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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios. I remember Garcia, I joined by Nick
Speaker 1: Himan and David Hellman. Um. I guess Derek decided that
Speaker 1: free agency wasn't that important. You know, you guys know
Speaker 1: I always have to give him crappit anytime he's not
Speaker 1: on the show. But how are you guys doing? I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna if he's gonna be gone during free agency?
Speaker 1: The Cowboys seem to be a great team to work for,
Speaker 1: so it works out probably doing good. You're saying, I'm great,
Speaker 1: I'm lovely, I'm lovely. No, that's good. Well, we are
Speaker 1: gonna try to talk about what's been happening since Monday
Speaker 1: in free agency, relating obviously to the Cowboys, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna go down the list and kind of talk
Speaker 1: about the guys that are left under the list of
Speaker 1: Cowboys free agents and kind of see what we can
Speaker 1: expect from that. But one of the bigger names that
Speaker 1: has come up is obviously quarterback Andy Dalton. He has
Speaker 1: agreed to a deal with the Chicago Bears. So this
Speaker 1: leads to the question with what's gonna happen at quarterback?
Speaker 1: Backup quarterback for the Cowboys. So just wanted to get
Speaker 1: started with Andy Dalton and kind of something that we
Speaker 1: kind of expected to go somewhere else and possibly start
Speaker 1: for another team. But what happens now here for the Cowboys, Well,
Speaker 1: I really don't know if they can do anything other
Speaker 1: than what they've already got. I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can have it all, um, you know,
Speaker 1: in this in this area, in this era of siler
Speaker 1: cap I just don't think that the Cowboys can't afford
Speaker 1: to have a forty million dollar, you know, a year
Speaker 1: quarterback and then have a backup that's that's you know,
Speaker 1: making a lot of money. I just I think it's
Speaker 1: got to be Garrett Kilbert. I think it's got to
Speaker 1: be a maybe a draft pick. I mean, maybe there
Speaker 1: might be somebody out there on the very, very cheap.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know if they could really
Speaker 1: afford that. My rebuttal I guess would be that they
Speaker 1: afforded it while they were paying their quarterback thirty one
Speaker 1: million last year, which obviously is not forty, but you
Speaker 1: can make it work. I don't know if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will for starters. I'm just happy for Andy, Like I know,
Speaker 1: you know, last season wasn't great for anybody, but he
Speaker 1: took a low contract, partially because of COVID, partially because
Speaker 1: this was home, partially to set himself up, and it
Speaker 1: worked out. He tripled his deal from last year, and
Speaker 1: he's going to have a chance to start. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that's gonna look like, because the Bears kind
Speaker 1: of look like a disaster from the outside, but hey,
Speaker 1: he you know, as of right now, I think Nick
Speaker 1: Foles is the only person he's competing against for a
Speaker 1: starting job, So good for him. I mean, I do
Speaker 1: tend to agree with Nick. If you if you made
Speaker 1: me guess right now, I would say Garrett Gilbert and
Speaker 1: maybe Ben Denucci or maybe Mike McCarthy rolls the dice
Speaker 1: on another backup, but I would guess those two young guys. Honestly,
Speaker 1: with Dalton and Tyrod Taylor going off to market yesterday,
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of like experienced quarterback ability available,
Speaker 1: like the two names that really come to mind, or
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and Mitch Drubisky. Both of those guys I
Speaker 1: would assume are going to try to go somewhere with
Speaker 1: a better opportunity to start. But if that doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: maybe they'd be willing to settle for less like Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton did last year. Um, that could be really fun,
Speaker 1: particularly Alex Smith in my opinion, with what Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: said about him during his press conference last week. But
Speaker 1: that's obviously a little premature, and with the with the
Speaker 1: crunch they have against the cap, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think probably cheaper is the more likely option. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be somebody, if it's a veteran,
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be somebody in the same boat
Speaker 1: as Dalton last year. That's like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: Dalton's arrow is pointing up because he got a chance
Speaker 1: to play. It was pointing down last year, which that's
Speaker 1: where the money was. I mean you said that they
Speaker 1: made it work, they didn't. I mean it was thirty
Speaker 1: one million for Dak. I guess what was he counting?
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton? Like two three, three million? It was Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a It was a base of
Speaker 1: three with a bunch of incentives tactics. He probably hits
Speaker 1: some of those, I would imagine probably yeah, I made yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he yeah, he upped it up to like
Speaker 1: five I think. But with the cap going down and well,
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, I was just gonna say that we
Speaker 1: know how big since the moment Mike McCarthy got here,
Speaker 1: we know how big he is some quarterbacks and all
Speaker 1: that and the importance of it, and given the fact that, okay,
Speaker 1: he cares so much about quarterback. We know that Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: he's coming back from an injury. He looks and he
Speaker 1: seems healthy. We've seen the video of him working out.
Speaker 1: He says he's gonna be ready when the moment matters
Speaker 1: and all that. But as of right now, what would
Speaker 1: like how big? Giving all the necessities that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: currently have on the roster in other positions, where would
Speaker 1: you rate quarterback? Backup quarterback? I mean, are you really
Speaker 1: looking at backup quarterback as a really important need right now?
Speaker 1: For the Cowboys. No, I mean I think, oh, go ahead,
Speaker 1: well I disagree again. Yeah, I just don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's not when it's you know, not when it's
Speaker 1: related to the other positions. I wouldn't put it up
Speaker 1: there that high. I mean, we saw last year that
Speaker 1: it was important to have, but they got the best
Speaker 1: backup quarterback they could probably have last year and they
Speaker 1: didn't didn't help them. I mean, if you lose Dak
Speaker 1: it's you're playing for a draft pick probably anyway. So
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not putting that as a super high priority.
Speaker 1: See I disagree because, first of all, I mean the
Speaker 1: difference between I think the difference between what Dalton was
Speaker 1: able to provide over the second half of the season
Speaker 1: and what you saw from Ben Denucci. I know people
Speaker 1: are super high on what Garrett Gilbert did against Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and that's fair, but it was one game a week
Speaker 1: after one of the most atrocious performances I can ever remember,
Speaker 1: So I handicapped that a little bit. But my point
Speaker 1: was going to be, you're not always going to lose
Speaker 1: your starter for the season. You know, that's pretty rare,
Speaker 1: but it's not that uncommon to lose your starter for one, two, three,
Speaker 1: four weeks. You know, the Rams didn't have Jared Goff
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals didn't have Kyler Murray going into their
Speaker 1: season finale with the playoffs spot on the line last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the Saints treaded water with Teddy Bridgewater for
Speaker 1: five or six weeks a couple years ago when Drew
Speaker 1: Brees was hurt. And I think, you know, Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: starting nine games is probably not going to get you
Speaker 1: where you want to go, but if he had only
Speaker 1: been needed for three, it could have been huge. And
Speaker 1: so that's that's where my head is. Um Again, first
Speaker 1: of all, there aren't that many options. You know, there
Speaker 1: aren't very many quarterbacks left that have a significant amount
Speaker 1: of starting experience. It would probably have to be Alex
Speaker 1: Smith or Mitchell Trubisky, which you know, if they kick
Speaker 1: around for a few more weeks and can't find a
Speaker 1: deal they like, maybe it's possible. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I think I think the overwhelming likelihood is that they
Speaker 1: go with youth, just because of the constraints they have
Speaker 1: on their salary cap. Y go ahead, And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think that you can make that
Speaker 1: argument both ways. Like if it's only if he's only
Speaker 1: probably going to be hurt two or three games, then
Speaker 1: you could say, well, if it's two or three games,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know we're gonna we're not gonna
Speaker 1: win those anyways. I mean, you're not gonna win them.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think those backup quarterbacks that you get.
