1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, and this week on the show, I'm joined 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: by Tony Peterson to break down the good, the bad, 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: and the ugly of our hunting seasons and everything that 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: we and hopefully you can learn from those experiences. All right, 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: by First Light. And today we're having something that, I, 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, I am calling a 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: white tail therapy session. I'm just imagining like stepping foot 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: into and I've actually never been to a therapy session, 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: so I don't know if this is actually how it goes, 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: but from the TV version of things, I'm imagining like 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm stepping into an office and there's this kind of 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: cushy couch in the corner, and I'm being told to 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: go sit on that couch. And then there's this really 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: nice older lady with spectacles sitting in an office chair 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: across from me, and I've envisioning that person is Tony 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: Peterson today. Um so, so Tony, you can be my 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: very nice, elderly therapist who is going to sit in 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: the office chair and look at me while kind of 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: drumming your fingers together underneath your chin. And I'm gonna 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: lay on the couch and then we can flip the 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: rolls and I can be that person. You can lay 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: on the couch and we can talk about the hunting season. 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I kind of want to just just like dissect it 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: because we haven't really got to do that together at 29 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: all since the season started. Maybe we had a little chance. 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess we talked about the one we can November hunt. Um, 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: but you know, past longtime listeners would know that. In 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: past seasons, you know, me and Dan would be on 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: here every week talking about what happened last weekend or 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: what happened last week? What you do right? What did 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: you do wrong? What'd you learn? How just screw it up? 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: What did you do? What would you do differently? All 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: those kinds of things, And I kind of walked through 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: the year folks could kind of learn along with me. 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: And this year we didn't get as much of a 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: chance to do that. I haven't really been able to 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: dive into everything. Um. Now, I know you have been 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: able to do some podcasts, especially in foundations where you've 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: kind of shared some of these anecdotes throughout the year two. 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: I really liked that episode you did Tony, I don't know, 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago, just after the New year 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: broke and kind of talking about, you know, thinking about 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: your past year and what you can learn from it. 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: I kind of want to take what you were talking 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: about and do it ourselves here for everyone to listen to. 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Um see if you are making learn something or figure 51 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: something out, or if nothing else, get some ship off 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: our chests. And uh maybe that could be helpful for 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: other people too. So that's my idea. Uh uh, what 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: do you think about him? I love it. And this 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: probably doesn't come as much of a surprise to you, 56 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: but I actually have been to therapy, so maybe I 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: can help you out a little bit. Mark, Yeah was 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: my description on or was I missing anything? Well? Instead 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: of I would take the old elderly lady h and 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: I would replace him with a younger, uh younger kind 61 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: of smallish guy who likes sweater fests. As a totally 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: non random example, I guess yeah, you've guessed the specifics 63 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: to point to, Like, have you ever watched the show 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: Ted Lasso? Oh? My god. My wife and I are 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: watching ted Lasso right now and we're on season two 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: and it is the best. It is the best, great, 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: great show. And so I'm also thinking of the the 68 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: sports therapist from that season of the show and and her, 69 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, her role in the show and all the 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: different people interacting with her was was interesting. Um so 71 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: what's her name? Do you remember her name? Um? I 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: just watched an episode last night with her in it. Man, 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: because you could you could be my her anyways, So 74 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do, Tony, let's get back on 75 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: back on task here. What I want to do is 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: just talk about our years and some different things we 77 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: experienced and learned. And I've been doing a lot of 78 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of thinking about it because it was a crazy 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: year for me and from a far kind of seemed 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: like it was a different kind of year for you, 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: maybe in very very different ways in mind. Um, so 82 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: tell me this. I guess to start, and you feel 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: free to you know, you play host to Tony, so 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: you can send all these questions right back at me. Um. 85 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: But but I'll start here and just ask if you 86 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: had to grade your hunting season on an A to 87 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: F scale, like you're in elementary school again, how would 88 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: you grade your year? And I don't, I don't know 89 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: how you're choosing to do this. You tell me, however 90 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: you want to define success or the great or whatever, 91 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: But how would you how would you rate it? How 92 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: would you grade it? Oh? Man, you know, personally, my 93 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: hunting was I would give it. Maybe that's a hard 94 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: way to This is a hard thing to answer because 95 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: I didn't get to hunt very much, so it was 96 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: kind of a unfulfilling season, even though you know, outwardly 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: it looked very successful because I, you know, in the 98 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: short amount of time I put in, I had a 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, as far as tags filled are concerned, it 100 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: was great. And so that part was kind of rough 101 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: because I didn't get to do some of the things 102 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: I really like to do and go run a bunch 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: of different states for public land. So maybe a C 104 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: for myself. But I also had the first year ever 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: where I got to take my daughters, you know, multiple weekends, 106 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: and that was a plus. Man, That was that was 107 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of what made my season. Okay. So I guess 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: combine those two though, So how does the bad grade 109 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: of your personal combine with a good grade of the 110 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: larger experience, like where does that nets you out? And 111 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: do you do? Is that maybe used answer for me? 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: But do you look at us that two things is separate? 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: I don't get yes, I do. I mean, I don't 114 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: really have any way to think about it other than 115 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: in my head. I go, you know, there was there 116 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: were the times where I was just taking them and 117 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: I didn't have a weapon, and then there were the 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: times where I was hunting and they just were They're different. 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: They're so vastly different in how you have to approach them, 120 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: and man, it was just so to take them. It 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: was just so fun. I just enjoyed it so much. 122 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: And you know how this is, and I'm curious what 123 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna say. But when you've got some obligations like 124 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: we had for one week in November, and you know, 125 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: your your deer hunting gets mixed up in your work, 126 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: it's a different experience and it can still be really 127 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: really fun, but you approach it in a different way. 128 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: And so it's just it comes with different things kind 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: of attached to it. And that those hunts with my daughters, 130 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: they were just like so pure, like we had one goal, 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, get out in the woods as much as 132 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: possible and try to get a few deer in front 133 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: of us. And I just I loved it, man, Yeah, yeah, 134 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: I I can relate to that for sure. Um, because 135 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I want to talk 136 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: about is what we would what the best experiences were 137 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: of our year. And for me, almost all of the 138 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: things that kind of came to mind for me when 139 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: I started thinking about about that was when I was 140 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: sharing hunts with with someone you know, where where the 141 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: hunt wasn't about me and my success, but it was 142 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: about somebody else's or someone else's experience, like taking my 143 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: dad and son out or going out with new hunters, 144 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: like those ended up being the best things I did 145 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: all year. When people would might look at what I 146 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: did and be like, oh man, this trip and that 147 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: trip in this place in that place, and those are 148 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: all fine and great. But when I look back, the 149 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: things that really were like impactful or that really had 150 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: the most joy associated with him or whatever, it wasn't 151 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: those things, which kind of surprised me when I started 152 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: looking at these things. Um. So when I if I 153 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: were to grave my year, um, I'm giving it like 154 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: a like a C minus a seed to C minus 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: somewhere in that ballpark. See maybe maybe it's just a 156 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: south Sea UM. Because there was like a bunch of 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: really cool things and then a lot of less cool 158 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: things that I kind of experienced throughout or that I 159 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I mean, we'll get into 160 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: all that. But it was not it was not a 161 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: good year for me. UM. So we hold hold on 162 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: a second though. Are you are you grading your season? 163 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: You're not grading it on And I think when we 164 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: look at something like this, you'd say, well, you know, 165 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: how many deer did you kill? How many tags did 166 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: you have? And it would be an easy way to 167 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: distill it down that way, But you're you're grading it 168 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: upon like your enjoyment. Yeah, I'm grading on a combination 169 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: of things. So from a tag, I'm looking at tags 170 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: failed a little bit and like so there's like the 171 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: surface level success of a season, which would be tags filled, 172 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: quality of the hunt, anything like that, achievement of goals, 173 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: anything like that, But then like enjoyment of the year, UM, 174 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: overall satisfaction, UM, just performance like how I did on 175 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: the things that I try to do well UM, and 176 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: so on a lot of those metrics, it wasn't where 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: it needed to be or where I would like it 178 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: to be. Um So, so I think all this leads 179 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: to me, maybe I'm having this. I wanted to have 180 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: these conversations because I feel like I am in a 181 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: transition phase of my hunting life. I didn't realize at 182 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: the time, but now after this season, I feel like 183 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: I hit some kind of transition point, like some point 184 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: of inflection or something. Um And And I guess that's 185 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: why this is kind of an interesting conversation to have. 186 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, I think it was like it was 187 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: one of the coolest seasons I've had in certain ways 188 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: a long time. At the same time, might be the 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: worst season I've had in a long time. Um And, 190 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: I guess we should get into all those things. Um 191 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, but hold on a second. So when you 192 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: say that you feel like you're in a in a 193 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: transitionary period of your of your white tail hunting, what 194 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Okay, so we're gonna kind 195 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: of this, this will kind of be diving right into Uh. 196 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: I guess that the climatic issue of sorts. But I 197 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: think I did so much this year. Um went on, 198 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: traveled to so many different places, so many different states 199 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: with all these high flung goals. Um. And I've been 200 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, you know this, You've You've had many conversations 201 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: with me in the past where I'm ranting about my 202 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: goals and you know, wanting to achieve this thing or 203 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: that thing, or wanting to kill some specific big old 204 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: buck with a name, or kill a hundred and fifty 205 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: five year old or whatever, all those kinds of things. UM. 206 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: I think and I've also just been like more and 207 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: more and more and more and more. I've been like 208 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: always striving for more in one way another, whether that's 209 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: more from a quality perspective or quantity or whatever. Um. 210 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: And after this year, I think I packed myself to 211 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the gills with experiences and goals and like high flung aspirations. Um. 212 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: And it came out of it just feeling like I 213 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: ended up losing sight. With some exceptions, I lost sight 214 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: of like the fun of it. I lost the fun 215 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: and things and the things that ended up with the 216 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,239 Speaker 1: things I've realized ended up that are the most meaningful 217 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: to me. I did up not have any time for 218 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: or I didn't get to do it all, and instead 219 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: I was just like stressed all the time about this 220 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: thing and going to that thing and doing this thing 221 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and did I accomplish this? And did I accomplish that? 222 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: And the season ended up just being like a giant 223 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: but all of of stress, um and like checkboxes to 224 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: mark whether or not you did it and um coming 225 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: out of it. I just have this feeling like, Man, 226 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't I don't think I 227 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: want to be people that do this stuff all all 228 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: over the place and all the time, and like kill 229 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: ten deer year or whatever. Like I don't want to 230 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: be Leaving Morgan, someone who travels in place to place 231 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: to place to place in place and has to kill 232 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: deer everywhere and has to do that and has to 233 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: pack in all these things. And good for them, great 234 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: for them. I'm glad there's people out there that can 235 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: do that. But I don't think that's the path for 236 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: me now. I don't think I'm going to be that person. Um, hey, 237 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: before this fall, did you think that that was Did 238 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: you even consider that a possibility before you went out 239 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: on this wild schedule you had last year? I mean, 240 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever I don't think I ever 241 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be like I mean, I don't know why 242 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: I leave as the example and to but I never 243 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: wanted to go that far probably, but I think I 244 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: imagined something more towards that end of the scale. I 245 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: mean I always had like aspirations are always like dreamed of, Like, man, 246 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: look at these dream seasons that people have are going 247 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: to this state and that state and this state and 248 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: that state, and they're killing a big buck here and there, 249 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and they're and I was like, man, I want to 250 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: do that. And I've had my own little versions of 251 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: that kind of thing here and there. Um. So so yeah, 252 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: I aspired to something along those lines, um. And you know, 253 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: everyone knows them quite gold driven, and so I like 254 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: to push myself in certain ways like that. But I 255 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: guess it went like too far this year or something. 256 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: And maybe it's just like where I am in you know, 257 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: family life and personal life and all those things kind 258 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: of all overlapping within this like crazy year I had, 259 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: and all those things kind of led me to like whoa, whoa, whoa, 260 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: like tap the brakes. Um, maybe that maybe that's not 261 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe that's not the thing I want. Um. Does that 262 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: make sense? Yeah? Man, I feel like you're about seven 263 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: years behind me on this realization. And I think this 264 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're in a unique position, and so am I. 265 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: But I think when you you sort of chase that 266 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: that lifestyle, there's a there's a space of life, you know, 267 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: there's a life phase where it's really good, like where 268 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: you can get after it and devote a lot of 269 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: time to it. But when you start having little ones 270 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: at home, it changes the whole thing, and it's harder 271 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: to be gone, and it's harder to just focus solely 272 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: on those goals of killing big bucks here and there. 273 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: It just it becomes something different. You realize you don't 274 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: want to push it that hard. You'd rather, you know, 275 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: cut your travel in half and really enjoy it and 276 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: have it be meaningful versus just like how much can 277 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: I get in in three months every fall? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. 278 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: And then I also think, like, just like the obsession 279 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: with killing something too a little bit like maybe I 280 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: would be really happy with having to quote unquote successful hunts, 281 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: but having great experiences throughout versus shooting for while I 282 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: gotta kill six big bucks or whatever to to show 283 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: that I'm really good at what I do, and YadA YadA, 284 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: yadaould have good Instagram pictures and all this stuff. And 285 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: I used to like have that like feeling like, oh, 286 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: I should be doing that, And I've kind of found 287 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: that that's like tainted stuff for me. Um, and I'm 288 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of over it. Like I'm I'm getting more and 289 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: more like over the big buck thing, as crazy as 290 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: that sounds. I mean, I like big bucks are cool. 291 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm always gonna be geeked out by them, and loved 292 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: chasing them and learning about I'm fascinated by deer, but 293 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like at one point I was like 294 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: I had like a quiet goal with some of my friends, 295 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: like man, I'm gonna shoot a one seventy by the 296 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: time I'm thirty. Um, and like that kind of stuff, 297 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, And like I'm over that, Like that's just 298 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: so trivial now in my mind. U um. And still 299 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: like those kinds of things, I'm just getting a little 300 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: burnt out on that side of stuff. Yeah, you're preaching 301 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: to the choir here, buddy, So so let me let's 302 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: let's unpack this a little bit more both your experience 303 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: of mind. So one of the things that made me 304 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: realize this a little bit was when I started looking 305 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: at the best experiences of my like what are the 306 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: things of everything I did that were my very favorite, 307 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: and a couple of those things were Number one. I 308 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: did a couple of mentored hunts with new hunters, so 309 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: these Field of Four Counts. We just released a podcast 310 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: about it, so plenty of people probably heard about this. 311 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I got to take out two folks 312 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: over the course of several different weeks who were interested 313 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: in learning to hunt, and spend time with them, teaching 314 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: them about this stuff, and then getting to go out 315 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: on hunt with them and then see them have these 316 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: just awesome experiences, you know, seeing their first year of 317 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: close and then if actually getting to get a shot 318 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: at one and got their first year and go through 319 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: all those emotions and go through all that stuff, and 320 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: that was just so much fun just getting to kind 321 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: of see that, um, just being reminded of just like 322 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: the pure joy and the experience of what they were experiencing. 323 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: Getting to kind of live it through their eyes again, 324 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: Like that was just so much fun and so refreshing. Um. 325 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: Those are two, you know, two hunts that are right 326 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: at the top of my list, and I didn't get 327 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: to shoot a thing. Um. Another one of the best 328 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: experiences of my year was the one night the one 329 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: evening and morning that I was able to carve out 330 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: time to go hunting with my dad and take my son. 331 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: And how sad is it that I only made time 332 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: to have one afternoon where I could take my dad 333 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: and my son up to our cabin and go up 334 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: there for a night. In the morning, that was it. 335 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: But that was one of the very best things I did. 336 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: So there was like an eye opener for me. Man, 337 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: Why am I run around doing all this stuff when 338 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: the thing that's most important I only give twenty four hours? Um? 339 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: So those were two things that stood up to me. Um, Well, 340 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: what about for you when you think of like the 341 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: best things you did this year, the best experiences, I mean, 342 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: I gotta believe a couple of them are taking your daughters. Though, yeah, 343 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: you know I was. I was nervous about this this 344 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: past season because I knew I was saving my Minnesota 345 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: and my Wisconsin tag for one week in November. Projects 346 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna hunt very much 347 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: this year for myself, but I also knew my little 348 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: girls were raring to go, and you know, it was 349 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: just such a It felt like, maybe this is a 350 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: bad comparison, But when you get a good bird dog, 351 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: you just go do more stuff outside like a good 352 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: dog just does that for you. Like I'm I'm taking 353 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: them for more walks. I'm taking them, you know, shed 354 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: hunting more. We're gonna hunt more. We're gonna go out more, 355 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: do more things. And with my little girls this year, 356 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: it was like, man, you know, we gotta get over there. 357 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: We got uh, you know, put some blinds up, let's 358 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: scout around a little bit. And then the season starts 359 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: getting closer. It's like we gotta shoot more. And it 360 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: was just it was just such a cool experience for 361 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: them to be at an age where they were involved 362 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: in it and then to go over and it was 363 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: just a it was so relieving to me in some 364 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: ways to not have to worry about my own tags 365 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: and just you know, leave my bow at home and 366 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: take them out and go spend you know, I spent 367 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: four full weekends with them hunting this year, and it 368 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: just I had so much fun. I just I loved it. 369 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's so great to go out 370 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: with you know, no standards, right, You're like we got 371 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: dough tags, we got buck tags, and we're just waiting 372 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: for a deer. To walk by, and you know, we 373 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: were in a place with low deer density, and in 374 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: those four weekends we only saw seven deer, but they 375 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: killed three of them, and so we got to do 376 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: the you know, blood trailing, We got to god them, 377 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: we got to butcher all of them, and it was 378 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: just it was amazing. It was the best part of 379 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: my season by orders of magnitude. Yeah, So how do 380 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: you see, like, what does that mean for you moving forward? 381 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Like this is your first year getting to really have 382 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: them as involved as he did. How do you see 383 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: that changing things this year in future years for you? Well, 384 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: probably I'll probably feel a few more tags and they'll 385 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: fill more, you know. I mean, as long as they 386 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: want to keep going. And you know we're working hard 387 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: on Turkey season already and you know, getting a couple 388 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: of states in and whatever they want to do, I'm 389 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm game for it. So, you know, I know the 390 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: balance of my season from here on out at least, 391 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, they might give it up in a few years. 392 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: You don't know what's going to happen, But if they 393 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: want to go, they're gonna go. We're gonna We're gonna 394 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: make those opportunities happen, and so I'll be planning more 395 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: of my hunting just around our you know, our work 396 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: obligations and when they're not able to hunt. And I'm 397 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: super okay with that. So what outside of the hunts 398 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: with your girls? So just the U hunts? Where where? 399 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: Where were those this year? You did obviously Minnesota and 400 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: Wisconsin as documented on one week in November. Ye, and 401 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: then what else in North Dakota to so that just 402 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: that one? So that was way less than you usually do? Yeah, yeah, way, 403 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: you know, I probably well, you know, I try to 404 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: front load my season every year, so September is usually 405 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: a really good month for me, and you know that 406 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: might be white tails and Western Games some kind of 407 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: mix of that. And I didn't even I mean I 408 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: literally never carried at my own weapon into the woods 409 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: the entire month of September this year, which is so unusual. 410 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: So do you think so like now looking back on it, 411 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: are you did you feel like it was did you 412 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: go too far in that direction and you miss not 413 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: hunting as much for yourself or do you feel like, man, 414 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: it was it was good. It was fine because of 415 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: how great is with my daughters. And I'm gonna keep 416 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 1: it like this, like, do you see that changing at 417 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: all or do you see the same? I hope it 418 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: it bends a little more in my favor, uh, to 419 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: just sit more, because you know, it's it's just when 420 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: you're wired to do it, it's hard to have those 421 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: long times where you don't do it. And it's one 422 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: of the mains when you're ruggling with when you're wired 423 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: to hunt. Yes, yes, Uh, one of the things that 424 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm that I struggled with this year. It's just not 425 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't have I have one 426 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: place to hunt close to my house here and it's 427 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: being developed, so by May one of this year that 428 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: that place is totally gone and it's been it's been 429 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: going away for the last two years now, and so 430 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really nervous about my future for not having 431 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: any I don't have any opportunity to just go out 432 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: and sit like an afternoon on a Wednesday night, you 433 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm like, I'm looking at 434 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: that situation going you know, it's I don't want to 435 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: really solely on having to travel somewhere to get my fix, 436 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: but that's kind of what I'm staring at and so 437 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I need I need to get that figured out, because 438 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: you know how it is, it's you get really caught 439 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: up in stuff, especially when you have a big travel schedule, 440 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: and man, you start to miss just those times when 441 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: you go out by the house and just go sit. 442 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: You know, it's not a big production that you have 443 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: to pack for you know, you just grab minimal amount 444 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: of gear and you've got a nice set up and 445 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: it's it's just relaxing and a nice little break from 446 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: the week. And when you don't have that, like I'm 447 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm already anxious about not having that. I'm not even 448 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: dealing with it yet. So I I think about that 449 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: for this year a lot. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, 450 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: because that's like, as I was thinking through this, I 451 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: was trying to kind of take note of some of 452 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: the biggest mistakes or things I realized I want to 453 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: do differently next year, I guess this year now. And 454 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: one of those things that stood up to me too 455 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: was like not enough local time, because I you know, 456 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: you and me both preach often about the value of 457 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: traveling to hunt and going to new places and challenging 458 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: yourself to get better and all that stuff, and for 459 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: good reason, like I think those are good things that 460 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: can help you grow. We both had a lot of 461 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: fun with it. But this year I've realized like the alternate, 462 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: like the opposite side of the scale, which is doing 463 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: that too much to to to the point where you 464 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: don't do the easy, comfortable, local thing almost at all. 465 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: And I kind of realized, WHOA, I actually really do 466 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: enjoy that sometimes, and it is important to have some 467 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: of that, um, Because yeah, like I had very few 468 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: hunts that were just like the relaxing, walk out the door, 469 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: have a fun sit and you know, be back for 470 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: dinner kind of stuff, and you know, there's there's value 471 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: to both sides there, and this year kind of was 472 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: a was aha moment from me there for sure. So 473 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier that you're you're in this new place 474 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: where you're not as geeked about big Bucks as you 475 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: have been in the past. Does that mean you're gonna 476 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna lower your standards and start shooting a bunch 477 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: of four keys? I did that this year, UM, And UM. 478 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say like I'm necessarily going to go that 479 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: far with things, um, But at the same time, I'm 480 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: not going to be opposed to it. I mean, I 481 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: I I had an experience, you know, this year lowering 482 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: my standards and it was fun. Like I'm glad I 483 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: did that with these hunts that I was on um 484 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: and so so part of me is like, yeah, that 485 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: could be more possible. Part of me, you know, also 486 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: as I think, I don't know, I don't know if 487 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: I'm fully figured. I don't know if I fully figured 488 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: out like what I want anymore. I think I'm still 489 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: in that sess um, but I'm just not going to 490 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: be I'm not I don't have the crazy obsession that 491 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: I used to have in which I was like, Okay, 492 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: how can I get to these states where I think 493 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: there's big one sixties and I want to put more 494 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: bucks like that on the wall, or you know, really 495 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: thinking about that a lot. I think what I'm more 496 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: interested in now is how can I have some hunts 497 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: that are like super interesting or fun, so you know, 498 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: like I'm interested. Like one of the things, one of 499 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: the good things that came out of my season was 500 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: the fact that I got to go to many different 501 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: places and experience these different styles of hunting, and I 502 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: found like that to be fun, Like I enjoyed that 503 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: side of things. Like my best hunt of the year 504 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: I think was going to Nebraska, and I love that 505 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: area out there, love the plane, So it was in 506 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: a place that I just love. And then it was 507 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: also a new style of hunting that was new and 508 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: just fun, just going out there with a handheld decoy 509 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: and running around like an idiot and trying to get 510 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: close to one. And I was like, it was just 511 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: pure type one, stupid kid fun and there's nothing wrong 512 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: with having that sometimes. Um So, I think I see 513 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: myself starting to not saying this will be like a 514 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: night and day change, but I think I can see 515 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: my seasons more and more going towards choosing hunts and 516 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: locations and things more around what's just a place I 517 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: want to be or people I want to be with, 518 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: or experiences like I just want to like try or 519 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: have some fun with and less so man, I gotta 520 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: have a sick lease in Kansas where I can shoot 521 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: one seventies every year. I think at one point I thought, oh, 522 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: I want to try to nail down that kind of thing, 523 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: and I think now not so much. Um not that 524 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to big Bucks day, it's 525 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: not that I'm not going to enjoy those opportunities in 526 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: different ways, but it's it's just not as high on 527 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: my priority lists as it used to be. Yeah, you're 528 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: ready to go have some fun? Yeah exactly. Isn't that 529 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: what the stuff supposed to be? Um? So, so yeah, 530 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: I think that's that's where I'm I'm heading. And you 531 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: know what exactly that means in you know reality? Like 532 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: how that ends up playing out, I'm not sure, but yeah, 533 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean life's too short to to be taking this 534 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: thing that we love and making it stressful or making 535 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: it you know so much. And I don't know, I'm 536 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: this is really getting into some psycho babble bullshit, but 537 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: I anyone who's listened for a long time knows that 538 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: I often like get into this like mission focus where 539 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm like so goal oriented and like deer hunting for 540 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: me is like a mission. Like you've got the you've 541 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: got the target, your attacking the target with this very 542 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: strategic plan, um, and there's no no no quit in 543 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: you and you've got to do all these things you've 544 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: got to execute on the plan. And it's like it 545 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: almost like a military thing for me, and um and 546 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: I think there there is value to to like some 547 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: of that stuff, and I think maybe it taps into 548 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: a thing that I need and maybe other people need 549 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: to where like a lot of us need to have 550 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: some kind of thing like that to push towards, Like 551 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: that's good for you as a person to have, like 552 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: something to focus you and to focus your work and 553 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: to push you forward or whatever. Um, I just think 554 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm realizing maybe it went too far from me and 555 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: that now I need to take a step back and 556 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: and look at this more experiential. Like one of the 557 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: big Aha moments I had this year, And it wasn't 558 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: like a single epiphany, but it was something that on 559 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: on many of these hunts that I was on, especially 560 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: at the second half of the year. Um, you know, 561 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: I've got the cameraman follow me around Phil in this 562 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: new show, and so basically I got to the point 563 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: where just any time and I thought would pop in 564 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: my mind, I would just start talking about it to 565 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: the camera. Um. And what ended up popping up over 566 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: and over again multiple times. I discussed this in many 567 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: different trips, was just this kind of awakening I'm having 568 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: too too, how the process and the experience is becoming 569 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: more important to me than the outcome, And so I 570 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: was I was kind of realizing that like obsessing over 571 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: while whether I'm gonna kill a buck in Maine or 572 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Wisconsin is taking the fun out of it for me, 573 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's maybe not what should matter in the 574 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: first place, maybe looking at the process and the learning. 575 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: Like so what I ended up looking back on these 576 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: hunts is like, dude, you could look at my hunting 577 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Maine as an utter failure. I didn't see a single 578 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: deer and kill a deer, let alone see one. Um. 579 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: But when I look at it, and once I allowed 580 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: myself to start being okay with it, you can look 581 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: at and say, Okay, yeah, final outcome, goal, achievement, no, nothing, zippo. 582 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: Your failure. But on the flip side, I got to 583 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: learn a really cool thing. I got to spend time 584 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: with some interesting people. I was in a beautiful place. 585 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: And if I could like release the pressure that I 586 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: was feeling to kill something, if I if I could 587 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: just get myself to not be so dang worried about 588 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: that and instead focus on the process, it was a 589 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: great thing. And that's what I like. That's like the 590 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: thing I was trying to do as these hunts went 591 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: along because I had like this building pressure like you 592 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: gotta shoot when you gotta shoot one and um and 593 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: for content like like we're is he you know, we're 594 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: in a unique situation like we do this for our jobs. 595 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: We're supposed to showcase these things. And so yeah, for 596 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: my job for interesting videos, probably would have been better 597 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: if I would have killed more stuff. Sorry, folks, didn't happen. 598 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: But for you know, the reality of most of us, 599 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: and the reality for me this year was was, Hey, 600 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: you know what, you can either hate your hate your 601 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: experience because you're not getting that outcome that you think 602 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: you need. Or you can shift the way you look 603 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: at this stuff and you can say, you know, whether 604 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: I achieve the goal or kill a big buck or whatever, 605 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: I can still really enjoy this thing for what it 606 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: is and there's value and enjoying the fact that you're 607 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: gonna learn something or you're gonna grow. You know, you 608 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: did that podcast with Aim recently where I know you 609 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: guys talked about some things along these lines. That was 610 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: on my mind a lot where you could go and 611 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: you could have your you know, you're you're super nice, 612 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: iowa a lease or whatever. Let's say nothing against Iowa leases. 613 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: I might have one some day. But let's say you've 614 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: got your like mega big buck factory place, it's all 615 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: locked down, and you know every year there's big giant 616 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: Bucks out there, and you've got it all managed and 617 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's the air, and you know how to 618 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: do it and it's comfortable and you're gonna kill big deer. 619 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: Like that's fun. I get that. I'd like to have 620 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: some fun doing that kind of thing too, But I 621 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: also found this year, like maybe there's also fun in 622 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: doing brand new things. Maybe there is also fun in 623 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: like in trying to learn, in challenging yourself a new ways, 624 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: not being obsessed with the outcome of it, but being 625 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: obsessed with it. How do I learn as much as possible? 626 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: How do I grow? And like that's the fun thing? 