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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hell everybody nailed it, joined us always by our Bara.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars I.

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Speaker 1: I know Ben Jonson's a nerd and they don't like

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Speaker 1: But you will disown that guy so fast from the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you take a running this is what you

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Speaker 2: you you if you want until they you dumb nerd

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Speaker 2: stuff and then you just own them and you.

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Speaker 1: Say, because it's not like a nerd, but all do,

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Speaker 1: but this isn't.

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Speaker 2: That's not nerd. Of they didn't do it, neither team

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Speaker 2: they Yeah, you're right, Jaguars not exactly full nerd. Trading

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Speaker 2: that's a RAMS thing. A lot of value in the

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter not a running back last time I checked.

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Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin not a running back last time they're.

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Speaker 1: Coting to play Travis Hunter both ways full time is

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Speaker 1: a pretty big nerd thing because you're not accounting the

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Speaker 1: human element of stamina. You're just looking at what the

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Speaker 1: data tells you he can do.

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Speaker 2: Because Travis Hunter has had no success at a high

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Speaker 2: level of football, doing.

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Speaker 1: Is the NFL is a little different than the Big twelve.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Travis Hunter, Jaguars Catch, excited to do it. This

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Speaker 2: is not Jaguars Catch. So hello everybody. On that note, Hi, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth with you for the next couple

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Speaker 2: hours here a very special exciting show today, post draft show,

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Speaker 2: big show for us, and I just want to lay

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Speaker 2: out the agenda here today. Alex and I are going

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Speaker 2: to do our normal show for the first like hour

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Speaker 2: forty hour, forty five minutes here today, and then at

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Speaker 2: the end of the show you're going to want to

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Speaker 2: stay all the way to the end because yesterday we

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Speaker 2: were able to sit down with Dan Brugler from The

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Speaker 2: Athletic the Beast himself and discuss the Patriots draft class

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Speaker 2: and why Dane ranked the Patriots as the best draft

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Speaker 2: in the entire NFL. So we're jam packed today, so

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Speaker 2: that means calls and emails I'm not sure we're going

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Speaker 2: to get to those today because we want to go

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Speaker 2: pick by pick through all eleven picks, and then obviously

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Speaker 2: we got a lot to get to. On that note,

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Speaker 2: I do want to start with just our big picture

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Speaker 2: thoughts on the draft, and I would just start by saying,

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Speaker 2: we're all very excited about what the Patriots have done

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Speaker 2: this offseason. We're all very optimistic about this ero with

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel and Elliott Wolf and Ryan Cowden and Stretch

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Speaker 2: and the whole gang and draft they put together was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not that's not Sunshine dot com Like, I

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Speaker 2: really thought it was a great draft. Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 2: it was a great draft that they had. That said,

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Speaker 2: I do want to keep expectations a little bit in check.

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Speaker 2: I hear a lot of playoffs conversations right now about

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Speaker 2: like in training camp in the preseason before we start

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Speaker 2: to go until that's, you know, back to back four

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Speaker 2: The most encouraging thing I thought from a big picture

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Speaker 2: and the feel for the board married with UH getting

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Speaker 2: To use Elliott what Wells word organized, Like, they felt

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Speaker 2: But what were your big picture thoughts on the draft?

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Speaker 1: The table a program player. Yeah, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: About you spend because we've got a lot of players

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Speaker 2: We've spent five months talking about Will Campbell. All right,

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Speaker 2: next pick here, Travon Henderson from Ohio State, running back,

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Speaker 2: thirty eighth overall. A couple of things that stand out

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Speaker 2: First of all, you mentioned it off the top home

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's overly elusive necessarily, but what he

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Speaker 2: And again this is all, this is not all. The

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Speaker 1: not quite the receiver Henderson is, but he's not somebody

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Speaker 2: So It's interesting because I agree with you, and I've

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Speaker 2: But he's not necessarily a gun run back. Gun run

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Speaker 1: He's the type of guy we're going to go under center.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, speaking to speed, this

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00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 2: is a good pace. We're not we're not getting bogged

433
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: down too much yet we will.

434
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: We're twenty minutes in two picks. Okay, we're doing ten

435
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: minutes a pick.

436
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad Like normally this would be like us

437
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: deliberating a pick for like twenty and.

438
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: It'll also get a little shorter as we go. But

439
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: I do want to get to the udfas. Don't want

440
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: to make sure we have time.

441
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: For me too. All Right, the next pick, I'm gonna

442
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: do a golf clap. I want you to take a

443
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: victory lap. I want you to go ahead. I'm going

444
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: to clear the decks for you right now. Kyle Williams

445
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: six ninth. Overall, nice, nice to the Patriots from Washington State,

446
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: and I'm doing the golf clap. Yeah for Alex here

447
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: because you told me about Kyle Williams before the Senior Bowl.

448
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: This was your guy. You were on it, and he

449
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: just quickly crept up the board or not so quickly, honestly.

450
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: It was just kind of all of a sudden, like

451
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: two weeks ago.

452
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, like steadily is a better word. Yeah, crept up

453
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: the board. Great Senior Bowl week that I slept on.

454
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: Feel bad about that.

455
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you next year, just remember this. The last

456
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: guy up in the reps. Yeah you don't, because you're

457
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: like onto the next thing, right, Yeah, the last guy

458
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: up in there, because I'm guilty of this a training camp.

459
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: The last guy up in the reps. You gotta pay

460
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: attention to. So because he just lapped.

461
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: Up like every sneaky sneaky good Senior Bowl when ESPN

462
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: was going commercial and everybody comes out of the Senior

463
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: Bowl week asking of Jalen Nole for rightfully, so he

464
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: had a great week. He's a good player. I still

465
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: like Jalen Nole a lot, and nobody you know, he

466
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: was kind of still gotten a little bit. There he

467
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: goes to the combine, he puts down the four to four.

468
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Then people started to rewatch the film maybe or even

469
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: just get to the film in general. Like me that

470
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: was late to it. I will give it kills me.

471
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: It pains me to do this, like one percent of

472
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: the credit to Chris Simms, because Chris Simms came out

473
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: and ran ranked him as like the second best receiver

474
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 2: in the class, and everybody said, whoa, Kyle Williams second

475
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: best receiver in the class? What am I missing here?

476
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: But nobody, nobody was earlier to Kyle Williams than this man.

477
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: The Washington State coaching staff was we got to get

478
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: that credit. But from a draft point of view, yeah,

479
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: I And again we'll have that interview with Dane later

480
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: and I actually kind of asked him about why maybe

481
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: that was. And there's a couple different reasons, but the

482
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: big thing for me to get to Kyle Williams's pick.

483
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: I won't go back and read through the text I

484
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: sent you on.

485
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: January enough stroking your ego twenty fifth.

486
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: When I said, why is this guy eight hundred on

487
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: the consensus board? What am I missing? Eight hundred on

488
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: the cons his sport. But the big thing for me,

489
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: so I think part of the reason he went later

490
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: he's a late breakout player He's at UNLV for three years,

491
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: transferred to Washington State in twenty twenty three. He had

492
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: a solid year, he had eight hundred yards, like he

493
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: wasn't bad, but last year goes off top ten in

494
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: the nation and receiving all of that. And I actually,

495
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: and I wrote about this on ninety eight five the

496
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: sports sub dot com if people want to check it out.

497
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: I actually I asked him after the pick, like, what

498
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: changed for you? Right? Did he focus on something or

499
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: emphasize something in his game to allow that breakout season happen?

500
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: And he mentioned after the catch specifically, he said he

501
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: wants to extend plays. He specifically said being able to

502
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: turn a five yard hitch into a sixty yard touchdown,

503
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: a three yard screen into a sixty yard touchdown, which he.

504
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: Literally did at Washington State. Right, one was against Syracuse.

505
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: In the other one, I'm blanking on the team he

506
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: was playing against, but he.

507
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 1: Literally Syracuse one was a slat. But I know you're

508
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Yeah, So he went from averaging

509
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: five point five yards per carry in or five point

510
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: five yards after the catch for his career. That number

511
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: jumped to eight point four in twenty twenty four. The

512
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: Patriots meanwhile ranked twenty fifth as a whole in yards

513
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: after the catch in the NFL last year the wide

514
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: receivers alone, so as a team they averaged five flat

515
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: after the catch. The wide receivers alone averaged four, So

516
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams last year Washington State was more than double that.

517
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: That's why I love this pick. He's going to be

518
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: able to play all three spots X Z slot he

519
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: gets open, he has separation metrics improved a lot last

520
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: year as well, and then because he gets so open,

521
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: he can run after the catch. Now it's one year

522
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: of production, so he's a little less proven and I

523
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: don't think the drop issues are as big as some

524
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: people are making them. But he's not exactly the most

525
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: short handed guy, so that's why he fell. But if

526
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: they can get that figured out, and by the way,

527
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: I think him working with Stefan Diggs is going to

528
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: be amazing because there are some similarities there. Certainly, at

529
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: least to me. I think he's a guy that can

530
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: be maybe a low end number one, certainly a high

531
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: end number two. I you know, doesn't quite have the

532
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: size to be that true like number one X guy,

533
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: but just his ability to create after the catch, which

534
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: he clearly worked on a lot last year. They desperately

535
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: needed that. I don't know the last time. The reason, Like,

536
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous to say I like, I feel like

537
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: they're in a position to maximize Kyle Williams. Yeah, and

538
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm nervous to say that because we've seen how it's

539
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: gone for wide receivers the last few years. But I

540
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: don't know the last time they had a wide receiver

541
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: with this makeup. Like, he's not the big slot, He's

542
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: not Jalen Polk, he's not a contested catch X. He's

543
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: not Jaevon Baker, Nikhil Harry. He probably profiles closest to Pop,

544
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: But Pop's not going to be outside playing the X.

545
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: Pop's not running you know, some of the deeper rats

546
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: that he's running. So this is the kind of wide

547
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: receiver we've wanted them to invest in for a long

548
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: time that they just haven't.

549
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a great fit for Josh McDaniels, who

550
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: I agree that. You know, one of the things with

551
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: the draft is there's always these coin flip decisions, right,

552
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: Like they pick Kyle Williams. I had Jalen Nole in

553
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: full disclosure, I as with a higher grade than with

554
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, you know, higher up my rankings, I should say,

555
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: uh than Kyle Williams. So the honest question for people

556
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: that followed us pre draft and you know, looked at

557
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: my spreadsheet and my rankings and stuff, is well, why

558
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: all of a sudden are you now you know, big

559
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams guy right, like you know what, shouldn't you

560
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: be saying that they should have drafted Jalen Nole? But

561
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: I think one of the coin flips and one of

562
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: the decisions here is about why did they draft the

563
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: player in Kyle Williams over Nol? And I think the

564
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: biggest reason is something that you hit on, is that

565
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams has a little bit more ability to project

566
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: as an outside receiver.

567
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

568
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit more there in terms

569
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: of him playing on the outside, whether it's as a

570
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: true X or whatever you want to call it. Then

571
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: with Noel Noll, I think profiled for pretty much ever

572
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: everybody as a true speed slot like he was an

573
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: inside receiver. That was what he was going to be

574
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Level. With Kyle Williams, there's a lot

575
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: of really encouraging release work as an outside receiver. That

576
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: gives you hope that he maybe can play closer to

577
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: like a fifty to fifty split ideally, especially in this offense,

578
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: he is a chess piece that Josh McDaniels is moving

579
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: all around the formation to get him free release off

580
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. Whether it's in motion, it's a stack,

581
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: it's a bunch, it's a slot rep, you know, whatever

582
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: the case may be, just hunting re releases all over

583
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: the field because when he gets those free releases, like

584
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: the play against Syracuse. Yeah, the Patriots have historically called

585
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: that too lane. It's they have that concept in their

586
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: offense where the receiver on the line of scrimmage kind

587
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: of runs a vertical, but he's really running a pick

588
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: like he's kind of running a rub right, and that's

589
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: going to create that pocket of space underneath the defense.

590
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: And Kyle Williams actually has an option on that route.

591
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: He can break in, or he can break out, or

592
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: he can settle against zone coverage, and he's just going

593
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: to rede leverage of the defender. So when the defender

594
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: sets up outside of him and he just breaks into

595
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: the middle of the field and then he's then he's

596
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: on the runway right, he's just shot out of a

597
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: cannon and houses it against against Syracuse in the Bowl

598
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: game last year. Those types of routes are typically run

599
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: by the Z receiver in this offense. But that's allus like,

600
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of not here North there. It doesn't really matter.

601
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: The point is is that you can see Kyle Williams

602
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: doing things that easily translate right into Josh mcdaniels's scheme,

603
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: whereas I don't know if you could necessarily do that

604
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: with their past picks at receiver. What was Nikhil Harry's

605
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: fit in Josh mcdaniels's.

606
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: Office, It never made sense, right.

607
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: What was Taekwon Thornton's fit? A sacrificial But he drafted

608
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: a sacrificial X with the fiftieth.

609
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: And he kept part of that too, is his injuries

610
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: kept getting hurt.

611
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: Right, But it just didn't feel like he wasn't a technician.

612
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: He he was in a great yards after catch guy.

613
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: He wasn't a quick hitter guy. He wasn't an early separator.

614
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: He wasn't a quick separator off the line of scrimmage.

615
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: They drafted a vertical X receiver to play in an

616
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: offense that doesn't feature vertical X receivers. With Jalen Polk,

617
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: I think there was a little bit more translation of

618
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: what they used to do in the past, but probably

619
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: not as much translation in an Alex Van Pelt offense,

620
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: which is what they were drafting for at the time.

621
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: So it just seems like this player has a great

622
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: marriage between what he does well, what McDaniels wants to feature,

623
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: and what the team needed, and all three of those

624
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: things kind of came together with Kyle Williams in a

625
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: really nice way. So the rep that I keep going

626
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: back to other than the Syracuse one just because it's

627
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: a concept that I've seen the Patriots run a million

628
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: times is twenty twenty three when he runs right by

629
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. Like that ability on the outside to just

630
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: stack and separate on a go route outside the numbers

631
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: on the best cornerback in the name like that, you

632
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: hope is going to translate a little bit more then

633
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: let's say, like a Jail and Nole would have done.

634
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: Whereas you know, Nole is probably a little bit more

635
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: polished as a route runner right now in terms of

636
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: the technique and the top of the route and all

637
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So I wanted to try to

638
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: do comps for most of these guys. I think it

639
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: helps people understand. I think the archetype the ceiling of

640
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: this mold is Garrett Wilson. And I don't know if

641
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: he's Garrett Wilson, like I've heard that comp with him.

