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Speaker 2: That pizza was great.

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Speaker 3: Mark from the Chris Lastling podcast studio, it's around the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan hanss Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler heroes both

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Speaker 3: what pizza.

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Speaker 2: Are we referring tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: I mean no, because like we were just talking before

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Speaker 4: the show that we now you know we regularly read

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Speaker 4: ads for iHeart part of the gig. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 4: it's it's we're happy to do it obviously, like on

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Speaker 4: to varying degrees and like, uh, I you know, I

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Speaker 4: don't know how they pick what we're each being tagged

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Speaker 4: to read. But I got a de journal one that

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Speaker 4: is nationally It's like, uh, now you poured your heart

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Speaker 4: into the and I actually have eaten to journal pizza

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Speaker 4: and I do believe in it. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: give them. I want them to come back with a

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Speaker 4: second spot and maybe in a more of a bundle

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Speaker 4: of an offer for me to continue to pitch them.

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Speaker 4: But like I will say, like I believe in the

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Speaker 4: product largely, and I put my heart into the read

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Speaker 4: and I've I've had people call me up from you know,

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Speaker 4: other parts of the country and so they just heard you,

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Speaker 4: uh doing a pizza on my.

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Speaker 5: I feel a little conflicted here, Yeah, conflicted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because this Friday.

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Speaker 5: You know, sometimes I mentioned I do the pic show

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Speaker 5: with Patrick and Cynthia, the game debut of course Friday,

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Speaker 5: you guys can see the debut a PM Eastern of

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Speaker 5: the Little Caesar's in Show ad that we filmed weeks back.

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Speaker 5: So it's a bit of a conflict here. For Multiple Pizza.

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Speaker 2: You guys have the whole thing covered.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Multiple pie houses want us to speak for them.

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Speaker 3: So I think there is a certain absurdist humor to

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Speaker 3: Mark doing a read for any food product.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I got a lot of that, but it's like

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Speaker 4: you have seen me eat pizza.

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Speaker 1: That would be so you.

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Speaker 5: Would be a great sponsor because you'd be like, I

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Speaker 5: don't like much food and go, but this food satisfies

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Speaker 3: I think to really get the cross promotion going with

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Speaker 3: the journal, it's it's now taking that the first read

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Speaker 3: was a little shock and awe and now adding some nuances.

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Speaker 2: Be like, listen, Hi, I'm Mark. I don't like food,

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Speaker 2: but what I must eat.

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Speaker 1: Right, I like to pitch.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not like I need more more of

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Speaker 4: a more weight in the creative process here. They just

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Speaker 4: kind of gave me the text last time. But I

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Speaker 2: If you want to cook the meal, you better let

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Speaker 2: me shop for the grocers.

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Speaker 1: I am Mark.

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Speaker 5: On a typical nine hour day at the office, I

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Speaker 5: just drink seventeen coffees and then.

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Speaker 1: Like a root beer. But I'll eat some disorta.

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Speaker 3: But I believe that I've seen you eat pizza. It's

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Speaker 3: one of the foods I have. Yeah, you eat. This

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Speaker 3: is the Wednesday edition of Around the NFL. This is

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Speaker 3: you know, that nice little you're that buffer zone. So

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Speaker 3: where we've moved away, we've moved out of the port

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Speaker 3: of wild Card Super wild Card weekend, and we have

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Speaker 3: our preview episode of the Divisional Round, the best weekend

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Speaker 3: of football of the year, coming up tomorrow. But for today,

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Speaker 3: I think it will be a good kind of sifting through,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest, the wreckage, sifting through the wreckage stag

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Speaker 3: of Super wild Card weekend and figuring out some of

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Speaker 3: these teams that you know, didn't it didn't go their way.

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Speaker 2: What happens next? So we got that coming up.

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Speaker 3: But before we do, all right, once again, it's turning

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Speaker 3: into the uh Jimmy Kimmel was saying, oh, we ran

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Speaker 3: out of time for Matt Damon situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I did tease Colleen coming back, but listen, I don't

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Speaker 3: even need I don't have to get into it, and

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Speaker 3: straight weeks I've teased Colleen on the show. Next week,

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Speaker 3: maybe you know what, Let's go for it next week.

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Speaker 1: Colleen returns looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: I should have double checked with her, but I just assumed.

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Speaker 3: Not in the movie came out in nineteen ninety five. Well,

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Speaker 4: He elevated the phrase, no doubt. All right, let's get

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Speaker 6: Came out of his ex wife's body, came out of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even gonna give the context. If you

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Speaker 3: missed that episode, you just just know Greg had comments

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Speaker 2: But let's start with Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Tomlin was the subject of a lot

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Speaker 3: reporter for ESPN, Brooke Pryor, asked.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know you got one year left on your contract.

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Speaker 3: Tomlin gave a little look and then walked right out

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting even how it's reported here Greg

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Speaker 3: So assuming Pittsburgh there's not a disconnect here, it will

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we know he's a man of his word, but

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Speaker 5: I am very curious just to watch what happens this

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Speaker 5: That's new, and I just wonder if him walking off

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Speaker 5: Tomlin is interested in like maybe I will go into

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Speaker 4: I guess also because like when you argued that Belichick

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Speaker 4: like coaches are unwise to do that. And if you're

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Speaker 4: And if you get to next end of next season

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Speaker 5: He's also twenty years younger than Belgium. Could be a

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Speaker 1: Maybe it would take him becoming a free agent.

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Speaker 2: To do that.

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Speaker 3: In other news, the New Orleans Saints make moves on

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Speaker 3: their coaching staff, headlined by Pete Carmichael Junior, the longest

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Speaker 2: He will not return to the Saints in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: The head coach, Dennis Allen announced that on Tuesday, they're

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Speaker 3: And you know, eighteen years, which eighteen season with the Saints.

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Speaker 1: It's literally longer than any head coach in the league.

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Speaker 2: And obviously you know right, yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Is Tomlin is now that longest ten year head coach.

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Speaker 3: He was a member of Sean Payton's original coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: He arrived as the QB coach in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 4: They are making changes, just not at the top, I

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Speaker 5: He was the interim before the other interim came back, right,

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Speaker 4: like when you hear like you listen to Jordan Rodrieg's

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Speaker 4: They want to be part of it, they want to create,

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Speaker 5: It's it's the way of like keeping the head coach.

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Speaker 5: But hey, we are making a change, and that's fine.

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Speaker 5: It has been the same system. I mean, it's Sean

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Speaker 5: Payton's system. They were average on offense the last two years.

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Speaker 5: They weren't much better with Car. They did finish better offensively,

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Speaker 3: Right, and you know, if they don't get better next year,

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Speaker 2: Good luck, Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 7: Here's his first three seasons six and ten, seven and nine,

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Speaker 3: And I want to address the musiphonia, which I'm coming

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Speaker 2: You got to look beyond that.

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Speaker 7: You know, what are the reasons why we were nine

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Speaker 2: And look, it's it's collective.

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Speaker 7: It's the players, it's the coaches, it's me, it's our personnel, staff,

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Speaker 3: I love that Saints Fans despise Dennis Allen. And then

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Speaker 3: The first thing you do is you talk that way,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I you know, I was doing a

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Speaker 3: Maybe Jamis Wiston should be the quarterback because there is

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Speaker 2: In this situation.

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Speaker 3: You're not helping Mickey Loomis Dennis Allen by invoking some

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I don't know if he's counting Dennis Sounds raiding.

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Speaker 5: I love it days. I do love it because if

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Speaker 4: He oh boy, he is the best in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: And and P mar Carmichael was like this too, at

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Speaker 5: he was running the Pelicans. That was a long term

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know he's not still running the Pelicans anymore.

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Speaker 2: Don't you gum like that unless you are completely safe.

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Speaker 5: And he's got like he's got the media people that

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Speaker 2: In his own fan base.

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Speaker 3: Gregie, Yeah, the way he was and I'm joking but serious,

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Speaker 3: to come out publicly like, I'd be pulling my hair

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Speaker 3: this is the guy that's leading us right now, like

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Speaker 1: Does that magic with the cap? You know, year after.

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Speaker 4: Year, there's also, you know, not a lot of years

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Speaker 1: Right making a change.

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Speaker 5: I think when everyone hears like, oh, Dennis Allen isn't

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 4: Maybe this is just like I'm basing this off of

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Speaker 4: like gauging children, but like fewer adults are walking around

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Speaker 4: chewing gum then than in the past. Do you I

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Speaker 4: used to chew gum all the time. I don't ever

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Speaker 4: that's just me. But like, if you walk around seeing

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Speaker 3: Oh well, if you're talking like bubblicious, no, but people

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Speaker 3: I think that's still an industry that's thriving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thriving, Yeah, I mean it.

