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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of iHeartRadio, and.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another edition a feminist Movie Friday. And

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Speaker 2: I think it is actually going to be released on

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Speaker 2: Friday this time because I'm actually doing work this time.

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Speaker 3: Annie, aren't you proud?

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Speaker 1: I am very happy?

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Speaker 2: But yes, so if you're listening as it's released, it'll

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Speaker 2: be a Friday. If you waited to listen to on

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Speaker 2: a Friday, Happy Friday. If not, it's just a feminist

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Speaker 2: movie day.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome any day, any day.

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Speaker 3: It's a feminist movie day, as it should be.

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Speaker 2: But we're back, and this time we're back with an

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Speaker 2: oldie but a goodie.

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Speaker 3: Uh. And it is.

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Speaker 2: Something that we were talking about previously because it was

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Speaker 2: one of those Annie, you've never watched this what conversations

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Speaker 2: And we were talking about Friday Green Tomatoes or also

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Speaker 2: called fried green Tomatoes at the whistle Stop Cafe. So

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Speaker 2: other places are they do the full title And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and add some warnings to this one.

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Speaker 2: This was released in nineteen ninety one and is based

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Speaker 2: in Alabama slash Georgia in the nineteen thirties, so has

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Speaker 2: a lot of offensive, outdated content. Outdated as in like

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Speaker 2: it's not acceptable today, but was portrayed as it would

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Speaker 2: have been in the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 3: So there's that.

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Speaker 2: It depicts racism, white supremacy, murder, death, cannibalism, and abuse,

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot. This is definitely one of those

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Speaker 2: movies that like kind of borders on being Southern Gothic.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely Southern Tales, I guess, and it's reminiscent to

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Speaker 2: me of someone like Carson McCullers would have written. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I read a fact that the Harper Lee fra who

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Speaker 2: wrote To Kill Mocking Bart loved, loved, loved this book

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Speaker 2: and really felt it was a great book. So I

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Speaker 2: was like, Oh, if I was the author Fanny Flag,

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Speaker 2: I would have taken that quote and framed it if

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Speaker 2: harperly said that I wrote an amazing book.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: So about the movie.

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Speaker 2: This was based on the nineteen eighty seven book by

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Speaker 2: Fanny Flagg titled Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe,

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Speaker 2: and she and Carol Sibiski wrote the screenplay for this movie.

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Speaker 2: The movie was directed by John Avnett, who read the

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Speaker 2: book in nineteen eighty seven, took it to producers, was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this needs to be a movie, and it was nominated

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Speaker 2: for a couple of Academy Awards. It did not win,

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Speaker 2: but it did win a glad Award, which is interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because we're gonna talk about this, people already know. I know,

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Speaker 2: y'all already know. For those of you who have seen

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Speaker 2: Fried Green Tomatoes who like or love this movie or book,

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Speaker 2: you already know why. But there's a lot of debate

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Speaker 2: and we're going to jump into it. But first let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the movie. So the characters include Kathy Bates

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Speaker 2: as Evelyn Couch, Jessica Handy Rip she was a Real

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Speaker 2: one for Real as Ninny thread Good, Mary Louise Parker

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Speaker 2: as Ruth Jamison, Mary Masterson as Itchy thread Good or

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Speaker 2: as Big George my childhood love, Chris o'donald as the

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Speaker 2: short lived character of a Buddy thread Good. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: mentioned him because I love him. I loved him from

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Speaker 2: a circle of friends. Have you ever seen this movie? Annie?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, but I'm so curious. I had a brief

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Speaker 1: crush on him too. This is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Love love love, so a circle of friends. I know

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Speaker 2: we're not talking about. It is based on a book

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Speaker 2: by Irish author May Benchi who I loved the book

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Speaker 2: and I loved this movie. Minnie Driver became my favorite.

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Speaker 2: They were that might be another movie. We have to visit,

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Speaker 2: Annie because I loved it so much.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: It is based in Ireland in nineteen fifties, essay, I think,

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Speaker 2: But that's why I first saw Chris O'donnald was like, yes, please.

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Speaker 1: That's much less embarrassing mine, which is Batman and Robin Forever.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to ignore those days.

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Speaker 1: And I had a crush on it. It's very, very embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: but I'll share it.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I mean, that's an iconic movie because you had

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Speaker 3: The one and only time that was featured.

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Speaker 1: The puns, the puns. I even knew. I loved puns

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Speaker 2: This was the George Clooney version, right, I just remember Robin.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, okay, oh the puns.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about. It was so good and bad at

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so there you go. We're now just talking

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Speaker 2: about Chris O'Donnell. I loved him. I loved him.

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Speaker 1: This was him, So this is great.

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Speaker 3: Did you did you not realize that was him?

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Speaker 1: I watched it, Yeah, so a lot of I just

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Speaker 1: and that's true that I was like, I know I've

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Speaker 1: seen you before, yeah, but I don't know where.

