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Speaker 1: Here we go our two and a Tuesday. It is

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weeks starting Thursday. Great NFL and college football, Ohio

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Speaker 1: State and Michigan Cowboys, and the Chiefs lines and the Packers. Well,

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Speaker 1: we do this every Tuesday. It's getting easier. I think

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Speaker 1: we've reached the point I kind of know what everybody

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Speaker 1: is and I know what they're not. So let's not

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Speaker 1: waste any time before we get to Nick.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Here is our Herd hierarchy on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Heard Hierarchy time. Now go the top ten NFL teams

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Speaker 2: according to College number ten.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I'm gonta put the Bears in here eight

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Speaker 1: and one over their last nine games. Their defense leads

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Speaker 1: the NFL in interceptions and takeaways. They have twenty four takeaways.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're a great defensive team, but they

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Speaker 1: take when the balls in the air, they fight for.

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Speaker 1: They're also the second best rush team offense. Number six.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Ben Johnson and Caleb are a finished product.

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Speaker 1: This team wins close games. Same thing I say about Denver.

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Speaker 1: There is value in that Chiefs did at last year.

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Speaker 1: I think teams that win close games are tight locker rooms.

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Speaker 1: Bears at ten. Number nine the Ravens. Obviously, Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: is not one hundred percent brought pretty last night, no velocity,

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Speaker 1: toe injury. He won't say anything. Lamar won't say anything.

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Speaker 1: Fifth straight win. Their defense right now since Week seven

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Speaker 1: is the number one defense in the league. They're not pretty,

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Speaker 1: They're out of rhythm. They're a little broken offensively. I

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Speaker 1: always say I put Baltimore in the top ten because

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Speaker 1: I just respect the culture, the ownership, the coach, the

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Speaker 1: front office. I don't know how good they are, but

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Speaker 1: they make the list.

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Speaker 2: Number eight.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. Here's what's weird. For the first time in forever,

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Speaker 1: it's just a defensive store. Their offense is conservative, their

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Speaker 1: defense is excellent. At home, opponents score thirteen points a game.

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Speaker 1: That's the best home defense in the league. They've held

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Speaker 1: opponents under twenty points in four straight games. They have

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Speaker 1: a pass rush. Their offense does not give it away.

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Speaker 1: This is rare. It's a boring Green Bay Packer team

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Speaker 1: led by their defense. Okay, and we look at all

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Speaker 1: these offensive receivers and all these stars and we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. It's just a different Packer team.

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Speaker 1: But it's a good one. They're eight. Number seven the

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Speaker 1: Lions third game with two hundred plus rushing yards. Jamir

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Speaker 1: Gibbs is like fired out of a cannon. The guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Their defense, though, major problem. They give up chunk play.

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Speaker 1: They gave up ten catches of over twenty yards to

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. But they can control the game. They've got

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Speaker 1: a home run hitter in the backfield. They've got a

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Speaker 1: culture creator and an accurate thrower. They're unimpressive and uninspiring,

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Speaker 1: not as good as last year. Number seven, number six

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs Listen lead the NFL in yards per game.

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Speaker 1: It's not pretty. Yeah, they could have been five and six,

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Speaker 1: but they held the Colts to season lows in points, totally, yards,

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Speaker 1: and first downs. They're good at home, they're not as

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Speaker 1: good on the road because they're not a great team.

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Speaker 1: But they're a good team, and they're won of four

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Speaker 1: teams to rank top ten, only four in the league,

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Speaker 1: top ten in all major four major categories, scoring offense,

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Speaker 1: total offense, scoring defense, total defense, well coached, smartly quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I have them at six, number five, one inch behind Philadelphia, which,

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Speaker 1: like Baltimore, has a broken offense. Sjalen Hurts attended thirty

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Speaker 1: attempted thirty nine throws against the Cowboys. That's about double

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Speaker 1: what people in Philadelphia are comfortable with. Nine of their

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Speaker 1: eleven games have been decided by one score. But I

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Speaker 1: had a disastrous second half against a hot Cowboy offense.