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Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, we also live in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe this is like a healthier because I do think

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Speaker 1: Just like cigarettes, right and well, there's that.

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Speaker 4: That's that is there's a link right there.

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Speaker 5: I have found an article in the Atlantic Mark that

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Speaker 5: So it's lost the little juice. Let's break it. Let's

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Speaker 4: That is a significant decline, by the way, yeah, for

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Speaker 2: Want to see your data. I want to see your sources.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's the.

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Speaker 5: Atlantic, it's not a Atlantic. How chewing gum lost its

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Speaker 5: cultural cachet? Mark, You're always it's by Mark Sessler. Wow,

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Speaker 5: that is good.

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Speaker 1: That is crazy.

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Speaker 5: I will counter that with a article is called It's

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Speaker 5: just not cool anymore?

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Speaker 2: Not ask me.

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Speaker 4: That's true that I know, but he does not.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The global chewing gum market is forecasted to make sales

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Speaker 3: amounting to forty eight point six eight billion US dollars

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Speaker 1: So it's still huge. I'm just saying not antil what

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Fifty billion is fifty billion of me.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's fine, Like I think Greg's study tells them.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like how people are like, oh, TV

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Speaker 5: It's like, okay, but you still have these advertisers paying

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Speaker 5: millions of dollars and millions, So it's it's on the

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Speaker 5: downslope a big gum.

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Speaker 1: You're not going.

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Speaker 4: Thirty two percent is a notable number.

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Speaker 2: Based on sales per region.

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Speaker 3: The largest market for chewing gum can be found in Europe,

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Speaker 3: ranked third. Okay, where the beloved chewy candy sales are

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Speaker 3: expected to reach three point five billion US dollars by

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Speaker 4: You keep doing.

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever went uh no one ever went broke betting

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean, the the awful stick gums

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Speaker 2: They've fruit strip striping.

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Speaker 5: It's literally gone that has been continue like if you

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Speaker 3: Know it's a wild thing still on the market, you

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Speaker 3: are you know, everyone knows. They were sold in pouches,

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Speaker 3: and it's packaging is literally packaged in tobacco.

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Speaker 2: In the same way the chewing tobacco, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Big league chew was jackpot of gum in many ways.

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Speaker 4: I'd love juicy fruit as a sort of less sweet

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Speaker 3: By the way, somebody gives me a slice of big

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Speaker 3: Red right now, I'm going Loomis on.

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Speaker 4: The jewels, weird piece of gum.

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Speaker 2: I'm going full Loomis, okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: In other news, the Falcons Man, the falcons are casting

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Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh. So you go, you go Belichick, Harball, back

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Speaker 3: to back Belichick the most successful NFL coach ever, Harball,

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Speaker 2: You would think so.

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Speaker 5: And they have we have a tracker for coaches and interviews.

442
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 5: They have requested and started interviews with other candidate's like

443
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 5: Mike McDonald, the Ravens coordinator, and Bobby Slowak the Texans.

444
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 5: So they have had some a Giro Evereu the Panthers,

445
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 5: so they've dipped into that pool too, And yet it

446
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 5: feels like they're the only team that's gone Harbob Belichick.

447
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Speaker 1: What a world that to me?

448
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 5: That Jim Harbor and Bill Belichick are competing for a

449
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Speaker 5: head coaching job in the year twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like Harpball's come vaguely close there was interest

451
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 4: with the Vikings two years ago. In the I think

452
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 4: he wanted the Chargers job a year ago also, which.

453
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 5: Makes sense he wanted the Broncos job last year too.

454
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 5: They shot him down. I mean I thought that when

455
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 5: Michigan won that title, I was like, you got to

456
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 5: give a thanks to the Vikings and the Broncos for

457
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Speaker 5: turning him down.

458
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Falcons though. It's like I could

459
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Speaker 4: see Belichick being like, if I want the Falcons job,

460
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 4: it's okay that we don't have a quarterback because I

461
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 4: can do my Bill Belichick things and we'll find one.

462
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Speaker 4: But like Jim Harbaugh, almost I feel like from the

463
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 4: hit the ground running needs to be attached to like

464
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: a promising young quarterback. I don't like the idea of

465
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Speaker 4: him going two years with the chaos.

466
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Speaker 5: They've had, the buzzes. He might want a draft one,

467
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Speaker 5: depending on where he goes. JJ McCarthy, his quarterback at

468
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 5: Michigan who's seen as kind of like a late first

469
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Speaker 5: second round type of guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in fairness to Harball, I don't think he's

471
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Speaker 3: one of those coaches that can't be successful unless you

472
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Speaker 3: give him a star quarterback.

473
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Speaker 2: When he came to San Francisco.

474
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Speaker 3: Alex Smith was a draft bust YEP turned him in

475
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 3: to a big time player, and then Colin Kaepernick took

476
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 3: the league over for a while, and obviously in Michigan

477
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: has found ways to make that organization.

478
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Speaker 4: He just doesn't seem like someone that's gonna hang around

479
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 4: for nine years somewhere. So it's like, you don't want.

480
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: No, you're kind of signing up, I think, And that

481
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: might be the trepidation. Trepidation for a lot of these

482
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 3: teams going back to last year is you know what

483
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna get. He's gonna be painting the ass. He's

484
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: gonna be maybe even Monihacal. You're probably gonna butt heads

485
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Speaker 3: with him by the end of year one. But he's

486
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Speaker 3: been successful everywhere he's gone, So that's it. A deal

487
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: with the devil feels strong. But you're you know, if

488
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: you're getting into bed with Harbaugh, you make your team better,

489
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a huge painting.

490
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Speaker 4: You'll be the center of attention.

491
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Speaker 5: I'm waiting for one of these, you know, dominoes to

492
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Speaker 5: drop here. And part of it is, as we're taping,

493
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 5: we don't know about the Eagles and the Cowbies, and

494
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Speaker 5: maybe that's holding things up. And then you also have

495
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Speaker 5: the guys that are in the playoffs like McDonald and

496
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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson. Feels like the bell of the ball that

497
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 5: the Lions, Oh see, who's gonna get one of the

498
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 5: those jobs? So that's holding things up a little too.

499
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Speaker 1: And I like that. You don't need to have this

500
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: be such a like mad dash.

501
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: All right.

502
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Speaker 3: In other news, we talked about on Monday night that

503
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Speaker 3: the Patriots quickly moved on from Bill Belichick by promoting

504
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Speaker 3: Drowd Mayo to head coach, and on Wednesday, the Patriots

505
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: held a introductory press conference for Mayo.

506
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Speaker 2: Here's a little bit.

507
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Speaker 8: From the wet walls need to be knocked down in

508
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 8: your opinion, what relationships need to be rebuilt?

509
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: And Robert you can take it as well.

510
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, as we evaluate the players, the scheme and things

511
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 8: like that, I think you have to evaluate the culture

512
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 8: and evaluate how the pieces fit. I will say this,

513
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 8: like my philosophy, I don't want to be in an

514
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Speaker 8: echo chamber. I just don't. I want people who are

515
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 8: going to be honest and open and then hopefully come

516
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Speaker 8: together and make a sound decision.

517
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Speaker 5: That was really a theme I watched your odd mayos man.

518
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 5: It was like whiplash watching that compared to a Bill

519
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 5: Belgick conference where he's just like joking around.

520
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: He wasn't nervous at all.

521
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 5: You can see how he could be a charismatic speaker

522
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 5: but also pretty loose. But he hit that pretty hard

523
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 5: that he was lessened to the schemes and how everything's

524
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 5: going to look and more about developing people and really

525
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: like he was trying to he was as respectful as

526
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 5: possible to Belichick but saying kind of like this needs

527
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 5: to not just be a one man operation. I want

528
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 5: to listen to everyone in the building. Our insider ian

529
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 5: pointed out how like literally like assistant coaches aren't allowed

530
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Speaker 5: to talk to people walking by them in the hallway,

531
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 5: like media people like that sort of stuff, like your

532
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 5: key card only gets you into certain rooms. And I

533
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: think that was what Mayo was talking about. It's just like,

534
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 5: let's take away the skull and crossbones stuff about being

535
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 5: the Patriots, that it's so dark and everything, and let's

536
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 5: like develop players and be human. And that was sort

537
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 5: of what he talked about, is he was worried more

538
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 5: about like I want to develop these guys and be

539
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 5: their leader and everything else will fall into his place.