642
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson was I believe the eleventh or twelfth overall

643
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: pick in his draft, absolute stud offensive, Rookie of the Year,

644
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: perennial Pro bowler. That is a very high bar for

645
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: the sixty ninth overall pick in the draft. I don't

646
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: know if Kyle Williams is going to get to Garrett

647
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: wilson territory.

648
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: Williams also had much more runways just you know, yeah,

649
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: he broke out younger.

650
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: So I would say the guy that I've gravitated towards,

651
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: and just because from a measurable standpoint and a play

652
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: style standpoint, is you shot Bateman in Baltimore, And I know,

653
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: Rashat Bateman sounds like a bust when you say the

654
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: name ra Shod Bateman. He had a really nice year

655
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: last year for Baltimore when he was finally healthy. He's

656
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: battled injuries in Baltimore. There's no doubt about that. But

657
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about turning on the film and watching

658
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: the player, like not necessarily slistically, right, taking on all

659
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: the injury baggage and stuff like that. If you watch

660
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: Rashat Bateman last year with the Baltimore Ravens, he was

661
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: like a top twenty, top twenty five receiver in the league.

662
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: Let's not forget not only was has he been heard

663
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: They don't throw the ball a ton in Baltimore, right,

664
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: so you have to adjust a lot of their numbers

665
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: for the fact that they are a run heavy offense.

666
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: So I like Rashaw Baby maybe a little bit more

667
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: than other people, but I think that Kyle Williams is

668
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: a similar kind of player. Really, just a lot to

669
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: like about the pick in terms of the schematic fit

670
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: and all those different things. The last thing I wanted

671
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: to say about Kyle Williams, where do we see this going?

672
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Because right now I think they have like eleven or

673
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: twelve depending on the UDFA signings wide receivers on the roster.

674
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: This is going to be probably the number one question.

675
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Would you remember a couple of years ago, was it

676
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: last year? Two years ago? They literally didn't have enough

677
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: receivers in like the spring because some guys were hurt.

678
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have twelve. I have them with twelve

679
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: receivers right now, and this is including udfhase, which are

680
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: not official. I should put that out there.

681
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: This is they signed what reportedly signed with three.

682
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Three So yeah, I'll just rd them off quickly. Diggs, mccollins,

683
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams. I think those four guys I

684
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: had them at the top of the list because they're

685
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: going to be on the roster in some way, shape

686
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: or form. Digs might be on pup, but he's going

687
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: to be on the team. We know that. Kendrick Bourne,

688
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: Kashawan Boody, the picks last year, Polkin Baker, John Giles

689
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: is still kicking around, e FT and Chisholm. Who I

690
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: want to get to when we get to the udfas

691
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: demere blankh Moosy blank of Moosey.

692
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah wait, hang on, I got I know I

693
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: can pronounce it if I'm reading it.

694
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Very sorry. I think it's Blank Music, Blank Museum and

695
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Webb. Those are their twelve receivers right now, including

696
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: the udfas. How do we see on April thirtieth, with

697
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: absolutely zero practices that we've watched or witnessed at this point,

698
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: how do you see this room shaking out? Or I

699
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: think a better question is for right now, you know,

700
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: who's the one guy that you really feel like is

701
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: going to be an odd man out. I think it's

702
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 2: hard right now just to sit here and say without

703
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: seeing even any OTA's exactly how they look at the room.

704
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so those four off the top right,

705
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I still think people are gonna criticize me for this

706
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: because he's been my guy for I still think Kendrick

707
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Horne is a good shot to make the team because

708
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: it went so well with him and Josh McDaniels last time.

709
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: And I just think McDaniels likes him. So that's five, right,

710
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: And then it comes down to Kashawan, Boody and the

711
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: two rookies for that last spot or the two rookies

712
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: from last year for that last spot. They've shown it

713
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: they're not afraid of significant roster turnover. That was another

714
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: takeaway for me from this draft and just the way

715
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: they kind of went about and really the off seas

716
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: as a whole. People were, you know, talking back in

717
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: January about you know, you got a clean house. How

718
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: much the roster can they change people? Kind of facetiously

719
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: saying keep Drake, keep Christian Zalez, move on from the rest.

720
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: And I was there saying, like, realistically, like forty to

721
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: forty five percent is a pretty significant roster turnover from

722
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: one year to another in the NFL generally, that's the case.

723
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I think that they're going beyond the typical here. I

724
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be well in this is I'm talking

725
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: forty to forty five percent. That's fifty three man roster

726
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: week eighteen to fifty three men roster week one. We

727
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: still got a ways to go before we get to

728
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: the initial fifty three man roster, but it might be

729
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: over fifty percent. So you know, Born Booty, Pulk Baker.

730
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys are safe, especially

731
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, just one of the udfases, Eft and Chisel

732
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: make a push. So it's those four are gonna make it.

733
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Pop Hollins Digs if he's not on pup, and then

734
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, right, those four will make it. After that,

735
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I think it's wide open for one, maybe maybe two spots.

736
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some guys that get cut that I

737
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: don't know surprise is the right word, but.

738
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Have some NFL talent NFL ability. I've come around to

739
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: Kayshawan Boody a little bit, just because stylistically, again, if

740
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: you need that sacrificial X, like that true sacrificial X

741
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: that we've seen here in the past with Josh McDaniels,

742
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: Nelson Aguilar, right, like, someone like that, that's kind of

743
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: Kaysehan Boody to me is a guy that can run

744
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: verticals on the outside, do a pretty good job with it,

745
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: maybe occasionally catch a slant or something underneath off of

746
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: the vertical stem, and every once in a while he's

747
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: gonna sneak behind Derek Stingley for a bomb, right And

748
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: if that's all that role is in this offense moving forward,

749
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: then he showed last year that he has the ability

750
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: to do that at an NFL level. So has Javon

751
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Baker proven that. No has Jalen Polk, even though I

752
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: think he'll get a really really strong chance as a

753
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: second round pick in his second year. Neither one of

754
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: those guys have shown yet that they can do anything

755
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 2: NFL caliber like Keayshawn Booty has. So it seems odd

756
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: to me. And this it's a trade, and because he

757
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: has the most value in a trade, that could maybe

758
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: make some sense that they deal Booty to get some

759
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: something better.

760
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Unless they just think Mac Collins is gonna do that.

761
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I feel like Booty gets down the field

762
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: a little bit better than Mac Collins. But I could

763
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: see that. I just out of all these guys, I

764
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: feel like Booty I've come around the most two uh

765
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: being on the team.

766
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Javon Baker blank demere blank emcy blank emcy.

767
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, Javon Baker is squarely on the bubble like that.

768
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna need a really really good camp. I would

769
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: say he's probably gonna need a really good offseason, like

770
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna OTAs included mini camp, training camp all the

771
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: way through. He's gonna have to be consistent and he's

772
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: gonna to be good.

773
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: It's even on the bubble or is he on the

774
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: outside looking at.

775
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: Probably on the outside looking yeah, to be more fair

776
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: about it, all right, anything else on Kyle Williams.

777
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: No, I think that's other than your victory kind of

778
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: killed their pace there, No.

779
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: That's okay, that was worth it. That was a good pick.

780
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: All right, next one here, Jared Wilson, ninety fifth overall

781
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: center from Georgia.

782
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: Let me point out first real quick. They traded down

783
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: twice to get him. Yeah, so I was harping future picks,

784
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: future picks, future picks.

785
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: Got one they got on twenty twenty six, fourth.

786
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Right, So nice pick, and some people think the Bears

787
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: might be really bad. I was kind of surprised how

788
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: many people were, like, that could be a top hundred

789
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: ten pick, but like you take that, they also a

790
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: future sixth and seventh. Yeah, if the Bears are bad

791
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: enough that fourth plus that sixth, maybe you're back in

792
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: the top one hundred.

793
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's a it's it's not a bad a

794
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: bad asset to have. Yeah, in the old tool belt, Okay,

795
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson. I I feel a little bit like, because

796
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: he's a center, people are not talking enough of about

797
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson as a part of this foursome of offensive

798
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: players that they drafted out the top. It's not the

799
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick, it's not too flashy skill players. So

800
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: I get it. I get that it's a center, But

801
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: besides Campbell, I feel like there's a really nice floor

802
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: to Jared Wilson where I feel pretty comfortable projecting Jared

803
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: Wilson as a starter at some point. I don't know

804
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: if it will be right out of the gate. It

805
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: might be midway through his rookie year, his second year,

806
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: even maybe he's the sixth man on the offensive line

807
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: next year as like a three interior three interior spot player.

808
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: But everything that I've watched of him and everything I've

809
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: heard of about Jared Wilson is that this is a

810
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: center that is really dynamic. And when you talk about centers,

811
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: just like a Mike linebacker on defense, the center kind

812
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: of sets the pace for the offensive line in the

813
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: run game. So if you want to be dynamic downhill

814
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: run scheme that can get to the second level, and

815
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: you want to get out up to the second level

816
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: and get those interior guys into combinations and get them

817
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: up to the second level, or you want to run

818
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: stretch or outside zone to get to the numbers, the

819
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: center is the one that's setting the pace of that.

820
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: So if you want to do those types of things,

821
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: which I think the Patriots want to do more the

822
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: former than the latter, an athletics center really helps. And

823
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: when you look across the league at guys that have

824
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: his level of athleticism, whether you know it's Eric McCoy

825
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: and New Orleans or you know, Jason Kelsey's kind of

826
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: the apex of that, right, you know, he's the top

827
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: tier of this. When you look at those types of guys,

828
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: it just opens a lot of what you are able

829
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: to do schematically, whether it's run game, screen game, moving pockets,

830
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: things like that. So that's why I would say that

831
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm really excited or high on the pick with Jared

832
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: Wilson is because of his athleticism. Center position, you're not

833
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: normally covered these days, like maybe there's a shade over

834
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: your outside shoulder that you have to in a slide

835
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: you'd have to get to, or on a reach or

836
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: something like that. On the line of scrimmage double team

837
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: obviously you're getting to. But you're not a lot of

838
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: hit up rushers anymore these days over the center, especially

839
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: on early downs, and teams don't play with a ton

840
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: of zero technique nose tackles. So he's more of an

841
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: athletic center. Wide body, like his frame, like the way

842
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: he carries the weight as well. I just think that

843
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: this guy has a really nice floor to him as

844
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: the ninety fifth pick. When you pick ninety five, he's

845
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: kind of two ways to go about it. You can

846
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: either pick a guy that has first round traits but

847
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: doesn't have a first round pedigree, or you can pick

848
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: a guy that's getting on base right. You can go

849
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: both ways. Jared Wilson kind of splits the atom to

850
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: me because he's got the athleticism to have a high upside,

851
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: and he's young and he only had that one year

852
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: of starting at Georgia. But he's all also a guy

853
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: that I feel like could probably start at center, Like

854
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: if they had an honest competition between him and Garrett

855
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: Bradbury in camp, I think Jared Wilson might win the competition.

856
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: And I think they might have that competition. Yeah, to me,

857
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: that's what this is all about. How long can get?

858
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: So we talk sometimes about you know, day one starter,

859
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: Year one starter, right, where a day one starter is

860
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: a guy Will Campbell. How many's gonna be the left

861
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: tack was no question about it. Year one starter is

862
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: a guy that, okay, like he might not be ready

863
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: to go week one of his rookie year, but by

864
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: the end of his rookie year he should be the starter.

865
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: I think Jared Wilson is in that category. Yeah, he's

866
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: a year one starter. It's just about how long Bradbury

867
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: can hold him off. And maybe who knows, maybe it

868
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: is week one. But like I think Jared Wilson is

869
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: going to be the starting center by the end of

870
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: the year. I know Elliott Wolf said that they think

871
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: he can play some guard. To me, that's probably more

872
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: an emergency thing. Yeah, and you know, if they really

873
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: need somebody. I don't think he's going to be fully

874
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: in there competing for that left guard role. I think

875
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: it's more if they need him there, fine, but they

876
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: want to develop as a center because he has the

877
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: ability to be a long term center in the NFL.

878
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: You mentioned the athleticism. The other thing is he's an

879
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: incredibly smart football player. Yeah, and the commands going back

880
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. We think with Josh McDaniels were last

881
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: year it was the center setting all those protections. But

882
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: the center is still going to help in that and

883
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: the center's still gonna help communicate along the offensive line.

884
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: Guy that's really smart, really athletic. If he was a

885
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: two year starter, I think he probably goes top fifty. Yeah,

886
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, he was the first center off the board.

887
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: I just think what was tough for him is in

888
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: this draft there is a lot of experience lineman. Two

889
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: three four year starters on the offensive line, his one

890
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: year starter and he really didn't play a ton before

891
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: that at all at Georgia. Like, he's really raw. So

892
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: if you you know, read the scouting reports that are

893
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: on there, they talk about hand placement, they talk about,

894
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, his footwork and things like that. I'm not

895
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: saying that those knocks are wrong, but it's he looks

896
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: like a guy that hasn't played a lot of football

897
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: because he hasn't a lot of that stuff is very fixable.

898
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: It's just gonna come with reps. The preseason is gonna

899
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: be huge for him. He will be one of the

900
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: most important players to watch this preseason and we'll see

901
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: if he can kind of learn quickly and grow quickly.

902
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: I think he can push Bradberry sooner rather than later.

903
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest thing with him, like you said,

904
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, I just looked it up real quick. Drew

905
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: Kendall from Boston College. You went to the Eagles. He

906
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: had thirty seven career starts at Boston College. At center.

907
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Wilson only had twelve at Georgia. So especially when you

908
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: talk about centers and you talk about the responsibility mentally

909
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: on centers. Normally, when you get guys in the draft

910
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: that play center, unless they're like Zabel, who's like a

911
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: tackle or a guard that's moving to center. Guys that

912
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 2: were career centers that are getting drafted as centers, those

913
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: guys are like three, four, sometimes even five year starters,

914
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: like they might have upwards of forty to fifty starts

915
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: in college. So you're talking about guys that have a

916
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: ton of experience. That's not Jared Wilson. He's a guy

917
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: that has a ton of upside and a ton of ability,

918
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: but doesn't have the experience. Now, the one thing that

919
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: did make me feel a little bit better when I

920
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: was talking to some of his coaches at Georgia, they

921
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: pointed out in practice over the last couple of years

922
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: he's been running scout team until this most recent year,

923
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: think about the Georgia interior defensive lineman that he's been

924
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: facing on scout team for his freshman and sophomore year.

