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Speaker 1: and mostly everything else. And no, they did not pull

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Speaker 1: the plug after our first episode. So we're back, and

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Speaker 1: today joining us is Matt Shob. Matt, thanks for joining us, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Hopefully after this episode the plug

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Speaker 1: It's good, it's catchy. I think it could get some

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Speaker 1: But sixteen years right now, Yes, you've been called a

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Speaker 1: lot of things. Hum so, So I don't know if

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Speaker 1: from the beginning. Westchester, PA. Yes, uh, that's what an

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Speaker 1: doing my homework on Youah. Yeah, I moved around a

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