1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty one, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Episode one of Daily Like Guys Day production of My 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, May. I 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what that means. What does that mean? Myles? 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Oh ma, oh you didn't know? You don't mean tell you? 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: I thank you? I like, like I said, it's not 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: because I'm in a panic searching what it is. It's 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: because there's just a lot of excitement around today, which 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: is World Turtle Day, like turtles. You saw a turtle today? Okay, 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: See that's in line with the spirit. It's already helping 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: National Lucky Penny Day for those that indulge in two 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: of the biggest days. Lucky piece, Turtle, Lucky Penny. Don't 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: combine them, No, No, two types of ponds that you 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: want to keep. Separate the wishing pounds and take take 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: it back to the turtles of the trevi Fountain. Yeah 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: you go, maybe true. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: A k Mona, Lisa Simpson hands Um. There's courtesy of 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Chris Macklin. I think we're talking about how all artists 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: should take the pressure off of the rest of us 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: and only draw people with Simpson's hands roll right, because 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: we do three about how oh the tweet was there? 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: Every culture has mermaids because legs are too hard to draw. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: Chris appreciate the tweet, especially parenthetical at the end. No 25 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: singing involved, which is helpful book because I'm sick and 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: not a good singer when I'm not sick, So I 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I'm thrilled to be joined as always 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: buy my co host Mr Miles grad Tommy LaVar smoking 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: could uh can't see everything. I'll take a look in 30 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: a tiny book. I'm seeing things. Bro Shout out to Christie. 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: I'm a bouti mane at Wopple House because you know, 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm just these eyes man, these you know, conversation before 33 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: we start rolling, as a conversation after we start rolling. 34 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: This man has a new identity. It's such a it's 35 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: just a market difference, you know. And it's and we 36 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: take our eyesight for granted. And I realized, look, I'm 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: it's the small victories and we did so we talked 38 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: about how you did the vision test after they just 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: sowed your eyes back up, and the you know, people 40 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: in the lab coats were like muttering to one another 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: and being like checking each other's notes in a confused murmur. 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: And we finally got word that not only were you 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: seeing things that should have been impossible, but you were 44 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: seeing what was on the screen days ago. So your 45 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: eyes apparently are able to see through time. And they 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: they're still trying to figure it out. They said, get 47 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: me Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon. Now. Uh, the second 48 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: I said, I read that second line. They know, they 49 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: know they've created a super Antifa soldier right now, you 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Well, Miles, we are thrilled to 51 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat behind acclaimed author, musician 52 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: and podcast host of the new show Cool People Who 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff from Robert Evans and Sophie Lichterman's network, 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. It's the brilliant and talented Margaret killed Joe. 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: What's up? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Margaret. I'm excited to be here. 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't have a clever name for myself other than 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Margaret Unfortunately killed Joy. Your legal name, no, no, but 58 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: it works. I took it a very long time ago 59 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: when I was a much more cynical activist and now 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of ironic. Yeah, your show is very much 61 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the best titles for a show 62 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: and that you know exactly what it is them the 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: title cool people who Did Cool Stuff? But it does 64 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: clash with your name, which is cool as by the way, 65 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: you don't need uh when your name is Jack O'Brien, 66 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: you need to come up with a K isn't ship. 67 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: But Margaret Killjoy does lots of lots of work for you, 68 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, fair enough this show. Like when when people 69 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: hear that cool people who Did Cool Stuff? You know, 70 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's it's nebulous, nebulous enough that someone could 71 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, map their own meaning to it and say, oh, 72 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: maybe some something cool about Crypto. No, no, no, you're 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: giving people the imagination. Yeah, it's still early. It's still 74 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: early Miles Crypto don't Yeah, yeah, why not? It is 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: fun to be the arbiter of cool. Yeah, yeah, but 76 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: tell people a little bit about the kinds of cool 77 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: people that are covered in the podcast. But because I 78 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: think it's just a fantastic show and a fantastic concept 79 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: and much needed type of content for people, especially in 80 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the times we're in right now. Well, my background is 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: mostly as an activist, and so a lot of the 82 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: people that I think are particularly cool are various revolutionaries 83 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: and people who fight against oppressive systems and people who 84 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: carve out their own ways of being. And I don't know, Um, 85 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: we'll see what directions it goes, but for now, you know, 86 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: the first episode is about the anarchists fighting for the 87 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: Hour worked in Chicago, and it did stuff about actually, 88 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: the first two episodes managed to be about Chicago completely happenstance. 89 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: The other one was direct action abortionists in Chicago a 90 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: hundred years later. And we'll see where it goes from there. Yeah, 91 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: we always talk about this, and on the show we 92 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: can generally talk about how so many we just lack 93 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: the imagination for revolutionary thinking and examples of of people 94 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: who you know, really took it upon themselves to look 95 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: at a situation that was untenable and said, well, there's 96 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: something has to give and here's how we can pursue that. 97 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: Because I feel like most people the thoughts stops that 98 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: so fucked up right now, because it is typically where 99 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: because no one has a lot of examples to go, oh, 100 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: you know what, someone so did because in every other 101 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: examples in our lives, we have ways to sort of 102 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: take up for ourselves, or we have examples that inform 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: what a potential next step would be in a given situation. 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: But we've done a really good job in the world 105 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: to kind of dull that sort of that imagination for 106 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: revolution revolutionary action, yeah, and then bury it. You know. Um, 107 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: we we only see the negative examples because there's a 108 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: lot of negative examples of people trying to make stuff 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: better that make things worse also, But they Yeah, I 110 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: keep finding all these examples throughout history where I'm like, oh, 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: these people are doing really amazing ship and I've never 112 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: even heard of them, you know, because we don't talk 113 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: about them enough. Yeah, it's been systematically removed from the 114 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: history that at least I learned in school in the 115 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, you know. But we touched real quickly 116 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: on John Brown, yeah, lightly, and he started and he 117 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: basically set the whole war off all right, next one, 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: and then no one ever talks about the fact that 119 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't alone. I mean, besides the fact that there 120 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: are people directly with him, but he was part of 121 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: this whole, huge network, you know, that was not that 122 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: was like white and black abolitionists. Yeah. I got touched 123 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: about that from history class, that it was a lone 124 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: nuts situation where yeah, this this guy was really had 125 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: his beans up. You know, they're like, all right, we'll 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: give you a little bit. He has some kids too 127 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: that may have been involved, but that's all we're gonna 128 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: tell you about. It was just him and his sons. 129 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, And you are 130 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: not accepting self submitted packets of people telling their own 131 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: story about like stuff they did in grade school when 132 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: they yeah party, Yeah it's still in my inbox. I haven't, 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: I haven't finished. Okay, it got there. I was actually 134 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: just concerned that Yeah, yeah, I know you had me 135 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: on just to check. Well. I think we're done here 136 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: all right today. Well back in actually I was playing 137 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: NBA Jam Tournament Edition. Everyone said this kid couldn't get 138 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: beat and lo and behold I did. Maybe that could 139 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: do it? Sounds cool. I don't know, I don't know 140 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: what you're in definition of coolest. All right, Margaret, we're 141 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in 142 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple 143 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about today January six, they're 144 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: still looking into it. We have some bread crumbs that 145 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: indicate that there there might be something there. And we're 146 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Starbucks anti union tactics, which are embarrassingly 147 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: self incriminating and also not very successful to this point. 