Speaker 1: Hi, Brian, Hi Katie, and hello listeners everywhere. By the
Speaker 1: time you hear this, Brian and I will probably be
Speaker 1: off with our own families celebrating Thanksgiving. But we also
Speaker 1: suspect you might need a little escape from the family drama,
Speaker 1: the big knockdown, drag out fights, and political conversations you
Speaker 1: might be having, not to mention the extra dry turkey
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving tends to bring. So this week we're revisiting one
Speaker 1: of our favorite episodes of podcasts past, and this guest
Speaker 1: always serves a very moist turkey. Last year, Katie and
Speaker 1: I met with the inimitable Martha Stewart at the headquarters
Speaker 1: of her empire, Martha Stewart Living Omni Media. The offices
Speaker 1: take up an entire city block, appropriately so in the
Speaker 1: Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, right along the Hudson River, and
Speaker 1: they definitely passed the white glove tests. They were beautiful
Speaker 1: and of course very clean. Martha, no surprise here is
Speaker 1: not particularly messy. We would never get along. We would
Speaker 1: be Oscar and Felix. And we walked around the joint afterwards,
Speaker 1: and I have to tell you, the place is stocked.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty amazing color coded design books, test kitchens, plural,
Speaker 1: a million different props for photo shoots. As Martha might say, Brian,
Speaker 1: it's a good thing anyway. For more than thirty five years,
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart has dominated all things domestic. She's lent her
Speaker 1: good taste and name to everything from TV shows, cookbooks,
Speaker 1: to bath towels, meal kits, magazines, and so much more.
Speaker 1: She's like a cottage industry, and I think she's made
Speaker 1: elegance accessible to the average person. And in our conversation,
Speaker 1: we wanted to get a better sense of the woman
Speaker 1: behind the empire, how she stays so productive, what motivates her,
Speaker 1: and the ups and downs in her life and career.
Speaker 1: When we interviewed her, she was just putting out a
Speaker 1: slow cooker cookbook. It was her eighty ninth cookbook, if
Speaker 1: you could believe that. And by the way, I'm still
Speaker 1: planning to purchase a slow cooker. I just looked at
Speaker 1: her cookbook the other day, Brian. It's sitting on my
Speaker 1: kitchen counter and I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: need to try some of these. You've got to do it.
Speaker 1: Slow cookers are awesome. You prep everything in the morning
Speaker 1: and time you've got a wonderful meal. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: it happen. She also was just starting her new TV
Speaker 1: show with Snoop Dogg called pot Luck Tenner Party. Get
Speaker 1: the double on Tendra there, folks, pot Lucky. I guess
Speaker 1: the show really is brought in the green because it's
Speaker 1: just rapid second season anyway. You know, we've really, we've
Speaker 1: really gone off the rails here. Anyway, Let's get to
Speaker 1: our conversation with Martha Stewart, and you might want to
Speaker 1: have a plate of leftovers at the ready, because this
Speaker 1: podcast is going to make you very hungry, and not
Speaker 1: just because of Snoop Dogg. Before we go all the
Speaker 1: way back, I think a lot of people remember that
Speaker 1: moment when Martha Stewart living Omni Media went public and
Speaker 1: you served homemade brio sh at the New York stock Et.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about the journey of the
Speaker 1: company since then to the point that you're sort of
Speaker 1: selling it now you're no longer. That was the probably
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting days in my life, except
Speaker 1: for the day that my daughter Alexis was born, uh
Speaker 1: and maybe the day I got married, and then two
Speaker 1: days that my grandchildren were born. Uh, maybe my cats
Speaker 1: and my dogs, but most exciting day of your life.
Speaker 1: But I have a lot of I have a lot
Speaker 1: of pets. So this was a very exciting day going
Speaker 1: public because I had worked really hard to build a
Speaker 1: superb company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of a cutting edge company. And this was a company
Speaker 1: me that actually took into consideration the Internet, the television,
Speaker 1: the printed word, the media, as well as merchandising. So
Speaker 1: it was really truly on the media. And we still are.
Speaker 1: We're still on the media. I love I love the
Speaker 1: idea of being on the media. And we took ourselves
Speaker 1: away from publishing the magazine with Time Inc. We started
Speaker 1: publishing on our own uh. And that day, um, we
Speaker 1: went public at a share of I think it was
Speaker 1: eighteen dollars a share, which went up to about thirty
Speaker 1: two dollars. I was a multibillionaire at that day. It
Speaker 1: was so I drove up Madison Avenew after after the
Speaker 1: long day, and I said, I said, God, I can
Speaker 1: buy pretty much anything. Did you know? I was so stupid.
Speaker 1: I should have I should have spent it all then
Speaker 1: because everything was much cheaper than than it is now
Speaker 1: you could and I don't. Well, I should have bought
Speaker 1: could have, should have, would have, could have. That's a
Speaker 1: whole chapter in my autobiography, which I am penning right now.
Speaker 1: You are making one too. We're gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you anything else then, because you'll you'll copy me,
Speaker 1: forget my sister. But that should is I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a big chapter in your life too. And it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that happens to everybody. I mean you.
Speaker 1: I remember every single antique that I didn't buy it,
Speaker 1: every single auction I went to from the time I
Speaker 1: was married in nineteen sixty one. Can you imagine it
Speaker 1: seemed too expensive at the time. No, it just seemed
Speaker 1: though I can't afford it, or maybe it will fit.
Speaker 1: And I should have bought everything. I should have been
Speaker 1: the biggest consumer because but I am a very frugal
Speaker 1: person and I still oh my god, it's and my
Speaker 1: daughter is more frugal than you are. And my daughter,
Speaker 1: thank you, points out all the time, why don't you
Speaker 1: have your own airplane, mom? Why don't you have your
Speaker 1: own yacht in the river? And you know, she she
Speaker 1: knows I could have had pretty much anything. I still
Speaker 1: Actually I've done pretty well, and I should we still
Speaker 1: do some of those things. But I'm not an extravagant liver.
Speaker 1: I live simply personally, although I do have you know,
Speaker 1: I live on a farm of nice I know, but
Speaker 1: it's simple. I don't know. I I looked at your
Speaker 1: blog the last few days preparing for this interview. I thought,
Speaker 1: who lives like this? Maybe the Queen of England. No,
Speaker 1: I think the Queen of England and Martha. I don't
Speaker 1: we have a lot of staff anyway. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the thing about Martha is that, you know, I've always
Speaker 1: thought that you have made elegance accessible and I think
Speaker 1: you predated sort of this whole notion of nesting and
Speaker 1: of making beautiful things and making a house a home
Speaker 1: and all that. And what what made you realize that
Speaker 1: there was an appetite for that in this country. I
Speaker 1: was brought up by a mother who really took the
Speaker 1: art of homemaking to the next level. She made everything,
Speaker 1: She sewed our clothes, she canned the tomatoes, she made
Speaker 1: a delicious meal three times a day for eight people.
