Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: That pizza was great.
Speaker 3: Mark from the Chris Lastling podcast studio, it's around the NFL.
Speaker 3: I'm Dan hanss Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler heroes both
Speaker 3: what pizza.
Speaker 2: Are we referring tomorrow?
Speaker 4: I mean no, because like we were just talking before
Speaker 4: the show that we now you know we regularly read
Speaker 4: ads for iHeart part of the gig. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: it's it's we're happy to do it obviously, like on
Speaker 4: to varying degrees and like, uh, I you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know how they pick what we're each being tagged
Speaker 4: to read. But I got a de journal one that
Speaker 4: is nationally It's like, uh, now you poured your heart
Speaker 4: into the and I actually have eaten to journal pizza
Speaker 4: and I do believe in it. I don't want to
Speaker 4: give them. I want them to come back with a
Speaker 4: second spot and maybe in a more of a bundle
Speaker 4: of an offer for me to continue to pitch them.
Speaker 4: But like I will say, like I believe in the
Speaker 4: product largely, and I put my heart into the read
Speaker 4: and I've I've had people call me up from you know,
Speaker 4: other parts of the country and so they just heard you,
Speaker 4: uh doing a pizza on my.
Speaker 5: I feel a little conflicted here, Yeah, conflicted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this Friday.
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes I mentioned I do the pic show
Speaker 5: with Patrick and Cynthia, the game debut of course Friday,
Speaker 5: you guys can see the debut a PM Eastern of
Speaker 5: the Little Caesar's in Show ad that we filmed weeks back.
Speaker 5: So it's a bit of a conflict here. For Multiple Pizza.
Speaker 2: You guys have the whole thing covered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Multiple pie houses want us to speak for them.
Speaker 3: So I think there is a certain absurdist humor to
Speaker 3: Mark doing a read for any food product.
Speaker 4: Yes, I got a lot of that, but it's like
Speaker 4: you have seen me eat pizza.
Speaker 1: That would be so you.
Speaker 5: Would be a great sponsor because you'd be like, I
Speaker 5: don't like much food and go, but this food satisfies
Speaker 5: the market.
Speaker 3: I think to really get the cross promotion going with
Speaker 3: the journal, it's it's now taking that the first read
Speaker 3: was a little shock and awe and now adding some nuances.
Speaker 2: Be like, listen, Hi, I'm Mark. I don't like food,
Speaker 2: but what I must eat.
Speaker 1: Right, I like to pitch.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not like I need more more of
Speaker 4: a more weight in the creative process here. They just
Speaker 4: kind of gave me the text last time. But I
Speaker 4: think now that they see the ground swell here.
Speaker 2: If you want to cook the meal, you better let
Speaker 2: me shop for the grocers.
Speaker 1: I am Mark.
Speaker 5: On a typical nine hour day at the office, I
Speaker 5: just drink seventeen coffees and then.
Speaker 1: Like a root beer. But I'll eat some disorta.
Speaker 3: But I believe that I've seen you eat pizza. It's
Speaker 3: one of the foods I have. Yeah, you eat. This
Speaker 3: is the Wednesday edition of Around the NFL. This is
Speaker 3: you know, that nice little you're that buffer zone. So
Speaker 3: where we've moved away, we've moved out of the port
Speaker 3: of wild Card Super wild Card weekend, and we have
Speaker 3: our preview episode of the Divisional Round, the best weekend
Speaker 3: of football of the year, coming up tomorrow. But for today,
Speaker 3: I think it will be a good kind of sifting through,
Speaker 3: let's be honest, the wreckage, sifting through the wreckage stag
Speaker 3: of Super wild Card weekend and figuring out some of
Speaker 3: these teams that you know, didn't it didn't go their way.
Speaker 2: What happens next? So we got that coming up.
Speaker 3: But before we do, all right, once again, it's turning
Speaker 3: into the uh Jimmy Kimmel was saying, oh, we ran
Speaker 3: out of time for Matt Damon situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did tease Colleen coming back, but listen, I don't
Speaker 3: even need I don't have to get into it, and
Speaker 3: I won't. Colleen's not here today. So that is three
Speaker 3: straight weeks I've teased Colleen on the show. Next week,
Speaker 3: maybe you know what, Let's go for it next week.
Speaker 1: Colleen returns looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: It's a good like you're you know, part of your
Speaker 4: showman duties is just the build up, right, And then
Speaker 4: she's been a part of that too.
Speaker 3: I should have double checked with her, but I just assumed.
Speaker 3: But you don't assume. In the words of the second
Speaker 3: bad guy in Under Siege, too dark territory, assumption is
Speaker 3: the mother of all.
Speaker 2: That's what I did. He came up with that. He
Speaker 2: was pretty.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've been hearing that since I was
Speaker 4: like a youth, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Not in the movie came out in nineteen ninety five. Well,
Speaker 3: you weren't a youth. You were in your twenties at
Speaker 3: that point, but like you might.
Speaker 1: Have seen it.
Speaker 4: He elevated the phrase, no doubt. All right, let's get
Speaker 4: to the news.
Speaker 6: Came out of his ex wife's body, came out of
Speaker 6: his body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even gonna give the context. If you
Speaker 3: missed that episode, you just just know Greg had comments
Speaker 3: about that. And we're going to get to the Patriots
Speaker 3: and their coaching staff and who's on it and who's not,
Speaker 3: uh in a little bit.
Speaker 2: But let's start with Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3: And you know, Tomlin was the subject of a lot
Speaker 3: of speculation in December when the team was seven and
Speaker 3: seven and I was having a disappointing year. Then they
Speaker 3: reel off three straight wins, sneak in the playoffs, get
Speaker 3: dispatched by Buffalo on Monday, leading to a postgame press
Speaker 3: conference and a tense moment at the end where a
Speaker 3: reporter for ESPN, Brooke Pryor, asked.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know you got one year left on your contract.
Speaker 3: Tomlin gave a little look and then walked right out
Speaker 3: the door without saying a word, which takes us to Tuesday,
Speaker 3: where Tomlin told Steelers players and coaches that he plans
Speaker 3: to coach a team in twenty twenty four, a day
Speaker 3: after he walked out on that press conference. So, and
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting even how it's reported here Greg
Speaker 3: that he told the Steelers players and coaches, I'm coming back.
Speaker 3: So assuming Pittsburgh there's not a disconnect here, it will
Speaker 3: be Mike Tomlin once again back for yet another year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we know he's a man of his word, but
Speaker 5: I am very curious just to watch what happens this
Speaker 5: offseason because he's going into the final year of his contract.
Speaker 5: That's new, and I just wonder if him walking off
Speaker 5: the set there was almost like a warning shot of like,
Speaker 5: don't ask about that, because there's at least one route
Speaker 5: that he could take here, which is old boss or
Speaker 5: his old colleague Kevin Colbert took late in his career
Speaker 5: where he just kept going into his contract years. He
Speaker 5: wasn't sure. That was a little different. He was thinking
Speaker 5: about retiring and whatnot. And I do wonder and this
Speaker 5: would be something that will hang over the team if
Speaker 5: Tomlin is interested in like maybe I will go into
Speaker 5: my contract year and not sign an extension here. Maybe
Speaker 5: the Steelers don't want that to happen and they'll try
Speaker 5: to get him signed long term. But that it's just
Speaker 5: something to watch with the insiders this offseason.
Speaker 4: I guess also because like when you argued that Belichick
Speaker 4: would never be true trade bait, that he wouldn't go
Speaker 4: to another team and have that team have to give
Speaker 4: up a first round pick or multiple picks form or whatever,
Speaker 4: like coaches are unwise to do that. And if you're
Speaker 4: on your one year deal, you could be Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 4: And if you get to next end of next season
Speaker 4: and your quarterback situation isn't refreshed or vibrant or better
Speaker 4: than it has been for the past couple of years,
Speaker 4: you then become one of the most highly touted coaches
Speaker 4: out there. He's not that old, he's still got plenty
Speaker 4: left and like he could go almost anywhere he'd want
Speaker 4: to with the best possible roster and not give up
Speaker 4: assets in return. So it's like, you can't do that
Speaker 4: when you're still have two years, and so if you
Speaker 4: get to one, you're getting closer to freedom. If he
Speaker 4: wanted that bright and he sounds loyal to Pittsburgh to
Speaker 4: me also, and.
Speaker 5: He's also twenty years younger than Belgium. Could be a
Speaker 5: money thing too, Steelers, Like does he get the top
Speaker 5: of the coaching market money, Maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe it would take him becoming a free agent.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 3: In other news, the New Orleans Saints make moves on
Speaker 3: their coaching staff, headlined by Pete Carmichael Junior, the longest
Speaker 3: tenured offensive coordinator in football.
Speaker 2: He will not return to the Saints in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: The head coach, Dennis Allen announced that on Tuesday, they're
Speaker 3: also parting ways with a few other assistants on the staff.
Speaker 3: And you know, eighteen years, which eighteen season with the Saints.
Speaker 1: It's literally longer than any head coach in the league.
Speaker 2: And obviously you know right, yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Is Tomlin is now that longest ten year head coach.
Speaker 3: He was a member of Sean Payton's original coaching staff.
Speaker 3: He arrived as the QB coach in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: And of course it was when Peyton was there, was
Speaker 3: Peyton's offense and Peyton was running the show, which I
Speaker 3: guess eased Carmichael's transition when Dennis Allen took over. But
Speaker 3: at this point in time, and we're gonna get to
Speaker 3: Dennis Allen sticking around mark in a second, some comments
Speaker 3: made by the general manager.
Speaker 4: They are making changes, just not at the top, I
Speaker 4: mean the Pete Carmichael thing. I'll never forget being at
Speaker 4: like a Hall of Fame game, literally like during the
Speaker 4: flate Gate or something, or during like the whole bounty
Speaker 4: gate thing, and seeing Pete Carmichael on the sideline, you know,
Speaker 4: in late August. This was like a billion years ago.
Speaker 4: So it's like he's been around forever.
Speaker 5: He was the interim before the other interim came back, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, so.
