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Speaker 1: to this live taping of Next Question with me Katie Kuric.

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Speaker 1: I am delighted to bring you this conversation on the

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Speaker 1: why we're actually here tonight. Roughly ten thousand baby boomers

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Speaker 1: But let's begin the conversation with the financial challenges Celia

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Speaker 2: I love this question, and caregiving is such a broad topic.

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Speaker 3: Flipped the script for me. And it wasn't so much resentment.

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Speaker 1: Can I adopt both of you? I mean, seriously, you're

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Speaker 2: This story really resonates with me, and I think one

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Speaker 3: Like Chris and I were talking earlier, it's a very

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Speaker 1: What kind of feedback and conversations do you have with

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Speaker 6: Chris, Yeah, I hear from hundreds of people every day.

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Speaker 6: my grandmother for social media, which I think is the

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00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 6: funniest one to hear because people don't know like what

440
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 6: it is that goes on behind closed doors. They only

441
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 6: see a minute or two minutes of my life, and uh,

442
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 6: you know, in the beginning, it was really difficult to

443
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 6: hear that because it's like, how could you even think that?

444
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 6: But now that it's been some time, I can understand

445
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 6: if if you're randomly scrolling on TikTok or Instagram and

446
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 6: you see this guy taking care of his grandmother wearing

447
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 6: a mic, and you think, oh, he only does that

448
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 6: when the camera's on. When the camera's off, he's off

449
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 6: living his own life, when really, like I post and

450
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 6: I'm still at my grandmother's bedside, like you know, and

451
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 6: we're yeah, so, but I've come to realize that that's

452
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 6: just how the world is, and that's okay. And I

453
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 6: wish those people the best because if they were in

454
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 6: the same situation, they would understand what it is that

455
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 6: goes on behind closed doors.

456
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Speaker 2: I'm just so impressed that you continue to post anyway.

457
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I would have the courage to do

458
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: what you're doing and just keep sharing your story. Yeah,

459
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: what you were doing to give care is incredible, but

460
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: what you do to tell your story in the base

461
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: of that negativity is And.

462
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Speaker 1: I think they're so right how lonely and isolating it

463
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: can be. And the internet is the source of a

464
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: lot of bad things in our society. But to be

465
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: able to build a community, be it through a podcast

466
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: or just online content, is a real service I think

467
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: to others, I'm curious about your professional development while you

468
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 1: were both Adrian, you taking care of your mom, Christy,

469
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: your grandmother. Did you have to put all your career

470
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: aspirations on hold? Were you able to do some I'm

471
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of professional work so that you would stay at

472
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: least connected to your hopes and dreams in a way

473
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: for your own lives.

474
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Speaker 6: I think I lucked out because my goal was to

475
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 6: make videos for a living, so I went to school

476
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 6: for visual media, and I guess it only makes sense to,

477
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 6: you know, document my life and make videos for the internet,

478
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 6: so you know, in twenty fourteen. It sounds it feels

479
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 6: weird for me to say, but I've always wanted to

480
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 6: be like a YouTuber and like making videos for the Internet.

481
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 6: And I was always fascinated with documenting my life and

482
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 6: creating little stories here and there. So I think, you know,

483
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 6: when I became a caregiver, it was only natural for

484
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 6: me to record what it is that I'm going through.

485
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 6: And I had no idea that you know, a lot

486
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 6: of people would gravitate to it. And I think it

487
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 6: worked out so I didn't have to necessarily put my

488
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 6: professional life on hold. I was able to build that

489
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 6: while also you know, having the responsibility of taking care

490
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Speaker 6: of my grandmother.

491
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Speaker 1: That was incredibly serendipitous. What about what about you, Adrian,

492
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Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, what you were planning for

493
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: your own life.

494
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So, like I said, I'm a bit of a

495
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: free spirit.

496
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Speaker 3: So I was kind of hopping around into all of

497
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: these different career fields. I hadn't found a field that

498
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: I loved, and I was like wanting to climb the ranks.