148 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: Some people think shockingly, So I think the direct quote 149 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: is it's shocking how badly they're getting the ship kicked 150 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: out of them, uh, fromlimidating from one expert paying attention. 151 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: So gonna talk about that why it might not be 152 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: that shocking. Right now, We're going to talk about that 153 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: study about what social media does to your brain. We 154 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: might even get to some star trek all of that 155 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: plenty more. But first, Margaret, we do like to ask 156 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: our guests, what is something from your search history? Well, 157 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: I picked the most recent thing I searched was last 158 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: night was plastic part broken on Dwalt Miter saw because 159 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: I was trying to make shelves and I tried to 160 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: cut a very acute angle and something broke. Would Uh 161 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: it definitely was wearing all the right safety equipment. Absolutely, 162 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: of course I would never do otherwise. Fortunately, nothing hit 163 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: my eyes, which were definitely protected and and some plastic 164 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: piece of my saw broken. I have no idea where 165 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: it comes from. And I'm just like looking at this 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: part of my saw and I'm like but trying to 167 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: be like, where did this come from? Yeah? Exactly what 168 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: did I break? I have no idea what this thing is. 169 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: And if you search plastic part broken on Dwalt Miter saw, 170 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: you find the US extractor because that's what everyone breaks. 171 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: And Google saved me. Is that what you broke? Yeah? Yeah, goo, 172 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: Google's yeah for six dollar party. You know who else saves? 173 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Jay z Jesus, Like we were both on the same 174 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: way with yeh, I just want to bring it back, man, 175 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: We always got to bring it back to Also a carpenter, Yeah, 176 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: thank you. So are you, Margaret? Are you a carpenter? 177 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: You know? Um, I do a ton of different things. 178 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: And then I realized that everything I do not for 179 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: work cannot be on a computer because I already do 180 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: everything else on a computer. And so I do some 181 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: woodworking and right now I'm trying to like build instruments 182 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: and shelves, sunch weather ship building instruments, yeah, like well 183 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: like guitars and ship Yeah, I build some electric guitars 184 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: out of kits and do some of the woodworking and 185 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: the soldering on them and then but I also do 186 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of acoustic like folk instruments. Some of them 187 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: I build from kits, some of them I just kind 188 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: of invent make ties strings to wooden things and try 189 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: and make them. Get your albums, We're not We're to 190 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: hear your album Feminisical that band camp dot com. Actually, yeah, 191 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: Margaret has three separate, very impressive careers. It's it's like, oh, 192 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: are you five different people? How is is that happening? 193 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: But okay, so your activists you're lutier as well. Yeah, 194 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: isn't that the name for a guitar make? I don't 195 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: know how to pronounce that word or luthierlier English. I'm 196 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: not a good one of that, But I used them 197 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: in my in them in my metal band. Oh that's amazing. 198 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: It's mostly metal. So I do a lot of things. Um, 199 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: the thing that I do that most the most people 200 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: listen to. My band that the most people listen to 201 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: is a all women black metal band called Feminis School, 202 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: And we play a lot of different instruments in the band. 203 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: And I've been increasingly just like making my own instruments 204 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: for it, because why then not? Yeah, indeed, I would 205 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: say to answer, why the funk not? I don't have 206 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: the energy mental band. This is a sign of like 207 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: this is I've I've heard of this with very various 208 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: like impressive people that there the coach of the Indiana Pacers, 209 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: Rick Adleman, No not Rick Adleman, Rick Carlisle like builds 210 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: his own golf clubs and it's also like a concert 211 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: pianist and like all the all these various things, and 212 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: like the point at which the genius starts building their 213 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: own equipment, I'm like, I'm out, that's too much for 214 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: me to I do like that. I like the like 215 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: that sort of rule that you have, like where if 216 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: so much work is happening on a screen, that you 217 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: also need something off screen. And I just realized, like 218 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: even when I play music, like I'm looking at a 219 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: computer screen rather than just like taking my base and 220 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: just amplifying it and looking out a window and doing 221 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: that instead about his screen. Oh man, Okay, so I'm 222 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: gonna yeah, I like that, Thank you, Margaret. I'm gonna 223 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: take that into practice. Section. Yeah, yeah, I'll be curious 224 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: what you come up with. What is something you think 225 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: is overrated. Okay, so I wrote this down before listening 226 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: to your last episode. I think superheroes are overrated, and 227 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with them as a 228 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: you know, fiction trip or whatever, but I'm kind of 229 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: bored of them. And I think that it shows because 230 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: I think all of the best and most engaging superhero 231 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: characters are not the superheroes. That are the shows that 232 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: are centered around like regular ask people who happened to 233 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: live in a superhero world? Yeah, wait, like which ones? Okay, 234 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: this is a terrible example, but I just bench watched Peacemaker, 235 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: and I never thought I would want to watch Peacemaker 236 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: because he's the worst character. He's the worst character in 237 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: that thing, and I'm like, why do I want to watch? 238 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: You had another like Vindication of a right wing white dude, 239 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: and it's really well written. But then the like I 240 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: don't even remember I don't remember actors or character names right, well, 241 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: the like hacker guy in it. He's just this like 242 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: regular guy who's just hanging out with all these people 243 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: who are super trained killers, and he's like, all right, 244 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: I guess we'll just try and save the world or whatever. 245 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: He's he's the I like him, you know, and I 246 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: like the regular characters within right, which is actually weirdly 247 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: a defensive super I didn't even intend to come here 248 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: and defend superhero movies. But but yeah, let's focus on 249 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: the regular people, not the super people. The the point 250 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: oh one per centers of this reality. What about the 251 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: holoy out there just dealing with their normal people skills? Yeah, 252 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: I do. Do we think we're headed in any direction 253 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: other than more superhero movies all the time that there's 254 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: definitely been some like dents in the Marvel armor a 255 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: little bit with like the Eternals and shows movies like that. 256 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at the most popular 257 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: movie movies, it's it is for people who are like, 258 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: not all movies should maybe be superhero movies. It's it's 259 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: been pretty a pretty bleak time, I'd say, since the 260 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic. Yeah, why why pandemic equals only 261 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: superheroes is because you can shoot with fewer characters. I 262 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know. Or maybe people are 263 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: just more receptive to the idea of like a savior 264 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: with magical powers, like in a time of chaos, and 265 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: you're like I don't know who else was the savior 266 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: with magical powers in a time of chaos. Satan, that's right, 267 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: m hm gave people a lot of information. That's what 268 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: I remember. Yea, what is something you think is underrated? Okay, 269 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: I think something that's underrated is and I tried to 270 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: go for something a little bit less earnest, but I 271 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: only came up with something super earnest. When workers take 272 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: over their businesses and run them as co ops without bosses, yeah, 273 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: I see it slowly cropping back up. And you know, 274 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: I know that we're gonna talk about union stuff in 275 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: a bit, but it's just that's the thing I've been 276 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: seeing a little bit more of and I think is 277 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: underrated and more people should too. Is giving us a 278 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: recent example that you saw again, because we want to 279 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: put give people the imagination rather than describing with something. Okay, 280 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: So like there's a pizza shop in Baltimore called Joe 281 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Squared and during the pandemic it had to close, and 282 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: because it was the pandemic, well it's still the pandemic, 283 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: but you know whatever, and it was a family run 284 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: business and the workers and in this case it was 285 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: actually very positive. They the owners just gave the business 286 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: to their employees. Um, I believe I don't have all 287 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: of the details in front of me about this. And 288 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: basically we're like, well, you all want to keep running 289 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: it and they're like, yeah, we do. And so now 290 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: the workers run it as a worker's cooperative and it's 291 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: it's