627 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Um that like this large I don't know if I'm 628 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: articulating in this right, but like that was what this 629 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: year ended up being about. Like the good stuff on 630 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: my year, it was all related to that stuff. The 631 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: bad stuff was all related to obsessing over the outcome 632 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: too much, or like screwing stuff up when I was 633 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: trying to get the outcome. I'm so proud of you. 634 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: You're making such progress in this therapy session. Or I 635 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: was worried about you for a while because you're such 636 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: a headcase, but it seems like you're coming around, buddy. Okay, 637 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: this is wanted to hear. No. What you're saying reminds 638 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: me so much when when I when I was twenty, 639 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember when I went out freelance. I'm like, 640 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a freelance writer and I'm like, I'm 641 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: gonna hunt public Land super hard and I'm gonna set 642 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: the world on fire and show everybody how you can 643 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: kill Big Bucks out there. I went to the darkest 644 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: place I've ever been as a deer hunter because I 645 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: was not enjoying it, and I was like, I've gotta 646 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: go kill big Bucks, and I fell apart. I mean 647 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: that's when my buck fever just hit like a whole 648 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: another level and my enjoyment just dropped, and it was 649 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: like it was a rough thing to go through, but 650 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: it changed, Like what you're talking about about, just like 651 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: I want to go places where I enjoy the experience 652 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm gonna have fun and not just 653 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: not just you know, make all these decisions based around 654 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: the likelihood of encountering a really big buck. Man, I'm 655 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: right there with you, and it changed how I look 656 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: at it, you know, and like talking to Andy recently 657 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: about that stuff, like I realized, like it's so easy 658 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: for me to kind of and I think we all 659 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: do this to some extent, but just lean into like 660 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: what what we've figured out makes us happy. And you know, 661 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: like you said that that least down in Iowa that 662 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: somebody has that's a totally different thing, but that could 663 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: be just the thing that some hunters need to really 664 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: enjoy this and really enjoy the experience. You know. We 665 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: talked about the process a lot, and I've been I've 666 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: been thinking about this ever since that Andy episode. We 667 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: probably didn't outline it very well, but you know, like 668 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: our process is different than a lot of people. And 669 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: I realized, I'm like, man, the process of working on 670 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: a little piece of ground and and you know, looking 671 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: forward to going to till up some soil and you know, 672 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: throw down some clover seed or whatever, and it's it's 673 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: it's the same. It's a different path, but you're you're 674 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: angled towards the same result. Like you're just trying to 675 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: enjoy and soak up them as much of this as 676 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: poss sable. And I think that's why it's so easy 677 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: to sort of push this traveling mentality, because it really 678 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: gives you a glimpse into what you you really like 679 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: in this stuff. You know, like when you go to 680 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: like you said, you go out to Maine, and you 681 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: go to all these different states and now you're down 682 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: in Alabama, you're getting you have a really unique opportunity 683 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: to figure out what you really want to get out 684 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: of this stuff. And so that's you know, I mean, 685 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: I guess sometimes we probably don't push that message the 686 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: right way, I guess, but man to go experience some 687 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: new stuff really shows you like I love this western 688 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: North Dakota land. I want to hunt your every year 689 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: no matter what. Or I don't really like driving ten 690 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: hours and sleeping in a tent when it's hot, you know, 691 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: like I want to stay closer to home and do 692 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: something else. When you start figuring that stuff out and 693 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: thinking about it that way versus just like I went 694 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: here and I either killed a big buck or I didn't, 695 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: it's just the path to enjoying this stuff. I think 696 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: it's just it's just a little easier to see. Yeah, yeah, 697 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: And I guess the only way you figure those things 698 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: out is by trying all those different things. But then 699 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: like once you kind of learn where you're at or 700 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: what makes you happy or how you like to enjoy 701 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: this stuff, I guess we shouldn't feel guilty for doubling 702 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: down on that. I guess, like maybe maybe I've gone 703 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: too far, like pushing, like you said, kind of pushing 704 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: our narrative of what we like versus you know, kind 705 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: of also realizing that everyone's gonna have their own path 706 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: to it. I think that's a great point you make. Um, 707 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: that's that's also I guess it changes though, too, right. 708 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like I've had now this transition for me 709 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: that's changing, and what would make me happy eight years 710 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: ago it's probably different than what's gonna do it for 711 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: me now, And that's okay too. Can Can I make 712 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: a prediction about you? Yeah? Sure, I think you're gonna 713 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: start killing a lot of deer When you say, what 714 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: do you mean, like just just a bunch of deer? 715 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: Or are you saying like I'm gonna have more success 716 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: in I guess expand on that. I think when you 717 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: start to say you know, the trophy thing, it's losing 718 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: its appeal to me. When you when you say that, 719 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: what what that carries with it in its orbit is 720 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: just a greater less pressure and a greater enjoyment. And 721 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, when I stopped caring about 722 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: big Bucks, you know I shouldn't say that when it 723 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: when it became way less important to me, I started 724 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: killing a lot more dear because I was going out 725 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: to have fun and it wasn't that terminator style, you know, 726 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: gotta gotta encounter big Bucks like you were talking about earlier. 727 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: I just started making decisions based around like where where 728 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: can I go to hunt that I think is going 729 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: to challenge me? Or I'm just gonna enjoy it, or 730 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna have a whole bunch of deer that I'm 731 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: gonna be around, or it is an environment I just 732 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: want to hunt in. And when I started planning my 733 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: deer hunting life around just where do I want to be? 734 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: Because I know it's that that place is going to 735 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: do it for me. The stress kind of goes away 736 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: and you level off a little better and you're out 737 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: there more. I think you have a more larity to 738 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: your decision making and man, for me, it just when 739 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: when I did that, when that happened to me, I 740 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: started killing a lot more, dear. And I think it 741 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: was just because I wasn't making a bunch of like 742 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: anxiety stress build decisions. I was just like, what's what's 743 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: going to be fun about this? And you know what, 744 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: you know how it is like there's still a lot 745 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: of work mixed in there, and there's still a lot 746 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: of failure you know, tossed into the mix as well. 747 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: But man, it changes. It changes how you act out there, 748 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: and it changes the decisions you make. And for me, 749 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: it went it broken the right way big time, and 750 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna for you too. Yeah, I think 751 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. And I I see, 752 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: I see, I could see that happening absolutely. I could 753 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: also see. You asked me about like my goals or 754 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: standards changing or something, and I don't think. I don't 755 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: think I'm not I'm not necessarily going to go on 756 00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: a streak of like shooting for keys um because I 757 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: am I trying to stay here. I think I'm just 758 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna be okay more okay with just not shooting anything 759 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: um and that still being fine and cool Um, I 760 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: think I'll still always be had like a pull towards 761 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like like a buck that just 762 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: makes me extra excited, and you know that will probably 763 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: maybe not, but I think for the foreseeable future that's 764 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: still gonna be like, you know, one of the better 765 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: bucks in the area, a three year old or four 766 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: year old or whatever. But I'm definitely not going to 767 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: be obsessing over like having to get a one sixty 768 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,479 Speaker 1: five year old or something like. You know, some people 769 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: have these different trajectories where they slowly go up. Some 770 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: people want to kill a beggar deer every year. Some 771 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: people only want to shoot one seventy plus is. Some 772 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: people only want to shoot five or six year old 773 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: bucks or older. Um. And maybe at one point I 774 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: thought I would go closer and closer towards some kind 775 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: of thing like that. I don't think that's gonna happen. Um. 776 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: I think I'll likely or at least I guess. I 777 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: don't know what the hell I would be like five 778 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: years from now, but like this coming here, I think 779 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be super stoked to kill like a nice 780 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: deer somewhere, like a three year old. I think that 781 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: some of those bucks I passed in Iowa this year 782 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: will be getting an arrow for sure wherever I'm at 783 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: this year. UM. I also think that, you know, if 784 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: I'm a somewhere and it's just not happening and it's 785 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: not going my way, I'll keep on working at but 786 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna loose. I'm gonna try, you know, I 787 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: say this now, I'm gonna try not to lose sleep 788 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: over stuff not going well, and I'm gonna try to 789 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: be like, you know what, this is still a cool 790 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: hunt even though I didn't come home with something. Um. 791 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's something I've talked about for years, 792 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: trying to get better. But I want to keep getting 793 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: better at that because it sucks to put all this 794 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: time and energy into this thing that's supposed to be 795 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: fun and fulfilling and then you get done with it 796 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: and like, oh man, what a wasted seven days. Well 797 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: that's that's that's stupid. Um. So so yeah, I think, like, 798 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: I think you're right in a lot of ways, and 799 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: having that mindset, hopefully weill ply end up leading to 800 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: me having more success on that, you know, with that 801 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: kind of thing like you're describing, because like, yeah, like 802 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: this year. I definitely found like the stress or the pressure, 803 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, you know, definitely impacted me. 804 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, if we want to talk about one 805 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 1: of my biggest challenges, this is a little of a pivot, 806 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: but maybe this is a natural pivot, you know, one 807 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: of the biggest the biggest challenge I experienced and I 808 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: haven't really talked about this yet publicly, UM, although like 809 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: examples of it popped up throughout UM was that I 810 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: totally had a collapse of confidence in my shooting UM. 811 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: And I think it began with that first hunt in 812 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: d C. I wounded that dough and I was so 813 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: upset about that. I was so stressed out about that. 814 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: I was so down on myself for that shot. UM, 815 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: and you know that being the documented ending to this show, 816 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: I was produceding and like all the stuff it led to, 817 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: and you know, having the cops called and just a 818 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: disaster all the way around. I was so upset about 819 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: that that then I was like, oh God, I hope 820 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to have like another descent into target 821 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: panic like I had a handful of years ago. And 822 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: I remember having these like internal conversations like don't let 823 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: this be like a thing. Don't let this start going 824 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: down that, don't let this get into your head. But 825 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: of course as soon as you start saying that ship, 826 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: it's getting in your head, um and so and so. 827 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: Then you know, I go to Arkansas and I didn't 828 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: have a muzzleloader, and so we had to have a 829 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: muzzleloader shipped to me from Meeta your headquarters before that hunt. 830 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,240 Speaker 1: And then I'm like getting it sighted in and getting 831 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: it ready like just the week before the season, but 832 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: week before the hunt, and it will not uh, it 833 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: will not group well. And like I mean, I went 834 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: through so many rounds. I can't get this damn thing 835 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: the group well. I went like three different times to 836 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: different stores trying to find different sabbots and bullets to try. 837 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: And now I'm having like a panic of like why 838 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: can't I shoot a gun anymore? What's wrong with me? 839 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: I can't shoot this damn gun. And I'm trying to 840 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on, if it's the scope, if 841 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: it's me, and so I have this whole thing with 842 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: my gun now. Um. I ended up finding around that 843 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: shot better um and was able to be okay with it. 844 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: But it's definitely like like that that mental thing traveled 845 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: with me to Arkansas, and you know, I killed a 846 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: deer there. First shot. I don't know what was the 847 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: first shotter of second shot. One of the shots was 848 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: not great, one of the shots was perfect. But it 849 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: took me two shots to kill this deer. Um. But 850 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: that was like a thing okay in my head that 851 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: didn't go as well as you wanted to go. And 852 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: then there's all that leading into it. Now we go 853 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 1: to Iowa, my well documented miss on that buck, which 854 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: now is like, okay, now this is a documented descent 855 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: into chaos. I wounded a deer in uh d C. 856 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: I had to take two shots on this deer in Arkansas. 