Speaker 4: He's he's always been like Peyton's guy. But I think
Speaker 4: two things. I feel a little bit like there were
Speaker 4: whispers when they try to elevate him to oc that
Speaker 4: he didn't really really desire it the way that you'd think,
Speaker 4: like when you hear like you listen to Jordan Rodrieg's
Speaker 4: play Callers podcast series, like all these guys are dying
Speaker 4: inside and burning just to get a play into the playbook.
Speaker 4: They want to be part of it, they want to create,
Speaker 4: and like, you didn't get that vibe from late career
Speaker 4: Carmichael in this situation. And I you know, Matt Harmon,
Speaker 4: our friend put a comment out saying that like on
Speaker 4: the week to week basis of watching film and watching offense,
Speaker 4: like the Saints were the one kind of the film
Speaker 4: that just drag them would drag them down to the
Speaker 4: mud on a week to week basis, and it's like
Speaker 4: they could use some new ideas, some fresh life.
Speaker 5: It's it's the way of like keeping the head coach.
Speaker 5: But hey, we are making a change, and that's fine.
Speaker 5: It has been the same system. I mean, it's Sean
Speaker 5: Payton's system. They were average on offense the last two years.
Speaker 5: They weren't much better with Car. They did finish better offensively,
Speaker 5: so I think that's at least in their offensive line.
Speaker 5: I think played well considering that the relative talent that
Speaker 5: they have. So now it's like it's Car and all
Speaker 5: these guys starting over in another system which has its
Speaker 5: own share of risks.
Speaker 3: Right, and you know, if they don't get better next year,
Speaker 3: they'll come for the head coach. And a lot of
Speaker 3: people thought Dennis Allie should have been out this year,
Speaker 3: but Mickey Loomis decided that the Saints wanted to go
Speaker 3: deeper with Allen and he had a press conference today
Speaker 3: which was hyper enjoyable. Just a warning mark to you
Speaker 3: and the other mesophonius out there. Yeah, he's chewing gum.
Speaker 3: That sound you're about to hear is a man chomping
Speaker 3: violently on a piece of bubble gum while addressing the
Speaker 3: media in see how it goes into a microphone.
Speaker 2: Good luck, Bill Belichick.
Speaker 7: Here's his first three seasons six and ten, seven and nine,
Speaker 7: seven and nine, Tom Landy four eleven, four, nine, five
Speaker 7: and eight, four and ten, five and eight. Hall of
Speaker 7: Fame coaches, all of them. Bill wallsh first year two
Speaker 7: and fourteen, second year six and ten. So I think
Speaker 7: the easy thing to do is just look at.
Speaker 2: The results and say, oh no, we've got to have
Speaker 2: a change.
Speaker 3: And I want to address the musiphonia, which I'm coming
Speaker 3: around on now, but we got to let this guy
Speaker 3: cook because he's just getting warm warmed up here go whoa.
Speaker 2: You got to look beyond that.
Speaker 7: You know, what are the reasons why we were nine
Speaker 7: and eight instead of you know, thirteen and four.
Speaker 2: And look, it's it's collective.
Speaker 7: It's the players, it's the coaches, it's me, it's our personnel, staff,
Speaker 7: our roster, it's variables sometimes that we don't have any
Speaker 7: control of. And so I my assessment is Dennis Allen
Speaker 7: is a good coach. And again, you know with Sean
Speaker 7: Payton we went ten and six the first year, but
Speaker 7: then we were seven to nine eight and eight, I
Speaker 7: heard some of the same noise, but at the time
Speaker 7: I knew we had a good football coach, and so
Speaker 7: I think sometimes the hard thing to do is to
Speaker 7: be patient and wreck ignize your other shortcomings and get
Speaker 7: those fixed. And that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: I love that Saints Fans despise Dennis Allen. And then
Speaker 3: the GM comes out and he does the cliche the
Speaker 3: eighties bad guy move of popping in the gum whenever
Speaker 3: you one. If you were getting into character and you
Speaker 3: want to be okay, we want you to play this
Speaker 3: as a kind of over confident buffoon who's also dismissive
Speaker 3: of what other people think to be an obvious problem.
Speaker 3: The first thing you do is you talk that way,
Speaker 3: and the second thing you do is you pop in
Speaker 3: the piece of gum, because it adds to this a
Speaker 3: laura that you're not even gonna take this seriously, even
Speaker 3: though everyone around you is deadly serious about the problem
Speaker 3: around your organization or in your high school.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I you know, I was doing a
Speaker 4: thing where I'm watching him, like on the monitor, and
Speaker 4: it the whole noise part of it bothered me a
Speaker 4: little bit less. But then if I turned away and
Speaker 4: just did it like people driving around are right now
Speaker 4: or you know, running or jogging in listening to that,
Speaker 4: like it drove me ten times more insane. But the Hubris,
Speaker 4: the DJF element to all that, and the Hubris to
Speaker 4: suggest to a room of hard and football reporters that
Speaker 4: I'm going to list off three or four Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame head coaches from twenty twenty five years ago, yes,
Speaker 4: who lived in a totally different NFL, and then say
Speaker 4: I'm equating that to Dennis Allen. That is that is
Speaker 4: that's Hubris. That's absurd.
Speaker 3: Maybe Jamis Wiston should be the quarterback because there is
Speaker 3: some connective tissue there. When Winston was like trying to say,
Speaker 3: this isn't a shot at DA, we just made a
Speaker 3: team decision without him to score that touchdown, not realizing
Speaker 3: that he was actually making the coach look worse.
Speaker 2: In this situation.
Speaker 3: You're not helping Mickey Loomis Dennis Allen by invoking some
Speaker 3: of the great coaches in NFL history saying that they
Speaker 3: started slowly and then came out. If anything, it just
Speaker 3: makes you look sillier and weaker by comparison.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I don't know if he's counting Dennis Sounds raiding.
Speaker 5: I love it days. I do love it because if
Speaker 5: you counted Denni Sounds Raider days, you could keep those
Speaker 5: records rolling and start with four and twelve, four and
Speaker 5: twelve and four, Johomp twenty four and forty six. I
Speaker 5: love Mickey Loomis still being around because there aren't many
Speaker 5: teams like this where.
Speaker 4: He oh boy, he is the best in the NFL.
Speaker 5: And and P mar Carmichael was like this too, at
Speaker 5: keeping his job like he has been in this job
Speaker 5: for twenty four years, Mickey Loomis, and he's not just
Speaker 5: a gym. He's the executive vice president. At one point
Speaker 5: he was running the Pelicans. That was a long term
Speaker 5: bit on this show. I don't believe he's still running.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know he's not still running the Pelicans anymore.
Speaker 5: But he has as much power, I believe, as almost
Speaker 5: any decision maker in the entire league, because he he
Speaker 5: almost feels like ownership, and I think he's.
Speaker 2: Don't you gum like that unless you are completely safe.
Speaker 5: And he's got like he's got the media people that
Speaker 5: like are his guys. He's got the ones that are
Speaker 5: against him and he's definitely firing back against the ones
Speaker 5: that are against me. He does some local radio hits
Speaker 5: where he just like goes off and you're just like, Wow,
Speaker 5: this guy is almost untouchable, and I think he likes.
Speaker 2: In his own fan base.
Speaker 3: Gregie, Yeah, the way he was and I'm joking but serious,
Speaker 3: but chewing the gun that way, addressing the media in
Speaker 3: that type of hyper confident way is being dismissive of
Speaker 3: what is he would if we could hear it clearly
Speaker 3: out in southern California, in New Orleans, it must be
Speaker 3: an absolute blizzard of the criticism and negativity around the
Speaker 3: coaching staff and the team in general. So for him
Speaker 3: to come out publicly like, I'd be pulling my hair
Speaker 3: out if I was a Saints fan because I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is the guy that's leading us right now, like
Speaker 3: he's on his own planet.
Speaker 1: Does that magic with the cap? You know, year after.
Speaker 4: Year, there's also, you know, not a lot of years
Speaker 4: like this one where there's some high profile, attractive program building,
Speaker 4: proven coaches out there and you're gonna not even think about.
Speaker 1: Right making a change.
Speaker 5: I think when everyone hears like, oh, Dennis Allen isn't
Speaker 5: going anywhere to me that was like, Okay, Mickey Loomis
Speaker 5: is going and isn't going in at some point Gail Benson,
Speaker 5: who owns his team, is going to step in if
Speaker 5: they struggle and have to push the eject button on
Speaker 5: the whole thing. Because it's like Mickey Loomis kind of
Speaker 5: kind of runs the team and he likes that he
Speaker 5: has a coach that is, you know, under his thumb
Speaker 5: to something.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is just like I'm basing this off of
Speaker 4: personal experience, Like do you don't does it not feel
Speaker 4: like fewer people And I'll start with adults. I'm not
Speaker 4: like gauging children, but like fewer adults are walking around
Speaker 4: chewing gum then than in the past. Do you I
Speaker 4: used to chew gum all the time. I don't ever
Speaker 4: think about buying gum. So that's me. I get that,
Speaker 4: that's just me. But like, if you walk around seeing
Speaker 4: a lot of adults chewing gum.
Speaker 3: Oh well, if you're talking like bubblicious, no, but people
Speaker 3: that will chew it for the fresh in their breath,
Speaker 3: I think that's still an industry that's thriving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thriving, Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, we also live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe this is like a healthier because I do think
Speaker 5: like it seems like people eat less candy, less gum,
Speaker 5: less soda in general than when we were growing up
Speaker 5: and we were.
Speaker 1: Just like cigarettes, right and well, there's that.
Speaker 4: That's that is there's a link right there.
Speaker 5: I have found an article in the Atlantic Mark that
Speaker 5: says gum sales are down thirty two, twenty eighteen industry analyst.
Speaker 5: So it's lost the little juice. Let's break it. Let's
Speaker 5: break them back.
Speaker 4: That is a significant decline, by the way, yeah, for
Speaker 4: only five five six years too that I.
Speaker 2: Want to see your data. I want to see your sources.
Speaker 1: I mean it's the.
Speaker 5: Atlantic, it's not a Atlantic. How chewing gum lost its
Speaker 5: cultural cachet? Mark, You're always it's by Mark Sessler. Wow,
Speaker 5: that is good.
Speaker 1: That is crazy.