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Speaker 2: So my partner watched it with me, and when when

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Speaker 2: Mary Louise Parker came on, he's like, that's the woman

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Speaker 2: from wis, Like, yeah, this is one of her, not

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Speaker 2: Mary Stuart Masterson were like the teen stars of the nineties.

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Speaker 2: talking and it makes me sad anyway, and I'm reminiscing

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Speaker 2: it's fine, but yes, So there's some of the characters.

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Speaker 2: We're not mentioning all of them, but those are the

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Speaker 2: that this love of trainings are like, whyhould they love

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Speaker 3: It does not seem to be like.

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Speaker 1: Go near her train.

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Speaker 3: Inevitably someone's gonn get rid of number. But yeah, so

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Speaker 3: let's jump into the flat.

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Speaker 2: We were introduced to Evelyn, who's going with her husband

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Speaker 2: based out of Juliette Georgia. I don't know where that

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Speaker 2: she meets Ninny Threadgood, who starts just telling her all

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Speaker 2: these amazing stories. It's really fun to be because you

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Speaker 2: actually I have, And a beautiful friendship begins as Nini

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Speaker 2: starts her tales of Igy and Ruth. So let's talk

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Speaker 2: about Igy and Ruth, because we have a flash back

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Speaker 2: and forth throughout this movie.

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Speaker 3: So it begins with, yes, the death of Buddy, who

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Speaker 2: It sounds like, to be honest, we see him coming

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Speaker 2: They introduce Iggy as a as a child, and she

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Speaker 2: is obvious a tomboy character with scrapes on her knees.

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Speaker 2: Her younger brother teases her, making her attack him, runs

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Speaker 2: cling to each other. He is a handsome man again,

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Speaker 3: But there's only one love and.

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Speaker 2: It's Ruth who we see together. And we can tell

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Speaker 2: that Agy loves Ruth too, So this is the perfect threesomes.

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Speaker 2: They're going as they're enjoying their day, and I've I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking several things about this. As they're enjoying their day.

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Speaker 2: Her hat, Ruth's hat flies off and he goes to

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Speaker 2: as he's trying to jump away, Oh, he dies once again.

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Speaker 1: Yep, his shoe gets Okay, okay, can I preface this.

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Speaker 1: I want to say something here. I have never seen

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Speaker 1: this movie. The first like fifteen minutes, this guy gets

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Speaker 2: Well, a Symple article comes out with being a dark comedy,

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Speaker 2: A horror movie, right, think of it as this was

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Speaker 2: at least two years after still Magnolia's and so it

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Speaker 2: heart wrenching moments but funny too. So this is this

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Speaker 2: like the wholesome but not wholesome like cannibalism. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, okay, my stomach course churning.

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Speaker 3: Just kidding out, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be on so many lists, but yeah, so

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Speaker 2: And eventually she grows up and she has more rebellious

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. And so essentially Ruth comes back to

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Speaker 2: try to help her her. The mama comes and calls

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Speaker 2: Ruth to help her out. She's like, I can't do

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Speaker 2: anything about it, but you can. And at this point

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Speaker 2: a beautiful relationship starts and blossoms.

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Speaker 2: I like to emphasize as a kid, when I was

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Speaker 2: thirteen hadn't happened yet. I think it's nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 2: so you tell me. But like it came out and

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Speaker 2: you get the rentals, and I watched it.

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Speaker 3: I did not catch any of the sexual overtones. I'm

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Speaker 2: and Ed, and we see the ending scene with ruth

440
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: gravestone that has a jar of honey and a note

441
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: from the beach armor. Again that inside joke, and then

442
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: then we see Nannie and Evelyn look at each other like, oh,

443
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: she's here, She's still alive. And then there's still insinuation

444
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: that maybe Nannie was it gy again. We're gonna come

445
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: back to this because that's a hot topic debate and

446
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: I have thoughts. So, yeah, that's the movie. I'm sorry

447
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: that I didn't tell you that it was a tragic comedy.

448
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: That's okay, it was. It was a fun ride.

449
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, a good track comedy.

450
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: Good train. We didn't even talk about this. There's a

451
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: scene where you think Ruth's son, Yes, has died by

452
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: train and he did lose an arm. But I'm sitting

453
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: here like this train is gonna go, which it eventually does,

454
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: but it's implied that the train leaves was also part

455
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 1: of why it closed.

456
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 2: Yes, which is actually something that really does happen. I know,

457
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: like when the train stops going through areas to bring

458
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: supplies or like it takes a lot of jobs away.

459
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of supplies away. It happened actually

460
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: in my hometown. I don't know if I ever told

461
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: you that my grandfather had invested in an area and

462
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: bottle land and all these things in Lumber and a

463
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: lumber area because there was train tracks and there were

464
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 2: supposed to be a train that went through and then

465
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: last minute it didn't and so he lost that business

466
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: and everything failed because of that. But there's this train

467
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: track that has never been used that goes through my hometown.

468
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean yeah, that's it was very sad at

469
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: the end when Ninny was, you know, sitting on our

470
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: suitcase and staring at this thing and this whole town

471
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: is completely empty.