Speaker 1: My mom was, you know, she was a very good
Speaker 1: example to me of wanting to elevate a simple life
Speaker 1: into a good, really good life, healthy life. And we
Speaker 1: were simple. I mean we. I lived in a in
Speaker 1: a three bedroom house on Elm Place in the New
Speaker 1: Jersey which I go back to see sometimes. And people
Speaker 1: almost had a heart attack when I knocked on the
Speaker 1: door the last time, and did you bring them some
Speaker 1: cookies at least? So I just want to I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I used to live here. They said, we
Speaker 1: know you're useful area, and uh, could I please see
Speaker 1: my old bedroom which I shared with my sister Kathy,
Speaker 1: And I would put Kathy on the right hand out
Speaker 1: of the bed, which had the night light where I
Speaker 1: could read. I would make her go to sleep on
Speaker 1: that side to warm the bed because we didn't keep it.
Speaker 1: We kept the house pretty cold and saving fuel all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Um, and so then I would drag her
Speaker 1: to her side of the bed. Before Martha was younger,
Speaker 1: she has not forgiven me, believe me. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people imagine you're like this major wasp,
Speaker 1: and I no. I'm I'm a daughter of two Polish
Speaker 1: American people. They were born here, but my grandparents, all
Speaker 1: four grandparents were born in Poland and they came to
Speaker 1: the United States on ships, and you know, they could
Speaker 1: see the island where they landed right here in New
Speaker 1: York Harbor, and they signed in and two went to Buffalo,
Speaker 1: New York. My grandfather was a trained in My grandfather
Speaker 1: was ski My mother's father was a trained iron monger
Speaker 1: decorative iron work, and uh, and my other my father's
Speaker 1: family all moved to Jersey City. I think about you
Speaker 1: because I know how close you were to your mom,
Speaker 1: Big Martha, unbelievably close. And and did she ever come
Speaker 1: on the Today Show with me? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like she might have, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I've met her definitely, And I know you always spoke
Speaker 1: of her, and it was really she was a really
Speaker 1: great mother, uh, and one of those mothers who had
Speaker 1: six kids and every child was equal, no matter what,
Speaker 1: no matter what the bad things we did, we were
Speaker 1: all equal. And then my parents and that was until
Speaker 1: the day she died. We were all equally all around
Speaker 1: her bid when she died. And she died at nine
Speaker 1: four and almost ninety four years old. So she's she
Speaker 1: had a great life, never sick. She just finally decided
Speaker 1: it was time. How many years ago was that that
Speaker 1: was about, I don't. I don't remember things like years, um,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Do you remember things are years? Well,
Speaker 1: I remember my mom died. I do. My mom died
Speaker 1: three years ago on Labor Day, and and so I
Speaker 1: remember everything, but not. I just I think about my
Speaker 1: mom so much and I miss her so much. So
Speaker 1: I wondered if you felt the same. I miss my
Speaker 1: mother a lot, and I wonder, I wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: what would mother think about this or that? Um, when
Speaker 1: I'm making a delicious meal. She would come over on
Speaker 1: Sunday's pretty much every Sunday, from from Western Connecticut where
Speaker 1: she lived with my sister Laura. She would drive herself
Speaker 1: and then when she got in past ninety, I used
Speaker 1: to sit and send somebody to pick her up. UM,
Speaker 1: and she would come to my house and eat the healthiest,
Speaker 1: delicious lunch. She had a great appetite that she'd take
Speaker 1: a walk with me. Then she'd have a massage. I
Speaker 1: always got my massure over for mom and UM, and
Speaker 1: we'd go to a movie and she'd have a fabulous day.
Speaker 1: And but she was What I really loved about her
Speaker 1: was that egalitarian attitude towards all her her children and
Speaker 1: so even though her daughter was rich and famous, the
Speaker 1: other five kids were were famous justice successful in her eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it occurred to me as we were preparing for
Speaker 1: this that you know, you were a model early in
Speaker 1: your career. You were a stockbroker for several years and
Speaker 1: you didn't really become quote Martha Stewart until you were
Speaker 1: in your forties. Yeah. I was a late bloomer, which
Speaker 1: is like Julia Child. Actually, that's who it reminded me of.
Speaker 1: I was a late bloomer. And my gynecologist, uh there,
Speaker 1: I don't know he even called me a late bloomer.
Speaker 1: So in what context? Because said that I was a
Speaker 1: late bloomer in terms of my in terms of my
Speaker 1: business life. And isn't that funny that your doctor would
Speaker 1: call you a late bloomer? I thought it was crazy,
Speaker 1: like like my gardener calling me a late bloomer. So
Speaker 1: when your first book came out, well, Martha didn't really
Speaker 1: answer that earlier question though, which is how did you
Speaker 1: know that this was a really potentially huge market for
Speaker 1: what you were saying. After being a stockbroker and and
Speaker 1: working with people's money, I then retired to Westport, and
Speaker 1: I did started looking around for what you were doing,
Speaker 1: a catering business. And I started a catering business with
Speaker 1: a friend called Norma Collier, and she was a famous
Speaker 1: model at the time and she wanted to have a
Speaker 1: business too, So we started this catering business dealing with
Speaker 1: people's appetites other than their and not their pocketbooks, really
Speaker 1: but the same thing. And they were very similar. I mean,
Speaker 1: people could be real nasty or real nice, money or appetite.
Speaker 1: And then Norma had to retire early because she was
Speaker 1: way too hard the work. And I liked the physical labor.
Speaker 1: I liked the building a restaurant every night and then
Speaker 1: breaking it down and cleaning the cards. I mean, believe me,
Speaker 1: I'm a glutton for punishment. I am. I am a worker.
Speaker 1: B I just brought up like that. But um, I
Speaker 1: realized that the art of homemaking really and truly had
Speaker 1: not been celebrated in an appropriate way. And I thought
Speaker 1: of my mother all the time. Here's this fabulous woman
Speaker 1: who was also a very hard worker, but she hadn't
Speaker 1: been celebrated as a homemaker and to be able to
Speaker 1: raise the kids on they were making when my when
Speaker 1: my mother wasn't teaching, my father was working they were
Speaker 1: living on a salary of about eleven thousand a year.
Speaker 1: And this is a long time ago, but still that's
Speaker 1: very little money to manage. That's why the garden was Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why the garden was so big. That's why the
Speaker 1: clothing was made by hand. The sewing machine was always busy.
