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Speaker 1: As we inch closer to the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, Buck,

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Speaker 1: And I like Herndon. I think Hernan is a good

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Speaker 1: young tight end. Yeah, but I mean they need another.

425
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Speaker 1: They got a bunch of twos and threes as for seas,

426
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Speaker 1: so they gotta they gotta. They have a lot of

427
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Speaker 1: work to get done. But um, it depends you. You

428
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Speaker 1: talked about Quinn Williams being a dominant play on the inside.

429
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Speaker 1: I'll make the case for Josh Allen being outside. They

430
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Speaker 1: don't have a proven pass for us, for Brandon Copeland,

431
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Speaker 1: Jordan jenk Is. Neither one of those guys are consistent

432
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Speaker 1: in terms of get into the quarterback UM. Josh Allen Ye,

433
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Speaker 1: the way that Greg Allen wants to play. Greg Williams

434
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: wants to play defense, They want to bring pressure, they

435
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Speaker 1: want to heat him up, they want to do things.

436
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Speaker 1: He would appear to be a guy that can make

437
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Speaker 1: some things happen. We saw the bump that Miles Garrett

438
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Speaker 1: had under Greg Williams this season in the second year.

439
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Speaker 1: Maybe you can take a guy like Josh Allen and

440
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Speaker 1: create someone on one opportunities for him to win. But

441
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Speaker 1: you are right if you grade the player. I would

442
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Speaker 1: prefer to have the inside player Ken Williams over Allen. UM.

443
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Speaker 1: I think it's a mix of how much do they

444
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Speaker 1: value team need over you know, like the talent and

445
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Speaker 1: the player. All right, let's get to the Buffalo Bills

446
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Speaker 1: that pick number nine. UM. I have heard from a

447
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: ton of different people. UM, Jonah Williams is is somebody

448
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Speaker 1: to watch there that that makes doing something to help

449
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Speaker 1: your young quarterback? Now, I would advocate for a different position,

450
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Speaker 1: a different player, you know, where I'm Who's who's like

451
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Speaker 1: my favorite dude in the whole track. I don't know

452
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Speaker 1: who's your favorite Hockson Hockinson. You can advocate Hockinson. Here's

453
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Speaker 1: my thing. The only person in that building that would

454
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Speaker 1: like Hockinson and more than the quarterback would be the

455
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Speaker 1: running back. You can make your quarterback and you're running

456
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Speaker 1: back both happy with that pick because he's gonna impact both. Um.

457
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Speaker 1: He can help you in the past game as a

458
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Speaker 1: as a young quarterback. A tight end is as friendly

459
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Speaker 1: as it gets um and be able to He can

460
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: generate space, he can get open. He's a good route runner.

461
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Speaker 1: He catches everything. So he's a nice outlet for a

462
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Speaker 1: young quarterback. They can I love having a young quarterback

463
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Speaker 1: and a young tight end grow up together. Think of

464
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates. Watch them kind of blow

465
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Speaker 1: up and and uh and grow together. I think the

466
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Speaker 1: same thing here. You get Hockinson with Josh Allen. They

467
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Speaker 1: can grow together and he can help you big time

468
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Speaker 1: in the run game. So once again, we'll we'll do

469
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Speaker 1: this in clusters. Would do Plan A and playing B.

470
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Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that Jonah Williams would be a

471
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Speaker 1: guy that could pick because you remember Brian day Ball

472
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Speaker 1: was at Alabama, him knows him. Will they want. They're

473
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Speaker 1: kind of guys into building, guys that kind of fit

474
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Speaker 1: the culture of high floor, high floor. You know what

475
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Speaker 1: you're buying. You know exactly what you get. Um. I think, Uh,

476
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Speaker 1: the big thing would be Jonah Williams. And what tight

477
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Speaker 1: end could I get in the second round? Uh? When

478
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Speaker 1: they pick they have two twos, I think, Um, we

479
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Speaker 1: gotta get that thing that shows all their picks are

480
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Speaker 1: trying to put that up. I know that you have

481
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Speaker 1: a second round pick. It would be interesting, um to

482
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Speaker 1: see if they can come back in which tight end

483
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Speaker 1: could they pick up in in in that situation or

484
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Speaker 1: can they get it tight end later on they need

485
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Speaker 1: a pass catcher. Uh, it'll be interesting to see where

486
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Speaker 1: IRV Smith goes? Um is IRV Smith still on? Okay?