open again and it's doing well. Um, and it's 292 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: part of this kind of like growing ecosystem in Baltimore 293 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: of these worker cooperatives. Like part of the reason Joe 294 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Square became one is I was across the street from 295 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: a worker cooperative bookstore and cafe called Red Emma's and 296 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: basically they all hung out all the time, and they 297 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we don't, we don't have bosses. We 298 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: all yeah, and like why does democracy and when you 299 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: get to work, you know, like we're i mean democracy ended, 300 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, when when money got involved. But but like 301 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: theoretically we have a saying political matters, why do we 302 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: as soon as we get to work, we just accept 303 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: that someone's in charge of us. It doesn't right, Yeah, 304 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: it's like yeah, I'm off to my I'm off to 305 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: my gig or I go work in a despotic environment 306 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: and don't ask questions because then I get my pittans 307 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly, yeah, that's I feel like I hear 308 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: mostly hear about it in like bike shops and and 309 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: like cafes and stuff. But yeah, a pizza place is new. 310 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: Let's yeah, well there's industry to write like um as 311 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: a worker work around wind factory in Chicago whereafter they 312 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: fired their bosses, they like bought it out as the 313 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: business was failing. I don't remember the exact details. I 314 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: think they actually had to stage some like sit ins 315 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: and strikes and stuff to do this. Now they all 316 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: make I think twice as much money as they used to, 317 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: and the business itself is like substantially more profitable because like, 318 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: who knows how to run a business like the workers. Sorry, 319 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even mean to well, I guess I did 320 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: mean to soapbox about this. I like wrote it down, 321 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: is my thing to talk about it, but I it's 322 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: so counter to what we're going down to talking about 323 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: like with you know, the the CEOs mindset is I'd 324 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: like to see you try Oh yeah, okay, I'd like 325 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: this without me, And then you know, it turns out 326 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: that it's much much better when that they do that, 327 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: and but everything else is like propped up. Like people 328 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: will even read iron Rand, like the people read that 329 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: book just to justify the I'd like to see you 330 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: try ideal at the core of America's like kind of system, 331 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: and they're like, just actually well written. That was something 332 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: I heard very early on. I was like, no, no, 333 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: it's not. It's also just fiction. It's a fiction, right, 334 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: But they they found the one, they found that one 335 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: story that's gonna make you good. All right, Well, let's 336 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about 337 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: some of this stuff and how it affects the news. 338 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: And we're back. We're just talking West Virginia off Mike 339 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: too hot for too Hot for TV. We can't we 340 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: can't get into that live. But I'm learning about all 341 00:19:52,680 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: the cool features, geographic features, difference between the panhand in 342 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: the spike spike you think at the top spikey thing. 343 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's check him with the January six inquiries, 344 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: investigations that are happening. Yeah, what's what's going on. There's 345 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz last week, I mean mostly talking 346 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: about the headlines dealing with a request from the Department 347 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: of Justice asking the January six House Committee for you know, 348 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: some interview trans square interview transcripts. And the line that 349 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people focused on was the one is 350 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: that that they asked for these transcripts because they quote, 351 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: may contain information relevant to a criminal investigation we are conducting. 352 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: So you know, we've talked about the whole time, like 353 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: how quiet Merrick Garland has been. Were like, uh, sir, 354 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: you have to anything over there? Is this just kinda 355 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: just waiting to see how things you know, shake out 356 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: with the House Committee and then something's gonna go on. 357 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: But this seems to get a lot of the legal 358 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: observers and furists who are watching say like, oh no, 359 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: this is significant, This is very significant, And I'm like, okay, 360 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: why is it significant? So they say that this now 361 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: shows that the the investigations between the House Committee and 362 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: Main Justice are beginning to overlap in terms of their 363 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: findings of criminal behavior, and that the House Committee, you know, 364 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: because they don't have the power to prosecute, they can 365 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: only refer people to to to Main Justice. That they're saying, okay, 366 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: so the Justice Department is clearly if they're gonna ask 367 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: for this, they feel that there have some firm footing 368 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: to really begin to go after the upper echelons of 369 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: potentially some of the people that may have been evolved, 370 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: which is, okay, that's heartening to hear, but again, I'll 371 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: believe it when I see it. And you know, the 372 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: other things is that because they say the other the 373 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: other thing that they point to that has people excited, like, well, 374 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, Mark Garland famously doesn't like to have anything 375 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: that the Justice Department does or his in his capacity 376 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: and Justice look like anything is being politicized. So they're 377 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: being very quiet. And if now they're beginning to say, Okay, 378 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: we need these materials, it's indicating there's there's clearly a 379 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: new face as that at least the Department of Justice 380 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: has entered. So fine from that vague ten thousand foot view, 381 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: something's happening. A lot of people have pointed to the 382 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: fact that Bennie Thompson, who's the chairperson of that committee, 383 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: has said he's not willing to share that material immediately. 384 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: But a lot of people say this is just part 385 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: of the back and forth between the House and Justice Department, 386 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: where they're just they need an agreement over how the 387 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: materials are used or shared or whatever. But meanwhile, while 388 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: that's happening. The Washington Post also published that Jenny Thomas 389 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: is back at it again or what not, that she's 390 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: back at it again, that they've uncovered even more fuccory 391 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: from Jenny Thomas, who is again the wife of Supreme 392 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: Court Justice Clarence Thomas. They describe her as a conservative 393 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: activist in this fist and I'm like, wow, okay, uh, 394 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: that's that's quite an euphemistic. But they said that she 395 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: was sending emails to electors in Virginia basically trying to 396 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: push them to not accept what's happening with all the 397 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: rampant fraud. The christ from the Washington Post quote the 398 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: emails sent by Jenny Thomas to a pair of law 399 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: makers on November argue that legislators needed to intervene because 400 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: the vote had been marred by fraud. Though she did 401 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: not mention either candidate by name, the context was clear. 402 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: In days after media organizations called the race for Biden 403 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: in Arizona and nationwide, Thomas urged the lawmakers again to 404 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: quote stand strong in the face of political and media pressure. 405 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: Now Margaret as a fellow activists in the Activists Handbook 406 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: with where it tells you you know, be married to 407 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice and send email forwards to powerful friends 408 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: that you met at the dinner party. Is that, you know, 409 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: near the top of the list. How do you incorporate 410 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: that into your playbook? Well, it's actually and it's it's 411 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: in the appendices um because yeah, yeah, because that way 412 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: you can kind of get the sort of plausible deniability 413 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I did that, but I didn't actually 414 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: read it, because I read the whole book. I just 415 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: didn't read that stuff at the back where they define 416 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: the terms and then tell you to u pertend and 417 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: to believe in law but not actually be believing in 418 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: law at all, and then just try and grab power 419 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: by any way you can. That's all. Yeah, it's all 420 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: on the back, pretty standard stuff, right, Yeah. It's it's 421 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: really wild to continue to see all of this happen, 422 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, just on one side. It's just all of 423 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: these just clear as day examples of like, oh so 424 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: we're just doing that and well only waiting for you know, 425 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: I guess these bombshells as we see read constant in 426 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: the New York Times in Washington posts like oh just 427 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: wait when they do their public circus show in the 428 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: beginning of June, the committee is going to have some 429 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: real eye opening revelations, like we saw them happen all 430 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: in real time. So yeah, I'm just I don't know 431 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: what else you got? Thing is, what else could you 432 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: possibly have that in their mind is going to completely 433 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: be like the country's gonna get on the same page 434 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, you're you know, you're right. That 435 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: was a bridge too far. We didn't. I mean, it's 436 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: kind of like what was happening when Trump was in office, 437 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: where it was like every day they're like, we have 438 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: new evidence about why we're going to impeach him. You're like, okay, 439 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: and it's like year three and they're like, what we swear, 440 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: we swear were working on this thing. It's about to happen, 441 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: and we're like, all the bad stuff has already been 442 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: happening for three years. There's worse stuff. Yeah, Robert Mueller's 443 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: twelve Sexiest outfits, Robert Mueller beach ware looking like a beachware. 