857 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: Now I missed one of the biggest bucks in my 858 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: life in Iowa. Um where like there was so much 859 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 1: pressure built to that moment. And finally the last day, 860 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: and we all know I've already told everyone how I 861 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: felt throughout that thing. Now that happens. So now we 862 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: get to Nebraska, right, I leave November seven is our 863 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: last day in Iowa. I pack up that night and 864 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: start driving to Nebraska. The next morning. I finished my 865 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: drive while recording a podcast in which I'm like documenting 866 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: what happened over the last seven days. I get to Nebraska, 867 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: and the biggest thing on my mind wasn't like, how 868 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: do I do this hunt well. It wasn't like what 869 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: I need to do right. It wasn't like how much 870 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: cool this place is or how much fun this is 871 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest thing in the back of my 872 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: mind was you better not mr wounded deer. You better 873 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: not screw this up. And so that was the thing 874 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: that was stressing him out that whole time. And because 875 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,919 Speaker 1: of that, I became super and I have not talked 876 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: abous yet. I became very shot hesitant. There were several 877 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: times that there were deer that had been historically within 878 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: my range that I could killed, probably that I didn't 879 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: shoot at because I was so paranoid. I didn't trust 880 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: myself anymore and I did not want to have another 881 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,479 Speaker 1: screw up um. And so like I had a buck 882 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: come into the decoy and circle around me and I'm 883 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: ranging him. He's like forty three, forty two, forty UM, 884 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: and you know, might have got within forty somewhere in 885 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: that ballpark was the last number I hit on the 886 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: range finder and in past years, and you know, I 887 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: can shoot just fine, and killed deer at forty yards 888 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: or half historically at least, and I can do that 889 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: behind the house just fine. But in that moment, I 890 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: was like, no, I really want this deer to get 891 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,720 Speaker 1: in with like chip shot distance, and you know, talking 892 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: to Tony Treats about He's like, yeah, you certainly can 893 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: get those deer and closer. So that deer was broadside 894 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: within my typical max range. But I didn't take that 895 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: shot because I was like, God, I don't I don't 896 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: want to possibly screwed up. I want just a slam dunk. 897 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: I gotta get just a nice close, easy shot because 898 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: I didn't trust myself anymore, and I didn't get a 899 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: shot that deer. Um, there was another smaller deer that 900 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: did something similar, same deal. I probably had taken a shot, 901 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: and maybe it's good that I didn't like force a 902 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: shot that wasn't um, you know, it wasn't a slam dunk. 903 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: But the same side, I guess another side of it 904 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: was I had opportunities that if I had that confidence, 905 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: if I hadn't gone down this descent, I probably could 906 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: have killed the deer out there. Um. So there's a 907 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,479 Speaker 1: couple of examples there in d c um, you could 908 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: then look at you know, my continued shooting issues. Go 909 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: to Alabama and I get a shot. Now this was 910 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: like I mean these sometimes these things just happened. Like 911 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: I got a shot and I hit the farthest out 912 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: inch of this tree this deer was standing behind, and 913 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: and missed a deer because I was inch and a 914 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: half too far to the left. If it had been 915 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: an inch and a half to the right or with 916 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: a heart shot him, he was dead. Instead, I hit 917 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: a tree. So now I'm feeling worse about stuff. Then I, 918 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, hour later, another buck comes out and I 919 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,919 Speaker 1: do get a shot at him, but the shots back 920 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: because of all these things. Again, I rushed that shot, um, 921 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: So like bing bang boom, over and over and over, 922 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: these things start happening this year. Then I get to 923 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and I'm hunting in this box blind, set up 924 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: that tom and drew ahead in the place right seeing 925 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: deer coming out to the standing corn, and I think, okay, 926 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: i gotta go over to the standing corn with his 927 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: deer coming out, He's got an old box blind. I'll 928 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,479 Speaker 1: just sitting there the first night, and I remember getting 929 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: set up in there and trying to think through. Where 930 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: am I going to get a shot? You know? Where 931 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: are my shots at? Where can I Where can I 932 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: do this? And there was this patch of standing corner 933 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: in front of me, and if a deer came right 934 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: in front of you, there was corn that art have 935 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: been cut right in front of you. You You could shoot 936 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: to twenty yards until you hit the standing corn. And 937 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: then there was a standing corn. And remember thinking, man, 938 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: I really want to get set up for a deer 939 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: to come right through this gap in front of me, 940 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: because I want a twenty yard shot. I don't want 941 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,919 Speaker 1: a fourty yard shot. I don't trust myself anymore. There 942 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: if I were to shoot out the right window, if 943 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: deer did come from the right, the edge of that 944 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: standing corn was about forty forty one yards. In previous years, 945 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: that should have been a shot I was ready to 946 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: take and could have taken. But in my heart of hearts, 947 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really want to shoot a 948 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: forty yards shot um in January out of a box 949 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: blind and it's cold, and I don't want to screw 950 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: this up again, So I didn't. Now, maybe that was 951 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: a good call on its own, but this is a 952 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: symptom of what happened to me this year. And then 953 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: lo and behold the two shooter bucks I see that 954 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 1: night are at that corner at forty one yard something 955 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: like that, give or take. I could have got shots 956 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 1: at those deer, but I did not because I was 957 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,760 Speaker 1: afraid to shoot at those deer. If I'm being honest 958 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: with you guys, like in my back of my mind, 959 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,879 Speaker 1: like I was afraid to do that because I didn't 960 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: trust myself anymore. And they never ended up coming. They 961 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: did come and range, but they're in the standing corn 962 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: and couldn't shoot through it. So there's another possible opportunity 963 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: I could have had that I didn't because of this 964 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: thing that happened to me this year that I experienced. 965 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: And and I think the overarching symptom, or the overarching 966 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,240 Speaker 1: theme of all these things, I think is the pressure 967 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: I put on myself and the stress I allowed myself 968 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: to have on all of these hunts, which I think 969 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: then led me to freaking out more and more with 970 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: each of these shots. And then all of the SuDS 971 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: compound um leading to me having, you know, my worst 972 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: shooting year ever. And the biggest thing I gotta work 973 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: on this year is now like rebuilding myself. Um so 974 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. That was a long winding admission of 975 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: all my screw ups this year. What do you make 976 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: of any of that? Tony, Well, let me ask you this. 977 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: I know, I know what happened on that Iowa buck 978 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: to some extent, right, you were trying to trying to 979 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: squeeze you away under the cameraman's bag, and it was 980 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: a really big deer at the end of a kind 981 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: of a rough shoot. But what about what about the 982 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: dough and DC that you lost? What happened there? So 983 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: two things, Um it was I was I got stuck 984 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: at full draw. It was the last night, so it 985 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: was last hunt. It was wine, we're running out of 986 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: shooting light. I called with a faun and distress, call 987 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: to get this dope to come back towards me. She 988 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: comes back. I remember. I definitely was thinking I gotta 989 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: get a shot this year, like we need Like I remember, 990 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: there's talks that we really got to get a you know, 991 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: we've really got to get a dough to make this 992 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: episode work whatever, And at least in my head I 993 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: was thinking that, and so like we have to get 994 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: this and so this dough starts working her way in 995 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 1: and um, I remember thinking, okay, like this is gonna 996 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: be my only opportunity to get drawn, because she's we're 997 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,719 Speaker 1: hunting a freaking yard were she's walking across this big 998 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: grassy yard, and she's about to step behind these tree branches, 999 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: and and then she's gonna be out of range if 1000 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: she goes any further past that tree, like there's one 1001 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 1: little opening. So I thought, well, this is it, this 1002 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: is the only chance, and so I drew just as 1003 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 1: she was going to be going behind those branches, and 1004 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: hopefully we continue her path and give me that one shot. 1005 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,800 Speaker 1: Well she stops right there, um, behind the tree branches, 1006 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: out of range, behind the tree branches. I'm well, is 1007 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: that right? She behind the trees? I guess. I don't 1008 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: remember exactly where she was, but all I remember was 1009 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: I was drawn and I couldn't move, so she must 1010 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: have her. She was staring at us, I know that, 1011 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: and I couldn't move, and I was at full draw, 1012 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, you better not move, you better 1013 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: not pull this bow down because like she will bust you, 1014 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: and this thing is done zo. And then I was 1015 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: stuck at full draw for I don't remember how long, 1016 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,879 Speaker 1: but it was a very very long time, long enough 1017 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: that I was like, I can't do it. I can't 1018 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,439 Speaker 1: hold this anymore. I remember having like slowly angled down 1019 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,319 Speaker 1: a little bit. I stayed at full draw, but I 1020 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: angled my arm down just so it's like easier for 1021 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,720 Speaker 1: me to hold it. Um. And I was just stuck, stuck, stuck, 1022 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: And then finally she started moving and finally she stepped 1023 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: into that gap. And I certainly, man, I'm trying to 1024 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:54,320 Speaker 1: remember exactly, I certainly just did not execute that shot perfectly. 1025 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: I think part of it was the fact that my 1026 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: arms are super tired, and part of it was like 1027 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: rushing it, just like okay, finally it's here to take 1028 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: the shot. Um. It was a common It was like 1029 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: a twenty shot, and the shot we believe hit low. 1030 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: So I think it was good but low. And we 1031 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 1: never recovered her. So it was like that low brisket. 1032 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,839 Speaker 1: If it was an inch or too higher, it could 1033 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: have been heard if you know, uh in in this case, 1034 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:36,399 Speaker 1: it wasn't. When you shoot deer or shoot at dear, 1035 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: do you do you typically remember your pins being on 1036 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 1: their side or your pin being on their side? Man? 1037 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 1: I remember I remember like where the pin was in general, Yes, 1038 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: I've had experiences were left like like usually my my 1039 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: my shooting problems would come from the shot would go 1040 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,359 Speaker 1: off as soon as the pin hits the vitals, so 1041 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,319 Speaker 1: like I would be dropping down. And then as soon 1042 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: as the pins on the vitals, like the shots off. 1043 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: Now I switched to a back tension style release and 1044 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,879 Speaker 1: so as soon as the pin hits the vitals, that's 1045 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: when I release the safety and my pulling begins and 1046 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 1: so and some of my hunts that has like it's 1047 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,919 Speaker 1: forced me to slow down and the shot has been better. Um. 1048 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: This year, you know, I shot at two deer in 1049 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: my bow, and I think both of them. I can 1050 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: like I can remember, I can remember the shot being 1051 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 1: there and feeling like it should have been okay. But 1052 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 1: I definitely think like my arm dropped on that dough, 1053 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: and I think that could be a combination of rushing 1054 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,359 Speaker 1: and just exhaustion and my my natural if I ever, 1055 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: if I ever miss, whenever I do, um not hit 1056 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: the bulls, and let's say just on a target, it's 1057 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,879 Speaker 1: usually low, like my natural predisposition is for that arm 1058 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 1: to drop a little bit and so the shot goes 1059 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: a little low. Um, and I think that just happened 1060 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 1: to the extra with that dough um. I think that 1061 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,359 Speaker 1: happened to a degree with that buck um because of 1062 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: both my arm dropping and because of the funangling of 1063 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: physical or of trying to physically get around that backpack. Um. 1064 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: But I'm sure like that was rushed a little bit too. 1065 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,319 Speaker 1: I definitely did not like sit the pin on that 1066 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: box of vitals for five seconds and make sure everything 1067 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,399 Speaker 1: was perfect before like going. That didn't happen that buck 1068 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: I like was maneuver trying to get a position, trying 1069 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: to get position, finally got drawn back, bump up against 1070 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: the backpack, leaned down more, I got the pins on 1071 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: the vitals, and then it was like gone. Um. I 1072 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: still with that one. I still can't explain how it 1073 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 1: missed as much as it did. Like I was not. 1074 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't There's no way I should have missed as 1075 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,880 Speaker 1: much as I missed. And I'm just I'm telling you 1076 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: I've screwed up in a lot of ways, but I 1077 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: did not. There was I wasn't like shaking. It wasn't 1078 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,520 Speaker 1: like I couldn't hold the pins on the buck or anything. 