487
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Speaker 1: So they pick forty, that's the eighth pick of the

488
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Speaker 1: second round? Smith going by there? No, I think you

489
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Speaker 1: could be there. So if they gamble they get to tackle.

490
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Speaker 1: It just kind of depends on do you believe a

491
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Speaker 1: higher rated tackle is gonna be available in the second

492
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Speaker 1: round or with a higher rated tight end tackles are

493
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Speaker 1: gonna be gone, you know. So if that's the case,

494
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Speaker 1: didn't take the tackle. Now I come back and get

495
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Speaker 1: the tight end. Yeah, and I would make a case, Okay,

496
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Speaker 1: I forego, they need help across the line, so I

497
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Speaker 1: would take it in. I think you can still get

498
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Speaker 1: an interior, a good interior starter on the office. You

499
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: absolutely can get it interior player, like you can get

500
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Speaker 1: it into tight end and an interior player, and you

501
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: still could probably get a starting caliber tackle, third round

502
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Speaker 1: developmental guy they pick. Overall, you probably still could get

503
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Speaker 1: a tackle that may be able to come in there,

504
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Speaker 1: like depending on how the draft cracks. But it's funny

505
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Speaker 1: how you are prioritize it, like, hey, get the pass

506
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Speaker 1: catcher in the middle. It is the easiest way to

507
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Speaker 1: help a guy who has struggled with his accuracy. Man

508
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: shortest point right over the ball, sit it down, and

509
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: with some of the stuff that they're doing, they could

510
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Speaker 1: actually get into the r p O game to make

511
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Speaker 1: the tight end a viable weapon. Run some fakes. Think

512
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Speaker 1: about what have we said about We've been very consistent

513
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Speaker 1: saying what we would do with the Buffalo Bills build

514
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Speaker 1: a tract team, right, So they've done that, they go

515
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Speaker 1: out and get John Brown. Robert Foster can fly. Uh

516
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Speaker 1: they've got speed. Now, So now that you've got some

517
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Speaker 1: speed vertically, what does that do? It creates space in

518
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field for ten. It's a complimentary offense.

519
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: You're building right there, right and if you're committed to

520
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: grinding the ball at which they should be committed now,

521
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Speaker 1: and he's gonna help you in the ground and pound

522
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Speaker 1: game because he's still good run game. I just think

523
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Speaker 1: he's a perfect fit for that team. He is. They

524
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Speaker 1: are older at running back now, they're over McCoy and

525
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Speaker 1: Frank were. At some point. They got to get a

526
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Speaker 1: young runner find I would like one, I know, I

527
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Speaker 1: like I would like to paramoute with another young young

528
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Speaker 1: runner back and maybe in the fourth round that's where

529
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Speaker 1: you go. But this is a team to think should

530
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Speaker 1: run it and run it and run it, and then

531
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Speaker 1: when they throw it, they throw it down the field.

532
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Speaker 1: And so they're certainly uh C validity to the plan

533
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Speaker 1: that you talk about getting to tighten coming back and

534
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Speaker 1: get into your blocker and then get another offensive tackle

535
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Speaker 1: to kind of complete it. When I have a young quarterback,

536
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Speaker 1: if I'm a decision maker I'm building up my offense,

537
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Speaker 1: I might give up some points if we're if we

538
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Speaker 1: lose some games and we're scoring points in my quarterbacks

539
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: showing signs, he's the guy that we're right on track.

540
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Speaker 1: To me, I mean, you can build up that defense

541
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Speaker 1: and lose every week thirteen to ten. Nobody's happy you're

542
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: losing games, you're not scoring points at quarterbacks. They progressing.

543
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: That's that's the and they and they've committed like the

544
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. If you really look at their defense,

545
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: they played pretty decent defense last year for the most part.

546
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: I know they played good defense. They've got looking at

547
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at them, Trim Murphy, they got Starlett, Jerry Hughes,

548
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: Matt Milana. I could get a better back, but that's fine.

549
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: I could play around it. They do need another same

550
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: line back of Lorenzo Alexander is there guy, but in

551
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Speaker 1: the secondary there solid in the secondary, so they can

552
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Speaker 1: find someone. But you're right, they can go all in

553
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: with their offense. They got those you talk about the

554
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: pass catchers. John Brown's a genals, Cole Beasley coming over.