Speaker 1: You know, Andy Dalton came in in his first week
Speaker 1: and he was he was terrible against Arizona. That wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't his best game. And he didn't
Speaker 1: play that well the next week against Washington even though
Speaker 1: they didn't have a chance. But so, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you could mismake the argument both sides, like, well,
Speaker 1: if it's only gonna be two or three games, then
Speaker 1: maybe you can get by with with And Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: is kind of intriguing because he is a veteran, but
Speaker 1: he's still he's been around, he just hasn't played a
Speaker 1: whole lot, and he's cheap. He's a cheap veteran that's
Speaker 1: that's been around. So that might that might be the
Speaker 1: only way, the only option that they really have anyways,
Speaker 1: just because they just don't have a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I made I think I made that
Speaker 1: joke back in like January that I mean, for the
Speaker 1: circumstances he was in. Garrett Gilbert played great against Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and I think the Cowboys are gonna use that, plus
Speaker 1: his cost, his very team friendly cost, to say, well,
Speaker 1: we feel good about what he can do, and we'll
Speaker 1: keep you know, we'll keep developing Benda Nucci or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll use another flyer on a draft pick. That's
Speaker 1: that's what I expect to happen. But me personally, I
Speaker 1: have a lot more appreciation for the value of a
Speaker 1: quarterback who's been there and done that. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's probably not in the cards for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: this year, but I still think it would be a
Speaker 1: good idea. Well, Gilbert did show some potential in that
Speaker 1: one game that we did get to see from him
Speaker 1: last year. But Dave In, you know, another position that
Speaker 1: can help the quarterback position, and we know it's very important,
Speaker 1: is the tackle position. The Cows are expecting to have
Speaker 1: Lyell Callins and turning Smith back into lineup and all that,
Speaker 1: but one of the moves that did happen during free
Speaker 1: agency earlier this week was swing tackle Cam Irving he
Speaker 1: agreed on a two year deal with the Panthers. The
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, and although he wasn't necessarily a guy that
Speaker 1: contributed much to the position, he because of injuries and
Speaker 1: all that, it's still another body to add depth there
Speaker 1: at the position. The Cowboys did agree a one year
Speaker 1: deal with tackle Tie and I cannot. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's let's hear it, Insecki. It's actually once you once
Speaker 1: you hear it and see it, it's like, oh, that
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. It's Tie insecky. But I'm sek
Speaker 1: all right coming from the Buffalo, So I just wanted
Speaker 1: to get your input and kind of your evaluation. I
Speaker 1: know he's not necessarily a big name guy, but what
Speaker 1: do you guys think about him? And that near addition
Speaker 1: to to the position? Uh, you know in the in
Speaker 1: the press conference that they that they're going to have
Speaker 1: later today and to explain all these moves. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to ask him about it. Um, I'm joking because
Speaker 1: they're probably not doing that. UM. I don't understand it,
Speaker 1: and I don't have to understand it because no one's
Speaker 1: really explaining it. Does doesn't make sense to me. He's
Speaker 1: got seventeen starts in seven years. I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about him, and I know that he hasn't been good
Speaker 1: enough to start. I know he's from Arlington, Texas, so
Speaker 1: that's cool, but you know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: And so you know, as Rob Phillips I think pointed
Speaker 1: out when we talked about it, he's got one more
Speaker 1: start than Terrence Steele. So I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: expecting a whole lot out of him because he hasn't.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been that guy in his career. Does does
Speaker 1: he at least have less injury history as Cam Irving?
Speaker 1: It harder to tell. He's only Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's that's he's he's been available, but yeah, he hasn't
Speaker 1: been a regular starter. Yeah. Without trying, without trying to
Speaker 1: sound too much like a smart alec, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can sort of just do the cowboys off. You can
Speaker 1: do their free agency, like as Phil in the blank,
Speaker 1: Like the story is the same, the name is different.
Speaker 1: It's the same signing as Cam Irving or or Cam Fleming.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, like a you know, a guy that
Speaker 1: has been around the league has started is not very expensive. Uh,
Speaker 1: probably doesn't thrill you if he actually has to play
Speaker 1: a lot, but can be here. And you know, if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did have a press conference, which they probably won't,
Speaker 1: but if they did, they would say something along the
Speaker 1: lines of, well, you know, this opens us up to
Speaker 1: be true in the draft, and you know we don't
Speaker 1: have a glaring need at offensive tackle because we have
Speaker 1: this guy, but we could still draft one if we
Speaker 1: need to. It's like like the Cowboys basically have a
Speaker 1: manual at this point and they check it off. They're like,
Speaker 1: all right, we resigned some key special teamers. We got
Speaker 1: a vetter great but might be good enough, and you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully it works out better than the other ones have
Speaker 1: because the other ones haven't been awesome. Hopefully that's not
Speaker 1: all they do at the position. So I think the draft.
Speaker 1: I think in the draft, yeah, I thought you were
Speaker 1: making like a three eight. Yes, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: they expected. What did what did Irving get? Like? Nine?
Speaker 1: Did he get nine? Two years, five million years? I
Speaker 1: think it's two for ten with eight guaranteed or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, good for him, I mean that, he
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I think that I think that was being
Speaker 1: him being a first round pick because he didn't do
Speaker 1: anything last year to kind of show that, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. I mean he you know,
Speaker 1: he was he was sick when he first got here
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt twice and m he played okay,
Speaker 1: I think when he was here, but I mean he
Speaker 1: was battling with Terrence Steele for playing time. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's what this is. I think
Speaker 1: that they covered themselves with a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a veteran guy. But I think that if whatever depth
Speaker 1: chart they have on their board, I would imagine Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele is still he's probably ahead of this guy. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me based on everything we saw from Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele last year. And I'm yeah, like I I you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm at like, I'm somewhat familiar with Niseki because
Speaker 1: he was he was a reserve for Washington for several
Speaker 1: I got that was where he got the vast majority
Speaker 1: of his playing time was with Washington. Whenever Trent Williams
Speaker 1: or Morgan Moses was unavailable, Um, he would step in
Speaker 1: and he seemed fine. But yeah, like I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: about to sell this as the Cowboys solving their swing
Speaker 1: tackle problem. If anything, I think, you know, it's probably
Speaker 1: a three way competition right now between him and Brandon
Speaker 1: Knight and Terrence Steele, and you know, maybe they'll add
Speaker 1: a guy in the draft as well. I hate saying that,
Speaker 1: especially coming from me talking to you guys, But why
Speaker 1: is he so old? Like he's thirty five years old?
Speaker 1: I don't, well, it don't. It didn't add up, Like
Speaker 1: where's this? I mean, seven year pro thirty five, I
Speaker 1: mean played baseball for six years. I mean, what's going on?