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Speaker 4: And this was a totally different in terms of Lavarians.

541
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: You can get with Robert Craft, a different version of

542
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 4: Robert Craft in this press conference where he opened up

543
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 4: talking about the fact that you know, he has been

544
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 4: close to Durrod Mayo since two thousand and eight when

545
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: they drafted him and got to know him really well.

546
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Speaker 4: I mean, drot Mail calls Robert Craft. This kind of

547
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: blew my mind and I love it. And I was like,

548
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: would this ever been the nickname Bill Belichick uses for

549
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: Robert Craft? He calls him Thundercat.

550
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 5: I was so confused because he kept talking about thunder

551
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 5: that's calling the whole time relationship, and I missed that

552
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 5: that was actually Robert Kraft, and he just kept talking

553
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Speaker 5: about it.

554
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Speaker 1: I was like, who is this thunder guy?

555
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 4: I mean, but I think the thing is because the

556
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: Belichick thing I just got so stale over the last

557
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 4: year and a half. Like this felt like such a

558
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 4: sea change, and I kind of think that behind the

559
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: scenes Mayo and Craft, like their relationship has was there

560
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: a bit of a hey, things could change, and I

561
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: have some ideas and like, you know, a lot of it.

562
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Speaker 2: I think he Mayo refers to Kraft is thunder the

563
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: other way around.

564
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, thunder Witch is short for young thundercat

565
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: dude to what he calls the eighty two years old's

566
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: young heart because he's friends with Meek Mill.

567
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Speaker 2: That's why there's other reasons anywhere.

568
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has a very young wife. I mean not

569
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Speaker 5: as young as you know when when he met her.

570
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 5: Uh No, she's older now, well right, she's he is

571
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 5: older than me.

572
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Speaker 1: So I'm saying very.

573
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Speaker 2: Talk about wives, Greg, because I know where you're going next.

574
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Speaker 5: I couldn't even remember what what body part, what I

575
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 5: was even talking about.

576
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: Back then.

577
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 5: They didn't talk any Steve Belichick, by the way, But

578
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Speaker 5: it's funny you mess what you were talking about, by

579
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Speaker 5: the way, Yes, Robert Kraft.

580
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Speaker 2: From when Steve Belichick emerged.

581
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Speaker 5: Yes, uh and maybe maybe he'll stick around, maybe not.

582
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Speaker 5: There were no specifics really about what what Mayo is

583
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Speaker 5: going to do. Uh, but Kraft compared Mayo to his

584
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 5: new wife Dana, and to Bill Belichick and to his

585
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 5: first wife Myra and said, like.

586
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Speaker 1: These checking the boxes. I just go with my gut.

587
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Speaker 5: And that's the only time I've had these feelings about

588
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: certain people. And I knew it in a day, and

589
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: I sort of knew that about Jirad Mayo in a day,

590
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 5: And this was always my plan, and and it spoke

591
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 5: to larger things that it sounds like they're just going

592
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 5: to be promoting from within for their GM and front office,

593
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: that they are going to look at outside people. But

594
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 5: he was kind of like, it's my motto my company.

595
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: Other NFL teams are different that I'd rather develop from within,

596
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 5: and we have a lot of good people from within,

597
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna specify blah blah blah.

598
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: There was very one, very succession type moment where there

599
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: were some penetrating questions like, well, why is Jonathan Kraft

600
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 4: not even here, like you know, we some would think

601
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: he's running the whole thing behind.

602
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: The sees, is not a serious person.

603
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: Well he's basically you did say these like he didn't

604
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: say that, but he's like, you know, the Craft family

605
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 4: has so many businesses that Jonathan Kraft is dealing with

606
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 4: it with an almost emergency type situation in one of

607
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 4: our companies and couldn't be here today.

608
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Speaker 2: It just kind of just like, Okay, we'll see.

609
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: I still think Greg will be talking about it as

610
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: the months pass that.

611
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: Oh, Robert's more involved than he's ever been.

612
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 5: He he was with decision making, right he they they

613
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: asked him that question and he said, you know, I

614
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 5: guess it's a young Thundercat, right. Young Thundercat said, it's

615
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: gotta be the same as it's always been. We don't

616
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 5: get involved with that at all. We're gonna trust them

617
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 5: to do their jobs. We know what we don't know.

618
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 5: We look at it like we're fans. The only time

619
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 5: we get involved is if there's some sort of character

620
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: issue thing in other than that, we're gonna trust him.

621
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Speaker 5: There was one moment which I legitimately the whole thing

622
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: made me feel better about the Drowd Mayo thing. And

623
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 5: we'll see he's in a very difficult spot. But you know,

624
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 5: he said, I'm not trying to be Bill Belichick. You

625
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 5: can see that, and that's good. But there was a

626
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: moment where they asked, you know, whether because he had

627
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: said it was important it meant a lot to him

628
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: to be the first black head coach of the Patriots,

629
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Speaker 5: And they asked Robert Kraft, is it important to you

630
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 5: that he's the first black head coach? And Kraft had

631
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: this answer, like, I don't see color. That doesn't matter

632
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: to me. He just happened to be the best man

633
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: for the job, and I thought the way. Mayo then

634
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 5: took what Kraft just said and answered it said a

635
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 5: lot about him.

636
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 8: I do see color, because I believe if you don't

637
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 8: see color, you can't see racism and whatever whatever happens black, white,

638
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 8: disabled person. I've always even someone with disabilities, I always,

639
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 8: you know, for the most part, people are like, you know,

640
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 8: don't you know when they're young, they kind of make

641
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 8: the spot hot. Younger people know what that means. But

642
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 8: what I would say is like, no, I want you

643
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 8: to be able to go up to those people, really

644
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 8: understand those people. So it goes back to whatever it is, black, white, yellow,

645
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 8: it really doesn't matter, but it does matter so we

646
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 8: can try to fix the problem that we all know

647
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 8: we have.

648
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: For him to say that right next to Kraft after

649
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 5: Kraft said that, I thought it was telling and it

650
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: was great, and I just think it just shows he's

651
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 5: not afraid and he kind of knows being a black

652
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 5: coach in Boston's going to be tricky. A lot of

653
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 5: people I already saw it to it, like, aren't gonna

654
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: even like those comments.

655
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Like it's a says a lot about him.

656
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Speaker 5: I think that he could have the respective craft to

657
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Speaker 5: kind of go against what Kraft just said right next

658
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Speaker 5: to him and address kind of a serious topic but

659
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Speaker 5: in a totally respectable and respectful way and be like, yeah,

660
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 5: you're like, I am the first black coach for the Patriots,

661
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 5: and like, I know that that might be a thing,

662
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 5: and I don't know.

663
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: I think, well, I think.

664
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: It's about a bit of an outdated cliche for someone

665
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: that is open minded about things and race relations to

666
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: say that I don't see color. That's now not necessarily

667
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: the way to go about it, But twenty years ago

668
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: or whatever, that's what everyone would say if you were

669
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 3: trying to express yourselves in a certain way. Boston sports

670
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: has a horrendous history when it comes to the black

671
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: players and coaches. And look at all the major teams,

672
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: whether it's the Red Sox of Celtics and the Patriots,

673
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: and I know Belgic's been there forever, but twenty twenty

674
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: four it took to get your first black coach.

675
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: You know that was obviously overdue. Let's see, how.

676
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: Mister Mayo, I gotta defend I got to defend my Celtics,

677
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 5: at least the organization, not the fans. They broke a

678
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 5: lot of boundaries. Of course, Bill Russell as a as

679
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: a head coach early in the NBA, I think a

680
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 5: first winning championship, stuff like that and bringing players in.

681
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: But you're you're absolutely right. It's it's a little thorny.

682
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: And that's why I thought that moment it was.

683
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 3: That was pretty interesting, that Bill Russell documentary, eye opening

684
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: what he went through. Okay, let's uh, let's take a

685
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: break and then when we get back, we will and

686
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: this is an easy work. But we've brought the uh,

687
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: we've brought the wrecking ball out. We've brought all the

688
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: trucks are rolling in the back hose, and we are

689
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: sifting through the wreckage of wild Card weekend, common men.

690
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: That's what it's about.

691
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: We'll be right back and welcome back, all right. I

692
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: was just saying that we're sifting through the wreckage.

693
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: Here. Here's what I wanted one to be doing.