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Speaker 1: Lamb Pickens Dack five. Number four Seattle the one team

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Speaker 1: I would not want to play in the playoffs. Young, confident, aggressive,

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Speaker 1: and number three in point differential. They're gonna go in

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Speaker 1: wild card team that, honestly, I mean I would argue

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Speaker 1: the division. They're a little more mistake prohem than the Rams,

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Speaker 1: The Patriots played like crap and one on the road.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. The offensive line, now it's a little

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Speaker 1: banged up, but they've only allowed three sacks over the

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Speaker 1: If they score twenty points, they're ten to zero. Best

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Speaker 1: record in the NFL. I think Josh McDaniel offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: once again quietly, just like with Brady, is really I mean,

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Speaker 1: this offense. They just call and perform a really smart

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Speaker 1: offensive game play every Sunday, Number two Denver. Here's why

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Speaker 1: there are certain stats you can't.

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Speaker 1: They lead the NFL with a plus thirty six sack differential.

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Speaker 1: game now way too many penalties, more than any in

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Speaker 1: the league. I could see them beating themselves. They have

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Speaker 1: terrible halves and are inconsistent, but there are stats in

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Speaker 1: playoff games. Oh yeah, they got a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: Number one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the Rams, they're number one in everything.

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Speaker 1: Seven of their nine wins have come against teams with

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Speaker 1: the winning records. They're blowing people out. Tampa is not

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Speaker 1: a bad team. They scored thirty one in the first half.

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Speaker 1: They don't turn it over, they never get penal life,

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Speaker 1: they take leads. Number one scoring offense, number one scoring

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Speaker 1: defense during this six game stretch. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Nate Lanman, the inside linebacker, stole him from Atlanta. Devonte Adams,

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Speaker 1: free agent, stole him. I mean, it's just incredible what

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Speaker 1: they've done. I mean, they went and got the corner

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Speaker 1: What an off season of acquisitions for very reasonable prices.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Let's bring in Nick, right. I'm interested

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Speaker 1: think Green Bay is hard to get your arms around

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Speaker 1: because our entire life, green Bay's been an offensive story

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Speaker 1: and this one they're actually a defensive story, and we're

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Speaker 1: all like they're no good, no they're good. They're just

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Speaker 5: A few things. First of all, good hierarchy. I like

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Speaker 5: it a lot. I am a little surprised at the

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Speaker 5: So I understand the concerns about the Bills, you know,

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Speaker 5: many of which I've been raising for five years. However,

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Speaker 5: the Ravens have not played a sixty minute football game

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Speaker 5: where they're good on both sides of the ball once

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Speaker 5: all year, zero times all season. And it appears whatever

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Speaker 5: magic elicks or the defense took to get good, they

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Speaker 5: took it from the offense, which now is not good.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not a doctor, but Lamar's injuries going from

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Speaker 5: in chronological order hamstring to need to ankle to now

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Speaker 5: tow feel like now maybe after the tow there's nowhere

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Speaker 6: He's just healthy. But that's concerning to me.

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Speaker 5: I would probably put the Bills where you have the

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Speaker 5: Ravens the Packers. The defense is awesome. I don't trust

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Speaker 5: Jordan Love at the moment. I know he's got a

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Speaker 5: lot upside, I don't trust him, and I'm interested in

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Speaker 5: why you don't have the Niners on their cut.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, a prime example. So you ever seen brock

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Speaker 1: Perty's Monday Night football numbers? Five touchdowns, eleven pick, seventy

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Speaker 1: five passer rating. He is not a good cold weather quarterback.

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Speaker 1: We know that Seattle is gonna make the playoffs, Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: the playoff, Chicago's gonna make the playoffs, and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: go on the road. So my point is, I've never

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Speaker 1: thought of, Let mean, let's be honest about brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: You and I feel the same thing. Saula's done an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable job. McCaffrey might as well be Walter Payton. He's

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Speaker 1: the whole offense you don't trust. If I don't trust

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Speaker 1: your quarterback at least earlier or late, I can't have

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Speaker 1: you in that. I mean, you feel that way, don't

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Speaker 1: you Listen?

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Speaker 5: Here's the deal. I set you up to go on

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Speaker 5: that rant just so I can be like, I agree

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Speaker 5: with all of it, and you and I you and

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Speaker 5: I never never wavered when the lunatic fringe was like,

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Speaker 5: you're just.