Speaker 1: Mom didn't get very many hours of sleep, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And we were not poor. We did
Speaker 1: not consider ourselves poor in any way. So when did
Speaker 1: you realize that this thing you were doing, that homemaking
Speaker 1: and cooking and sewing and gardening, could become a business.
Speaker 1: And well, I started writing books in two And I'm
Speaker 1: sure you have my Entertaining book. I probably, And I
Speaker 1: actually still remember the pretty picture of you on the cover.
Speaker 1: Your hair was long and I think it was maybe
Speaker 1: in a half updo or something, and I had yes,
Speaker 1: And I remember your basket weave um with frosting. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that in there? Oh yeah, definitely. Well I
Speaker 1: think I read that before I started. I started to
Speaker 1: write books. Because I started, I started to realize that
Speaker 1: my friends were just like me. We all needed some
Speaker 1: encouragement to entertain better. We needed better recipes. That could
Speaker 1: be done that weren't too complicated, and there were no
Speaker 1: at that time, very few illustrated cookbooks, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: I considered myself as crazy, I know, but I considered
Speaker 1: myself kind of a really good cook at the time.
Speaker 1: And so I wrote this book entertaining and my publisher
Speaker 1: I remember saying, if you still ten thousand copies, you
Speaker 1: should be happy. I said, I know twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: people who will buy this book. Because I have been
Speaker 1: catering for a while and I had all South Bees clients.
Speaker 1: I had the museums in New York hired my me
Speaker 1: for my services. I did parties at the Metropolitan Museum
Speaker 1: of Art. How many coffees did it? So it's it's
Speaker 1: way way over a million coffies. So I don't know
Speaker 1: the latest. I should I should know the exact number,
Speaker 1: But you don't wake up in the morning and say,
Speaker 1: let's look and see. I'm sure. I'm sure it's way
Speaker 1: over a million. Because by the way, that was for
Speaker 1: the first of what over a hundred. Well we're up
Speaker 1: to we're up to ninety now, and we just published here.
Speaker 1: This is the right That's what I knew. One called
Speaker 1: slow Cooker which are eighty nine, and then the newly
Speaker 1: Way Cookbooks coming out very shortly and that will be
Speaker 1: our And then Martha's Flowers comes out in February. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about that. So does that teach you how to
Speaker 1: arrange flowers? How to grow and arrange? It's growing, enjoying
Speaker 1: and arrange flowers. That's your favorite flower? I like fragrant flowers.
Speaker 1: I like lilacs. Oh, I like tu lips. I like roses,
Speaker 1: like panes. I love piannies, you know, I I love piannies,
Speaker 1: but I feel like they become everybody's favorite flowers, so
Speaker 1: that makes me not like them. Don't don't feel like that? Now?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm into Martha, Well, obviously hydranges. I
Speaker 1: don't know. My hydranges were on steroids. They needed a bikini.
Speaker 1: This year this was the best year for hydrangees, right,
Speaker 1: apples like apple It was crazy. But I'm really into
Speaker 1: dahlia's right now. Dalis are fabulous. They're so pretty, They're
Speaker 1: so gigantic, like dahlias and zinnias. I think together they're pretty.
Speaker 1: They're pretty. Brian. Yeah, I know, yes, every now and
Speaker 1: then I can surprise you can I ask you, though
Speaker 1: you're so incredibly productive all these books and TV shows
Speaker 1: and magazines, and I read you only need four to
Speaker 1: five hours of sleep per night. Can you walk us
Speaker 1: through a typical Martha day? I mean, what did you
Speaker 1: do today? For example? Today's today's like New York. So
Speaker 1: that's not so interesting. Yesterday was a good day. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: so yesterday I have I don't have live in help,
Speaker 1: but I do require that my keeper or keepers. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I have to come in at seven, so I can't
Speaker 1: be in bed at my housekeeper coms. I just don't
Speaker 1: do that. So I get I'm up before they're up,
Speaker 1: and I take um the covers off the bird cages.
Speaker 1: And I have read factory canaries in my house. They're
Speaker 1: beautiful and they're singing. And then I have three cats
Speaker 1: and five dogs in Bedford and where live most of
Speaker 1: the time, I can I commute to New York. I
Speaker 1: read somewhere you have four drivers. Well yeah, but not
Speaker 1: all the same time. No, No, I know, but I have.
Speaker 1: My days are so tight, days are so long, and
Speaker 1: you can only they can only be can't forty hours
Speaker 1: a week and they can't be tired. So that's why
Speaker 1: all right, but um, but Brian is just jealous. But
Speaker 1: all right, so we've we've taken care of the birds.
Speaker 1: So then um, and so then I I make breakfast
Speaker 1: for everybody. So I made the cappuccinos for everybody because
Speaker 1: the eggs come from your chickens. Right, yes, yes, you've mentioned.
Speaker 1: We have salmon for breakfast because some a friend had
Speaker 1: sent me two beautiful big salmon's. A lion caught salmons
Speaker 1: from Alaska last week and I had to eat them.
Speaker 1: So I poached salmon. I'm doing I'm doing a little
Speaker 1: blog on that on how to poach a salmon. And
Speaker 1: it's oh, it's pretty pictures. And so I photographed the
Speaker 1: blog and I make the salmon. No, no, we just
Speaker 1: eat it with lemon juice. It's so tasty. Yeah, like yogurt, cucumbers.
Speaker 1: Nothing for breakfast. That this is breakfast and then for
Speaker 1: lunch and so then so then after that, I and
Speaker 1: my green juice. We have green juice. Every morning. Everybody
Speaker 1: drinks green juice because it's like power. So what do
Speaker 1: you put in your green So it's spinach, celery, parsonally mint,
Speaker 1: maybe a piece of fruit of some sort, like a pear.
Speaker 1: Green pear is good. Um, a piece of melon or
Speaker 1: a piece of papaya or mango, whatever, it's very good juice.
Speaker 1: Everybody delicious and we drink that. Then I went on
Speaker 1: a horseback ride, and that was at ten o'clock. I
Speaker 1: was ready for the horseback right after doing getting make
Speaker 1: sure everybody's doing lots of horses and I have six horses.
Speaker 1: Bedford has a has a series of bridle trails about
Speaker 1: three hundred miles, so you can get lost, you can
Speaker 1: have a good time. Does Ralph Lauren live up there?