555
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: You get a nice tight end. Yeah, because right now,

556
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying so I don't know. I think

557
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: it's I go offense there. I know there's a lot

558
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: of talking about them taking a defensive lineman, but um,

559
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be either Jonah Williams or Hawkins. And

560
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: that's my uh, that's my ca. You know they signed

561
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: Jake Fisher to be a tight and I'll be a

562
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: big blocking tight end. Now they got to actually a

563
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: tight end. Hockinson actually plays the position deat neat thing there. Um,

564
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: how about Baltimore Buck. I'm gonna make this quick and painless. Hey,

565
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: they're not picking it twenty two. They're out Lark Jackson

566
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Speaker 1: cost him a second round pick. They don't have a

567
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Speaker 1: second round pick Eric to costas first draft. Eric's gonna

568
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: want to move around a little bit. Why I show

569
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Speaker 1: people that he's smart and everybody's gonna move around. He's

570
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: gonna move around, get some extra picks. But what I gay,

571
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: I need players. I'll tell you right now. We want

572
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Speaker 1: to we want to do Chick fil A. They pick

573
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Speaker 1: it chick fil A on me, Oh my god. Okay,

574
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: So I'll make it this two combos. So that will

575
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Speaker 1: go to combo meals on that to combo meals. Okay,

576
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: here here, here's what I will say about your theory.

577
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: To take down, to move down, everyone in the building

578
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: will tell you that they need wide receivers. What a

579
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: good thing about this? Do they think they do? Do

580
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: they care about wide receivers? They have to have they

581
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: have to have some tech because you can't get free

582
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: agent play four tight ends. Man, there, let's go, come on,

583
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: be for real, ground and pound. You know what. One

584
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: thing about them on the Ravens I would keep an

585
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: eye on is uh can I make one pick for them? Yes? Okay,

586
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go. Uh, let's go fifth or sixth round,

587
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth round, And I'm gonna say, trace McSorley

588
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: to get you a young young quarterback that can do

589
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: everything you can do, can play the type of game

590
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: that they want to play as a young backup because

591
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: r G three not gonna be there forever. Trace McSorley

592
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: to the Ravens. That's I'm doing that. That's where we're

593
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: going with you like that? I mean, you know the

594
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: other one I was thinking of would be Nick Fitzgerald.

595
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: Dick Ferald ran a four six four. He can move, okay,

596
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: so happened to watch him tonight. I think they'd beat

597
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: all and he ran like he oh yeah, he just

598
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: runs it. He ran like a man. But I'm saying,

599
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: like Lamar, he's gonna get nicked up at some point

600
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: in time running like this. If you if you can

601
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: be okay with the size, I think you'd be fun.

602
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: I'll be fun the preseason, just those tight ends out there,

603
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: just running pop pass. I mean, just go, just go

604
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: all in. You're just talking about going all in with

605
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: just save this? You remember to save this. When they

606
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: picked him in the fifth he like like, here's was

607
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: dye fair? I believe you get insider trade. Oh no,

608
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: there's no inside information. That's just that's that's that's just cut.

609
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: That's just cut. Um Cleveland. No first round pick gotta give.

610
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, they don't need to give Baker Mayfield me help.

611
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: They got all the help he needed what they've done

612
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: in the offseason. Pick forty nine in the second round.

613
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I put down your guy, Taylor Rap, Oh look at you.

614
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: That's why I got who'd you? Who'd you throw down there?

615
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Zach Allen? Okay, Zach Allen, hard nosed, tough guy. To

616
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: get rid of Emanu Agba. They need someone they can

617
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: throw into rotation. He's a solid guy. Kind of strikes

618
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: me as the right kind of guy, right temperament. It's

619
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Speaker 1: gonna play hard, physical, rugged. I think in the second round,

620
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: middle second round, man, they're there. Their front though on

621
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: paper looks good man because obviously we know what Myles

622
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: Garrett Larryogan job. If people don't know, it's really good player.