1079 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: So the fact that it hit like three ft to 1080 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 1: the left in like a foot or whatever makes me 1081 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: think that something else is involved to like when I 1082 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 1: when I released, like it maybe it hit the backpack 1083 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,759 Speaker 1: on release and bumped it down or something. Um. So 1084 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: it's not to make excuses, but it's same, like something 1085 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: happened there that made that thing extreme. Are you you're 1086 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 1: shooting what are you shooting? Like a five pin site? Yeah? Yeah, 1087 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: five pin site. I want to go back and watch 1088 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: that miss because I wonder if you're maybe you know, 1089 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 1: you might be dropping your bow arm, but you might 1090 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: also be trying to look at that arrow as soon 1091 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,799 Speaker 1: as you release the shot, so that might be influencing 1092 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,319 Speaker 1: your form a little bit, especially when you shoot at 1093 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: a deer. You might not notice it. You might not 1094 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 1: do it when your target shooting. But I've seen this happen. 1095 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: I've got a good buddy that I got into bow 1096 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: hunting probably like twelve thirteen years ago, and he, you know, 1097 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: he started out like everybody did. He had a three 1098 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: or four or five pin side I can't remember, but 1099 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: he would he was shooting guts or you were shooting 1100 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: shoulder over and over and over again. I'm like, man, 1101 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: what is going on here? And what I think he 1102 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: was doing, was he shoot and try to look around 1103 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: those pins, that rack of pins. And so I talked 1104 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: to him into trying out a single pin site, one 1105 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: vertical pin, and he got You know, it wasn't like 1106 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: instantly better, but his his game of shooting deer correctly 1107 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: changed big time. And so sometimes when you you know, 1108 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: like and I know like a lot of people like 1109 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm messing with a single pin site. What what 1110 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: you don't think about is, you know, I can I 1111 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: can buy the right single pin site like an h 1112 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: H and I can have one vertical pin and a 1113 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: entire site window on both sides. I can see the 1114 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: front and the back of the deer. However I'm shooting 1115 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: at them, and I don't like, I personally don't feel 1116 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: like I have to try to look for that arrow 1117 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: or try to see more of the deer. And I 1118 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: think that we don't. You know, some people obviously don't 1119 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: have a problem with it at all. But when you 1120 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 1: start sliding down that buck fever rabbit hole and you 1121 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: start falling apart, you're doing you're doing probably several things 1122 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: that are screwing up your shot that you're just not 1123 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: aware of. Because it's like like you said you shoot 1124 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: two times a year at deer. You know, like I 1125 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: don't know, there's a lot of things that can go wrong. 1126 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to pin down, especially when those 1127 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 1: things don't afflict you during your practice sessions. But I 1128 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: wonder if you consistently missed that way, it might not 1129 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 1: be you dropping your arm. It might be you picking 1130 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: your head up to look. Yeah, I don't know, it 1131 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,880 Speaker 1: could be I mean certainly willing to try something different. Um, 1132 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: because yeah, it's it's not like I don't get I 1133 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: don't really get buck fever and like a traditional sense, 1134 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 1: like I'm not shaking and freaking out or nervous or 1135 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 1: anything like, I'm very like al right, like this business time, 1136 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: Like this is the thing, this is what you gotta do. 1137 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty locked in. I think my the way 1138 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: it comes out for me is just traditionally has been 1139 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: just like rushing it. Um, just like just that final 1140 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: second or two is is too fast. Um. So let 1141 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: me ask you this, those that that Iowa buck that 1142 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: you missed. If you put a target out their full 1143 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: size three D deer target that size at that range, 1144 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,440 Speaker 1: how many times do you think you'd have to shoot 1145 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: at it before you missed, like missed entirely. Yeah, yeah, 1146 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 1: like I mean, I mean fifty I don't know. I 1147 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 1: mean I can, I can. I can put an arrow 1148 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: in the vitals of a thirty three yard deer like 1149 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 1: piece of cake every time, no doubt about it. It It 1150 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: should have been a chip shot. It should have been easy. 1151 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:47,240 Speaker 1: Um so so then why are you rushing your shot? Then? Hell? 1152 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,200 Speaker 1: If I know, I mean, it's like the body taken 1153 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,120 Speaker 1: over in that moment. I mean I think that do 1154 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,920 Speaker 1: you know what my assessment is Mark that there might 1155 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: be there might be more buck fever there than you think. Yeah, 1156 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: And I guess what I'm saying is is like what 1157 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: I deem traditional buck fever being like shaking and like 1158 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 1: that kind of thing is not my way. It manifests 1159 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 1: My manifestation is like what I just described. So yes, 1160 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: like there's obviously like something that makes it so that 1161 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm not doing a perfect no doubt about it. Well, yeah, 1162 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: and we so I've given a ton of seminars on 1163 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 1: buck fever and I've I'm very familiar with it, and 1164 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,520 Speaker 1: I just look at this and I go, if you, 1165 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: if you're super confident that you would not screw that 1166 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,919 Speaker 1: shot up on a target, there's something going on. And 1167 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 1: if you're not rushed when you're target shooting, and yet 1168 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: you know you're rushed when you're shooting at a deer, 1169 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: like you can feel it, and you know, like I 1170 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,360 Speaker 1: did it too fast, I did it too fast. You're 1171 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 1: it's the mental game, isn't there quite the way you think? 1172 01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,800 Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's one of the reasons why 1173 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: I dumbed down my shoe ooting, because I knew if 1174 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm shooting at a target, I can shoot 1175 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 1: a seven pin site target shoot all day long, no problem. 1176 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 1: But you put a heartbeat on that thing, and I'm shooting, 1177 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, twice as fast as I should. And I 1178 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,400 Speaker 1: just had to declutter my sight window so my target 1179 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: acquisition would be quicker. It was easier to float that pin. 1180 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: And because I knew, instead of me being able to change, 1181 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 1: part of it was just changing my equipment to accommodate 1182 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 1: the fact that I was going to lose my mind. 1183 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,280 Speaker 1: And so like what you're talking about their mine mine, 1184 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,960 Speaker 1: I was always shooting over. I wasn't shooting under. I 1185 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 1: was always shooting over because that rack of pins would 1186 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: hit that deer and I'd shoot before I got it 1187 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 1: down on them, and I just had to like, I 1188 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: don't I don't like this, this feeling of just not 1189 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: being able to keep my ship together when there's a 1190 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,360 Speaker 1: deer in front of me and just dumb the whole 1191 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: thing down. And man, at least for me, it was 1192 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: a game changer. Yeah. Well, hey, I'm muh, I'm gonna 1193 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: be working on working on something new this year, so 1194 01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: that very well might be it. Um yeah, I don't know. 1195 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: It was. It was not fun having that loss of confidence, 1196 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,080 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, it's it can that's a that's 1197 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:23,480 Speaker 1: a season ruiner there. Yeah. Yeah, So that was like 1198 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 1: my biggest challenge this year. I was dealing with that. 1199 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: What about you? Did you have anything at all that 1200 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 1: you found challenging or some any big like mistake or 1201 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,920 Speaker 1: set of mistakes or something like did anything go wrong? Yeah? 1202 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that something's always going wrong? You know? 1203 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 1: I had I had an experience in North Dakota where 1204 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 1: the deer were really really pressured, and so I felt 1205 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,800 Speaker 1: like I was working on one buck that was coming 1206 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 1: over on the public side where I was hunting, and 1207 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: I set up for that deer the very first night 1208 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I hunted and he came in and it looked like 1209 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 1: I was going to have a really short, really successful hunt. 1210 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 1: And he was about I don't know, three steps maybe 1211 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,880 Speaker 1: maybe four or five six ft away from being in 1212 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: my shooting lane, perfect to my left, and the thermal's 1213 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,600 Speaker 1: got me and he took off and I was sitting 1214 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: there going the only deer I feel like I even there, 1215 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, the only nice buck that I felt like 1216 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,440 Speaker 1: I had a chance at just caught me in the 1217 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,360 Speaker 1: only place I felt like I had a chance at 1218 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,160 Speaker 1: him at. And so it was like, okay, time to 1219 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,240 Speaker 1: time to reinvent the wheel there that was. That was 1220 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: a sinking feeling because I knew I knew I wasn't 1221 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 1: working with a whole lot, and you know, I ended 1222 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 1: up shooting a deal later there. Um, so it worked 1223 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,320 Speaker 1: out okay. But you know, it's tough when you're like 1224 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,160 Speaker 1: you get out there and you have those real high 1225 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,360 Speaker 1: expectations and you start looking around, you're like, man, I 1226 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 1: can't even hardly find one, and if I do, he's 1227 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the fence. And then there's 1228 01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,160 Speaker 1: one really good one and you go there and it's 1229 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,880 Speaker 1: like you give him your best shot, and that deer 1230 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 1: is like I got you and you watch him run 1231 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 1: away and it's like, now, now what do I do 1232 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: for the rest of the time? You know, that was 1233 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 1: that was tough. You know, I missed a buck in Wisconsin, 1234 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: so you want you want to talk buck fever um 1235 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 1: that that buck I missed for one week in November. 1236 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 1: You know, came running out and I stopped that deer, 1237 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, wide open from a ground blind and you 1238 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,000 Speaker 1: know he was I can't remember what he was yards 1239 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 1: something like that. Just like that that that deer is 1240 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,080 Speaker 1: not getting away and my cameraman couldn't get on him 1241 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,200 Speaker 1: because of the blind, and so I'm like, well, now 1242 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: I've now he knows something's up. And that's when that 1243 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,080 Speaker 1: was when the panic for me set in, because now 1244 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I gotta let him walk. Then I got 1245 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,720 Speaker 1: to stop him again and shoot him. And I should 1246 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,240 Speaker 1: have just knowing how I felt then, and you know 1247 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,640 Speaker 1: how this is. Sometimes you just get into that mode 1248 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,680 Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm killing that deer, and it makes 1249 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,120 Speaker 1: you take dumb shot sometimes. And you know, if you 1250 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 1: were asking me like right now and be like, is 1251 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 1: there any situation where you're murped at a deer twice 1252 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 1: and you're gonna get him and be like, no, that's 1253 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,040 Speaker 1: a train wreck way to happen. Well that's exactly what 1254 01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,919 Speaker 1: I did. And man, I you know, I shot over 1255 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 1: that deer and just dumb like I knew. I knew 1256 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: when I stopped him, and I couldn't shoot him where 1257 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: I planned to shoot him. I should have just let 1258 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: him go, you know, like I should have just been 1259 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 1: like this was you know, he got me like this, 1260 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 1: he wins. But I knew he was going to be 1261 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 1: in the wide open steel and I was gonna have 1262 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,840 Speaker 1: a chance. But by then, my you know, my mental 1263 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,280 Speaker 1: faculties are gone. I'm I'm screwed, and you can see 1264 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,360 Speaker 1: the results. I shot right over him, and so that 1265 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,200 Speaker 1: was that was a good reminder to me because like 1266 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,680 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, when you when you almost get 1267 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 1: to the point where you don't want to shoot because 1268 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,320 Speaker 1: you're scared of what could happen that you know. I've 1269 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,280 Speaker 1: messed around with traditional bow hunting some in my life, 1270 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: and I had I had one season where I had 1271 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,880 Speaker 1: a good year the re curve and it was really fun, 1272 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,200 Speaker 1: and the next year I didn't shoot as much and 1273 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,320 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't half asked that when you're when 1274 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 1: you're shooting with her traditional bow, it takes so much practice, 1275 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,919 Speaker 1: and I didn't put it in. And I remember going 1276 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 1: out opening morning, and you know, this was I was 1277 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 1: like twenty five or something, and I had a nice 1278 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: two and a half year old come walking down the 1279 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,520 Speaker 1: trail and I just let him walk right by because 1280 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: I was terrified. I'm like, I don't feel like i'm there, 1281 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 1: like I shouldn't be shooting at him. And I think 1282 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,520 Speaker 1: about that feeling often because it's happened to me and 1283 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 1: that you know, that's what happened with that buck in Wisconsin, 1284 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: like and there that little, you know, voice in your 1285 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 1: heads like, man, this is this falling apart quickly. You 1286 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,400 Speaker 1: should probably just take this as a loss and not 1287 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,280 Speaker 1: risk wounding him or doing something stupid. But man, that 1288 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,760 Speaker 1: ego gets in the way and you just get into 1289 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:56,040 Speaker 1: that desire to shoot and you make dumb decisions sometimes, 1290 01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,680 Speaker 1: so like what's the what's the slut and our takeaway 1291 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,400 Speaker 1: or I don't know, like is there anything that you 1292 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 1: is that the kind of thing that you can experience? 