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Speaker 6: Being unfair if you.

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Speaker 5: Don't acknowledge brock is a top five quarterback That was

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Speaker 5: said by allegedly credible people. Folks are like, oh, it's

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Speaker 5: draft pick bias. Why will you give brock Purdy his flowers? Oh,

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Speaker 5: he's a bargain at fifty million a year.

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Speaker 6: You and I held the line Colin cowhard.

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Speaker 5: And now last year we saw brock Purty without all

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Speaker 5: the fancy weapons take a dip. This year we got

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Speaker 5: the real science lab experiment of I don't know what

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Speaker 5: if you threw god call it mac Jones in there,

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Speaker 5: how they do?

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Speaker 6: The answer is just fine. And now he's out here.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is his second in the last less

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Speaker 5: than two years, his second three interception half.

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Speaker 6: This is his sixth.

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Speaker 5: Three interception game in the last three years. Brock Purty,

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Speaker 5: when he was content being a game manager in the

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Speaker 5: Shanahan brilliant system, was just fine. Yeah, Rock Purty trying

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Speaker 5: to be like I'm gonna show everybody what I can

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Speaker 5: do is a disaster waiting to happen. He threw three

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Speaker 5: it was not five if I were the Niners, because

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Speaker 5: I here's the thing. As long as mccaffery's healthy, Shanahan's

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Speaker 5: calling plays and Big Bob Solas dialing up that defense.

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Speaker 6: They're scary.

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Speaker 5: I'm one more Purdy game like that away from going

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Speaker 5: back to mac Jones and dealing with the contract stuff

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Speaker 5: in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that. I'm gonna throw this at you.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible now? I said when they traded Micah,

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Speaker 1: I said, it's good for Green Bay. They need a

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Speaker 1: closer because they lead games late. Dallas doesn't. Dallas needs

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Speaker 1: draft picks because look at Philadelphia Rams Lions, you just

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Speaker 1: don't have the players. Well, you look at Jerry now,

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Speaker 1: they still have two first round picks. Don't need a

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Speaker 1: which is the quarterback draft. Uh, you can't run them

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Speaker 1: anymore because Quinn Williams now looks like Pro Bowl Quinn Williams.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark's good. They've got over shown back who was

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Speaker 1: a monster at Texas and now is a monster. He's

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Speaker 1: healthy with Dallas, and they're probably gonna get Caleb Downs

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Speaker 1: in an edge rusher. Do we owe Jerry an apology?

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Speaker 1: They stole George Pickens. They got incredible value for Micah.

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Speaker 1: Their pass rush is third in the league in pressures.

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Speaker 1: Do we all owe Jerald Wayne Jones senior Neapoleon.

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Speaker 5: No, no, we don't, because here's the other way to

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Speaker 5: And because he came back to the Lakers a because

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Speaker 6: I think what I said.

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Speaker 5: Colin Coward is out of his bleeping mind on this.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what I said. It was not supposed

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, my friend. First thing's first. Happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: to week. It's just all over the map. One of

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Speaker 1: the things about being a franchise guy, I get the

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Speaker 1: same quarterback every week. Josh Allen doesn't run for six

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Speaker 1: touchdowns every week. I get the same guy every week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is that time of the year when the

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Speaker 1: truth comes out. College and pro football, Ohio State, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I got it at about thirty to thirteen, maybe thirty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: maybe thirty three seventeen Buckeyes. J Mack with the news,

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Speaker 1: heard on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 7: When we have time later, ask me a question about Michigan,

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Speaker 7: Ohio State. I have a crazy staff for you. But

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Speaker 7: right now we got to go to the NBA column

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Speaker 7: because this is a big issue for the league right now. Injuries,

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Speaker 7: this is not good. You know, quarterback injuries can rip

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Speaker 7: apart the NFL Star injuries are killing the NBA. Colin

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Speaker 7: There was an analysis done of last year's NBA All

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Speaker 7: Star Team. For All NBA Team, half of the players

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Speaker 7: from last year are injured in street clothes, out of action. Now,

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Speaker 7: what exactly is causing all these injuries? Here we have

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Speaker 7: it on the screen. Look at all these stars who

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Speaker 7: are currently down and that does not include Lebron who

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Speaker 7: was down is now back. But like Jannis Tatum, Hallie,

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Speaker 7: I mean Wembin Yama, like, it's really not great for

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Speaker 7: the league. The games have been fantastic on a nightly basis.