Speaker 5: I will counter that with a article is called It's
Speaker 5: just not cool anymore?
Speaker 2: Not ask me.
Speaker 4: That's true that I know, but he does not.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: The global chewing gum market is forecasted to make sales
Speaker 3: amounting to forty eight point six eight billion US dollars
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So it's still huge. I'm just saying not antil what
Speaker 1: though not as huge relatively.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Fifty billion is fifty billion of me.
Speaker 4: Well, that's fine, Like I think Greg's study tells them.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like how people are like, oh, TV
Speaker 1: is dying.
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, but you still have these advertisers paying
Speaker 5: millions of dollars and millions, So it's it's on the
Speaker 5: downslope a big gum.
Speaker 1: You're not going.
Speaker 4: Thirty two percent is a notable number.
Speaker 2: Based on sales per region.
Speaker 3: The largest market for chewing gum can be found in Europe,
Speaker 3: bowed by the Asia Pacific region. The North American market
Speaker 3: ranked third. Okay, where the beloved chewy candy sales are
Speaker 3: expected to reach three point five billion US dollars by
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So listen, I'm still betting big on
Speaker 3: big gum.
Speaker 4: You keep doing.
Speaker 3: Nobody ever went uh no one ever went broke betting
Speaker 3: on big gum.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, the the awful stick gums
Speaker 5: which lose its flavor within like thirty seconds. Yeah, those
Speaker 5: I think are are gone for the most they've been
Speaker 5: out class.
Speaker 2: They've fruit strip striping.
Speaker 5: It's literally gone that has been continue like if you
Speaker 5: have it for thirty seconds and we need a higher
Speaker 5: quality gum, for sure, you.
Speaker 3: Know it's a wild thing still on the market, you
Speaker 3: know how, or maybe you don't know. But chewing tobacco,
Speaker 3: which is tremendously destructive, snuff and things like that that
Speaker 3: are you know, everyone knows. They were sold in pouches,
Speaker 3: and I think Major League Baseball and the miners now
Speaker 3: have banned its usage. It was prevalent in sixties, seventies,
Speaker 3: eighties into the nineties. Big league chwo is still out there,
Speaker 3: and it's packaging is literally packaged in tobacco.
Speaker 2: In the same way the chewing tobacco, I mean.
Speaker 4: Big league chew was jackpot of gum in many ways.
Speaker 4: I'd love juicy fruit as a sort of less sweet
Speaker 4: type of trinket was good too.
Speaker 3: By the way, somebody gives me a slice of big
Speaker 3: Red right now, I'm going Loomis on.
Speaker 4: The jewels, weird piece of gum.
Speaker 2: I'm going full Loomis, okay, all right.
Speaker 3: In other news, the Falcons Man, the falcons are casting
Speaker 3: a wide net with big fish being dragged in because
Speaker 3: a couple of days after Bill Belichick had a meeting
Speaker 3: with the team and had an interview the Falcons and
Speaker 3: ounced Tuesday that they completed an interview with Michigan coach
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh. So you go, you go Belichick, Harball, back
Speaker 3: to back Belichick the most successful NFL coach ever, Harball,
Speaker 3: who had huge success with the Niners years back, and
Speaker 3: just won a national title with Michigan. I mean, they
Speaker 3: got to you imagine, this isn't gonna end with them
Speaker 3: hiring some offensive line coach. One of these dudes is
Speaker 3: probably gonna be their coach, right.
Speaker 2: You would think so.
Speaker 5: And they have we have a tracker for coaches and interviews.
Speaker 5: They have requested and started interviews with other candidate's like
Speaker 5: Mike McDonald, the Ravens coordinator, and Bobby Slowak the Texans.
Speaker 5: So they have had some a Giro Evereu the Panthers,
Speaker 5: so they've dipped into that pool too, And yet it
Speaker 5: feels like they're the only team that's gone Harbob Belichick.
Speaker 1: What a world that to me?
Speaker 5: That Jim Harbor and Bill Belichick are competing for a
Speaker 5: head coaching job in the year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like Harpball's come vaguely close there was interest
Speaker 4: with the Vikings two years ago. In the I think
Speaker 4: he wanted the Chargers job a year ago also, which.
Speaker 5: Makes sense he wanted the Broncos job last year too.
Speaker 5: They shot him down. I mean I thought that when
Speaker 5: Michigan won that title, I was like, you got to
Speaker 5: give a thanks to the Vikings and the Broncos for
Speaker 5: turning him down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Falcons though. It's like I could
Speaker 4: see Belichick being like, if I want the Falcons job,
Speaker 4: it's okay that we don't have a quarterback because I
Speaker 4: can do my Bill Belichick things and we'll find one.
Speaker 4: But like Jim Harbaugh, almost I feel like from the
Speaker 4: hit the ground running needs to be attached to like
Speaker 4: a promising young quarterback. I don't like the idea of
Speaker 4: him going two years with the chaos.
Speaker 5: They've had, the buzzes. He might want a draft one,
Speaker 5: depending on where he goes. JJ McCarthy, his quarterback at
Speaker 5: Michigan who's seen as kind of like a late first
Speaker 5: second round type of guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, in fairness to Harball, I don't think he's
Speaker 3: one of those coaches that can't be successful unless you
Speaker 3: give him a star quarterback.
Speaker 2: When he came to San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Alex Smith was a draft bust YEP turned him in
Speaker 3: to a big time player, and then Colin Kaepernick took
Speaker 3: the league over for a while, and obviously in Michigan
Speaker 3: has found ways to make that organization.
Speaker 4: He just doesn't seem like someone that's gonna hang around
Speaker 4: for nine years somewhere. So it's like, you don't want.
Speaker 3: No, you're kind of signing up, I think, And that
Speaker 3: might be the trepidation. Trepidation for a lot of these
Speaker 3: teams going back to last year is you know what
Speaker 3: you're gonna get. He's gonna be painting the ass. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be maybe even Monihacal. You're probably gonna butt heads
Speaker 3: with him by the end of year one. But he's
Speaker 3: been successful everywhere he's gone, So that's it. A deal
Speaker 3: with the devil feels strong. But you're you know, if
Speaker 3: you're getting into bed with Harbaugh, you make your team better,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a huge painting.
Speaker 4: You'll be the center of attention.
Speaker 5: I'm waiting for one of these, you know, dominoes to
Speaker 5: drop here. And part of it is, as we're taping,
Speaker 5: we don't know about the Eagles and the Cowbies, and
Speaker 5: maybe that's holding things up. And then you also have
Speaker 5: the guys that are in the playoffs like McDonald and
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson. Feels like the bell of the ball that
Speaker 5: the Lions, Oh see, who's gonna get one of the
Speaker 5: those jobs? So that's holding things up a little too.
Speaker 1: And I like that. You don't need to have this
Speaker 1: be such a like mad dash.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: In other news, we talked about on Monday night that
Speaker 3: the Patriots quickly moved on from Bill Belichick by promoting
Speaker 3: Drowd Mayo to head coach, and on Wednesday, the Patriots
Speaker 3: held a introductory press conference for Mayo.
Speaker 2: Here's a little bit.
Speaker 8: From the wet walls need to be knocked down in
Speaker 8: your opinion, what relationships need to be rebuilt?
Speaker 2: And Robert you can take it as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, as we evaluate the players, the scheme and things
Speaker 8: like that, I think you have to evaluate the culture
Speaker 8: and evaluate how the pieces fit. I will say this,
Speaker 8: like my philosophy, I don't want to be in an
Speaker 8: echo chamber. I just don't. I want people who are
Speaker 8: going to be honest and open and then hopefully come
Speaker 8: together and make a sound decision.
Speaker 5: That was really a theme I watched your odd mayos man.
Speaker 5: It was like whiplash watching that compared to a Bill
Speaker 5: Belgick conference where he's just like joking around.
Speaker 1: He wasn't nervous at all.
Speaker 5: You can see how he could be a charismatic speaker
Speaker 5: but also pretty loose. But he hit that pretty hard
Speaker 5: that he was lessened to the schemes and how everything's
Speaker 5: going to look and more about developing people and really
Speaker 5: like he was trying to he was as respectful as
Speaker 5: possible to Belichick but saying kind of like this needs
Speaker 5: to not just be a one man operation. I want
Speaker 5: to listen to everyone in the building. Our insider ian
Speaker 5: pointed out how like literally like assistant coaches aren't allowed
Speaker 5: to talk to people walking by them in the hallway,
Speaker 5: like media people like that sort of stuff, like your
Speaker 5: key card only gets you into certain rooms. And I
Speaker 5: think that was what Mayo was talking about. It's just like,
Speaker 5: let's take away the skull and crossbones stuff about being
Speaker 5: the Patriots, that it's so dark and everything, and let's
Speaker 5: like develop players and be human. And that was sort
Speaker 5: of what he talked about, is he was worried more
Speaker 5: about like I want to develop these guys and be
Speaker 5: their leader and everything else will fall into his place.
Speaker 4: And this was a totally different in terms of Lavarians.
Speaker 4: You can get with Robert Craft, a different version of
Speaker 4: Robert Craft in this press conference where he opened up
Speaker 4: talking about the fact that you know, he has been
Speaker 4: close to Durrod Mayo since two thousand and eight when
Speaker 4: they drafted him and got to know him really well.
Speaker 4: I mean, drot Mail calls Robert Craft. This kind of
Speaker 4: blew my mind and I love it. And I was like,
Speaker 4: would this ever been the nickname Bill Belichick uses for
Speaker 4: Robert Craft? He calls him Thundercat.
Speaker 5: I was so confused because he kept talking about thunder
Speaker 5: that's calling the whole time relationship, and I missed that
Speaker 5: that was actually Robert Kraft, and he just kept talking
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this thunder guy?
Speaker 4: I mean, but I think the thing is because the
Speaker 4: Belichick thing I just got so stale over the last
Speaker 4: year and a half. Like this felt like such a
Speaker 4: sea change, and I kind of think that behind the
Speaker 4: scenes Mayo and Craft, like their relationship has was there
Speaker 4: a bit of a hey, things could change, and I
Speaker 4: have some ideas and like, you know, a lot of it.