Speaker 1: I'm I think he did it. Actually, Uh, he had
Speaker 1: an extensive like he's been out of college since two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. He played, Yeah, he played a lot
Speaker 1: of like Arena league football. I think, yeah, he played
Speaker 1: a lot of Arena league football. And I don't think
Speaker 1: he got to the NFL until twenty twelve, and then
Speaker 1: he went back. He went back to Arena league for
Speaker 1: a little while too, Like he's, oh andy, there's some
Speaker 1: CFL on this resume. Yeah, my man. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's easy to crack jokes, but like, good on him,
Speaker 1: Like that's a hell of a success story to turn
Speaker 1: that into. You know, you've been on three or four
Speaker 1: NFL teams and signed three or four contracts. I mean,
Speaker 1: good for you, so I have in my story then
Speaker 1: I said that he played high school ball right right
Speaker 1: next to or near AT and T Stadium. Uh, not
Speaker 1: exactly true. He probably like he played it next to
Speaker 1: the construction. He's probably an it next to the construction site. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it. Hang, I thought that was safe there.
Speaker 1: This places it open eleven years all right. Well, definitely
Speaker 1: not not anything, not anything, not anyone exciting, but an
Speaker 1: extra body and quote unquote some veteran experience, if you
Speaker 1: can call that veteran experience. But we'll see. Hopefully the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do better in this free agency. So far, there
Speaker 1: hasn't been any splash right now, which people hate, but
Speaker 1: we know that's kind of the Cowboys trend and what
Speaker 1: they usually do by moving on to the on the
Speaker 1: list to the wide receiver position. We know that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did agree on a contract and on a one
Speaker 1: year deal with wide receiver Noah Brown, and then they
Speaker 1: are expected to give Cedric Wilson the tender. So two
Speaker 1: guys that we've talked about on the show. Any surprises here,
Speaker 1: good or bad? Are you guys happy with kind of
Speaker 1: those decisions that the Cowboys have made. With those two guys.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been like a there's been a tone
Speaker 1: of sarcasm, I think to the entire opening of the show,
Speaker 1: which is totally fair in my opinion. But I genuinely
Speaker 1: they have done a few things that I genuinely love.
Speaker 1: And bringing back Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson or two
Speaker 1: of them, because I neither one of them was expensive.
Speaker 1: They've both you know, they're both well familiar with everything
Speaker 1: that's asked of them here. You know, Noah's been here
Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen, Cedric's been here since twenty eighteen. I
Speaker 1: hesitate to use the term break out because you know,
Speaker 1: they were still role players last year, but they certainly
Speaker 1: made their biggest contributions yet to the team, and it
Speaker 1: certainly looked like they were both going to have bigger
Speaker 1: roles before Dak got hurt. I think you kind of
Speaker 1: pair things down when you lose your starting quarterback. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Cedric had that amazing game in Seattle, you know, a
Speaker 1: week or two before Dak went down, and now you know,
Speaker 1: you keep your receiver corep intact and it keeps you
Speaker 1: from really having to do anything. You know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they want to draft a guy to deal with maybe
Speaker 1: losing Michael Gallup, but that could also be a problem
Speaker 1: for next year. You know, you could tag Gallop, you
Speaker 1: could do something with a Mari's contract. So I like
Speaker 1: this because it keeps the group in tac for at
Speaker 1: least one more year, and you know, you can make
Speaker 1: some hard decisions next year. But on a team with
Speaker 1: this many holes to fill, it's nice to think that,
Speaker 1: you know wide receiver, you don't have to do anything
Speaker 1: with it right now, because I think one through five
Speaker 1: that's about as good as you could ask for, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Dave, I didn't even I should have looked
Speaker 1: this up. What is the Noah Brown's salary? What did
Speaker 1: they pay for him? I honestly, I don't think the
Speaker 1: terms have even been disclosed, because you know, it's technically
Speaker 1: I know, you can resign your own like you can
Speaker 1: resign your own during the tampering period. But I don't
Speaker 1: think any of these guys have actually signed their deals.
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time believing Noah Brown is
Speaker 1: going to make more than you know, a million or two.
Speaker 1: Like I, it just you know, Cris Cedric's tag is
Speaker 1: for two million dollars. I can't that would be more
Speaker 1: than that. I thought that was a little high. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done that if I
Speaker 1: was the Cowboys. You know, you don't have to you
Speaker 1: don't have to give him a restricted tender. You could
Speaker 1: just sign him to whatever you want. I think I
Speaker 1: probably would have done that two point one million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with doing that for Antoine Woods, but I
Speaker 1: mean for Cedric Wilson. I'm you know, I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying about having that intact, but you know, I
Speaker 1: just I feel like you could probably they could probably
Speaker 1: get him cheaper than that, and I don't believe that's guaranteed,
Speaker 1: so they don't necessarily have to to to keep him
Speaker 1: if they if they want to, you know, move him.
Speaker 1: He did make some good strides though last year, especially
Speaker 1: when with with dak So. I would imagine he'll be
Speaker 1: a regular at the at the Prescott Ranch or whatever
Speaker 1: they they're calling his his his field over there, Yeahike Yard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's das guy, no doubt. So hey and may you know, hey,
Speaker 1: when you're the when you're the forty million dollars face
Speaker 1: of the franchise. Maybe maybe Dak's got that cache where
Speaker 1: he's like, how about y'all under my guy and just
Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't go anywhere. That's true, he's got that. Now, Well,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take a quick break. When we
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Speaker 1: Break now, Mega. I was at the Star District actually
Speaker 1: last night, and I saw Joe Looney there, so I
Speaker 1: don't And I was kind of talking to him briefly,
Speaker 1: kind of yelled at him and he yelled back, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got the sense he might be
Speaker 1: coming back. Did you get any formation. Well, I was
Speaker 1: kind of loud in there, and he was kind of
Speaker 1: gone up and he was excited, you know, just because
Speaker 1: he was excited, I think he'd be you know, he'd
Speaker 1: be excited even if he heard some really bad news.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just that's just the guy he is.
Speaker 1: But I get the sense that he might be coming back,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney back in Dallas. We'll seecred to know. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you can you can do all that at the
Speaker 1: Star District. You never know who you're gonna see at
Speaker 1: the Star District. Honestly, that's not even that's not even
Speaker 1: me trying to sell it. Like, hang out there enough,
Speaker 1: you'll probably run into somebody interesting. Like it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's right there next to the facility, so you never
Speaker 1: know who's gonna pop out to grab something to eat
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Speaker 1: You never know. I was thinking about like legitimately important people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that too. You guys are important too. Um okay,
Speaker 1: moving on to the defensive tackle position, Nick, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw it back to you with Antoine Woods, he is
Speaker 1: expected to receive the tender thoughts on this, Um, how
Speaker 1: are you guys feeling about that decision? Yeah? I I
Speaker 1: like him. I've always liked his game. I think it
Speaker 1: I think it fits. We'll see how it fits in
Speaker 1: this kind of scheme, in this newer scheme, but it's
Speaker 1: it's a scheme that they've that marion Elli ran pretty
Speaker 1: much a couple of years ago, so and I thought
Speaker 1: he did well in that too. So, um, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good fit. Um, you know, he
Speaker 1: was probably hoping for a bigger deal. I know he's
Speaker 1: been looking for Yeah, yeah, he's been. He's been, he's
Speaker 1: been seeking a bigger deal. I mean, he probably thought
Speaker 1: he was going to get a better contract when he
Speaker 1: joined up with Drew Rosenhouse as his agent long time ago.
