1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Hi, Brian, Hi Katie, and hello listeners everywhere. By the 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: time you hear this, Brian and I will probably be 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: off with our own families celebrating Thanksgiving. But we also 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: suspect you might need a little escape from the family drama, 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: the big knockdown, drag out fights, and political conversations you 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: might be having, not to mention the extra dry turkey 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving tends to bring. So this week we're revisiting one 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: of our favorite episodes of podcasts past, and this guest 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: always serves a very moist turkey. Last year, Katie and 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: I met with the inimitable Martha Stewart at the headquarters 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: of her empire, Martha Stewart Living Omni Media. The offices 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: take up an entire city block, appropriately so in the 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, right along the Hudson River, and 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: they definitely passed the white glove tests. They were beautiful 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: and of course very clean. Martha, no surprise here is 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: not particularly messy. We would never get along. We would 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: be Oscar and Felix. And we walked around the joint afterwards, 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: and I have to tell you, the place is stocked. 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: It's it's pretty amazing color coded design books, test kitchens, plural, 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: a million different props for photo shoots. As Martha might say, Brian, 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: it's a good thing anyway. For more than thirty five years, 22 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart has dominated all things domestic. She's lent her 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: good taste and name to everything from TV shows, cookbooks, 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: to bath towels, meal kits, magazines, and so much more. 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: She's like a cottage industry, and I think she's made 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: elegance accessible to the average person. And in our conversation, 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: we wanted to get a better sense of the woman 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: behind the empire, how she stays so productive, what motivates her, 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: and the ups and downs in her life and career. 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: When we interviewed her, she was just putting out a 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: slow cooker cookbook. It was her eighty ninth cookbook, if 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: you could believe that. And by the way, I'm still 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: planning to purchase a slow cooker. I just looked at 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: her cookbook the other day, Brian. It's sitting on my 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: kitchen counter and I was like, you know what, I 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: need to try some of these. You've got to do it. 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: Slow cookers are awesome. You prep everything in the morning 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and time you've got a wonderful meal. I'm gonna make 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: it happen. She also was just starting her new TV 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: show with Snoop Dogg called pot Luck Tenner Party. Get 41 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: the double on Tendra there, folks, pot Lucky. I guess 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: the show really is brought in the green because it's 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: just rapid second season anyway. You know, we've really, we've 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: really gone off the rails here. Anyway, Let's get to 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: our conversation with Martha Stewart, and you might want to 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: have a plate of leftovers at the ready, because this 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: podcast is going to make you very hungry, and not 48 00:02:50,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: just because of Snoop Dogg. Before we go all the 49 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: way back, I think a lot of people remember that 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: moment when Martha Stewart living Omni Media went public and 51 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: you served homemade brio sh at the New York stock Et. 52 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about the journey of the 53 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: company since then to the point that you're sort of 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: selling it now you're no longer. That was the probably 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: one of the most exciting days in my life, except 56 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: for the day that my daughter Alexis was born, uh 57 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: and maybe the day I got married, and then two 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: days that my grandchildren were born. Uh, maybe my cats 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: and my dogs, but most exciting day of your life. 60 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: But I have a lot of I have a lot 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: of pets. So this was a very exciting day going 62 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: public because I had worked really hard to build a 63 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: superb company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, and it was kind 64 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: of a cutting edge company. And this was a company 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: me that actually took into consideration the Internet, the television, 66 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: the printed word, the media, as well as merchandising. So 67 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: it was really truly on the media. And we still are. 68 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: We're still on the media. I love I love the 69 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: idea of being on the media. And we took ourselves 70 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: away from publishing the magazine with Time Inc. We started 71 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: publishing on our own uh. And that day, um, we 72 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: went public at a share of I think it was 73 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: eighteen dollars a share, which went up to about thirty 74 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: two dollars. I was a multibillionaire at that day. It 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: was so I drove up Madison Avenew after after the 76 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: long day, and I said, I said, God, I can 77 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: buy pretty much anything. Did you know? I was so stupid. 78 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I should have I should have spent it all then 79 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: because everything was much cheaper than than it is now 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 1: you could and I don't. Well, I should have bought 81 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: could have, should have, would have, could have. That's a 82 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: whole chapter in my autobiography, which I am penning right now. 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: You are making one too. We're gonna I'm not gonna 84 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: tell you anything else then, because you'll you'll copy me, 85 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: forget my sister. But that should is I'm sure it's 86 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: a big chapter in your life too. And it's one 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: of those things that happens to everybody. I mean you. 88 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I remember every single antique that I didn't buy it, 89 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: every single auction I went to from the time I 90 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: was married in nineteen sixty one. Can you imagine it 91 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: seemed too expensive at the time. No, it just seemed 92 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: though I can't afford it, or maybe it will fit. 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: And I should have bought everything. I should have been 94 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: the biggest consumer because but I am a very frugal 95 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: person and I still oh my god, it's and my 96 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: daughter is more frugal than you are. And my daughter, 97 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: thank you, points out all the time, why don't you 98 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: have your own airplane, mom? Why don't you have your 99 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: own yacht in the river? And you know, she she 100 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: knows I could have had pretty much anything. I still 101 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: Actually I've done pretty well, and I should we still 102 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: do some of those things. But I'm not an extravagant liver. 103 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: I live simply personally, although I do have you know, 104 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: I live on a farm of nice I know, but 105 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: it's simple. I don't know. I I looked at your 106 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: blog the last few days preparing for this interview. I thought, 107 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: who lives like this? Maybe the Queen of England. No, 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: I think the Queen of England and Martha. I don't 109 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: we have a lot of staff anyway. Well, I think 110 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: the thing about Martha is that, you know, I've always 111 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: thought that you have made elegance accessible and I think 112 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: you predated sort of this whole notion of nesting and 113 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: of making beautiful things and making a house a home 114 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: and all that. And what what made you realize that 115 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: there was an appetite for that in this country. I 116 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: was brought up by a mother who really took the 117 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: art of homemaking to the next level. She made everything, 118 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: She sewed our clothes, she canned the tomatoes, she made 119 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: a delicious meal three times a day for eight people. 