444 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: Oh no, but yeah, it's again that apparently if you know, 445 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: without the subpoenas that have gone on, and they say 446 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: there's some people that you know, Bill Barrmate actually speak 447 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: with the committee and who knows what he'll reveal, but 448 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, I it's it's hard to continue reading about 449 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: all of this and then just sort of seeing like 450 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: I've yet to really see the justice system work in 451 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: a tangible way to protect anything at this point, like 452 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: any like sucking anything. Ted Cruz just wanted the Supreme Court, 453 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, for his own like for his own grievances 454 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: about how he wanted to use his own campaign money, 455 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: and we're like, this is okay, you know, I think 456 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: we're free funing m Yeah. So the the subpoenas come 457 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: home to roost in June is that when people start 458 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: saying stuff that they didn't want to, that's the public hearings. 459 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: That's when they they're the whole Show and Tell begins 460 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: on TV baby, at which point they're they're just gonna 461 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna show us a tip of January six and back, member, remember, 462 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: oh no, anyway, vote for Democrats. Member. Wait and then 463 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, hold on, hold on, that was it 464 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: all this time for just aree'll ago remember and then 465 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: say vote for Democrats in November. Hey, remember in November? Okay, 466 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: remember remember? Yeah, So I don't know, I'm sure I'll 467 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: find out about it on Twitter if something big happens there. 468 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: But I'm I I feel very hopeless by just that 469 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: the tone of this, the it really does, Margaret to 470 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: your point, really does remind me of the whole Trump 471 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: presidency and Rachel Maddow coming on with the tax returns 472 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: and it was like, get ready, motherfucker's it is time 473 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: we got him. And then yeah, but then I think 474 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: they failed to realize their own closeness to the people 475 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: that they need to hold accountable. And you see how 476 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: unable they are to do that because it's like they're 477 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: like boom, there's like my cousin. Yeah, and they're fucking 478 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: everything up and making life hell for most people here. 479 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: Now fucking get your ship together and you know, pretend 480 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: like you're some kind of legislator, but it's it's I 481 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: think that's what's so disheartening, is like it's like the 482 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: tools are there, but the will looks like absolute lutely 483 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: just fucking just like webs in the wind. Damn. That 484 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: was a good spider webs in the wind. It was yeah, 485 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: anyone whouldn't see anyone who can see his hands, they 486 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: were yeah, thank you. R did a little physical you know, 487 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: I just just want to bring everybody into it. Yeah. 488 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: If Michael Winslow was a poet that of sound effects 489 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: that we would get see, I can't do that. Um, 490 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about Starbucks. I'm making a run. 491 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: What what? What's everyone? No? Starbucks Uh anti union tactics 492 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: have been pretty transparent, open hostile. So it began at 493 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: the end of last year with a store in Buffalo, 494 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: and as of May thirteen, reportedly sixty nine Starbucks stores 495 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: have voted to form unions and nice. So you're never 496 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna guess who's not super thrilled about that Starbucks. Starbucks 497 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: is super thrilled. Yeah. Well, so I should be clear. 498 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: Starbucks views their employee as quote partners, which is interesting 499 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: because like in a partnership, it's usually not like if 500 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Paul Simon made billions of dollars while Garfuncle was getting 501 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: like fifteen dollars an hour, we probably wouldn't have gotten 502 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: Bridge over Troubled Water from them. Also, they like to 503 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: boast about the benefits that it offers their partners, including 504 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: healthcare coverage, and we we heard about this NonStop when 505 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: Howard Schultz, former CEO of Starbucks spoiler alert once again 506 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: CEO of Starbucks, you know, in his memoir, but also 507 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: when he was running for office, just loved to talk 508 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: about how Starbucks employees. Uh so he knew heading in 509 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: that if Starbucks employees had faith in me and my motives, 510 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: they wouldn't need a union, which is how you know, 511 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: cult leaders talk. But this is a detail that I 512 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: had totally missed, And you know, it speaks to what 513 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier with the the that our 514 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: country in general, our education system, our media controls information. 515 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: How was it not like the first sentence after him 516 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: making claims about getting healthcare for Starbucks employees, the first 517 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: sentence after that should have been, actually, Starbucks employees first 518 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: got healthcare in the eighties, not because of Howard Schultz, 519 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: but because they were part of a union. Well yeah, 520 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: but I was there at the times and he so 521 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: he was not. Then he took over as CEO after 522 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: the union had negotiated that, and then went went about 523 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: just spend his full time job became trying to like 524 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: kill the union that got them healthcare. But then I 525 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: guess he left the healthcare around because it's really hard 526 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: to take away good, you know, good things from employees. 527 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: Once they're instituted, but brought in consultants and attorneys specializing 528 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: in anti union campaigns to assist decertification efforts, which is great, Yeah, fantastic. 529 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, look, Howard Sults, he knows what he's doing. 530 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: He says one thing, he means another. He's his terrible, 531 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: ill deployed Holocaust anecdotes about sharing the blanket with his 532 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: fellow partners. Remember that, like cringe, e ass all hands 533 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: meeting he did, and he's like, like, in the Holocaust 534 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: they had to share a blanket in the cars when 535 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: they were going to concentration camps. And that that's that's 536 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: really been in my mind, the idea that we all 537 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: have to share the blanket. And that's what I've brought 538 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: to Starbucks. And you're like, I'm sorry, who are who 539 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: is Starbucks in that metaphor? But okay, And you know, 540 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: I think this is what we've seen too, is like 541 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: all of the pushback right because everyone said the importance 542 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: of that buffalo unionizing effort is we just need a 543 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: fucking Domado to fall, and they know, just like Amazon 544 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: knows one falls, everybody else starts again getting the fucking 545 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: imagine nation, the fucking vision for something different, and now 546 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: look at it, they're just like looking at a you know, 547 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: a fucking wave that they're trying to fight in a 548 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: futile way of their partners wanting to unionize. At the 549 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: national like messaging level, they're gasoline people claiming like, we're 550 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: not anti union, we're just pro partner. But at the 551 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: individual level, they're just fighting dirty as fun. We're not 552 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: anti abortion, we're pro life. I mean, could you imagine 553 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: if you were just like, you're in a partnership and 554 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: like my boyfriend just like, oh, we're in a partnership, 555 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like great, so we're equals and like no, no, 556 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: I mean like, oh no, I tell you what to 557 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: do and then you do it, and then if you 558 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: don't do it, I'm gonna make you homeless, and oh yeah, partnership, Okay, 559 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: yeah totally, So you're an overlord. Yeah, I like partner 560 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: were so last fall, after the Buffalo Starbucks began the 561 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: process of starting a union election, Starbucks coincidentally closed the 562 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: store for two months, innocently claiming it was suddenly going 563 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: to be their new training center, and then out of 564 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: town managers were showing up to work at Buffalo stores, 565 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: not to spy on employees, of course, but just to 566 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: listen to their concerns. Except unfortunately, one manager was caught 567 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: on tape admitting that it was a quote last ditch 568 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: effort to try and stop them from unionizing, and that 569 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: there's a really interesting story about that Arizona Starbucks manager. Right, 570 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: So this manager in Arizona, she taped this like staff 571 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: meeting because she's like, this sounds like I thought it 572 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: was about one thing, and it started they started talking 573 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: about just straight up fucory where they're like, man, the 574 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: unions are bad, like they're just gonna take up all 575 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: this money. And you know, this one was like, okay, no, 576 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: I need to put this on wax for everybody to 577 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: hear later down the road. She was fired because of 578 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: everything that can't the fallout from you know, exposing that 579 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: that happening. But even before she taped that recording, I 580 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: just want to play this it because she actually spoke 581 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: to more perfect union just about like what her experience 582 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: was like working at Starbucks before she finally like no, 583 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: this is all kinds of fucked up. And namely, she 584 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: had been diagnosed with cancer like a month before that, 585 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: and when she was trying to talk with managers and 586 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: things to say, how can I like survive or what 587 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: can Starbucks do to help me given my health condition? 