925
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: They the way they put it to me was that

926
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: practice might have been harder than some of the games

927
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: that he was going to be playing in. Now it's

928
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: a different energy, right, it's a different moment, it's a

929
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: different environment. But in terms of the skill and the

930
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: talent he was going up against in practice at Georgia,

931
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: they obviously have a ton of just ridiculous players there

932
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: that have come through there on the interior defensive line.

933
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: So in some ways, like he's almost battle tested, but

934
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: just behind the scenes in a weird way, so that

935
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: that would be interesting. You mentioned Guard. I agree with

936
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: you well that long term, there's no doubt about it,

937
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: that centers his best position and having like I said earlier,

938
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: having a dynamic center that can do different things on

939
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: the move, and I can also really quickly side note,

940
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: we're watching Good Morning Football on this side screen and

941
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: Trags was just on Good Morning. Oh yeah, saw the

942
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: Let's Go track, the Clinton is Mike flag and everything. Anyway, sorry,

943
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: that was just distracting, uh our guy track shout out Trags. Uh.

944
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, you know, just letting him just

945
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: unlocking him at the center position to climb to get

946
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: out in front of blocks in the screen game. I

947
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: go watch him against Tennessee, just like you know, clipping

948
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: guys in space right, Like, that's what he does at

949
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: his best, and I think that he gets the most.

950
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: You get the most out of that if he plays center.

951
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: So I would assume he's going to play center long term.

952
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: But is there a world where their best five includes

953
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: him and Bradbury?

954
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: Because I think there is, there could be. I mean,

955
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: maybe he.

956
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: Plays a little bit of left guard as aokie.

957
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: I would just say, like they got I get wanting

958
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: guys to be able to play multiple positions. I'm not

959
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: against that philosophically, but there is a tipping point where

960
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: the guy's got to learn the position he's gonna play.

961
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: And last year's coaching staff was way too In across

962
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: training we talked about this. There was you know, you're

963
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: trying to get Kate Wallace to move from right to left.

964
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: You're playing right left, you're playing MC guard. It's like, no,

965
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: he has learn he has to play the position you're

966
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: trying to teach him. And so with Jared Wilson, he's

967
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: best long term at center. So if they think that's

968
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: what's best for him to play center long term, fine,

969
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: But if it's not that much of a gap between

970
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: him and whoever the next best left guard is I

971
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: would almost just let him keep working at center, just

972
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: because that's really where you need him to develop and learn. Now,

973
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: maybe that is playing left guard. Maybe they think the

974
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: best way to do that is by playing left guard.

975
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: But I would make all my decisions regarding him about

976
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: getting him ready to be Drake may center for the

977
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: next ten years.

978
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: Fair Enough. The only reason why I brought up the

979
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: left guard thing, because I mostly agree with what you

980
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: just said, is because he might be the best blocker

981
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: to play that position. And if he's really ready, but

982
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: you don't feel like he's mentally ready to be the center,

983
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: then he can play left guard where he has none

984
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: of the mental you're you're still getting him on the

985
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: field and he's still playing.

986
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm not rolling out entirely. I just I think that

987
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: there's tremendous value in him playing center, and I want

988
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: that to be where he hands up long term.

989
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to day three. We're we're

990
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: cruising a little bit. We've got a little bit bogged

991
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: down there, but we're all right. Uh. Craig Woodson in

992
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: the fourth round, one of six overall from cal Now,

993
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, if I had to grade the

994
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: Patriots draft, Yeah, I would give them an A minus.

995
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: And the reason why I wouldn't give them an A

996
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: is because I didn't love this pick. This was not

997
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: the pick I would have personally made. Now that doesn't

998
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: mean anything. In two to three years, they could Craig

999
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: Woodson could end up being really good exactly.

1000
00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1001
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: But with that being said, this was the only pick

1002
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: in the entire draft that they broke off consensus. So

1003
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: this is the only pick that they kind of went

1004
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: out on a limb on a little bit, both you

1005
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: and I and I want to speak for you, but

1006
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: I feel like this is the case. Saw Billy Bowman

1007
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: and Malchai Moore as better players than Craig woods Yeah,

1008
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: and they went right after Craig Woodson in the fourth round.

1009
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: There was a little run on safeties, so they read

1010
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: the run correctly. They I believed that maybe there was

1011
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: some interest in Kevin Winston, the Penn State safety that

1012
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: went at the end of Day two, So they read

1013
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: the run correctly. They jumped on Woodson before the kid

1014
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 2: from Ohio State went. Was it Latham Lately, Ransom, Malchi Moore,

1015
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: Billy Bowman, all those guys Williams dinner. They all went

1016
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: in like the span of like thirty two picks. Yeah,

1017
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: so they read the run and they got their guy

1018
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: in Woodson, unless it was Winston in the third round,

1019
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: but they ended up getting one of their guys in Woodson.

1020
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: To start on the positives with Woodson and then I

1021
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: want to talk about kind of unpack why they might

1022
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: have went with Woodson instead of more or Billy Bowman,

1023
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: who we liked better Woodson when I watched him on tape,

1024
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: what I liked the most about him was his reactions

1025
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: in space or his instincts in space. I think he's

1026
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: got a really good motor, athleticism, physical nature to his game.

1027
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: Could play demeanor, can strike the football, can separate the

1028
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: ball from receivers coming over the middle of the field,

1029
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 2: really good at rotating into the box or starting down

1030
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: low and run support, screen support, perimeter support, all those

1031
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: different types of things that you do. He's got some

1032
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: experience at Nickel. I'll get to that in a second.

1033
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: I think there are is and you got a lot

1034
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: of this question. I'm sure you did too. You know,

1035
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: could he be Deron Harmon right?

1036
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: Like?

1037
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: Can he play free safety over the top? I do

1038
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: think he can do that. I don't think it's he's

1039
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: not going to be Devin mccorty. He's probably gonna be

1040
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: closer to de Ron Harmon, But I do think he

1041
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: has the ability to do that. They played a lot

1042
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: of split safety coverage in cal but they rotated their safeties.

1043
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: And one of the things that we've heard a lot

1044
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: about from the Patriots coaching staff and a couple times

1045
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: we've gotten to speak with the position coaches is that

1046
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: they want to be interchangeable at the safety position. They

1047
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 2: don't want this guy's free safety, that guy's strong safety,

1048
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: this guy's playing post, that guy's playing robber, and to

1049
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: have teams be able to predict which ones which on

1050
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: a down to down basis. So when it comes to

1051
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: why they took Whitston over Bowman, why they took him

1052
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: over more, I think the main reason is his size.

1053
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: Like he's got a little bit more size. He's over

1054
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: six feet two hundred and five pounds. Bowman and Moore

1055
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: were like five ten five eleven one ninety ish. So

1056
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: if they're going to be interchangeable at safety, and they're

1057
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: going to want him to rotate down and fly down

1058
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: into the box, and put his hat his hat in

1059
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: the run game. He's got a little bit more size

1060
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: and a little bit more kirk to him and you know,

1061
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: mass to his frame to be able to handle the

1062
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: run responsibilities of doing that. So, if I had to guess,

1063
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: it's probably like a size profile that they just preferred

1064
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: with Woodson over the guys we like.

1065
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: They didn't. Yeah, we wanted a true free safety. They

1066
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: wanted somebody like you said, he can do both a phil.

1067
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: Phil Perry pointed out some similarities to guys like Kevin

1068
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: Byerd and Kenny Vacaro, who Mike Rabel obviously had in Tennessee.

1069
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: So I don't think we're gonna maybe it's Marcus EPs

1070
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: like situationally, but I don't think we're gonna see that

1071
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: true dedicated free safety this year. I think it's still

1072
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: gonna be rotating with Dougar and Peppers and Woodson and

1073
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: moving guys around there.

1074
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: Now, the other thing that he had to done a

1075
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: little bit Woodson is play the nickel, and Elliott Wolf

1076
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: alluded to it after the draft or one of his

1077
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: don't know, I'll kind of bund it together one of

1078
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: his pre draft press conferences or post draft press conferences

1079
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: excuse me. Over the weekend, he alluded to the big

1080
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: nickel being in this defense and having a guy that

1081
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: isn't Marcus Jones body type, but is more of like

1082
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: a Craig Woodson body type frankly right, like a guy

1083
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: that's maybe pushing over two hundred pounds that can cover.

1084
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1085
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: The one thing that I hesitated with with with Woodson

1086
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: UH and that role is I thought his man coverage

1087
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: tape was a little bit inconsistent, UH watching him against Syracuse, UH,

1088
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: he faced Gats in their tight end a handful of times,

1089
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: and I thought Gatson got the better of the matchup.

1090
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: I thought he struggled in man coverage against him. So

1091
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: that's a that's a receiving tight end, Like, that's what

1092
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Gatson's really like, a big slot receiver.

1093
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: He was.

1094
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's his specialty. But I don't know

1095
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: if I saw the transitions or the smoothness and his

1096
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: hips uh and his in his transitions to be able

1097
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: to stick in man to man coverage against dynamic tight ends.

1098
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: We'll see maybe maybe they cleaned that up. Maybe that

1099
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: was just one game and he cleans that up moving forward.

1100
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't necessarily say I thought he was a

1101
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: high end man coverage player. I thought he was a

1102
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: little bit on the lower end in that vein. But

1103
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: what I did like about him a lot, like I said,

1104
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: was his ability to track the football in terms of

1105
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: like having eyes in the backfield on the quarterback and

1106
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 2: the backfield action and then making place.

1107
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: He also talked about Woodson himself set some long lines

1108
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: like I love contact, I'd love to hit people, whatever

1109
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: that means. Like his athletic profile, that demeanor. He's going

1110
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: to be a stud on special teams.

1111
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: Yep.

1112
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's probably part of it.

1113
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a great point. Fourth round pick probably

1114
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 2: projects as like a third safety.

1115
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: Third safety, key special teamer. You know, they'll see when

1116
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: those Duggers and Pepper's contracts start to run up, you know,

1117
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: steps into a bigger role in a couple of years.

1118
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: But I see what they're going for with to pick,

1119
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: Like I understand why they made it. I personally would

1120
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: have gone in a different direction, but like you said,

1121
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what we would have done.

1122
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: Yep. Fair enough. And just last thing on Woodson and

1123
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: that that point, I the consensus. The consensus. I think

1124
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 2: it's it's it's fair to share that information. Like I said,

1125
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: this was the first pick that really broke from consensus. Well,

1126
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: but he was in like the one eighties on most

1127
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: consensus board.

1128
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: No, but didn't a lot of like like Brugler had

1129
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: him fourth round, right, Dane had a sixth round.

1130
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: Right now.

1131
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: I thought I saw some of the national guys.

1132
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: So the one, the one national guy that had him

1133
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: higher was Daniel Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah was really big on Woodson.

1134
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: He had really nice things to say on the broadcast

1135
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: about how he didn't see what everybody else was missing

1136
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: with you know, he thought he was crazy thinking that

1137
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: this guy was better than everybody else did. And he

1138
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: was really high on the pick. So hopefully DJ ends

1139
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: up being right. You know that tends to Yeah, So

1140
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: that that's Craig Woodson. Oh yeah, this was the other

1141
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to say about him before we move on.

1142
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot of conversations out there

1143
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: about safety not being in need, and I feel like

1144
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: we were all over safety as a potential need not

1145
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: to like toot our own horns. But Kyle Duggart did

1146
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: not have the or that they wanted him to have

1147
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 2: last year, he was hurt, he didn't play well when

1148
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: he was out there. We all know what happened with

1149
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: Jabrill Peppers off the field. Like, there's not a whole

1150
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: lot of security right now in terms of those two

1151
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: guys like being what they thought they were going to

1152
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: be when they signed those extensions. So as much as

1153
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see Woodson pushing either one as like

1154
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: a starting safety to begin with, I don't think that

1155
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: it's that crazy that they targeted a good.

1156
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: Spots have depth. I thought, well, I was saying safety

1157
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: in the need of the you know, free safety kind

1158
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: of thing, but yeah.

1159
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Joshua Farmer one of my favorite picks

1160
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: of the draft. Both these guys, I thought, just the

1161
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: value that they got out of Farmer and Swinson picking

1162
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 2: them where they did, probably at least in Farmer's case,

1163
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: maybe more like a half around later than people expected. Swinston,

1164
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: I would say, a round or two later than a

1165
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: lot of people expected. So really good value with both

1166
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: these players. And what I like about both of them

1167
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: together is that one sort of like a hybrid tweeer

1168
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: defensive end defensive tackle. One's like a true edge rusher,

1169
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's off the outside the tackle. So like

1170
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: together they make a nice kind of situational player.

1171
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, where if they're gonna they're gonna be high five

1172
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: and a lot coming on and off the field.

1173
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Farmer can play on inside, you know, defensive end,

1174
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: like I said, hand the dirt end or handing the

1175
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: dirt defensive tackle on early downs. Swinson can be a

1176
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: pass for a specialist on third down. And you have

1177
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: this nice little like you said, high fiving each other

1178
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me different positions, but like similar to

1179
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: like Anthony Jennings and Joshua uch right, or like together

1180
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: they're a complete player. Like they aren't good complete players individually,

1181
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: but together they're a complete player. With Farmers specifically, a

1182
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: couple of things that stand out. On the positive end,

1183
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: his upper body twitch and power and length are just

1184
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: very noticeable. The second debt you turn on the tape,

1185
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: he has thirty five in charms. So this is a

1186
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: long armed, powerful, well built human being that really didn't

1187
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: necessarily play to his trades all the time. But I

1188
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: love the chance that they're taking here with Ray Bowl

1189
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: with Terrell Williams. Like, give Terrell Williams right the raw

1190
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: tools the guy, and let's see if Terrell Williams can

1191
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: seizon him up and can round about his game farmer,

1192
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: very strong at the point of attack, very good length,

1193
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: very good pressing, shed ability, Like there's a ton of

1194
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: evidence of him just rocking an offensive lineman back and

1195
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: just throwing him to the side, right and just discarding

1196
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: guys in the run game. In the pass rush, there's

1197
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: speed to power there. There's obviously bowl with the longer arms.

1198
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a swim move that he

1199
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: can go to and a swipe. But when he was

1200
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: rushing off the edge, he likes to swipe. So I

1201
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: think he can play a little bit of four three end.

1202
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: I think you can play a little bit of three technique.

1203
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: I like the versatility and I love the tools. Now

1204
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: there's some work to be done here in terms of

1205
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: the tech which we can get to. But on the

1206
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: positive end, that that's what I see with him.