Speaker 1: To the next tror to me? We like, Hey Ralph,
Speaker 1: Martha by Ralph. Um, I'm I'm the farm at to
Speaker 1: Ralph's estate. I'm the farm at Okay, Yes, the mottest
Speaker 1: farm next to Ralph. We have a very nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And then, oh, I should have told you then then
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about Friday night afterwards. But and then
Speaker 1: I came back from the horseback ride. I made the lunch,
Speaker 1: so I sautade some onions from the garden, fresh onions
Speaker 1: and some red and yellow peppers, and I made a
Speaker 1: for tata. I'm delicious for Tata, studded with little lots
Speaker 1: of cream, cheese, which I like in for Tata. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I just like it. And I
Speaker 1: we had little cheese puffs that were left over from
Speaker 1: Friday night supper, and that was a salad of dark
Speaker 1: red and green lettuce. Then we made fifty gallons of
Speaker 1: apple cider. Or would you bring some of that apple
Speaker 1: cider over here? Fifty gallons of this and you know
Speaker 1: how hard it is to carsh the apples. It's delicious apple.
Speaker 1: Take a sip, it's so good. What kind of apples
Speaker 1: did you use? Who knows? On my property? We must
Speaker 1: have fifty varieties of assis. Delicious i've ever had. We
Speaker 1: compare it to other I think it's really just the
Speaker 1: variety of apples. I think. Um. So we did that,
Speaker 1: and while they were doing that, I shucked and scraped
Speaker 1: the corn off, about maybe sixty ears of corn, and
Speaker 1: I sewed and I saw tade all the kernels and
Speaker 1: a little bit of butter with some some water, and
Speaker 1: then I frowe was I think I froze ten quarts
Speaker 1: of corn kernels. And then I made a great pot
Speaker 1: of from again, there's so many tomatoes. I made a
Speaker 1: great pot of tomato soup, just tomatoes and onions, threw
Speaker 1: them all in this giant pot and cooked and cooked
Speaker 1: and cooked until then I put it through the food
Speaker 1: so you get all the seeds and skins out. I
Speaker 1: think we made eight quarts of tomato soup and relaxing Sunday.
Speaker 1: Then I went, Oh, my friend called Memory. My friend
Speaker 1: Memory called and said, you have to go see this garden.
Speaker 1: It's on the open days and Greenwich Open Days is
Speaker 1: the Garden Conservancy, which is a very fantastic organization. I
Speaker 1: belong to that, and people who belong open their gardens
Speaker 1: to other gardeners. So I went to see Mr Landman's
Speaker 1: garden in Greenwich, which is incredible, fifteen acre garden. Made
Speaker 1: me sick because because if I feel we're happy for him,
Speaker 1: when I when I get jealous. The only time I'm
Speaker 1: ever jealous. It's not envy, it's just jealous. Anyway, his
Speaker 1: garden is so beautiful. Then I went to see my
Speaker 1: friend Memory, who was lying in bed because she has
Speaker 1: a cut on her leg. Who knows. And then I
Speaker 1: left there. I got in a bad mood because she
Speaker 1: was in bed. And then I went home and I
Speaker 1: went We searched for my missing peacocks. Were always missing
Speaker 1: two peacocks. They were out eating with the This is
Speaker 1: a busy day. It is a busy day. It sounds
Speaker 1: it is fun. The peacocks were hanging out with the
Speaker 1: wild turkeys. Now there's a gang of five wild male
Speaker 1: turkeys and my two male peacocks that I allow out
Speaker 1: of their enclosure. Uh, they have kind of befriended the
Speaker 1: wild turkeys. And is there any nookie going on? Peacocks
Speaker 1: a band of boys and uh, so we could tell
Speaker 1: her forever. I mean, you don't know, these are so silly.
Speaker 1: I hope this is not boring to you. Love you love.
Speaker 1: I went to get a massage, I went to get
Speaker 1: the Chinese reeflexology and did something where you I did prove.
Speaker 1: Then I went home and I did a little bit
Speaker 1: more cooking. But I had a column do this morning,
Speaker 1: so I had to work on my column on the
Speaker 1: restoration of furniture. So I had to write that. And
Speaker 1: that's that was my day. See that's a Sunday. It's
Speaker 1: time to take a quick break. But when we returned,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Martha about those five months
Speaker 1: she spent in the slammer. It's something she has rarely
Speaker 1: talked about, and we're going to get the scoop on
Speaker 1: her time spent working with Donald Trump. That's right after this.
Speaker 1: These days, if we want to know something, we ask
Speaker 1: Alexa or Siri, but we don't always think about just
Speaker 1: how much AI is shaped by existing information and the
Speaker 1: limitations of the people who build it. On this week's
Speaker 1: episode of the lean And podcast Tilted, they talked to
Speaker 1: experts from M I, T, and Cornell to understand how
Speaker 1: AI leads to unfair decision making and contributes to bias,
Speaker 1: and what we can do about it. You won't want
Speaker 1: to miss it. Tilted features intimate conversations with some of
Speaker 1: the world's most powerful women in Hollywood and politics, sports,
Speaker 1: and business. It's hosted by lean And co founder and
Speaker 1: president Rachel Thomas, and every week they explored the gender
Speaker 1: bias that lurks in unexpected places and the impact it
Speaker 1: has on our everyday lives. Listen and subscribe to Tilted
Speaker 1: from lean In on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. And now back to our conversation with
Speaker 1: the one and only Martha Stewart. After your release from prison,
Speaker 1: you did Martha Stewart the Apprentice or the Apprentice Martha
Speaker 1: Stewart and this office. It was right here in this office.
Speaker 1: We built their bedrooms, here, their kitchens. The whole thing
Speaker 1: was the most monstrous production you have ever seen. And
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was the executive producer of it. Well, yes
Speaker 1: one with Mark Barnett. And Mark Burnett promised me when
Speaker 1: I agreed to do it, that I would fire Donald
Speaker 1: at the end of my show, that Donald were going
Speaker 1: to replace him. Yes, and Donald did not want to
Speaker 1: be replaced by the time president. I know, he maligned
Speaker 1: my show so badly. He was nasty. Well know, who
Speaker 1: knows why he wanted he wanted to stay on TV.
Speaker 1: He had he had, you know, he drank the kool
Speaker 1: aid and he loved it so much. I show did
Speaker 1: really well in Europe, and it did really well in Japan.
Speaker 1: But um, but the ratings in America were not as
Speaker 1: good as Donald's ratings. But I was as outrageous as
Speaker 1: Donald either. I think people like outrage and um, as
Speaker 1: you know, after this whole year, um and so so.
Speaker 1: But he but we remained uh on some semi cordial
Speaker 1: And what did you learn about him from working with him? Well,
Speaker 1: he had very little to do with my show. What
Speaker 1: did you learn about him from what he said about
Speaker 1: you around? I was not happy. And my daughter. He
Speaker 1: said nasty things about my daughter and she was on
Speaker 1: the radio at the time he was, and she was
Speaker 1: on The Apprentice for a little bit and I did
Speaker 1: not like that, and none of us did, and it
Speaker 1: was not nice. I would never say anything untoward of
Speaker 1: his about his children. You don't talk about people's children,
Speaker 1: but he does. How do you think he's doing as president?