Speaker 1: So you know, he probably wasn't anticipating this. But where
Speaker 1: they are with their defensive tackles, they've got some young
Speaker 1: guys with Gallimore Tristan Hill. You know, I think he
Speaker 1: fits in there. I still think they need a bigger body,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's going to happen. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't foresee the him getting Gerald McCoy. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. So I think he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably going to be the veteran of
Speaker 1: the group, especially if Tyrone Crawford retires, like it's being
Speaker 1: you know, like that's being anticipated that he will. I
Speaker 1: feel bad for Antoine because the I mean, the brutal
Speaker 1: reality is like, if you're an undrafted player, you gotta
Speaker 1: work really hard to reach true free agency. You know,
Speaker 1: like he was an exclusive rights free agent last year,
Speaker 1: which means that Cowboys had like they could tender him
Speaker 1: for an even cheaper price, and nobody could even you know,
Speaker 1: at least now under the restricted tender, another team could
Speaker 1: potentially make him an offer. They couldn't even do that
Speaker 1: last year. And now it's you know, it's very unlikely.
Speaker 1: Restricted free agents don't typically get offer sheets. It doesn't
Speaker 1: happen very often. So you know, Antoine, Antoine entered the
Speaker 1: league in twenty fifteen, and it'll be twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: before he can enter true free agency and kind of
Speaker 1: name his own price. That's that sucks, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. I'm I'm happy to have him back.
Speaker 1: You know. I love his demeanor and what he brings
Speaker 1: to the team. You know, no offense to him, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's enough. You know, the trio of him,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore, like, I like that, but
Speaker 1: I don't love it. Gerald McCoy whatever, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think damakinsue is likely to come here. I I
Speaker 1: spit out my coffee this morning when I saw what
Speaker 1: the Lions had to give up to get Michael Brocker's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you told me I could
Speaker 1: get a guy like that for a future seventh round
Speaker 1: pick and his cap hit is only eight million dollars,
Speaker 1: it seems like a heck of a deal to me.
Speaker 1: But doesn't seem likely. Um, you know what's going on
Speaker 1: with Jerald McCoy because a couple of weeks we were
Speaker 1: talking about him and it seemed like we all thought
Speaker 1: that he might be back with the Cowboys. Do you
Speaker 1: guys know what wasn't exactly is happening with him. I
Speaker 1: was just told that that's probably not going to happen. Um,
Speaker 1: that doesn't That doesn't mean that it won't. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe that's has something to do with his price and
Speaker 1: his price tag, but um, the way it went down
Speaker 1: last year, you know, and they even said, well, we
Speaker 1: might bring him back, but that I don't know, Dave,
Speaker 1: that just never seemed like that was that was a
Speaker 1: situation that that's gonna be like reconnected, just the way
Speaker 1: it you know, when you when you say, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put a stipulation on this contract based on your
Speaker 1: right quad. We don't know, we don't know if we trusted.
Speaker 1: And then a week later the right quad blows out,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, ah, okay, well we're releasing you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just doesn't seem like you're just
Speaker 1: gonna a year later be like, hey, welcome back. I
Speaker 1: don't know it did it made me interested just the
Speaker 1: fact you know that he stayed in touch with all
Speaker 1: of these guys, you know, Neville Gallimore credited him as
Speaker 1: you know, constantly being in his ear and being willing
Speaker 1: to talk to him, even despite not even you know,
Speaker 1: guy wasn't even on IR, he wasn't on the team,
Speaker 1: but he still took an interest in these guys that
Speaker 1: he had only known for a couple of months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's a good that's a great point. Actually, I
Speaker 1: hadn't thought about that, but either, I mean maybe, but
Speaker 1: I yeah, I guess, I guess. I wouldn't have bet
Speaker 1: on it, but maybe. And that's what I was going
Speaker 1: to say, ag is like the unfortunate reality is the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna wait and see how the market shakes out,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean technically the league year doesn't open
Speaker 1: for another few hours, Like this has all been the
Speaker 1: legal tampering period, and there's I mean, there's still a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting talent out there and a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stuff left to develop.
Speaker 1: This doesn't affect the Cowboys, but just as an example,
Speaker 1: this free agent receiver market is just not happening at all.
Speaker 1: You know, Kenny Golladay and Juju Smith Schuster are just
Speaker 1: sitting out there, and you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similar situations, like when are we
Speaker 1: going to see these veteran cornerbacks start to signed? Patrick Peterson,
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, A J. Bouyer, Like where are those guys
Speaker 1: going to go? And how much money are they going
Speaker 1: to command? And you know it's frustrating to hear, but
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to see how all those dominoes
Speaker 1: fall and they're probably gonna keep an eye on who's
Speaker 1: still available in the next you know, four to seven days,
Speaker 1: and that's those are the names that will start circling.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not in their mo to be involved
Speaker 1: in this free Well, let's go ahead and jump into
Speaker 1: the cornerback position. Since you mentioned that position. I mean,
Speaker 1: Chidoya Woozia was a guy that we all expected him
Speaker 1: to be gone during the free agency. He's expected to
Speaker 1: sign a three year contract with the Bengals and then
Speaker 1: c J. Goodwin that's a good sign for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They are expecting to sign him on a two year
Speaker 1: deal and he has been a big contributor and on
Speaker 1: special teams for the Cowboys. So cornerback position, big position
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys that we know they do need help.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on this other than than what was expected. I mean,
Speaker 1: we do have Jordan Lewis that's still kind of helping
Speaker 1: the air. What are you guys expecting there to happen? Well,
Speaker 1: I do think the I think the CJ. Goodwin move
Speaker 1: is is a good one. I don't I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he's um he liked what I did. They're
Speaker 1: a good one, um he um. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: really a corner He's more of a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what you know. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: When when you see good plays on special teams, it
Speaker 1: always seems like he's around there, whether it's he's getting
Speaker 1: the watermelon kick or downing the ball. On the one
Speaker 1: yard line, or or getting a fumble or taking an
Speaker 1: eighty yards against Pittsburgh on that trick play. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the captain, he's leading a tackler, and I think
Speaker 1: that's a really good get for for the special teams
Speaker 1: units there. It sounds like there's gonna be some shake
Speaker 1: ups going on and all over the special teams, but uh,
Speaker 1: that's a good good get there and all that day.
Speaker 1: I'll let you talk about Cheeto and George and what
Speaker 1: you think will happen there. Yeah, I did. I mean
Speaker 1: a gain. Like I said, you're not gonna hear me
Speaker 1: say anything sarcastic about CJ. Goodwin. I love that signing
Speaker 1: a lot, like every team needs a guy like that,
Speaker 1: and I did, like people ask about that, and it's
Speaker 1: no offense to CJ. Goodwin. I don't even think about
Speaker 1: him as a cornerback like this. This team was banged
Speaker 1: up at corner all year last year, and they turned
Speaker 1: over every stone to bring in guys like Stephen Parker
Speaker 1: and Richard Robinson. They did all of that before CJ.
Speaker 1: Goodwin got a look, because that's how far down the
Speaker 1: depth chart he was. But he is an incredible special
Speaker 1: teams guy. You know, our buddy Danny McCrae was kind
Speaker 1: of like that years ago, and they're just they're invaluable.