1207
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a guy that I think you kind of

1208
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: allude to. It can play multiple positions along the defensive line,

1209
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: and it is very athletic. Was better as a run

1210
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: stopper at Florida State, but just because of his athleticism,

1211
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: probably has some pass rush upside. Yeah, I think the

1212
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: idea is you put him bar more Milton Williams keyon

1213
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: white and that's your front. Right. Those are four guys

1214
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: that are athletic. Those are four guys that can move around.

1215
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: We know they're not going to blitz a ton. Mike

1216
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: Rabel kind of alluded to that. I think it was

1217
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: in his introductory press conference early on. Yeah, you know,

1218
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: he was kind of asked his philosophies on the blitz

1219
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: and said, it's more about when you do it than

1220
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: how often you do it. So you got to generate pressure.

1221
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: Those are guys you can run a ton of games with.

1222
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: You can move them around, you're gonna keep offensive lines

1223
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: on their toes. So he's just another piece that fits

1224
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: that mold. They're a little small up front now, which

1225
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: I do worry about. I thought they might add another

1226
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: nose tackle. But because Farmers a better run stopper than

1227
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: his size would suggest, which makes me like, like, like

1228
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: this pick a little more than just getting the average

1229
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: toolsy rusher, because they do need guys who can play

1230
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: the run.

1231
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's six three three oh five with the

1232
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: thirty five inch arms. Yeah, so even though he's only

1233
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: three oh five and thirty five inch arms helped create

1234
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: that separation for blocks and create the distance so that

1235
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: they can't get up underneath him and drive him off

1236
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: the ball, which helps him kind of make up for

1237
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: the fact that he's only three oh five, right, So

1238
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: that helps. Now with that being said, you know, on

1239
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: the other side of the coin, because we're when you

1240
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: talk about a player like this and you're speaking so highly, well,

1241
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: he went in the fourth round, so there has to

1242
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: be a reason he wasn't a higher pick. I thought

1243
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: some of the things you know that I wrote down

1244
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 2: in my notes, just you know, he will get washed

1245
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: out by double teams. I don't think this is a

1246
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: guy that you really want him to get vertical into

1247
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: the block and really attack the base block, right. You

1248
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: don't want him trying to hold the point of attack

1249
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: and posting.

1250
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: Up and so the opposite of the defensive tackles that

1251
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: they've had, like they would have never drafted this guy

1252
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: under built. And that doesn't mean he's bad players. Stylistically,

1253
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: he's very different than what Patriots fans are used to

1254
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: seeing at the defensive.

1255
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so as much as he's got a powerful upper

1256
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: body and good twitch off the ball, and he's got

1257
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: good snap quickness to really get into the line of

1258
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: scrimmage and fire his hands. But if you're asking him

1259
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: to eat blocks, like that's not his game. He's not

1260
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: a block eater. He's more of like a reset the

1261
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage kind of guy and then use his

1262
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: upper body power to shed the block. I would also say,

1263
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, just in the pass rush, his pads will

1264
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: get up and then that will sap his power. So

1265
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: like when he goes to bull rush guys, he gets

1266
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: a little high with his pads and then then he

1267
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have the bull rushing power that you would probably

1268
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: like to see out of him as like a foundational

1269
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: rush in his pass rush. So there's some technique stuff

1270
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: in general, block anticipation technique stuff that they will need

1271
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: to you know, round out or improve as his career progresses.

1272
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: But like I said earlier, I just I love the

1273
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: idea of giving a guy like this to Terrell Williams.

1274
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: Like I think Terrell Williams will fix a lot of

1275
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: those types of things or work to mitigate them, you know,

1276
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: kind of like Bill style, where you just hide them

1277
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: instead of maybe you can't get it out of him.

1278
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: So you just kind of hide him. But the one

1279
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: thing I will say, I didn't think that he consistently

1280
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: played to his physical ceiling, Like he has a much

1281
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: higher physical ceiling than what he showed at at Florida

1282
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: State at times. But I think that he can get

1283
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: there with the right type of coaching. So I'm excited

1284
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: about seeing Terrell Williams work with a player like this

1285
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: all right in the fifth round bright In Swinson from

1286
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: lsu A, is it fair to call him a media darling?

1287
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: He's kind of a media darling, Like I feel like

1288
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: the draft media was very high.

1289
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm very because of how much he fell. Yeah, right,

1290
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: a guy that was. I don't even think Consts's top

1291
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: one hundred. I think in sins Hiss top seventy five.

1292
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had him in the top one hundred for short.

1293
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: And to get him at one forty six, I think

1294
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: that was a big part of it. Was just like

1295
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: there's always those players here and there in the draft. Evan,

1296
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've experienced it, especially once you get into

1297
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: Day three, the picks or something coming so quick, and

1298
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: you're following what your team's doing, and you know you'll

1299
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: see a guy get drafted. He hadn't gotten yet. Yeah,

1300
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: Like I think CJ. Dupree is a UGFA with somebody

1301
01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: like that for me. But I think Swinson a lot

1302
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: of people probably you know, you're doing what you're doing

1303
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: on day three and you're not necessarily tracking each individual pick,

1304
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: trying to catch up every you know, five ten minutes

1305
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: and suddenly it's wait, he hadn't gone yet, And I

1306
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: think he was one of those guys.

1307
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: So I had him eighty seventh in my top one hundred.

1308
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: Him and Jordan Birch from Oregon were really close for me.

1309
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: Like there Birch go, I think he went a little

1310
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: bit earlier, but similar players, you know, similar type.

1311
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Birch went. Well know you have them similar some

1312
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: curiosies for the point of the value. Birch went seventy eight. Yeah,

1313
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: so it's not a little bit sooner.

1314
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: I'll let I'll let Dane talk about some of the

1315
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: reasons why he might have fallen.

1316
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: Swinston was seventy one on the consensus.

1317
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: We asked Dan about Swinson, who was his favorite Day

1318
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: three pick out of the Patriots Hall, and he had

1319
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: some good intel on why he might have fallen. So

1320
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: you guys will hear that at the end of the show.

1321
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: But in terms of Swinson's skill set, I describe him

1322
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 2: as a speed to power rusher, Like that's sort of

1323
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: how I see him. Other people see him as more

1324
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: of a pure speed guy with a great bend. I

1325
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: think he's got a little bit of both his game. Look,

1326
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: he had sixty pressures last year at LSU, So sixty

1327
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: pressures in the SEC is not something to it's.

1328
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 1: Not light work.

1329
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 2: That's not light work.

1330
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: And he didn't have to face the short arm tackle.

1331
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah right, he only did in practice, So sixty.

1332
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: Se LSU put out a picture of the two of

1333
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: them in practice, like going at each other. Yeah, that's

1334
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: always cool.

1335
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: Sixty pressures and thirty one stops too in twenty twenty

1336
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: four at LSU. That's really good production. And what I

1337
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: like so much about Swinson and players of this mold,

1338
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: I think when you look at the players that succeed

1339
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: in the past rushing in the NFL, most of them

1340
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: win with speed and win with bent. It's not a

1341
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: lot and sometimes it happens like like hand up, I

1342
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: kind of not miss, but like was lower than I

1343
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: should have been on Jared Verse because Jared versus a

1344
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: straight through you to the quarterback kind of guy, right,

1345
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: Like he is a power rusher and a lot of

1346
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: the times you get burned by those guys Tyree Wilson, Right,

1347
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: that's the guy in Vegas that they drafted like eight

1348
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: to oh level a couple of years ago. That would

1349
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: just ragged all people. Well, you can do that at

1350
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: the college level, you can't necessarily do that at the

1351
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: NFL level. Well, I like so much about Swinton is

1352
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: that he does have speed off the line, and he

1353
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: has bent so he can win with pure speed on

1354
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 2: the edge. I think he can also generate or create

1355
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: or convert speed to power. He has a really good

1356
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: first step. He has decent length on the edge about

1357
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: you know, average to above average length. So I think

1358
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: that he's a guy that, even though there's some knocks

1359
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: on him in the run defense in terms of setting

1360
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: the edge and posting up and being thirty out there

1361
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, when you see him,

1362
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, off the weak side, being able to get

1363
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: downhill at the line of scrimmage, he can run through

1364
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: blockers and he can make plays in the run game

1365
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: that way. Short term, his best path to getting on

1366
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: the field or making an impact on the team is

1367
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: rushing the passer. There's no doubt about that. He's definitely

1368
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: a situational third down rusher on in his career. But

1369
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: similar to what we do with Uch over the years,

1370
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: like can he get good enough against the run to

1371
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: be a three down player? That's gonna be the question

1372
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: with him. I have no doubt in my mind he's

1373
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: going to stick in the league as a pass rusher. Yeah,

1374
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: He's going to be a third down situational pass rusher

1375
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL. The question is is he going to

1376
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: be able to be more than that? That's I don't know.

1377
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair question. But for where they took

1378
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: him to get a situational pass rusher there and they

1379
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: needed more pass rush depth, So it makes sense to me.

1380
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: I think he's another guy too that if the coach

1381
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: is like, this is a coaching staff that's kind of

1382
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: coached up guys with these row trades and got in

1383
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: a high level. So he mentioned he was excited to

1384
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 1: work with the Patriots coaching staff when when we talked

1385
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: to him after the pick. Yeah, so we'll see, but

1386
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: I think there is untap potential there.

1387
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's over two hundred and fifty pounds, So he's

1388
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 2: not tiny. It's not like he's six three, two fifty five.

1389
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: So he's a well built guy.

1390
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: He's not built like if you think like speed rusher, like,

1391
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: he's not built like any of those guys just flying

1392
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: around the edge, right, And.

1393
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: He's not built like a guy that couldn't be better

1394
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: against the run right right, Like, he's not a two

1395
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: ordred He's not Jasiah Stewart, where he's six and forty

1396
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: pounds soaking wet. I just thought some of the things

1397
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: that he struggled with in the run game. He's a

1398
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: he's a he's a head ducker into contact. So like

1399
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: when he comes off the ball and he sees the block,

1400
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna duck his head into contact, and that's to

1401
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: generate power and force right into the block, right. But

1402
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: the problem when you do that is is that you

1403
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: lose sight of the football. So what happened to him

1404
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: is he would duck his head into contact, he would

1405
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: create movement, but then the guy would bounce out of

1406
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: his edge and he wouldn't see it coming, right, He

1407
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't have eyes in the backfield, or it would be

1408
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: like a zone read and he wouldn't see the quarterback

1409
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: keep it, so he'd lose the edge that way. Those

1410
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: were the things that you saw with some of the

1411
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: head ducking with him on tape, a couple of the

1412
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: other things just I discipline, you know, misdirection, you know,

1413
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: those are the things that I thought were you know,

1414
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 2: kind of had him. Anchor was a little hit or

1415
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 2: miss in the run game as well. So even though

1416
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: the anchor, I don't know if that's gonna asking brew.

1417
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it does. Maybe he adds more mass in play

1418
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: strength in the NFL NFL strength and conditioning program, as

1419
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: Paul Pirella likes to say. But in my mind that

1420
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 2: if he can just be more eyes in the backfield

1421
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: and head up in eyes in the backfield, and more

1422
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: focused on the ball in the backfield, I actually don't

1423
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: think he necessarily needs to be super strong on the edge,

1424
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: especially in a scheme like this. It's going to allow

1425
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,879
Speaker 2: him to get up the field. So I think Swinson's

1426
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: going to be a solid gift for them in the

1427
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: fifth rounding. Most people do all right, it's your time

1428
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 2: to shine again. The kicker. Yeah, how excited are you

1429
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: that the Patriots drafted the kicker Alex So.

1430
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: I like the way they did this. A lot of

1431
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: people are nervous. We're talking Andy Boorgallis from Miami Automatic

1432
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: Andy as they called him. I like that, which is

1433
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: is is fair because he Jeremy Springer when we talked

1434
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: to him last month, said consistency. That was like the

1435
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,480
Speaker 1: big thing he kept talking out when he's asked about kickers, consistency, consistency, consistency.

1436
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: Borgallis the most consistent kicker in the draft. He doesn't

1437
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: have necessarily the highest highs compared to some other guys,

1438
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: but he never like Ben Saals, was my guy for

1439
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: a while, right. Ben Saals did have a pretty bad

1440
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Like he was not good in twenty

1441
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: twenty three, rebounded in a big way in twenty twenty four.

1442
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: Borgallis was just steady Eddy, steady Andy, like he his

1443
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: numbers took a jump in twenty twenty four was his

1444
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: best season. But he never really had You don't really

1445
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: look at him having a bad year. He just kind

1446
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: of got progressively better every year. So that's why I

1447
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: think they took him. And I get people might be

1448
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: nervous after what happened with Chad Ryland a couple years ago,

1449
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: so where it's a little different. They took Chad Rylands

1450
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. He was there I think fifth pick,

1451
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth pick.

1452
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1453
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: They took Andy Borgallis in the sixth round as their

1454
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: eighth pick I believe seventh or eighth, So it's a

1455
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: lot lot less risk for a guy that I think

1456
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: is a better kicker. The other thing is Borgoalis is

1457
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: the first kicker off the board. The Patriots actually kicked

1458
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: off the kicker and Tyler Lup went to the Ravens

1459
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: a few picks later. The reason the Patriots took Ryland

1460
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: as high as they did in that draft was the

1461
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: forty nine ers reached on Jake Moody, who also hasn't

1462
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: been great. They took Jake Moody in the top one hundred,

1463
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,480
Speaker 1: so that was more reactionary pick than anything else. The Patriots.

1464
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: They this was not like, shoot, we got to get

1465
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: a kicker, and you know, drafting somebody higher because you're afraid. No,

1466
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: they took the kicker when they wanted to take the kicker.

1467
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: So you know he should beat out John Parker Romo

1468
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: for the job. He's a guy that doesn't have the

1469
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: biggest leg, but has a big leg. I think you

1470
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: feel comfortable fifty to fifty one fifty two. I don't

1471
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: know that he's somebody you're going to in the like

1472
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: fifty seven fifty eight range, but you know, I know

1473
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: you feel strongly about this. You and the past have

1474
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: been okay with that because you want them going for

1475
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: it in that range. You don't want some kicking field goals.

1476
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: So come on, stretch, do it for me.

1477
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: His career on stretch, his career long is fifty six.

1478
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: He's been pretty good from fifty when he's tried it,

1479
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: but it's mostly low fifties. So it's not like Nick Folk,

1480
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: all right, forty and in he's automatic, anything like forty

1481
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: nine plus, you're just not going to try he'll step

1482
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: into that fifty range. But he's consistent, he's experienced, and

1483
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: he also one of his coaches talked about an interview

1484
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: like he has a linebacker mentality. Jeremy Springer talked about

1485
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be important that kickers can cover kickoffs

1486
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: now in this new rules, and this is the thing

1487
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 1: he's willing to do that. Yeah, the one question, obviously,

1488
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: can he kick in the colt? And that's not something

1489
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: we can answer during training. Cam right, We're not gonna

1490
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: get answer that till we get an answer, I will say.