Speaker 1: Do we have to really get there? I was not.
Speaker 1: I was not. I'm not happy at the state of
Speaker 1: things at all. You were a big Hillary Clinton supporter.
Speaker 1: And I saw her in the histtempt and she was
Speaker 1: walking on Loui Pan Lane the other day, really, and
Speaker 1: I was walking my dogs and she I bumped into.
Speaker 1: I saw the black van's first and I thought, oh God,
Speaker 1: who's coming? And it was Hillary. She know she was
Speaker 1: with a friend, Liz Robbins, and we talked for quite
Speaker 1: a while standing there in the middle of the street,
Speaker 1: and uh, and she looked well and she me her
Speaker 1: book was just about to be released. It was right,
Speaker 1: I guess it was a week before her book came out,
Speaker 1: and um, so I haven't read it. Yet. But um,
Speaker 1: but she has to speak out, she has to say
Speaker 1: what she said. And uh, and you know it's a
Speaker 1: it's too bad. She's really damned if she does. Damned
Speaker 1: if she does. And I mean I've been, I've been,
Speaker 1: I guess not surprised, but it's still I'm always taken
Speaker 1: aback at the vitriol and hatred that is directed at her.
Speaker 1: I think people still are not comfortable. Not all, not
Speaker 1: all people, but many people are still uncomfortable with the
Speaker 1: notion of a woman in power very much. So. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've dealt with that, oh of course. But um
Speaker 1: but I'm strong enough to sort of brush it off.
Speaker 1: And when you're running for president, it's pretty hard just
Speaker 1: to brush it off. Although I probably would have behaved
Speaker 1: a lot differently than Hillary did on those debate stages,
Speaker 1: what would you have done? I told him to get lost.
Speaker 1: I mean, she she was calling her names and she
Speaker 1: wasn't calling him names. Call him some names. Really, I
Speaker 1: don't know her decorum did not she didn't. I don't
Speaker 1: think people have to be so decorous to ugly people.
Speaker 1: What's the what's the old line about you get into
Speaker 1: a mud pit with a pig and the pig is
Speaker 1: gonna win. Let me ask you the one thing uh
Speaker 1: many questions we had, Martha, is and I don't think
Speaker 1: you've talked about it that much. Is you know. I
Speaker 1: look at you and everything you've accomplished, and then you
Speaker 1: had this moment in your life when you were in prison,
Speaker 1: and I imagine in my mind's eye what that was.
Speaker 1: I went to Yale for five months. I read a lot,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. And what was that like for
Speaker 1: you mean? Was that sort of like? It was horrifying?
Speaker 1: It was horrifying, and no one, no one should have
Speaker 1: to go through that kind of indignity, really except for murderers,
Speaker 1: and and you know there are a few other categories,
Speaker 1: but no one should have to go through that. It's
Speaker 1: a very very awful thing. Having said that, I mean,
Speaker 1: was it a growth experience in any way? I know
Speaker 1: that you would read out to a lot of the
Speaker 1: other women, you can make lemons out of lemonade, and
Speaker 1: what what what hurts you makes you stronger? No, none
Speaker 1: of those adages fit at all. It's a horrible experience.
Speaker 1: Nothing is good about it. Nothing was so horrible about it,
Speaker 1: being taken away from your family, being maligned, being treated
Speaker 1: the way you were treated. It's horrible, um, and especially
Speaker 1: when one does not feel one deserves such a thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was not a bad person. Well, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are under the misconception that
Speaker 1: you were convicted of insider trading. You were, you were not.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even accused of insider trading. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to get into that either. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: like like, And one thing I do not ever want
Speaker 1: is to be identified or I don't want that to
Speaker 1: be the major thing of my life. It's just not
Speaker 1: it's just not fair. But um, but it's not a
Speaker 1: good experience and it doesn't make you stronger. I was
Speaker 1: a strong person to start with, and thank Heavens, I was,
Speaker 1: and I can still hold my head up high and
Speaker 1: know that I'm fine. Did you get to know any
Speaker 1: of your fellow inmates and what was that like? I
Speaker 1: know you helped them with certain things, and did you
Speaker 1: become friendly with them? Um? No, I'm not really friendly.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. As much as I've tried. I've
Speaker 1: tried to help certain of them. Um. There are lots
Speaker 1: and lots of odd stories and disturbing things that go
Speaker 1: on in a in a incarceration like that, even a
Speaker 1: minimum security, well you couldn't walk in minimum security. Still
Speaker 1: couldn't walk out the gate, you know, across the river. Um,
Speaker 1: it was Um, they're still guards and they're still it's
Speaker 1: still nasty and it's still but but that's that's America
Speaker 1: has so many people in prison. You go to Finland
Speaker 1: and there's about I think there's like a hundred people
Speaker 1: in prison in Finland or some tiny number. Uh. They
Speaker 1: don't believe in in that kind of incarceration. Uh, And
Speaker 1: I don't think we should have the numbers of people
Speaker 1: in prison. And the most of the women that were
Speaker 1: in this in this institution were there because of the
Speaker 1: New York state drug laws. And now we have legalized
Speaker 1: marijuana in seven states. I think it is Uh, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: And those and people who had a few ounces of
Speaker 1: marijuana on them and are in there for twenty years,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense to some of those people
Speaker 1: get to be released as as a result. I know
Speaker 1: that there was a movement with President Obama to change
Speaker 1: sort of minimum mandatory. Not much was done, not not
Speaker 1: enough was done. So on a happier note, you've had
Speaker 1: this friendship with Snoop Dogg. But I think his uh
Speaker 1: surprised and delighted some of your some of your fans
Speaker 1: more just surprised others of your people. People seem to
Speaker 1: really like our public dinner party. Yeah, no, there of
Speaker 1: course there's a double. I was drink sarcastic. That was
Speaker 1: my name. I came up with that name. He did
Speaker 1: just very how you get to know each other. The
Speaker 1: green we had, the green meal, We had all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff, funny names. Well, he was on my show
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and he was always just a
Speaker 1: pleasant guest and fun and made people and and the
Speaker 1: response was always good. Did you get a contact high
Speaker 1: from the green room after he came not in New York?
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't partaken and anything. He was on
Speaker 1: my my show once and honestly, I opened the door
Speaker 1: and it was like one of those cartoons where this
Speaker 1: smoke just billowed down. I think, I think, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably why he doesn't come to New
Speaker 1: York very much, because he's not free to just that's true.