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Speaker 7: The league is being is putting out are product.

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Speaker 1: Some of these guys are just older players. Curry, Butler,

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Speaker 1: kawhi Yn.

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Speaker 7: Curry is still an All NBA player. Butler's an All

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Speaker 7: NBA caliber player.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say they weren't. They're older players, and they

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Speaker 1: don't want to play eighty two regular season games, and

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Speaker 1: they have the power that they don't have to.

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Speaker 7: So Steve Kerr is pushing a narrative that it has

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Speaker 4: If you go look at it, it's funny.

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Speaker 7: Nobody wants to do this, but that eighties nineties NBA.

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Speaker 7: Go look at like a Michael Jordan game from the nineties.

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Speaker 7: It's walk it up the court, pound it down in

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Speaker 7: the post, Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Ten seconds with his back to the.

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Speaker 7: Basket, dribbling. It's like boring and slow. You go to

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Speaker 7: the modern NBA, it's pace in space so fast. You

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Speaker 7: have to have a deep roster, which is why OKC

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Speaker 7: is thriving right now, best record in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: they got like ten guys.

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Speaker 1: Now I think, I think you've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: older stars. I mean again, these guys have played in

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Speaker 1: a lot of games. BAM gonna buy you. Joel mb

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Speaker 1: Dame Lillard, Tatum plays eighty two when he's healthy. Jannis Butler,

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Curry, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys are old guys, and so it doesn't bother me,

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Speaker 1: but it it And I do think pace and space

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Speaker 1: is the league. So I think Steve Kurves onto it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so tonight, Lakers, paper Clips, if you want to

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Speaker 7: jop on the private jet and come out, I could

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Speaker 7: probably get you a ticket to it. Kawhi vers Luca,

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Speaker 7: we know that's always a great show, but listen, it's

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Speaker 7: not great when your stars are down. I do think

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Speaker 7: I'm with you. Like sitting out a few games to

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Speaker 7: rest up for the playoff. I got no problem with that.

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Speaker 7: On I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to mister Pickens.

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Speaker 7: George Pickens one of the best stories in the league, Yes,

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Speaker 7: in the league at wide receiver. The season he was

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Speaker 7: a absolute heist by Jerry Jones. Congratulations, and Jerry Jones

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Speaker 7: seems to think they want this guy long term.

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Speaker 8: We've got two number one receivers and that's just exceptional.

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Speaker 8: Right at the time, when guess what, our quarterback is

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Speaker 8: probably the best that he's ever been there's nothing that

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Speaker 8: we can gain from the speculating and conjecture. The bottom

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Speaker 8: money is that we're in good shape. He's playing better

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Speaker 8: than we could have even anticipated, and he's an outstanding

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Speaker 8: let me emphasis this again, outstanding teammate.

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Speaker 4: He's not wrong, thick and so far, so far.

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Speaker 1: When they offer him a franchise tag, he may not

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Speaker 1: be happy with that.

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Speaker 7: Well somebody, Uh, we'll get to that in a second,

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Speaker 7: but uh, somebody on Instagram hit me with this and said,

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Speaker 7: j Mack, did you see that Pickens has more receiving

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Speaker 7: yards than everyone on the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team he

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Speaker 7: was last year.

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Speaker 4: Combined Colin, That is a little crazy.

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Speaker 1: The one thing about Dallas and Jerry Jones, and maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just the showmanship. Jason Garrett, offensive coach, Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: offensive coach shoddy, shoddy offensive coach Jerry is leaning offense.

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Speaker 1: I think the smart owners in the league see the

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Speaker 1: value of that. And Dak deserves a lot of credit.

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Speaker 1: He has noisy players in his career, Dez and Zeke

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Speaker 1: and Pickens. Was it's all quiet on the Dak front.

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Speaker 1: Everything always works with Dak.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'll just say this, you know now, let's get

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Speaker 7: to the contract. Colin Pickens ain't gonna be happy with

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Speaker 7: a franchise tag and.