472
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

473
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that it's true that does happen. There are

474
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: real towns you can visit like that that are just

475
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: completely abandoned, that were built around certain things that aren't there. Anymore,

476
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: don't run anymore. Yeah.

477
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: So there is a Whistletown Cafe in Kennesau, Georgia, right

478
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: across from one of the most racist places that you

479
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: can go to, ran by a man who is a racist,

480
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 2: and he proudly claims to be because he has all

481
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: his confaberate flags with a no certain people who can

482
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: enter his store. Oh a sign that says it.

483
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. If people know Kennesau, they know what I'm talking about.

484
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: Uh Andy, He's been on the news media times.

485
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, but that exists.

486
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: I know in Macon, I think there's a whistle Stop

487
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: cafe as well, or Valdosta. It may be Valdosta because

488
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: Valdosta has mentioned several times in the in the movie.

489
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: And then the original Alabama place I think has a

490
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: cafe like it that was based on that. This yeah,

491
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: this cafe was based on So there you go. If

492
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: you want to risk going to the South like that, look,

493
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: go for it. I don't know anything about the businesses,

494
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: so I can't that, but it's always.

495
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: In my world.

496
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the themes a little bit. The

497
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: first thing is family, because we start out with Buddy

498
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: and in your chosen family, I think we were talking

499
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: a lot, a little bit more about like friends and

500
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: lovers essentially, But yeah, we see how AGI's connected her family,

501
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 2: her mama. She doesn't get enough shout Outg's mama really

502
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: was there for her, and in the book, her mama

503
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: and her family are very supportive of IG's lifestyle, which

504
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 2: we're going to get into in a minute, which is

505
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: unusual and a lot of people said that it's not believable,

506
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: especially if from the location and timing of when the

507
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: book was based on. But yeah, I felt like that

508
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: was really sweet. The Buddy Junior, the connection between Itgy

509
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: and Buddy junr who she raised after Ruth dies. You know,

510
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: you can see that same connection that Ruth had with

511
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: Igy as she was growing up.

512
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: That changed a little bit, though, I yues mm hmm,

513
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: I think so U.

514
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: And then that whole small town community phil that has

515
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: each other's back, obviously the Reverend coming through saving them

516
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: in the end, even though no one knew the truth.

517
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: Except Sipsy Big George.

518
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: We didn't really talk about Smokey, who was the alcoholic

519
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: who they took care of a lot, and he had

520
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: a crush and was in love with Ruth. Apparently so

521
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: I was trying to defend well he would have he

522
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: was a good guy anyway, but like was defending her.

523
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: Those four of them were the.

524
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: Only ones who knew what happened, and they never even

525
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: told Ruth, and everybody suspected that it was Igy because

526
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: she has a temper.

527
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: And she had threatened to kill him in front of people.

528
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah right. So the framing was also interesting because

529
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: the way, like when you lay it out, oh okay,

530
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: we know who did it, and when you're watching it,

531
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: you don't find that till out till the end, so

532
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh, who could it be? But yeah, there.

533
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a really sweet beat too, between Buddy

534
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: having all of these stories that he would tell, uh,

535
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: he would tell Ruth, and he would tell Iggy, and

536
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: then Igy later telling those two Buddy Junior, and then

537
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: that being Ruth's like last request is please just tell

538
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: me the story. I know it's a lie, but just

539
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: tell me the story.

540
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

541
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: So that was a really I mean painful but like

542
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: a good through line of you know, his influences, his influence,

543
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: and that's what it started with, was like, we can't

544
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: tell her story without talking about how important.

545
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: He was right, and it's very Southern, this whole like

546
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: Southern culture of passing down tall tales essentially, and that

547
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: happens throughout well we're being a good storyteller. That there's

548
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: something to be in a good storyteller in the South.

549
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: I grew up with that, knowing that there are certain

550
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: people you knew would entertain you with whatever story. I

551
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: have so many family members who can do this that

552
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: they want you to repeat that story repeatedly throughout the

553
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: years because it's so funny because of the way you

554
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: talk about it. And then Jessica Tandy's character Nini does that.

555
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: So it's like a whole through line in general about

556
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: the legacy of storytelling and like opening up people's eyes

557
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: and like feeling involved and or changing moods or you know,

558
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: like really influencing individuals. So yeah, for sure, that's a

559
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: huge part of that, and it is a huge part

560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: of like Southern culture. And I'm sure it's bigger than

561
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: that when we look into it, because we know that's

562
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: how legacies are are taught. That's a native like indigenous

563
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: people to do this, the Native first people, they have

564
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: done this in order to keep their their traditions alive,

565
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: so we know that's the thing for for all.

566
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: Specific cultures like that. But the way that this happened

567
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: with the Tall Tales.

568
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: We see that as well as an influence in this movie.

569
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: And then yeah, we'll come to the love friendship because again,

570
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 2: like I said, I was like, uh, yoh oh. So

571
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: obviously we have to talk about Ruth and Igy again.