588 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: This is it was just all a bunch of corporate 589 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: funck us. I was asking to have fewer days. I 590 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: was asking for what my other options were. I was 591 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: told I could go on a leave of absence, but 592 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: those are unpaid, and also you would have to pay 593 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: your benefits out of your own pocket. And also you 594 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: couldn't get a second job because then Starbucks wouldn't be 595 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: required to give you benefits, which obviously wouldn't work for 596 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: me because I can't be unpaid and paying bills right. 597 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: I remember calling my district manager in tears. I was like, 598 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: I don't have family, I don't have friends, I have 599 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: no one. What are I supposed to do? And they 600 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 1: basically said fuck you. That goes on to say down 601 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: the road she got there's a bronchitis outbreak at the 602 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: store she was at and she had to come in 603 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: and open because she had no other option but to 604 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: come in sick, and then collapsed at work because she's 605 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: dealing with cancer, She's just bronchitis. And they were like, yeah, 606 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta keep working, you gotta you gotta 607 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: stay in there. So this is like, you know, I 608 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: think many people have experienced things like this. You know 609 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: where you you're up against, you know, a corporation or 610 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: a management scheme that is saying you're not actually a person. 611 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: Here's the deal, Like, we need bodies in that fucking store, 612 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: and I don't give a ship what you're going through, 613 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: and if not, we'll fuck it, you know, like capitalism 614 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: is so brutal. I can toss you out and find 615 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: another desperate person who's willing to completely exploit themselves because 616 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: they have no other option. And that I think that 617 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: context it was. I just wanted people to hear this 618 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: person's voice because a lot of times when we talk 619 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: about this, it's one thing to just sort of describe 620 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: it and another to actually hear somebody say like I 621 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: was talking to my company Starbucks, and they said, you 622 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: better not get another job or else you don't need 623 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: benefits from us. But it also guess that like what's 624 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: so good about a union? You know, she's sitting in 625 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: there and she's saying like, well, I don't have anything, 626 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't have friends, I don't have family, you know, 627 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: Basically she's appealing to her boss is being like, you're 628 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: the only ones I've got and they're like, well, we 629 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: don't care. But that's what some beautiful about a union, 630 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: if it's done right, It's like, well, now then you 631 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: actually have each other, like not necessarily like the cold 632 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,479 Speaker 1: union bureaucracy, which can be good or bad or whatever, 633 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: but you actually just have each other. You can take 634 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: care of each other, and you can, I don't know, 635 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: there's a structure in place to actually, you know, protect 636 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: somebody's you know, they're acknowledge someone's humanity in a way 637 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: that has tangible outcomes. Yeah, all right, let's actually take 638 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come back and talk about 639 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: You'll you'll never guess who decided to come back and 640 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: rejoin as the CEO. It's a major plot twist. It's 641 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: Howard Schultz. It's yeah, that's who you would expect, and 642 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: we're back. And so this is actually something the I'd 643 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: like to see you try. I alone can fix it. 644 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Sort of megalomaniac ideology that I mean, one of those 645 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: things with a direct quote from Trump. But you know, 646 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: the people are also speculating that now that Bezos is 647 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: like got these itchy Twitter fingers about tweeting about policy 648 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: that it seems like, you know, that's usually symptom one 649 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: that a billionaire is going to try and run for 650 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: public office. And so also in in that vein, we've 651 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: got Howard Schultz, the first union killing CEO of Starbucks, 652 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: who had stepped down as CEO to run for the 653 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: office and is now coming back calling it a volunteer 654 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: position being paid a salary of one dollar, which is 655 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: just right in line with that brave we're partners just 656 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: public gestures at a national level, while at an actual 657 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: interpersonal level like trying to kill people. You know, essentially, 658 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: he he's back leading the push, and he immediately announced 659 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: sizeable raises and new benefits for employees, but only the 660 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: non unionized ones, which I think is illegal and discrimination 661 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 1: against union members. And you know, the union said very clear, 662 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, you can do that. You can 663 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: currently you can when they're trying to like get a 664 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement, like we can't actually do anything right there. 665 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: So that's why, like it's for the for the good kids, 666 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: the good partners that aren't taking up for themselves. Also 667 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: allegedly intimidating pro union employees cutting hours, and one employee 668 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: in Denver, where Starbucks employees how to strike, was grilled 669 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: by a corporate investigator over taking home leftover food, which 670 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: you know everyone does leftover foods for garbage cans, fucking 671 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: mouths that need them. Funck face, what are you doing? 672 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm a corporate investor investigator. I mean, there's all those 673 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: people who like put bleach on the like, like before 674 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: you throw out the bagels at night, you better put 675 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: bleach on them so that if any like people who 676 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: need food go in there, they die and they're poisoned, 677 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: because that's what they deserve for not having bootstraps on 678 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: their bare feet. That's the problem. There's actually an amazing 679 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: detail in this story where Starbucks investigators began grilling him 680 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: repeatedly demanding the identities of workers who took food and 681 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: demanding to know who was homeless. God my god, that's 682 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: like they like like undercover unhoused employee, Like that's what 683 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: they're worried about. That's what they don't have a home. 684 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: We better fire the people who Yeah, we already I 685 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: have no problem here. We there we take care of 686 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 1: our employees, which of them are homeless. I still, I'm 687 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: so to what end is that that? The optics they're like, 688 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: we can't have someone who's unhoused working here because then 689 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: that reinforces the idea of the working, unhoused person in 690 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 1: this country. So we only want people who are struggling 691 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: week to week, pray for a department, and that's who 692 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: we want to exalt as our partners. Like what, I 693 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: bet they think that they'll take food home if they're right. 694 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: That seems to be what it was connected to. So 695 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: they're homeless homies or something like that I've read about. God. Yeah, 696 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: they've launched an anti union propaganda website that states that 697 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: partners are better side by side than sitting across a 698 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: negotiating table and doing the standard unions or a business 699 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: just like Starbucks, and they make money by collecting news, 700 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: which is like the first line in on the ten 701 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: things to Know about a union, Like anti union propaganda. 702 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: Everything they've fired over twenty union leaders around the US 703 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: for justifications as flimsy is purposely breaking a sink and 704 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: swearing and yeah, and it's still they're getting their asking well, 705 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: I think because it shows right there, because no matter 706 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: what they do they that die has been cast like 707 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 1: this is how workers feel. This is that too many 708 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: people have experienced the working in America for nothing and 709 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: no matter all. Like all the little raises you do, 710 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: or fucking gift baskets or fucking fleece sweatshirts with their 711 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: name embroider on it, it's not gonna make up for 712 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: the just innate feeling of imbalance that exists when you're 713 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, you clock into a place like Starbucks, and 714 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: even now you see how desperate the company is. They 715 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: recently were like, hey, man, if you if you want, 716 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you got to travel for 717 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: an abortion or gender affirming medical procedures, will we'll we'll, 718 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: we'll cover the cost to travel. But don't unionize. Don't unionize, 719 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: We'll give you that. How about that? That sounded good? Right? 