120 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: My mom was, you know, she was a very good 121 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: example to me of wanting to elevate a simple life 122 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: into a good, really good life, healthy life. And we 123 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: were simple. I mean we. I lived in a in 124 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: a three bedroom house on Elm Place in the New 125 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: Jersey which I go back to see sometimes. And people 126 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: almost had a heart attack when I knocked on the 127 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: door the last time, and did you bring them some 128 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: cookies at least? So I just want to I said, 129 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, I used to live here. They said, we 130 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: know you're useful area, and uh, could I please see 131 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: my old bedroom which I shared with my sister Kathy, 132 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: And I would put Kathy on the right hand out 133 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: of the bed, which had the night light where I 134 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: could read. I would make her go to sleep on 135 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: that side to warm the bed because we didn't keep it. 136 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: We kept the house pretty cold and saving fuel all 137 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: that stuff. Um, and so then I would drag her 138 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: to her side of the bed. Before Martha was younger, 139 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: she has not forgiven me, believe me. And I think 140 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people imagine you're like this major wasp, 141 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: and I no. I'm I'm a daughter of two Polish 142 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: American people. They were born here, but my grandparents, all 143 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: four grandparents were born in Poland and they came to 144 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: the United States on ships, and you know, they could 145 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: see the island where they landed right here in New 146 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: York Harbor, and they signed in and two went to Buffalo, 147 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: New York. My grandfather was a trained in My grandfather 148 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: was ski My mother's father was a trained iron monger 149 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: decorative iron work, and uh, and my other my father's 150 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: family all moved to Jersey City. I think about you 151 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: because I know how close you were to your mom, 152 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Big Martha, unbelievably close. And and did she ever come 153 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: on the Today Show with me? You know, I don't know. 154 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: I feel like she might have, but I feel like 155 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: I've met her definitely, And I know you always spoke 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: of her, and it was really she was a really 157 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: great mother, uh, and one of those mothers who had 158 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: six kids and every child was equal, no matter what, 159 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: no matter what the bad things we did, we were 160 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: all equal. And then my parents and that was until 161 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the day she died. We were all equally all around 162 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: her bid when she died. And she died at nine 163 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: four and almost ninety four years old. So she's she 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: had a great life, never sick. She just finally decided 165 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: it was time. How many years ago was that that 166 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: was about, I don't. I don't remember things like years, um, 167 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Do you remember things are years? Well, 168 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: I remember my mom died. I do. My mom died 169 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: three years ago on Labor Day, and and so I 170 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: remember everything, but not. I just I think about my 171 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: mom so much and I miss her so much. So 172 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: I wondered if you felt the same. I miss my 173 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: mother a lot, and I wonder, I wonder, you know, 174 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: what would mother think about this or that? Um, when 175 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm making a delicious meal. She would come over on 176 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: Sunday's pretty much every Sunday, from from Western Connecticut where 177 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: she lived with my sister Laura. She would drive herself 178 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: and then when she got in past ninety, I used 179 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: to sit and send somebody to pick her up. UM, 180 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: and she would come to my house and eat the healthiest, 181 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: delicious lunch. She had a great appetite that she'd take 182 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: a walk with me. Then she'd have a massage. I 183 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: always got my massure over for mom and UM, and 184 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: we'd go to a movie and she'd have a fabulous day. 185 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: And but she was What I really loved about her 186 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: was that egalitarian attitude towards all her her children and 187 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: so even though her daughter was rich and famous, the 188 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: other five kids were were famous justice successful in her eyes. Yeah. 189 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: So it occurred to me as we were preparing for 190 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: this that you know, you were a model early in 191 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: your career. You were a stockbroker for several years and 192 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: you didn't really become quote Martha Stewart until you were 193 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: in your forties. Yeah. I was a late bloomer, which 194 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: is like Julia Child. Actually, that's who it reminded me of. 195 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: I was a late bloomer. And my gynecologist, uh there, 196 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: I don't know he even called me a late bloomer. 197 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: So in what context? Because said that I was a 198 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: late bloomer in terms of my in terms of my 199 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: business life. And isn't that funny that your doctor would 200 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: call you a late bloomer? I thought it was crazy, 201 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: like like my gardener calling me a late bloomer. So 202 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: when your first book came out, well, Martha didn't really 203 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: answer that earlier question though, which is how did you 204 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: know that this was a really potentially huge market for 205 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: what you were saying. After being a stockbroker and and 206 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: working with people's money, I then retired to Westport, and 207 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: I did started looking around for what you were doing, 208 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: a catering business. And I started a catering business with 209 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: a friend called Norma Collier, and she was a famous 210 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: model at the time and she wanted to have a 211 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: business too, So we started this catering business dealing with 212 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: people's appetites other than their and not their pocketbooks, really 213 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: but the same thing. And they were very similar. I mean, 214 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: people could be real nasty or real nice, money or appetite. 215 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: And then Norma had to retire early because she was 216 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: way too hard the work. And I liked the physical labor. 217 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: I liked the building a restaurant every night and then 218 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: breaking it down and cleaning the cards. I mean, believe me, 219 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm a glutton for punishment. I am. I am a worker. 220 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: B I just brought up like that. But um, I 221 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: realized that the art of homemaking really and truly had 222 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: not been celebrated in an appropriate way. And I thought 223 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: of my mother all the time. Here's this fabulous woman 224 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: who was also a very hard worker, but she hadn't 225 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: been celebrated as a homemaker and to be able to 226 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: raise the kids on they were making when my when 227 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: my mother wasn't teaching, my father was working they were 228 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: living on a salary of about eleven thousand a year. 229 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: And this is a long time ago, but still that's 230 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: very little money to manage. That's why the garden was Yeah, 231 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: that's why the garden was so big. That's why the 232 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: clothing was made by hand. The sewing machine was always busy. 233 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: Mom didn't get very many hours of sleep, you know, 234 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing. And we were not poor. We did 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: not consider ourselves poor in any way. So when did 236 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: you realize that this thing you were doing, that homemaking 237 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: and cooking and sewing and gardening, could become a business. 