499
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: And so when I moved back to Florida, I had

500
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: a nine to five job.

501
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 5: I didn't love it.

502
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: Another huge challenge that I was starting to face of

503
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: having a nine to five job and caregiving.

504
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 5: It's virtually impossible.

505
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: Doctor's appointments don't happen at seven pm, so it was

506
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: like taking multiple hours out of the day to take

507
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: my mom to doctor's appointments when she would end up

508
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: in the hospital, having to take time off work. So

509
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 3: for me, I was like, why don't I try to

510
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: start something virtually where I can work from anywhere? And

511
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: I started my own project management business, which I was

512
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: very apprehensive about because I was.

513
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 5: Like, are you crazy?

514
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: You're going to try to start a small business while

515
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: you're caring for your.

516
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 5: Mom, Like you're out of your mind.

517
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 3: But I'm an overachiever and I went for it and

518
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: it was one of the best things I could have

519
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: ever done.

520
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 5: I was able to work virtually, so I.

521
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: Would take as long as I had my laptop and

522
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: a Wi Fi connection. I said, my laptop saw the

523
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: inside of ers and hospitals more than most laptops probably did.

524
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: But it allowed me to continue to build a professional

525
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 3: career because what I.

526
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 5: Would always tell myself was.

527
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: That there was going to be a day that my

528
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: mom was no longer here and I needed something. I

529
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: needed something that I could continue to grow once she

530
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: was gone, which so many caregivers don't have that luxury.

531
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 5: So many caregivers have to put.

532
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: Their life on hold, and then when their loved ones gone,

533
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: they don't even know where to start. They don't know

534
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: where to turn to because for so many years they've

535
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: been out of their social circles, they've been out of

536
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: their professional circles. So I feel very blessed that it

537
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: all happened for a reason.

538
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: And Cilly, I imagine that remote working and more flexibility

539
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: and the workplace is a really helpful development men for

540
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: people who find themselves in these situations.

541
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Speaker 2: I think both remote work and part time like you

542
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: talked about, and finding just different ways to contribute and

543
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: find a way to do that in a way that

544
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: helps you grow and develop, and obviously that helps you

545
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: sustain yourself. We have a world of options now that

546
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: we didn't have twenty or thirty years ago, which maybe

547
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: creates some flexibility.

548
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you all about adjusting to life

549
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: after you lost your mom and your grandmother, because I

550
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: imagine it's as big an adjustment as it is to

551
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: becoming a caregiver. Suddenly you find that you no longer

552
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: have the responsibilities that you were so focused on for

553
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: so long. Was that a difficult transition? Adrian? It sounds

554
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: like your small business was really helpful, But just in

555
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: terms of the emotional toll that took, not only are

556
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: you grieving someone your best friend, as you said, but

557
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: suddenly you're like, wait, my life has changed dramatically. The

558
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: structure I knew is suddenly gone.

559
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only an interesting transition. After she passed away,

560
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: I think having to deal with grief, although I say

561
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: that I thought I was going to grieve my mom's

562
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: passing a lot more. But once she passed, I learned

563
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: about this term called anticipatory grief, and I recognized that

564
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: I was really grieving her for my entire caregiving journey.

565
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: So having the grief journey that I was on, with

566
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: the recognition that this person was no longer there, I

567
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: wasn't going to see her. I wasn't going to be

568
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: able to touch her, to talk to her, even though

569
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: she never talked back. I mean I talked her ear off,

570
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: performed Broadway reviews for her and her you know, in

571
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: her little apartment.

572
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 5: That was huge.

573
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: I also, at the time she passed, I had a

574
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: lot of things that were starting to happen. I met

575
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: my now husband, we got engaged, I have a step

576
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: daughter that came into my life, and I truly believe

577
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: my mom wanted to know that I was going to

578
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: be taken care of, and that's when she decided that

579
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: she could let go. And so it was very interesting

580
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: the transition because it's like, on the one hand, I

581
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: was letting go of my best friend and this person

582
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: who had meant the world to me and did so

583
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: much for me, and now I was all of a

584
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: sudden shifting and starting this entirely new life that I

585
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: had to put on hold for so many years. So

586
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: it was a really interesting transition, and I know it

587
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: was all to my mom.

