:13.240 Late in the draft, the Patriots make the two special 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:17.879 teams editions kicker Andres Borgalis and then Ashby the long snapper. 1:55:18.600 --> 1:55:22.320 Anytime the Patriots take a special teamer, especially after the 1:55:22.360 --> 1:55:24.600 way went Chad Rownd a couple of years ago, it's like, well, 1:55:24.640 --> 1:55:26.800 did they need to invest draft capital here? What are 1:55:26.840 --> 1:55:29.000 your thoughts on those two guys in Are they players 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:31.440 that you think if the Patriots wanted they had to 1:55:31.520 --> 1:55:32.320 take them where they did? 1:55:34.720 --> 1:55:34.960 Well? 1:55:35.000 --> 1:55:37.160 You know, I think when you were talking, especially with 1:55:37.200 --> 1:55:39.760 Ashby in the seventh round, it's okay, do we really 1:55:39.760 --> 1:55:41.800 want to get into a bidding war to make sure 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:43.480 we get him a free agency or you know, a 1:55:43.520 --> 1:55:45.680 team like the Patriots that had so many picks, we 1:55:45.680 --> 1:55:47.440 can just use a seventh rounder on him. 1:55:47.600 --> 1:55:49.000 And you know, Ashby is one. 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:54.520 Of what five guys long snappers that you know were 1:55:54.640 --> 1:55:58.120 part of that combine that they had with the specialists. 1:55:58.680 --> 1:56:03.040 A little undersize and thirty one pounds, but I think 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:05.840 that you know, you're thinking about adding weight and you 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:09.240 look at the athlete and just the consistency that he 1:56:09.320 --> 1:56:12.560 brought that those were kind of the athleticism, consistency, those 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:14.640 are two words that came up when you know, just 1:56:14.680 --> 1:56:17.440 talking about Ashby. And then you know with the kicker, 1:56:17.920 --> 1:56:20.600 you know, bory Gollis was my rate, my top ranked 1:56:20.640 --> 1:56:23.840 kicker this year. Thought he could go anywhere between the 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:25.080 fifth and seventh rounds. 1:56:25.360 --> 1:56:27.080 So where the Patriots got him? 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:30.760 You know, it's always you know, some some teams look 1:56:30.760 --> 1:56:32.800 at it and say, we'll never draft a kicker. Other 1:56:32.800 --> 1:56:34.760 teams look at it and say, you know, if we 1:56:34.920 --> 1:56:35.680 like the player. 1:56:35.520 --> 1:56:37.280 Enough, we'll go that route. 1:56:37.320 --> 1:56:39.880 And I think with bor Gollis, he did enough during 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:42.560 his college career, he did enough during the pro day 1:56:42.640 --> 1:56:46.720 during the workouts that said, hey, I'm a starter at 1:56:46.720 --> 1:56:49.560 the next level. And so you know, I I'm not 1:56:49.600 --> 1:56:51.440 going to push back and say like they made the 1:56:51.480 --> 1:56:53.920 wrong move or anything. Time will play out, but I 1:56:53.960 --> 1:56:56.520 certainly understand why they went that direction, all. 1:56:56.520 --> 1:56:59.440 Right, Dan, last one for you. The Patriots have got 1:56:59.440 --> 1:57:02.360 a pretty good history of undrafted rookies making the roster 1:57:02.480 --> 1:57:05.800 making an impact. What are some of the guys that 1:57:05.840 --> 1:57:08.240 stood out to you out of their class there? 1:57:08.560 --> 1:57:08.720 You know? 1:57:08.840 --> 1:57:12.680 CJ. Duprieze one guy that I had actually watched before 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:15.680 the draft and thought maybe he'd get drafted at tight end. 1:57:15.680 --> 1:57:17.840 But is there anyone out of that group that you like? 1:57:19.640 --> 1:57:24.480 Yeah, I mean, Chisholm was my top ranked non combine 1:57:24.520 --> 1:57:25.520 receiver this year. 1:57:26.160 --> 1:57:26.840 Him running in. 1:57:26.840 --> 1:57:29.320 The four sevens at the Pro Day really kind of 1:57:30.160 --> 1:57:33.920 probably eliminated any chances of getting drafted. But he's not 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:36.800 a long speed guy. He is a short area quickness 1:57:36.840 --> 1:57:40.800 type of player. He I mean, the production he put 1:57:40.840 --> 1:57:44.280 up at Eastern Washington was outstanding, and then he goes 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:48.320 to the East West Shrine game and was fantastic. That 1:57:48.440 --> 1:57:51.400 short area quickness out of the slot helps him get open, 1:57:51.880 --> 1:57:54.520 give his quarterback a target. And so I'm eager to 1:57:54.520 --> 1:57:57.360 see what he can do in training camp and see 1:57:57.360 --> 1:58:00.640 if he can possibly earn a role with you on CG. 1:58:00.800 --> 1:58:02.960 Dupree He to me he was. 1:58:02.960 --> 1:58:06.000 The better of the two Alabama tight ends oots actually 1:58:06.000 --> 1:58:08.200 got drafted by the Seahawks in the fifth round. I 1:58:08.200 --> 1:58:11.760 believe Dupre I thought was the better of the two. 1:58:11.840 --> 1:58:13.080 He's the better pass catcher. 