572
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: In the book they are openly in a relationship. Actually

573
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: they are out together.

574
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: Everybody knew it.

575
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: Again in fact, I g is out as a lesbian

576
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: since she was young. The family and community had supported

577
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: her and was accepting her, even to the point when

578
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Ruth came involved. Uh and and they were I guess

579
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: initially getting together.

580
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: Her father.

581
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: Igi's father was like, do you understand what is the

582
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: responsibility of taking care of a child as if she

583
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: was she was. In the article I read it said

584
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: man to man talk face sexist but like trying to

585
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: like uh. In besides, is that her role their relationship

586
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: role of what she would be. The way she dresses

587
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: in the movie was very indicative of her being more

588
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: masculine than not. But in the book it is outright

589
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: said that she is a lesbian. Again, in the movie

590
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 2: they took that all out and we don't see that

591
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: because to the point that you don't even know if

592
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: they're actually sharing houses and who's sharing houses with whom

593
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: because at one point, I know, like Igi was living

594
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: with Sipsy so and then they were talking about when

595
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: Ruth got six, she moved to a different house.

596
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: I was like, so what house? Wait, what where'd she go?

597
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: Where's she at?

598
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: And then you also have Itgy having relationships with men,

599
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: the implication that she was having a relationships and men,

600
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: and in the book, Ig is having relationships with women,

601
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: and I think not prostitute, but like the woman in town,

602
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, the loose woman, I don't know.

603
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't know.

604
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: And this is what the like as I was reading

605
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: the differences what they said totally, but they said that

606
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: she wasn't exactly a prostitute though, but something something to

607
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: that implication I see.

608
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: I don't know in.

609
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: The book, and those who read the book can probably

610
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: clarify for us, because I have not read this book.

611
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I think this is an interesting perspective

612
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: because I haven't read the book either, but I never

613
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: seen the movie, but we did one of the reasons

614
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: this came up was we did that episode on movies

615
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: or entertainment that made you question, like if you're queer,

616
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: and at the top we gave examples a lot of

617
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: people listed, and one of them was Fried Green Tomatoes

618
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: and I read an essay about it, and when I

619
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: was watching it, so I guess I was coming in

620
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: prime thinking, oh, they are because the essay was very

621
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: much it brought up the book and it was very like,

622
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, see this is why and all this, and

623
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: so I was watching it like you're giving me all

624
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: the this is it's kind of sad. But I was like,

625
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't even see those modern movies. Look at how

626
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: they are.

627
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they really like they really played it up.

628
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: The river scene as well was one of I'm like, okay,

629
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: now I see it, Like.

630
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: When they were in the water together and they come

631
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: out and they're like underclothes and it's they're they're not naked,

632
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: they're fully dressed.

633
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: It's just what it's like. But the way they're so

634
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: they're like, oh there. It is the lingering look after

635
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: she does the bee charming, the questions, the teasing that

636
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Itchy does with really it's like but again, the movie

637
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: makers and producers made it safe enough that there was

638
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: plausible deniability, which is sad, which is why I questioned

639
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: the Glad Award. I get it, the queer people would

640
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: definitely love this movie, but I wish it had been

641
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: the one of those like they were outright saying it

642
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: like it is now I think, but back then it wasn't.

643
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: They were high, and they still got a Glad Award

644
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: of like that hypocritical not from Glad but from the

645
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: producers and the direction.

646
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely like having your cake and eating

647
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: too right situation. And it's also sad given what we've

648
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: talked about before, where it's unfortunate that we can't Like

649
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: there's a scene early on where I'm like, okay, Ruth

650
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: is into buddy, yeah, but then she takes Itgy's hand

651
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, right, but it should be. It's

652
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: just it's sad we don't get enough depictions of platonic friendships,

653
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: relationships of all all types that you know, it could

654
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: have been, especially because they were trying to hide it,

655
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: it could have been they were just good friends. And

656
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, right, that's fine, that's a great story. I'm

657
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: all about female friendships exactly, but it does. It's kind

658
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: of sad because I was like, oh no, I finally

659
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: get to see this thing. But also I'm just it

660
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: feels like erasing one thing for another thing. I don't

661
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: know if I expecin right.

662
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: Right right, there was this level like you want this

663
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: to be both of those things, Like I grew up

664
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: thinking it was about female friendship really gathering for each other,

665
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: like the song.

666
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: Are Almost Gotta Die.