Speaker 1: They block punts, they down punts, they tackle guys before
Speaker 1: they can return. The fake punt was amazing. Like, I
Speaker 1: love stories like that, and guys like that are really valuable.
Speaker 1: So I'm pumped that he's here. Um Cheeto. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Honestly, his deal was small than
Speaker 1: I thought it would be, but it was still pretty
Speaker 1: damn big. I mean, up to twenty two million. I
Speaker 1: think Cincinnati guaranteed him ten million in the first year
Speaker 1: of his deal, which is really nice for a guy
Speaker 1: that spent half of the last season hurt. You know,
Speaker 1: he's only twenty five years old, he's art and he's
Speaker 1: started forty games at twenty five. That's pretty that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: And you know, I had a long conversation about this
Speaker 1: on Twitter yesterday. Probably didn't live up to the expectations
Speaker 1: that you put on a second round draft pick, obviously
Speaker 1: given that he didn't sign a second contract here, but
Speaker 1: still a solid player, a good dude, good locker room guy,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have anything bad to say about Cheeto.
Speaker 1: It's just you can't keep everybody, especially if if they
Speaker 1: don't measure up to what you need. So great for
Speaker 1: him that he was able to get that deal, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Jordan would get as big
Speaker 1: of a deal. And that's why I'm at least optimistic
Speaker 1: that that the Cowboys might be able to resign him,
Speaker 1: because I think you can get him at a lower number,
Speaker 1: similar to what they did with Anthony Brown last year,
Speaker 1: and I would if they're able to do it, I
Speaker 1: would love that because that would give you, you know,
Speaker 1: two guys that are capable of playing in the slot,
Speaker 1: two veterans that have been here that understand the scheme,
Speaker 1: and it obviously wouldn't stop them from drafting a cornerback
Speaker 1: with a high pick. So I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. I think the Cowboys are interested in
Speaker 1: making it happen. So that's that's something to watch. I
Speaker 1: see that. I do see that happen. Sorry, I see
Speaker 1: that happening as far as him resigning, because I just
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to go into the draft
Speaker 1: with an absolute need. I mean, you want to have
Speaker 1: some needs. But I think if you just had Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown and Trey Von Diggs. I mean, there's everybody would
Speaker 1: know you've got to take a corner right there at ten,
Speaker 1: and then you probably got to come back around in
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round and get another one. So
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could resign Jordan Lewis, it's still
Speaker 1: it's still a high need, and I still think it
Speaker 1: would be their top priority in the first round. But
Speaker 1: I you know, I just you don't have to. You
Speaker 1: kind of cove yourself a little bit there. It kind
Speaker 1: of it goes back to what I was saying about
Speaker 1: following a manual, Like it's it's very it's it's a
Speaker 1: very similar story to what we hear every year, Like
Speaker 1: you say, oh, well, if we resigned George and we've
Speaker 1: got Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown and Treyvon Diggs. Probably not
Speaker 1: excited about going into a season with that being our
Speaker 1: top three, but at least you could do it. And
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with ty Niseki is like, don't
Speaker 1: love the thought of him being the third offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: but at least now we're not in the position where
Speaker 1: we're forced to spend one of our first two picks
Speaker 1: on an offensive tackle. I think. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: thought process. I'm not saying anybody has to be thrilled
Speaker 1: about it, but that's the thought process. Well, we'll see
Speaker 1: what they do with Jordan Lewis boy outside from their
Speaker 1: own guys. We've seen it in the past where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys end up getting a guy that's kind of interchangeable
Speaker 1: between safety and cornerback position and it's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: big name guy, but they're always like, oh, if we
Speaker 1: need them at this position, they can move. There are
Speaker 1: there any names out there that you guys might think
Speaker 1: of at the top of your head right now that
Speaker 1: could possibly be that kind of guy that could come
Speaker 1: in have some veteran experiencing them and also have that
Speaker 1: kind of flexibility as well. Yes, yeah, there are some names,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're names that people like to throw
Speaker 1: out there all the time. Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think it'll be interesting to see though, before
Speaker 1: you go that route, is are they going to get
Speaker 1: a safety, like a real safety, one that's actually done
Speaker 1: and in the game. And there's a perception people have
Speaker 1: done this for years. They think if you're a seven,
Speaker 1: eight year, ten year veteran corner that's lost a step,
Speaker 1: you just slide over to safety. I mean, it's natural,
Speaker 1: and that's not the way it works. You've got to
Speaker 1: be a smart guy. You've got to understand that the scheme.
Speaker 1: You've got to be willing to tackle. It's not just
Speaker 1: an older corner. Just because Rod Woodson, who's in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame did it and some others have done it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's an easy transition. That being said,
Speaker 1: is there a smarter person out there that's playing football
Speaker 1: than Richard Sherman? Not sure. That's a smart guy. If
Speaker 1: anyone can do it, I think he can do it,
Speaker 1: and I would love that signing, I really would. I
Speaker 1: know that that. I just think that would be so
Speaker 1: fun if he was here, and I think he'd be
Speaker 1: a good player. But you know, we'll see what the
Speaker 1: money's like and how if he could really transition. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ready to transition to safety though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean him and Patrick Peterson both I think can
Speaker 1: probably still make some money playing cornerback. But I guess
Speaker 1: we'll see. But would you hate that, Dave? If Patrick
Speaker 1: Pierson came here, I would do a fricking black flip.
Speaker 1: Where does he ranked on the all time Tigers in
Speaker 1: your list. I mean he's not He's not a hit
Speaker 1: on Honey Badger top five for sure. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's him, Joe Honey Badger. Um those I mean those
Speaker 1: are probably the big three. I could come up with
Speaker 1: a few more. Um No, But I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: it's it's exciting. It's exciting, but frustrating because there there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talented football players out here. Like we've
Speaker 1: talked about this, teams have had to do a lot
Speaker 1: of drastic stuff to get under the salary cap. Like
Speaker 1: even even with most of the big big days, like,
Speaker 1: there are still guys that I think can still play.
Speaker 1: Like a guy that I've talked about a lot for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Who a Texas guy. I'm sure he would
Speaker 1: love a chance to play for the Cowboys. Kenny Vaccaro.
Speaker 1: Trey Boston is one. Nineteenth time we've talked about the
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn connection with some of the Atlanta players like
Speaker 1: Demante kaze Kean O'Neil, Ricardo Alan, who else. I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at the name right now, Like there, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of guys have hit the market because of
Speaker 1: these cap constraints. The question and it goes back to
Speaker 1: kind of letting the dominoes fall. How long are the
Speaker 1: Cowboys gonna wait and how low does the price have
Speaker 1: to get before they express an interest in any of
Speaker 1: these guys, And that's I think it's a waiting game,
Speaker 1: and I understand that it's a frustrating waiting game. But
Speaker 1: hopefully when they do decide to dip their toe in
Speaker 1: the water, because they will, I mean, we do this
Speaker 1: every year, like every year, everybody's very frustrated and sarcastic
Speaker 1: for the first few days, and they eventually dip their
Speaker 1: toe in the water. I'm not saying obviously the signings
Speaker 1: haven't been great, but they'll they'll target some guys eventually,
Speaker 1: and hopefully when they finally decide to do that, there's
Speaker 1: still some better players available than they usually are. Well,
Speaker 1: when you see teams like the Patriots making big, splashing moves,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard out to get for us traded
Speaker 1: and say, hey, when aren't we making a big splash
Speaker 1: or I mean, I know that Dak Prescott was the
Speaker 1: biggest splash right now, but still in free agency itself,
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's always frustrating. You know, every year
Speaker 1: you gotta remember too about about you know, the Patriots,
Speaker 1: Like if if if the Cowboys had let Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: go and he goes and wins the Super Bowl, then
Speaker 1: the next year you got all this money, then you
Speaker 1: better go do something because they have egg on their face.