1491
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: When he was asked about it, I loved his answer

1492
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: because a lot of kickers get asked about that and say, well,

1493
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: kicking is kicking, Like I'm not really worried about it,

1494
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: he said, I understand it's a question, and I'm looking

1495
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: forward to prove people wrong because it's not the same.

1496
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: Kicking today when it's seventy degrees in Sonny is not

1497
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: the same as kicking the snowstorm is not the same

1498
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: as kicking when it's driving rain and forty degrees with

1499
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: twenty mile an hour winds. It's not And he's going

1500
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: to have to learn how to do it. It's going

1501
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: to be an adjustment. But and this isn't me saying

1502
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: he can do it again. This is the kind of

1503
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: thing where you don't know till you know. But I

1504
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: do like that he's taking the approach of not saying, well,

1505
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't really care about it, like he clearly cares.

1506
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: He clearly understands it's different. Said, He's looked up to

1507
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: Adam and Terry, so he has some understanding of that.

1508
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: We'll just have to see if he can do it.

1509
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think can they put him in like the

1510
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: Rocky ice box maybe, Like I've always thought that that

1511
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: was something that Bill would do eventually, is like, yeah,

1512
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: just turn the act and like you do is practice

1513
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: in the in the meeting. Well, the Saints did that

1514
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: with their quarterbacks last year before game in Green Bay.

1515
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: Do you remember that they put it. They cleared out

1516
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: they cleared out the big walk in fridge in the cafeteria. Yeah,

1517
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: and they had like a walk through in the in

1518
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: the freezer. Yeah, so well you need more room to

1519
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: kick the ball. But maybe they're building this new facility.

1520
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they are real like climate control.

1521
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: Right, and then they get it down to ten degrees,

1522
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: get the fans blown and I'm just on a simulator.

1523
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: It's it seems like something that Bill would do, and

1524
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 2: it kind of seems like something very able would do

1525
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 2: because he's kind of cut from the same cloth that

1526
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: they would figure out a way to get bork Oz,

1527
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: Like maybe they'd send him to like someplace else, you know,

1528
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: to to like get experience, like where is it winter

1529
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: all the time? I don't know, Antarctic North Pole?

1530
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: Well, so something Springer talked about when I asked him

1531
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: about this, was like for him, it's about how well

1532
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: the guy strikes the ball. And think about this with quarterbacks, right,

1533
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: When a lot of people think about arm strength, they

1534
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: think about how far you can throw the ball. And

1535
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: that's one interpretation of arm strength, or that's one function

1536
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: of it. Another is, you know, five yard slant. Your

1537
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: arm strength still matters because are you throwing the ball,

1538
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, sixty miles now or fifty miles now? Like

1539
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: how long is it going to take to get there?

1540
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: And so what Springer had said was when he looks

1541
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: at these guys, he kind of looks at how does

1542
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 1: their foot hit the ball? Yeah, what kind of contact

1543
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 1: do they make? So a guy who was big leg strength,

1544
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, leg strength can be a function of maybe

1545
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: he's not hitting sixty yardfield goals, but when he hits

1546
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: the ball, he makes really solid contact. It has good rotation,

1547
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: It is good velocity because that's going to cut through

1548
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: the wind and the rain and the snow.

1549
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: So you can kind of scout it without being in

1550
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: the right It's.

1551
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: Not perfect, but it's something that will help you tell

1552
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: It translates and one of the reporters down in Miami

1553
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: put out a tweet after Borgallis was drafted that basically,

1554
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: I want to see if I can find the exact tweet,

1555
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: but he basically said, like Borgallis was the second most

1556
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: impressive player at Miami's pro day, obviously behind cam Ward

1557
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: because it sounded like a gunshot, that that was the

1558
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: cannon fire guy, yeah, or cannon fire whatever cannon fired.

1559
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: I saw that as well. I like that line.

1560
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm okay. So that's something where you look at and

1561
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: we talked about this with with Bryce Barrier. Yeah, when

1562
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: they drafted him was when the ball hits it, and

1563
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: if you go way back to Quinn Nordina, Quinn Nordean

1564
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as accurate. Yeah, but this is a guy

1565
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: that the ball comes off as foo's strong, so there's

1566
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be as much room for the wind to

1567
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: knock it around.

1568
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: So that's Brgalis And I don't think you're gonna get

1569
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: any more thorough of a kicker breakdown than that. So

1570
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 2: you're welcome for that. One seventh round to twenty overall.

1571
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant, left tackle from Missouri, started his career at SMU,

1572
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 2: was at Missouri last year and they were so confident,

1573
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: I guess is the word or so comfortable. I think

1574
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: it's a better word. And Marcus Bryant that they didn't

1575
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: flip Membo, and they had talks at Missouri about potentially

1576
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: flipping Membo, Memb who played left tackle in high school.

1577
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: They were thinking that maybe they were going to flip him.

1578
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 2: Then they end up getting Brian in the portal from

1579
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 2: SMU and they're like, all right, well, we have this

1580
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: experience left tackle coming from a decent level of football

1581
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: at SMU and good program, so we feel pretty good

1582
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: and we're gonna not mess around with Membo and we're

1583
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 2: going to keep him on the right side. So Marcus

1584
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: Bryant ends up playing left tackle for Missouri last year,

1585
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: last couple of years, right, I think.

1586
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: It was just last last year. I think it was

1587
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: just last year. But he Javon Foster two years ago.

1588
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 2: What I like about the Bryant pick is that this

1589
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 2: is again a bet on tools, like this is a

1590
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: trade s based prospect. Is a guy that's got good measurables,

1591
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, six seven three three twenty uh requisite arm.

1592
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: Length beyond requisite thirty five ines.

1593
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: I think it's all. I think it's thirty four plus.

1594
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: I was going to say, and a really good testing. Yeah,

1595
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: good tester as Wester. So you put on Would you

1596
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: tell me about his RAS score? It was high, right,

1597
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: was it? I can't remember text as too many numbers.

1598
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,919
Speaker 2: It was good. I remember it being good like elite,

1599
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: like in their elite range.

1600
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant's taught this was from you. I don't know

1601
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: if you were being facetious or not. Marcus Bryant's top

1602
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: RAS comparisons are Oh I remember this now, Yeah, that

1603
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: was Joe Thomas and Jonathan Ogden and then you throw

1604
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: any Andrew Whitworth.

1605
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: It was the three. And I'm dead serious. And this

1606
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,839
Speaker 2: obviously is cut his tongue in cheek, but I'm dead serious.

1607
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 2: I pulled up his RAS card. RIS is Relative athletics score.

1608
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,480
Speaker 2: It's the best thing going right now to put combine

1609
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: numbers into context. And when I like so much about

1610
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 2: RIS is. First of all, it's it's weight adjusted. So

1611
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: if you're a three hundred and fifty pounds tackle, it

1612
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: adjusts for the fact that your three hundred fifty pounds

1613
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: and somebody else might be three hundred pounds, right, which matters.

1614
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 2: The other thing that I like about it is. It's

1615
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 2: not just gauging the forty like it takes into account

1616
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: the jumps, the agilities the forty and to get an

1617
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 2: all encompassing number, because let's face it, it's not just about

1618
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: how fast you run forty yards, right, Like, that's not

1619
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: the only gauge of athleticism. So Bryan tested really well.

1620
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: He measured really well, and his best comps for the

1621
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 2: names you just named. Now, he's not going to be those.

1622
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: Guys like a it was a joke, ribbing fun.

1623
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 2: Uh, he's not gonna be those guys. Uh, but he

1624
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: if you're gonna take a flyer on the seventh round

1625
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: and if they were gonna double dip a tackle, I

1626
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: don't know if this is truly a double dip when

1627
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 2: you pick somebody in the seventh round, but it's two tackles.

1628
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: If you're gonna technically, if you're gonna take a second tackle,

1629
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: this wasn't this the type of tackle you wanted to take,

1630
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 2: Like you took the the Will Campbell pick is the

1631
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: the safe, uh well rounded, great kid, high in tangible,

1632
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: high high football character uh SEC. Powerhouse tape, you know,

1633
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: great tape against great players all the all the boxes

1634
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: checked with Will Campbell, if you're gonna double dip that tackle.

1635
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 2: We were talking about Charles Grant, Anthony Belton, you know

1636
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: those types of guys pre draft. They waited a little

1637
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: bit longer, but they got a guy with a lot

1638
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 2: of raw talent that they can hopefully develop maybe into

1639
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 2: a backup or a swing tackle at some point.

1640
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: So that's the big thing for me with Marcus Bryant

1641
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: is is he's athletic. He's got experience on the right

1642
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,879
Speaker 1: and left side. We talked about this, they needed backups

1643
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: and Darian Lowe maybe he can be your backup left tackle,

1644
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: but he can't play on the right side. Kayden Wallace

1645
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: can be your backup right tackle, but he can't play

1646
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: on the left side. So if Marcus Bryant can prove

1647
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 1: he can be a backup caliber player, it saves you

1648
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: having to keep a tackle. I think ideally long term,

1649
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: Like my ideal projection for him, this ideal ideal. You know,

1650
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: he's a big, powerful guy. He can be proves he

1651
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: can be a starting right tackle in the Patriots system

1652
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: if he's gonna play long term, like that's where he's

1653
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: gonna stick. Because he does have experience on both sides.

1654
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: But I think, like, what would be great if he

1655
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: can just be your backup tackle, and maybe they still

1656
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: keep Kyden Wallace because they want to develop a long

1657
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: term right tacklet with a much higher ceiling. They want

1658
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: to develop a long term right tackle behind Morgan Moses,

1659
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: but like if they just want to, you know, in

1660
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: terms of basic depth, Marcus Bryant's the only guy on

1661
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: the roster that can play both tackle spots. So if

1662
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: he can prove he can be a backup caliber player,

1663
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: it saves you a roster spot because now you don't

1664
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: have to carry and they still might you don't have

1665
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: to carry a backup right tackle and a backup left tackle.

1666
01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 1: He's gonna fill both spots.

1667
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 2: It was definitely something I was considering. I put together

1668
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: my roster, you know, re configured the ninety man roster,

1669
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: and I like to do it too deep on the

1670
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: depth chart. And when I was doing the too deep

1671
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, I was thinking about tackle. So

1672
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: right now, Campbell and Moses obviously are your starters left

1673
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: and right. Uh Vederian Lowe is a left tackle. Only

1674
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: we know that, you know, like you said, Cayden Wallace,

1675
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: who we I agree I think Caden Wallace is worth

1676
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: keeping around to develop as a long term right tackle option.

1677
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 2: Maybe he can't start down the road. Demadri Jacobs has

1678
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: played a little bit of both. But I say this

1679
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 2: with all due respect, I don't know if Demantre Jacobs

1680
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,440
Speaker 2: an NFL.

1681
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: Player right, well, you just have more upside with Brian.

1682
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of a practice squad guy to me,

1683
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: and then you have Bryant, right, So really, when you

1684
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 2: think about it, they're going to keep Campbell, They're gonna

1685
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: keep Moses. Yeah, we think they're probably gonna keep Wallace,

1686
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: the third round pick in his second year, didn't really

1687
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 2: play as a rookie. He probably is gonna stay.

1688
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: Well. Wallace could also move inside of guard too, like

1689
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: they had kind of talked about that a little bit

1690
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: last year, maybe being something that never happened because they

1691
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: just need to tackle so bad and he got hurt.

1692
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: So you don't have to keep four, right, If they

1693
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: do keep four, would it make more sense. Let's let's

1694
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: say Will Campbell comes out of the gate and training

1695
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: campus is an absolute stud and you're you never think

1696
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 2: twice about it about setting and forgetting him.

1697
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 1: It would be nice.

1698
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, then do they really need to keep ve Darian Lowe,

1699
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 2: who is kind of is who he is and is

1700
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: only a one position backup right over a guy like

1701
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant who has some upside, has some tools and

1702
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 2: might be a multi position.

1703
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Back as long as Bryant can can prove he can

1704
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:40,759
Speaker 1: be that player.

1705
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, And go back to his RIS scores eight

1706
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: point nine to six out of ten, which is an

1707
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: the elite range for Bryan. Great explosiveness, vertical jump of

1708
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: thirty one and a half at six seven and three

1709
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: twenty which is a good number, and a four nine

1710
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 2: seven forty yard dashub five forty yard it's insane at

1711
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 2: six seven, So that's moving. That's moving. So when you

1712
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: look at Campbell, when you look at Brian, and you

1713
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: look at Jared Wilson, they got some athletes on the

1714
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 2: offensive line, like those guys are not just you know,

1715
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: it's not just the film with those guys, Like those

1716
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: guys have great measurables in athletics traits as well. All right,

1717
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:28,440
Speaker 2: moving on back to you and Julian Ashby the long snapper.

1718
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 2: I'm glad this kind of happened before the show. Joe

1719
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: Cardona released yesterday. Yeah, we should mention that ten year patriot,

1720
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: two times super Bowl champ, the last two or three.

1721
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,879
Speaker 1: Three times super got here in fifteen, right, so two.

1722
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, two time super Bowl champ, longest tenured Patriot, the

1723
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: last Patriot on the roster to have won a Super

1724
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: Bowl in New England.

1725
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,440
Speaker 1: Last one to beat teammates with Tom Brady in New England.

1726
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: Last one to be the teammates with Tom Brady in

1727
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: New England.

1728
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: But they do have somebody who won a Super Bowl

1729
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady on the roster in Tampa. In Tampa,

1730
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis.

1731
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: Should mention Ron Burton Award winner for Community service. Just

1732
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 2: a really I know he's a long snapper. I know

1733
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: it's not the most valuable position or anything like that,

1734
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: but just a really well rounded guy, like a really

1735
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: well rounded patriot. Obviously a patriot as well, you know,

1736
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: with military stuff, but in general, great in the community,

1737
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: great on the team, team captain last year. Just a

1738
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: good dude. I wish Cardona the best. I hope that

1739
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: he sticked someplace else. But the reason why they cut

1740
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: Joe Cardona was because they drafted a long snapper. If

1741
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 2: you're going to draft and use a draft pick on

1742
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: a long snapper, he's going to be the long snapper

1743
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: most likely. So what can you tell me about Julian Ashby?

1744
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: So he's really athletic, he had an elite another elite

1745
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: RAS guy. He had a faster ten yard split in

1746
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: the forty than I know.

