WEBVTT - Thanksgiving Break: Martha Stewart 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:08.440 Hi, Brian, Hi Katie, and hello listeners everywhere. By the 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.760 time you hear this, Brian and I will probably be 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.760 off with our own families celebrating Thanksgiving. But we also 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.759 suspect you might need a little escape from the family drama, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.279 the big knockdown, drag out fights, and political conversations you 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.520 might be having, not to mention the extra dry turkey 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.200 Thanksgiving tends to bring. So this week we're revisiting one 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.920 of our favorite episodes of podcasts past, and this guest 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.199 always serves a very moist turkey. Last year, Katie and 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.040 I met with the inimitable Martha Stewart at the headquarters 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.520 of her empire, Martha Stewart Living Omni Media. The offices 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.400 take up an entire city block, appropriately so in the 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.440 Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, right along the Hudson River, and 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.720 they definitely passed the white glove tests. They were beautiful 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.160 and of course very clean. Martha, no surprise here is 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.680 not particularly messy. We would never get along. We would 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.280 be Oscar and Felix. And we walked around the joint afterwards, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.120 and I have to tell you, the place is stocked. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:16.560 It's it's pretty amazing color coded design books, test kitchens, plural, 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.119 a million different props for photo shoots. As Martha might say, Brian, 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.160 it's a good thing anyway. For more than thirty five years, 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.120 Martha Stewart has dominated all things domestic. She's lent her 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.560 good taste and name to everything from TV shows, cookbooks, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.440 to bath towels, meal kits, magazines, and so much more. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.240 She's like a cottage industry, and I think she's made 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.399 elegance accessible to the average person. And in our conversation, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.479 we wanted to get a better sense of the woman 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.920 behind the empire, how she stays so productive, what motivates her, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.640 and the ups and downs in her life and career. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.800 When we interviewed her, she was just putting out a 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.960 slow cooker cookbook. It was her eighty ninth cookbook, if 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.720 you could believe that. And by the way, I'm still 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.560 planning to purchase a slow cooker. I just looked at 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.000 her cookbook the other day, Brian. It's sitting on my 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.600 kitchen counter and I was like, you know what, I 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.920 need to try some of these. You've got to do it. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.799 Slow cookers are awesome. You prep everything in the morning 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.600 and time you've got a wonderful meal. I'm gonna make 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.640 it happen. She also was just starting her new TV 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.639 show with Snoop Dogg called pot Luck Tenner Party. Get 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.960 the double on Tendra there, folks, pot Lucky. I guess 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.440 the show really is brought in the green because it's 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:39.000 just rapid second season anyway. You know, we've really, we've 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.840 really gone off the rails here. Anyway, Let's get to 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.400 our conversation with Martha Stewart, and you might want to 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.680 have a plate of leftovers at the ready, because this 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.600 podcast is going to make you very hungry, and not 0:02:50.720 --> 0:03:05.200 just because of Snoop Dogg. Before we go all the 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.720 way back, I think a lot of people remember that 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:12.880 moment when Martha Stewart living Omni Media went public and 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.560 you served homemade brio sh at the New York stock Et. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.160 Tell us a little bit about the journey of the 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.360 company since then to the point that you're sort of 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.440 selling it now you're no longer. That was the probably 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.720 one of the most exciting days in my life, except 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.160 for the day that my daughter Alexis was born, uh 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.920 and maybe the day I got married, and then two 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.800 days that my grandchildren were born. Uh, maybe my cats 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:45.880 and my dogs, but most exciting day of your life. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:47.880 But I have a lot of I have a lot 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.920 of pets. So this was a very exciting day going 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.440 public because I had worked really hard to build a 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.720 superb company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, and it was kind 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.960 of a cutting edge company. And this was a company 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:06.680 me that actually took into consideration the Internet, the television, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.320 the printed word, the media, as well as merchandising. So 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.080 it was really truly on the media. And we still are. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.359 We're still on the media. I love I love the 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.040 idea of being on the media. And we took ourselves 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.200 away from publishing the magazine with Time Inc. We started 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.160 publishing on our own uh. And that day, um, we 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.320 went public at a share of I think it was 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.040 eighteen dollars a share, which went up to about thirty 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.919 two dollars. I was a multibillionaire at that day. It 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:45.240 was so I drove up Madison Avenew after after the 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.000 long day, and I said, I said, God, I can 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.680 buy pretty much anything. Did you know? I was so stupid. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.760 I should have I should have spent it all then 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.560 because everything was much cheaper than than it is now 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.559 you could and I don't. Well, I should have bought 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.080 could have, should have, would have, could have. That's a 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.360 whole chapter in my autobiography, which I am penning right now. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.280 You are making one too. We're gonna I'm not gonna 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.719 tell you anything else then, because you'll you'll copy me, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:22.040 forget my sister. But that should is I'm sure it's 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.599 a big chapter in your life too. And it's one 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.400 of those things that happens to everybody. I mean you. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.440 I remember every single antique that I didn't buy it, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.960 every single auction I went to from the time I 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.960 was married in nineteen sixty one. Can you imagine it 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.320 seemed too expensive at the time. No, it just seemed 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.440 though I can't afford it, or maybe it will fit. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.840 And I should have bought everything. I should have been 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.440 the biggest consumer because but I am a very frugal 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:55.200 person and I still oh my god, it's and my 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.599 daughter is more frugal than you are. And my daughter, 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.279 thank you, points out all the time, why don't you 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.760 have your own airplane, mom? Why don't you have your 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.080 own yacht in the river? And you know, she she 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.960 knows I could have had pretty much anything. I still 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.359 Actually I've done pretty well, and I should we still 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.520 do some of those things. But I'm not an extravagant liver. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.440 I live simply personally, although I do have you know, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.960 I live on a farm of nice I know, but 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.840 it's simple. I don't know. I I looked at your 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.440 blog the last few days preparing for this interview. I thought, 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.120 who lives like this? Maybe the Queen of England. No, 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.159 I think the Queen of England and Martha. I don't 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:44.800 we have a lot of staff anyway. Well, I think 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.719 the thing about Martha is that, you know, I've always 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:52.200 thought that you have made elegance accessible and I think 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.599 you predated sort of this whole notion of nesting and 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.920 of making beautiful things and making a house a home 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.719 and all that. And what what made you realize that 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.479 there was an appetite for that in this country. I 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.080 was brought up by a mother who really took the 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:13.160 art of homemaking to the next level. She made everything, 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:18.200 She sewed our clothes, she canned the tomatoes, she made 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.360 a delicious meal three times a day for eight people. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.280 My mom was, you know, she was a very good 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:30.600 example to me of wanting to elevate a simple life 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.680 into a good, really good life, healthy life. And we 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.560 were simple. I mean we. I lived in a in 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.280 a three bedroom house on Elm Place in the New 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.400 Jersey which I go back to see sometimes. And people 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.200 almost had a heart attack when I knocked on the 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.000 door the last time, and did you bring them some 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.160 cookies at least? So I just want to I said, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.760 you know, I used to live here. They said, we 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.720 know you're useful area, and uh, could I please see 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.760 my old bedroom which I shared with my sister Kathy, 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.120 And I would put Kathy on the right hand out 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.760 of the bed, which had the night light where I 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.000 could read. I would make her go to sleep on 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.280 that side to warm the bed because we didn't keep it. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.680 We kept the house pretty cold and saving fuel all 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.080 that stuff. Um, and so then I would drag her 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:18.160 to her side of the bed. Before Martha was younger, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.880 she has not forgiven me, believe me. And I think 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.440 a lot of people imagine you're like this major wasp, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:28.040 and I no. I'm I'm a daughter of two Polish 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.920 American people. They were born here, but my grandparents, all 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.920 four grandparents were born in Poland and they came to 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.240 the United States on ships, and you know, they could 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.720 see the island where they landed right here in New 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.360 York Harbor, and they signed in and two went to Buffalo, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.680 New York. My grandfather was a trained in My grandfather 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.360 was ski My mother's father was a trained iron monger 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.160 decorative iron work, and uh, and my other my father's 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.120 family all moved to Jersey City. I think about you 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.280 because I know how close you were to your mom, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.760 Big Martha, unbelievably close. And and did she ever come 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.240 on the Today Show with me? You know, I don't know. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.160 I feel like she might have, but I feel like 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.000 I've met her definitely, And I know you always spoke 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.600 of her, and it was really she was a really 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.439 great mother, uh, and one of those mothers who had 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.760 six kids and every child was equal, no matter what, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.600 no matter what the bad things we did, we were 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.080 all equal. And then my parents and that was until 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.920 the day she died. We were all equally all around 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.240 her bid when she died. And she died at nine 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.960 four and almost ninety four years old. So she's she 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.600 had a great life, never sick. She just finally decided 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.160 it was time. How many years ago was that that 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.480 was about, I don't. I don't remember things like years, um, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.600 which is a good thing. Do you remember things are years? Well, 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.960 I remember my mom died. I do. My mom died 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.760 three years ago on Labor Day, and and so I 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.120 remember everything, but not. I just I think about my 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.920 mom so much and I miss her so much. So 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.040 I wondered if you felt the same. I miss my 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.480 mother a lot, and I wonder, I wonder, you know, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.240 what would mother think about this or that? Um, when 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.679 I'm making a delicious meal. She would come over on 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.760 Sunday's pretty much every Sunday, from from Western Connecticut where 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.760 she lived with my sister Laura. She would drive herself 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.400 and then when she got in past ninety, I used 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.160 to sit and send somebody to pick her up. UM, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.439 and she would come to my house and eat the healthiest, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.640 delicious lunch. She had a great appetite that she'd take 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.880 a walk with me. Then she'd have a massage. I 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.520 always got my massure over for mom and UM, and 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.800 we'd go to a movie and she'd have a fabulous day. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.440 And but she was What I really loved about her 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:55.160 was that egalitarian attitude towards all her her children and 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.560 so even though her daughter was rich and famous, the 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:04.280 other five kids were were famous justice successful in her eyes. Yeah. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.440 So it occurred to me as we were preparing for 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.080 this that you know, you were a model early in 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.440 your career. You were a stockbroker for several years and 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:18.040 you didn't really become quote Martha Stewart until you were 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.400 in your forties. Yeah. I was a late bloomer, which 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.240 is like Julia Child. Actually, that's who it reminded me of. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.200 I was a late bloomer. And my gynecologist, uh there, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.920 I don't know he even called me a late bloomer. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.760 So in what context? Because said that I was a 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.040 late bloomer in terms of my in terms of my 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.960 business life. And isn't that funny that your doctor would 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.000 call you a late bloomer? I thought it was crazy, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:50.120 like like my gardener calling me a late bloomer. So 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.680 when your first book came out, well, Martha didn't really 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.679 answer that earlier question though, which is how did you 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:02.360 know that this was a really potentially huge market for 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.680 what you were saying. After being a stockbroker and and 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.120 working with people's money, I then retired to Westport, and 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.160 I did started looking around for what you were doing, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.079 a catering business. And I started a catering business with 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.040 a friend called Norma Collier, and she was a famous 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.000 model at the time and she wanted to have a 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.360 business too, So we started this catering business dealing with 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.360 people's appetites other than their and not their pocketbooks, really 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.040 but the same thing. And they were very similar. I mean, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.199 people could be real nasty or real nice, money or appetite. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.120 And then Norma had to retire early because she was 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.439 way too hard the work. And I liked the physical labor. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.560 I liked the building a restaurant every night and then 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.520 breaking it down and cleaning the cards. I mean, believe me, 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.080 I'm a glutton for punishment. I am. I am a worker. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.079 B I just brought up like that. But um, I 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.719 realized that the art of homemaking really and truly had 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:03.240 not been celebrated in an appropriate way. And I thought 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.400 of my mother all the time. Here's this fabulous woman 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.400 who was also a very hard worker, but she hadn't 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.679 been celebrated as a homemaker and to be able to 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.000 raise the kids on they were making when my when 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.200 my mother wasn't teaching, my father was working they were 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.960 living on a salary of about eleven thousand a year. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.760 And this is a long time ago, but still that's 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:28.800 very little money to manage. That's why the garden was Yeah, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.800 that's why the garden was so big. That's why the 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.439 clothing was made by hand. The sewing machine was always busy. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.520 Mom didn't get very many hours of sleep, you know, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.920 the whole thing. And we were not poor. We did 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.120 not consider ourselves poor in any way. So when did 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.080 you realize that this thing you were doing, that homemaking 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.920 and cooking and sewing and gardening, could become a business. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.959 And well, I started writing books in two And I'm 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.800 sure you have my Entertaining book. I probably, And I 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.880 actually still remember the pretty picture of you on the cover. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.319 Your hair was long and I think it was maybe 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.520 in a half updo or something, and I had yes, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.880 And I remember your basket weave um with frosting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.560 it wasn't that in there? Oh yeah, definitely. Well I 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.920 think I read that before I started. I started to 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.800 write books. Because I started, I started to realize that 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.680 my friends were just like me. We all needed some 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.560 encouragement to entertain better. We needed better recipes. That could 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.800 be done that weren't too complicated, and there were no 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:35.360 at that time, very few illustrated cookbooks, and I, you know, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.160 I considered myself as crazy, I know, but I considered 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.160 myself kind of a really good cook at the time. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.560 And so I wrote this book entertaining and my publisher 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.960 I remember saying, if you still ten thousand copies, you 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.320 should be happy. I said, I know twenty five thousand 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.440 people who will buy this book. Because I have been 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.880 catering for a while and I had all South Bees clients. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.480 I had the museums in New York hired my me 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.120 for my services. I did parties at the Metropolitan Museum 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.360 of Art. How many coffees did it? So it's it's 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.760 way way over a million coffies. So I don't know 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.920 the latest. I should I should know the exact number, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.480 But you don't wake up in the morning and say, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.920 let's look and see. I'm sure. I'm sure it's way 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.920 over a million. Because by the way, that was for 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.880 the first of what over a hundred. Well we're up 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.920 to we're up to ninety now, and we just published here. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.880 This is the right That's what I knew. One called 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.320 slow Cooker which are eighty nine, and then the newly 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.760 Way Cookbooks coming out very shortly and that will be 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.240 our And then Martha's Flowers comes out in February. I'm 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.720 excited about that. So does that teach you how to 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.600 arrange flowers? How to grow and arrange? It's growing, enjoying 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.640 and arrange flowers. That's your favorite flower? I like fragrant flowers. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.920 I like lilacs. Oh, I like tu lips. I like roses, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.160 like panes. I love piannies, you know, I I love piannies, 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.160 but I feel like they become everybody's favorite flowers, so 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.040 that makes me not like them. Don't don't feel like that? Now? 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.640 You know what I'm into Martha, Well, obviously hydranges. I 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.320 don't know. My hydranges were on steroids. They needed a bikini. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.360 This year this was the best year for hydrangees, right, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.560 apples like apple It was crazy. But I'm really into 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.200 dahlia's right now. Dalis are fabulous. They're so pretty, They're 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.400 so gigantic, like dahlias and zinnias. I think together they're pretty. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.400 They're pretty. Brian. Yeah, I know, yes, every now and 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.440 then I can surprise you can I ask you, though 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.720 you're so incredibly productive all these books and TV shows 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.080 and magazines, and I read you only need four to 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.840 five hours of sleep per night. Can you walk us 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.200 through a typical Martha day? I mean, what did you 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.160 do today? For example? Today's today's like New York. So 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.000 that's not so interesting. Yesterday was a good day. Okay, Okay, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:58.080 so yesterday I have I don't have live in help, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.080 but I do require that my keeper or keepers. Sometimes 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.880 I have to come in at seven, so I can't 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.680 be in bed at my housekeeper coms. I just don't 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.919 do that. So I get I'm up before they're up, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.120 and I take um the covers off the bird cages. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.720 And I have read factory canaries in my house. They're 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.800 beautiful and they're singing. And then I have three cats 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:24.399 and five dogs in Bedford and where live most of 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.119 the time, I can I commute to New York. I 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.320 read somewhere you have four drivers. Well yeah, but not 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.320 all the same time. No, No, I know, but I have. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.840 My days are so tight, days are so long, and 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.159 you can only they can only be can't forty hours 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.160 a week and they can't be tired. So that's why 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.960 all right, but um, but Brian is just jealous. But 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.719 all right, so we've we've taken care of the birds. 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.600 So then um, and so then I I make breakfast 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.080 for everybody. So I made the cappuccinos for everybody because 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.200 the eggs come from your chickens. Right, yes, yes, you've mentioned. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.800 We have salmon for breakfast because some a friend had 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.719 sent me two beautiful big salmon's. A lion caught salmons 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.000 from Alaska last week and I had to eat them. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.640 So I poached salmon. I'm doing I'm doing a little 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.199 blog on that on how to poach a salmon. And 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.119 it's oh, it's pretty pictures. And so I photographed the 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.439 blog and I make the salmon. No, no, we just 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:23.160 eat it with lemon juice. It's so tasty. Yeah, like yogurt, cucumbers. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.800 Nothing for breakfast. That this is breakfast and then for 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.040 lunch and so then so then after that, I and 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.960 my green juice. We have green juice. Every morning. Everybody 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.720 drinks green juice because it's like power. So what do 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:42.040 you put in your green So it's spinach, celery, parsonally mint, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.280 maybe a piece of fruit of some sort, like a pear. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.240 Green pear is good. Um, a piece of melon or 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.160 a piece of papaya or mango, whatever, it's very good juice. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:58.240 Everybody delicious and we drink that. Then I went on 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.040 a horseback ride, and that was at ten o'clock. I 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.199 was ready for the horseback right after doing getting make 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.080 sure everybody's doing lots of horses and I have six horses. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.639 Bedford has a has a series of bridle trails about 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.680 three hundred miles, so you can get lost, you can 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.840 have a good time. Does Ralph Lauren live up there? 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.480 To the next tror to me? We like, Hey Ralph, 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:25.800 Martha by Ralph. Um, I'm I'm the farm at to 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:33.240 Ralph's estate. I'm the farm at Okay, Yes, the mottest 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.040 farm next to Ralph. We have a very nice neighborhood. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:38.960 And then, oh, I should have told you then then 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.800 I'll tell you about Friday night afterwards. But and then 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.600 I came back from the horseback ride. I made the lunch, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.360 so I sautade some onions from the garden, fresh onions 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.040 and some red and yellow peppers, and I made a 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.960 for tata. I'm delicious for Tata, studded with little lots 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.080 of cream, cheese, which I like in for Tata. I 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.320 don't know why, but I just like it. And I 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.359 we had little cheese puffs that were left over from 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.560 Friday night supper, and that was a salad of dark 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.520 red and green lettuce. Then we made fifty gallons of 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.600 apple cider. Or would you bring some of that apple 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.600 cider over here? Fifty gallons of this and you know 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:21.000 how hard it is to carsh the apples. It's delicious apple. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.320 Take a sip, it's so good. What kind of apples 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:30.920 did you use? Who knows? On my property? We must 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:36.760 have fifty varieties of assis. Delicious i've ever had. We 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.119 compare it to other I think it's really just the 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.840 variety of apples. I think. Um. So we did that, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.280 and while they were doing that, I shucked and scraped 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.439 the corn off, about maybe sixty ears of corn, and 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.320 I sewed and I saw tade all the kernels and 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.320 a little bit of butter with some some water, and 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.640 then I frowe was I think I froze ten quarts 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.800 of corn kernels. And then I made a great pot 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.600 of from again, there's so many tomatoes. I made a 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.840 great pot of tomato soup, just tomatoes and onions, threw 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.520 them all in this giant pot and cooked and cooked 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.760 and cooked until then I put it through the food 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.159 so you get all the seeds and skins out. I 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:25.880 think we made eight quarts of tomato soup and relaxing Sunday. 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.880 Then I went, Oh, my friend called Memory. My friend 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:32.639 Memory called and said, you have to go see this garden. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.959 It's on the open days and Greenwich Open Days is 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.119 the Garden Conservancy, which is a very fantastic organization. I 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.400 belong to that, and people who belong open their gardens 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.320 to other gardeners. So I went to see Mr Landman's 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:50.400 garden in Greenwich, which is incredible, fifteen acre garden. Made 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.320 me sick because because if I feel we're happy for him, 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.880 when I when I get jealous. The only time I'm 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.879 ever jealous. It's not envy, it's just jealous. Anyway, his 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.199 garden is so beautiful. Then I went to see my 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.080 friend Memory, who was lying in bed because she has 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.399 a cut on her leg. Who knows. And then I 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.439 left there. I got in a bad mood because she 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.320 was in bed. And then I went home and I 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.160 went We searched for my missing peacocks. Were always missing 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.639 two peacocks. They were out eating with the This is 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.919 a busy day. It is a busy day. It sounds 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.439 it is fun. The peacocks were hanging out with the 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:28.160 wild turkeys. Now there's a gang of five wild male 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.200 turkeys and my two male peacocks that I allow out 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.639 of their enclosure. Uh, they have kind of befriended the 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:44.800 wild turkeys. And is there any nookie going on? Peacocks 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.640 a band of boys and uh, so we could tell 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.920 her forever. I mean, you don't know, these are so silly. 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:54.760 I hope this is not boring to you. Love you love. 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:56.680 I went to get a massage, I went to get 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:01.040 the Chinese reeflexology and did something where you I did prove. 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.760 Then I went home and I did a little bit 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:05.520 more cooking. But I had a column do this morning, 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.800 so I had to work on my column on the 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:12.000 restoration of furniture. So I had to write that. And 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:16.680 that's that was my day. See that's a Sunday. It's 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.040 time to take a quick break. But when we returned, 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.000 we're going to talk to Martha about those five months 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.560 she spent in the slammer. It's something she has rarely 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.919 talked about, and we're going to get the scoop on 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:31.679 her time spent working with Donald Trump. That's right after this. 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.000 These days, if we want to know something, we ask 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.560 Alexa or Siri, but we don't always think about just 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.040 how much AI is shaped by existing information and the 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.200 limitations of the people who build it. On this week's 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.280 episode of the lean And podcast Tilted, they talked to 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.000 experts from M I, T, and Cornell to understand how 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:02.400 AI leads to unfair decision making and contributes to bias, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.520 and what we can do about it. You won't want 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.240 to miss it. Tilted features intimate conversations with some of 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.160 the world's most powerful women in Hollywood and politics, sports, 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.480 and business. It's hosted by lean And co founder and 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.280 president Rachel Thomas, and every week they explored the gender 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.800 bias that lurks in unexpected places and the impact it 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:27.240 has on our everyday lives. Listen and subscribe to Tilted 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:31.480 from lean In on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever you 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.480 get your podcasts. And now back to our conversation with 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:40.600 the one and only Martha Stewart. After your release from prison, 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.399 you did Martha Stewart the Apprentice or the Apprentice Martha 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.000 Stewart and this office. It was right here in this office. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.840 We built their bedrooms, here, their kitchens. The whole thing 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.040 was the most monstrous production you have ever seen. And 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.479 Donald Trump was the executive producer of it. Well, yes 0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:00.119 one with Mark Barnett. And Mark Burnett promised me when 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.480 I agreed to do it, that I would fire Donald 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.119 at the end of my show, that Donald were going 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.720 to replace him. Yes, and Donald did not want to 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:18.760 be replaced by the time president. I know, he maligned 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.880 my show so badly. He was nasty. Well know, who 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.040 knows why he wanted he wanted to stay on TV. 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:27.560 He had he had, you know, he drank the kool 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.200 aid and he loved it so much. I show did 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.360 really well in Europe, and it did really well in Japan. 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.399 But um, but the ratings in America were not as 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.520 good as Donald's ratings. But I was as outrageous as 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:43.640 Donald either. I think people like outrage and um, as 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:47.840 you know, after this whole year, um and so so. 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:53.440 But he but we remained uh on some semi cordial 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:58.440 And what did you learn about him from working with him? Well, 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.080 he had very little to do with my show. What 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.080 did you learn about him from what he said about 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.879 you around? I was not happy. And my daughter. He 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.280 said nasty things about my daughter and she was on 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.199 the radio at the time he was, and she was 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.359 on The Apprentice for a little bit and I did 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.800 not like that, and none of us did, and it 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.560 was not nice. I would never say anything untoward of 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.200 his about his children. You don't talk about people's children, 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.680 but he does. How do you think he's doing as president? 