588
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Chris. For you, you know, suddenly now you're how old

589
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: thirty thirty and you're like, WHOA, I can go out

590
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: and party or whatever it is. I mean, how have

591
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: you adjusted to your new normal?

592
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 6: Well, I'm still adjusting, and I think i'll.

593
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: Be again because it was so recent.

594
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it happened a couple of weeks ago, So I'm

595
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 6: still adjusting. And it's interesting that you brought up anticipatory

596
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 6: grief or grieving. I think that makes so much sense

597
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 6: to me because at the funeral, I didn't feel of

598
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 6: course I was sad, but I didn't feel sadness in

599
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 6: the way that other people felt sadness. At the funeral,

600
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 6: I felt more so relief, and I because I've anticipated

601
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 6: this day for so long, and now that it's here,

602
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 6: I feel I feel relieved, not only for my grandmother

603
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 6: because she was in so much pain in the last

604
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 6: four days of her life, but I feel so much

605
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 6: relief for me and my mother, who was there for

606
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 6: every step of the way. And I think it's just

607
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 6: a it's such a relieving feeling to know my grandmother

608
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 6: is no longer feeling pain and that she doesn't have

609
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 6: to because she was guilty. You know, in the last

610
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 6: eight year she she hated people helping her out. She

611
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 6: was so independent her entire life. She was a teacher

612
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 6: for twenty years. She immigrated here to the Philippines by herself,

613
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: took all her children with her, and she was such

614
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 6: a strong and independent woman for most of her life.

615
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 6: And for her to have somebody by her side twenty

616
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 6: four to seven, it was something that she never really

617
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 6: got used to. So knowing that she doesn't have to

618
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 6: see me every day because she needs help. It's such

619
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 6: a relieving feeling. So I'm still in the you know,

620
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 6: in this transition. It's funny that you say, like I

621
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 6: get to go out and party, because that's every that's

622
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 6: what everybody assumes, like, Yeah, you get to go out

623
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: to New York and you don't have to go back

624
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 6: whenever you were since.

625
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Here from Las Vegas, so he doesn't have to come

626
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: to me.

627
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 6: So but I don't I feel I don't know. I'm

628
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 6: still figuring things out. But I do think similar to

629
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 6: what you were saying about how your mom kind of

630
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 6: set you up, I feel like my grandmother set me up.

631
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 6: Because now I have this really large platform of people

632
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 6: who watch my videos. I can connect with so many

633
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: people across the world, and you know, I think I

634
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 6: just have so many opportunities in front of me now,

635
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 6: and I feel like it's my responsibility to be a

636
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 6: good steward of what happens now and all the whatever

637
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 6: happens to me financially. I feel responsible to be a

638
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 6: good steward of that. And because you know, I feel

639
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 6: like a fish in a fishbowl sometimes because you know,

640
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 6: so many people are watching what I do every day.

641
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 6: I do feel a responsibility to not let people down

642
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 6: and be irresponsible in this transition of my life.

643
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: So that's great. And it's such a neglected space, you know,

644
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: and people need help and guidance, and I think you're

645
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: really filling a knee obviously, and Adrian with your podcast,

646
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: and of course Cilia with the important financial advice you're

647
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: giving people. What is the one thing you wish you

648
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: had known before becoming a caregiver?

649
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 6: Oh, I wish I would have known that it's amazing

650
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 6: the things that you'll get used to, because at twenty

651
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 6: one twenty two, like a twenty one year old is

652
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 6: not thinking about changing their grandmother's soiled pads or soiled pampers,

653
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 6: or thinking about giving his grandmother a shower. But I

654
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 6: think it's incredible the things that you can get used to.