1747
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 2: That's the fun one.

1748
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. Yeah,

1749
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: because he is a little undersized, which people but this

1750
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: is the way teams are using the long snapper now.

1751
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: And Joe Cardona talked about this last year. If you

1752
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: remember when he goes down he forces the fumble in

1753
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: the opener against Cincinnati, he was talking about and said, yeah,

1754
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: like I'm actually going down the field now because under

1755
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Bill that's not how they used the long snapper. The

1756
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: long snapper stayed back and blocked, and it was one

1757
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: of the last guys down the field. Didn't really make tackles,

1758
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: didn't make plays on the football. It was more of

1759
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: a protector. But there's this other philosophy where because the

1760
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: long snapper, you can't line up directly over him, and

1761
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: he's the one snapping the ball and getting the play started,

1762
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: he kind of has a head start getting down the field,

1763
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: so with some teams do now instead of finding more

1764
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: blocking prototype long snappers, they find these quicker guys who

1765
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: can go down the field and be the first down

1766
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 1: there and make a play. And if you watch Julian Ashby,

1767
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: he does a lot of that. Brian Hins from Pats

1768
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: Polpit has some clips of this, including two against Alabama.

1769
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: So this is more the kind of player that I

1770
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: think Jeremy Springer wants is the guy who's going to

1771
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: be an athlete snapped the ball. He's beating the gunners

1772
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: down the field. At Vanderbilt, he's beating the gunners usually

1773
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: like the fastest guy on the team. He's beating those

1774
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: down the field to make plays on the ball. He's

1775
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: a solid tackler. So I think it's it's a stylistic change.

1776
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: They want a guy that can go and be a

1777
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: factor in coverage and not just the guy who's gonna

1778
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: snap and protect. And that's what Ashby's gonna do.

1779
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 2: So when you talk about being the first down the field,

1780
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 2: the fastest way is a straight line, right, So the

1781
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 2: guys on the outside obviously have to come in and

1782
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: they also have to be blocks on the outside. So

1783
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 2: the long snapper is uncovered and he's right up the gut.

1784
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 2: So if you kick the ball right into the middle

1785
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: of the field, which usually you don't want to do,

1786
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: But if you kick it right up the middle, then

1787
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 2: the long snapper and stands the reason would be the

1788
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: first one down there.

1789
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: So the thing about that, and different people will tell

1790
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: you different things on this, but yes, usually don't want

1791
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: to kick it down the middle of the field if

1792
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: you're trying to pin a team, right, if you're punting

1793
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: from around the fifty, you're trying to pin a team.

1794
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: The sideline can be a friend or a foe. It

1795
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: gives you another place where the ball can go out.

1796
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: But it also is like if you kick it too short,

1797
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: you might not get the bounce because it's going to

1798
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: roll out. So get us some more opportunities to down balls,

1799
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: maybe in the middle of the field instead of cough

1800
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: and cornering, which is unfortunately becoming a lost art in

1801
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: the NFL.

1802
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: So this guy's a pretty good athlete for a long stow,

1803
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 2: really good athlete. Yeah, he's eight point five to three

1804
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: RAS score out of ten uh four nine?

1805
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: What's his so the RAS breaks some things down. What's

1806
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: his size grade within that?

1807
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: So he's uh, he's small. He's okay, size six one

1808
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 2: two thirty one, and the two thirty one is below thresh.

1809
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: So he's a elite I think in all the other categories, right.

1810
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 2: Great, great, an elite lead speed great.

1811
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: So he's probably closer to a nine RS when you

1812
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: don't factor in his size.

1813
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: So the big number is the one point five to

1814
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 2: six ten yard split, Yeah, which is moving like that's

1815
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: moving out of the he gets out of the the

1816
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 2: blocks and goes Yeah, that's a really good number. That

1817
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 2: would be a good number for like receivers, right, yeah,

1818
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 2: So that's a really good number. One point five six,

1819
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: that's a individually, that's a perfect ten out of ten score.

1820
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll actually have a decent rating in Maden since

1821
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: they don't recognize long snappers and make them tight ends.

1822
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: They still don't do that.

1823
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: They still don't do that. That's crazy, I know, and

1824
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: doing the college game either. So I finally got to

1825
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: do I've been waiting ten years tweet out all the

1826
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: overall ratings for all the Patriots draft picks, poor Julian

1827
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: ash Everybody I think was eighty five or higher except

1828
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: poor Julian Ashby. I have to do a fifty six

1829
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: with an asterisk because it's still tight ends. They don't

1830
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: recognize them as long.

1831
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 2: A sam Well. Is that just because they don't want

1832
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: to put in the work to actually evaluate the long snappers.

1833
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: Probably, but like you could we just broke it down,

1834
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: like there's things you could put in to make it

1835
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: a thing that's true.

1836
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 2: All right?

1837
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: They three ninety overall guys from NCA.

1838
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: By the way, it was a good draft.

1839
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1840
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: Last one mister irrelevant himself, Kobe Minor, Yeah, from Memphis.

1841
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 2: Kind of cool, mister irrelevant thing. Yeah, fun, Kobe Minor

1842
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 2: from Memphis. I think the the thing that stands out

1843
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 2: to me about this pick, oh, you know, besides him

1844
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: being mister irrelevant, which is notable, right, is uh, we've

1845
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about slock Corn and maybe you know,

1846
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: what's Marcus Jones's role in this defense is what's his fit?

1847
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 2: What's his future with the Patriots? They could probably use

1848
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of depth in the slot. I mentioned

1849
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: earlier that I was trying to put together my depth

1850
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 2: chart the other day on Monday, and I didn't really

1851
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 2: feel great about who to put behind Marcus Jones in

1852
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: the slot. It's probably Isaiah Bolden is the guy I

1853
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: feel the best about is like a bigger slot corner.

1854
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 2: He's practiced a little bit some in the slot with

1855
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots the last couple of years. Kobe Minor doesn't

1856
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 2: have great top end speed, but he's got coverage ability.

1857
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 2: He's got zone coverage ability. He can handle those responsibilities,

1858
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: and I think that a lot of people project him

1859
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: to play be better off inside because of the lack

1860
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: of long speed. So I do wonder if they're going

1861
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: to have him come in and compete as a slot corner.

1862
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that certainly seems like yet also a guy that's

1863
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: a good athlete. I think in somebody that they probably

1864
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: have ear marked for a special team's role primarily, but yeah,

1865
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 1: they need did slot corner depth. He's going to compete.

1866
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: Jordan Paul, a guy, undrafted guy from Texas State, has

1867
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: been listed a lot of places of safety, yeah, but

1868
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: primarily played slot corner for the Bobcats last year. There's

1869
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting competition there.

1870
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 2: You see a lot of you know, scrappy physical I'm

1871
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: not afraid to stick his hat in in the run game,

1872
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 2: and when you hear those types of things, you know

1873
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: nowadays Nicole leven personnel. You know, new strong sidelinebacker. Like

1874
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: you think about the slot and guys like that playing

1875
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 2: a spot a slot, especially if they don't have the

1876
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: top end speed to hang as outside corners. You can

1877
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: move him back inside and maybe get something out of

1878
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: him a flyer. You know, we'll see what happens with him. Obviously,

1879
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: last pick in the draft. You're not expecting a ton

1880
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 2: So that's the draft class. That was good. Look at

1881
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 2: that Look at that pace.

1882
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

1883
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: That was one of our best ever. Like normally this

1884
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 2: show takes we saw the UDF phase, but that was

1885
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 2: a good pace. I'm proud of us. I really am

1886
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: so about those u DFAs. Yeah, so the Patriots have

1887
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 2: signed an unbelievable quite a few ud fas. Uh, what

1888
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,839
Speaker 2: are we up to now? Like like almost seventeen seventeen,

1889
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, right, we're getting to a high

1890
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 2: number here. So I have a couple that I'm higher on.

1891
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 2: I know you have a couple as well. I think

1892
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: the ones that are the most notable, uh to me

1893
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: are Efton Chishom's got to be on the list. Land

1894
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 2: Larrison's got to be on the list. I think those

1895
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 2: two guys are on everybody's list. Jack Connonlly from Boston

1896
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 2: College I find interesting. And then of course the full

1897
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 2: back Brock Lamb also c J Deprie. Oh, I can't

1898
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: I'm probably the highest on CV and I just forgot

1899
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: ce Ja Prie. So I would say those five are

1900
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 2: probably the guys that I look at. Oh and uh

1901
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder.

1902
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so six, we'll throw the one in on defense.

1903
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: It's mostly an offensive class.

1904
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,759
Speaker 2: So those six guys I look at and say probably

1905
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 2: have the best chance to push for roster spots. Who

1906
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: is your favorite? You know, we have a couple of minutes,

1907
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: so you can, we can go on all six, But

1908
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: who is your favorite?

1909
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: My personal favorite is probably Larison. I think the guy

1910
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: like this feels like a lazy take. Evan, I don't know.

1911
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: You tell me. Brock Lampi's the most likely to make

1912
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: the team because he's on the top of the depth chart,

1913
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: so like he's gonna make it because they need a

1914
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: full back and he's a fullback. Beyond him, Larison's super

1915
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: fun reminds me a ton of Brandon Bolden. I think

1916
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: he's a physical ballcarrier. He can run between the tackles,

1917
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: he can catch the football. I think he's gonna be

1918
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: a stud on special teams. I think he ends up

1919
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: making the team. There could be like three or four

1920
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 1: of these guys who make the team. CJ. Dupree. We

1921
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: talked about this guy a lot during the pre draft process.

1922
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Turned out they got him as a UDFA primarily blocking

1923
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: tight end, but has some receiving upside you can tap into.

1924
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Really was like the late Day three Mitchell Evans who

1925
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: we liked but then obviously end up going undrafted. I

1926
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: think to a lot of people's surprise. So I think

1927
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: he has a good chance. Chisholm, I mean just cut

1928
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: and dry, Josh McDaniel, slicker receiver. I don't know how

1929
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: much more we need to say there and then I

1930
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: also like Connolly can play four spots. We'll give you

1931
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: some depth. We talked about the importance there. Wilfrid Pinay

1932
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: will be an interesting one. I also like, I kind

1933
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 1: of just mentioned him. Is Jordan Polk from Texas State.

1934
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: A ton of slot experience, some of it's at the

1935
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 1: FCS level, but has a ton of slot experience. Plays physically.

1936
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: I think he forces three or four fumbles last year.

1937
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: So they need a backup slot corner, and I think

1938
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be right there in the mix of the competition.

1939
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Can play some safety as well, and should be a

1940
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: good player on special teams. So there's a little g

1941
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 1: Scott too, Like if they want a more of receiving

1942
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: tight end, I think he's certainly got'd like to keep

1943
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and developed for a year. There's

1944
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that you look at. So I'll

1945
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: have my list out tomorrow on ninety eight five the

1946
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Sports of dot Com. Of like udfa's with the most

1947
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: realistic path to the roster. I had ten guys that

1948
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I can see like having a realistic path to making

1949
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: the team. It doesn't mean they all will. They won't.

1950
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have ten udfas, But like, there's ten

1951
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: guys that I would not be surprised if they made

1952
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: the team.

1953
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 2: So I'll go in order of guys that basically I

1954
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 2: thought were drafted to not you know, guys that are

1955
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: lower on my list. But suj Dupre, I'm shocked he

1956
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 2: didn't get drafted. And yeah, this happens deep tight end class.

1957
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 2: Someone's gonna fall through the CACS crack. Someone's not going

1958
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 2: to get drafted. That's just the way it works in

1959
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 2: deep classes. Duprie was one of those guys. For my money,

1960
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 2: I thought dupri was one of the best inline blockers

1961
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: on day three in the class. Put him right up

1962
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 2: there with you know, Jackson Hawes and Latchie from Iowa

1963
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 2: and like those guys. I thought he blocked really really well.

1964
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 2: I know there's some questions about finish and sort of

1965
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: power to sustain and things like that. I didn't see

1966
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 2: that in a couple of games of his that I watched,

1967
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: I thought that he finished really well. I put a

1968
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 2: clip up on Twitter of him just kind of throwing

1969
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,959
Speaker 2: a guy out of the club, you know, on the sideline.

1970
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 2: I put another one up of him comboing up on

1971
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 2: an inline block of and him just burying the dude

1972
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: into the ground and flexing on him, Like this is

1973
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the guy that can really block. If you're gonna make

1974
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: the team as a third tight end, blocking and special

1975
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 2: teams is your path, right, Like, that's the way to

1976
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 2: do it. And I think du pre can do both

1977
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: of those things. You know, play on the wing on

1978
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 2: special teams, on the protection units and things like that,

1979
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 2: and then also block in line on as a third

1980
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 2: tight end. He has a little bit of juice, like

1981
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 2: he's a four to six ish guy. In the forty

1982
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: yard dash, it wasn't a terrible time, above average speed

1983
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 2: at straight line speed. He was an afterthought in Alabama's

1984
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 2: passing game, as you would expect with all the six nine,

1985
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: all the talent they have at that school. But he

1986
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: you know, they would dump them off, you know, tight

1987
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 2: end screens, little you know, slipouts into the flats, things

1988
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 2: like that, and let him run with the ball. And

1989
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 2: he was pretty good with the ball in his hands.

1990
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 2: And he's got a little bit of straight line speed

1991
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:50,919
Speaker 2: to get down the field. So you split was, yeah,

1992
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 2: they'll have races. I thought that Dupre was going to

1993
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 2: get drafted because of his blocking.

1994
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, And he's.

1995
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 2: A really good blocker. Efton Chisholm. I just it makes

1996
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 2: me feel whole again that we're doing eft and Chisholm,

1997
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: because this is the Riley McCarron's of Austin cars. This

1998
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 2: is the Brax and Barrioses of Gunner O Chefsky's. Yeah,

1999
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: this is uh, give me another one.

2000
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you're out of him unless you want to

2001
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:18,759
Speaker 1: go to Julian Edelman.

2002
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to go to Julian Edelman, but.

2003
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Austin Carr, Braxton Barrios, Riley McCarran, Gunner, Gunner, Well, I

2004
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: don't think Gunner was more like Gunner was a converted corner.

2005
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gunner was a little different. But there's more back

2006
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: in the day. Like I was mentioning Riley McCarron and

2007
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 2: Austin Carr and Paul yesterday on PU laughed and said,

2008
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 2: I was thinking of different guys because there's so many guys.

2009
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: But anyways, uh, not true slot, not like the Truton

2010
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: Chisholm is your classic quick, not fast Patriots slot receiver.