238 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: And well, I started writing books in two And I'm 239 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: sure you have my Entertaining book. I probably, And I 240 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: actually still remember the pretty picture of you on the cover. 241 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: Your hair was long and I think it was maybe 242 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: in a half updo or something, and I had yes, 243 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: And I remember your basket weave um with frosting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 244 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't that in there? Oh yeah, definitely. Well I 245 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: think I read that before I started. I started to 246 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: write books. Because I started, I started to realize that 247 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: my friends were just like me. We all needed some 248 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: encouragement to entertain better. We needed better recipes. That could 249 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: be done that weren't too complicated, and there were no 250 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: at that time, very few illustrated cookbooks, and I, you know, 251 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: I considered myself as crazy, I know, but I considered 252 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: myself kind of a really good cook at the time. 253 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: And so I wrote this book entertaining and my publisher 254 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: I remember saying, if you still ten thousand copies, you 255 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: should be happy. I said, I know twenty five thousand 256 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: people who will buy this book. Because I have been 257 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: catering for a while and I had all South Bees clients. 258 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: I had the museums in New York hired my me 259 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: for my services. I did parties at the Metropolitan Museum 260 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: of Art. How many coffees did it? So it's it's 261 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: way way over a million coffies. So I don't know 262 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: the latest. I should I should know the exact number, 263 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: But you don't wake up in the morning and say, 264 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: let's look and see. I'm sure. I'm sure it's way 265 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: over a million. Because by the way, that was for 266 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: the first of what over a hundred. Well we're up 267 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: to we're up to ninety now, and we just published here. 268 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: This is the right That's what I knew. One called 269 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: slow Cooker which are eighty nine, and then the newly 270 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Way Cookbooks coming out very shortly and that will be 271 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: our And then Martha's Flowers comes out in February. I'm 272 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: excited about that. So does that teach you how to 273 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: arrange flowers? How to grow and arrange? It's growing, enjoying 274 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: and arrange flowers. That's your favorite flower? I like fragrant flowers. 275 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: I like lilacs. Oh, I like tu lips. I like roses, 276 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: like panes. I love piannies, you know, I I love piannies, 277 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like they become everybody's favorite flowers, so 278 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: that makes me not like them. Don't don't feel like that? Now? 279 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: You know what I'm into Martha, Well, obviously hydranges. I 280 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: don't know. My hydranges were on steroids. They needed a bikini. 281 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: This year this was the best year for hydrangees, right, 282 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: apples like apple It was crazy. But I'm really into 283 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: dahlia's right now. Dalis are fabulous. They're so pretty, They're 284 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: so gigantic, like dahlias and zinnias. I think together they're pretty. 285 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: They're pretty. Brian. Yeah, I know, yes, every now and 286 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: then I can surprise you can I ask you, though 287 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: you're so incredibly productive all these books and TV shows 288 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: and magazines, and I read you only need four to 289 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: five hours of sleep per night. Can you walk us 290 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: through a typical Martha day? I mean, what did you 291 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: do today? For example? Today's today's like New York. So 292 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: that's not so interesting. Yesterday was a good day. Okay, Okay, 293 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: so yesterday I have I don't have live in help, 294 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: but I do require that my keeper or keepers. Sometimes 295 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: I have to come in at seven, so I can't 296 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: be in bed at my housekeeper coms. I just don't 297 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: do that. So I get I'm up before they're up, 298 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: and I take um the covers off the bird cages. 299 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: And I have read factory canaries in my house. They're 300 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: beautiful and they're singing. And then I have three cats 301 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: and five dogs in Bedford and where live most of 302 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: the time, I can I commute to New York. I 303 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: read somewhere you have four drivers. Well yeah, but not 304 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: all the same time. No, No, I know, but I have. 305 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: My days are so tight, days are so long, and 306 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: you can only they can only be can't forty hours 307 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: a week and they can't be tired. So that's why 308 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: all right, but um, but Brian is just jealous. But 309 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: all right, so we've we've taken care of the birds. 310 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: So then um, and so then I I make breakfast 311 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: for everybody. So I made the cappuccinos for everybody because 312 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: the eggs come from your chickens. Right, yes, yes, you've mentioned. 313 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: We have salmon for breakfast because some a friend had 314 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: sent me two beautiful big salmon's. A lion caught salmons 315 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: from Alaska last week and I had to eat them. 316 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: So I poached salmon. I'm doing I'm doing a little 317 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: blog on that on how to poach a salmon. And 318 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: it's oh, it's pretty pictures. And so I photographed the 319 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: blog and I make the salmon. No, no, we just 320 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: eat it with lemon juice. It's so tasty. Yeah, like yogurt, cucumbers. 321 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: Nothing for breakfast. That this is breakfast and then for 322 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: lunch and so then so then after that, I and 323 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: my green juice. We have green juice. Every morning. Everybody 324 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: drinks green juice because it's like power. So what do 325 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: you put in your green So it's spinach, celery, parsonally mint, 326 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: maybe a piece of fruit of some sort, like a pear. 327 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: Green pear is good. Um, a piece of melon or 328 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: a piece of papaya or mango, whatever, it's very good juice. 329 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Everybody delicious and we drink that. Then I went on 330 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: a horseback ride, and that was at ten o'clock. I 331 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: was ready for the horseback right after doing getting make 332 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: sure everybody's doing lots of horses and I have six horses. 333 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: Bedford has a has a series of bridle trails about 334 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: three hundred miles, so you can get lost, you can 335 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: have a good time. Does Ralph Lauren live up there? 336 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: To the next tror to me? We like, Hey Ralph, 337 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Martha by Ralph. Um, I'm I'm the farm at to 338 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: Ralph's estate. I'm the farm at Okay, Yes, the mottest 339 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: farm next to Ralph. We have a very nice neighborhood. 340 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: And then, oh, I should have told you then then 341 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you about Friday night afterwards. But and then 342 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: I came back from the horseback ride. I made the lunch, 343 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: so I sautade some onions from the garden, fresh onions 344 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: and some red and yellow peppers, and I made a 345 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: for tata. I'm delicious for Tata, studded with little lots 346 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: of cream, cheese, which I like in for Tata. I 347 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: don't know why, but I just like it. And I 348 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: we had little cheese puffs that were left over from 349 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: Friday night supper, and that was a salad of dark 350 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: red and green lettuce. Then we made fifty gallons of 351 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: apple cider. Or would you bring some of that apple 352 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: cider over here? Fifty gallons of this and you know 353 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: how hard it is to carsh the apples. It's delicious apple. 