694
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Mark, I want you to be in one of the trucks.

695
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: But you know, on a construduction site, there's just always

696
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: one guy, even if it's just rubble, just shooting water somewhere.

697
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: You just hammer in an area with water, just with

698
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: a big ol' hose. Wet it down, just wet it down.

699
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: Sure that sounds like one of the easier jobs on

700
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: the site.

701
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: But okay, I'm going to be actually in a collared

702
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: shirt with the sleeves rolled up and some papers and

703
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: just like talking to people. Okay on the Wow, Okay, Greg,

704
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: you are in you know how there's always a trailer.

705
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're in the trailer.

706
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: And nobody's actually out working.

707
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: You're no, you're you're answering phones and you're you're like

708
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: setting things.

709
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: Upon and then uh and then Eric, you and Randy.

710
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: Doing that work.

711
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: We got shovels, shovels and wheelbarrows.

712
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: And you got the you got your your tats are

713
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: out because you have the T shirt and you're looking

714
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: pretty good.

715
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: And Randy's grinding as well. I like that. That's that's

716
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: how I see it. Look, what is it? What do

717
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: you guys?

718
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 9: I think what you described is you guys had the

719
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 9: white helmets on and we have the yellow helmets. I

720
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 9: think that's the higherarchy on most constructions.

721
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 5: I like that you positioned it as common men, but

722
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 5: then put us all in like mid level middle management

723
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: office jobs, the people that everyone out is whispering about

724
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: the jerks.

725
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

726
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: Mark probably is is more scene as able to kind

727
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: of travel. He's code switching because you're you're just you're

728
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: plasting that water in there. But that's to soften up

729
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: the rocks and the soil for those guys to have

730
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: to take.

731
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: The I'm helping them if anything, and I so I

732
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: care about their plight, and you know, I think that

733
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: the common man is also equipped to just talk about

734
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: disasters versus cleaning them up.

735
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 9: And that's what we Randy pointed out that Mark might

736
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 9: be oshas to make sure everything's up to the code.

737
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: He's a code guy. Osha Rolls in Cess dog eating

738
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: is the yourno's.

739
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: They're still doing those spots.

740
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: There's a microwave in that trailer.

741
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, I'll after I got my

742
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: sleeves rolled up, I pop into the trailer.

743
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: You go in the trailer. Greg's already in the trailer.

744
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: We're just feasting on the grenos and then well we've

745
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: been working hard, so it's not you know.

746
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: And then he's like, We're like, oh, there's a couple

747
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: of slices left. Should we tell Eric and Randy? And

748
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: then Greg's like.

749
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 5: Now let's say no, I would never be that be

750
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 5: that guy, you know, a couple slices.

751
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it.

752
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're at the site, We're at the demo site,

753
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: and uh, it's time to start figuring out what to

754
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: make of, you know, the situation, and we're going to

755
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: get to Uh. It's not we can talk about any

756
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: of the teams that are playing this upcoming weekend. That's

757
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: certainly welcome, but I think a good focus of this

758
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: segment is going to be around who's not playing and

759
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: what comes next?

760
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: And Greg, do you want to get us going? Uh?

761
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: At the construction site, we've gotta sift through this wreckage

762
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: and what are you taking out of it?

763
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: How is it? Mark?

764
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 5: You know, the rams are are a site that I

765
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 5: think it's better shape than than we expected. It was

766
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: totally they torn down a year ago.

767
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: That was the thought.

768
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: And yet Les Sneed said famously in the offseason, he's

769
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 5: got those four weight bearing walls. Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald,

770
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: Cooper cup I think Sean McVay was a weight bearing wall,

771
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: and you know what they proved to be much more

772
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 5: on it in terms of being optimistic about what this

773
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 5: team could do in terms of a reset. But I've

774
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 5: heard rams fans and there's there a couple in my

775
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 5: house and thinking about like the next few years. Wow,

776
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: they're really set up, and I don't think you want

777
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: to get it twisted here. They have over forty million

778
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 5: dollars in cap space. They can open up some stuff.

779
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 5: They actually have some draft picks to play with, and

780
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 5: I think they're going to want to keep that. I

781
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 5: don't think they're going to want to get rid of

782
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: all their draft picks suddenly. After having such a good

783
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 5: draft class and seeing what that can do for an

784
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 5: organization and having a first round pick this year. I

785
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 5: don't think that's what they're going to do. But this

786
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 5: isn't a long timeline. Matthew Stafford, how long can you

787
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: expect him to stay healthy and be playing at this level.

788
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 5: Certainly Aaron Donald the greatest player in in franchise history

789
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: and one of the greatest players of all time. Certainly

790
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup the way we saw him, and they're not

791
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 5: getting rid of Cooper Cup because of salary and everything.

792
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: But this is closer to the end of their timeline.

793
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 5: They have a window here for a year or two more,

794
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 5: and so I'm just very curious about how aggressive they are.

795
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: Going to be.

796
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: And my instinct is extremely aggressive that they are going

797
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 5: to see that this window is now the next two

798
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 5: years here. And yes, we have this great rookie class

799
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 5: Kyrin Williams made All Pro and Kobe Turner who gets

800
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: Defensive Rookie of the Year and all that stuff. That's

801
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: all great, but now is their window, and I think

802
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 5: they are going to be as aggressive as any team,

803
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 5: trying to bring in more firepower on both sides of ball,

804
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 5: especially defense, but maybe some more weapons on the offensive

805
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: side too, and one of the teams, to me, that's

806
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: going to define the offseason because we've seen that they're

807
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 5: not afraid to be aggressive.

808
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 2: I think it's a great call.

809
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: They did it a couple of years ago and we

810
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: were like, oh, they bought that title on credit, and

811
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: now they're gonna have to pay the price. Not if

812
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: you're a well run, not if you know what to do.

813
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: And that is great the way he explained that sneed

814
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: because it's so true. If you have the pillars, whether

815
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: you want to call him walls or pillars or whatever,

816
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: construction stuff. If you have that that base, you could

817
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: build around it pretty quickly.

818
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: And they have like literally no dead money, and dead

819
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 5: money is not a killer. They made them, they almost

820
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: made they did make the playoffs. Was that much dead money?

821
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: But they like eight, you know, tens and tens of

822
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: millions of dollars in dead money last year.

823
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: So it shouldn't be said now he's the defensive Kobe

824
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: Turner is the defensive rookie of the year.

825
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Of Greg Rosenthal, I said, votes I think he's going

826
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: to get.

827
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 2: Called him it outright, but I could be wrong.

828
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: He's in that world.

829
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gotta he's probably.

830
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 4: Gotta come in third if I had to get McVeigh

831
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: came out, you know, and this is no surprise, completely

832
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: strongly and said we're win one hundred percent behind Matthew

833
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: Stafford for next season. I'm with you that you know

834
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: that there is the health concern with.

835
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: Stafford and Donald also confirmed they're both coming back whicheah.

836
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: So you don't have it's not an immediate offseason thing.

837
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: But like they put a fourth round pick into Stetson Bennett,

838
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 4: one of the few players that didn't work out last year.

839
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: It's like there is a world where you, if you're

840
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: Saan McVay, you want to keep firing and bringing in

841
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and developing and getting something because that's the time.

842
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: Though I think, I think, I think it is exactly

843
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: money and that that costs resources. Don't you want to?

844
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 4: I think saying like, not a high draft, keep bringing

845
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: in quarterbacks and then then there'll be a time to go,

846
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: maybe chase a veteran, but like you've got an MVP

847
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: level quarterback for next season, and.

848
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, like, use your any premium picks

849
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: and your money, like build around him and go for it.

850
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: Most likely. I agree.

851
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 5: Oh though this is you know, by all accounts of

852
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: really deep quarterback class, it would not surprise me at

853
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 5: all if they look heavily into a first or second

854
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 5: round quarterback, because now, to me is the time I

855
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 5: really believe in that. I think the Packers have shown

856
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 5: that that's a great way to do. I think the

857
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 5: Patriots used to back in the day and it was smart.

858
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: And maybe it's not your first round pick, but maybe

859
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 5: maybe your second.

860
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: See now, see now I don't agree with you anymore

861
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: because I I I agreed with your initial conceit, but

862
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: I would say that if you're going to go all

863
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: in in this short window where you only got how

864
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: many elite years left you have of Stafford and Donald

865
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: and Cupp, you know, like this is the time.