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Speaker 4: I know it's gonna be like twenty eight twenty nine mil.

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Speaker 7: He don't want that. He wants the long term security.

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Speaker 7: He wants said guaranteed money that Tyreek Hill and all

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Speaker 7: these superstars got. He's going to be ticked.

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Speaker 4: Off at that.

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Speaker 7: Okay, And remember what ticked off Pickens was like in Pittsburgh. Oh,

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Speaker 7: I remember we ran the plays. He would like he's

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Speaker 7: supposed to block, he would just jog out of the

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Speaker 7: block and like pretend like he's blocking. He checks out

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Speaker 7: pretty quickly. I would just you know, be ready Dallas,

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Speaker 7: because this offseason could.

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Speaker 4: Be rocky with the superstar Pickts.

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Speaker 7: Final story, Colin is the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 7: You know, Mahomes was having a good year. He's kind

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Speaker 7: of not been awesome in the last few weeks. He

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Speaker 7: is the only quarterback, however, in the NFL with a

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Speaker 7: winning record in games that his team has trailed by

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Speaker 7: double digits. Obviously, that's a great, you know thing to

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Speaker 7: have when you're down. We have a little chart here

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Speaker 7: of some of the other quarterbacks when trailing by ten

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Speaker 7: or more point.

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Speaker 1: Jim Tebow auto Graham and Tom Brady auto Graham, Auto Graham.

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Speaker 1: I don't think war shoes. I think I think they

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Speaker 1: played in flipflop. Listen, Mahomes is great in comeback.

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Speaker 7: I don't know that I can give Mahomes all the

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Speaker 7: credit for the Colt smeltdown. I mean, listen, the defense

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Speaker 7: stopped Indy, and Indy stopped running Jonathan Taylor, you know,

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Speaker 7: psyching with playing scared for whatever.

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Speaker 4: Mahomes is a great comeback guy.

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Speaker 7: Look at that line Colin three and a half against Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I like Dallas is good at home, but I like,

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Speaker 1: can't I can't wait to watch that. That game is

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Speaker 1: gonna get forty five million people. I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: get forty to forty five. I'm not not pray, I'm

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Speaker 1: not kidding here. Mahomes Dak Cowboys, Chiefs. Well there's Nathan

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Speaker 1: else you do, I mean forty four million people?

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Speaker 4: So do you think Chiefs win this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Interesting?

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Speaker 7: Okay, no pick yet from me, but headlines Maniana, that's

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Speaker 7: tomorrow in Spanish, I know J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Ryan daya the Buck guys talking about the big game

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Speaker 1: coming up. Lane Kiffin, I mean this just cracks me up.

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Speaker 1: He could be the greatest coach in the history of

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Speaker 1: old myths. He already is box checked. Now he's looking

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Speaker 1: maybe for a bigger check.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Be sure to catch live editions of

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Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays in noon eastern nine am Pacific on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: The greatest drivelry in sports is here.

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Speaker 7: Top rank defending national champion Ohio State heads to the

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Speaker 7: Big House looking to snap Michigan's five game win streak

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Speaker 7: in the game. It all starts at nine am Eastern

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Speaker 7: with a special three hour Big noon kickoff live from

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Speaker 7: Ann Arbor. Then it's Michigan Ohio State at.

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Speaker 4: Noon only on Fox.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day.

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Speaker 1: That a rough little stretch against Michigan. They're beating everybody

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Speaker 1: at step Michigan. Here's a little Ryan Day talking about

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Speaker 1: the Wolverines and trying to snap that losing streak against Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I feel prepared, feel ready. I feel like the guys

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Speaker 3: that we have going going up there are you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a great group of guys and We're gonna be

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Speaker 3: locked in, focused, concentrating on doing our job, and you

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Speaker 3: just can't wait to, you know, enjoy being together in

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Speaker 3: another person in other people stadium, you know. I mean

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Speaker 3: that's to me, something that's different than playing at home

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Speaker 3: and going into another team stadium and winning a game.