Speaker 1: This was in California. Oh, no, California. Oh and then
Speaker 1: um and then you go to then um we did
Speaker 1: the Justin Bieber roast together and that was that, which
Speaker 1: is hilarious for anybody. It was. It was hilarious. And
Speaker 1: there I did get a contact high sitting next to
Speaker 1: him for four hours on the stage. Oh you couldn't
Speaker 1: help it. I mean he had these you know, he
Speaker 1: was smoking for four hours right next to us. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: soun doing the show with him. Yeah, it really is
Speaker 1: fun and it's um I call it a melding of cultures.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's Compton and Nutley probably not so probably
Speaker 1: not so different. Way down under. I met his mother.
Speaker 1: He brought his mother to the show. She's a lovely lady,
Speaker 1: very intelligent, very well spoken. He had other family members there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of an interesting situation. And
Speaker 1: then we have these great guests and we cook and
Speaker 1: he's a fun cook. He and he is his uncle Rio,
Speaker 1: who is this jovial, very fancily dressed on gentlemen who
Speaker 1: wears very jazzy clothes, you know, spats and gold suits
Speaker 1: and whatever and hats and anyway, Uncle Rio kind of
Speaker 1: creates all the recipes for Snoop and my my straight
Speaker 1: laced team of Thomas, Joseph and uh and the rest
Speaker 1: of the kitchen here, they're they're all like but it's fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fun. I think what's so great about you?
Speaker 1: You you're always reinventing yourself. You're always Change is good.
Speaker 1: That's one of my mottos. Change is good. And when
Speaker 1: you're through changing, you're through in my book. So and
Speaker 1: you've done that, You've changed, You've changed so nicely and evolved.
Speaker 1: And I've tried. But you do, you do, You're you're
Speaker 1: You're prettier now than you were when I first met you,
Speaker 1: by the way, And I think it's because I had
Speaker 1: such a fat face when I was younger, and aging
Speaker 1: makes you kind of hollow out a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I had enough excess that I don't look on You're
Speaker 1: not now look normal, right, you look great? And so
Speaker 1: I think all of that is uh is good and
Speaker 1: um and it's been it's been interesting to also challenge myself.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to go on stage with Jamie
Speaker 1: Foxx and um Puff Daddy or PGD or whatever his
Speaker 1: name is now and uh us sure and all those
Speaker 1: guys and and uh a little YACHTI And it's extraordinary
Speaker 1: the talent that comes on our show really amazing tallenge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fun. And meanwhile, Um, as a business person, I'm curious,
Speaker 1: as a hugely successful woman in business, what do you
Speaker 1: think are the most important lessons you've learned along the way,
Speaker 1: Because I don't know. I'm at the point in my
Speaker 1: career that I want to mentor more young women and
Speaker 1: so what would you tell them? Well, it's um, it's
Speaker 1: all about having ideas, having energy to grow those ideas
Speaker 1: into something UM, and having the wherewithal, whether it be
Speaker 1: personal or borrowed or education, to build something of lasting value.
Speaker 1: And I think just my library books is of lasting value.
Speaker 1: Many of the other things that I've done also I
Speaker 1: think will have a lasting value. Building a brand is interesting,
Speaker 1: but it's unless it's a really good brand and has
Speaker 1: a wide audience. Uh. What the heck. I'm not a
Speaker 1: Bill Gates. I didn't I didn't invent software. I wish
Speaker 1: I had. But in the meantime, I utilize what's available
Speaker 1: and and learning how to use what's new and different
Speaker 1: has made a big difference in my business. And I
Speaker 1: think learning you know, when I started my business, the
Speaker 1: internet was a baby, uh, and but I had a computer.
Speaker 1: I learned how to use that computer. I learned how
Speaker 1: to to to write and and uh and use the
Speaker 1: internet to do research, to do all of the things.
Speaker 1: Now social media is another challenge for all of us.
Speaker 1: How do we how do we maneuver and uh and
Speaker 1: uh and negotiate social media to make a difference without
Speaker 1: wasting a tremendous amount of time doing so. So a
Speaker 1: lot of always opened to open to new ideas and
Speaker 1: to and to I was I'm one of the early
Speaker 1: adopters of the computer. Believe it or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? But I am. And two, I got
Speaker 1: my first computer. When did you get your computer? Are
Speaker 1: you born yet? I was when I was just born.
Speaker 1: When did I get my first computer? I think it
Speaker 1: was in the late eighties at some point. I got
Speaker 1: my drink in the early nineties. Well when I oh, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think in the early or even late eighties. When
Speaker 1: I was broadcasting, wasn't using computers in we We were
Speaker 1: the first magazine to design on an Apple. And that's
Speaker 1: why I wanted you. I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: we were doing it in the new and different way.
Speaker 1: It was no cutting and pasting on big tables. So
Speaker 1: it's a it's that so making use of what's available
Speaker 1: currently avail was very important to me. My dad used
Speaker 1: to say that you really had to stay on top
Speaker 1: of this ever changing world. And I think now more
Speaker 1: than ever, it's a good thing. As you would say. Martha,
Speaker 1: by the way, do you remember when I gave you
Speaker 1: the Matrix Award? So I you know, I worked so
Speaker 1: hard on this poem and I have to just repeat
Speaker 1: the first in communications, and Martha was, of course so deserving.
Speaker 1: I remembered. I was terrified because the Dais was full
Speaker 1: of very impressive women that year. Of course you and
Speaker 1: then what BEI Goldberg? And I think Amy tan and
Speaker 1: and Richards and all these people, but I was what
Speaker 1: went before me, and I was like, oh, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: screwed because she's so funny and relax acts and I
Speaker 1: was a nervous wreck. But I had worked really hard
Speaker 1: on a poem for Martha and it went like this, Martha,
Speaker 1: Dear Martha, what should I do? These people have asked
Speaker 1: me to introduce you. I haven't eaten, I haven't slept.
Speaker 1: Talk about making a girl fill in at anything I
Speaker 1: can do? You can do better dipping a candle, knitting
Speaker 1: a sweater. A room needs repainting, you'll make it, saying
Speaker 1: with Robin's egg blue because it's a good thing. And
Speaker 1: only a woman who's in your position makes a gingerbread house.
Speaker 1: This air condition tartar ta, Marzi pad coco, vant to
Speaker 1: bruschetta panchetta is not all you can do. Your holiday
Speaker 1: meals are a feast for the eyes. Why can't you
Speaker 1: use stovetop and Mrs Niss pies? Anyway, went on and
Speaker 1: on anyway, why hard? Well, you know what I think what.