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.280 Do we have to really get there? I was not. 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.439 I was not. I'm not happy at the state of 0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.760 things at all. You were a big Hillary Clinton supporter. 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.040 And I saw her in the histtempt and she was 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.240 walking on Loui Pan Lane the other day, really, and 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.480 I was walking my dogs and she I bumped into. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.480 I saw the black van's first and I thought, oh God, 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.560 who's coming? And it was Hillary. She know she was 0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:55.000 with a friend, Liz Robbins, and we talked for quite 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:56.879 a while standing there in the middle of the street, 0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.320 and uh, and she looked well and she me her 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.040 book was just about to be released. It was right, 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.000 I guess it was a week before her book came out, 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.000 and um, so I haven't read it. Yet. But um, 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.880 but she has to speak out, she has to say 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.680 what she said. And uh, and you know it's a 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.960 it's too bad. She's really damned if she does. Damned 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.800 if she does. And I mean I've been, I've been, 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.359 I guess not surprised, but it's still I'm always taken 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:27.280 aback at the vitriol and hatred that is directed at her. 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.480 I think people still are not comfortable. Not all, not 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:35.320 all people, but many people are still uncomfortable with the 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.680 notion of a woman in power very much. So. I'm 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.360 sure you've dealt with that, oh of course. But um 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.680 but I'm strong enough to sort of brush it off. 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.600 And when you're running for president, it's pretty hard just 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.760 to brush it off. Although I probably would have behaved 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.360 a lot differently than Hillary did on those debate stages, 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.679 what would you have done? I told him to get lost. 0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:00.600 I mean, she she was calling her names and she 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.800 wasn't calling him names. Call him some names. Really, I 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.320 don't know her decorum did not she didn't. I don't 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.960 think people have to be so decorous to ugly people. 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.800 What's the what's the old line about you get into 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.159 a mud pit with a pig and the pig is 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:20.560 gonna win. Let me ask you the one thing uh 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.680 many questions we had, Martha, is and I don't think 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.719 you've talked about it that much. Is you know. I 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.159 look at you and everything you've accomplished, and then you 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:33.400 had this moment in your life when you were in prison, 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.639 and I imagine in my mind's eye what that was. 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:41.640 I went to Yale for five months. I read a lot, 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.600 I learned a lot. And what was that like for 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.200 you mean? Was that sort of like? It was horrifying? 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.640 It was horrifying, and no one, no one should have 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:56.640 to go through that kind of indignity, really except for murderers, 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.280 and and you know there are a few other categories, 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.640 but no one should have to go through that. It's 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.960 a very very awful thing. Having said that, I mean, 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.200 was it a growth experience in any way? I know 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.400 that you would read out to a lot of the 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.080 other women, you can make lemons out of lemonade, and 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.800 what what what hurts you makes you stronger? No, none 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:21.200 of those adages fit at all. It's a horrible experience. 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:26.800 Nothing is good about it. Nothing was so horrible about it, 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:32.960 being taken away from your family, being maligned, being treated 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:38.040 the way you were treated. It's horrible, um, and especially 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.840 when one does not feel one deserves such a thing. 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.320 I mean, I was not a bad person. Well, I 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.640 think a lot of people are under the misconception that 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.600 you were convicted of insider trading. You were, you were not. 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.280 I wasn't even accused of insider trading. But I don't 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:53.840 want to get into that either. I mean, it's just 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.680 like like, And one thing I do not ever want 0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.640 is to be identified or I don't want that to 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:04.680 be the major thing of my life. It's just not 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.280 it's just not fair. But um, but it's not a 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.280 good experience and it doesn't make you stronger. I was 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.080 a strong person to start with, and thank Heavens, I was, 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.440 and I can still hold my head up high and 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.480 know that I'm fine. Did you get to know any 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.000 of your fellow inmates and what was that like? I 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.800 know you helped them with certain things, and did you 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.040 become friendly with them? Um? No, I'm not really friendly. 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.800 I wouldn't say that. As much as I've tried. I've 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:36.840 tried to help certain of them. Um. There are lots 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:41.640 and lots of odd stories and disturbing things that go 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.360 on in a in a incarceration like that, even a 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.440 minimum security, well you couldn't walk in minimum security. Still 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:53.560 couldn't walk out the gate, you know, across the river. Um, 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:57.040 it was Um, they're still guards and they're still it's 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:03.200 still nasty and it's still but but that's that's America 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:06.760 has so many people in prison. You go to Finland 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:08.880 and there's about I think there's like a hundred people 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.479 in prison in Finland or some tiny number. Uh. They 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.960 don't believe in in that kind of incarceration. Uh, And 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.240 I don't think we should have the numbers of people 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.000 in prison. And the most of the women that were 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:26.240 in this in this institution were there because of the 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:31.280 New York state drug laws. And now we have legalized 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:36.240 marijuana in seven states. I think it is Uh, that's incredible. 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.200 And those and people who had a few ounces of 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.520 marijuana on them and are in there for twenty years, 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:46.040 it just doesn't make sense to some of those people 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.600 get to be released as as a result. I know 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.880 that there was a movement with President Obama to change 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.720 sort of minimum mandatory. Not much was done, not not 0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.240 enough was done. So on a happier note, you've had 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.760 this friendship with Snoop Dogg. But I think his uh 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.680 surprised and delighted some of your some of your fans 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.360 more just surprised others of your people. People seem to 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:17.960 really like our public dinner party. Yeah, no, there of 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.720 course there's a double. I was drink sarcastic. That was 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.720 my name. I came up with that name. He did 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.440 just very how you get to know each other. The 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.680 green we had, the green meal, We had all kinds 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.200 of stuff, funny names. Well, he was on my show 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.480 a couple of times, and he was always just a 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.960 pleasant guest and fun and made people and and the 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.040 response was always good. Did you get a contact high 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.000 from the green room after he came not in New York? 