354 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: Take a sip, it's so good. What kind of apples 355 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: did you use? Who knows? On my property? We must 356 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: have fifty varieties of assis. Delicious i've ever had. We 357 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: compare it to other I think it's really just the 358 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: variety of apples. I think. Um. So we did that, 359 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: and while they were doing that, I shucked and scraped 360 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: the corn off, about maybe sixty ears of corn, and 361 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I sewed and I saw tade all the kernels and 362 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of butter with some some water, and 363 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: then I frowe was I think I froze ten quarts 364 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: of corn kernels. And then I made a great pot 365 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: of from again, there's so many tomatoes. I made a 366 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: great pot of tomato soup, just tomatoes and onions, threw 367 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: them all in this giant pot and cooked and cooked 368 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: and cooked until then I put it through the food 369 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: so you get all the seeds and skins out. I 370 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: think we made eight quarts of tomato soup and relaxing Sunday. 371 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: Then I went, Oh, my friend called Memory. My friend 372 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: Memory called and said, you have to go see this garden. 373 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: It's on the open days and Greenwich Open Days is 374 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: the Garden Conservancy, which is a very fantastic organization. I 375 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: belong to that, and people who belong open their gardens 376 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: to other gardeners. So I went to see Mr Landman's 377 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: garden in Greenwich, which is incredible, fifteen acre garden. Made 378 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: me sick because because if I feel we're happy for him, 379 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: when I when I get jealous. The only time I'm 380 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: ever jealous. It's not envy, it's just jealous. Anyway, his 381 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: garden is so beautiful. Then I went to see my 382 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: friend Memory, who was lying in bed because she has 383 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: a cut on her leg. Who knows. And then I 384 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: left there. I got in a bad mood because she 385 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: was in bed. And then I went home and I 386 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: went We searched for my missing peacocks. Were always missing 387 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: two peacocks. They were out eating with the This is 388 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: a busy day. It is a busy day. It sounds 389 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: it is fun. The peacocks were hanging out with the 390 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: wild turkeys. Now there's a gang of five wild male 391 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: turkeys and my two male peacocks that I allow out 392 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: of their enclosure. Uh, they have kind of befriended the 393 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: wild turkeys. And is there any nookie going on? Peacocks 394 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: a band of boys and uh, so we could tell 395 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: her forever. I mean, you don't know, these are so silly. 396 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: I hope this is not boring to you. Love you love. 397 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: I went to get a massage, I went to get 398 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: the Chinese reeflexology and did something where you I did prove. 399 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Then I went home and I did a little bit 400 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: more cooking. But I had a column do this morning, 401 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: so I had to work on my column on the 402 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: restoration of furniture. So I had to write that. And 403 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: that's that was my day. See that's a Sunday. It's 404 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: time to take a quick break. But when we returned, 405 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Martha about those five months 406 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: she spent in the slammer. It's something she has rarely 407 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: talked about, and we're going to get the scoop on 408 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: her time spent working with Donald Trump. That's right after this. 409 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: These days, if we want to know something, we ask 410 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: Alexa or Siri, but we don't always think about just 411 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: how much AI is shaped by existing information and the 412 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: limitations of the people who build it. On this week's 413 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: episode of the lean And podcast Tilted, they talked to 414 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: experts from M I, T, and Cornell to understand how 415 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: AI leads to unfair decision making and contributes to bias, 416 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: and what we can do about it. You won't want 417 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: to miss it. Tilted features intimate conversations with some of 418 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: the world's most powerful women in Hollywood and politics, sports, 419 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: and business. It's hosted by lean And co founder and 420 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: president Rachel Thomas, and every week they explored the gender 421 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: bias that lurks in unexpected places and the impact it 422 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: has on our everyday lives. Listen and subscribe to Tilted 423 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: from lean In on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever you 424 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. And now back to our conversation with 425 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: the one and only Martha Stewart. After your release from prison, 426 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: you did Martha Stewart the Apprentice or the Apprentice Martha 427 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: Stewart and this office. It was right here in this office. 428 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: We built their bedrooms, here, their kitchens. The whole thing 429 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: was the most monstrous production you have ever seen. And 430 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was the executive producer of it. Well, yes 431 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: one with Mark Barnett. And Mark Burnett promised me when 432 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: I agreed to do it, that I would fire Donald 433 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: at the end of my show, that Donald were going 434 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: to replace him. Yes, and Donald did not want to 435 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: be replaced by the time president. I know, he maligned 436 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: my show so badly. He was nasty. Well know, who 437 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: knows why he wanted he wanted to stay on TV. 438 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: He had he had, you know, he drank the kool 439 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: aid and he loved it so much. I show did 440 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: really well in Europe, and it did really well in Japan. 441 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: But um, but the ratings in America were not as 442 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: good as Donald's ratings. But I was as outrageous as 443 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: Donald either. I think people like outrage and um, as 444 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, after this whole year, um and so so. 445 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: But he but we remained uh on some semi cordial 446 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: And what did you learn about him from working with him? Well, 447 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: he had very little to do with my show. What 448 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: did you learn about him from what he said about 449 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: you around? I was not happy. And my daughter. He 450 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: said nasty things about my daughter and she was on 451 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: the radio at the time he was, and she was 452 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: on The Apprentice for a little bit and I did 453 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: not like that, and none of us did, and it 454 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: was not nice. I would never say anything untoward of 455 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: his about his children. You don't talk about people's children, 456 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: but he does. How do you think he's doing as president? 457 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Do we have to really get there? I was not. 458 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: I was not. I'm not happy at the state of 459 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: things at all. You were a big Hillary Clinton supporter. 