Speaker 1: I worked so hard on this and it was so
Speaker 1: much fun to do, and I was so honored to
Speaker 1: be asked to present it to you. Um. So that's
Speaker 1: one of my my favorite poems because my dad said
Speaker 1: I write. My dad used to say I write a girl,
Speaker 1: not poetry. Um. By the way, before we go, we
Speaker 1: have a listener voicemail question. We have a listener who
Speaker 1: called in with a question for Martha. Okay, I am
Speaker 1: calling from St. Pete, Florida, where I'm reading Martha Stewart
Speaker 1: Living by the Light of a Lantern because I'm still
Speaker 1: without power. But I've always been curious about whether or
Speaker 1: not Martha Stewart has ever done something she shouldn't have
Speaker 1: done like stood up on a chair instead of a ladder,
Speaker 1: or didn't we have the safety glasses she was supposed
Speaker 1: to do. She's trying to us all how to do
Speaker 1: things right, But I'm just wondering about where she's made
Speaker 1: some goofs that taught her a lesson. Well, but oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's a good one. That's your biggest screw up.
Speaker 1: My biggest screw up was riding under the branch of
Speaker 1: a tree on my giant horse and getting knocked off
Speaker 1: because I thought I could bend backwards under it. That
Speaker 1: was a stupid thing because then I broke my arm.
Speaker 1: But were there any other things where? Well, now, when
Speaker 1: she says standing on a chair and set of ladder, um,
Speaker 1: I would never do that because I have taught everyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as as an employer of people,
Speaker 1: you have to teach good lessons. So I'm very strict
Speaker 1: about having a ladder available in most places, so that
Speaker 1: if you have to reach a high shelf, you step
Speaker 1: on a ladder. Um in the garden there they must
Speaker 1: wear their ear muffs when they're using loud machinery. Uh,
Speaker 1: they have to have safety lessons for chain saws because
Speaker 1: I know how I know how to use chain sauce.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really do practice good healthy living well
Speaker 1: or either that or your control free. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I practice safety for safety. Well, no I'm not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not a nut nudge about it, but I'm serious
Speaker 1: about it. But you're so um, You're so good at everything.
Speaker 1: It's And I gave a big gift to the emergency
Speaker 1: room both in Westport and in and in Mount Kisco,
Speaker 1: just in case, just in case. They're they're always taken
Speaker 1: care of. But what is the biggest Have you ever
Speaker 1: screwed something up terribly? Please tell me you have? Like,
Speaker 1: what is the biggest thing? You messed my marriage by
Speaker 1: being a caterer? Really? Probably? Do you know? I think
Speaker 1: about thinking that I was attractive enough or something like that.
Speaker 1: I I see you at some social events, are passed
Speaker 1: across on a number of occasions, and you never remarried.
Speaker 1: I have not, Um are you? Are you sorry? I
Speaker 1: could have married the next guy or the next guy,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I'm not. I'm not unhappy about that.
Speaker 1: I don't. And now when I see some of my
Speaker 1: friends with her husbands, and I'm so happy that are
Speaker 1: they are they unhappy and that makes you happy that
Speaker 1: you're not unhappy? Or do you just feel like who
Speaker 1: needs it out? None of the above. When Mr Wright
Speaker 1: comes along, I'll Maria, are you still open to dating?
Speaker 1: How do you have some of my branch women? You
Speaker 1: are and you're beautiful? How does somebody do you go
Speaker 1: to match? Do you go on match dot com? Or
Speaker 1: I think you went on for today's show. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine the algorithm just doesn't fit me, It doesn't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could go on Farmers dot com. Maybe that
Speaker 1: might be a match made in heaven, Martha. They could
Speaker 1: help you with your card my farm. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want I want I want them. I don't want
Speaker 1: them to help me with my farm. I want not
Speaker 1: going to be hoping on Farmers dot com. That sorry
Speaker 1: O'Brien to talk about your new cookbook before we go,
Speaker 1: because it's your eighty nine Martha Cooker. We laugh because
Speaker 1: in the intro you said you'd never really used a
Speaker 1: slow cooker before, but you knew that they were really
Speaker 1: popular and they are now. Isn't this what people used
Speaker 1: to call a crock pot? Yeah, this is the evolution
Speaker 1: of a croc pot and um, and it is so good.
Speaker 1: The food is so delicious. And this book we we
Speaker 1: set out with no holds barred and no preconceptions, because
Speaker 1: it's not just dump a bunch of meat and vegetables
Speaker 1: in a pot and add some water and turn it
Speaker 1: on like cream and mushroom soup. No, no, it isn't
Speaker 1: any of that. So you can make savory, you can
Speaker 1: make sweet, you can make cinnamon buns, you can make
Speaker 1: apple crisp, and made apple crisp from start. Some of that.
Speaker 1: Our producer Gianna is standing next to the everything. I
Speaker 1: don't think, Brian, I don't know. No, I'm not coming
Speaker 1: it now. It's okay. You can share it with me, yea. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so you had did you have fun making this? This
Speaker 1: cookbook as usual? So much fun. I mean, I'm excited
Speaker 1: because I have to walk a few miles a day
Speaker 1: back and forth from the kitchens here. This is a
Speaker 1: block long and long block, eleventh to the twelfth avenue.
Speaker 1: But to eat all this food here, give that to
Speaker 1: Katie's apple crisp. And I just picked an apple for
Speaker 1: something to do with my Brian, take a taste. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is so good and it's the apples. See fresh apples.
Speaker 1: The apples are delicious. You guys have some too. There's
Speaker 1: a whole crocutch after the cranberries in it. As. This
Speaker 1: is the best interview we've ever done. I know, I
Speaker 1: know this, and no one else made us. Uh these
Speaker 1: really delicious crampled eggs that were so slowly with truffle
Speaker 1: butter and a brioche toast. Yeah. When I brought my
Speaker 1: house in East Hampton, I know what had still had
Speaker 1: the barefoot canto as the shop in town. And we
Speaker 1: became friends and I started her TV show. Did you
Speaker 1: know that? I imagine she said that you were. She
Speaker 1: forgot that I started her television. Actually, I think she
Speaker 1: did mention that. Martha. She said that you wrote the
Speaker 1: introduction to her first cookbook and you were enormously helpful
Speaker 1: to her. So we have a lightning round. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was going to ask Martha about what IMUS said,
Speaker 1: how she couldn't understand if somebody who didn't cook why
Speaker 1: they would watch her show. But Brian and I were saying,
Speaker 1: we love to watch cooking shows because even if we're
Speaker 1: not cooking, whatever is being made, you learn and they're
Speaker 1: so relaxing there's something that they're kind of hypnotic in
Speaker 1: a way. Eat. Yeah, you get hungry? These apples are
Speaker 1: They are delicious? This whole thing is super yummy. All right,
Speaker 1: well I eat, Brian. Why don't you start the lightning
Speaker 1: round car. You're making a simple dinner at home just
Speaker 1: for you? What are you cooking? Well? Because I have
Speaker 1: so many eggs, Um, I will oftentimes make something out
Speaker 1: of the eggs. But I will also just bake a
Speaker 1: fresh potato that's just freshly dug. I love baked potatoes
Speaker 1: and um um, just just butter and sour cream or
Speaker 1: crime fresh so good um, and lots of chopped herbs. Um.