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.400 He didn't. He didn't partaken and anything. He was on 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.360 my my show once and honestly, I opened the door 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.640 and it was like one of those cartoons where this 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.800 smoke just billowed down. I think, I think, I don't. 0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.280 I think that's probably why he doesn't come to New 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.040 York very much, because he's not free to just that's true. 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:05.920 This was in California. Oh, no, California. Oh and then 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.320 um and then you go to then um we did 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.760 the Justin Bieber roast together and that was that, which 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.760 is hilarious for anybody. It was. It was hilarious. And 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.440 there I did get a contact high sitting next to 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.920 him for four hours on the stage. Oh you couldn't 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:23.600 help it. I mean he had these you know, he 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:29.080 was smoking for four hours right next to us. Oh yeah, 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.600 soun doing the show with him. Yeah, it really is 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.120 fun and it's um I call it a melding of cultures. 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:41.959 I mean, here's Compton and Nutley probably not so probably 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.680 not so different. Way down under. I met his mother. 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.080 He brought his mother to the show. She's a lovely lady, 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:53.520 very intelligent, very well spoken. He had other family members there. 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.720 I mean, it's it's kind of an interesting situation. And 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.520 then we have these great guests and we cook and 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.480 he's a fun cook. He and he is his uncle Rio, 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:09.879 who is this jovial, very fancily dressed on gentlemen who 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:14.080 wears very jazzy clothes, you know, spats and gold suits 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:19.600 and whatever and hats and anyway, Uncle Rio kind of 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.320 creates all the recipes for Snoop and my my straight 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:27.000 laced team of Thomas, Joseph and uh and the rest 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:31.799 of the kitchen here, they're they're all like but it's fun. 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.759 I mean, it's fun. I think what's so great about you? 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.399 You you're always reinventing yourself. You're always Change is good. 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.719 That's one of my mottos. Change is good. And when 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.319 you're through changing, you're through in my book. So and 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.960 you've done that, You've changed, You've changed so nicely and evolved. 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.160 And I've tried. But you do, you do, You're you're 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.480 You're prettier now than you were when I first met you, 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.359 by the way, And I think it's because I had 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.600 such a fat face when I was younger, and aging 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.360 makes you kind of hollow out a little bit. But 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:10.000 I had enough excess that I don't look on You're 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:14.480 not now look normal, right, you look great? And so 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.120 I think all of that is uh is good and 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:21.400 um and it's been it's been interesting to also challenge myself. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.120 I mean, it's hard to go on stage with Jamie 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.759 Foxx and um Puff Daddy or PGD or whatever his 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.520 name is now and uh us sure and all those 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:34.759 guys and and uh a little YACHTI And it's extraordinary 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.120 the talent that comes on our show really amazing tallenge. Yeah, 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:43.160 that's fun. And meanwhile, Um, as a business person, I'm curious, 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.759 as a hugely successful woman in business, what do you 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.520 think are the most important lessons you've learned along the way, 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.759 Because I don't know. I'm at the point in my 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.799 career that I want to mentor more young women and 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.160 so what would you tell them? Well, it's um, it's 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:05.320 all about having ideas, having energy to grow those ideas 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:11.239 into something UM, and having the wherewithal, whether it be 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:19.440 personal or borrowed or education, to build something of lasting value. 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.600 And I think just my library books is of lasting value. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.440 Many of the other things that I've done also I 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:32.279 think will have a lasting value. Building a brand is interesting, 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.000 but it's unless it's a really good brand and has 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:38.640 a wide audience. Uh. What the heck. I'm not a 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.239 Bill Gates. I didn't I didn't invent software. I wish 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.080 I had. But in the meantime, I utilize what's available 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.200 and and learning how to use what's new and different 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.200 has made a big difference in my business. And I 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.120 think learning you know, when I started my business, the 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.600 internet was a baby, uh, and but I had a computer. 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.400 I learned how to use that computer. I learned how 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:06.319 to to to write and and uh and use the 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.520 internet to do research, to do all of the things. 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.120 Now social media is another challenge for all of us. 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:16.320 How do we how do we maneuver and uh and 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.600 uh and negotiate social media to make a difference without 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.759 wasting a tremendous amount of time doing so. So a 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.480 lot of always opened to open to new ideas and 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.479 to and to I was I'm one of the early 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.920 adopters of the computer. Believe it or not. I mean, 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:37.120 isn't that crazy? But I am. And two, I got 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.400 my first computer. When did you get your computer? Are 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.640 you born yet? I was when I was just born. 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:44.880 When did I get my first computer? I think it 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.839 was in the late eighties at some point. I got 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:50.560 my drink in the early nineties. Well when I oh, no, yeah, 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.160 I think in the early or even late eighties. When 0:37:53.160 --> 0:38:00.879 I was broadcasting, wasn't using computers in we We were 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:05.439 the first magazine to design on an Apple. And that's 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.759 why I wanted you. I wanted to make sure that 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.560 we were doing it in the new and different way. 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.640 It was no cutting and pasting on big tables. So 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.839 it's a it's that so making use of what's available 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.120 currently avail was very important to me. My dad used 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.200 to say that you really had to stay on top 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.000 of this ever changing world. And I think now more 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.120 than ever, it's a good thing. As you would say. Martha, 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:28.759 by the way, do you remember when I gave you 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:32.839 the Matrix Award? So I you know, I worked so 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.400 hard on this poem and I have to just repeat 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:40.760 the first in communications, and Martha was, of course so deserving. 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:44.800 I remembered. I was terrified because the Dais was full 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.360 of very impressive women that year. Of course you and 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.239 then what BEI Goldberg? And I think Amy tan and 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.120 and Richards and all these people, but I was what 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.719 went before me, and I was like, oh, I'm I'm 0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.400 screwed because she's so funny and relax acts and I 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:03.200 was a nervous wreck. But I had worked really hard 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.960 on a poem for Martha and it went like this, Martha, 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.840 Dear Martha, what should I do? These people have asked 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.040 me to introduce you. I haven't eaten, I haven't slept. 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.440 Talk about making a girl fill in at anything I 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.920 can do? You can do better dipping a candle, knitting 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.239 a sweater. A room needs repainting, you'll make it, saying 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.279 with Robin's egg blue because it's a good thing. And 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.160 only a woman who's in your position makes a gingerbread house. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.600 This air condition tartar ta, Marzi pad coco, vant to 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.680 bruschetta panchetta is not all you can do. Your holiday 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.960 meals are a feast for the eyes. Why can't you 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:37.120 use stovetop and Mrs Niss pies? Anyway, went on and 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:44.120 on anyway, why hard? Well, you know what I think what. 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:48.560 I worked so hard on this and it was so 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.719 much fun to do, and I was so honored to 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:54.319 be asked to present it to you. Um. So that's 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.439 one of my my favorite poems because my dad said 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.360 I write. My dad used to say I write a girl, 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:04.759 not poetry. Um. By the way, before we go, we 0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.279 have a listener voicemail question. We have a listener who 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:11.600 called in with a question for Martha. Okay, I am 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.480 calling from St. Pete, Florida, where I'm reading Martha Stewart 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.400 Living by the Light of a Lantern because I'm still 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:22.560 without power. But I've always been curious about whether or 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:26.759 not Martha Stewart has ever done something she shouldn't have 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.600 done like stood up on a chair instead of a ladder, 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.880 or didn't we have the safety glasses she was supposed 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.400 to do. She's trying to us all how to do 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.799 things right, But I'm just wondering about where she's made 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:42.640 some goofs that taught her a lesson. Well, but oh 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.200 my gosh, that's a good one. That's your biggest screw up. 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.640 My biggest screw up was riding under the branch of 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:53.239 a tree on my giant horse and getting knocked off 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:57.480 because I thought I could bend backwards under it. That 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.480 was a stupid thing because then I broke my arm. 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.799 But were there any other things where? Well, now, when 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.840 she says standing on a chair and set of ladder, um, 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:11.240 I would never do that because I have taught everyone. 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.520 I mean, you know, as as an employer of people, 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.600 you have to teach good lessons. So I'm very strict 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:21.359 about having a ladder available in most places, so that 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.680 if you have to reach a high shelf, you step 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.600 on a ladder. Um in the garden there they must 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:32.200 wear their ear muffs when they're using loud machinery. Uh, 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.399 they have to have safety lessons for chain saws because 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.520 I know how I know how to use chain sauce. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.359 I mean, I really do practice good healthy living well 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.839 or either that or your control free. No, no, no, 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:52.640 I practice safety for safety. Well, no I'm not. I mean, 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:56.320 I'm not a nut nudge about it, but I'm serious 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.480 about it. But you're so um, You're so good at everything. 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.279 It's And I gave a big gift to the emergency 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.640 room both in Westport and in and in Mount Kisco, 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.440 just in case, just in case. They're they're always taken 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.560 care of. But what is the biggest Have you ever 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.360 screwed something up terribly? Please tell me you have? Like, 0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:18.120 what is the biggest thing? You messed my marriage by 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:24.200 being a caterer? Really? Probably? Do you know? I think 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:27.919 about thinking that I was attractive enough or something like that. 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.720 I I see you at some social events, are passed 0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:35.120 across on a number of occasions, and you never remarried. 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:39.480 I have not, Um are you? Are you sorry? I 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.759 could have married the next guy or the next guy, 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.120 but I didn't. I'm not. I'm not unhappy about that. 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.319 I don't. And now when I see some of my 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.560 friends with her husbands, and I'm so happy that are 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.160 they are they unhappy and that makes you happy that 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.000 you're not unhappy? Or do you just feel like who 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:02.520 needs it out? None of the above. When Mr Wright 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.800 comes along, I'll Maria, are you still open to dating? 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.520 How do you have some of my branch women? You 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.560 are and you're beautiful? How does somebody do you go 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:12.400 to match? Do you go on match dot com? Or 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:17.880 I think you went on for today's show. Can you 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.000 imagine the algorithm just doesn't fit me, It doesn't know. 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.319 Maybe you could go on Farmers dot com. Maybe that 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.520 might be a match made in heaven, Martha. They could 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.000 help you with your card my farm. I don't I 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.120 don't want I want I want them. I don't want 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:34.719 them to help me with my farm. I want not 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:39.680 going to be hoping on Farmers dot com. That sorry 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:43.319 O'Brien to talk about your new cookbook before we go, 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:49.120 because it's your eighty nine Martha Cooker. We laugh because 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.279 in the intro you said you'd never really used a 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.479 slow cooker before, but you knew that they were really 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.520 popular and they are now. Isn't this what people used 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.239 to call a crock pot? Yeah, this is the evolution 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:05.000 of a croc pot and um, and it is so good. 0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.680 The food is so delicious. And this book we we 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:12.400 set out with no holds barred and no preconceptions, because 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.040 it's not just dump a bunch of meat and vegetables 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:16.920 in a pot and add some water and turn it 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.360 on like cream and mushroom soup. No, no, it isn't 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.200 any of that. So you can make savory, you can 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.120 make sweet, you can make cinnamon buns, you can make 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:30.840 apple crisp, and made apple crisp from start. Some of that. 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:37.640 Our producer Gianna is standing next to the everything. I 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:39.720 don't think, Brian, I don't know. No, I'm not coming 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:44.960 it now. It's okay. You can share it with me, yea. Anyway, 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.000 so you had did you have fun making this? This 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.320 cookbook as usual? So much fun. I mean, I'm excited 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.520 because I have to walk a few miles a day 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.719 back and forth from the kitchens here. This is a 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.560 block long and long block, eleventh to the twelfth avenue. 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.480 But to eat all this food here, give that to 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:09.640 Katie's apple crisp. And I just picked an apple for 0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:20.720 something to do with my Brian, take a taste. Okay, 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.720 that is so good and it's the apples. See fresh apples. 