Speaker 2: I think he Mayo refers to Kraft is thunder the
Speaker 2: other way around.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, thunder Witch is short for young thundercat
Speaker 3: dude to what he calls the eighty two years old's
Speaker 3: young heart because he's friends with Meek Mill.
Speaker 2: That's why there's other reasons anywhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has a very young wife. I mean not
Speaker 5: as young as you know when when he met her.
Speaker 5: Uh No, she's older now, well right, she's he is
Speaker 5: older than me.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying very.
Speaker 2: Talk about wives, Greg, because I know where you're going next.
Speaker 5: I couldn't even remember what what body part, what I
Speaker 5: was even talking about.
Speaker 1: Back then.
Speaker 5: They didn't talk any Steve Belichick, by the way, But
Speaker 5: it's funny you mess what you were talking about, by
Speaker 5: the way, Yes, Robert Kraft.
Speaker 2: From when Steve Belichick emerged.
Speaker 5: Yes, uh and maybe maybe he'll stick around, maybe not.
Speaker 5: There were no specifics really about what what Mayo is
Speaker 5: going to do. Uh, but Kraft compared Mayo to his
Speaker 5: new wife Dana, and to Bill Belichick and to his
Speaker 5: first wife Myra and said, like.
Speaker 1: These checking the boxes. I just go with my gut.
Speaker 5: And that's the only time I've had these feelings about
Speaker 5: certain people. And I knew it in a day, and
Speaker 5: I sort of knew that about Jirad Mayo in a day,
Speaker 5: And this was always my plan, and and it spoke
Speaker 5: to larger things that it sounds like they're just going
Speaker 5: to be promoting from within for their GM and front office,
Speaker 5: that they are going to look at outside people. But
Speaker 5: he was kind of like, it's my motto my company.
Speaker 5: Other NFL teams are different that I'd rather develop from within,
Speaker 5: and we have a lot of good people from within,
Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna specify blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: There was very one, very succession type moment where there
Speaker 4: were some penetrating questions like, well, why is Jonathan Kraft
Speaker 4: not even here, like you know, we some would think
Speaker 4: he's running the whole thing behind.
Speaker 2: The sees, is not a serious person.
Speaker 4: Well he's basically you did say these like he didn't
Speaker 4: say that, but he's like, you know, the Craft family
Speaker 4: has so many businesses that Jonathan Kraft is dealing with
Speaker 4: it with an almost emergency type situation in one of
Speaker 4: our companies and couldn't be here today.
Speaker 2: It just kind of just like, Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 3: I still think Greg will be talking about it as
Speaker 3: the months pass that.
Speaker 2: Oh, Robert's more involved than he's ever been.
Speaker 5: He he was with decision making, right he they they
Speaker 5: asked him that question and he said, you know, I
Speaker 5: guess it's a young Thundercat, right. Young Thundercat said, it's
Speaker 5: gotta be the same as it's always been. We don't
Speaker 5: get involved with that at all. We're gonna trust them
Speaker 5: to do their jobs. We know what we don't know.
Speaker 5: We look at it like we're fans. The only time
Speaker 5: we get involved is if there's some sort of character
Speaker 5: issue thing in other than that, we're gonna trust him.
Speaker 5: There was one moment which I legitimately the whole thing
Speaker 5: made me feel better about the Drowd Mayo thing. And
Speaker 5: we'll see he's in a very difficult spot. But you know,
Speaker 5: he said, I'm not trying to be Bill Belichick. You
Speaker 5: can see that, and that's good. But there was a
Speaker 5: moment where they asked, you know, whether because he had
Speaker 5: said it was important it meant a lot to him
Speaker 5: to be the first black head coach of the Patriots,
Speaker 5: And they asked Robert Kraft, is it important to you
Speaker 5: that he's the first black head coach? And Kraft had
Speaker 5: this answer, like, I don't see color. That doesn't matter
Speaker 5: to me. He just happened to be the best man
Speaker 5: for the job, and I thought the way. Mayo then
Speaker 5: took what Kraft just said and answered it said a
Speaker 5: lot about him.
Speaker 8: I do see color, because I believe if you don't
Speaker 8: see color, you can't see racism and whatever whatever happens black, white,
Speaker 8: disabled person. I've always even someone with disabilities, I always,
Speaker 8: you know, for the most part, people are like, you know,
Speaker 8: don't you know when they're young, they kind of make
Speaker 8: the spot hot. Younger people know what that means. But
Speaker 8: what I would say is like, no, I want you
Speaker 8: to be able to go up to those people, really
Speaker 8: understand those people. So it goes back to whatever it is, black, white, yellow,
Speaker 8: it really doesn't matter, but it does matter so we
Speaker 8: can try to fix the problem that we all know
Speaker 8: we have.
Speaker 5: For him to say that right next to Kraft after
Speaker 5: Kraft said that, I thought it was telling and it
Speaker 5: was great, and I just think it just shows he's
Speaker 5: not afraid and he kind of knows being a black
Speaker 5: coach in Boston's going to be tricky. A lot of
Speaker 5: people I already saw it to it, like, aren't gonna
Speaker 5: even like those comments.
Speaker 1: Like it's a says a lot about him.
Speaker 5: I think that he could have the respective craft to
Speaker 5: kind of go against what Kraft just said right next
Speaker 5: to him and address kind of a serious topic but
Speaker 5: in a totally respectable and respectful way and be like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're like, I am the first black coach for the Patriots,
Speaker 5: and like, I know that that might be a thing,
Speaker 5: and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think, well, I think.
Speaker 3: It's about a bit of an outdated cliche for someone
Speaker 3: that is open minded about things and race relations to
Speaker 3: say that I don't see color. That's now not necessarily
Speaker 3: the way to go about it, But twenty years ago
Speaker 3: or whatever, that's what everyone would say if you were
Speaker 3: trying to express yourselves in a certain way. Boston sports
Speaker 3: has a horrendous history when it comes to the black
Speaker 3: players and coaches. And look at all the major teams,
Speaker 3: whether it's the Red Sox of Celtics and the Patriots,
Speaker 3: and I know Belgic's been there forever, but twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four it took to get your first black coach.
Speaker 2: You know that was obviously overdue. Let's see, how.
Speaker 5: Mister Mayo, I gotta defend I got to defend my Celtics,
Speaker 5: at least the organization, not the fans. They broke a
Speaker 5: lot of boundaries. Of course, Bill Russell as a as
Speaker 5: a head coach early in the NBA, I think a
Speaker 5: first winning championship, stuff like that and bringing players in.
Speaker 5: But you're you're absolutely right. It's it's a little thorny.
Speaker 5: And that's why I thought that moment it was.
Speaker 3: That was pretty interesting, that Bill Russell documentary, eye opening
Speaker 3: what he went through. Okay, let's uh, let's take a
Speaker 3: break and then when we get back, we will and
Speaker 3: this is an easy work. But we've brought the uh,
Speaker 3: we've brought the wrecking ball out. We've brought all the
Speaker 3: trucks are rolling in the back hose, and we are
Speaker 3: sifting through the wreckage of wild Card weekend, common men.
Speaker 2: That's what it's about.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back and welcome back, all right. I
Speaker 3: was just saying that we're sifting through the wreckage.
Speaker 2: Here. Here's what I wanted one to be doing.
Speaker 3: Mark, I want you to be in one of the trucks.
Speaker 3: But you know, on a construduction site, there's just always
Speaker 3: one guy, even if it's just rubble, just shooting water somewhere.
Speaker 4: You just hammer in an area with water, just with
Speaker 4: a big ol' hose. Wet it down, just wet it down.
Speaker 4: Sure that sounds like one of the easier jobs on
Speaker 4: the site.
Speaker 3: But okay, I'm going to be actually in a collared
Speaker 3: shirt with the sleeves rolled up and some papers and
Speaker 3: just like talking to people. Okay on the Wow, Okay, Greg,
Speaker 3: you are in you know how there's always a trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're in the trailer.
Speaker 1: And nobody's actually out working.
Speaker 2: You're no, you're you're answering phones and you're you're like
Speaker 2: setting things.
Speaker 3: Upon and then uh and then Eric, you and Randy.
Speaker 2: Doing that work.
Speaker 1: We got shovels, shovels and wheelbarrows.
Speaker 3: And you got the you got your your tats are
Speaker 3: out because you have the T shirt and you're looking
Speaker 3: pretty good.
Speaker 2: And Randy's grinding as well. I like that. That's that's
Speaker 2: how I see it. Look, what is it? What do
Speaker 2: you guys?
Speaker 9: I think what you described is you guys had the
Speaker 9: white helmets on and we have the yellow helmets. I
Speaker 9: think that's the higherarchy on most constructions.
Speaker 5: I like that you positioned it as common men, but
Speaker 5: then put us all in like mid level middle management
Speaker 5: office jobs, the people that everyone out is whispering about
Speaker 5: the jerks.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Mark probably is is more scene as able to kind
Speaker 3: of travel. He's code switching because you're you're just you're
Speaker 3: plasting that water in there. But that's to soften up
Speaker 3: the rocks and the soil for those guys to have
Speaker 3: to take.
Speaker 4: The I'm helping them if anything, and I so I
Speaker 4: care about their plight, and you know, I think that
Speaker 4: the common man is also equipped to just talk about
Speaker 4: disasters versus cleaning them up.
Speaker 9: And that's what we Randy pointed out that Mark might
Speaker 9: be oshas to make sure everything's up to the code.
Speaker 2: He's a code guy. Osha Rolls in Cess dog eating
Speaker 2: is the yourno's.
Speaker 4: They're still doing those spots.
Speaker 2: There's a microwave in that trailer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, I'll after I got my
Speaker 3: sleeves rolled up, I pop into the trailer.
Speaker 2: You go in the trailer. Greg's already in the trailer.
Speaker 4: We're just feasting on the grenos and then well we've
Speaker 4: been working hard, so it's not you know.
Speaker 3: And then he's like, We're like, oh, there's a couple
Speaker 3: of slices left. Should we tell Eric and Randy? And
Speaker 3: then Greg's like.