460 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: And I saw her in the histtempt and she was 461 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: walking on Loui Pan Lane the other day, really, and 462 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: I was walking my dogs and she I bumped into. 463 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: I saw the black van's first and I thought, oh God, 464 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: who's coming? And it was Hillary. She know she was 465 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: with a friend, Liz Robbins, and we talked for quite 466 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: a while standing there in the middle of the street, 467 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: and uh, and she looked well and she me her 468 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: book was just about to be released. It was right, 469 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: I guess it was a week before her book came out, 470 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: and um, so I haven't read it. Yet. But um, 471 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: but she has to speak out, she has to say 472 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: what she said. And uh, and you know it's a 473 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: it's too bad. She's really damned if she does. Damned 474 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: if she does. And I mean I've been, I've been, 475 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: I guess not surprised, but it's still I'm always taken 476 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: aback at the vitriol and hatred that is directed at her. 477 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: I think people still are not comfortable. Not all, not 478 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: all people, but many people are still uncomfortable with the 479 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: notion of a woman in power very much. So. I'm 480 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: sure you've dealt with that, oh of course. But um 481 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: but I'm strong enough to sort of brush it off. 482 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: And when you're running for president, it's pretty hard just 483 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: to brush it off. Although I probably would have behaved 484 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: a lot differently than Hillary did on those debate stages, 485 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: what would you have done? I told him to get lost. 486 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, she she was calling her names and she 487 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: wasn't calling him names. Call him some names. Really, I 488 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: don't know her decorum did not she didn't. I don't 489 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: think people have to be so decorous to ugly people. 490 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: What's the what's the old line about you get into 491 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: a mud pit with a pig and the pig is 492 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: gonna win. Let me ask you the one thing uh 493 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: many questions we had, Martha, is and I don't think 494 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: you've talked about it that much. Is you know. I 495 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: look at you and everything you've accomplished, and then you 496 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: had this moment in your life when you were in prison, 497 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: and I imagine in my mind's eye what that was. 498 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: I went to Yale for five months. I read a lot, 499 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. And what was that like for 500 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: you mean? Was that sort of like? It was horrifying? 501 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: It was horrifying, and no one, no one should have 502 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: to go through that kind of indignity, really except for murderers, 503 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: and and you know there are a few other categories, 504 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: but no one should have to go through that. It's 505 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: a very very awful thing. Having said that, I mean, 506 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: was it a growth experience in any way? I know 507 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: that you would read out to a lot of the 508 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: other women, you can make lemons out of lemonade, and 509 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: what what what hurts you makes you stronger? No, none 510 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: of those adages fit at all. It's a horrible experience. 511 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: Nothing is good about it. Nothing was so horrible about it, 512 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: being taken away from your family, being maligned, being treated 513 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: the way you were treated. It's horrible, um, and especially 514 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: when one does not feel one deserves such a thing. 515 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I was not a bad person. Well, I 516 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are under the misconception that 517 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: you were convicted of insider trading. You were, you were not. 518 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't even accused of insider trading. But I don't 519 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: want to get into that either. I mean, it's just 520 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: like like, And one thing I do not ever want 521 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: is to be identified or I don't want that to 522 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: be the major thing of my life. It's just not 523 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: it's just not fair. But um, but it's not a 524 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: good experience and it doesn't make you stronger. I was 525 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: a strong person to start with, and thank Heavens, I was, 526 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: and I can still hold my head up high and 527 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: know that I'm fine. Did you get to know any 528 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: of your fellow inmates and what was that like? I 529 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: know you helped them with certain things, and did you 530 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: become friendly with them? Um? No, I'm not really friendly. 531 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. As much as I've tried. I've 532 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: tried to help certain of them. Um. There are lots 533 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: and lots of odd stories and disturbing things that go 534 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: on in a in a incarceration like that, even a 535 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: minimum security, well you couldn't walk in minimum security. Still 536 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: couldn't walk out the gate, you know, across the river. Um, 537 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: it was Um, they're still guards and they're still it's 538 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: still nasty and it's still but but that's that's America 539 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: has so many people in prison. You go to Finland 540 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and there's about I think there's like a hundred people 541 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 1: in prison in Finland or some tiny number. Uh. They 542 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: don't believe in in that kind of incarceration. Uh, And 543 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't think we should have the numbers of people 544 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: in prison. And the most of the women that were 545 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: in this in this institution were there because of the 546 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: New York state drug laws. And now we have legalized 547 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: marijuana in seven states. I think it is Uh, that's incredible. 548 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: And those and people who had a few ounces of 549 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: marijuana on them and are in there for twenty years, 550 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense to some of those people 551 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: get to be released as as a result. I know 552 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: that there was a movement with President Obama to change 553 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: sort of minimum mandatory. Not much was done, not not 554 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: enough was done. So on a happier note, you've had 555 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: this friendship with Snoop Dogg. But I think his uh 556 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: surprised and delighted some of your some of your fans 557 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: more just surprised others of your people. People seem to 558 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: really like our public dinner party. Yeah, no, there of 559 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: course there's a double. I was drink sarcastic. That was 560 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: my name. I came up with that name. He did 561 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: just very how you get to know each other. The 562 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: green we had, the green meal, We had all kinds 563 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: of stuff, funny names. Well, he was on my show 564 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and he was always just a 565 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: pleasant guest and fun and made people and and the 566 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: response was always good. Did you get a contact high 567 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: from the green room after he came not in New York? 568 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't partaken and anything. He was on 569 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: my my show once and honestly, I opened the door 570 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: and it was like one of those cartoons where this 571 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: smoke just billowed down. I think, I think, I don't. 572 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: I think that's probably why he doesn't come to New 573 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: York very much, because he's not free to just that's true. 574 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: This was in California. Oh, no, California. Oh and then 575 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: um and then you go to then um we did 576 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: the Justin Bieber roast together and that was that, which 577 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: is hilarious for anybody. It was. It was hilarious. And 578 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: there I did get a contact high sitting next to 579 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: him for four hours on the stage. Oh you couldn't 580 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: help it. I mean he had these you know, he 581 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: was smoking for four hours right next to us. Oh yeah, 582 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: soun doing the show with him. Yeah, it really is 583 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: fun and it's um I call it a melding of cultures. 