866
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 5: That was the hole that Cabo killed the Packers for

867
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: taking love. I think they dedicate with free agency, with trade,

868
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: certainly with their other draft picks. But they got to

869
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 5: be feeling pretty good. They just got four more weight

870
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: bearing walls. Maybe they're not walls quite yet, but four

871
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 5: rookie starters who are going to play for them for

872
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 5: four years without having a first round pick in a

873
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 5: Vila and Byron Young, and so I think they'll feel

874
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: confident that they can keep adding. But quarterback is a

875
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: tricky spot.

876
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Mark would I would point to a team

877
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: that lost the Cleveland Browns and they had a, you know,

878
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 4: a nice season. I mean it ended on a high

879
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: note before the playoff game when you went out and

880
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: got Flacco, and I think it's like cool, Kevin Stefanski

881
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: might be the coach of the year, and a lot

882
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: of this stuff was good, except you look at what's

883
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: happened since today. They fire Stunt Mitchell, the running back

884
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 4: coach who's a very good running backs coach and went

885
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 4: through this entire journey without Nick Chubb. They fire their

886
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 4: tight ends coach TC McCartney in a year when David

887
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 4: Nijoku turned into like a top five tight end, they

888
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 4: fired their offensive coordinator. So, I mean, there's the inside

889
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 4: the building. There is a wanting to reimagine certain things,

890
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of that has to do

891
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 4: with the quarterback that we were able to forget about

892
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson, but you can't forget about the other They're

893
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: in their offseason mode now and they basically are looking

894
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: at one of the nastiest cap situations in the league,

895
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson's. And I get it. You can finesse some

896
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: of this and move it down the road, but you

897
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: can't move it down the road forever. Deshaun Watson costs

898
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 4: sixty three point nine million next year. That is a

899
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: player who's not been worth one fifth of that right now.

900
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: Amari Cooper cost twenty three million. You're only established wide

901
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: receiver Denzel Ward oft injured good cornerback, very good cornerback

902
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 4: cost twenty three million. Miles Garrett, no problem of this

903
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: one costs twenty Jedrick Wills, Your up and down left

904
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: tackle who's coming off a big injury costs eleven million,

905
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: is getting more and more expensive, so it's like you're

906
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: this top heavy roster. They essentially have the second most

907
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: dead money in the league. There are eleven million dollars

908
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: in the red with the second highest like cap charge.

909
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 4: So it's like there, Andrew Berry did an awesome job

910
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: last off season of adding a bunch of players that

911
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 4: change that defense, and yet you remain a team that

912
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: is somewhat hung out to dry by the trade you

913
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 4: made for a quarterback that's done nothing to suggest that

914
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: he's been worth that deal. And I think it just

915
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: despite all the feel good Kevin Stefanski is back in

916
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 4: a place where this can change so quickly, Like look

917
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: at Nick sire on it. You can all change so

918
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 4: fast if you're going to get another year of Deshaun

919
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: Watson underperforming, not being the guy you wanted, and you

920
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: can't surround him with the pieces he needs and are

921
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 4: really thorny AFC North. It's like, I trust them because

922
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: of what they did last off season, and I think

923
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: they all proved, like GM coach, that they're very capable.

924
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: But you're right back into a very tough situation and

925
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: one of the tough offseason maneuverings around in the NFL,

926
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: especially NAFC.

927
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: This is just speculation, but.

928
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: I wonder if the decision to make the move with

929
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: some of those coaches is the organization kind of just

930
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: moving forward and understanding that was a lot of fun

931
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: with Joe and we got to the playoffs and it

932
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: didn't work out how we wanted it to. But you know,

933
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: Flaco is probably not coming back, but we are getting

934
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: Nick chubbed back, and the offense with Deshaun Watson, who's

935
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: still our guy, was not performing the way we were

936
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: expecting it to before he exited the pictures, so they

937
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: maybe they're judging some of that coaching staff based on

938
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: what was going on with the Sean which is now

939
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: going to be their offense once again. And yeah, I

940
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: think it all as frustrating as it.

941
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: Is, Gregy.

942
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: A lot of this can be covered over these challenges

943
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: if the QB now comes back healthy and performs at

944
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: a high level. But now there's enough time that's passed

945
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: since the Houston years and a very serious shoulder injury

946
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: where you really have very real concerns, and it's also like, man,

947
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: you gave him a fully guaranteed contract, right, which makes

948
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: things infinitely more difficult.

949
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, they they will likely move the money around in

950
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 5: his contract and open up a ton you can create

951
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: like thirty million dollars a cap space like that.

952
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: It's nothing, And I would anticipate this is.

953
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: It was a five year deal. It's only a year three.

954
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: It's only year three, so at this point they're not

955
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: going to stop pushing that money. And when you look

956
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: at the big number of this year, they made it

957
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: that way last year, they already did it on purpose,

958
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 5: knowing that they're going to move it again this year.

959
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: I was I was pretty surprised they fired all these

960
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: longtime coaches. Van Pie was there for a while, and

961
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 5: Stefanski's an offensive coach, and I know he's the one

962
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: calling the plays. But I think you're you're right Dan

963
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 5: to say, uh, let's build an offense around Watson. Uh

964
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 5: that because it wasn't really working with Watson and we

965
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: need to make some changes.

966
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 3: I want the Browns to shock the world, give a

967
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: nice contract and be like, you go against Deshan this summer.

968
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot of Browns fans out

969
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 4: there obviously rooting hard for Baker Mayfield, and I mean,

970
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 4: I think there's got to be something that's right, that wrong,

971
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 4: that would be fat, that would be totally intriguing, and.

972
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: Be like, Baker, we can't give you like a big contract,

973
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: but we're not joking around here. You go against Watson

974
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: this summer and we're gonna give you. We're gonna pick

975
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: the best quarterback.

976
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: That'll be a healthy atmosphere for everyone.

977
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's sift through some more wreckage.

978
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: All right, I gotta move that's a toilet bowl up,

979
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: there's a baby, got it?

980
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: Say? All right? Moving on?

981
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: Okay, dog collar, don't see the dog? Okay, here we go, Zaddy,

982
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: there he is. What's up, Zaddy?

983
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, and I'm wondering.

984
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: And by the time this podcast hits, who knows, maybe

985
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: Zaddy's out of a job, in which case of apologies,

986
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: but just still enjoy the conversation. I'm wondering if if

987
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: the reason Mike McCarthy hasn't been fired yet is because

988
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: Jerry is very seriously considering not firing Mike McCarthy. And

989
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: I know that's not what people want to hear, because

990
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's not overly popular or seen as a difference maker.

991
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: But I also see the other side of this, which

992
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: is and one thing we didn't really dig into. We

993
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: did mention on Sunday that Dak played poorly in the game,

994
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: but in general, Dak has one more year left on

995
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: his deal, and the reporting out there in early December was, oh,

996
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: the Cowboys are very interested and probably still are in

997
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: redoing the deal or extending the deal and making him

998
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: the highest paid quarterback in the league. I wonder if

999
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones is having a little change of heart or

1000
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: if he's not, maybe he should not in the sense

1001
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: of let's get rid of Dak and trade him, which

1002
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: is I think insane. But do the kirk Cousins move

1003
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: and bring back McCarthy, who, as much as he's gotten heat,

1004
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: they've won twelve games three years in a row, and

1005
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: be like, I still do believe in this, And what

1006
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: McCarthy said on Sunday, we picked up a bad day

1007
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 3: to have a bad day, and if you believe in

1008
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: the organization, you make some moves to try to get

1009
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: the roster better and make twenty twenty four. Basically, we're

1010
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: all in with this corps one last time, and if

1011
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 3: it doesn't work. Not only is Zady gone, they can

1012
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: have a real conversation about Dak and whether he is

1013
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 3: the future of the organization if the goal is truly

1014
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: to win, Lombardi.

1015
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: Give him the contract or not, don't let him play.

1016
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: Out the contract, just like the Minnesota Vikings did. And

1017
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: he's got one year left on his deal. So I

1018
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: wonder if that's a conversation at the Star right now.

1019
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: And Jerah, who likes working with Mike McCarthy, and I

1020
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: think he believes in McCarthy, wants to maybe push this

1021
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: one more year, as much as that doesn't please I

1022
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: think people outside that building.

1023
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: I wonder if Jerah still believed.

1024
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 4: Like, the thing I could completely get on board with

1025
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: is not giving Dak a new contract, not making Dak

1026
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: Prescott the highest paid quarterback in the league.

1027
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: I like, I here's the thing with the quarterback.

1028
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 4: He'll be the worst thing.