Speaker 1: I mean, they let the greatest quarterback of all time
Speaker 1: go to another team and they won a super Bowl
Speaker 1: in their first year. You better go do something and
Speaker 1: spending your money and go get get some guys. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I give them credit, they've they've done it,
Speaker 1: but they're they're you know, they took they got their
Speaker 1: ass kicked last year, you know, both literally and then
Speaker 1: also like in the media and all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: they're fighting back. You know, Belichick's not gonna sit back
Speaker 1: and take that. But I'm just saying, you're right what
Speaker 1: you just said, Cowboys. You can't get all excited a
Speaker 1: week ago, go finally we go, finally got Dak. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad we got him. And then wonder where the
Speaker 1: money is. I mean, that's that's where the money is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'll definitely I'll defend the Cowboys on that front
Speaker 1: all day, every day. The Patriots. Bill Belichick's great he's
Speaker 1: arguably the best coach ever. What they have done speaks
Speaker 1: for itself. But they they are a talent poor team
Speaker 1: right now, or they were before they spent all that money.
Speaker 1: They haven't drafted all that well. They don't have Tom
Speaker 1: Brady or Grunk anymore. They let their best guard walk
Speaker 1: in free agency. They've got a few guys on defense.
Speaker 1: You know, Stefan Gilmour is still a good player. Donte
Speaker 1: high Tower opted out of the season, But like, didn't
Speaker 1: have any good receivers, didn't have any good tight ends,
Speaker 1: had a you know, a stable of like okay running backs. Obviously,
Speaker 1: don't have a top tier quarterback, so they better spend
Speaker 1: some damn money. Yeah, you know, it's basically like they did.
Speaker 1: They did the same thing that the Jags and the
Speaker 1: Browns do every other year, which is to say they
Speaker 1: were terrible, didn't have any talent, so they went out
Speaker 1: into free agency to try to fix it. The only
Speaker 1: differences We're used to seeing the Patriots contend for Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: so it seems weird to see them do that. But
Speaker 1: I would, and you can make all the snarky comments
Speaker 1: you want. I know, the Cowboys were bad last year.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have talented players, like the Patriots would love
Speaker 1: to have any of the Cowboys' best six or seven players,
Speaker 1: including their quarterback. So I will defend the Cowboys on
Speaker 1: that front that I would rather have a bunch of
Speaker 1: good players under contract and not have a ton of
Speaker 1: money to spend than have to go out and sign
Speaker 1: other people's players because I don't have any good ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, last last week, I will say this,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I will say this. I do. What I
Speaker 1: do like about what the Patriots have done is that
Speaker 1: it's their willing willingness to adapt. You know, I don't don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why you have to have one
Speaker 1: way that you do it. You know, Steven Jones said
Speaker 1: it the other day, and I respectfully disagree. Actually was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we feel like, well, I don't agree with
Speaker 1: him saying we feel like the best way is to
Speaker 1: build through the I agree with that that is the
Speaker 1: best way. It's the cheapest way, but it doesn't always work.
Speaker 1: I think you've got to have a willingness to adapt
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, this year, we do need
Speaker 1: to add a little bit more pieces. We need to
Speaker 1: be more aggressive in free agency, we're gonna make a
Speaker 1: splash early, just be able to do. It's not one
Speaker 1: way that's worked because in twenty we all know it's
Speaker 1: been well documented. In twenty five years it has not worked.
Speaker 1: So I don't really understand why there's all you always
Speaker 1: have the same approach all the time. I would like
Speaker 1: to see a different approaching out. They just don't have
Speaker 1: the money, that's one thing, but there's been some years
Speaker 1: that they have some and I think that they need
Speaker 1: to alter the approach a little bit more than they do,
Speaker 1: which and that's I mean, we obviously we can agree
Speaker 1: on that. That's the frustrating thing to me is not
Speaker 1: that they don't spend big. It's that it's this zero
Speaker 1: or sixty approach. They're like the only way to do
Speaker 1: it is to spend no money, or you go like
Speaker 1: you know, twenty twelve and drop fifty million dollars on
Speaker 1: a cornerback like they did with Brandon Carr. Like you
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was only it was only two years ago. What did
Speaker 1: they trade to get Robert Quinn like a fifth Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's the stuff that aggravates me again, I know,
Speaker 1: Michael Brocker's cap hit is big, but you can find
Speaker 1: a way to make that work. And all Detroit gave
Speaker 1: up to get him was a future seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: We see teams do stuff like that all the time,
Speaker 1: Like your draft picks aren't that valuable? You can use
Speaker 1: them to go get talented players and ms he was
Speaker 1: with the Rams. Yeah, he was sure. That wasn't like
Speaker 1: a player to be named later. You know what do
Speaker 1: you mean, wasn't he was just Oh, as part of
Speaker 1: the golf deal. Yeah, I will say, in fairness to
Speaker 1: in fairness to the Cowboys, the Lions, GM used to
Speaker 1: work for the Rams. Yeah, So like that's an I mean,
Speaker 1: that's an And I don't want to get too hung
Speaker 1: up on the specific trade. My point is trades like
Speaker 1: this happen in the NFL every single year. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: did it with Robert Quinn and it worked out really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that just it seems stuff like that often enough,
Speaker 1: Like nobody's asking you to go sign an eighty million
Speaker 1: dollar contract, but you got to do more than scrape
Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel. You've been doing that for
Speaker 1: a decade and it hasn't done anything. Well, we gave
Speaker 1: them praise by the way they structure DA's deal in
Speaker 1: the way and the amount of money that they were
Speaker 1: able to save for this year, and we talked about
Speaker 1: how they might possibly use that obviously a diff agency.