Speaker 5: Now let's say no, I would never be that be
Speaker 5: that guy, you know, a couple slices.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're at the site, We're at the demo site,
Speaker 3: and uh, it's time to start figuring out what to
Speaker 3: make of, you know, the situation, and we're going to
Speaker 3: get to Uh. It's not we can talk about any
Speaker 3: of the teams that are playing this upcoming weekend. That's
Speaker 3: certainly welcome, but I think a good focus of this
Speaker 3: segment is going to be around who's not playing and
Speaker 3: what comes next?
Speaker 2: And Greg, do you want to get us going? Uh?
Speaker 3: At the construction site, we've gotta sift through this wreckage
Speaker 3: and what are you taking out of it?
Speaker 2: How is it? Mark?
Speaker 5: You know, the rams are are a site that I
Speaker 5: think it's better shape than than we expected. It was
Speaker 5: totally they torn down a year ago.
Speaker 1: That was the thought.
Speaker 5: And yet Les Sneed said famously in the offseason, he's
Speaker 5: got those four weight bearing walls. Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald,
Speaker 5: Cooper cup I think Sean McVay was a weight bearing wall,
Speaker 5: and you know what they proved to be much more
Speaker 5: on it in terms of being optimistic about what this
Speaker 5: team could do in terms of a reset. But I've
Speaker 5: heard rams fans and there's there a couple in my
Speaker 5: house and thinking about like the next few years. Wow,
Speaker 5: they're really set up, and I don't think you want
Speaker 5: to get it twisted here. They have over forty million
Speaker 5: dollars in cap space. They can open up some stuff.
Speaker 5: They actually have some draft picks to play with, and
Speaker 5: I think they're going to want to keep that. I
Speaker 5: don't think they're going to want to get rid of
Speaker 5: all their draft picks suddenly. After having such a good
Speaker 5: draft class and seeing what that can do for an
Speaker 5: organization and having a first round pick this year. I
Speaker 5: don't think that's what they're going to do. But this
Speaker 5: isn't a long timeline. Matthew Stafford, how long can you
Speaker 5: expect him to stay healthy and be playing at this level.
Speaker 5: Certainly Aaron Donald the greatest player in in franchise history
Speaker 5: and one of the greatest players of all time. Certainly
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup the way we saw him, and they're not
Speaker 5: getting rid of Cooper Cup because of salary and everything.
Speaker 1: But this is closer to the end of their timeline.
Speaker 5: They have a window here for a year or two more,
Speaker 5: and so I'm just very curious about how aggressive they are.
Speaker 1: Going to be.
Speaker 5: And my instinct is extremely aggressive that they are going
Speaker 5: to see that this window is now the next two
Speaker 5: years here. And yes, we have this great rookie class
Speaker 5: Kyrin Williams made All Pro and Kobe Turner who gets
Speaker 5: Defensive Rookie of the Year and all that stuff. That's
Speaker 5: all great, but now is their window, and I think
Speaker 5: they are going to be as aggressive as any team,
Speaker 5: trying to bring in more firepower on both sides of ball,
Speaker 5: especially defense, but maybe some more weapons on the offensive
Speaker 5: side too, and one of the teams, to me, that's
Speaker 5: going to define the offseason because we've seen that they're
Speaker 5: not afraid to be aggressive.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great call.
Speaker 3: They did it a couple of years ago and we
Speaker 3: were like, oh, they bought that title on credit, and
Speaker 3: now they're gonna have to pay the price. Not if
Speaker 3: you're a well run, not if you know what to do.
Speaker 3: And that is great the way he explained that sneed
Speaker 3: because it's so true. If you have the pillars, whether
Speaker 3: you want to call him walls or pillars or whatever,
Speaker 3: construction stuff. If you have that that base, you could
Speaker 3: build around it pretty quickly.
Speaker 5: And they have like literally no dead money, and dead
Speaker 5: money is not a killer. They made them, they almost
Speaker 5: made they did make the playoffs. Was that much dead money?
Speaker 5: But they like eight, you know, tens and tens of
Speaker 5: millions of dollars in dead money last year.
Speaker 3: So it shouldn't be said now he's the defensive Kobe
Speaker 3: Turner is the defensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: Of Greg Rosenthal, I said, votes I think he's going
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 2: Called him it outright, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 4: He's in that world.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gotta he's probably.
Speaker 4: Gotta come in third if I had to get McVeigh
Speaker 4: came out, you know, and this is no surprise, completely
Speaker 4: strongly and said we're win one hundred percent behind Matthew
Speaker 4: Stafford for next season. I'm with you that you know
Speaker 4: that there is the health concern with.
Speaker 5: Stafford and Donald also confirmed they're both coming back whicheah.
Speaker 4: So you don't have it's not an immediate offseason thing.
Speaker 4: But like they put a fourth round pick into Stetson Bennett,
Speaker 4: one of the few players that didn't work out last year.
Speaker 4: It's like there is a world where you, if you're
Speaker 4: Saan McVay, you want to keep firing and bringing in
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and developing and getting something because that's the time.
Speaker 3: Though I think, I think, I think it is exactly
Speaker 3: money and that that costs resources. Don't you want to?
Speaker 4: I think saying like, not a high draft, keep bringing
Speaker 4: in quarterbacks and then then there'll be a time to go,
Speaker 4: maybe chase a veteran, but like you've got an MVP
Speaker 4: level quarterback for next season, and.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, like, use your any premium picks
Speaker 3: and your money, like build around him and go for it.
Speaker 1: Most likely. I agree.
Speaker 5: Oh though this is you know, by all accounts of
Speaker 5: really deep quarterback class, it would not surprise me at
Speaker 5: all if they look heavily into a first or second
Speaker 5: round quarterback, because now, to me is the time I
Speaker 5: really believe in that. I think the Packers have shown
Speaker 5: that that's a great way to do. I think the
Speaker 5: Patriots used to back in the day and it was smart.
Speaker 5: And maybe it's not your first round pick, but maybe
Speaker 5: maybe your second.
Speaker 3: See now, see now I don't agree with you anymore
Speaker 3: because I I I agreed with your initial conceit, but
Speaker 3: I would say that if you're going to go all
Speaker 3: in in this short window where you only got how
Speaker 3: many elite years left you have of Stafford and Donald
Speaker 3: and Cupp, you know, like this is the time.
Speaker 5: That was the hole that Cabo killed the Packers for
Speaker 5: taking love. I think they dedicate with free agency, with trade,
Speaker 5: certainly with their other draft picks. But they got to
Speaker 5: be feeling pretty good. They just got four more weight
Speaker 5: bearing walls. Maybe they're not walls quite yet, but four
Speaker 5: rookie starters who are going to play for them for
Speaker 5: four years without having a first round pick in a
Speaker 5: Vila and Byron Young, and so I think they'll feel
Speaker 5: confident that they can keep adding. But quarterback is a
Speaker 5: tricky spot.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Mark would I would point to a team
Speaker 4: that lost the Cleveland Browns and they had a, you know,
Speaker 4: a nice season. I mean it ended on a high
Speaker 4: note before the playoff game when you went out and
Speaker 4: got Flacco, and I think it's like cool, Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 4: might be the coach of the year, and a lot
Speaker 4: of this stuff was good, except you look at what's
Speaker 4: happened since today. They fire Stunt Mitchell, the running back
Speaker 4: coach who's a very good running backs coach and went
Speaker 4: through this entire journey without Nick Chubb. They fire their
Speaker 4: tight ends coach TC McCartney in a year when David
Speaker 4: Nijoku turned into like a top five tight end, they
Speaker 4: fired their offensive coordinator. So, I mean, there's the inside
Speaker 4: the building. There is a wanting to reimagine certain things,
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of that has to do
Speaker 4: with the quarterback that we were able to forget about
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson, but you can't forget about the other They're
Speaker 4: in their offseason mode now and they basically are looking
Speaker 4: at one of the nastiest cap situations in the league,
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson's. And I get it. You can finesse some
Speaker 4: of this and move it down the road, but you
Speaker 4: can't move it down the road forever. Deshaun Watson costs
Speaker 4: sixty three point nine million next year. That is a
Speaker 4: player who's not been worth one fifth of that right now.
Speaker 4: Amari Cooper cost twenty three million. You're only established wide
Speaker 4: receiver Denzel Ward oft injured good cornerback, very good cornerback
Speaker 4: cost twenty three million. Miles Garrett, no problem of this
Speaker 4: one costs twenty Jedrick Wills, Your up and down left
Speaker 4: tackle who's coming off a big injury costs eleven million,
Speaker 4: is getting more and more expensive, so it's like you're
Speaker 4: this top heavy roster. They essentially have the second most
Speaker 4: dead money in the league. There are eleven million dollars
Speaker 4: in the red with the second highest like cap charge.
Speaker 4: So it's like there, Andrew Berry did an awesome job
Speaker 4: last off season of adding a bunch of players that
Speaker 4: change that defense, and yet you remain a team that
Speaker 4: is somewhat hung out to dry by the trade you
Speaker 4: made for a quarterback that's done nothing to suggest that
Speaker 4: he's been worth that deal. And I think it just
Speaker 4: despite all the feel good Kevin Stefanski is back in
Speaker 4: a place where this can change so quickly, Like look
Speaker 4: at Nick sire on it. You can all change so
Speaker 4: fast if you're going to get another year of Deshaun
Speaker 4: Watson underperforming, not being the guy you wanted, and you
Speaker 4: can't surround him with the pieces he needs and are
Speaker 4: really thorny AFC North. It's like, I trust them because
Speaker 4: of what they did last off season, and I think
Speaker 4: they all proved, like GM coach, that they're very capable.
Speaker 4: But you're right back into a very tough situation and
Speaker 4: one of the tough offseason maneuverings around in the NFL,
Speaker 4: especially NAFC.
Speaker 2: This is just speculation, but.
Speaker 3: I wonder if the decision to make the move with
Speaker 3: some of those coaches is the organization kind of just
Speaker 3: moving forward and understanding that was a lot of fun
Speaker 3: with Joe and we got to the playoffs and it
Speaker 3: didn't work out how we wanted it to. But you know,
Speaker 3: Flaco is probably not coming back, but we are getting
Speaker 3: Nick chubbed back, and the offense with Deshaun Watson, who's
Speaker 3: still our guy, was not performing the way we were
Speaker 3: expecting it to before he exited the pictures, so they
Speaker 3: maybe they're judging some of that coaching staff based on
Speaker 3: what was going on with the Sean which is now
Speaker 3: going to be their offense once again. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it all as frustrating as it.