1029
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 5: About If you're a top I would say, thirteen quarterback,

1030
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 5: you will be the highest paid quarterback.

1031
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: In the league. Why that's Maybe that's wrong though.

1032
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 4: But why does that have to happen right now? Though?

1033
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I guess I think it's fair to wonder,

1034
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: like to have a bit of a wandering eye. With

1035
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: the whole Dak Prescott experience, I get to like the

1036
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: like sample size, big season, Like he was right in

1037
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: that MVP conversation.

1038
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 5: It looks like he'll be the second I think he

1039
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 5: was the second team All Pro slightly over and he's thirty.

1040
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably just exhausted because I feel just exhaustion with

1041
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott versus it's sometimes like looking at actually who

1042
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: he is.

1043
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: Technically the hot taker move here is just and that's

1044
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: almost what the Cowboys exist now just for uh hot

1045
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: talk radio and these talking head TV shows to have

1046
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: their mid January to February filled up. Like I'm not

1047
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: saying they should dump Dak and like Dak is actually

1048
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: the problem Mike McCarthy, who I love is I'm just saying, like,

1049
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: if it's truly if you want to look at this globally,

1050
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: it's a combination of everything and getting rid of McCarthy

1051
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: to bring someone else, but then keep right Jack, who

1052
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: has struggled mightily in the postseason. With the exception of

1053
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: a few cases, you might get the same results next.

1054
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 5: But the everything is Jerry Jones, Like that's the everything,

1055
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 5: because yes, they can run it back and I don't

1056
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 5: think that's crazy. And some respected reporters in Dallas are

1057
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 5: with you Dan that the longer this drags one, the

1058
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: more they think there's a chance for McCarthy that he

1059
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 5: is going to end up staying. But it's like, we

1060
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 5: just went through that all in one more time season

1061
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 5: and it's just tough with this team in general, because

1062
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 5: it's just a very tough spot. There's no easy answer

1063
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 5: because if you go through it all again, it's just

1064
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 5: all preamble to getting back to the playoffs again. And

1065
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: why why would we expect anything to be different again

1066
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: when it's been the exact same year after year. And

1067
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 5: yet I wouldn't blame them. I'm with you, I wouldn't

1068
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 5: blame the middle for keeping McCarthy. Maybe Dan Quinn is

1069
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 5: gone because he's getting so many coaching interviews and his

1070
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 5: defense more or less collapsed down the stretch. I mean

1071
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: it wasn't Eagles level, but I saw stat the five

1072
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 5: of his seven lowest EPA per play games in his

1073
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 5: entire tenure with the Cowboys were in the second half

1074
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 5: of this season, So they had some pretty bad defensive

1075
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 5: games and so that will be a bit of a shakeup.

1076
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: But it.

1077
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 5: It's tricky because like what like if you say, like, okay,

1078
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 5: this is it the last time, Like they kind of

1079
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 5: were saying that this year too, you know, and they

1080
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 5: were they talked so well and it all seemed different,

1081
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 5: and then it wasn't different.

1082
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, this will and this loss, don't get me wrong,

1083
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 3: was worse than the others the last couple of years.

1084
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: They were getting beat by truly big time teams. Not

1085
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: to take anything away from the Packers in their in

1086
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 3: their rise here, but that was That's the type of loss.

1087
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: If McCarthy does get fired, he does deserve it because there.

1088
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: Was just so much pressure on that game and they flop.

1089
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: But I just think it's a little bit if they

1090
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: go and fire him and bring in I don't know,

1091
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: Bobby Slowick, Like you still got Dak and you still

1092
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: got the same core of a team that melted down

1093
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: last year. Don't be surprised that we're having the same

1094
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: conversation next year, just with a different head coach.

1095
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 5: Here's the thing now, actually in this I don't think

1096
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 5: this is how to take you, but I think now

1097
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: would be the time to trade Dak his value, Like

1098
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 5: it wouldn't be after he's like you you play it

1099
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 5: out and you get to the franchise tag and it's

1100
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 5: kind of like a mid level year. And then it

1101
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 5: like if you want to be bold about it, be bold,

1102
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 5: because you get it, you'd get a ton. And I

1103
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 5: don't necessarily think it's like the best idea, but I

1104
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 5: do think NFL teams could be a little more like

1105
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 5: NBA teams, And like, considering this stuff with high level players.

1106
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: You go, imagine what you would get for Dak right.

1107
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: Now, we've talked about that.

1108
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: You would get it.

1109
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 5: You would maybe get a top five draft pick, you

1110
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 5: would get.

1111
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 2: An We've talked about it for years.

1112
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: Greg Garrod loves his stars and loyal to his stars,

1113
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 3: and he I think he sees Dak Prescott at a

1114
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: level of QB and in fairness, and it got a

1115
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: little quiet in the amongst the footballcent They the you know, Dak,

1116
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't think he's got enough criticism for how poorly played.

1117
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: That game, for all the talk.

1118
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: And it's not just you, Greg, and I was I

1119
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: was very positive about thatac this year too, but like

1120
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 3: he flopped epically in that game, a game that the defense, yes,

1121
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: pooped the bed, but there was a world where Dak

1122
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: says effet that we're not going out like this. I'm

1123
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: putting up forty points too, and let's see what happens,

1124
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: and they just weren't up for it.

1125
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: So it's just like, how much longer do.

1126
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 3: We We could look at McCarthy because he's the easy

1127
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: target and he's a bigger target, but Bett.

1128
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 4: McCarthy is the easy target, but it's also a fair target.

1129
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: I didn't say it's unfair, but I'm saying, don't say

1130
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: this is McCarthy's fault and then not look at the QB.

1131
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 4: I'll look at both, and I'll look at the experience

1132
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 4: of the entire team. First of all, was a year

1133
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: ago when McCarthy's like, I'm gonna make my big move.

1134
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 4: I'm firing our offensive coordinator because I'm better. And look,

1135
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 4: their offense was great in a lot of ways, but

1136
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: collapsed at the exact same time they collapsed the year before.

1137
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 4: In the year before.

1138
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 3: It's like, but I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna say, like,

1139
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: I think they collapsed in large part because the QB

1140
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: played like on Sunday, Like I don't know how much.

1141
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 4: That happened on but that happened in big loss.

1142
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: I just don't know how much for the way that well, Okay, I.

1143
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: Mean I guess like you can, it's two pieces of

1144
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 4: the same pie. But I mean what we're talking about

1145
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 4: is like what you're talking about, I think for the

1146
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: most part is like four drives and that was it

1147
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: this season was the defense because because I disagree, like

1148
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 4: the defense had an all time meltdown and Dak couldn't

1149
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 4: afford to have four slow drives and that was all

1150
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: it was. It was like a couple of punts and

1151
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: it was those interceptions. And you're right, those four drives.

1152
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: I mean, the pick six ended the game.

1153
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 5: He was a disaster on those four drives, no argument,

1154
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 5: and the game was basically over after those four drives.

1155
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: After that, you know, it's like I think.

1156
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: If you're Jerry Jones, like you're in Texas and your

1157
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: minds exploding watching C. J. Stroud, who costs very little money, uh,

1158
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: executing like a team in this rookie season in the playoffs,

1159
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: where yours who is selling rated with like twenty five

1160
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 4: minute long press conferences and endless money melts down.

1161
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: You throw those press conferences and you spend that money

1162
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: like Jarah, Jerry's been telling us Dak is a Hall

1163
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 3: of Fame great for years now, right, we just haven't

1164
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: seen it.

1165
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 4: Cowboys are great. It's like, I don't. I kind of

1166
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 4: thing is like, these are just stories, they're storylines, narratives.

1167
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to read this story again.

1168
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: Right.

1169
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 5: But the thing that is so hard is it when

1170
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 5: you say everything to me, it's that's Jerry Jones. And

1171
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 5: so there's something here that you can't you can't put

1172
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: your finger on in terms of like they feel the

1173
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: heat in a big spot, because yeah, Dak had the

1174
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 5: worst four quarters of his life, I mean the worst

1175
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 5: four drives I would say of his career considering the spot,

1176
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 5: and then played well after that, but the game was

1177
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: basically over because of the defense. Like Michael Parsons had

1178
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 5: the worst day of his life, Stefan Gilmour had the

1179
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 5: worst day of his life. Zach Martin, you're the literally

1180
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: the best player since the Triplets left. Was getting dominated

1181
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 5: in that game, like they all know showed, Mike McCarthy

1182
00:53:59,320 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: know showed like Dan.