667
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I'm pretty sure it's based on like

668
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: the Fried Green Tomatoes friendship, but it's a friendship that's

669
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: a friendship like that that you would do whatever you

670
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: have to for your friend. But like, yeah, it's like

671
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: could we not have both where this is this? But

672
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: because you do want that queer love story that is

673
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: so sweet and so endearing, but then you also want

674
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: that friendship where you don't need that as well. And

675
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: I know that's something that you deal with with your

676
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: sexuality in general, specifically Annie, because like both of those

677
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: things can exist in that level. But I found it

678
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: funny because I did think about the courtroom scene where

679
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: she's expresses because in my mind, I was like, why

680
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: doesn't she just say he was abusive, but in that

681
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: timeframe that wasn't seen as abusive. It was just keeping

682
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: a woman in line kind of conversation. So and she says,

683
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: she says I love her. That was that moment of like,

684
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: but then she says she's my best friend, and then

685
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, okay. So it was that back and

686
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: forth that tug right there too. They're like they want

687
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: to put that in just in case.

688
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: That people assume, and.

689
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: But it can be both, right, it can be that's that,

690
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: but that's that's the play. That's again that that straddling

691
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: the fence that they do.

692
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a difference here between that of like, oh,

693
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to outright say it because I'll lose

694
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: money as a studio and it being you know, we

695
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: have histories of like you know, Boston marriages or ways

696
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: women would get married or live with each other because

697
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: the time didn't allow it. But also sometimes a lot

698
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: of times I would hope the person you love is

699
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: your best friend, right, right, So it's it's it's complicated,

700
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: like there's a lot to unpack with that, right.

701
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: And again, this is ninety one. It was starting to

702
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: become more open, but still very fresh, so so many things. Well,

703
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: remember eighties had a lot of scare with HIV, which

704
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: is a lot of fear mongering and a lot of

705
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: going after the gay community. They purposely were demonizing gay

706
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: communities with this. So it's this level like Okay, I

707
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: see what you're doing. But at the same time, why

708
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: did you take the glad Award?

709
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: Like everything right?

710
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: You know, like okay, okay, because the book was explicit,

711
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: so you altered it if you If you altered it,

712
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: you had.

713
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: A reason too, right.

714
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: But again, that's one of those things I go back

715
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: and forth on as again, and I would not have

716
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: been allowed to see that movie had they been a

717
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: gay relationship, I will say that, And that's part of

718
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: the reason.

719
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure why they did this.

720
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, but it was to me watching it

721
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: from my standpoint and being like, wow, they.

722
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: Are they love each other just kids already.

723
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: They have a whole scene or they're like throwing food

724
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: at each other face erotic.

725
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: Those two scenes I'm telling you, and the other friendship

726
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: because I can't go away from the fact that Nannie

727
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: and Evelyn as they grow in their friendship is beautiful.

728
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: Nani's hitting her so much as she's talking about confidence

729
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: because I just say hit.

730
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: At one point, she's like, I think she might have

731
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: killed her husband. I think she's together. The story a

732
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: little too hard.

733
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Someone check on her, please, Yeah, but it was I

734
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: love the friendship Jessica Tandy. She was already thought of

735
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 2: for this movie, that she was already going to be cast,

736
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: and apparently she loved this role and everything about it.

737
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Maybe the first time I seen her Kathy Bass was

738
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: in Misery. So Misery was nineteen ninety and then this

739
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: was soon after, So those Kathy Bass era Yeah, obviously,

740
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: and I love to see it. But yeah, apparently ninety

741
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: was her was Misery and she did phenomenal, So this

742
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: is a complete flip for her. Going from that to

743
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: this and pulling both of this off is genius.

744
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: I loved it. I love Kathy Baits.

745
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did fantastic. I love that. It felt like

746
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: a very feminist awakening for her, where she's hearing these

747
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: stories and she's like questioning, why can't I even look

748
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: at my own vagina? Why am I going to going

749
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: to these like marriage classes when he could give like

750
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: twos about it, like my husband And having all these

751
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: questions and hearing these stories from Nini and getting inspired

752
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: and kind of recognizing her own anger and what she wants.

753
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's a pretty powerful metaphor of

754
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: There's one part where she Kathy Bates's character Evelyn, tear

755
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: down a wall, doesn't ask her husband, just tears it down.

756
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: It's like I want this light, I want this, I

757
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: want this, and then she decides, no, I want you

758
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: need to come back in and she rebuilds it. So

759
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: it feels like she's tearing something down and she's becoming

760
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: more confident and more aware of what she wants. And

761
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I also love her husband. Ed is like doing the

762
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: frantic oh god, she might leave. Have some flowers. That

763
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: is what I do.

764
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry I didn't.

765
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: Notice right right, which I find fascinating. I think that's

766
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: an interesting part of how marriage in this patriarchal system

767
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: can control women, as this idea like oh, he'll leave me.

768
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: But then she's like, maybe I'll leave you, and he's

769
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: suddenly panicking because she does do all this stuff for him.

770
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: She like hook brits him, the food, she gets him

771
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: the beer, She doesn't bother him, she lets him. I

772
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: don't say, let's him, but he talks down to her,

773
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: and she does and say anything about it, right, So

774
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny and kind of frustrating, and

775
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I was still sort of hoping that they break up

776
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: at the end, but I'd like, you.

777
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: Just wanted to be the two of them in the house.