655
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 6: And I wish I also would have known how fruitful

656
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 6: this journey was going to be. I was able to

657
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 6: spend so much time with my grandmother and hear stories

658
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 6: that I don't think I've ever would have been able

659
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 6: to hear if I wasn't buy er side. I was

660
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 6: able to like have breakfast, lunch, and dinner for the

661
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 6: last eight years with my grandmother, and I think it's

662
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 6: I feel like I won't meet a lot of people

663
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 6: that are able to say that, So I think I

664
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 6: wish I would have known how fruitful. But also at

665
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 6: the same time, if you would have told me that

666
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 6: at twenty two, I don't think I would have believed anybody.

667
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: This young man is an angel? Can I just say, like, what?

668
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: Who are you? What about you? Adrian?

669
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: I wish I would have known everything, because there's so

670
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: much like the financial aspect, the social, the emotional navigating

671
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 3: just this crazy healthcare system of ours.

672
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: Must that must be very frustrating.

673
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's literally like you feel like you're

674
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: on this deserted island just trying to figure everything out

675
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: for yourself. And I wish I would have known to

676
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 3: self identify as a caregiver sooner. I wish I would

677
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: have understood what a caregiver was and self identified because

678
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have tried to seek out

679
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: resources much earlier in my journey because resources exist, but

680
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: unless you you know they're out there, you're never going

681
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: to go looking for them. So I wish I would

682
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: have known that. I wish I would have known just

683
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: how hard it was going to be. I think initially

684
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I'm going to take care of

685
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: my mom. But I think until you're in the depths

686
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: and the throes of it, and there's good days and

687
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: bad days, and you're on these crazy like highs and

688
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 3: then these insane lows and this constant emotional roller coaster,

689
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: and I say that I developed anxiety, you know, as

690
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: a byproduct of my care journey. I just wish I

691
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: would have known how to just work through the highs

692
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: and lows better. And I wish I would have worked

693
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 3: on myself more during that period to help just kind

694
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: of not.

695
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: Take care of yourself so you could take care of

696
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: your mom exactly. Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of

697
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: caregivers neglect their own health and well being. And that's

698
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: a really terrible situation because you have to put your own,

699
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, mask on first before you help somebody else.

700
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Is there a specific conversation, and because I think this

701
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: will be helpful to everyone listening, that you wish you

702
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: would had with your grandmother and your mom before you

703
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: found so you really truly understood their wishes or do

704
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: you feel that you understood without that conversation if you

705
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: had to go back.

706
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: I did not know any of my mom's wishes, and

707
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: that puts such a weight on my shoulders because by

708
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: the time I was having to make these massive executive

709
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: decisions for her, she was not lucid enough to be

710
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 3: able to truly communicate. I didn't know if my mom

711
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: wanted to be buried or cremated. I didn't know if

712
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 3: my mom wanted to go in hospice. Like I made

713
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: the decision to put her in hospice, I made the

714
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: decision to send her into hospice inpatient in a hospital

715
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: during COVID in the hopes she would get better. My

716
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: mom maybe would have never wanted to go into a

717
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: hospital and just would have wanted to stay at home,

718
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: and she died in the hospital. So having those cons

719
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 3: is crucial. I think specifically for us at.

720
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: A younger age. You alluded to it earlier. I think

721
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: you did.

722
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: It's not pretty conversations. No one wants to sit around

723
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: the dinner table and have a conversation about mom.

724
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 5: Dad, what are your wishes? What do you want?

725
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: And I think it's so essential, and that's probably the

726
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 3: biggest piece of advice I would give anyone at any age.

727
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I was twenty nine. I didn't even think

728
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: about having these conversations. I was like, oh, that's fine.

729
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: My mom's going to live to be in her eighties.

730
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: We don't have to have these conversations for another twenty years.

731
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: I think it's really an act of love actually to

732
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: have these conversations. I remember when my dad died and

733
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: I was walking out of the hospital with my brother

734
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: and I said, Johnny in my dad worked in newspapers,

735
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: and I said, Johnny, we have to write Dad's obituary.

736
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, Katie, he's already written it.

737
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

738
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: And I thought that was like such a There was

739
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: so much kindness for him to take care of it.