Speaker 2: Is, Gregy.
Speaker 3: A lot of this can be covered over these challenges
Speaker 3: if the QB now comes back healthy and performs at
Speaker 3: a high level. But now there's enough time that's passed
Speaker 3: since the Houston years and a very serious shoulder injury
Speaker 3: where you really have very real concerns, and it's also like, man,
Speaker 3: you gave him a fully guaranteed contract, right, which makes
Speaker 3: things infinitely more difficult.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they they will likely move the money around in
Speaker 5: his contract and open up a ton you can create
Speaker 5: like thirty million dollars a cap space like that.
Speaker 1: It's nothing, And I would anticipate this is.
Speaker 2: It was a five year deal. It's only a year three.
Speaker 5: It's only year three, so at this point they're not
Speaker 5: going to stop pushing that money. And when you look
Speaker 5: at the big number of this year, they made it
Speaker 5: that way last year, they already did it on purpose,
Speaker 5: knowing that they're going to move it again this year.
Speaker 5: I was I was pretty surprised they fired all these
Speaker 5: longtime coaches. Van Pie was there for a while, and
Speaker 5: Stefanski's an offensive coach, and I know he's the one
Speaker 5: calling the plays. But I think you're you're right Dan
Speaker 5: to say, uh, let's build an offense around Watson. Uh
Speaker 5: that because it wasn't really working with Watson and we
Speaker 5: need to make some changes.
Speaker 3: I want the Browns to shock the world, give a
Speaker 3: nice contract and be like, you go against Deshan this summer.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot of Browns fans out
Speaker 4: there obviously rooting hard for Baker Mayfield, and I mean,
Speaker 4: I think there's got to be something that's right, that wrong,
Speaker 4: that would be fat, that would be totally intriguing, and.
Speaker 3: Be like, Baker, we can't give you like a big contract,
Speaker 3: but we're not joking around here. You go against Watson
Speaker 3: this summer and we're gonna give you. We're gonna pick
Speaker 3: the best quarterback.
Speaker 5: That'll be a healthy atmosphere for everyone.
Speaker 2: All right, let's sift through some more wreckage.
Speaker 3: All right, I gotta move that's a toilet bowl up,
Speaker 3: there's a baby, got it?
Speaker 2: Say? All right? Moving on?
Speaker 3: Okay, dog collar, don't see the dog? Okay, here we go, Zaddy,
Speaker 3: there he is. What's up, Zaddy?
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, and I'm wondering.
Speaker 3: And by the time this podcast hits, who knows, maybe
Speaker 3: Zaddy's out of a job, in which case of apologies,
Speaker 3: but just still enjoy the conversation. I'm wondering if if
Speaker 3: the reason Mike McCarthy hasn't been fired yet is because
Speaker 3: Jerry is very seriously considering not firing Mike McCarthy. And
Speaker 3: I know that's not what people want to hear, because
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's not overly popular or seen as a difference maker.
Speaker 3: But I also see the other side of this, which
Speaker 3: is and one thing we didn't really dig into. We
Speaker 3: did mention on Sunday that Dak played poorly in the game,
Speaker 3: but in general, Dak has one more year left on
Speaker 3: his deal, and the reporting out there in early December was, oh,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys are very interested and probably still are in
Speaker 3: redoing the deal or extending the deal and making him
Speaker 3: the highest paid quarterback in the league. I wonder if
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones is having a little change of heart or
Speaker 3: if he's not, maybe he should not in the sense
Speaker 3: of let's get rid of Dak and trade him, which
Speaker 3: is I think insane. But do the kirk Cousins move
Speaker 3: and bring back McCarthy, who, as much as he's gotten heat,
Speaker 3: they've won twelve games three years in a row, and
Speaker 3: be like, I still do believe in this, And what
Speaker 3: McCarthy said on Sunday, we picked up a bad day
Speaker 3: to have a bad day, and if you believe in
Speaker 3: the organization, you make some moves to try to get
Speaker 3: the roster better and make twenty twenty four. Basically, we're
Speaker 3: all in with this corps one last time, and if
Speaker 3: it doesn't work. Not only is Zady gone, they can
Speaker 3: have a real conversation about Dak and whether he is
Speaker 3: the future of the organization if the goal is truly
Speaker 3: to win, Lombardi.
Speaker 1: Give him the contract or not, don't let him play.
Speaker 3: Out the contract, just like the Minnesota Vikings did. And
Speaker 3: he's got one year left on his deal. So I
Speaker 3: wonder if that's a conversation at the Star right now.
Speaker 3: And Jerah, who likes working with Mike McCarthy, and I
Speaker 3: think he believes in McCarthy, wants to maybe push this
Speaker 3: one more year, as much as that doesn't please I
Speaker 3: think people outside that building.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Jerah still believed.
Speaker 4: Like, the thing I could completely get on board with
Speaker 4: is not giving Dak a new contract, not making Dak
Speaker 4: Prescott the highest paid quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: I like, I here's the thing with the quarterback.
Speaker 4: He'll be the worst thing.
Speaker 5: About If you're a top I would say, thirteen quarterback,
Speaker 5: you will be the highest paid quarterback.
Speaker 2: In the league. Why that's Maybe that's wrong though.
Speaker 4: But why does that have to happen right now? Though?
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I guess I think it's fair to wonder,
Speaker 4: like to have a bit of a wandering eye. With
Speaker 4: the whole Dak Prescott experience, I get to like the
Speaker 4: like sample size, big season, Like he was right in
Speaker 4: that MVP conversation.
Speaker 5: It looks like he'll be the second I think he
Speaker 5: was the second team All Pro slightly over and he's thirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably just exhausted because I feel just exhaustion with
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott versus it's sometimes like looking at actually who
Speaker 4: he is.
Speaker 3: Technically the hot taker move here is just and that's
Speaker 3: almost what the Cowboys exist now just for uh hot
Speaker 3: talk radio and these talking head TV shows to have
Speaker 3: their mid January to February filled up. Like I'm not
Speaker 3: saying they should dump Dak and like Dak is actually
Speaker 3: the problem Mike McCarthy, who I love is I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: if it's truly if you want to look at this globally,
Speaker 3: it's a combination of everything and getting rid of McCarthy
Speaker 3: to bring someone else, but then keep right Jack, who
Speaker 3: has struggled mightily in the postseason. With the exception of
Speaker 3: a few cases, you might get the same results next.
Speaker 5: But the everything is Jerry Jones, Like that's the everything,
Speaker 5: because yes, they can run it back and I don't
Speaker 5: think that's crazy. And some respected reporters in Dallas are
Speaker 5: with you Dan that the longer this drags one, the
Speaker 5: more they think there's a chance for McCarthy that he
Speaker 5: is going to end up staying. But it's like, we
Speaker 5: just went through that all in one more time season
Speaker 5: and it's just tough with this team in general, because
Speaker 5: it's just a very tough spot. There's no easy answer
Speaker 5: because if you go through it all again, it's just
Speaker 5: all preamble to getting back to the playoffs again. And
Speaker 5: why why would we expect anything to be different again
Speaker 5: when it's been the exact same year after year. And
Speaker 5: yet I wouldn't blame them. I'm with you, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: blame the middle for keeping McCarthy. Maybe Dan Quinn is
Speaker 5: gone because he's getting so many coaching interviews and his
Speaker 5: defense more or less collapsed down the stretch. I mean
Speaker 5: it wasn't Eagles level, but I saw stat the five
Speaker 5: of his seven lowest EPA per play games in his
Speaker 5: entire tenure with the Cowboys were in the second half
Speaker 5: of this season, So they had some pretty bad defensive
Speaker 5: games and so that will be a bit of a shakeup.
Speaker 1: But it.
Speaker 5: It's tricky because like what like if you say, like, okay,
Speaker 5: this is it the last time, Like they kind of
Speaker 5: were saying that this year too, you know, and they
Speaker 5: were they talked so well and it all seemed different,
Speaker 5: and then it wasn't different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this will and this loss, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: was worse than the others the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: They were getting beat by truly big time teams. Not
Speaker 3: to take anything away from the Packers in their in
Speaker 3: their rise here, but that was That's the type of loss.
Speaker 3: If McCarthy does get fired, he does deserve it because there.
Speaker 2: Was just so much pressure on that game and they flop.
Speaker 3: But I just think it's a little bit if they
Speaker 3: go and fire him and bring in I don't know,
Speaker 3: Bobby Slowick, Like you still got Dak and you still
Speaker 3: got the same core of a team that melted down
Speaker 3: last year. Don't be surprised that we're having the same
Speaker 3: conversation next year, just with a different head coach.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing now, actually in this I don't think
Speaker 5: this is how to take you, but I think now
Speaker 5: would be the time to trade Dak his value, Like
Speaker 5: it wouldn't be after he's like you you play it
Speaker 5: out and you get to the franchise tag and it's
Speaker 5: kind of like a mid level year. And then it
Speaker 5: like if you want to be bold about it, be bold,
Speaker 5: because you get it, you'd get a ton. And I
Speaker 5: don't necessarily think it's like the best idea, but I
Speaker 5: do think NFL teams could be a little more like
Speaker 5: NBA teams, And like, considering this stuff with high level players.
Speaker 1: You go, imagine what you would get for Dak right.
Speaker 2: Now, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1: You would get it.
Speaker 5: You would maybe get a top five draft pick, you
Speaker 5: would get.
Speaker 2: An We've talked about it for years.
Speaker 3: Greg Garrod loves his stars and loyal to his stars,
Speaker 3: and he I think he sees Dak Prescott at a
Speaker 3: level of QB and in fairness, and it got a
Speaker 3: little quiet in the amongst the footballcent They the you know, Dak,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's got enough criticism for how poorly played.
Speaker 2: That game, for all the talk.