Speaker 1: I will um cook a whole head of cauliflour or
Speaker 1: broccoli because I love that too. I'm healthy. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: what do you put on the cauliflower or Broncoli? Oh,
Speaker 1: just cooking and salted water, heavily salted water, and maybe
Speaker 1: a dab of butter. Are there any recipes you hate making? Anything?
Speaker 1: You hate cooking? I won't do it. Why why many food?
Speaker 1: You hate brains? I won't eat brains. I don't that's wait.
Speaker 1: Breads are destines. They're finest glance or something I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're nasty, that's all. I have to say that. In
Speaker 1: shad Row, which my dad used to I know, but
Speaker 1: the eggs are so big and it's in this millions
Speaker 1: of little eggs inside the sacks. You're eating the sack
Speaker 1: of eggs. Okay, what's your biggest strength and your biggest weakness? Um?
Speaker 1: I think my biggest strength is my curiosity, and probably
Speaker 1: my biggest weakness is also my career because you want
Speaker 1: to do too many things. Yeah? Probably? Um. Do you
Speaker 1: think marijuana should be legal? Um? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think so, but I worry about but it should
Speaker 1: be controlled by parents because I just think that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's too much in Denver. I'm understanding that that school
Speaker 1: children are are partaking too much and it's hurting their studies.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like anything that interferes with growing
Speaker 1: up in a healthy, vibrant and iron men. I agree.
Speaker 1: I feel like you don't. Why do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand would all train drugs, but you know, because
Speaker 1: what does the child need that for? I don't understand
Speaker 1: having sort of this artificial Why worry about all the
Speaker 1: prescription drugs that kids are getting in school? As well
Speaker 1: like little in adderall and all of that. Anyway, we
Speaker 1: have a listener question that's very quick, the longest podcast
Speaker 1: I ever did, the math Stewart. What is the best
Speaker 1: way to cook pork chops? I want to know? Thank you? Um, well,
Speaker 1: I think pork chops should be. Um, you could bread
Speaker 1: them if you want, but I just I just dredge
Speaker 1: them in in a salty, peppery flower and then I
Speaker 1: just cook them lightly in a little olive oil and
Speaker 1: a little bit of butter until they are pretty much done,
Speaker 1: and then I squeeze fresh oranges over them and let
Speaker 1: the juices sort of caramelize. They're the because it's hard
Speaker 1: to make a juicy pork shop. Yeah, but that's that's
Speaker 1: the best way to something my mom was never able
Speaker 1: to do. I'll tell you that. Don't broil them, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they get dried out. What's your favorite thing to
Speaker 1: do with your grandkids? Oh? Explore? I mean these kids
Speaker 1: are such explorers. So how old now Martha five and six?
Speaker 1: But they are great travelers. And we went to the
Speaker 1: Galapagos already, we bunch of Botswana, We go to Maine.
Speaker 1: They're climbing rock walls now. Um, they the boys, a
Speaker 1: girl and a boy. Girl and a boy, and they're
Speaker 1: they're very very fun to be with. And how's your daughter?
Speaker 1: Alexis is great, she's a very good mother. And these
Speaker 1: children are the result of close attention. Now we talked
Speaker 1: about reinventing. So as we bring this to a close,
Speaker 1: what would you like to do, Martha that you haven't
Speaker 1: done yet? Like, would you like to be in Martha
Speaker 1: the Musical? I mean actually like to do that. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: actually that would be a music. Um, I'm wanna be
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I have I have some business kind of
Speaker 1: things to give us a little hint. Well, I've been
Speaker 1: working on an organizer for for the homemaker and I'm
Speaker 1: going to build that. Always fun to see what Martha
Speaker 1: does next. Mary, thank you. That was really yummy. If
Speaker 1: you're going to produce for sure, well that was very delicious.
Speaker 1: And your new cookbook is called slow Cooker, and I'm
Speaker 1: excited to have one. And I guess I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to buy a slow cooker now. Thank you, Martha, thank
Speaker 1: you Katie. Thank you brilliant, and I'm glad you came
Speaker 1: to my office. Thank you for having us, and thank
Speaker 1: you for making apple cider and Apple, Chris the Cappuccino.
Speaker 1: A big thanksgiving thank you to Gianna Palmer and Emily Beena,
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Speaker 1: Emma Morgenstern as our producer, Nor Richie is the associate producer,
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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman come to Mama. Matt buy and Jay Carson
Speaker 1: two of my other favorite people. They'll all be talking
Speaker 1: about their new movie. Did that sound sincere? I do
Speaker 1: really like Matt and j I'm not kidding, all kidding
Speaker 1: aside I think they're both great and super smart. But
Speaker 1: they're all going to be here to talk about this
Speaker 1: new movie called The front Runner. And Brian, as you know,
Speaker 1: this in many ways illustrates the moment when the media
Speaker 1: decided that it was fair game to talk about the
Speaker 1: personal lives of presidential candidates, and this candidate, of course,
Speaker 1: with Senator Gary Hart back in seven. We hope you listen.
Speaker 1: We really enjoyed talking to the three of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: they were great, So we'll talk to you all next time,
Speaker 1: and hope you have a great Thanksgiving Stitcher, what else
Speaker 1: is going on? Brian, um do a little words with friends.
Speaker 1: Get me warmed up? Hello, Dead Beats, It's Gabby. Gabby Done,
Speaker 1: host of Bad with Money. I had the Bad with
Speaker 1: Money book come out in January. I'm super stoked for
Speaker 1: season four. This season, we're going back to our roots
Speaker 1: and I'm having long conversations with amazing people and getting
Speaker 1: the big picture about money and the economy. Do you
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Speaker 1: You deserve to be like a billionaire when somebody who's
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Speaker 1: or a teacher, yeah, certainly, or a teacher who may
Speaker 1: be working just as many hours as you, may be
Speaker 1: just as smart as you like. Does that make it
Speaker 1: okay that you have so much? I get paid once
Speaker 1: a month, so my my check accounts huge. It's like
Speaker 1: a tidal wave comes in and then on the second
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