720 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: And they just throw out these small, little like scraps 721 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: to try and gestures if we're changing something, but the 722 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: workers fundamentally don't think anything is changing. And I think 723 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: so it's at this point it's odd to see them 724 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: keep trying this without understanding like you might as well 725 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: try and embrace this and figure out how to make 726 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: it work for everyone. But and the the union dues 727 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: thing always tris me crazy because it's like how bad 728 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: do you think I am? At basic math? Because like, okay, 729 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: everyone who has a union brings home more money than 730 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't have a union, Like you just end 731 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: up with more money. And so like I have a 732 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: like I have a literary agent, right and and he 733 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: gets of every book I sell. And I'm not like, 734 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: oh man, that guy takes fIF of every book I 735 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: saw because he looks at my contracts and then he 736 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: negotiates them up more than I will. I am not 737 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: losing money. I am grateful to pay him for the 738 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: service that he does me of making me make more money. 739 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: And that's what it means to pay a union do 740 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, this guy's job is to make sure 741 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: I get paid a lot. I'm really excited to hire 742 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: him because you are hiring your union reps, you know, 743 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: like anyway. But they yeah, but they always used the 744 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: imagery of like these union fat cats, you know, like 745 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry is the early nineties, like smear at like 746 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: really cats, like you think that's gonna work on millennial 747 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: and gen Z workers don't get funk about like what 748 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: fat cat? No motherfucker I have barely anything, and I 749 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: need to like I need the minimum what to due 750 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: to me as a human being? How about that? Yeah, 751 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: but it's so like the the use of progressive social 752 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: politics like Starbucks is also the place where they took 753 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 1: a day off to talk about race and then like 754 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: try to put it on their employees to have conversations 755 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: about race with like customers. But then yeah, this thing 756 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: about like paying for people to travel and stuff like, 757 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's so toxic to any progressive movement for 758 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: that to be used as a like screen for just 759 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: retrograde like anti leftist you know, fiscal policy and like 760 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: abuse of employees. That's going to do more harm than 761 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: like the right could ever do to to those ideas. Yeah, 762 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: they're like, you can talk about anything but class. We 763 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: will talk about all forms of oppression except for the 764 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: fact that you can't afford to eat food. Right, Yeah, 765 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: let's talk about class collaboration. You'll funk it with crypto 766 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: like wait, huh, hold on, no, that's another Yeah, it's 767 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: it is a very it all comes together. I think 768 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: in this way that for people who are just fundamentally 769 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: like have the experience of lack, none of this ship 770 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: is going to convince you until that you experience the 771 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: opposite of it, until you experience abundance. That's the only 772 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: thing that's gonna like slow down the momentum here. But 773 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: that's they can't do that. Their shareholders will lose their 774 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: ship if things like that begin to happen. So I 775 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I guess good luck with the empty gestures. Yeah, 776 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: the empty gestures the sort of you know, broad like 777 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: word play at a national level, Like it feels like 778 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: that ship, which is like fully what the like mainstream 779 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: Democratic Party and a lot of their corporate partners have 780 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: bought into. It feels like that has officially just run out. 781 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: Like I don't know that the you know quote at 782 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: the end of this that says it's shocking how badly 783 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: they're getting the ship kicked out them. I think there 784 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of people saying similar things about Connor Lamb, 785 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: this Democratic like wonder boy Darling who was running for 786 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: the Senate and got the ship kicked out of him 787 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,720 Speaker 1: by like sort of an outsider candidate in shorts. And 788 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: it just feels like there is a overall movement like 789 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: the all these shocking ass beatings are happening in the 790 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: same direction, and it seems like it would be very 791 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: obvious and like an overwhelming message at the time, is 792 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: right for democrats to like run to the left and 793 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: embrace unions and embrace you know, people, the actual humans 794 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: and workers, and the fact that each time is being 795 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: treated as like, what the heck is going on here? Yeah, 796 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: a pack spent four million dollars trying to defeat some 797 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,280 Speaker 1: early how did she win? A pack spent millions trying 798 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: to the formulas now working anymore. Yeah, it's just there's 799 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: a the sort of mainstream media and mainstream democrat apparatus 800 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: just feels like they're there's just a it's gone dark, 801 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: like they can't communicate. They're realizing, like the relationship between 802 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, the d n C and like leadership and 803 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: what normal people are experiencing is like they're at that phase, 804 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: like in a relationship where you keep saying, yeah, I'm 805 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: gonna do the dishes, don't worry, I'm gonna do the dishes. 806 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the dishes. I'm gonna get to 807 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: the dishes, and they believe you for a minute until 808 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: they go in the kitchen and the dish piles of 809 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: fascist fucking gundam made up of funked up pots and pants, 810 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: and now it's trying to vaporize when all your fucking 811 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: rights and then you're like, what the funk happened in here? 812 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: And by that, I mean turn them into a gundam exactly. 813 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: And also I'm glad you're here. Can you loan me 814 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: fourteen dollars so I can tackle this fascist stack of 815 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: dishes I created with my ineptitude? The funk are you 816 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: talking about? And now they want people to believe that 817 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: ship that's bullshit, And I think that's what they're not 818 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: realizing is the pile of dishes has become too high. 819 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: And what you need to overcome now is that you 820 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: prove you can do the fucking dishes. That's it. Just 821 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: do one of them, fucking pick any one of them. 822 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: Fucking what anything, voting rights, Maybe tile Jacks credit, a 823 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: tile Jacks child tax credit and credit til Jacks credit. 824 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean that that would even sound cool when people 825 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: might believe it was a child tax credit. But that's 826 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: what I think is like they're like, article after article 827 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: is about how the establishment is not understanding what's going wrong, 828 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,760 Speaker 1: and they don't. It's the most basic. They're not dumb. 829 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: They're they're just picking their class allegiance over their ostensible 830 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: political values. They're like, the Democratic Party is the party 831 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: of capitalism as at least as much as the Republican Party. 832 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: And but the actual people who vote Democrat don't like 833 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: capitalism anymore because people eventually figured out what was happening, um, 834 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: and the sort of shadow of the Soviet Union has 835 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: fallen long enough that people no longer have to look 836 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: at that horrible example. And and so the Democrats are like, oh, well, 837 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 1: we like capitalism, right, and everyone's like, no, we we don't, 838 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know. I I don't think 839 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: that they're like, I mean, they're lying to us, but 840 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they're I don't think they're dumb. Well no, 841 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: I think more of that dumb in the sense that 842 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: their their time, like the tools of misinformation that used 843 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: to work really well aren't. And I think they haven't 844 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: come to the realization that the populace isn't feeling no, no, no, 845 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: that makes sense, you know, And they're like, what the 846 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: heck it's like usually do this. I put my kin 847 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: take cloth on, and I kneel with Colin Kaepernick, and 848 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: then they don't. They don't realize I've completely done nothing 849 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: about police violence, you know, or I put a trans 850 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: flag outside my office, and then you don't and I 851 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: don't have to speak on like untold accounts of violence 852 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: that are occurring across the country because I did my gesture. 