1183
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, what the what the hell?

1184
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: What do we do?

1185
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: Like organizational you know what I mean?

1186
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: With you?

1187
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 5: I'm Dak and he's the quarterback. But it's like everyone

1188
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 5: sucked and that's why.

1189
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: They're in a tough spot because I guess.

1190
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: The the kind of basic move is like fire the

1191
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: coach and they're having the same conversation with Philadelphia right now.

1192
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: But if you keep everything else for the most part,

1193
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: can you really expect a change because they.

1194
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: Obviously need to. All right, Uh, Greg, you want to

1195
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: do a quickie.

1196
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: I'll do a quickie on a team that is out

1197
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 5: of the playoffs. It's the Seattle Seahawks. John Schneider held

1198
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 5: a press conference on Tuesday.

1199
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: I just found you're not an alternate site. This is

1200
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: not the wild guard side. This is a site well,

1201
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: but they're reconstructing. They expected to be back in the playoffs.

1202
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: They had that loss of the Steelers that knocked them out.

1203
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: They were in position.

1204
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 5: And this press conference was fascinating because it made first

1205
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 5: of all, Schneider, I don't know if you rubbed me

1206
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 5: the wrong way, but he was enjoying. He's the man now.

1207
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 5: It's very clear he has all the personnel say. He

1208
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 5: had no say over the old coaching staff. He didn't

1209
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 5: ultimately have the personnel say. With Pete Carroll, they made

1210
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 5: a choice. John Schneider's running this organization, and he said

1211
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 5: he wanted to modernize and get younger in their interview

1212
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 5: in Ben Johnson. They have like eight different interviews set

1213
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 5: up and we'll see which way they go. But I

1214
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 5: just I just thought it was interesting that, like, when

1215
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 5: it comes down to it, and Pete Carroll was very

1216
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 5: big about this, like John Schneider fired Pete Carroll in

1217
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 5: my mind, and it sounded like this was in the

1218
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 5: works for weeks and that ownership decided that we want

1219
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 5: to give Pete John Schneider a chance to go run

1220
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 5: this organization.

1221
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: That's great.

1222
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 5: He's been there a long time, they know him, and

1223
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: it was just I thought telling and that this thing

1224
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 5: that like it's all like he has now a ton

1225
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 5: of power compared to whatever coach is going to come

1226
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 5: in an interesting kind of twist on this reconstruction. I

1227
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 5: think got a little lost in the shuffle, understandably because

1228
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 5: we were all celebrating Pete Carroll as we should a

1229
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 5: week ago of like how this went down. It was

1230
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 5: kind of interesting that the owner.

1231
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 4: I don't feel like stunned that he has been elevated

1232
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 4: in power through all of this. Yes, I mean he

1233
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: won that tussle. If there was a tussle, it felt

1234
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 4: like a friendly tussle. But yes, he's the right guy

1235
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: to do that considering who else is there, which is

1236
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 4: essentially nobody. It will depend what coach like they hire

1237
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 4: in terms of how they work together. I mean, even

1238
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 4: on an interpersonal basis, I mean, I'd add to the

1239
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: Seahawks adventure Gino Smith because I know Pete Carroll in

1240
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 4: theories somewhere you know, in the building and has a say.

1241
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: But Gino Smith was Pete Carroll's guy, and I think

1242
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: that Gino Smith obviously deserved like a second look and

1243
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 4: more money and all this stuff after last season. But

1244
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 4: after this season, he's Gino Smith and he is what

1245
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: he is, and it's I know, on this show we've

1246
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: got like a Geno Smith debate all the time, But

1247
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: like you have to convince the next coach to have

1248
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: that same faith in him.

1249
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: And I think the coach, yeah, basically it might be.

1250
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 4: But like I think that's where the Schneider thing comes

1251
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 4: into it, where it's like.

1252
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 5: He wasn't effusive when they asked him about it. He said, well,

1253
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 5: I thought it was kind of like the flip side

1254
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 5: of Gino's first year where he started off a little

1255
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: slow this year and finished really strong, which was kind

1256
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 5: of the opposite of his first year, which.

1257
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: Was, you know, not great praise. But depends on who

1258
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: comes in.

1259
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 5: They've requested interviews with Patrick Graham, Frank Smith, who's McDaniels

1260
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 5: OC in Miami. I I have a feeling Frank Smith's

1261
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 5: going to get a job in this cycle. Raheem Morris,

1262
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn, Ben Johnson. We'll see Schneider is signed through.

1263
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: His contract goes through the twenty twenty seven drafts, so

1264
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: he's locked in there. And this is just you know,

1265
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: he said this in the interview. Apologies if you already

1266
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: said it. Great, but our setup earlier was the coaching

1267
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: staff did not fall under my umbrella, and now it will.

1268
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: Yes, he really is there, you go, he is.

1269
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 5: God really emphasized that that I think he didn't love

1270
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 5: Carroll's staff choices, especially.

1271
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: On the defensive.

1272
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily a Jodie Allen decision or choosing this

1273
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: person to that person.

1274
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: It's just a contractual situation. Okay, I don't know what

1275
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: that means.

1276
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: He also talked about keeping the positive nature of the

1277
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll experience intact that as a must for whoever

1278
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 3: comes in. So make sure when you're interviewing for the

1279
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: Seahawks job, make that, by.

1280
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: The way, not for nothing.

1281
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: We all love Pete cow right, maybe the most famous

1282
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: gum chewer in the history of the NFL.

1283
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 4: Now he's out of a job, right, But I'd say

1284
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 4: you started chewing gum rough sixty seven years ago, So

1285
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 4: just say back to my industry.

1286
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm giving, I'm giving. You're a little pop here, right.

1287
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: Maybe he was forced out because of gum.

1288
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 5: How about you know it's part of it because it

1289
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 5: didn't seem like this is happening because of his age here,

1290
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 5: But like I when people are like, oh, let's have

1291
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 5: part of it, like Belichick and Harbaugh, would be like

1292
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 5: a good shirt short term coach for a kind of

1293
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 5: ready made team, Like what are they called key ready team?

1294
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 5: I mean Pete Carroll to me, turkey turnkey, turnkey operation.

1295
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 5: Pete Carroll seems a little more like a good head

1296
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 5: coach for a turnkey operation in a short term environment

1297
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 5: than those two guys in a certain like is Pete

1298
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 5: Carroll coaching like the Cowboys?

1299
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Like would that be that crazy?

1300
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 5: I don't know, more so than Bill not get any buzz,

1301
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: so it doesn't seem like this is happening. But to me,

1302
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 5: that actually makes more sense to me as like a

1303
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 5: guy who's gonna come in that's already ready and just

1304
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 5: try to win for a couple of years.

1305
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: Like anybody that's coaching the Cowboys is doomed. They're just doomed.

1306
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter.

1307
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: Like maybe that's the only thing we should have said before,

1308
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: Like this organization is just swarming with ghosts now, and

1309
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: you need, like Peter Vankman, if you really want to

1310
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: find your way out of this. What Pete going down there?

1311
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: See that positivity gets zapped away in the middle of January. Oh,

1312
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: we're not sure what happened. Everything just changed. Pete's got it,

1313
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: HET's got the ghosts. Good Ghostbusters reference.

1314
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: There an you name any of the Ghostbusters characters, Bill Murray,

1315
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: not the actor characters.

1316
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: No salt in the theater.

1317
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: Though you saw the first the first.

1318
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 4: One, yeah, I mean as a child, I mean young person.

1319
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 3: Eighty four, I saw I saw the second one eighty nine. Sneaky, terrifying.

1320
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: The movies in the eighties that were supposed to be

1321
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 3: kid friendly many times had elements that I just wouldn't.

1322
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for the fact that the painting. I

1323
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: was scared aim to life and he was a horrific man.

1324
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: That was scary.

1325
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: There's also a scene where a witch flies in from

1326
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 3: the sky into this high rise condo in New York

1327
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: and never steals the baby.

1328
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: Takes a good.

1329
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 4: Situation for anyone involves other than the witch.

1330
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: I didn't sleep well. I'm gonna tell you that you

1331
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: have a quickie, Mark.

1332
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 4: I will, I will, I will keep this quick. This

1333
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: is a team that, like you know, hit wreckage two

1334
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and we almost never talked about this team,

1335
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: the Commanders, but I think collateral damage of what's happened

1336
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 4: to two teams in the Cowboys and Eagles that we

1337
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 4: saw as Super Bowl potential teams. Now look where the

1338
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 4: Commanders are after after decades of looking like flotsam jetsum

1339
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 4: and like nobody's nobody's apple of the eye, they suddenly

1340
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 4: they have a new GM and Adam Peters who came

1341
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: from the Niners, and all words are that, like he

1342
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 4: was very valuable to that Niners team being built the

1343
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: way that.