Speaker 1: So my next question when we come back from the
Speaker 1: break is do you guys expect the Cowboys to use
Speaker 1: that money that they currently have to evenly kind of
Speaker 1: distribute it and address several positions or is there a
Speaker 1: position that you feel that the Cowboys could spend a
Speaker 1: little bit more in free agency? Not necessarily a big,
Speaker 1: big old splash, but a little splash that can get
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Speaker 1: got it? Cool? All right? Well, I posted the question
Speaker 1: big olds or just kind of wet your feed and
Speaker 1: kind of see if it's cold or not, and then
Speaker 1: slowly get in the pool type of uh splash. That
Speaker 1: was terrible. That was a terrible analogy. But I don't
Speaker 1: care whatever, who's gonna do. Just give me a name
Speaker 1: a position. You're looking for a cannonball, right, You're looking
Speaker 1: for a cannonball that's gonna just like get everybody wet,
Speaker 1: which that was last week. They did that. They made
Speaker 1: the big splash last week. But to answer your question,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, like like, is there is
Speaker 1: there a position that you're like, we're just gonna get
Speaker 1: We're not just gonna spread this around. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: one guy. We're gonna sign one big guy here. Um,
Speaker 1: I would probably do a center. And I don't call
Speaker 1: that the most intriguing position or the most needed position,
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, and I've made it clear,
Speaker 1: I think Nick Martin would be a good addition. I
Speaker 1: think that if you get a big time safety corner,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's a chance he's good. Maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen where they they they don't play well,
Speaker 1: their first round pick, they're a former pro bowler, they
Speaker 1: come here and it just doesn't work out. If you
Speaker 1: signed a guy like Nick Martin or or a center
Speaker 1: that can really solidify the position. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna suck. He's not gonna suck. You put him
Speaker 1: next to Zach Martin, you put him next to Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: or you put him whoever on that line. I just
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna suck. And I think that that
Speaker 1: you have the best chance to get a really good
Speaker 1: player if you get a guy there to help your
Speaker 1: the middle of your offense. That's I mean, it's it's exciting,
Speaker 1: but also frustrating. Age. It's kind of like what I said,
Speaker 1: because right now, again the league year hasn't even opened,
Speaker 1: but right now I think there's more capable veterans that
Speaker 1: can still play at a high level available than there
Speaker 1: usually is because of all of the things teams have
Speaker 1: had to do to get under the cap. The question is,
Speaker 1: how are those markets going to develop and are those guys?
Speaker 1: Will any of those guys be cheap enough that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would take a look, Like I could go down
Speaker 1: the list of guys that I think still might be
Speaker 1: able to give you something. Uh Kawan Short, I know
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with injuries, but again, if you sign
Speaker 1: him low enough, it's low risk, high reward. Jurrell Casey
Speaker 1: is a name that is intriguing to me. Anybody that
Speaker 1: was tied to Dan Quinn in Atlanta is intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: Whether that's Keyan O'Neil, Demante, Kazi, Ricardo Allen. Oh geez,
Speaker 1: there's I already mentioned some of the safeties, Kenny Vacaro
Speaker 1: and interesting. Getting the head of the Cowboys close your
Speaker 1: eyes and think like you're Stephen Jones. Oh that's what
Speaker 1: That's what makes it frustrating is because if I got
Speaker 1: on the head of the Cowboys, they'd probably just be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, he wants to well hold on, if we're
Speaker 1: doing that. If we're doing that, that we're gonna sign
Speaker 1: Robert Griffin the third That's that's a that's a guy
Speaker 1: that they would sign because he's come here, he's beat
Speaker 1: their ass on Thanksgiving, even though it was ten years ago.
Speaker 1: He's done. You know, he's a name, he's Texas guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he'll be relatively cheap. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a quarterback obviously, but it's those type
Speaker 1: of those type of guys. There's just unfortunately, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it just depends on how some of this
Speaker 1: stuff plays out. I think I think there's probably a
Speaker 1: dozen or more guys that they would have interest in signing,
Speaker 1: but only at a price that they like. And that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's going to take time for
Speaker 1: some of this stuff to sort itself out and for
Speaker 1: them to do well. I think that's why everything they've
Speaker 1: done so far has other than Niseki every like, the
Speaker 1: majority of what they've done has just been tying up
Speaker 1: loosens with their own guys and and we'll see, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, it might not take a week, but I
Speaker 1: just think it's a it's a slow play. It always
Speaker 1: is with these guys. So what what I'm hoping is
Speaker 1: that when this kind of first spree of spending is over,
Speaker 1: is that there's still a healthy amount of like veteran
Speaker 1: players looking for that's because of the cap situation. That's
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to offer you hope that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to sign talented players. I think that is
Speaker 1: that's the hope. Yeah, Can we at least hope that
Speaker 1: anything that they do this year should be better than
Speaker 1: what they did last year and a better turnout of
Speaker 1: what happened in last year's free agency because that was
Speaker 1: a total uh, I don't know the word, like it
Speaker 1: just didn't work out for them. Any of the veteran
Speaker 1: guys that they brought through free agency just didn't make
Speaker 1: it through well with one. I think that's part of it. Sorry, Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean Greg Greg Zerline was one of the best
Speaker 1: players that they had, one of the most consistent players.
Speaker 1: He's forgotten a lot because these special teams, I get it,
Speaker 1: but he was one of the more exciting moves. When
Speaker 1: they get it, it it was like, holy crap, really, you know,
Speaker 1: I know people were excited there and he had a
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good year, so um, you know, one
Speaker 1: of couple of games for them, pretty steady that was.
Speaker 1: That was one one move there. And uh. And I
Speaker 1: say that to say, you know, he was connected with
Speaker 1: John Fossil, who's been with the Rams, and we should
Speaker 1: probably at least throw it out there that it's it's
Speaker 1: been highly reported. It looks like it's going to happen
Speaker 1: where they the Cowboys could bring in a long snapper there. Um. Uh.
Speaker 1: Jake McQuaid I believe is his name. He's been with
Speaker 1: the Rams several years and so obviously that would signal
Speaker 1: the end of LP Lattiser's time here um with the Cowboys. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I saw a lot of people when these
Speaker 1: reports started coming out a couple of days ago. I
Speaker 1: saw a lot of people question him as to why,
Speaker 1: like why make that kind of decision when we know
Speaker 1: LP Ladiser has been a guy super consistent for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He doesn't ever really makes an error. There was one
Speaker 1: time that it wasn't necessarily his fault, but other than that,
Speaker 1: in all the years that he's been here with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: been consistent every time. He's always there doing what he's
Speaker 1: asked to do. So I guess, Dave, you can go
Speaker 1: ahead and get started on this question, like why do
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys went ahead and they haven't made
Speaker 1: that move, but it's being reported that they might make
Speaker 1: the move there and just kind of part ways with Ladiser.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is interesting, like you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem completely finalized with McQuaid, but it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: LP's coming back. And if that's the case, I would
Speaker 1: just say, don't underestimate the poll of coaches, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: like we'd beat this into the ground with Rod Marinelli,
Speaker 1: like coaches want to work with their guys, the guys
Speaker 1: that like either get what they're asking them to do,
Speaker 1: or guys that they have a good relationship with. It's
Speaker 1: no surprise, you know, guys that have worked with Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli have flocked to Las Vegas since he got to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas because you get in and you say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not what I want. I'm going to get a
Speaker 1: guy that does what I want. And and clearly John
Speaker 1: Fossil has pull. Uh. They resigned C. J. Goodwin, who
Speaker 1: was their their best special teamer, and they brought in
Speaker 1: greg'sirline when he got here, who was his kicker the
Speaker 1: whole time he was with the Rams. And if they
Speaker 1: bring in the Rams long snapper who I mean he
Speaker 1: seems good by all accounts because I mean he made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl twice twice. Yeah, so coaches have pull
Speaker 1: and and if if the Cowboys are moving on from
Speaker 1: LP in favor of a guy that John Fossil worked
Speaker 1: with for a long time, I think it. I think
Speaker 1: that's why I think the number, you know, I think
Speaker 1: the number four scares people when you're looking at age.