853 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: What the funk? The gestures aren't working, And I think 854 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: on that level, it's and to that point is, Yeah, 855 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: the only way for it to work, like you're saying, Margaret, 856 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: is that they have to give up the ghost on 857 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: capitalism and they can't do that. So now we're just 858 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: watching it fucking the machine, just like like someone through 859 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: a cinder block that fucking dryer and they're like, they're like, 860 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're sing. It's like, yeah, no ship, 861 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 1: Like everybody's burnt out, like nobody's believing them. Like so 862 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: many people aren't buying the myth anymore, but you but 863 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 1: you're And I think that's the hard that's the hardest 864 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: pill for them to swallow, is that there are more 865 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: and more people aren't his into the myth, and what 866 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: do you do with that? Yeah, I mean the labor 867 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: movement in the US has always been pretty you know, 868 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: has faced a stiff headwind. It's not a lot of 869 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: tail winds for the labor movement. But is there anything 870 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: to learn from the history or you know, activism or 871 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: you know those Yeah, well I can tell you about 872 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: some cool people who did some cool stuff really quickly. Okay, 873 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: so I don't have my notes in front of me, 874 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: so consider this the storyteller mode. When I do my 875 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,800 Speaker 1: actual podcast, I'm like, and in this date, the following 876 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 1: person whose name I remember did the following things. Um. 877 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: But the way that my brain works is that when 878 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 1: the details aren't in front of me, they kind of 879 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: drift away into the story. So if you want the details, 880 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: you should listen my podcast. But basically, like, for example, 881 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: the fight for the eight hour work day have been 882 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,879 Speaker 1: going on for hundreds of years before it eventually kind 883 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: of worked and we kind of have the eight hour workday. 884 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: Very few people I know actually have the eight hour 885 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: work day actually now, but you know, theoretically we have it, 886 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: and it it kind of came to a head when 887 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: basically a whole bunch of anarchists and and other socialists 888 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: started gaining more and more power in the in the 889 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: the union movement in the eighteen seventies, eighteen eighties, and 890 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: there was all these huge strikes, and what people forget 891 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: is that a lot of these strikes they were they 892 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: were life or death fights. People talk about like, oh, 893 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: these crazy radicals, like at the end of this story, 894 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: someone's gonna throw a bomb, right, But what had been 895 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: happening prior to that was, you know, there was this 896 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 1: great railroad strike that started and I think western Maryland 897 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: and swept through West Virginia and it went out all 898 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 1: the way out west is the way they describe it 899 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 1: at the time, which means all the way to Chicago. 900 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: You know. So the entire country from Maryland to Chicago 901 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: was was shut down by this railroad strike. And so 902 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: the National Guard militias, like all of these different groups 903 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,839 Speaker 1: got together and just murdered workers. Cops were just just 904 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: shoot down. Yeah. Yeah, West Virginia in particular, they whenever 905 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: workers gone strike, they sometimes just get machine gunned, and 906 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, and basically at some point people started being like, well, 907 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,800 Speaker 1: we don't we don't like sitting here and getting machine gunned, 908 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: and so all of these labor speeches started being like, look, 909 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,360 Speaker 1: we either starved to death, because that's what's happening, or 910 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: we die in the streets fighting for our our rights, 911 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: and that we get to take home the stuff we make, 912 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: right like, because at the end of the day, a 913 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: lot of the labor movement is just literally about like, 914 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,360 Speaker 1: we made the stuff. Why do you get the money 915 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: for the stuff we made? You know? Because like, for example, 916 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: that guy who's now taking a dollar salary, right as 917 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: if that means anything to him. But rich people aren't 918 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,800 Speaker 1: paid by salaries. Rich people are paid by owning things, 919 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: and so they're paid by the money that other people make. 920 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: And so all of this comes to a head in 921 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: in haymarket. Basically the worker, the workers, socialist and anarchists 922 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,400 Speaker 1: sort of both anarchists get kind of written out of history. 923 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: And actually so to socialists in this country they're organizing, 924 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,839 Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we just want an eight hour 925 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: work day at the very least, and so we're going 926 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: to call for a general strike on May one, eight six. 927 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: And on May first, eight six, like hundreds of thousands 928 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: of workers go out on strike across the country, especially 929 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,240 Speaker 1: in Chicago, and a lot of a lot of bosses 930 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 1: are like, fine, we get it. You get eight hours 931 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: a day instead of like the fourteen hours a day 932 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,840 Speaker 1: often that people were working, and but a lot of 933 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: other places weren't, and so people keep going on strike. 934 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 1: So then at a particular factory, the McCormick Reaper Factory, 935 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: which is a really metal name for a farming equipment 936 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,399 Speaker 1: factory in Chicago, Hell yeah, these people who are making 937 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: reapers all day, they're throwing rocks at scabs. They're hanging 938 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 1: out outside and basically the people who come in and 939 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 1: take their jobs when they're out on strike, they're throwing 940 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,399 Speaker 1: rocks at them. And so the cops come up and 941 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: start shooting into the crowd and kill several people, and 942 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 1: several the people involved in all that were anarchist and socialists. 943 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,279 Speaker 1: But the anarchists sort of catch the brunt of this 944 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: particular repression. So the anarchists call for a rally on 945 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,319 Speaker 1: Haymarket Square on on the fourth they call for this rally. 946 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: Everyone goes being like, what's gonna happen, What's gonna happen, 947 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: And nothing is going to happen. So it's a nice, 948 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: peaceful rally. At the end of it, the mayor comes 949 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 1: and the mayor hangs out and he's like, oh, this 950 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: rally seems okay, everything's going okay, and he's like, all right, 951 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to head home. But the the chief of 952 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,760 Speaker 1: police in that area really really doesn't like these people, 953 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,839 Speaker 1: and he's been looking for an excuse to come in 954 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 1: and not just crackheads, but shoot people basically. And so 955 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 1: he shows up at the very end once people are 956 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: starting to disperse and people are afraid that he's gonna 957 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,520 Speaker 1: start shooting. I don't know whatever happens, and then someone 958 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: throws a bomb at the cops. A couple of cops die, 959 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: and then a lot of cops die in the ensuing 960 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: gunfight because all of the cops are one shooting, and 961 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: they shoot each other a lot, and there's this massacre. 962 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: It's called the Haymarket massacre. A bunch of people die 963 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: on both sides. But a lot of the evidence is 964 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 1: that whenever anyway, cops did almost all the shooting, which 965 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: I honestly I wouldn't. I'm not trying to come at 966 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: someone who's like, they keep killing us, maybe we should 967 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,839 Speaker 1: shoot back. I'm not trying to come up about that. 968 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,720 Speaker 1: So then they they arrest a whole bunch of people 969 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: and they charged them not with having thrown the bomb 970 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: or knowing who threw the bomb or having anything to 971 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,400 Speaker 1: do with the bombing. They charged them literally with being anarchists. 972 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,319 Speaker 1: They're like, we don't like you, we want you to die. 973 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: And so actually the people who defended them, like their 974 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,520 Speaker 1: lawyer was not an anarchist. Their lawyer just believed in law. 975 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: He was like, you can't do that. You can't put 976 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: people on trial for their beliefs in the United States 977 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you can. Actually it's a very effective thing. 978 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: And they got found guilty and they got hanged, a 979 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: bunch of them. And the thing that came out of 980 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: it at the very beginning was this huge backlash against 981 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: the labor movement. They're like, oh, these terrible, filthy anarchists, 982 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: they're throwing bombs, they're murdering everyone, and so there's this 983 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,840 Speaker 1: immediate contraction of the labor movement. But then it it 984 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: came back much stronger once people started seeing what a 985 00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,319 Speaker 1: terrible injustice was happening, and their deaths sparked well, they 986 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: reinvigorated the fight for the day at our work day, 987 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,959 Speaker 1: which wasn't actually really one in the United States until 988 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: I believe the nineteen twenties or something like that. But 989 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: they sparked internationally a huge amount of the labor movement. 