584 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 1: I mean, here's Compton and Nutley probably not so probably 585 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: not so different. Way down under. I met his mother. 586 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: He brought his mother to the show. She's a lovely lady, 587 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: very intelligent, very well spoken. He had other family members there. 588 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of an interesting situation. And 589 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: then we have these great guests and we cook and 590 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: he's a fun cook. He and he is his uncle Rio, 591 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: who is this jovial, very fancily dressed on gentlemen who 592 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: wears very jazzy clothes, you know, spats and gold suits 593 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: and whatever and hats and anyway, Uncle Rio kind of 594 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: creates all the recipes for Snoop and my my straight 595 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: laced team of Thomas, Joseph and uh and the rest 596 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: of the kitchen here, they're they're all like but it's fun. 597 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's fun. I think what's so great about you? 598 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: You you're always reinventing yourself. You're always Change is good. 599 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: That's one of my mottos. Change is good. And when 600 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: you're through changing, you're through in my book. So and 601 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: you've done that, You've changed, You've changed so nicely and evolved. 602 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: And I've tried. But you do, you do, You're you're 603 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: You're prettier now than you were when I first met you, 604 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: by the way, And I think it's because I had 605 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: such a fat face when I was younger, and aging 606 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: makes you kind of hollow out a little bit. But 607 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: I had enough excess that I don't look on You're 608 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: not now look normal, right, you look great? And so 609 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: I think all of that is uh is good and 610 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: um and it's been it's been interesting to also challenge myself. 611 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to go on stage with Jamie 612 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: Foxx and um Puff Daddy or PGD or whatever his 613 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: name is now and uh us sure and all those 614 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: guys and and uh a little YACHTI And it's extraordinary 615 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: the talent that comes on our show really amazing tallenge. Yeah, 616 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: that's fun. And meanwhile, Um, as a business person, I'm curious, 617 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: as a hugely successful woman in business, what do you 618 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: think are the most important lessons you've learned along the way, 619 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: Because I don't know. I'm at the point in my 620 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: career that I want to mentor more young women and 621 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: so what would you tell them? Well, it's um, it's 622 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: all about having ideas, having energy to grow those ideas 623 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: into something UM, and having the wherewithal, whether it be 624 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: personal or borrowed or education, to build something of lasting value. 625 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: And I think just my library books is of lasting value. 626 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: Many of the other things that I've done also I 627 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: think will have a lasting value. Building a brand is interesting, 628 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: but it's unless it's a really good brand and has 629 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: a wide audience. Uh. What the heck. I'm not a 630 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: Bill Gates. I didn't I didn't invent software. I wish 631 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: I had. But in the meantime, I utilize what's available 632 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: and and learning how to use what's new and different 633 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: has made a big difference in my business. And I 634 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: think learning you know, when I started my business, the 635 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: internet was a baby, uh, and but I had a computer. 636 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: I learned how to use that computer. I learned how 637 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: to to to write and and uh and use the 638 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: internet to do research, to do all of the things. 639 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: Now social media is another challenge for all of us. 640 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: How do we how do we maneuver and uh and 641 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: uh and negotiate social media to make a difference without 642 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: wasting a tremendous amount of time doing so. So a 643 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: lot of always opened to open to new ideas and 644 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,479 Speaker 1: to and to I was I'm one of the early 645 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: adopters of the computer. Believe it or not. I mean, 646 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? But I am. And two, I got 647 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: my first computer. When did you get your computer? Are 648 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: you born yet? I was when I was just born. 649 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: When did I get my first computer? I think it 650 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: was in the late eighties at some point. I got 651 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: my drink in the early nineties. Well when I oh, no, yeah, 652 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: I think in the early or even late eighties. When 653 00:37:53,160 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: I was broadcasting, wasn't using computers in we We were 654 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 1: the first magazine to design on an Apple. And that's 655 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: why I wanted you. I wanted to make sure that 656 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: we were doing it in the new and different way. 657 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: It was no cutting and pasting on big tables. So 658 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: it's a it's that so making use of what's available 659 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: currently avail was very important to me. My dad used 660 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: to say that you really had to stay on top 661 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: of this ever changing world. And I think now more 662 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: than ever, it's a good thing. As you would say. Martha, 663 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: by the way, do you remember when I gave you 664 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: the Matrix Award? So I you know, I worked so 665 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: hard on this poem and I have to just repeat 666 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 1: the first in communications, and Martha was, of course so deserving. 667 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: I remembered. I was terrified because the Dais was full 668 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: of very impressive women that year. Of course you and 669 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: then what BEI Goldberg? And I think Amy tan and 670 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: and Richards and all these people, but I was what 671 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: went before me, and I was like, oh, I'm I'm 672 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: screwed because she's so funny and relax acts and I 673 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: was a nervous wreck. But I had worked really hard 674 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: on a poem for Martha and it went like this, Martha, 675 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: Dear Martha, what should I do? These people have asked 676 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: me to introduce you. I haven't eaten, I haven't slept. 677 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: Talk about making a girl fill in at anything I 678 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: can do? You can do better dipping a candle, knitting 679 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: a sweater. A room needs repainting, you'll make it, saying 680 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: with Robin's egg blue because it's a good thing. And 681 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: only a woman who's in your position makes a gingerbread house. 682 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: This air condition tartar ta, Marzi pad coco, vant to 683 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: bruschetta panchetta is not all you can do. Your holiday 684 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: meals are a feast for the eyes. Why can't you 685 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: use stovetop and Mrs Niss pies? Anyway, went on and 686 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: on anyway, why hard? Well, you know what I think what. 687 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: I worked so hard on this and it was so 688 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: much fun to do, and I was so honored to 689 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: be asked to present it to you. Um. So that's 690 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,439 Speaker 1: one of my my favorite poems because my dad said 691 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: I write. My dad used to say I write a girl, 692 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: not poetry. Um. By the way, before we go, we 693 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: have a listener voicemail question. We have a listener who 694 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: called in with a question for Martha. Okay, I am 695 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: calling from St. Pete, Florida, where I'm reading Martha Stewart 696 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: Living by the Light of a Lantern because I'm still 697 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: without power. But I've always been curious about whether or 698 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: not Martha Stewart has ever done something she shouldn't have 699 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: done like stood up on a chair instead of a ladder, 700 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: or didn't we have the safety glasses she was supposed 701 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: to do. She's trying to us all how to do 702 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: things right, But I'm just wondering about where she's made 703 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: some goofs that taught her a lesson. Well, but oh 704 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: my gosh, that's a good one. That's your biggest screw up. 705 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: My biggest screw up was riding under the branch of 706 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: a tree on my giant horse and getting knocked off 707 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: because I thought I could bend backwards under it. That 708 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: was a stupid thing because then I broke my arm. 709 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: But were there any other things where? Well, now, when 710 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: she says standing on a chair and set of ladder, um, 711 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: I would never do that because I have taught everyone. 