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Speaker 1: Is there's nothing better than that. Listen if you go

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Speaker 1: they lost to Michigan last year, then they played Tennessee

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Speaker 1: in the playoff. From that Tennessee game on to today,

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Speaker 1: easily the best team in the country. Last year, offensively,

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Speaker 1: it just looked different, and this year defensively they don't

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Speaker 1: look like a college team. So it's somewhere between pro

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Speaker 1: and college linebackers, unbelievable corners, safeties. I mean when they

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Speaker 1: went out to Seattle and like Washington at home, it

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Speaker 1: couldn't even compete. It's a whole different. I mean, go

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Speaker 1: look at that arch Manning game, like they're intimidating people.

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Speaker 1: You can't get off off the blocks they I mean,

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Speaker 1: the windows are tiny. Matt Patricia, the scheme, I think

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Speaker 1: Michigan is going to struggle to move the ball, struggle

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Speaker 1: to move the ball. So I like Ohio State, everybody's

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Speaker 1: always afraid to say, in games like this it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a blowout. Michigan better fight like mad in that

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Speaker 1: first quarter because if Michigan's behind and has to throw,

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Speaker 1: is going to get ugly. Michigan needs to score first.

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Speaker 1: By the way, j Mack, you said you had a

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Speaker 1: great stat on this game.

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Speaker 7: So last year's game, Ohio State lost thirteen to ten.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking at the Ohio State box score. I'm going

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Speaker 7: to read off some names for you. These were the

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Speaker 7: running backs Ohio State had last year against Michigan. Kushawn Judkins,

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Speaker 7: he's currently starring in the NFL. Trayvon Treveon Henderson, he's

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Speaker 7: currently starring in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: They could do nothing against the Michigan defense.

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Speaker 7: This was the Ohio State wide receiver room. Carnel Tate,

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Speaker 7: who's a stud and probably a first round pick this year,

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Speaker 7: imeca Ibuka, Jeremiah Smith, and Trayvon Henderson.

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Speaker 4: They scored ten points. Colin. This is more about Ohio

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Speaker 4: State's dominant They got guys every year.

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Speaker 7: If you go back two years, look at the depth chart,

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Speaker 7: it's insane. Ohio State has way more talent. How are

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Speaker 7: they coming up so empty in these last couple of games.

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Speaker 4: That's the only thing that scares me. I have I have.

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Speaker 4: I'm afraid to bett Ohio State here. I'm afraid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one of us is one of us is.

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Speaker 7: Not, but there's no logic behind it.

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Speaker 1: I generally don't. I've bet this game a feud. What

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Speaker 1: is the number right now?

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Speaker 7: Last year they were like three touchdown favorites practically and

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Speaker 7: vomited all over themselves a lot.

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Speaker 4: I haven't even look because I'm afraid to bet Aha State.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they can't be that big of a number.

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Speaker 4: Michigan this year is better than they were last year.

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Speaker 1: I can't unsee the Michigan game against USC. I can't

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Speaker 1: unsee it. I'm sorry, I can't. I will, I gotta.

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Speaker 1: This is one thing I've been saying this this this

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Speaker 1: week of college football is going to be crazy. It's

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Speaker 1: just I mean, starting Thursday, the games are outrageous. Lane,

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Speaker 1: A lot of people that write for newspapers are old

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Speaker 1: and cranky in no particular order. Sometimes they're cranky and old,

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Speaker 1: sometimes they're old and cranky. But what's happening to college football? Lane?

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Speaker 1: Kiffin's right, it's now pro football on Saturday, and this

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Speaker 1: idea that Lane's not being loyal. The players aren't loyal anymore.

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Speaker 1: Here's Lane on everybody saying, well, what will the players say? Lane?

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Speaker 1: If you leave you recruited them, what will the players?

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Speaker 1: What about the players? And here's Kiffin. I've said it before.

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Speaker 9: It's a different generation, guys. I know it's different than

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Speaker 9: what we were in when players couldn't even players chose

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Speaker 9: to go play for their home stage a lot and

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Speaker 9: all that. This is a different generation. They all can

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Speaker 9: leave every year. A lot of that is financially based,

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Speaker 9: and so they don't think the traditional way that years

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Speaker 9: ago about their coach and what's going to go on

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Speaker 9: with him next year. That that's it's not how they

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Speaker 9: think anymore.