1293 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,120 Speaker 1: And then Bill, Okay, I need to do X different 1294 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: or I mean, what what now? Maybe it's the simple 1295 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,040 Speaker 1: question what now? Listen to that little voice, I mean, 1296 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: and it's listen. Man. We're all a work in progress, 1297 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: right and I know, you know, like especially probably in 1298 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,480 Speaker 1: the last five years, I'm really trying to take only 1299 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 1: shots where I'm like, this deer is toast, like there's 1300 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: no question when I draw that bow back, and you 1301 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,720 Speaker 1: know that that that gets me hunting from the ground 1302 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 1: more because I think ground shots are easier, and it 1303 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,919 Speaker 1: gets me kind of that twenty and under game more 1304 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,479 Speaker 1: and more. And you know, but every once in a while, 1305 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 1: just you know, like the deer do their thing and 1306 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,120 Speaker 1: I revert back to my old ways. But I just 1307 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,360 Speaker 1: try to do stupid stuff like that, you know, less. 1308 01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,360 Speaker 1: I want the frequency of that to be less and less, 1309 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,280 Speaker 1: and so I just you just hope some of those 1310 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 1: lessons stick with you and you make better decisions in 1311 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 1: the future, you know. And I guess maybe some of 1312 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: that ties back to, you know what we were talking 1313 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,920 Speaker 1: about earlier, where you know, when when I'm so focused 1314 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,720 Speaker 1: and you know, so much pressure you're putting yourself that 1315 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: you've gotta kill this deer, that's when you have those 1316 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,720 Speaker 1: like moments where you lose control of the yes, I 1317 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,519 Speaker 1: should shoot her, no I shouldn't shoot, and then you 1318 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,280 Speaker 1: take that bad shot. So it's almost like the more 1319 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: we can be more experience or process focused and less 1320 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,400 Speaker 1: like caring so damn much about the final outcome. Um, 1321 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 1: I guess like that it ties back to that whole 1322 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,120 Speaker 1: kind of change of mindset and maybe if I can 1323 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: get better at that, I won't be you know, so 1324 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,040 Speaker 1: you know so obsessively you gotta get it, like you said, 1325 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,479 Speaker 1: like you get in these moments where like Okay, that 1326 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,120 Speaker 1: dear's gotta die, like this is gonna happen. Gotta get 1327 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: the shot, Gotta get the shot, and then you take 1328 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,120 Speaker 1: a shot that you know you shouldn't or you know, 1329 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 1: after you shoot it, you know you shouldn't have, but 1330 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:01,720 Speaker 1: in the moment like, oh I could I can make 1331 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 1: that work? Um, you know I did that. I did 1332 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 1: that the year prior with that talker Bucks after the 1333 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 1: one little tiny hole and I've been chasing this deer 1334 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,360 Speaker 1: for three years, was like, I have to get this shot. 1335 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,360 Speaker 1: Is the first time I've had him in range. There's 1336 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,920 Speaker 1: a little hole. Yeah, I'm leaning down and trying to 1337 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,639 Speaker 1: get through this it's not great, but I gotta try. 1338 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 1: And then as soon as it took us like that 1339 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 1: was the stupidest thing. But in that moment, it's it's 1340 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,160 Speaker 1: like you can't your your your judgment is impaired by 1341 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,559 Speaker 1: this crazy desire you have um and it makes you 1342 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,639 Speaker 1: a flaming idiot. Well yeah, and it's I mean, one 1343 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,320 Speaker 1: of the things that's amazing about bow hunting white tails 1344 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,200 Speaker 1: is you're always you're you're never that far away from 1345 01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,120 Speaker 1: a big mistake, Like I mean, you just you just 1346 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,120 Speaker 1: make them. And you know, like when you think about 1347 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,440 Speaker 1: that that buck I'm talking about that I missed there 1348 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,240 Speaker 1: that morning was when I had that hundred and fifty 1349 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,559 Speaker 1: inter come in that I had within range for seven 1350 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,519 Speaker 1: and a half minutes, and I drew on that deer 1351 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,200 Speaker 1: four times and never never got the shot I needed. 1352 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,800 Speaker 1: And so you think, wow, that's like an amazing example 1353 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,559 Speaker 1: of self control. And then you go out that night 1354 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,880 Speaker 1: on a buck that's thirty inches smaller and you just 1355 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,559 Speaker 1: make a dumb shot like it just you know, bo 1356 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,280 Speaker 1: bow hunting is like so humbling that way, because it 1357 01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,439 Speaker 1: just reminds you how stupid you can be. Yeah, that's 1358 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,200 Speaker 1: that's the truth. Oh yeah, if you start getting a 1359 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: big ego, just try bow hunting for a while and 1360 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,000 Speaker 1: I'll bring right back down to earth. It's a it's 1361 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,679 Speaker 1: a humbling experience a lot of times. So yeah, man. 1362 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,200 Speaker 1: So then if if those are the things we did 1363 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,840 Speaker 1: wrong or that we had mistakes or challenges with, was 1364 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 1: there anything like when you look back that you thought, man, 1365 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,680 Speaker 1: I got that right, right, I'm proud of myself for 1366 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,000 Speaker 1: that reason, or you figured something out. Is there anything 1367 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,880 Speaker 1: that stands out in that way? Man? You know, the 1368 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,719 Speaker 1: thing that makes me really happy about my season last 1369 01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: year was the setup work in the summer, you know, 1370 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,280 Speaker 1: because knowing we were going to film this show, Um, 1371 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,960 Speaker 1: I knew that I had to get some stuff ready 1372 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,800 Speaker 1: to go in Minnesota and Wisconsin. So in Minnesota, you know, 1373 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,360 Speaker 1: I hunt with my buddy Eric a lot, and he 1374 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,280 Speaker 1: and I got together and you know, we were working 1375 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,559 Speaker 1: well together. We made some good decisions and I felt 1376 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,799 Speaker 1: like we just got good stands up. And then in 1377 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,280 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, you know, I've been working with my buddy Adam, 1378 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: and we we did some work in the summer too, 1379 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,479 Speaker 1: in between fishing, and I just felt by the end 1380 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,920 Speaker 1: of August this year, I just felt like my my 1381 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,880 Speaker 1: rut hunt was going to be good. Like I felt 1382 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: like it was gonna be a lot of fun and 1383 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: there was gonna be a really good chance to kill 1384 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,160 Speaker 1: a couple of bucks. And so I enjoyed that part, 1385 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,400 Speaker 1: like I enjoyed getting out there with my buddy. Isn't 1386 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,920 Speaker 1: being like this is the spot and getting a stand 1387 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 1: up and then looking around and and working on it, 1388 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,120 Speaker 1: being like this is a spot and this is a 1389 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,599 Speaker 1: spot and when you start, you know, when you have 1390 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: that option to set up ahead of time and you 1391 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,439 Speaker 1: use it and you get that work done. Man, it 1392 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,479 Speaker 1: just feels good going into the season, like you know, 1393 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna have to adjust on the 1394 01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,800 Speaker 1: fly sum because you always do. But generally that that 1395 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,200 Speaker 1: was the part that made me really happy because it 1396 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,080 Speaker 1: just felt like we got the right work done. As 1397 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:19,320 Speaker 1: a good feeling for sure. I Uh, I wish I 1398 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: had something that I could say, but like nothing really 1399 01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,280 Speaker 1: jumps out to me like oh I really did that 1400 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,479 Speaker 1: right or this really went well. I mean, uh, it was. 1401 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,000 Speaker 1: It was such a season of like close but not 1402 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 1: close enough or screw ups. Um, you know, I had 1403 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:44,000 Speaker 1: like I had a lot of good bucks within shooting range, 1404 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,760 Speaker 1: A couple I chose not to shoot. Like I talked 1405 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: about the Wisconsin one. I talked about the Nebraska one. 1406 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,360 Speaker 1: I had like another Nebraska one that was you know, 1407 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,160 Speaker 1: I was trying to get a shot him. I've had 1408 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,240 Speaker 1: him at five yards drawn back and he spooked just 1409 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,960 Speaker 1: before I came to full draw. I had a buck 1410 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,760 Speaker 1: at forty yards in d C but didn't want to 1411 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: take a long shot there because of just how tight 1412 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,559 Speaker 1: the property lines are and stuff. I had two different 1413 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: bucks on public land in Idaho within shooting range but 1414 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,160 Speaker 1: behind brush. I mean, like there's it was like a 1415 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,400 Speaker 1: lot of that kind of thing. So I guess if 1416 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to like find silver linings this uh, if 1417 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,640 Speaker 1: I if I were to stretch for silver lining on 1418 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,479 Speaker 1: this year, it could be that I haunted a bunch 1419 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,080 Speaker 1: of different places, most of them brand new or challenging 1420 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,160 Speaker 1: in some kind of way, and was able to like 1421 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,360 Speaker 1: find dear and get within range of some good ones 1422 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of times. So I mean, like you could say, 1423 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:43,920 Speaker 1: like that's good. Um, the the negatives already described, um, 1424 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 1: but maybe the I guess maybe the best thing wasn't 1425 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: like I did something right, It was that I was 1426 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 1: forced to think through these things that I just talked 1427 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,960 Speaker 1: about the top, like the whole changing of my mindset 1428 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,360 Speaker 1: and my goals and and how I'm approaching and stuff. 