712 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as as an employer of people, 713 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: you have to teach good lessons. So I'm very strict 714 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: about having a ladder available in most places, so that 715 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: if you have to reach a high shelf, you step 716 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: on a ladder. Um in the garden there they must 717 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: wear their ear muffs when they're using loud machinery. Uh, 718 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: they have to have safety lessons for chain saws because 719 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: I know how I know how to use chain sauce. 720 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I really do practice good healthy living well 721 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: or either that or your control free. No, no, no, 722 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: I practice safety for safety. Well, no I'm not. I mean, 723 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a nut nudge about it, but I'm serious 724 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: about it. But you're so um, You're so good at everything. 725 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: It's And I gave a big gift to the emergency 726 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: room both in Westport and in and in Mount Kisco, 727 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: just in case, just in case. They're they're always taken 728 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: care of. But what is the biggest Have you ever 729 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: screwed something up terribly? Please tell me you have? Like, 730 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: what is the biggest thing? You messed my marriage by 731 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: being a caterer? Really? Probably? Do you know? I think 732 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: about thinking that I was attractive enough or something like that. 733 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 1: I I see you at some social events, are passed 734 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: across on a number of occasions, and you never remarried. 735 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: I have not, Um are you? Are you sorry? I 736 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: could have married the next guy or the next guy, 737 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I'm not. I'm not unhappy about that. 738 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: I don't. And now when I see some of my 739 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: friends with her husbands, and I'm so happy that are 740 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: they are they unhappy and that makes you happy that 741 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: you're not unhappy? Or do you just feel like who 742 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: needs it out? None of the above. When Mr Wright 743 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 1: comes along, I'll Maria, are you still open to dating? 744 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: How do you have some of my branch women? You 745 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: are and you're beautiful? How does somebody do you go 746 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: to match? Do you go on match dot com? Or 747 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: I think you went on for today's show. Can you 748 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: imagine the algorithm just doesn't fit me, It doesn't know. 749 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: Maybe you could go on Farmers dot com. Maybe that 750 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: might be a match made in heaven, Martha. They could 751 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: help you with your card my farm. I don't I 752 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: don't want I want I want them. I don't want 753 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: them to help me with my farm. I want not 754 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: going to be hoping on Farmers dot com. That sorry 755 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: O'Brien to talk about your new cookbook before we go, 756 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: because it's your eighty nine Martha Cooker. We laugh because 757 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: in the intro you said you'd never really used a 758 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,479 Speaker 1: slow cooker before, but you knew that they were really 759 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: popular and they are now. Isn't this what people used 760 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: to call a crock pot? Yeah, this is the evolution 761 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: of a croc pot and um, and it is so good. 762 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: The food is so delicious. And this book we we 763 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: set out with no holds barred and no preconceptions, because 764 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: it's not just dump a bunch of meat and vegetables 765 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: in a pot and add some water and turn it 766 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: on like cream and mushroom soup. No, no, it isn't 767 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: any of that. So you can make savory, you can 768 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: make sweet, you can make cinnamon buns, you can make 769 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: apple crisp, and made apple crisp from start. Some of that. 770 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: Our producer Gianna is standing next to the everything. I 771 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 1: don't think, Brian, I don't know. No, I'm not coming 772 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: it now. It's okay. You can share it with me, yea. Anyway, 773 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: so you had did you have fun making this? This 774 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: cookbook as usual? So much fun. I mean, I'm excited 775 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: because I have to walk a few miles a day 776 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: back and forth from the kitchens here. This is a 777 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: block long and long block, eleventh to the twelfth avenue. 778 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: But to eat all this food here, give that to 779 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: Katie's apple crisp. And I just picked an apple for 780 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: something to do with my Brian, take a taste. Okay, 781 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: that is so good and it's the apples. See fresh apples. 782 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: The apples are delicious. You guys have some too. There's 783 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: a whole crocutch after the cranberries in it. As. This 784 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: is the best interview we've ever done. I know, I 785 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: know this, and no one else made us. Uh these 786 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: really delicious crampled eggs that were so slowly with truffle 787 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: butter and a brioche toast. Yeah. When I brought my 788 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: house in East Hampton, I know what had still had 789 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: the barefoot canto as the shop in town. And we 790 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: became friends and I started her TV show. Did you 791 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: know that? I imagine she said that you were. She 792 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: forgot that I started her television. Actually, I think she 793 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: did mention that. Martha. She said that you wrote the 794 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: introduction to her first cookbook and you were enormously helpful 795 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,919 Speaker 1: to her. So we have a lightning round. Okay, Yeah, 796 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,399 Speaker 1: but I was going to ask Martha about what IMUS said, 797 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: how she couldn't understand if somebody who didn't cook why 798 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,479 Speaker 1: they would watch her show. But Brian and I were saying, 799 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: we love to watch cooking shows because even if we're 800 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: not cooking, whatever is being made, you learn and they're 801 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: so relaxing there's something that they're kind of hypnotic in 802 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: a way. Eat. Yeah, you get hungry? These apples are 803 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: They are delicious? This whole thing is super yummy. All right, 804 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: well I eat, Brian. Why don't you start the lightning 805 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: round car. You're making a simple dinner at home just 806 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: for you? What are you cooking? Well? Because I have 807 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: so many eggs, Um, I will oftentimes make something out 808 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: of the eggs. But I will also just bake a 809 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: fresh potato that's just freshly dug. I love baked potatoes 810 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: and um um, just just butter and sour cream or 811 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: crime fresh so good um, and lots of chopped herbs. Um. 812 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: I will um cook a whole head of cauliflour or 813 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: broccoli because I love that too. I'm healthy. Yeah. And 814 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: what do you put on the cauliflower or Broncoli? Oh, 815 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: just cooking and salted water, heavily salted water, and maybe 816 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: a dab of butter. Are there any recipes you hate making? Anything? 