Speaker 3: And it's not just you, Greg, and I was I
Speaker 3: was very positive about thatac this year too, but like
Speaker 3: he flopped epically in that game, a game that the defense, yes,
Speaker 3: pooped the bed, but there was a world where Dak
Speaker 3: says effet that we're not going out like this. I'm
Speaker 3: putting up forty points too, and let's see what happens,
Speaker 3: and they just weren't up for it.
Speaker 2: So it's just like, how much longer do.
Speaker 3: We We could look at McCarthy because he's the easy
Speaker 3: target and he's a bigger target, but Bett.
Speaker 4: McCarthy is the easy target, but it's also a fair target.
Speaker 3: I didn't say it's unfair, but I'm saying, don't say
Speaker 3: this is McCarthy's fault and then not look at the QB.
Speaker 4: I'll look at both, and I'll look at the experience
Speaker 4: of the entire team. First of all, was a year
Speaker 4: ago when McCarthy's like, I'm gonna make my big move.
Speaker 4: I'm firing our offensive coordinator because I'm better. And look,
Speaker 4: their offense was great in a lot of ways, but
Speaker 4: collapsed at the exact same time they collapsed the year before.
Speaker 4: In the year before.
Speaker 3: It's like, but I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna say, like,
Speaker 3: I think they collapsed in large part because the QB
Speaker 3: played like on Sunday, Like I don't know how much.
Speaker 4: That happened on but that happened in big loss.
Speaker 2: I just don't know how much for the way that well, Okay, I.
Speaker 4: Mean I guess like you can, it's two pieces of
Speaker 4: the same pie. But I mean what we're talking about
Speaker 4: is like what you're talking about, I think for the
Speaker 4: most part is like four drives and that was it
Speaker 4: this season was the defense because because I disagree, like
Speaker 4: the defense had an all time meltdown and Dak couldn't
Speaker 4: afford to have four slow drives and that was all
Speaker 4: it was. It was like a couple of punts and
Speaker 4: it was those interceptions. And you're right, those four drives.
Speaker 4: I mean, the pick six ended the game.
Speaker 5: He was a disaster on those four drives, no argument,
Speaker 5: and the game was basically over after those four drives.
Speaker 1: After that, you know, it's like I think.
Speaker 4: If you're Jerry Jones, like you're in Texas and your
Speaker 4: minds exploding watching C. J. Stroud, who costs very little money, uh,
Speaker 4: executing like a team in this rookie season in the playoffs,
Speaker 4: where yours who is selling rated with like twenty five
Speaker 4: minute long press conferences and endless money melts down.
Speaker 3: You throw those press conferences and you spend that money
Speaker 3: like Jarah, Jerry's been telling us Dak is a Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame great for years now, right, we just haven't
Speaker 3: seen it.
Speaker 4: Cowboys are great. It's like, I don't. I kind of
Speaker 4: thing is like, these are just stories, they're storylines, narratives.
Speaker 4: I don't want to read this story again.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: But the thing that is so hard is it when
Speaker 5: you say everything to me, it's that's Jerry Jones. And
Speaker 5: so there's something here that you can't you can't put
Speaker 5: your finger on in terms of like they feel the
Speaker 5: heat in a big spot, because yeah, Dak had the
Speaker 5: worst four quarters of his life, I mean the worst
Speaker 5: four drives I would say of his career considering the spot,
Speaker 5: and then played well after that, but the game was
Speaker 5: basically over because of the defense. Like Michael Parsons had
Speaker 5: the worst day of his life, Stefan Gilmour had the
Speaker 5: worst day of his life. Zach Martin, you're the literally
Speaker 5: the best player since the Triplets left. Was getting dominated
Speaker 5: in that game, like they all know showed, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 5: know showed like Dan.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, what the what the hell?
Speaker 1: What do we do?
Speaker 4: Like organizational you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: With you?
Speaker 5: I'm Dak and he's the quarterback. But it's like everyone
Speaker 5: sucked and that's why.
Speaker 2: They're in a tough spot because I guess.
Speaker 3: The the kind of basic move is like fire the
Speaker 3: coach and they're having the same conversation with Philadelphia right now.
Speaker 3: But if you keep everything else for the most part,
Speaker 3: can you really expect a change because they.
Speaker 2: Obviously need to. All right, Uh, Greg, you want to
Speaker 2: do a quickie.
Speaker 5: I'll do a quickie on a team that is out
Speaker 5: of the playoffs. It's the Seattle Seahawks. John Schneider held
Speaker 5: a press conference on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: I just found you're not an alternate site. This is
Speaker 3: not the wild guard side. This is a site well,
Speaker 3: but they're reconstructing. They expected to be back in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They had that loss of the Steelers that knocked them out.
Speaker 3: They were in position.
Speaker 5: And this press conference was fascinating because it made first
Speaker 5: of all, Schneider, I don't know if you rubbed me
Speaker 5: the wrong way, but he was enjoying. He's the man now.
Speaker 5: It's very clear he has all the personnel say. He
Speaker 5: had no say over the old coaching staff. He didn't
Speaker 5: ultimately have the personnel say. With Pete Carroll, they made
Speaker 5: a choice. John Schneider's running this organization, and he said
Speaker 5: he wanted to modernize and get younger in their interview
Speaker 5: in Ben Johnson. They have like eight different interviews set
Speaker 5: up and we'll see which way they go. But I
Speaker 5: just I just thought it was interesting that, like, when
Speaker 5: it comes down to it, and Pete Carroll was very
Speaker 5: big about this, like John Schneider fired Pete Carroll in
Speaker 5: my mind, and it sounded like this was in the
Speaker 5: works for weeks and that ownership decided that we want
Speaker 5: to give Pete John Schneider a chance to go run
Speaker 5: this organization.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 5: He's been there a long time, they know him, and
Speaker 5: it was just I thought telling and that this thing
Speaker 5: that like it's all like he has now a ton
Speaker 5: of power compared to whatever coach is going to come
Speaker 5: in an interesting kind of twist on this reconstruction. I
Speaker 5: think got a little lost in the shuffle, understandably because
Speaker 5: we were all celebrating Pete Carroll as we should a
Speaker 5: week ago of like how this went down. It was
Speaker 5: kind of interesting that the owner.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like stunned that he has been elevated
Speaker 4: in power through all of this. Yes, I mean he
Speaker 4: won that tussle. If there was a tussle, it felt
Speaker 4: like a friendly tussle. But yes, he's the right guy
Speaker 4: to do that considering who else is there, which is
Speaker 4: essentially nobody. It will depend what coach like they hire
Speaker 4: in terms of how they work together. I mean, even
Speaker 4: on an interpersonal basis, I mean, I'd add to the
Speaker 4: Seahawks adventure Gino Smith because I know Pete Carroll in
Speaker 4: theories somewhere you know, in the building and has a say.
Speaker 4: But Gino Smith was Pete Carroll's guy, and I think
Speaker 4: that Gino Smith obviously deserved like a second look and
Speaker 4: more money and all this stuff after last season. But
Speaker 4: after this season, he's Gino Smith and he is what
Speaker 4: he is, and it's I know, on this show we've
Speaker 4: got like a Geno Smith debate all the time, But
Speaker 4: like you have to convince the next coach to have
Speaker 4: that same faith in him.
Speaker 1: And I think the coach, yeah, basically it might be.
Speaker 4: But like I think that's where the Schneider thing comes
Speaker 4: into it, where it's like.
Speaker 5: He wasn't effusive when they asked him about it. He said, well,
Speaker 5: I thought it was kind of like the flip side
Speaker 5: of Gino's first year where he started off a little
Speaker 5: slow this year and finished really strong, which was kind
Speaker 5: of the opposite of his first year, which.
Speaker 1: Was, you know, not great praise. But depends on who
Speaker 1: comes in.
Speaker 5: They've requested interviews with Patrick Graham, Frank Smith, who's McDaniels
Speaker 5: OC in Miami. I I have a feeling Frank Smith's
Speaker 5: going to get a job in this cycle. Raheem Morris,
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn, Ben Johnson. We'll see Schneider is signed through.
Speaker 3: His contract goes through the twenty twenty seven drafts, so
Speaker 3: he's locked in there. And this is just you know,
Speaker 3: he said this in the interview. Apologies if you already
Speaker 3: said it. Great, but our setup earlier was the coaching
Speaker 3: staff did not fall under my umbrella, and now it will.
Speaker 1: Yes, he really is there, you go, he is.
Speaker 5: God really emphasized that that I think he didn't love
Speaker 5: Carroll's staff choices, especially.
Speaker 2: On the defensive.
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily a Jodie Allen decision or choosing this
Speaker 3: person to that person.
Speaker 2: It's just a contractual situation. Okay, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that means.
Speaker 3: He also talked about keeping the positive nature of the
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll experience intact that as a must for whoever
Speaker 3: comes in. So make sure when you're interviewing for the
Speaker 3: Seahawks job, make that, by.
Speaker 2: The way, not for nothing.
Speaker 3: We all love Pete cow right, maybe the most famous
Speaker 3: gum chewer in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 4: Now he's out of a job, right, But I'd say
Speaker 4: you started chewing gum rough sixty seven years ago, So
Speaker 4: just say back to my industry.
Speaker 3: I'm giving, I'm giving. You're a little pop here, right.
Speaker 3: Maybe he was forced out because of gum.
Speaker 5: How about you know it's part of it because it
Speaker 5: didn't seem like this is happening because of his age here,
Speaker 5: But like I when people are like, oh, let's have
Speaker 5: part of it, like Belichick and Harbaugh, would be like
Speaker 5: a good shirt short term coach for a kind of
Speaker 5: ready made team, Like what are they called key ready team?
Speaker 5: I mean Pete Carroll to me, turkey turnkey, turnkey operation.
Speaker 5: Pete Carroll seems a little more like a good head
Speaker 5: coach for a turnkey operation in a short term environment
Speaker 5: than those two guys in a certain like is Pete
Speaker 5: Carroll coaching like the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Like would that be that crazy?
Speaker 5: I don't know, more so than Bill not get any buzz,
Speaker 5: so it doesn't seem like this is happening. But to me,
Speaker 5: that actually makes more sense to me as like a
Speaker 5: guy who's gonna come in that's already ready and just
Speaker 5: try to win for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Like anybody that's coaching the Cowboys is doomed. They're just doomed.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Like maybe that's the only thing we should have said before,
Speaker 3: Like this organization is just swarming with ghosts now, and
Speaker 3: you need, like Peter Vankman, if you really want to
Speaker 3: find your way out of this. What Pete going down there?
