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Speaker 2: Stocks tied to psychedelic therapeutics jumping today in a big
Speaker 2: way after President Donald Trump's executive order aimed at faster
Speaker 2: research and access to once taboo treatments. The new order
Speaker 2: directs the FDA to lean on a so called breakthrough
Speaker 2: designation to cut down their review times to one to
Speaker 2: two months. Previously that was six to ten months. I'm
Speaker 2: pleased to say that we're joined live now by FDA
Speaker 2: Commissioner Marty McCarey. Great to have you with us, and
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about you know, why this research,
Speaker 2: Why prioritize it now, because I mean some of the
Speaker 2: issues that we're talking about, these are things that have
Speaker 2: been discussed for years. So bring us to this moment.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a historic moment in American medicine. Fifty
Speaker 3: million dollars is going to be allocated into this type
Speaker 3: of research. We've seen some preliminary data that is promising.
Speaker 3: That is remission rates of thirty to forty percent for
Speaker 3: PTSD conditions where there's otherwise no good treatment. We've also
Speaker 3: heard dramatic stories of veterans having a profound benefit, and
Speaker 3: those individual stories are a form of data too, that
Speaker 3: is scientific data. We just need to see all of
Speaker 3: it together and assure safety and efficacy. The applications around
Speaker 3: these products are now getting to the point where they're
Speaker 3: mature enough where the applications are about to arrive here
Speaker 3: at the FDA, So we are issuing three National Priority
Speaker 3: vouchers to get a decision out in one to two
Speaker 3: months instead of the typical year, in addition to the
Speaker 3: research funding and a new pathway so that it will
Speaker 3: not be considered a controlled substance at the time of
Speaker 3: administration in a controlled medical setting. I think this has
Speaker 3: been an issue where for a long time there's been
Speaker 3: some good preliminary data. We now have to take a
Speaker 3: hard look at that data, and for those suffering with
Speaker 3: PTSD and other debilitating addictions, we owe it to them
Speaker 3: to get those decisions out quickly.
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of focus here on ibogain,
Speaker 2: which is I understand it is a psychedelic compound that's
Speaker 2: extracted from an African plant. And when it comes to
Speaker 2: the FDA that new guidance that you were directed to
Speaker 2: give to researchers to study ibogain, do you expect that
Speaker 2: the US is going to reclassify ibogain and other psychedelic
Speaker 2: controlled substances to make it easier to study them. And
Speaker 2: if so, is there any sort of timeline you can give.
Speaker 3: Us, Well, not only do we allocate funding to study
Speaker 3: drugs like ibogain, but also created a pathway so that
Speaker 3: normally when there's an FDA approval, there's a temporary rescheduling
Speaker 3: to enable clinicians to use it. That we have that
Speaker 3: with fentanyl and a number of drugs that are used
Speaker 3: in the operating room in America every day. So that
Speaker 3: is our normal process. We want it to be expeditious.
Speaker 3: We don't want red tape to slow this down, and
Speaker 3: that's because the stories that we're hearing are pretty amazing stories.
Speaker 3: Now we need to do the proper phase three clinical
Speaker 3: trials because if we recommend these treatments as a physician
Speaker 3: community to patients, they want to know what the numbers are.
Speaker 3: There are side effects, people have died from these medications.
Speaker 3: But on Saturday, with President Trump, I did announce the
Speaker 3: first ever clearance of an Investigational new drug registration for
Speaker 3: nor i BEGAIN, a form of i BEGAIN for first
Speaker 3: in human trials that'll pave the way for the proper
Speaker 3: clinical studies to be done.
Speaker 4: I am curious about some of the studies that have
Speaker 4: already been done on some of these compounds. Of course,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of controversy a few years ago
Speaker 4: when the FDA rejected I think was an application for
Speaker 4: basically MDMA or what we would call MDMA, and the
Speaker 4: idea there was that despite whatever evidence the trials showed
Speaker 4: about the benefit, there was some concern about safety. What's
Speaker 4: changed since that rejection in twenty twenty four and where
Speaker 4: we are today.
Speaker 3: Well, that company has gone back and done an audit.
Speaker 3: If that company submits the results of their audit for
Speaker 3: the protocol violation that was cited in the rejection about
Speaker 3: two years ago before I was leading the FDA, then
Speaker 3: that'll be considered in due process. But there are side
Speaker 3: effects that require that there are conditions that are strictly
Speaker 3: followed to administer these medications. For example, patients can become
Speaker 3: highly amorous. There needs to be close supervision, not just
Speaker 3: in a one on one setting, and we want to
Speaker 3: make sure that there's adequate time to monitor patients if
Speaker 3: they have cardiovascular complications which have been well described with
Speaker 3: substances like I begain now. I began as the least
Speaker 3: mature of all the studies that are done in the
Speaker 3: United States. We have applications that are coming for other
Speaker 3: psychedelics and they should be arriving this summer. Some of
Speaker 3: those will get the priority voucher approval. But given the
Speaker 3: degree of urgency around this problem, remember eighty nine percent
Speaker 3: of vests with PTS are just getting antidepressants with SRSRIS,
Speaker 3: it is very low effectiveness. It's not working well. We
Speaker 3: can do better, so we owe it to them to
Speaker 3: get decisions out quickly.
Speaker 4: All Marty, I do before we let you go, I
Speaker 4: do have to just ask you about some of the
Speaker 4: other things going on at the FDA, particularly with regards
Speaker 4: to the recent departure here of the head of the
Speaker 4: vaccine program. Are you any closer to fining a replacement
Speaker 4: for him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the vaccine program lives within our Center for Biologics.
Speaker 3: The head of the Center for Biologics was on a
Speaker 3: sabbatical leave of absence from a university. He said at
Speaker 3: the end of the month he will be going back
Speaker 3: to the university. We have a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are interested in that job. A very robust search, and
Speaker 3: I expect an announcement soon. There are some outstanding candidates.
Speaker 3: A lot of people want to work at the FDA.
Speaker 3: We're hiring about three thousand scientists and inspectors at the FDA,
Speaker 3: so we are growing and it's a great time to
Speaker 3: be working at the FDA.
Speaker 4: All right, Marty, really appreciate you taking time for US
Speaker 4: FDA Commissioner Marty McKay there on the heels on that
Speaker 4: executive order by the President of the United States Katie Gretfeld,
Speaker 4: effectively paving the way potentially here for the first approval
Speaker 4: of a psychedelic here in the United States. Yea.
Speaker 2: And it's been fascinating to watch the reaction in these stocks.
Speaker 2: I mean, for a lot of these companies, they're very,
Speaker 2: very small. We're talking about some of the smallest of
Speaker 2: small calves. But it's very similar to what we've seen
Speaker 2: with marijuana stocks over the year. I mean, they just
Speaker 2: trade over regulatory headlines and you know, it's a very
Speaker 2: boom or bust, it feels like, and certainly, at least
Speaker 2: for today, a boom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely a boom. We'll see how long it lasts.
Speaker 4: And of course you have to get to the point
Speaker 4: where you get through these trials and actually get some
Speaker 4: sort of approval, And who is actually going to benefit
Speaker 4: from that