817 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,439 Speaker 1: You hate cooking? I won't do it. Why why many food? 818 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: You hate brains? I won't eat brains. I don't that's wait. 819 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: Breads are destines. They're finest glance or something I don't know. 820 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: They're nasty, that's all. I have to say that. In 821 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: shad Row, which my dad used to I know, but 822 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: the eggs are so big and it's in this millions 823 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 1: of little eggs inside the sacks. You're eating the sack 824 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: of eggs. Okay, what's your biggest strength and your biggest weakness? Um? 825 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: I think my biggest strength is my curiosity, and probably 826 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: my biggest weakness is also my career because you want 827 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: to do too many things. Yeah? Probably? Um. Do you 828 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: think marijuana should be legal? Um? Yeah, I think so. 829 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: I think so, but I worry about but it should 830 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: be controlled by parents because I just think that, you know, 831 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 1: there's too much in Denver. I'm understanding that that school 832 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: children are are partaking too much and it's hurting their studies. 833 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like anything that interferes with growing 834 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: up in a healthy, vibrant and iron men. I agree. 835 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: I feel like you don't. Why do you? I mean, 836 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: I understand would all train drugs, but you know, because 837 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 1: what does the child need that for? I don't understand 838 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: having sort of this artificial Why worry about all the 839 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: prescription drugs that kids are getting in school? As well 840 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: like little in adderall and all of that. Anyway, we 841 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: have a listener question that's very quick, the longest podcast 842 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: I ever did, the math Stewart. What is the best 843 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 1: way to cook pork chops? I want to know? Thank you? Um, well, 844 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: I think pork chops should be. Um, you could bread 845 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: them if you want, but I just I just dredge 846 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: them in in a salty, peppery flower and then I 847 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: just cook them lightly in a little olive oil and 848 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 1: a little bit of butter until they are pretty much done, 849 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: and then I squeeze fresh oranges over them and let 850 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: the juices sort of caramelize. They're the because it's hard 851 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: to make a juicy pork shop. Yeah, but that's that's 852 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: the best way to something my mom was never able 853 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 1: to do. I'll tell you that. Don't broil them, yeah, 854 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 1: because they get dried out. What's your favorite thing to 855 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 1: do with your grandkids? Oh? Explore? I mean these kids 856 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: are such explorers. So how old now Martha five and six? 857 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: But they are great travelers. And we went to the 858 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: Galapagos already, we bunch of Botswana, We go to Maine. 859 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: They're climbing rock walls now. Um, they the boys, a 860 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: girl and a boy. Girl and a boy, and they're 861 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: they're very very fun to be with. And how's your daughter? 862 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: Alexis is great, she's a very good mother. And these 863 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: children are the result of close attention. Now we talked 864 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,800 Speaker 1: about reinventing. So as we bring this to a close, 865 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: what would you like to do, Martha that you haven't 866 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,240 Speaker 1: done yet? Like, would you like to be in Martha 867 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:58,360 Speaker 1: the Musical? I mean actually like to do that. Actually, no, 868 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: actually that would be a music. Um, I'm wanna be 869 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I have I have some business kind of 870 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: things to give us a little hint. Well, I've been 871 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,879 Speaker 1: working on an organizer for for the homemaker and I'm 872 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: going to build that. Always fun to see what Martha 873 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: does next. Mary, thank you. That was really yummy. If 874 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: you're going to produce for sure, well that was very delicious. 875 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: And your new cookbook is called slow Cooker, and I'm 876 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,320 Speaker 1: excited to have one. And I guess I'm gonna have 877 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: to buy a slow cooker now. Thank you, Martha, thank 878 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: you Katie. Thank you brilliant, and I'm glad you came 879 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,919 Speaker 1: to my office. Thank you for having us, and thank 880 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: you for making apple cider and Apple, Chris the Cappuccino. 881 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,760 Speaker 1: A big thanksgiving thank you to Gianna Palmer and Emily Beena, 882 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: who produced the original version of this interview with Martha. 883 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: Emma Morgenstern as our producer, Nor Richie is the associate producer, 884 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: and Jared O'Connell is our audio engineer. Now I don't 885 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: have quite the staff that Martha has, but I do 886 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of great people I work with, including 887 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 1: Beth Demas, my tireless assistant, and Julia Lewis, who helps 888 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,360 Speaker 1: me make my social media much more entertaining. Jared Arnold 889 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: composed our theme music. I'm on Twitter at Goldsmith b 890 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: and Katie is everywhere everywhere on the social media stratosphere 891 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: as Katie Kirk. If you have questions or comments for us, 892 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: please call and leave us a voicemail. The number is 893 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: nine to nine, two to four, four six three seven. 894 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with a very exciting episode. 895 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman come to Mama. Matt buy and Jay Carson 896 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: two of my other favorite people. They'll all be talking 897 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: about their new movie. Did that sound sincere? I do 898 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: really like Matt and j I'm not kidding, all kidding 899 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: aside I think they're both great and super smart. But 900 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: they're all going to be here to talk about this 901 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: new movie called The front Runner. And Brian, as you know, 902 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: this in many ways illustrates the moment when the media 903 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: decided that it was fair game to talk about the 904 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: personal lives of presidential candidates, and this candidate, of course, 905 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: with Senator Gary Hart back in seven. We hope you listen. 906 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 1: We really enjoyed talking to the three of them. Okay, 907 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 1: they were great, So we'll talk to you all next time, 908 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:38,359 Speaker 1: and hope you have a great Thanksgiving Stitcher, what else 909 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,760 Speaker 1: is going on? Brian, um do a little words with friends. 910 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: Get me warmed up? Hello, Dead Beats, It's Gabby. Gabby Done, 911 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: host of Bad with Money. I had the Bad with 912 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: Money book come out in January. I'm super stoked for 913 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: season four. This season, we're going back to our roots 914 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: and I'm having long conversations with amazing people and getting 915 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: the big picture about money and the economy. Do you 916 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: like intersectional, queer, social justice based money podcasts? This is 917 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: the only one, so get into it. Did you earn it? 918 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: You deserve to be like a billionaire when somebody who's 919 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,800 Speaker 1: working as a janitor or working in Walmart. Or teacher 920 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: or a teacher, yeah, certainly, or a teacher who may 921 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: be working just as many hours as you, may be 922 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 1: just as smart as you like. Does that make it 923 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 1: okay that you have so much? I get paid once 924 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: a month, so my my check accounts huge. It's like 925 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,800 Speaker 1: a tidal wave comes in and then on the second 926 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: it's empty again. Oh my god, speaking my language. Bad 927 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: with Money is back now for season four. Listen in Stitch, 928 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 1: your Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.