2011
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 2: He ran a four to seven. He has got no juice, right, like,

2012
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 2: no straight line juice down the field, and it's not

2013
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: a lot after the catch. I will give him this

2014
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 2: after the catch though. He is really good at making

2015
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 2: the first guy miss in a phone booth. Then he

2016
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 2: gets caught from behind every single time. But like he'll

2017
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 2: give you those extra like two or three yards by

2018
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 2: just eluding that first hill.

2019
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: Also like, and I mean this is at the FCS level,

2020
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 1: but he'll drag guys like he doesn't just go down. Yeah,

2021
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: he's he wants the contacts there because he gets caught,

2022
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: but like he'll he'll make him work to bring him down.

2023
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 2: Really where he shines those his route running and he's

2024
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 2: a jitterbug like he's got he's an absolute jitterbug quickness.

2025
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 2: He's got that ability to separate at the top of

2026
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,719
Speaker 2: the routes. If he's gonna there's gonna be a preseason game.

2027
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now where they're gonna run

2028
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: hass and he's gonna be number three and he's gonna

2029
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 2: run the juke and he's gonna win over the middle

2030
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 2: on a linebacker and we're all gonna just be like

2031
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 2: there he is there, it is right, Like it's gonna

2032
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 2: be like pop the corks right like that. That's chisholm uh.

2033
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 2: He's he was fun. I liked watching watching him at

2034
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Eastern Washington. I posted this on Twitter, like red on

2035
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 2: red red jerseys on a red field, Like come on

2036
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 2: Eastern Washington, Like, no, that's the red field, okay, but

2037
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: you can't wear red jerseys on a redkin.

2038
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the thing with Boise State where

2039
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: the guy lies down on the on the kick that

2040
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 1: should be it's a whole field advantage.

2041
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 2: If this organization did that, I.

2042
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 1: Don't want to see colored fields in the NFL.

2043
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 2: This organization did that back in the day, there would

2044
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 2: be a Supreme Court hearing.

2045
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Of the pack the Jets can do it. There's not

2046
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: smart enough to actually, I think a guy in the

2047
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: NFL did do that. Lie down in an enzign.

2048
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 2: I know he did. He did, Yeah, he did. So

2049
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 2: that's Efton Chishlm. Classic Josh McDaniel slot receiver, the red field.

2050
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 2: It's so classic Josh McDaniel slot that you just know

2051
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 2: that McDaniels was somewhere in this building when they do

2052
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 2: UDF a is or flying and he was like, can

2053
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: you just give me Chisholm Like.

2054
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: And you just just you said he started asking for

2055
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: that for the UDFA. He's probably one f seven. They

2056
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: probably to rip the phone away.

2057
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was probably like, I'm telling you, this Eastern

2058
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 2: Washington kid is exactly what I need. Just give me

2059
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 2: this kid.

2060
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: When does he release the first workout video with Edelman?

2061
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 1: You know Edelman is going to start going and working

2062
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: out with him.

2063
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm excited about him. I'm not gonna lie. He's going

2064
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 2: to be a training camp guy we all know that,

2065
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: Land Larison. I can see it with him a little

2066
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 2: bit too. Again, another guy that just fits that mold

2067
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. Really good quickness, like he can really

2068
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: elude and jump out of cuts. I wouldn't say he's

2069
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 2: the fastest either in a straight line, like he's not

2070
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: going to run through defenses or take out pursued angles

2071
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 2: like Trevon Henderson, but he's going to be able to

2072
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 2: jump cut out of tackles. He's gonna be able to

2073
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 2: catch the ball a little bit out of the battlefield,

2074
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 2: you said, Brandon Bolden. He told me I was lazy

2075
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 2: by comping him to Rex Burkhead. I'm gonna do it anyways, right,

2076
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 2: I think.

2077
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: He gets bigger than I forgot. I looked at that.

2078
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: I said, Larius is like a big guy.

2079
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize that. Yesterday on PU I I

2080
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 2: screwed up and I called him Danny Woodhead. He's much

2081
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 2: bigger than Danny wood He's like six foot two fifteen. Yeah,

2082
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 2: Rex Burkhead, Rex Perkin. Yeah, there's a there's comps of

2083
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 2: there's a comps. There's clips of him like running angle

2084
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 2: routes and stuff like that. Out of the backfield and

2085
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 2: paying some separation on linebackers. He's he's Rex burt Head.

2086
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 2: You mentioned Conley, Jack Conley from Boston College. You knew

2087
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: they were going to get one BC guy in here.

2088
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 2: Jack Conley's the guy. What I like about Jack Conley

2089
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 2: And I talked to to the guys at New England

2090
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 2: Football Journal, you know, Kevin and yeah, Den, I was

2091
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 2: trying to I wasn't gonna be able to pronounce his

2092
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 2: last name, sorry. John. John's a big offensive line guy,

2093
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 2: coaches offensive line, so he knows what he's talking about.

2094
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 2: And we were at PC's pro day and he was like,

2095
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 2: I think Conley, you know, is a is an interesting

2096
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: like seventh round UDF A flyer. He is on it.

2097
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 2: And the big reason why John told me that is

2098
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 2: because of his versatility. Like if you if you're going

2099
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 2: to back up in the NFL, you better be able

2100
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 2: to back up multiple spots, right, Like you have to

2101
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: be a four position backup like Conley. Conley played every

2102
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 2: position at Boston College beside center. Yeah, he played in

2103
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 2: a college game at He also played a little bit

2104
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: of muscle tight end, like jumbo tight end, you know,

2105
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 2: tackle eligible type of stuff. As the sixth offensive lineman.

2106
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:20,799
Speaker 2: So this is a guy that projects as a backup,

2107
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: that can back up multiple positions. I think he's got

2108
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 2: good power, good play strength to him. You know, he's

2109
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 2: got a rock solid kind of anchor and thud into

2110
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 2: contact and all that kind of stuff. He's got to

2111
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 2: work on. He's a wastebender and he like leans over

2112
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 2: his skis and gets off balance. I have to work

2113
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 2: on that, but I think he can be a backup

2114
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 2: in the league. So to prea chisholm uh Lampy With Lampy,

2115
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 2: it's more of a of an offense stylistic thing, right,

2116
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Like that's all it is. If they're gonna go with

2117
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 2: the full back, you know, that's the type of thing

2118
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 2: that they're going to Uh, they're gonna want, you know,

2119
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 2: in Lampy. You know I turned on his tape against

2120
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:05,719
Speaker 2: Notre Dame last year at Northern Iowa and they ran

2121
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 2: lead iso right full back right through the the A

2122
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 2: gap or the B gap up on the linebacker you know,

2123
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,959
Speaker 2: thwack right behind him, right. You know that play. Everybody

2124
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Speaker 2: knows it. If you play pee wee football, it's like

2125
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 2: a day one install from like the fifth grade on

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01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 2: right is lead ISO. Then right after a couple of

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01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 2: plays later they play actioned off of it and I

2128
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 2: was like, I was pants off. I was like, hell yeah,

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01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 2: full back's back, baby. He did do a little bit

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01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 2: of things on the wing like you do, some wing

2131
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 2: blocking and some inline blocking as well. So there's some

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01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 2: of that versatility or like H back versatility to him

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01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 2: as well. But if they want that traditional full back,

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Speaker 2: that's just him. The one thing I would say about

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Speaker 2: him as a receiver, I thought his ball skills were decent.

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Speaker 2: Like he made a low catch against Notre Dame where

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01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 2: he got yeah, where he went to the ground and

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Speaker 2: made a catch. I thought that he Know he's not

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01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 2: a dynamic receiver. It's not Kyle used check right, You're

2140
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 2: not going to get that level out of him. But

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Speaker 2: I do think he can catch the ball. You know,

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Speaker 2: if he elits into the flat and he's you know,

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01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: the fifth read on the backside, and there's just nobody

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Speaker 2: covering him over here, like they'll he'll be able to

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01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 2: be serviceable. He'll catch the ball, he'll get upfield, he'll

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Speaker 2: get the yards he can get.

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Speaker 1: He's not a true h back, but he is somebody

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Speaker 1: who can trust with ball in his hands in the

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Speaker 1: right situation. So I think it's that perfect mold between

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Speaker 1: what McDaniels wants, which is a guy that can just

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01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: get into the A gap and meet a linebacker, but

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01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 1: not somebody like he's all somebody the defense is going

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01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: to have to account for.

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Speaker 2: Last one I wanted to bring up was Elijah Ponder

2155
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 2: from cal Poly. I thought that Elijah Ponder had draftable talent,

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01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 2: draftable trade, certainly a really good tester. Again, hammer in

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01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 2: the testing here, nine point seven rass Orris really elite

2158
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 2: in all categories, you know, elite speed, elite explosiveness, elite agility.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy that ran a six point nine

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Speaker 2: to nine second three cone at six two two fifty.

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Speaker 2: That's really good. Yeah, sub seven three cone at that

2162
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: size is really impressive. Defensive end prospect handing the dirt

2163
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 2: four to three end, good power, good explosiveness off the line,

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01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:12,600
Speaker 2: can really gain ground early in his pass rush. I

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Speaker 2: think that there obviously is going to be some level

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Speaker 2: of competition, question marks and jumping competition and technique stuff,

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01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 2: But a guy that can really rush the passer and

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Speaker 2: really has some speed to power and some athleticism to

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Speaker 2: his game so I think he's got a chance just

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Speaker 2: on raw tools to potentially make the roster. So if

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Speaker 2: I had to guess, besides Lampy, like you said, that's

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Speaker 2: its own thing. Besides Lampy, if I had to guess,

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Speaker 2: I would say Dupree's probably got the best chance to

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Speaker 2: make the team as a third tight end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Larison and Chisholm are right there too. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the big that's the and Conley that's like

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Speaker 1: the group you're looking at, and then some other guys

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Speaker 1: more just for depth.

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Speaker 2: If I had to put a guess on it, I

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Speaker 2: would say Dupre third tight end, blocking tight end behind

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01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper. You can he beat out

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01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:01,799
Speaker 2: Jahem Bell as more of a tradition inline blocker, whereas

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01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 2: Jackeen Bell is kind of this you know flex h

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Speaker 2: back moved right.

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Speaker 1: But I guess it becomes tough. Are you gonna So

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Speaker 1: it comes down to me like, if they're going to

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01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: carry a move tight end and h back, you probably

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Speaker 1: aren't going to keep Lampy. Yeah, So it's Dupre or

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Speaker 1: Lampy depending on if Bell fills the full back rolling right.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of a trickle down effect of like

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01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 2: Belle Lampy dupre those three guys. Do they want the

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01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 2: traditional full back? Do they want an extra inline blocker? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Those would be the conversations that we're gonna have all

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Speaker 2: summer long, all summer long about this team in this

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01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 2: fifty three man roster. Really exciting group all around. And

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Speaker 2: we have one more special treat for you, so don't

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Speaker 2: sign off just yet. Dame Broker from the Athletic is

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Speaker 2: up next. He's gonna break down. What's that? Oh? I

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Speaker 2: need to do the read. I need to do the

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Speaker 2: read first before we throw it to day. Support the

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Speaker 2: home team. Join New England's events staff here at led Stadium.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, here's Dan Brugler. We are joined now

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Speaker 2: by Dame Bruger of the Athletic, the Beast himself. Dane,

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01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us, and you're we got

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Speaker 2: a lot of fans of you here right now because

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01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 2: you ranked the Patriots as the number one draft class

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, so we had to have you y'all

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Speaker 2: to talk about that, but thanks so much for doing this.

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Speaker 3: No, Hey, pleasures online.

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Speaker 5: It was a fun draft season, fun three days. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm really lated what the Patriots did. So excited to

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01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 5: talk about that class with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start with that right off the top. So

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Speaker 2: you published a ranking of all thirty two teams draft

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01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 2: classes and you had those New England Patriots up there

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Speaker 2: at number one. Why did you think the Patriots had

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01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 2: the best draft in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: First of all, they just drafted a lot of the

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Speaker 5: players that I had ranked in my top one hundred.

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Speaker 5: I think six we're in my top one hundred. And

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Speaker 5: I think they just matched up really well with the

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01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 5: needs and what's going to make this team better, you know,

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Speaker 5: And like what I do, because I don't do draft grades,

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Speaker 5: I just do it one through thirty two.

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Speaker 3: Here are my favorite draft classes.

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Speaker 5: And really it just comes down to who do I

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01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 5: think made the biggest jump based off of what they.

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Speaker 3: Did on draft weekend?

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Speaker 5: And I think you look at the Patriots. You get

2232
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 5: your love tackle with Will Campbell, you come back, you

2233
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 5: get a couple of playmakers in on Day two with

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01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 5: Travon Henderson Kyle Williams, and then to get Jared Well

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01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 5: trade back and then get Jared Wilson. I just tremendous

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Speaker 5: value in my opinion. Wilson, He's going to be a

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Speaker 5: starter in this league for a long time. I compared

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Speaker 5: to him a Rodney Hudson, you know, a guy that

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01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 5: maybe won't make a Pro Bowl, but he's going to

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Speaker 5: be a solid starter for a lot of years. And

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Speaker 5: that's he's going to bring competition from day one. And

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Speaker 5: so that's what if you're the Patriots, that's exactly what

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01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 5: you want. You want to an offensive line that is

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01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 5: really get the five best out there based off of competition.

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01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 5: And so I think they did a really nice job

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Speaker 5: first two three rounds and then into Day three just

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01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 5: adding really good football players and at positions where they're

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01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 5: going to directly impact this team in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: And Dan kind of along those lines. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you factor this into your grade, just how

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Speaker 1: teams maneuver the board and work the board. But five trades.

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01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: That was a big part of the talking point coming

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Speaker 1: out of the draft. It was I believe Elliott Wolf

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Speaker 1: after the draft talked about they wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: they were picking in spots where the players lined up

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Speaker 1: for them. Did you factor that into your evaluation, if not,

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01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: just your thoughts on how they were able to manipulate

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01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: the board to get the class that they wanted to get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's certainly part of it.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, to trade back and get Wilson the

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01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 5: way they did was awesome. It's it's always tough because

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01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 5: if you like a player.

2263
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 3: Enough, just take them.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, if they are teams calling

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01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 5: about possibly moving up, then you know, it's it's a

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01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 5: conversation about, hey, well we can pick up an extra

2267
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,759
Speaker 5: fourth or an extra fifth and move back ten twelve

2268
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 5: spots and we still feel like we'll get the same guy.

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01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 5: Now there's risk involved obviously that the player will still

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Speaker 5: be there.

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Speaker 3: But I think the Patriots and what.