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:28.239 The apples are delicious. You guys have some too. There's 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:33.320 a whole crocutch after the cranberries in it. As. This 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.600 is the best interview we've ever done. I know, I 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:44.520 know this, and no one else made us. Uh these 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:49.240 really delicious crampled eggs that were so slowly with truffle 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:55.120 butter and a brioche toast. Yeah. When I brought my 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:59.239 house in East Hampton, I know what had still had 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:03.719 the barefoot canto as the shop in town. And we 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:07.640 became friends and I started her TV show. Did you 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.600 know that? I imagine she said that you were. She 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:16.600 forgot that I started her television. Actually, I think she 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.239 did mention that. Martha. She said that you wrote the 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.040 introduction to her first cookbook and you were enormously helpful 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:26.919 to her. So we have a lightning round. Okay, Yeah, 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:29.399 but I was going to ask Martha about what IMUS said, 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:34.080 how she couldn't understand if somebody who didn't cook why 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:37.479 they would watch her show. But Brian and I were saying, 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.359 we love to watch cooking shows because even if we're 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.759 not cooking, whatever is being made, you learn and they're 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:48.239 so relaxing there's something that they're kind of hypnotic in 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:53.600 a way. Eat. Yeah, you get hungry? These apples are 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:57.440 They are delicious? This whole thing is super yummy. All right, 0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.480 well I eat, Brian. Why don't you start the lightning 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.239 round car. You're making a simple dinner at home just 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.560 for you? What are you cooking? Well? Because I have 0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:09.759 so many eggs, Um, I will oftentimes make something out 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:13.040 of the eggs. But I will also just bake a 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:17.640 fresh potato that's just freshly dug. I love baked potatoes 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:22.840 and um um, just just butter and sour cream or 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:28.399 crime fresh so good um, and lots of chopped herbs. Um. 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:33.520 I will um cook a whole head of cauliflour or 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:37.279 broccoli because I love that too. I'm healthy. Yeah. And 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.400 what do you put on the cauliflower or Broncoli? Oh, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.719 just cooking and salted water, heavily salted water, and maybe 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:48.880 a dab of butter. Are there any recipes you hate making? Anything? 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.439 You hate cooking? I won't do it. Why why many food? 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:57.600 You hate brains? I won't eat brains. I don't that's wait. 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.640 Breads are destines. They're finest glance or something I don't know. 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.840 They're nasty, that's all. I have to say that. In 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:09.200 shad Row, which my dad used to I know, but 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:13.560 the eggs are so big and it's in this millions 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.360 of little eggs inside the sacks. You're eating the sack 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:22.799 of eggs. Okay, what's your biggest strength and your biggest weakness? Um? 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:27.800 I think my biggest strength is my curiosity, and probably 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.200 my biggest weakness is also my career because you want 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.080 to do too many things. Yeah? Probably? Um. Do you 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:38.080 think marijuana should be legal? Um? Yeah, I think so. 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.759 I think so, but I worry about but it should 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:46.000 be controlled by parents because I just think that, you know, 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.320 there's too much in Denver. I'm understanding that that school 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.880 children are are partaking too much and it's hurting their studies. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.920 I don't. I don't like anything that interferes with growing 0:48:56.040 --> 0:49:00.880 up in a healthy, vibrant and iron men. I agree. 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:02.560 I feel like you don't. Why do you? I mean, 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.120 I understand would all train drugs, but you know, because 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:08.800 what does the child need that for? I don't understand 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.680 having sort of this artificial Why worry about all the 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.560 prescription drugs that kids are getting in school? As well 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:17.080 like little in adderall and all of that. Anyway, we 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.440 have a listener question that's very quick, the longest podcast 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:25.520 I ever did, the math Stewart. What is the best 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:32.919 way to cook pork chops? I want to know? Thank you? Um, well, 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.160 I think pork chops should be. Um, you could bread 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.960 them if you want, but I just I just dredge 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:43.360 them in in a salty, peppery flower and then I 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:47.719 just cook them lightly in a little olive oil and 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.319 a little bit of butter until they are pretty much done, 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:55.799 and then I squeeze fresh oranges over them and let 0:49:55.920 --> 0:50:00.799 the juices sort of caramelize. They're the because it's hard 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.319 to make a juicy pork shop. Yeah, but that's that's 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.359 the best way to something my mom was never able 0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:08.160 to do. I'll tell you that. Don't broil them, yeah, 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:11.360 because they get dried out. What's your favorite thing to 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:15.400 do with your grandkids? Oh? Explore? I mean these kids 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:19.239 are such explorers. So how old now Martha five and six? 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:21.680 But they are great travelers. And we went to the 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:25.120 Galapagos already, we bunch of Botswana, We go to Maine. 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:30.120 They're climbing rock walls now. Um, they the boys, a 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.080 girl and a boy. Girl and a boy, and they're 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.200 they're very very fun to be with. And how's your daughter? 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.560 Alexis is great, she's a very good mother. And these 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:43.239 children are the result of close attention. Now we talked 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.800 about reinventing. So as we bring this to a close, 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.400 what would you like to do, Martha that you haven't 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.240 done yet? Like, would you like to be in Martha 0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:58.360 the Musical? I mean actually like to do that. Actually, no, 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:03.080 actually that would be a music. Um, I'm wanna be 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:06.120 uh yeah, I have I have some business kind of 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.000 things to give us a little hint. Well, I've been 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:12.879 working on an organizer for for the homemaker and I'm 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.280 going to build that. Always fun to see what Martha 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:19.560 does next. Mary, thank you. That was really yummy. If 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:23.200 you're going to produce for sure, well that was very delicious. 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:27.040 And your new cookbook is called slow Cooker, and I'm 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.320 excited to have one. And I guess I'm gonna have 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.200 to buy a slow cooker now. Thank you, Martha, thank 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.440 you Katie. Thank you brilliant, and I'm glad you came 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.919 to my office. Thank you for having us, and thank 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:40.319 you for making apple cider and Apple, Chris the Cappuccino. 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.760 A big thanksgiving thank you to Gianna Palmer and Emily Beena, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:50.520 who produced the original version of this interview with Martha. 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:54.680 Emma Morgenstern as our producer, Nor Richie is the associate producer, 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:58.160 and Jared O'Connell is our audio engineer. Now I don't 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:01.680 have quite the staff that Martha has, but I do 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.800 have a lot of great people I work with, including 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.840 Beth Demas, my tireless assistant, and Julia Lewis, who helps 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:13.360 me make my social media much more entertaining. Jared Arnold 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.520 composed our theme music. I'm on Twitter at Goldsmith b 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:21.200 and Katie is everywhere everywhere on the social media stratosphere 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:25.040 as Katie Kirk. If you have questions or comments for us, 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.880 please call and leave us a voicemail. The number is 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.560 nine to nine, two to four, four six three seven. 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.960 We'll be back next week with a very exciting episode. 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:39.200 Hugh Jackman come to Mama. Matt buy and Jay Carson 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.480 two of my other favorite people. They'll all be talking 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.520 about their new movie. Did that sound sincere? I do 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:49.000 really like Matt and j I'm not kidding, all kidding 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.759 aside I think they're both great and super smart. But 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:53.680 they're all going to be here to talk about this 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.600 new movie called The front Runner. And Brian, as you know, 0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.840 this in many ways illustrates the moment when the media 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.520 decided that it was fair game to talk about the 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.520 personal lives of presidential candidates, and this candidate, of course, 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:13.000 with Senator Gary Hart back in seven. We hope you listen. 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.080 We really enjoyed talking to the three of them. 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