Speaker 3: See that positivity gets zapped away in the middle of January. Oh,
Speaker 3: we're not sure what happened. Everything just changed. Pete's got it,
Speaker 3: HET's got the ghosts. Good Ghostbusters reference.
Speaker 2: There an you name any of the Ghostbusters characters, Bill Murray,
Speaker 2: not the actor characters.
Speaker 4: No salt in the theater.
Speaker 2: Though you saw the first the first.
Speaker 4: One, yeah, I mean as a child, I mean young person.
Speaker 3: Eighty four, I saw I saw the second one eighty nine. Sneaky, terrifying.
Speaker 3: The movies in the eighties that were supposed to be
Speaker 3: kid friendly many times had elements that I just wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for the fact that the painting. I
Speaker 3: was scared aim to life and he was a horrific man.
Speaker 2: That was scary.
Speaker 3: There's also a scene where a witch flies in from
Speaker 3: the sky into this high rise condo in New York
Speaker 3: and never steals the baby.
Speaker 2: Takes a good.
Speaker 4: Situation for anyone involves other than the witch.
Speaker 2: I didn't sleep well. I'm gonna tell you that you
Speaker 2: have a quickie, Mark.
Speaker 4: I will, I will, I will keep this quick. This
Speaker 4: is a team that, like you know, hit wreckage two
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and we almost never talked about this team,
Speaker 4: the Commanders, but I think collateral damage of what's happened
Speaker 4: to two teams in the Cowboys and Eagles that we
Speaker 4: saw as Super Bowl potential teams. Now look where the
Speaker 4: Commanders are after after decades of looking like flotsam jetsum
Speaker 4: and like nobody's nobody's apple of the eye, they suddenly
Speaker 4: they have a new GM and Adam Peters who came
Speaker 4: from the Niners, and all words are that, like he
Speaker 4: was very valuable to that Niners team being built the
Speaker 4: way that.
Speaker 5: He felt like the bell of the GM ball absolutely
Speaker 5: like the most competitive high. He's like the Ben Johnson
Speaker 5: of the GMS this year, and they paid him a
Speaker 5: lot of money.
Speaker 4: And Ben Johnson people are suggesting that no matter who
Speaker 4: they go talk to that Ben Johnson is likely the
Speaker 4: number one target as your head coach. So that pairing
Speaker 4: right there is intriguing. And the number two pick, second
Speaker 4: overall pick. It was on my list, Greg, I will
Speaker 4: get to it. Six top picks in the top one hundred,
Speaker 4: they have the most cap space in the.
Speaker 2: Least just step on his number two overall take.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just like I have a simple list. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to get through. But they have a laundry list
Speaker 4: of draft picks. And I think find like a capable GM.
Speaker 4: And because you traded Montes Sweat and Chase young away,
Speaker 4: it's like I would want Sweats still potentially I would,
Speaker 4: But like Ron rivera somehow exited the organization with doing
Speaker 4: like an anti Levey Smith. He could not have been
Speaker 4: a better soldier from wire to wire for that organization
Speaker 4: and left with them in great shape For the next coach.
Speaker 2: In Gas, somebody to fail at dignity. Ron River's your man.
Speaker 4: He will be your man. I just think like if
Speaker 4: the Eagles are what we think they are right now,
Speaker 4: and they're going to go through a lot of flux
Speaker 4: and change, and maybe the quarterback isn't who we thought,
Speaker 4: and the Cowboys continue to sit and spin on this plan,
Speaker 4: or they're going to bring everyone back and be the
Speaker 4: same thing. Like the Commanders. They got a long way
Speaker 4: to go, but they are one of these teams that
Speaker 4: you can see the rebuild if they get the right
Speaker 4: quarterback happening closer to like a Houston Texans type situation
Speaker 4: than something that takes three or four years, So keep
Speaker 4: an eye on that day.
Speaker 2: I'm just not ready to talk about the Commanders right now.
Speaker 4: It's just more. It's it's much more because to Dallas
Speaker 4: and Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Though I've blocked them out mentally, to me, those teams
Speaker 3: don't exist. They're on that list of teams that do
Speaker 3: not exist for me right now. So I don't even
Speaker 3: know who you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Okay, well they've been flushed, they're gone, but.
Speaker 1: We will talk about it.
Speaker 4: I had been a joy being part of this experience.
Speaker 2: No, but Greg was way into it.
Speaker 4: I know he was, so you Yeah, you kind of
Speaker 4: snapped at Greg.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't even hear you were the Charlie Brown
Speaker 3: teacher when you were talking about whatever that I don't.
Speaker 2: Even remember the name.
Speaker 4: I see. That is the role that I continually play
Speaker 4: on this show, and according to your ears, so I
Speaker 4: will keep doing that.
Speaker 3: Oh Mark, Oh Mark, How I love the quick one.
Speaker 3: I'm annoyed on the Eagles. If I'm Jeffrey Lourie and
Speaker 3: Bradley Cooper, I'm sitting down with Jason Kelcey and it's
Speaker 3: not talking about retirement or any of that, although it
Speaker 3: looks like he's retiring, but I'm gonna just find out.
Speaker 2: I just need the dirt. Man. You just got to
Speaker 2: give me.
Speaker 3: Tell me the real stuff, because I know you get
Speaker 3: it and you see tell me if the coaches need
Speaker 3: to go, tell me.
Speaker 2: Which guys are cancers in the locker room?
Speaker 3: Do the organization this one last solid, and let us
Speaker 3: know what the hell happened here, because I think Jason
Speaker 3: Kelsey is the type of dude that could give you
Speaker 3: some straight answers. Because I think beyond Nick Sierian Syriani's
Speaker 3: inability to stop the bleeding, I think there was some
Speaker 3: maybe bad apples in that locker room and the chemistry
Speaker 3: of the team went south. Too, and that happens in
Speaker 3: all different sports. So somebody has to tell Bradley Cooper
Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Lourie who stays and who goes. And my
Speaker 3: other point is that Julio Jones and it was sad
Speaker 3: to see him exit with a concussion and what might
Speaker 3: be his last game. He's like the Simpsons. I was
Speaker 3: thinking about this the first ten years. Just the best,
Speaker 3: maybe the best ever, one of the best ever. But
Speaker 3: I just hang around so long it's starting to dilute,
Speaker 3: Like how great he was. I just want Julio Jones
Speaker 3: to retire now.
Speaker 4: I think I think he could be going. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's also sort of the American Office on some level too,
Speaker 4: which crashed and burned hard at the end where it
Speaker 4: was likely we've solved all these storylines. It's been great,
Speaker 4: and you're still on for four more years? Will you
Speaker 4: need to make money?
Speaker 5: We get it, everyone had to pay the bills. Will
Speaker 5: be a Hall of Famer someday. Ye know, if Matt
Speaker 5: Ryan had just put it on his hands a little
Speaker 5: more in that wild Card game, Eagles maybe never win
Speaker 5: that Super Bowl. People kind of forget the Falcons had
Speaker 5: a real chance at that had a one on one
Speaker 5: matchup and Ryan skies it out of the end zone.
Speaker 5: I'm like, second down, I believe, I'm with you. I
Speaker 5: have a feeling this Eagles news one way or another
Speaker 5: is coming today.
Speaker 1: So no need to say too much more.
Speaker 4: We have a show tomorrow, so we do. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: could say more than clean up the wreckage of this
Speaker 4: segment on tomorrow's show. How about that.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Yes, it is the divisional round preview, so we'll break
Speaker 3: down all the games.
Speaker 2: And they're all excellent. I mean there's not.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, someone sneaks through the wildcard round and
Speaker 3: it's a nice story, and then you start getting toward
Speaker 3: the next week of foot Player, like, eh, now you're
Speaker 3: gonna get killed.
Speaker 4: We're cleaning them up next.
Speaker 3: And now instead of like four great games, we're gonna
Speaker 3: have this one game that sucks and then we have
Speaker 3: to hope the other. No, I think you can make
Speaker 3: a for every game here, Greg, give me one game
Speaker 3: you're certain about the outcome on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Now I don't. I don't have one.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 4: Texans beat Ravens.
Speaker 2: Oh, you want it, you need it.
Speaker 4: It's happening.
Speaker 2: You want it, you need it. I have to follow it.
Speaker 2: I have. Well, that's that's a good tease.
Speaker 3: I have to follow up on what I said on Sunday,
Speaker 3: which is one of those teams the Darlings, the Texans,
Speaker 3: and the Packers will win. So I got to pick
Speaker 3: one of them? Will you lock up a team? That's
Speaker 3: These are all things that we need to talk about. Yes,
Speaker 3: Winston z Moore, Raymond Stands, and doctor Egon.
Speaker 2: Spangler were the rest of the Ghostbusters with doctor Peter Bankman.
Speaker 4: Which one was Murray.
Speaker 2: Doctor Okay, Peter Veakman.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised.
Speaker 4: I don't know you are so plugged in on this film.
Speaker 2: I haven't young children.
Speaker 3: I've watched the Ghostbuster films many times in the last
Speaker 3: five years.
Speaker 5: Ghostbusters has had a surprising long shelf life. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: say it had like a huge impact on my upbringing,
Speaker 5: although I do have a lot of the Bobby Brown
Speaker 5: Vego rap memorized in my head. But I was surprised
Speaker 5: at there to do it Halloween. How many little kids
Speaker 5: are still wearing Ghostbusters gear. So it's still happened.
Speaker 4: Well, the new movie that came out was very good.
Speaker 4: I thought too, that hooked them back in. I mean
Speaker 4: that happened to My kids too.
Speaker 2: Got the stranger things. Kids in it always are smart.
Speaker 2: We'll get rud involved.
Speaker 4: It's a natural. That's when you do keep recreating because
Speaker 4: it's like kids and ghosts at least.
Speaker 2: Got it well together. Thank you, Paul Rudd. All right,
Speaker 2: that's it. We'll be back on Thursday. Until then, you
Speaker 2: know what you need to do. Heed the call.