778
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But you know what, as you talk about that,

779
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: there is like feminism is definitely in this in this

780
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: movie because we see the growth of Ruth as well,

781
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: the subservient, quiet woman who doesn't want to you know,

782
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: who comes in to try to tame Aji, but the

783
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: opposite ends up happening, essentially, and it kind of brings

784
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: out her other side, you know her. For a birthday,

785
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: they took her to the Bad Spot. I don't know

786
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: what else call it, because it's not a bar, it's

787
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: just a yeah, get together place where she plays poker

788
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: for the first time, she drinks for the first time,

789
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: she gets into the water, and they have that moment,

790
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: you know, and Ruth saying, this is the best birthday

791
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: I've ever had, and like growing into it, and then

792
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: like finding her footing and then being able to leave

793
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: her very abusive husband and being able to stay up

794
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: against him and being able to do her own business,

795
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: you know, running her own business and doing well with

796
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: her friend and not needing a man necessarily to take

797
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: care and raise the child, like all of these things

798
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: like this growth for both of them, Ruth and Evelyn

799
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: in parallel stories and then becoming women in their own

800
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: right and doing what the hell they want.

801
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was it was interesting too, the because

802
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: unfortunately you still don't see that many roles for older women.

803
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: So it was interesting to hear like Evelyn and nine

804
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: talk together and then sort of see this, like especially

805
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: when Evelyn like rams her car into this other car

806
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: six times and have that conversation about age. Are like

807
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: these younger women who are you know, maybe quote don't

808
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: get it. It was just I don't know that I've

809
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: seen too much of that of the like learning from

810
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: the older generation. And maybe those two women who got

811
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: their car wrecked in a couple of couple of years,

812
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: they'll be like, wait, they'll be there.

813
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: Also, they'll never try to steal someone's spot.

814
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: No, I don't think they got the wrong one. Row.

815
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I also love that Evelyn's last name is Couch. She

816
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: was always getting sad on because she keeps having these

817
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: confrontations where she's like Why are you being so mean

818
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: to me? I don't understand this right?

819
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: And that was it it and then she just runs away,

820
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: not this time, not to Wanda.

821
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: No, that's gonna bother me.

822
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: So another theme on this is of course racism, As

823
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: with the most movies of that time and even recil

824
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: though they do try to make a correct spin of

825
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: addressing issues like racism and the disparities, they still get

826
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: stuck with the stereotypical narratives in portraying the issues. Here's

827
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: a good quote from ranker dot com. One pronounced shortcoming

828
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: of Fried Green Tomatoes is how it portrays the lives

829
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: of the African Americans in whistle Stop. The movie doesn't

830
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: hold back in displaying Jim Crow Arab discrimination as well

831
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: as the subservient roles African Americans were forced to accept.

832
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: It does a better job than other films at the

833
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: time of showcasing how systemic and tolerance destroys communities and

834
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: ruins lives. The movie, however, makes the mistake of presenting

835
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: characters like Big George and Sipsey played by stan Shaw

836
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: and Cicily Tyson as stereotyped hired help with endless dedication

837
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: to their employers. These characters are like depth or personal agency.

838
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: While they are welcomed with open arms in Igy and

839
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: chosen family, their stories only matter in relation to the

840
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: white people around them. And again, this is that white

841
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: savior thing that we see constantly. I know, I want

842
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: to say the help I've never seen that, but that

843
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: is the large criticism is like why do you have

844
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 2: to center black people's trauma around a white person saving

845
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: them essentially? And don't get me wrong again, as this

846
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: quote says about the fact that they do a good job,

847
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: they don't just do. They don't hold back and displaying

848
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: the Jim Crow era discrimination and the roles that they

849
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: have to accept during that time, especially in the South

850
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: at that point in time, and like the influx of

851
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: KKK members and the violence that was happening against the

852
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: black community at the point, and honestly still but but

853
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: they're still like as the portrayal, they really do lean

854
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: hard in to be like, oh, but you know, these

855
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: white people will save them because they're protecting them, and

856
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: that's that's why they're okay. And also they're they're mild

857
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 2: and cold. I will say, like the SIPs character, there's

858
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: two big stereotypes in there. The Big George. The name

859
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: Big George in itself is like an indication in Sipsy's

860
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: character is an indication of like, yeah, this is almost

861
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: like gone with.

862
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: A wind level.

863
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Of betrayal but okay of the black community. But like

864
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Sipsy says at one point, she's like, I'm not your mama,

865
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: don't don't come in here like that, Like she does,

866
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 2: like stand firm and making sure she separates herself from them,

867
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: like the white people she works with or works for

868
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: at that point in time. And of course she handles

869
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: her own because she's the one that took out Frank.

870
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: But still her narrative is so quiet, you know, like

871
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: it's still just very quiet, and she just meekly walks

872
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: away and maybe that's again purposeful.

873
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, is Cicely Tyson. There's so much more

874
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: she could do with.

875
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: That character that she isn't a phenomenal actor and it

876
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 2: felt like like a throwaway even though maybe.

877
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: That's the way the production was.