740
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: So I think you should really look at it as

741
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: taking care of each other and a part of the process.

742
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: Do you wish you had had any conversation with your grandmother?

743
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 6: I mean I want to say yes, but I don't

744
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 6: even know what we would what kind of conversation.

745
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Sounds like you had a lot of conversations.

746
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, we did. None of them had anything

747
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 6: to do with me helping her out, but I.

748
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: Hope it wrote down those stories back.

749
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, a lot of them are recorded, so good.

750
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 6: I'm so glad you know. And that's another thing I'll

751
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 6: get to your question. But I think an amazing thing

752
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 6: about the videos that I made at the funeral. A

753
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 6: lot of my cousins were telling me whenever I miss

754
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 6: our grandmother, I can go through your page and I

755
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 6: could get a glimpse of how she was in all

756
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 6: of her teachings. So I think that's an amazing thing

757
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 6: of you know, documenting life, whether it's on the Internet

758
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 6: or not. I think it's important to document your life

759
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 6: just just to have something to look back on. But

760
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 6: as far as the conversation goes, I mean, I feel

761
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 6: I still feel really young now and at twenty two

762
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 6: I had no I don't I don't even know what

763
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 6: we could have discussed back then to make the the

764
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 6: next eight years a lot easier.

765
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: Uh.

766
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 6: You know, It's funny my parents and I joke now

767
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: they say just throw me in a home, and I

768
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 6: don't think. I don't think I could grant their wish

769
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 6: of just throwing them in a home and just leaving

770
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 6: it at that. I know that's, you know, what they

771
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 6: wish for, but.

772
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: Well maybe they're just kidding. Well, I think when push

773
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: comes to that, they may change their minds.

774
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't Yeah, I don't know what we

775
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 6: could have discussed to make it different. I think I think,

776
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 6: you know, we we we took it on a day

777
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 6: at a time, and I think, uh, it was such

778
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 6: a huge responsibility that I think just going through the

779
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 6: motions and figuring it out as I went was the

780
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 6: best way for us to go about it.

781
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: So, so, Celia and closing, what kind of advice would

782
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: you give? And I guess maybe I'll open it up

783
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: to everybody, to people listening to this about the future

784
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: and if they find themselves in a situation of caring

785
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: for an elderly family member.

786
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: This is a hard space to give advice. But I

787
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: think the couple things I feel like I've gotten from

788
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: this conversation. One is having the conversation right, sort of

789
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: thinking yourself about what you might want for yourself and

790
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: what you want with your family and being willing to

791
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: step into that dialogue is maybe thing one.

792
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: Should you write it down? By the way, it's because well,

793
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: there are all sorts of legal documents, right, what is

794
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: it called when you have a proxy power of attorney,

795
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean you probably should have some, but

796
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: that's not your area of expertise.

797
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer, but there is a lot of

798
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: advice about going to either a financial advisor or an

799
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: attorney as you start to kind of think about and

800
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: plan for these sorts of things. But maybe if I

801
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: would actually end with just one thing, the idea that

802
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: the life we live today isn't promised to us, and

803
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: a lot of our parents are living, or our grandparents

804
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: or whoever it is that we love, none of it's

805
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: promised to us. And to be spending a little bit

806
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: of time thinking about putting something aside and planning for

807
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: insurance on the one hand, and then spending time with

808
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: you on the other hand. I mean, that's the thing

809
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: you guys have me thinking about, is like, who am

810
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: I spending time with them? And I'm putting enough time

811
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: in the right places because that's what I'm taking from

812
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: your stories.

813
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

814
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: I always say that one of the biggest silver linings

815
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: in falling into caregiving is I would have never had

816
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: the time that I had with my mom should it

817
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: have not been for caregiving. And maybe that quality time

818
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: looked very different than what it did.

819
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 5: Before she got sick, but it was still quality time.

820
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: And I will never regret any of that, and having

821
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: that and just recognizing that no one lives forever, saying

822
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: I love you, living without regrets. Having the conversations before

823
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: they're too late, I think is incredibly essential as well.