990 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,279 Speaker 1: And so there's this like May versus the Workers Day 991 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360 Speaker 1: and every country except the United States, and it's literally 992 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: because the United States is like afraid of commemorating the 993 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: haymarket anarchists. So those are some example of cool people 994 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: did cool stuff. My my My show gets into a 995 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: lot of like the individual people, the individual martyrs, the 996 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,439 Speaker 1: individual organizers. I conjecture about who actually through the bomb, 997 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: who has never been found in history. So you get 998 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 1: your little true crime stuff in there. Amazing, that's amazing 999 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: that that is not a story that we all learn, like, 1000 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: especially when that is the main story that is the 1001 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: undercurrent of all American history up to this point is 1002 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, the fight between labor and capital. And yeah, 1003 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: so that day is honored in other countries and not 1004 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: in the United Yeah, there's like basically as far as 1005 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: I again, I don't have the details in the years 1006 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: and might like burned into my memory. But the more liberal, 1007 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 1: the less radical labor unions were totally fine to go 1008 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: along with the government when to create Labor Day as 1009 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: an alternative instead of May Day, which is celebrated all 1010 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: around the world, and then kind of unfortunately, um, may 1011 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: Day kind of became slightly more like like the Soviet 1012 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: Union was like really into may Day, even though they 1013 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: also like killing all the anarchists for being an anarchist. 1014 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: So I don't really like letting them have it either. 1015 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, uh, And then all over the world 1016 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: you'd go and you know, in the end of the 1017 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: nineteenth century and there'll be photos of the Haymarket martyrs 1018 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 1: on the wall in every like union hall, because people 1019 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 1: are like, these are the people who you know, were 1020 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 1: killed just literally for well in this case, they were 1021 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 1: killed for not eight hour work day. They were killed 1022 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 1: because they wanted to end capitalism. They wanted workers to 1023 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: get to keep the stuff they make, keep the value 1024 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 1: of what they make. No, right, all right, well thank 1025 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 1: you for what a what a great illustration of exactly 1026 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: what we're talking about in the where this lack of 1027 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:17,479 Speaker 1: imagination for revolution kind of comes from. Yeah, and never 1028 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: let people know what they can do collective. Yeah, that's 1029 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,800 Speaker 1: just don't put the instruction manual to that out there 1030 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: or let people know that's a thing. Okay, wait, I 1031 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: have I have a for a second, But then people 1032 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: like that lesbian sex in the UK, they were going 1033 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,200 Speaker 1: to outlaw it, and I think the early nine twenties 1034 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,920 Speaker 1: this came up in some other research I was doing 1035 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 1: about history of a sex, which is another cool thing 1036 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: that people do, and and they were going to outlaw 1037 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,760 Speaker 1: it in the UK. But then you can you can 1038 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 1: read the notes from Parliament or whatever the fun the 1039 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: UK uses to govern itself and they're like, they're like, 1040 00:59:54,600 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: we can't outlaw this because it will give women ideas. Oh, 1041 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 1: because they're like, it's all these men, and they're like, 1042 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,760 Speaker 1: women can do that. No, no woman has ever thought 1043 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 1: of such a thing, except a few Atlantish cases. We 1044 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: can't put into law. They'll go out and do it. 1045 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: Na na, no, no, no, no, no no, keep it legal, 1046 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: keep it. Don't put an instruction manual out for satisfaction 1047 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: of female sex organs. That's the law. And then don't 1048 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: do this, and then don't do this. And then if 1049 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: she is responding like this, don't do this and definitely 1050 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,479 Speaker 1: don't do this. Margaret killed Joy, such a pleasure having 1051 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: you on daily, Like, guys, thanks checking out her show. 1052 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 1: Cool people who did cool stuff? And where can people 1053 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that good stuff. I'm on 1054 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Twitter way more often than I wish I was, which 1055 01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: is at Magpie kill Joy. And I'm on Instagram way 1056 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,880 Speaker 1: less than I way more than I wish I was 1057 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 1: at Margaret Killjoy. And you can find my books by 1058 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 1: searching my name and things like that. And is there 1059 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media 1060 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,919 Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Oh yes, the tweet I picked fits 1061 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: in very well with all of this. Jake Hanrahan War 1062 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: correspondent tweeted on another military enlistment building in Russia set 1063 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 1: on fire by activists. This one is on the outskirts 1064 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,760 Speaker 1: of Moscow. All right, Yeah, they keep going up. Hmm, 1065 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: they keep going up. Miles. Where can people find you? 1066 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh boy, you can 1067 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. 1068 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: If you like basketball, checkout Miles and Jack Got Mad 1069 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,760 Speaker 1: boost these our basketball podcast. And if you like trash 1070 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,560 Speaker 1: reality show, check out four twenty Day Fiance or Sophia 1071 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Alexander and I talk about ninety day Fiance in an 1072 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: elevated fashion. Um, let's see some tweets that I like. 1073 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,960 Speaker 1: The first one is actually from Summerly, who just won 1074 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania despite the outside spending. Dave Washerman tweeted, I've 1075 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: seen enough state. Rep. Summer Ly wins the p A 1076 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,320 Speaker 1: twelve DEM primary, defeating Steve Irwin, and she tweeted four 1077 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,360 Speaker 1: point five mill fire emoji and garbage can because that's 1078 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: how much outside spending was done to keep a freaking 1079 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: corporate dem. There's like, no, no no, no, no, we can't 1080 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: get these people who are like saying stuff about apartheid states. No, 1081 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:33,720 Speaker 1: like talk like that. Another one is from uh, let's see, oh, 1082 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,000 Speaker 1: pixelated Boat atpixelated Boat tweeted, just as Elon Musk predicted, 1083 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,320 Speaker 1: now that he's a Republican, his political enemies are smearing 1084 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,479 Speaker 1: him by making him pay two fifty thousand dollars four 1085 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,160 Speaker 1: years ago to settle a sexual miscard. Yes, the Time 1086 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: Travelers won again. And then finally, just from Jason Concepcion 1087 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,040 Speaker 1: at Network with the three instead of E tweeted, well, 1088 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,919 Speaker 1: I'm a fascist now and it's your fault and that's 1089 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 1: every billionaire after getting roasted online. Yep, that was my 1090 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien. 1091 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,320 Speaker 1: It was the one tweet I read while I was 1092 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,440 Speaker 1: sick these past two days. But see if anything, I 1093 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,960 Speaker 1: was assisting you, was lending you my voice. Alley oop 1094 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 1: and I dunked at home. That was my That was it? 1095 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: There was It was that one. But yeah, check out 1096 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: the robbert Ory episode of Miles and Jack on that 1097 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: boost that Oh yeah, that was a blast, a true 1098 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: play to hear us nerd out. We're going to hear 1099 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 1: the childlike excitement in our voices. Check that episode up. Yeah. Yeah. 1100 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. 1101 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,840 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were 1102 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,480 Speaker 1: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, We have Facebook fan 1103 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: page and a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we 1104 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,000 Speaker 1: post our episodes. On our foot notes, we link off 1105 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode, 1106 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,000 Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, 1107 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,600 Speaker 1: what song do we think people I'd enjoy? Actually, Margaret, 1108 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: are you cool if if we go out on a 1109 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 1: feminine pool track? Yeah? Sure please do please? Let's I 1110 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 1: mean I would let let you pick one. What do 1111 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,480 Speaker 1: you think is a good entry song for people like 1112 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I like metal? You know, Massy Sugar. In a couple 1113 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 1: of weeks but I'm curious what other like, what you 1114 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,280 Speaker 1: think is a good track, just to get the people interested, 1115 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 1: because we we we touched on your your genius. So 1116 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: let's let's indulge, all right. Well, one of our weirdest 1117 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and the heaviest songs that I'm really excited about is 1118 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 1: called I'm a Locked, which is a just Irish for 1119 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 1: a curse, and it is a actually our latest single. 1120 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,680 Speaker 1: It's our adult swim single. So okay, so this is 1121 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: gonna be um a Locked from feminine school. Check this 1122 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 1: out right. Well. The Daily Ze Guys is a productor 1123 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,479 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcast for my heart radio, 1124 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,640 Speaker 1: visit the heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or where have 1125 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,480 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows? That is going to 1126 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,600 Speaker 1: do it for us this morning. We are back this 1127 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,360 Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending. We'll talk to 1128 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:32,280 Speaker 1: you all the fight fight side go by as that 1129 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:39,360 Speaker 1: is why say whi