878
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, how dare you not use

879
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: Cicely Tyson more? Because she is phenomenal? What is wrong

880
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: with you?

881
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean once again, I did not know

882
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen to me this morning when I

883
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: was watching this, Oh my god. What. I think it's

884
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: interesting that because this really started to hold conversation in

885
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: my head about we've struggled with this too.

886
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

887
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: You know, when you portray something of the time, how

888
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: to do that carefully, delicately, accurately, properly. And I do

889
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of that has to do with who's

890
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: writing it, who's in it, who's centered in it, because

891
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: it's something we can't and shouldn't ignore, but it also

892
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: isn't something that should be romanticized by white people. So

893
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: I think that's important in this whole conversation, and it

894
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: it was it felt clumsy, Like I feel like a

895
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: lot of things they did do better than a lot

896
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: of stuff I've seen or even recent stuff, but it

897
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: still felt kind of clumsy. And I'm going to assume

898
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: that's because of who was involved.

899
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: The main people that I see credited are not black

900
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: or part of the black community, So I would say,

901
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know who they talked to.

902
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: Maybe they did.

903
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to like those specific characters

904
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: you have that you've seen, Big George and even that

905
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: name like throughout the years and you know exactly what

906
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: kind of character you're getting into and what they've become

907
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: most of the caricature of black men in those times,

908
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 2: and they do it purposefully. Of that gentle giant doesn't

909
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: talk a lot, and so there's a lot of implications

910
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: to that as well as the Sipsy character of being that,

911
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: you know, the motherly, nanny ish type. But you know,

912
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about in that level and taking

913
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: care of or being the one that uh has to

914
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: get the tough love to the white character because she's

915
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: not she's too spoiled. But again, this like level of

916
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: like this is where the stereotypes of when we see

917
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: of black women and black men kind of come from.

918
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: In that level, like you're trying to target people and

919
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: minimize who they are as people and taking away the

920
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: depth of the story that is there. Once again, we

921
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: don't even know anything about where did where did Big

922
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: George come from? We just know that he and uh

923
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: Itchy are close, But why who is he?

924
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: What?

925
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Just what?

926
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: And then who is Sipsy? A part of this is

927
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: what like what? So it's just kind of all those

928
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: things that they purposely did this thing to make them

929
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: a side character, not even of human, almost just further

930
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: the plot. And that is again really problematic. And even

931
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: though again this movie does better job than some, especially

932
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: during that time, it stills like oh oh yeah uh.

933
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: And then at any point, I'm gonna say this, if

934
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: you're using derogatory terms and scenes of like a KKK

935
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: scene with the black community at the time, and you

936
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: don't have black people present to like monitor as well

937
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: as dictate what's happening, I don't think it should happen.

938
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: Maybe that's too harsh of a I don't know, I

939
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: just don't think it should happen like that seems it

940
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 2: feels real bad.

941
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it also like made me because this was

942
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: a long time ago. But occasionally I would get complaints

943
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: before you Smantha, I would get complaints like you, how

944
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: about trigger warnings?

945
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: And I.

946
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: You know, I went into this movie and not knowing

947
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: any of this was gonna happen, and I was quite

948
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: shocked at the language that was used, and I was

949
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that should be a warn't that there

950
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: should be at the front, like hey, And I then

951
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess movies really don't do well

952
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: at doing that or a lot of other stuff, but

953
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: like I rented it digitally and I got no warning.

954
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: I was just but it is. It's true, like I

955
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: think that that should be something that only people from

956
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: the black community. Yeah, they should be there. They should

957
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: make sure like okay, this is being handled correctly, but

958
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: also there should be just a warning at the front. Okay, yeah,

959
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be there.

960
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: I there's needs to you ale revamping because of course

961
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: we can't ignore that history. That's too ignorant and we

962
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: don't want to downplay that. But again, this is that

963
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: level of like, Okay, let's have a conversation about who

964
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: should be able to dictate what's being said or done

965
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: here and why it's important. And if you don't have

966
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 2: black people on that as part of that voice behind

967
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: the scenes, then you need to you should not have

968
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: permission to use it like that's in the story and.

969
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: It sucks because that's like such a traumatizing thing. That's

970
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: one of the most.

971
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah to work that in, but right, but you don't

972
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: want them to do that labor. But at the same time,

973
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: there's so much too this it's like, Okay, how do

974
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: we go about this, because yeah, we already know what

975
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: happens when white people take a hold of it or

976
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: non black people.

977
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: Right, We've had that conversation before about the pain of

978
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: doing and being a historian our researcher when that's your

979
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: expertise or that's what you're doing, and so it is,

980
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: it is really painful. So I think that should also

981
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: be recognized too.

982
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like there's so much to this that's like, oh,

983
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: by the way, I was wrong, was PG thirteen because

984
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: that had started at nineteen eighty four.

985
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: That was later, that was in the nineties.

986
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: It was after Poltergeist.

987
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: Yep, oh, that's right. We had that conversation, was PG.