1344
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 5: He felt like the bell of the GM ball absolutely

1345
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 5: like the most competitive high. He's like the Ben Johnson

1346
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 5: of the GMS this year, and they paid him a

1347
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 5: lot of money.

1348
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 4: And Ben Johnson people are suggesting that no matter who

1349
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 4: they go talk to that Ben Johnson is likely the

1350
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 4: number one target as your head coach. So that pairing

1351
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 4: right there is intriguing. And the number two pick, second

1352
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 4: overall pick. It was on my list, Greg, I will

1353
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: get to it. Six top picks in the top one hundred,

1354
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: they have the most cap space in the.

1355
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: Least just step on his number two overall take.

1356
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just like I have a simple list. I'm

1357
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 4: trying to get through. But they have a laundry list

1358
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: of draft picks. And I think find like a capable GM.

1359
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 4: And because you traded Montes Sweat and Chase young away,

1360
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: it's like I would want Sweats still potentially I would,

1361
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 4: But like Ron rivera somehow exited the organization with doing

1362
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: like an anti Levey Smith. He could not have been

1363
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 4: a better soldier from wire to wire for that organization

1364
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 4: and left with them in great shape For the next coach.

1365
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: In Gas, somebody to fail at dignity. Ron River's your man.

1366
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: He will be your man. I just think like if

1367
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 4: the Eagles are what we think they are right now,

1368
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 4: and they're going to go through a lot of flux

1369
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 4: and change, and maybe the quarterback isn't who we thought,

1370
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 4: and the Cowboys continue to sit and spin on this plan,

1371
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 4: or they're going to bring everyone back and be the

1372
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 4: same thing. Like the Commanders. They got a long way

1373
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 4: to go, but they are one of these teams that

1374
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 4: you can see the rebuild if they get the right

1375
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 4: quarterback happening closer to like a Houston Texans type situation

1376
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 4: than something that takes three or four years, So keep

1377
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 4: an eye on that day.

1378
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm just not ready to talk about the Commanders right now.

1379
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 4: It's just more. It's it's much more because to Dallas

1380
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 4: and Philadelphia.

1381
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: Though I've blocked them out mentally, to me, those teams

1382
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: don't exist. They're on that list of teams that do

1383
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: not exist for me right now. So I don't even

1384
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: know who you're talking about.

1385
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 4: Okay, well they've been flushed, they're gone, but.

1386
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: We will talk about it.

1387
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 4: I had been a joy being part of this experience.

1388
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: No, but Greg was way into it.

1389
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: I know he was, so you Yeah, you kind of

1390
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 4: snapped at Greg.

1391
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 3: But I couldn't even hear you were the Charlie Brown

1392
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: teacher when you were talking about whatever that I don't.

1393
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Even remember the name.

1394
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 4: I see. That is the role that I continually play

1395
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 4: on this show, and according to your ears, so I

1396
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 4: will keep doing that.

1397
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: Oh Mark, Oh Mark, How I love the quick one.

1398
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm annoyed on the Eagles. If I'm Jeffrey Lourie and

1399
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 3: Bradley Cooper, I'm sitting down with Jason Kelcey and it's

1400
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 3: not talking about retirement or any of that, although it

1401
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 3: looks like he's retiring, but I'm gonna just find out.

1402
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: I just need the dirt. Man. You just got to

1403
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: give me.

1404
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: Tell me the real stuff, because I know you get

1405
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: it and you see tell me if the coaches need

1406
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: to go, tell me.

1407
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: Which guys are cancers in the locker room?

1408
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: Do the organization this one last solid, and let us

1409
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 3: know what the hell happened here, because I think Jason

1410
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 3: Kelsey is the type of dude that could give you

1411
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: some straight answers. Because I think beyond Nick Sierian Syriani's

1412
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 3: inability to stop the bleeding, I think there was some

1413
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: maybe bad apples in that locker room and the chemistry

1414
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: of the team went south. Too, and that happens in

1415
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 3: all different sports. So somebody has to tell Bradley Cooper

1416
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Lourie who stays and who goes. And my

1417
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 3: other point is that Julio Jones and it was sad

1418
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 3: to see him exit with a concussion and what might

1419
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 3: be his last game. He's like the Simpsons. I was

1420
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: thinking about this the first ten years. Just the best,

1421
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 3: maybe the best ever, one of the best ever. But

1422
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: I just hang around so long it's starting to dilute,

1423
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: Like how great he was. I just want Julio Jones

1424
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: to retire now.

1425
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: I think I think he could be going. I mean,

1426
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 4: he's also sort of the American Office on some level too,

1427
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 4: which crashed and burned hard at the end where it

1428
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 4: was likely we've solved all these storylines. It's been great,

1429
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 4: and you're still on for four more years? Will you

1430
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 4: need to make money?

1431
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 5: We get it, everyone had to pay the bills. Will

1432
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 5: be a Hall of Famer someday. Ye know, if Matt

1433
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 5: Ryan had just put it on his hands a little

1434
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 5: more in that wild Card game, Eagles maybe never win

1435
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 5: that Super Bowl. People kind of forget the Falcons had

1436
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 5: a real chance at that had a one on one

1437
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 5: matchup and Ryan skies it out of the end zone.

1438
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, second down, I believe, I'm with you. I

1439
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 5: have a feeling this Eagles news one way or another

1440
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 5: is coming today.

1441
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: So no need to say too much more.

1442
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: We have a show tomorrow, so we do. Yeah, we

1443
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 4: could say more than clean up the wreckage of this

1444
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: segment on tomorrow's show. How about that.

1445
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: Tomorrow?

1446
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: Yes, it is the divisional round preview, so we'll break

1447
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 3: down all the games.

1448
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: And they're all excellent. I mean there's not.

1449
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, someone sneaks through the wildcard round and

1450
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 3: it's a nice story, and then you start getting toward

1451
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 3: the next week of foot Player, like, eh, now you're

1452
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: gonna get killed.

1453
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: We're cleaning them up next.

1454
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: And now instead of like four great games, we're gonna

1455
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 3: have this one game that sucks and then we have

1456
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 3: to hope the other. No, I think you can make

1457
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 3: a for every game here, Greg, give me one game

1458
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 3: you're certain about the outcome on Saturday.

1459
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 1: Now I don't. I don't have one.

1460
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 5: I do.

1461
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 4: Texans beat Ravens.

1462
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh, you want it, you need it.

1463
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: It's happening.

1464
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: You want it, you need it. I have to follow it.

1465
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: I have. Well, that's that's a good tease.

1466
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: I have to follow up on what I said on Sunday,

1467
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: which is one of those teams the Darlings, the Texans,

1468
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: and the Packers will win. So I got to pick

1469
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: one of them? Will you lock up a team? That's

1470
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: These are all things that we need to talk about. Yes,

1471
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 3: Winston z Moore, Raymond Stands, and doctor Egon.

1472
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: Spangler were the rest of the Ghostbusters with doctor Peter Bankman.

1473
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 4: Which one was Murray.

1474
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: Doctor Okay, Peter Veakman.

1475
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm surprised.

1476
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 4: I don't know you are so plugged in on this film.

1477
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 2: I haven't young children.

1478
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 3: I've watched the Ghostbuster films many times in the last

1479
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: five years.

1480
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 5: Ghostbusters has had a surprising long shelf life. I wouldn't

1481
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 5: say it had like a huge impact on my upbringing,

1482
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 5: although I do have a lot of the Bobby Brown

1483
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 5: Vego rap memorized in my head. But I was surprised

1484
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 5: at there to do it Halloween. How many little kids

1485
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 5: are still wearing Ghostbusters gear. So it's still happened.

1486
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 4: Well, the new movie that came out was very good.

1487
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 4: I thought too, that hooked them back in. I mean

1488
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 4: that happened to My kids too.

1489
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: Got the stranger things. Kids in it always are smart.

1490
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: We'll get rud involved.

1491
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 4: It's a natural. That's when you do keep recreating because

1492
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: it's like kids and ghosts at least.

1493
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: Got it well together. Thank you, Paul Rudd. All right,

1494
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: that's it. We'll be back on Thursday. Until then, you

1495
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: know what you need to do. Heed the call.