1429 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,599 Speaker 1: Maybe it was just the fact that I had to 1430 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,640 Speaker 1: go through that, you know, over the course of this 1431 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 1: season and start having those like thoughts and thinking through 1432 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,120 Speaker 1: those things this year, trying to get more just focused 1433 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,680 Speaker 1: on the experience and less obsessed with the outcome. I 1434 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,160 Speaker 1: think maybe maybe that's the best thing that came out 1435 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,120 Speaker 1: of this season for me, was was that I had 1436 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: to go through some bullshit to to kind of have 1437 01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:26,040 Speaker 1: that realization maybe, Um. And so maybe that leads to 1438 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,640 Speaker 1: you know what you describe, which is not being a 1439 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,040 Speaker 1: stressed and enjoying it more, and that leads to the 1440 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,800 Speaker 1: outcome being better in the end. Um. Maybe that's maybe 1441 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,439 Speaker 1: that's my thing. I guess, um, But I don't know. 1442 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean it was. I will tell you that I 1443 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:46,000 Speaker 1: felt good about the fact that on almost all the 1444 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: hunts that went on in all these brand new places, 1445 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,240 Speaker 1: like I figured them out pretty quick, and I had 1446 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,400 Speaker 1: opportunities and capitalizing all the opportunities. But I went to 1447 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,599 Speaker 1: a bunch of new places that were all pretty darn tough, 1448 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,640 Speaker 1: most of them, and got on deer for sure, and 1449 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,639 Speaker 1: could have killed a whole hell of a lot, dear, 1450 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,160 Speaker 1: and you know, came really damn close to you know 1451 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,439 Speaker 1: this season. It's so funny, like if a few things 1452 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,120 Speaker 1: went just a tiny bit different, Tony, Like if there 1453 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,400 Speaker 1: were just a few things different, an inch here, an 1454 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,639 Speaker 1: inch there, a backpack here, a branch there, I could 1455 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,400 Speaker 1: be looking back on this year and be like, Dude, 1456 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,320 Speaker 1: I killed five really nice bucks. I got on deer 1457 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,360 Speaker 1: in all these brand new places really well. I killed 1458 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,479 Speaker 1: some big deer. I had some good shots. I tried 1459 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,680 Speaker 1: all these really challenging, hard things, and I figured them 1460 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,880 Speaker 1: all out. I mean, the difference between that story and 1461 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,719 Speaker 1: the story I'm telling you right now is not that 1462 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 1: big a difference. It's like the outcome has been tearing 1463 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,639 Speaker 1: with just the tiniest little bit of chance or mistake 1464 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,240 Speaker 1: or doing something just a little bit different. And it's 1465 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,479 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy to think about that, Um, but 1466 01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,880 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, I guess, um. And so there's there's 1467 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,519 Speaker 1: something there to to think about. I guess I don't 1468 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm I'm not sure what to make of that. 1469 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,479 Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting when you start looking back on 1470 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,160 Speaker 1: like how this went right or wrong and it could 1471 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:15,439 Speaker 1: have been you know, so different. Well, I mean, yeah, 1472 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 1: that's the that's the nature of this beast, right Like 1473 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:24,840 Speaker 1: you you need you need those encounters because you know 1474 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,800 Speaker 1: most of them are going to break bad, right, Like, 1475 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,360 Speaker 1: most of them are not going to go your way. 1476 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,719 Speaker 1: So the more work you put in to get closer 1477 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,840 Speaker 1: to them and you know, get really good setups and 1478 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,680 Speaker 1: hunt the way you need to. All you're doing is 1479 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,680 Speaker 1: going i know, out of the however many let's say 1480 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,320 Speaker 1: half a dozen big Bucks you're gonna be around in 1481 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,400 Speaker 1: the season, the better work you do, you know, one 1482 01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,760 Speaker 1: or two of them really go your way, and that's 1483 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,920 Speaker 1: a good year, you know. But it's just there's so 1484 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,760 Speaker 1: much you just can't control. There's so much that's just 1485 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,920 Speaker 1: gonna go. There's just not going to go your way. 1486 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,720 Speaker 1: That's gonna work for them. But you know, if you 1487 01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 1: if you get to that place like you're talking about 1488 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,800 Speaker 1: where you're you're like, man, I spent a lot of 1489 01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,160 Speaker 1: time around good Bucks last year, then you're awful close 1490 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,519 Speaker 1: to having some seasons strung together where you've got a 1491 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:17,120 Speaker 1: whole bunch of dead ones on the ground, So sold 1492 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:21,519 Speaker 1: all that. All this then being said, what are you 1493 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:28,320 Speaker 1: doing different in If anything, I'm gonna go hunt some 1494 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,160 Speaker 1: more public land bucks somewhere because I kind of didn't 1495 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,880 Speaker 1: get my fixed last year very well. So I'm I'm 1496 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,800 Speaker 1: looking at and I'm heading out here just in a 1497 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,720 Speaker 1: little bit to go scout some public land in Minnesota 1498 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,759 Speaker 1: that I never thought i'd deer hunting a million years, 1499 01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,360 Speaker 1: but I just gotta, I gotta give it a go. 1500 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,720 Speaker 1: And you know, some of the stuff down where I 1501 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,559 Speaker 1: hunted in Wisconsin last year where I was on private, 1502 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,200 Speaker 1: I've been. I've been winner scouting some of the public 1503 01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,360 Speaker 1: around that area too, And so I'm kind of I'm 1504 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,880 Speaker 1: not looking at necessarily like a really new state to 1505 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,640 Speaker 1: try out like I usually do every year, but just 1506 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,280 Speaker 1: trying different parts of states I've hunted quite a bit, 1507 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,080 Speaker 1: and just just getting that public land fix in and 1508 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,960 Speaker 1: seeing what I can do about hunting some new environments 1509 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,560 Speaker 1: and some places that are just different from what I'm 1510 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm used to. So that's that's kind of my goal 1511 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:22,760 Speaker 1: for this season. I like it. Um what about with 1512 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,720 Speaker 1: the girls anything, what's the progress going to be on 1513 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,439 Speaker 1: that for anything. We are gonna hunt four keys and 1514 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 1: those and funds and Spike Bucks and Big Bucks and 1515 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:38,200 Speaker 1: whatever whatever else. And you know we're we you know, 1516 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,880 Speaker 1: we're not there yet because there's a ton of snow 1517 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,920 Speaker 1: over there. But we'll start heading over and you know, 1518 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,519 Speaker 1: probably sometime around Turkey season, getting out and just looking around, 1519 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,680 Speaker 1: getting them into the woods and maybe maybe put up 1520 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,360 Speaker 1: a few cameras for the hell of it and just 1521 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,840 Speaker 1: getting them shooting again. And you know they're they're all 1522 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: geeked up a hunt to hunt again. So that'll be 1523 01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,840 Speaker 1: that'll be a big part of my fall again. Sounds 1524 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,720 Speaker 1: like fun, It sounds like a durn good time. Um. 1525 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna do two things. On my side. I'm 1526 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,920 Speaker 1: going to rebuild my shooting confidence. And how exactly I'm 1527 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,000 Speaker 1: doing that is still a work in progress. But I'm 1528 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,160 Speaker 1: gonna be tearing things down and building them up again 1529 01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:24,240 Speaker 1: and just getting that confidence back, um, so that I 1530 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,320 Speaker 1: don't have those concerns again this coming year. And then 1531 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,559 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to organize and plan my upcoming 1532 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,879 Speaker 1: hunting season to be more fun, better experiences, less stress, 1533 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,439 Speaker 1: changing goals, changing how I pack stuff in and um, 1534 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,719 Speaker 1: and focusing on that kind of thing, focusing on good 1535 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,920 Speaker 1: experiences versus focusing on being the person who posts a 1536 01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,200 Speaker 1: bunch of dead deer online or has a bunch of 1537 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,160 Speaker 1: those kinds of stories to tell. And man, I'm not 1538 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,160 Speaker 1: destined to be that person, and I think that's okay, 1539 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,880 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be you. I'm gonna lean into what 1540 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 1: I enjoy and find satisfaction in and sharing those experiences 1541 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,800 Speaker 1: for what they are and not worry or given a 1542 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,840 Speaker 1: damn when anybody else thinks about that. I think that's 1543 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,640 Speaker 1: going to be what I'm gonna try to do do. I 1544 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,320 Speaker 1: think that's a good plan on your on your re 1545 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,320 Speaker 1: quest to shore up your shooting. Have you Have you 1546 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,559 Speaker 1: ever spent any real time shooting with a recurver a 1547 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:29,160 Speaker 1: long bow? No? Man, I'll tell you what what I do, 1548 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:35,240 Speaker 1: because I really enjoy shooting traditional bows. Uh. If I 1549 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,880 Speaker 1: get into a place with my compounds where I'm starting 1550 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,799 Speaker 1: to feel a little wonky and starting to get inside 1551 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,759 Speaker 1: my head, sometimes I'll hang them up for a week 1552 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,040 Speaker 1: or a couple of days and I'll just I'll grab 1553 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,680 Speaker 1: one of my recurves and I'll start shooting with that. 1554 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Because I don't I know, I'm not gonna hunt with it, probably, 1555 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,840 Speaker 1: but it sort of distills the shooting process down. It's 1556 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,920 Speaker 1: way more difficult. And so if I get that out 1557 01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,439 Speaker 1: of my system for a couple of days and then 1558 01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,000 Speaker 1: I go pick up my compound, it's like I have 1559 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,760 Speaker 1: a high powered rifle. Like it's it's amazing. How at 1560 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,360 Speaker 1: least for me, it kind of recenters me and it 1561 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,080 Speaker 1: makes me realize, you know, like I don't know, I 1562 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,280 Speaker 1: don't know if you've shot crossbows much like I haven't 1563 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,920 Speaker 1: shot him a ton. I've messed around with them a 1564 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,160 Speaker 1: little bit, but they're so easy, Like it's it's incredible 1565 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,560 Speaker 1: how accurate they are that you know, like I imagine 1566 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,439 Speaker 1: you could probably do the same thing where if you're 1567 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,760 Speaker 1: like I'm getting a little bit messed up, you know, 1568 01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: like you shoot one of those, you're like, oh, that's 1569 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,839 Speaker 1: so easy. Why I do that with with traditional bows? 1570 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,240 Speaker 1: And I feel like it kind of helps me stave 1571 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,200 Speaker 1: off some of the some of the bad habits that 1572 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: might develop with my with my compound practice, and it 1573 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:47,400 Speaker 1: really makes me appreciate how accurate they are now. Dide, 1574 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,320 Speaker 1: you just totally changed my whole upcoming season. You know 1575 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,439 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna shoot a cross bow. 1576 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,760 Speaker 1: I would have killed like five bucks one last year 1577 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,320 Speaker 1: if I had a crossbow. That's what I'm doing. That 1578 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:03,040 Speaker 1: was not the message I was trying to get a 1579 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,880 Speaker 1: kid a kid um. I like your idea about shooting 1580 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,599 Speaker 1: tradition a little bit is like a palate cleanser almost. 1581 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Um that I've always I've always thought that would be 1582 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,120 Speaker 1: fun to try and to get into, and maybe that's 1583 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,600 Speaker 1: what i gotta do. Who knows, I might be that 1584 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,280 Speaker 1: knuckle head that all of a sudden it's like, oh man, 1585 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:21,800 Speaker 1: I like this so much, That's what I'm gonna do 1586 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,559 Speaker 1: all the time. I've had a couple of friends like dude, 1587 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,120 Speaker 1: just knowing what a nutcase you are, you probably would 1588 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,920 Speaker 1: really fall for that hard. So maybe do you have 1589 01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,840 Speaker 1: any uh any places out there where you could potentially 1590 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:39,439 Speaker 1: bowl fish with your with a tread bow? Oh maybe 1591 01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,280 Speaker 1: probably I've I've I've not really looked into that thing 1592 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,360 Speaker 1: at all, but I'm then there's carp all over the place, 1593 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: so that probably is stuff you could do like that. 1594 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,040 Speaker 1: I would recommend uh getting a getting a recurve of 1595 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,639 Speaker 1: some sort and getting a getting a bowl fishing set 1596 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,559 Speaker 1: up on it, and you'll start having some fun with 1597 01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,880 Speaker 1: your with archery tackle and you can get those in 1598 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,720 Speaker 1: the right situation. If you can get those little boys out, 1599 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,559 Speaker 1: you can shoot a fish and then have them just 1600 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,280 Speaker 1: hand line them in and they will think that's cool. 1601 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,360 Speaker 1: That would be probably a lot of fun. And you 1602 01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:14,000 Speaker 1: will think that's cool too. I can see that. I 1603 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,320 Speaker 1: like it. That's a good idea. Well, Tony Peterson, is 1604 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,240 Speaker 1: there any ground we have not covered that you think 1605 01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,960 Speaker 1: we should? Are we good? You are? You are my? Yeah? 1606 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,439 Speaker 1: What's her name? Uh? In ted lasts? So I gotta 1607 01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,559 Speaker 1: google this so I know so that I can say 1608 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,800 Speaker 1: that you are my Whatever that is, wait for it, 1609 01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,720 Speaker 1: wait for it, and while you wait for it, think 1610 01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,360 Speaker 1: if there's anything else we need to cover. Her name 1611 01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:49,679 Speaker 1: is Sharon Sharon. Dr Fieldstone, Sharon Sharon. So i'm your doctor, 1612 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 1: Sharon Fieldstone? Yeah, you're my? Yes? You do you think 1613 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,639 Speaker 1: one session is enough for you to get your head 1614 01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 1: right there? Mark? You tell me you're the pro I don't. 1615 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,360 Speaker 1: I think we barely scratched the surface of your problems. Okay, 1616 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,560 Speaker 1: Well what do you say, doc? Are we done for 1617 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,519 Speaker 1: this session? At least we go wrapper up now, man. Yeah, 1618 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,639 Speaker 1: we we covered some good stuff. I think it's good 1619 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,800 Speaker 1: for everybody listening to this to just think, like what 1620 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,000 Speaker 1: do you want to get out of next year? You know, 1621 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:19,600 Speaker 1: like we what do you? What do you want to 1622 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,280 Speaker 1: get out of hunting? Like what's it gonna mean to you? 1623 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,200 Speaker 1: What do you want to do? You start thinking about 1624 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,240 Speaker 1: that stuff and and what you might do with it. 1625 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,120 Speaker 1: It just gives you, gives you something to live on, 1626 01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,439 Speaker 1: especially this time of year when it kind of sucks 1627 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,519 Speaker 1: to be a deer hunter, and just give you a 1628 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,640 Speaker 1: little jump on the season. Maybe Yeah, yeah, agreed all 1629 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,160 Speaker 1: every buddy, Well, thank you for joining me here. Man, 1630 01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,320 Speaker 1: this is fun. Glad I could get some stuff off 1631 01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,559 Speaker 1: my chest and you too, and now we've got some 1632 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,200 Speaker 1: good direction for the new year. Definitely, thanks man, and 1633 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,360 Speaker 1: that will do it. So thank you all for joining us. 1634 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,599 Speaker 1: Hope you guys took something away from these conversations. Hopefully 1635 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,599 Speaker 1: you can relate to it in one way or another, 1636 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,719 Speaker 1: and we and all kind of go on this journey together. 1637 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,240 Speaker 1: So thank you for being you guys, for being a 1638 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,120 Speaker 1: part of this community. And until next time, stay Wired 1639 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,200 Speaker 1: to Hunt. M