988
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: Thirteen at the very least. But still, like some of

989
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: those things, you're like, who.

990
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm only laughing as a kid. I did not

991
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: know what was gonna happen to be this morning.

992
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: That's what this one's I guess we're even and this

993
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: one's on me. I'm sorry, Yeah, I was sorry.

994
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't as traumatic as my my mistake, so it's okay.

995
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Still, yeah, in my head, I know you hadn't seen it,

996
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: but I assumed you knew of it.

997
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Like of the things I thought it was older women

998
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: living in a house together, eating fried green tomatoes. Oh,

999
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: when we're in love, that's what I.

1000
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: Call well, you know.

1001
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: And then the final I guess the final theme is

1002
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: death and endings because we would talking about that, well,

1003
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: when things change and what happens and what looks like

1004
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: in dealing with that, because yes, we have a lot of.

1005
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: Death throughout this movie.

1006
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: At the very least, at least Nanni is still alive.

1007
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: And even though we're talking about themes, there's been a

1008
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: debate and most of the things that I've seen online

1009
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: assume that the movie Nini, who was played by Jessica Tandy,

1010
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: is actually Igy. So in the Wikipedia page they have

1011
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: Jessica Tandy playing Nini slash Igy thread Good. In me IMDb,

1012
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 2: it does not credit her such, so I don't think

1013
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: so people talk about whether or not she was Itgy

1014
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: in the end telling the story as a third person

1015
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 2: and then being Nanni. But in the book she's actually

1016
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: not Igy. She is Igi's sister in law because she

1017
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: married Igi's brother that we met, so that's this is

1018
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: how she knows the story. So, but there's a whole

1019
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: debate about it, and people are like, no, she'sa a

1020
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: g They changed it in the in the movie, I

1021
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: was like, I don't think so.

1022
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: I So I told you I thought that was going

1023
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: to be the conclusion. I don't think so either. And

1024
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: I started to rewatch it because, as you know, once

1025
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: I rent something, I watched it like a million times.

1026
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like this scene in the beginning where

1027
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you probably know better than me, but where

1028
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: Iggy's coming down the stairs and in her dress and

1029
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: gets in a fight, wasn't that Ninny who's like, she's

1030
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: going to ruin my wedding?

1031
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: No, so, Ninni is the sister in law to Igy,

1032
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: the the brother that's teasing her, she marries him.

1033
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: I guess I had no idea who was getting married.

1034
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: That's the oldest sister that we never hear about. Again,

1035
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: it never comes into place.

1036
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: Well, and I can't help you at all, but I assume, yeah,

1037
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: I I thought it was going that way. For a minute,

1038
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be one of or Iggy. Yeah,

1039
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: but I don't, nah, I don't think so.

1040
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: So profess you and I vote though, But like all

1041
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: of the things that I've read, they go back because

1042
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: like I just read through it, I was like, okay, cool,

1043
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: because I at the ending, I was like, that's not

1044
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: itchy because like the look between Evelyn and Nini and

1045
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: when they discover that there's a jar of honey, oh knowing,

1046
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: and that's the end. And then almost like when Evelyn goes.

1047
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: Like, maybe we'll run into her as before we leave.

1048
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: I think everybody insinuated that that was an insinuation that

1049
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: she was running into her right then or trying to

1050
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: play koy, but I was like, I don't think so.

1051
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it also kind of felt like for me

1052
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: that the it was more of a she is a

1053
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: a freaking wild spirit, I guess, like almost almost a

1054
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: force instead of a person, like not that she isn't,

1055
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: but almost like it's that taste of feminism you get

1056
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: through her, so it's like something that will live forever,

1057
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: right all right. I kind of got the vibe it

1058
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: was more like, oh, she's around, which she is I believe, yeah,

1059
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: but also on top of that, like the look would

1060
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: be more you know, and she's living within us, like

1061
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: and is still going and.

1062
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh you got real deep on that one.

1063
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: I get real deep.

1064
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: That was That's that's not where I went, but okay, yeah, nice,

1065
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: I liked it.

1066
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: Oh good, I love this.

1067
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: I do this all the time. My friends will be like,

1068
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's just.

1069
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: All right. She's become mythical at this point. But oh yeah,

1070
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: fund it, itchy and you.

1071
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes that we need that on a pillow.

1072
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: He was too close to itchy.

1073
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's, you know, the itch of feminism. There

1074
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: you go.

1075
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: Sure I don't like that. Let's not do that.

1076
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll workshop it, Okay, Yes, honestly, like, there's so

1077
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: many things we could talk about. I love that they

1078
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: included Mary Kay. That really made me laugh. It made

1079
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: me have something.

1080
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's too much for my blood, my parents' blood.

1081
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: Oh people. But also just a lot of like, yeah

1082
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: nineties thoughts around women and.

1083
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah culture, Yeah, I didn't left the dining culture the

1084
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: whole level for sure. Yeah.

1085
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: And I love her friend who I never learned her name,

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