Speaker 1: So he just turned forty only in football, though Nick
Speaker 1: not for not for like not for you. Yeah, only
Speaker 1: in football. I mean, you know, people will say, oh,
Speaker 1: you have to do a snap, and for the most part,
Speaker 1: that's really all you have to do. They protected these
Speaker 1: guys now with the rules that they're not getting you know,
Speaker 1: hit after they snap. The only thing is you got
Speaker 1: to go down there and run and you know, make
Speaker 1: plays on specially you don't have to make He's just
Speaker 1: gotta run down there. And I still thought, you know,
Speaker 1: he did a nice job with that, So I think
Speaker 1: you're right, this isn't really about you know, uh production,
Speaker 1: And I don't even know what you're talking about when
Speaker 1: you said he had one bad player. I can't even
Speaker 1: remember any of them. Are you talking about the snap
Speaker 1: and fraction? She's talking about the pen in Washington? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was not Yeah I still don't Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even know, um exactly what went down there. And I
Speaker 1: mean he took the blame for it, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think that they were you know about who you
Speaker 1: want to work with, who you want to who you
Speaker 1: want to deal with. And you know, LP is what
Speaker 1: he is is is he the nicest guy in the world?
Speaker 1: Like no, but is he the mean? He's not mean
Speaker 1: he's just he's just LP. He's a deep snapper. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. It's just hard to get
Speaker 1: better than zero bad snaps. So good luck, I guess.
Speaker 1: I But, like I said, like we see this all
Speaker 1: over the league, like coaches, coaches have polling, they make
Speaker 1: decisions like this, like John Gruden cut arguably the best
Speaker 1: center in the league yesterday, and as far as I
Speaker 1: can figure out, there was no real reason behind it.
Speaker 1: I think maybe John Gruden just doesn't like the guy
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. Like, but and like I
Speaker 1: said with Rod, like we saw this all the time,
Speaker 1: Like coaches are just kind of like that sometimes where
Speaker 1: they're like I don't want that guy. I want my guy.
Speaker 1: Well but this guy is really good. It's like I
Speaker 1: don't care, I don't want that guy. I want my guy.
Speaker 1: Like coaches do that all the time. And by the way,
Speaker 1: when you said John Fossil has Pool, we saw that
Speaker 1: in Thanksgiving when he said, hey, coach, what do you
Speaker 1: think about running this fake punt here on fourth and ten?
Speaker 1: Like you know, okay, well let's do it. I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's kind of Pool, maybe not anymore, but yeah, well
Speaker 1: LP is gonna miss those cookies. He's gonna there's another
Speaker 1: part this too. You know who else is excited about this,
Speaker 1: Jason Jason Witten too. Two hundred and fifty five games
Speaker 1: play Jason Witten and LP breathing down his neck at
Speaker 1: two fifty three. Let's put a stop to that. So
Speaker 1: it's like Jason Whitten will be the all and if
Speaker 1: LP never plays again for the Cowboys and all that,
Speaker 1: if that happens, nobody's getting two fifty five. Like that's
Speaker 1: that hard to That's not happening anymore, not in this
Speaker 1: not the way the NFL is now. Guy's moving so much.
Speaker 1: He just you can't see that happen because you gotta
Speaker 1: not only do you have to play seventeen years, you
Speaker 1: can't miss any games. So I mean it's for both
Speaker 1: of them. Tho, I've gotta give credit. And I'll say this.
Speaker 1: Let me say this real quick about LP. One of
Speaker 1: the more fascinating stories ever as far as a guy
Speaker 1: that that got here, just an unbelievable right place, right time.
Speaker 1: And I've I've lived at myself, so I appreciate that
Speaker 1: even more. This guy. If we wouldn't have stayed a
Speaker 1: week in California, which we've never done ever since I've
Speaker 1: been here to stay a week, but in between regular
Speaker 1: season games played the Raiders and the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: If we weren't there and the guy wouldn't have messed
Speaker 1: up the week before, we needed a snapper. Here's a
Speaker 1: guy sitting at San Jose State. If he if he
Speaker 1: was from Clemson, he wouldn't have been called. But he
Speaker 1: was right there. He drove over, had good snap. They said,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, we're gonna sign you. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: see how it goes for this game. And it went
Speaker 1: for seven or sixteen straight years without a bad snap.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty great career and pretty awesome timing for him.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, if he is done with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you got to give him credit
Speaker 1: for an outstanding career. Yeah. Now with that, we are
Speaker 1: ready to end the show with that cool story. What's
Speaker 1: what's the official time? What's the official time for free
Speaker 1: agency to starts at three pm? The league year begins
Speaker 1: at three pm Central time, So I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this live, that's yeah, two and a half
Speaker 1: hours from now. But but fair to say that towards
Speaker 1: the end of the day. I mean, we should start
Speaker 1: hearing some more things about the Cowboys, even if it's
Speaker 1: their own guys that they're signing. Yeah. Maybe maybe never never,
Speaker 1: don't try to put a timetable on the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If I've learned anything. I bet they signed three guys today. Well,
Speaker 1: they usually signed their own Yeah, there we go, Nick,
Speaker 1: Nick Nick loves that. Yeah, I bet they signed three
Speaker 1: three players today. Um, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: four players they signed today. Three of them will be
Speaker 1: resigned and one will be somebody different. Well, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll see any clue like you want to imply something.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you already kind of well. I
Speaker 1: do think they're gonna resign. Um, I think Joe Looney
Speaker 1: is a chance to be resigned. I could be wrong
Speaker 1: with this. I mean, who knows what they're what they're saying.
Speaker 1: I think they're in talks of it. I think Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Lewis. Um, who else could be resigned?
Speaker 1: Maybe Blake Bell? No, what about what about the outside guy?
Speaker 1: Oh that guy? Yeah, that little guy. I wouldn't worry
Speaker 1: about that little guy. Okay, there we go. By no way.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just realized that we and we
Speaker 1: have to go. But we never got to talk about
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas and him expected to sign a one year
Speaker 1: deal with the Houston Texans. To me, that's a big
Speaker 1: loss for the Cowboys. He was a guy that I mean,
Speaker 1: especially at the linebacker position. That it's already a position
Speaker 1: of need for the Cowboys. So any comments, real, real,
Speaker 1: real quick before we leave the show. H Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was bummed to see that. You know, the special teams.
Speaker 1: I would like to think that either Luke Gifford or
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard can help you replace that. So that isn't terrible.
Speaker 1: But the thing that made Joe valuable was he had
Speaker 1: the experience in the ability to step in and start.
Speaker 1: You don't have that right now. You definitely don't have it.
Speaker 1: If Sean Lee decides to retire, we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with him. And yeah, I mean, I think linebackers is sneaky,
Speaker 1: sneaky big need for this team. It's not even sneaky,
Speaker 1: it's just a big need. And so you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what they do in free agency. But I would
Speaker 1: be trying to address that in the draft early. If
Speaker 1: I were them agreed. That's tough loss. I thought, we're
Speaker 1: out of times. Yes, everything Dave said, I agree, this
Speaker 1: guy could start. He starts with you, So he starts,
Speaker 1: and he was always ready. He's a big hitter, big hitter.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna miss him here, hopefully, Like I
Speaker 1: always do, address the position, whether that's here in free
Speaker 1: agency or through the draft at least. So anyways, that's
Speaker 1: it for today. We are out of time for Nicki Man.
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