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Speaker 1: They don't And he's right, and it's up to college

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Speaker 1: football to create rules where you can't poach a coach

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Speaker 1: because be mad at LSU in Florida. Don't be mad

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Speaker 1: at Lane Kiffin. So I've been talking about this. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot of Here's what's funny. Everybody knows Drake

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Speaker 1: may is really good, nobody doubts that. But the other

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Speaker 1: two young quarterbacks that you're getting a ton of pushback

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Speaker 1: on Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams now everybody and myself included.

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Speaker 1: Bow got off to a choppy, choppy start this year.

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Speaker 1: He regressed good against Kansas City, but he regressed. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: They always call it sophomore slump. Everybody's got film. Defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinators have an entire offseason. Here's throws he makes, Here's

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Speaker 1: throws he doesn't. Now In fairness, Sean Payton's never been

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Speaker 1: good the first four to five weeks of the season,

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Speaker 1: so I mean some of that is Sean experiments. He

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Speaker 1: puts a lot on the quarterbacks back and bow Nicks

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Speaker 1: is still young. The other quarterback is Caleb Williams and

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Speaker 1: his accuracy. He's under sixty percent in four straight games.

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Speaker 1: But in both instances. The reason I defend both bow

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Speaker 1: Knicks and Caleb Williams, they're good late and they win

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Speaker 1: close games, and there is value in that. I mean, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young had multiple opportunities to steal that game. He

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Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Look at Caleb Williams in November. This

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Speaker 1: is worse. Whether fewer of you guys around, you're healthy.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams in November is four and oh seven touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: no picks, third high rated quarterback in PFF and I

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Speaker 1: thought about this this morning. As quarterbacks over the last

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Speaker 1: decade have gotten far more athletic, I mean I grew

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Speaker 1: up mostly well. I mean the Go Go go five

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Speaker 1: years ago, and then go back ten years. It was Peyton,

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Speaker 1: it was Brady, it was breathed, it was it was

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Speaker 1: a pocket game. As the NFL is changing and more

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Speaker 1: great athletes are playing quarterback, should we not then judge

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks differently on completion percentage? Now I've said I like

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Speaker 1: my quarterbacks like I like my furniture, big and hard

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Speaker 1: to move. So I never bought into this tiny quarterback's work.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan

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Speaker 1: of Tua. I'm not a I was never you know,

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Speaker 1: you know Johnny Manzil. I like Bryce Young. I like

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks were big, thick, trunky and complain weather and can

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Speaker 1: take hits. But when I hear about completion percentage, I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm asking the question. It's more of an analytical question.

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Speaker 1: When you grow up with Breeze and Manning and Brady

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Speaker 1: and Eli, it was a different era. Now the position

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Speaker 1: has changed. Now, the offensive coaches are different. Now it's

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Speaker 1: about going forward on fourth down and not kicking field goals.

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Speaker 1: Should we not look at quarterbacks like Bone Knicks and

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams who are hyper? I mean, bone Nicks is

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Speaker 1: the most underrated athlete at quarterback in the elite, and

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Speaker 1: Caleb's got all sorts of horsepower. So why should I

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Speaker 1: be so beholden do sixty two and a half percent

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Speaker 1: completion percentage, which has always been my sort of line.

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Speaker 1: You can't be below that and be elite. I mean,

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Speaker 1: go look at Andrew Luck. I loved Andrew. Look, Andrew

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Speaker 1: Luck was sort of the starting point of maybe we

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Speaker 1: got to get over interceptions and high completion percentage rate.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying when I

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Speaker 1: look at bow and Caleb all it gets pushed back.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I know. One of them's at number one

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Speaker 1: seed that's great in the fourth quarter, and the other

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Speaker 1: one increasingly great in the fourth quarter. Sean McVay said it.

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Speaker 1: Analytics people have all the answers, but none of the accountability.

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Speaker 1: I want wins. I'm not as tied up on completion

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Speaker 1: percentage and passer rating as I feel like I was

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Speaker 1: like five or six years ago. I want wins. I

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Speaker 1: want athletes. I want playmaking. I want the Bault down

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Speaker 1: the field,