824
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: And I think preparing for caregiving ahead of time is

825
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: so important. Like I think of so many things like

826
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: the hospice, having to make the executive decision to put

827
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: my mom in hospice, so now here my mom is,

828
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how much longer she has left. If

829
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: I would have pre planned and known, okay, when we

830
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: get to this point, hospice is going to be done,

831
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: I know who to contact, this is everything involved, it

832
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: would have alleviated a lot of that emotional stress and

833
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: burden that I was already experiencing. So preparing to care,

834
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: I say this on my podcast. It's my biggest piece

835
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: of advice to young caregivers.

836
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 5: Prepare to care.

837
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: That's probably one of the biggest things that I would

838
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: recommend to anyone, anyone at any age, no matter who

839
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: you're caring for, even your spouse. People ask me, now, okay,

840
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: so you went through all this with your mom, do

841
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: you have a living will in place?

842
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 5: Like does your husband know your wishes, and it's crazy

843
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 5: because I don't have a living will in place. My

844
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: husband doesn't know my wishes.

845
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: So it gets you thinking, and I'm going to go

846
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: back home and have this conversation.

847
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: What about you? Chris? Any advice?

848
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 6: It's tough because I think, like I said earlier, there's

849
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 6: nothing that anybody could have told me at twenty two

850
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 6: to prepare me for the next eight years of my life.

851
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 6: I do think it's important to have those important conversations.

852
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 6: I'm having them with my parents now of Okay, do

853
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 6: you really want to go to a home? Okay, what

854
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 6: does that look like? And even then, even when you

855
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 6: do have those important conversations, it's difficult to prepare for

856
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 6: that emotionally, like you just you don't know. Like people

857
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 6: would always ask me, so, what's going to happen, you know,

858
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 6: when you're no longer a caregiver. I would always answer,

859
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 6: I have no idea, and it's difficult. I would sit

860
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 6: at night and pray and ask how how do I

861
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 6: prepare for something like that? And I never got an

862
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 6: answer because I don't think it's something that you can

863
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 6: prepare for. You could have logistics setup, but emotionally you

864
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 6: won't be prepared to see a loved one decline in

865
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 6: a way that they might.

866
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: It sounds to me that for both of you having

867
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: a community is really important, and Adrian, maybe it would

868
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: have been helpful for you to find a community earlier,

869
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: because I do think talking to people who are going

870
00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: through similar experiences can be so comforting and make you

871
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: feel less alone. So whether it's watching videos and being

872
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: a part of a social media or social platform community,

873
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: being part of a podcast community. I'm sure there are

874
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: lots of support groups for caregivers, and we were talking

875
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: before we came on stage that there are a lot

876
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: of resources. You just have to go out and find

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Speaker 1: them and utilize them. But I would imagine just being

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Speaker 1: able to talk to other people about your experience and

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Speaker 1: bitching to them about this, that and the other thing,

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Speaker 1: or it could be really therapeutic.

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Speaker 3: We were having a conversation earlier, and it's interesting because

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Speaker 3: Chris was talking about taking on the responsibility of caring

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Speaker 3: for his grandmother and at first he almost said burden.

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Speaker 3: I saw like the be and I was like, you

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Speaker 3: were going to say burden, weren't you. So it's interesting

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Speaker 3: because it's only if you don't if you've been through it,

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Speaker 3: Like nobody else knows what this is like unless you've

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Speaker 3: been through it, and talking to other caregivers, even talking

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Speaker 3: to Chris, it's so validating, like you feel seen, you

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Speaker 3: feel heard, you feel less alone. So having that community

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Speaker 3: started a private Facebook group for young caregivers where it's

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Speaker 3: about things that are going on, and know that everyone

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Speaker 5: It's almost like a huge weight is lifted off of

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Speaker 3: I call people that I know young caregivers the set

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Speaker 3: of friends that I never thought I would have, Like

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Speaker 3: you have your childhood friends, your mom friends, but I

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Speaker 1: Well, Chris and Adrian, I have to say, it's been

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