1:58:13.800 --> 1:58:13.960 You know. 1:58:14.000 --> 1:58:17.400 He's a really well built kid, six y five, two 1:58:17.440 --> 1:58:18.640 hundred and fifty six pounds. 1:58:18.960 --> 1:58:19.920 He was one of the best. 1:58:20.600 --> 1:58:23.080 His dad's really big into weightlifting, and so so was 1:58:23.160 --> 1:58:25.400 he and so he I think it was like thirty 1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:28.600 two reps on the bench that really stood out. He 1:58:28.680 --> 1:58:32.840 wasn't a high volume target in that Alabama offense. He 1:58:32.880 --> 1:58:36.000 only had twenty one catches this past year, but I 1:58:36.040 --> 1:58:39.120 think you have a good size, speed athlete. When he 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:41.600 was targeted, he caught the ball, and I think he 1:58:41.680 --> 1:58:43.720 was good enough as a blocker that you thought, all right, 1:58:43.760 --> 1:58:48.080 if I want a true wide tight end, prototypical hand 1:58:48.080 --> 1:58:52.000 in the ground, inline guy, this guy could potentially be that. 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:54.760 So a little surprised he didn't get drafted, because I 1:58:54.840 --> 1:58:58.080 think he has the what a lot of teams are 1:58:58.080 --> 1:59:00.440 looking for as a blocker and receiver to earn a 1:59:00.520 --> 1:59:01.160 roster spot. 1:59:01.400 --> 1:59:04.120 Yeah. Absolutely, I was surprised too. So that's why we 1:59:04.160 --> 1:59:06.839 had you on Dan, because we went a whole interview 1:59:06.840 --> 1:59:09.360 did not mention Will Campbell's name once because we wanted 1:59:09.400 --> 1:59:12.360 to talk to you about the deep the deep cuts, 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:14.560 as we do on this show. You had all two 1:59:14.680 --> 1:59:17.440 hundred and fifty six guys in the Beast again this year, 1:59:17.520 --> 1:59:21.440 right fifty seven, Yeah, to fifty seven. I short turned 1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:23.600 to you one guy there, but it must. 1:59:23.440 --> 1:59:26.320 Have gotten It was close there that final pick by 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:28.600 the Patriots. I was, you know, you never know, it 1:59:28.600 --> 1:59:31.400 could be someone that I overlooked, but it was my 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:35.080 one hundred and twenty seventh corner with Kobe Minors, so 1:59:35.680 --> 1:59:39.120 it wasn't someone that I had ranked highly. But you know, 1:59:39.200 --> 1:59:41.120 I hope he ends up making the roster and has 1:59:41.120 --> 1:59:41.839 a good career. 1:59:41.880 --> 1:59:43.560 But I'm just happy you was in the Beast. 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:43.960 Yeah. 1:59:44.000 --> 1:59:46.880 Absolutely, So you can read Dan at the Athletic of course, 1:59:46.960 --> 1:59:50.120 and the Beast. The Athletic subscription is worth it just 1:59:50.200 --> 1:59:53.600 for the Beast alone every single year, So make sure 1:59:53.640 --> 1:59:56.040 to give Dan a follow and give him a subscription 1:59:56.120 --> 1:59:58.400 as well. That's going to do it for today's episode 1:59:58.440 --> 2:00:01.280 of Patriots Catch twenty two, and I will be back 2:00:01.320 --> 2:00:03.960 next week. Very special thank you to our very special 2:00:03.960 --> 2:00:06.520 guest Dame Brugler, and we'll see you guys next week. 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:07.120 Thanks for watching. 2:00:10.200 --> 2:00:12.520 Hey, this is Fred thanks for tuning into the show. 2:00:12.680 --> 2:00:15.200 If you really want to help us, make sure that 2:00:15.280 --> 2:00:18.320 you like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple 2:00:18.400 --> 2:00:22.360 Podcasts or Spotify, and also make sure you follow us 2:00:22.400 --> 2:00:25.280 on the New England Patriots YouTube page to see this 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:28.440 show and everything else that we do here What the Patriots. 2:00:28.720 --> 2:01:02.320 Thanks a lot,