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Speaker 5: They did over the weekend was a good example of

2273
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 5: it working out to their advantage and letting the board

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01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 5: fall to them, not forcing things, not being you know,

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Speaker 5: like was it member last year in the second round

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01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 5: when you know they traded back, you know, wait from

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01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 5: lad McConkey, and they know all the you know, noise

2278
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 5: about that decision. Well, that didn't carry over to this

2279
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 5: year where they were scared to move back if they

2280
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 5: felt like that was the right move. And you know

2281
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 5: that that's something to be said about just not manipulating

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01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 5: the board, but not drafting scared. You know, you are

2283
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:54,600
Speaker 5: going to trust your grades, trust all the work that

2284
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 5: your scouts did, and you know the rest of your

2285
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 5: front office, your coaches, and build the team with players

2286
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 5: that you had high on your board. And they were

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01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 5: able to do that, and I think they were the

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01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 5: value because the draft's all about value. The value they

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01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,919
Speaker 5: got at every level the draft was really impressive.

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Speaker 2: So, Daniel, you listed out your favorite pick of the

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01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 2: draft for each team and then your favorite kind of

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01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:18,600
Speaker 2: Day three sleeper pick, and your favorite pick of the

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01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 2: draft for the Pats was Kyle Williams, who I think

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01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 2: we're all pretty excited about here. Not the type of

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01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 2: receiver that they've had here in a while, you know,

2296
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 2: speed separation ability. But what was it about Kyle Williams

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01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 2: that you thought he was the best pick of the

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Speaker 2: draft for them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just summed it up, speed separation. Just going

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Speaker 5: back to the Senior Bowl and watching Kyle in person,

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Speaker 5: the releases off the line, his ability to separate early,

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Speaker 5: mid and late was.

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Speaker 3: Just really impressive.

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Speaker 5: And I go back to North Carolina when Drake May

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01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 5: not the twenty twenty three season, but the twenty twenty

2306
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 5: two season, his top target was Josh Downs, and Downs

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01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 5: was kind of a similar guy where he just got

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01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 5: open consistently, a little bit of a smaller target, just

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Speaker 5: like Kyle Williams, but Downs was able to get open

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01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 5: and May trusted that implicitly, and that was a big

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01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 5: part of that North Carolina offense he was missing that

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Speaker 5: last year. And that's what I think Kyle Williams can

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01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 5: be for Drake May, helping him take that next step

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01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:25,719
Speaker 5: in his development, be a high volume pass catcher, receive

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01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 5: a lot of targets, even as early as his rookie season.

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Speaker 5: So you know, Kyle Williams was an interesting player throughout

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01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 5: the process because he blew He had a great senior year,

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01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 5: blew up the Senior Bowl, and then had a really

2319
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 5: good forty time four to four to zero at the combine,

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01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 5: but then he got hurt the hamstring, so cut the

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01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 5: combine short, couldn't work out of the Pro Day. But

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01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 5: you know, he was a really popular guy with thirty

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01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 5: visits and workouts as teams tried to figure him out,

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Speaker 5: and so for the Patriots to get him in the

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Speaker 5: third really liked the value there.

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Speaker 1: Just along those lines, why do you think, you know,

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01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,640
Speaker 1: you're so dug in this from the beginning, and a

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01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 1: lot of people they start looking maybe around the Senior

2329
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: Bowl and I remember looking at and the consensusport is

2330
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,760
Speaker 1: what it is. It's a tool, it's not everything. But

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01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 1: he was like eight hundredth on the consensus sport going

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01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,640
Speaker 1: into the Senior Bowl, and even coming out of that,

2333
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, was not getting that same kind of attention.

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01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't until two three weeks ago that people really

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01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 1: start talking about this guy. Is it just you know,

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Speaker 1: Pack two conference playing out on the West coast late

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01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: games or why do you think this guy didn't have

2338
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 1: as much external buzz during the process as he clearly

2339
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:27,720
Speaker 1: did with teams going as high as he went.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a big part of it, just people

2341
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 5: not paying attention to Washington State football because of you know,

2342
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,680
Speaker 5: just the conference realignment in Washington State Oregon State kind

2343
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 5: of being left out in the cold. But yeah, I

2344
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 5: mean Williams he started at UNLV three years there, transferred

2345
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 5: to Washington State, had an okay year in twenty twenty three,

2346
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 5: but wasn't really looked at as a draftable player. So

2347
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 5: going back to the summer watching him, it was like, Okay,

2348
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 5: solid player, but looks like a camp body. You know,

2349
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 5: it looks like he has some speed, but you know,

2350
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 5: production is just okay. And then this year as a senior,

2351
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 5: it's like, really things started to click for him, and

2352
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 5: so it was a little bit of a see. I mean,

2353
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 5: I liked him going into the Senior Bowl, but the

2354
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl is really where it was like, Okay, this

2355
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 5: guy's a little bit different. Jalen Nole to me, was

2356
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 5: the best receiver I saw on mobile. Kyle Williams was

2357
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 5: a close second. Those two. Both of them were really

2358
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 5: dynamic the entire week and then you know, just kind

2359
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 5: of getting better and better throughout the process. But it

2360
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 5: was kind of out of sight, out of mind, not

2361
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 5: seeing him during the season for most fans. And then,

2362
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 5: like I said, he got hurt at the combine, so

2363
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 5: we didn't see him go through a lot of those drills,

2364
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 5: position drills, testing drills, and then he didn't have a

2365
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 5: Pro Day, so you know, he was kind of a

2366
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 5: little bit out of sight, out of mind, but yeah,

2367
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 5: he was a team and then for teams too.

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01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 3: Like it was.

2369
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 5: It was not like love at first sight. It was

2370
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 5: something that you know, kind of grew on teams as

2371
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 5: the process played out.

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01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 2: So your your favorite to move down the board here

2373
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 2: a little bit. Your favorite Day three pick was Brandon

2374
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 2: Swinson from LSU, and I think all of us were

2375
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 2: collectively pretty surprised that he made it all the way

2376
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 2: to the fifth round. So to part question here, why

2377
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 2: did you like Swinson? And why do you think he

2378
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 2: fell a little bit in the draft?

2379
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2380
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 5: And really, I mean there were a couple Joshua Farmer

2381
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 5: in the fourth I thought was you know, terrific value.

2382
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 5: I think Craig Woodson will hear from as a rookie.

2383
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 5: So a couple of Day three picks should play a

2384
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 5: factor in the twenty twenty five season for the Patriots.

2385
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 5: You know, Swinston was tough because you know, he had

2386
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 5: he had plenty of love. I think in the media side,

2387
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 5: teams weren't quite as high on Swinson compared to some

2388
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 5: of the media, and I'm part of it. You know,

2389
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 5: he was a good player at LSU, but you know,

2390
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:42,560
Speaker 5: was he going to be a full time player in

2391
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 5: the NFL? Is he more of a sub package guy,

2392
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,040
Speaker 5: you know, six three and a half two hundred and

2393
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 5: fifty five pounds. What hurt him a little bit was

2394
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 5: choosing not to work out at the Pro Day. He'd

2395
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 5: even weigh in, and so I've heard from several teams

2396
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 5: that were just like not happy just that because he

2397
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 5: didn't he did I think the short shuttle in the

2398
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 5: three cone at the combine. Then it goes to the

2399
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 5: Pro day and ops to just do nothing, and that

2400
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 5: rubbed some scouts the wrong way. Now, is that the

2401
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 5: reason he fell? I you know, I don't, I don't,

2402
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think he was viewed as more

2403
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 5: of a fourth round guy for teams, so you know,

2404
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 5: to get him in the fifth, you know, I thought

2405
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 5: it was trific value there. But it's just I go

2406
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 5: back to what this team needed and you look at

2407
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 5: just adding some more pass rush jees. So even if

2408
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 5: you know Swinston's not a full time player, He's going

2409
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 5: to come in and be part of the rotation and

2410
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 5: give you some of that quickness off the edge. He's

2411
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 5: not just a super physical player in the run game,

2412
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 5: but he gives effort, so you know, he he is

2413
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 5: a player that you know has to mature both, you know,

2414
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 5: on the field. Off the field, he his past year,

2415
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 5: he butted heads with coaches a few times. You know,

2416
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 5: he was suspended for the first quarter of the Florida

2417
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 5: game for you know, just not eating the with the

2418
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 5: team expected of him. So there's growing up to do

2419
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 5: with this player. But talent is there for him to

2420
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 5: come in and make an impact getting after the quarterback.

2421
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: Late in the draft, the Patriots make the two special

2422
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:17,879
Speaker 1: teams editions kicker Andres Borgalis and then Ashby the long snapper.

2423
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: Anytime the Patriots take a special teamer, especially after the

2424
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: way went Chad Rownd a couple of years ago, it's like, well,

2425
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 1: did they need to invest draft capital here? What are

2426
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts on those two guys in Are they players

2427
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 1: that you think if the Patriots wanted they had to

2428
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 1: take them where they did?

2429
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Well?

2430
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 5: You know, I think when you were talking, especially with

2431
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 5: Ashby in the seventh round, it's okay, do we really

2432
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 5: want to get into a bidding war to make sure

2433
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 5: we get him a free agency or you know, a

2434
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 5: team like the Patriots that had so many picks, we

2435
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 5: can just use a seventh rounder on him.

2436
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 3: And you know, Ashby is one.

2437
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 5: Of what five guys long snappers that you know were

2438
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 5: part of that combine that they had with the specialists.

2439
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 5: A little undersize and thirty one pounds, but I think

2440
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 5: that you know, you're thinking about adding weight and you

2441
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 5: look at the athlete and just the consistency that he

2442
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 5: brought that those were kind of the athleticism, consistency, those

2443
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 5: are two words that came up when you know, just

2444
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 5: talking about Ashby. And then you know with the kicker,

2445
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 5: you know, bory Gollis was my rate, my top ranked

2446
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 5: kicker this year. Thought he could go anywhere between the

2447
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 5: fifth and seventh rounds.

2448
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 3: So where the Patriots got him?

2449
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's always you know, some some teams look

2450
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 5: at it and say, we'll never draft a kicker. Other

2451
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 5: teams look at it and say, you know, if we

2452
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 5: like the player.

2453
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 3: Enough, we'll go that route.

2454
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 5: And I think with bor Gollis, he did enough during

2455
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,560
Speaker 5: his college career, he did enough during the pro day

2456
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 5: during the workouts that said, hey, I'm a starter at

2457
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 5: the next level. And so you know, I I'm not

2458
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 5: going to push back and say like they made the

2459
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 5: wrong move or anything. Time will play out, but I

2460
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 5: certainly understand why they went that direction, all.

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01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 2: Right, Dan, last one for you. The Patriots have got

2462
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 2: a pretty good history of undrafted rookies making the roster

2463
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 2: making an impact. What are some of the guys that

2464
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 2: stood out to you out of their class there?

2465
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: You know?

2466
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 2: CJ. Duprieze one guy that I had actually watched before

2467
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 2: the draft and thought maybe he'd get drafted at tight end.

2468
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 2: But is there anyone out of that group that you like?

2469
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Chisholm was my top ranked non combine

2470
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 5: receiver this year.

2471
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:26,840
Speaker 3: Him running in.

2472
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 5: The four sevens at the Pro Day really kind of

2473
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 5: probably eliminated any chances of getting drafted. But he's not

2474
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 5: a long speed guy. He is a short area quickness

2475
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 5: type of player. He I mean, the production he put

2476
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 5: up at Eastern Washington was outstanding, and then he goes

2477
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 5: to the East West Shrine game and was fantastic. That

2478
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 5: short area quickness out of the slot helps him get open,

2479
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 5: give his quarterback a target. And so I'm eager to

2480
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 5: see what he can do in training camp and see

2481
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 5: if he can possibly earn a role with you on CG.

2482
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,960
Speaker 3: Dupree He to me he was.

2483
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 5: The better of the two Alabama tight ends oots actually

2484
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 5: got drafted by the Seahawks in the fifth round. I

2485
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 5: believe Dupre I thought was the better of the two.

2486
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 5: He's the better pass catcher.

2487
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 3: You know.

2488
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 5: He's a really well built kid, six y five, two

2489
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty six pounds.

2490
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 3: He was one of the best.

2491
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,080
Speaker 5: His dad's really big into weightlifting, and so so was

2492
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 5: he and so he I think it was like thirty

2493
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 5: two reps on the bench that really stood out. He

2494
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:32,840
Speaker 5: wasn't a high volume target in that Alabama offense. He

2495
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 5: only had twenty one catches this past year, but I

2496
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 5: think you have a good size, speed athlete. When he

2497
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,600
Speaker 5: was targeted, he caught the ball, and I think he

2498
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:43,720
Speaker 5: was good enough as a blocker that you thought, all right,

2499
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 5: if I want a true wide tight end, prototypical hand

2500
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 5: in the ground, inline guy, this guy could potentially be that.

2501
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 5: So a little surprised he didn't get drafted, because I

2502
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 5: think he has the what a lot of teams are

2503
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 5: looking for as a blocker and receiver to earn a

2504
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 5: roster spot.

2505
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I was surprised too. So that's why we

2506
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:06,839
Speaker 2: had you on Dan, because we went a whole interview

2507
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 2: did not mention Will Campbell's name once because we wanted

2508
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 2: to talk to you about the deep the deep cuts,

2509
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 2: as we do on this show. You had all two

2510
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six guys in the Beast again this year,

2511
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 2: right fifty seven, Yeah, to fifty seven. I short turned

2512
01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 2: to you one guy there, but it must.

2513
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 5: Have gotten It was close there that final pick by

2514
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 5: the Patriots. I was, you know, you never know, it

2515
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 5: could be someone that I overlooked, but it was my

2516
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty seventh corner with Kobe Minors, so

2517
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:39,120
Speaker 5: it wasn't someone that I had ranked highly. But you know,

2518
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 5: I hope he ends up making the roster and has

2519
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:41,839
Speaker 5: a good career.

2520
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 3: But I'm just happy you was in the Beast.

2521
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2522
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you can read Dan at the Athletic of course,

2523
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:50,120
Speaker 2: and the Beast. The Athletic subscription is worth it just

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01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 2: for the Beast alone every single year, So make sure

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01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 2: to give Dan a follow and give him a subscription

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Speaker 2: as well. That's going to do it for today's episode

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Speaker 2: of Patriots Catch twenty two, and I will be back

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Speaker 2: next week. Very special thank you to our very special

2529
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Speaker 2: guest Dame Brugler, and we'll see you guys next week.

2530
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Speaker 2: Thanks for watching.

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