623
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson is a first round pick for reasons. Come on,

624
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: dynamic and come on, come on, come on. It's a

625
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: good look. That's the thing. Like, So, I've been messing around,

626
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: like and I know we don't like to refer to

627
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: the other podcast, but the Around the Around NFL podcast

628
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: A ten. I've been messing with Mark Sessler because Mark

629
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Sessler has been the perpetual underdog for ever. Talking about

630
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and I walk in, I'm like, hey,

631
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: but the different being the champions, different than you walk

632
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: you walking in the building, now you got to you

633
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: should have your chest boat down. It makes me nervous.

634
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Speaker 1: I was like, embrace it, embrace it because right now,

635
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: on paper, they are loaded compared to the other teams

636
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: in the division. Yeah, they are the most talented. I

637
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: think the hardball came out and said that even that

638
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: the Browns are the most talented. Now let's see how

639
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: it all comes. You know, you know they like to

640
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: But the other thing I would keep an eye on

641
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: with them is, uh, you know, if Jeffrey Simmons starts

642
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: to slip a little bit, Dorsey's not gonna be able

643
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: to help himself. Oh they can go get him, Go

644
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: get him, get him. You can't. You can't have enough

645
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: good players. He's he is a fantastic player. All right,

646
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: that was fun little exercise. How about a running back?

647
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Give me a late round running back or a free agent?

648
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: We got one, kind of be this year's Philiplins. Who

649
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: I got one? Man? I believe it. Running back production matters. No,

650
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going Miles Gasking. I'm actually going Benny Snail

651
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: from Kentucky style of of Philips opposite style. But at

652
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: running back that I think is gonna have success. Three

653
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: one tho yard season. You guy had thirty eight touchdowns.

654
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: He's tough, he's physical, he's a finisher. And in fact,

655
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: the team that you're talking about, the Baltimore Ravens, to me,

656
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: he is perfect in this system. Downhill, no friels, straight ahead,

657
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: no nonsense, gonna finish it. I think he'd be a

658
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: terrific fit. Yeah. To me, the challenge is with these

659
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: guys that I like, I give higher grades to, so

660
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: to say they're gonna be late round picks. Normally, what

661
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: happens is you get a guy you like, the rest

662
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: of the league doesn't like, and then that ends up

663
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: being your late round pick. So trying to look to

664
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: the guys I have in the lower levels, it's hard

665
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: to pluck one of those guys from the pile. But

666
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a homer for a second buck because

667
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I do think I have Jalen Moore. I gave him

668
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: what equates to like a third or fourth round grade.

669
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: We were were we threw your bone the other day.

670
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: He's a good player man. J D broke him down.

671
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: Did he broke him down? Jalen Moore? Yeah, we talked.

672
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: We talked about him. He talked about kind of forget

673
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: about him because he got hurt and I wasn't able

674
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: to participate in the Senior Bowl with a combine. Um.

675
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: But he is a he's a good player man. Balance

676
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: toughness can make you miss. I still think he probably goes.

677
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: I was just putting this little board together where not

678
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: just where I have guys where I think they'll end

679
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: up going. And I had him, Uh, I had him

680
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: fourth round. I think he got a chance to go

681
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: in that range. Solid size, athleticism, a lot to like,

682
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: really good against Penn State. But that's kind of my

683
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I guess there. All right, you want to get to

684
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: this interview with Jonathan Abram. All right, here's my chat

685
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: with Mississippi State safety one of my favorites in the draft,

686
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram. I couldn't be more excited to be joined by.

687
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's a lot of players I enjoy

688
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: watching tape in this draft, but there's nothing I enjoyed

689
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: watching more than this one right here, Jonathan Abram from

690
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. What's going on? John? How you doing? Boy?

691
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. How about yourself? You can be honest,

692
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: you're you were a little bit disappointed that I am

693
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: I am today. Just other world knows. I'm a little

694
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: disappointed in my favorite end it didn't come see me today.

695
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: They look I made time. I mean I just had to.

696
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I just had to take my daughter to her soccer game.

697
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do ours. Definitely. We got the fam

698
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: we do the family thing. We gotta tell the story

699
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: because I've I've never told I don't think I've told

700
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: this story on the on the show before. But you

701
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: got my phone number and then we ended up talking.

702
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: This is before this is like right after the season, right,

703
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: this is before even the Senior Bowl. But tell everybody

704
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: how that came about it, and then what that conversation

705
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: was all about. Um, you know, just shout out to

706
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Amanda in the network, but she kind of she linked

707
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: me and you and just talking. You know, we were

708
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: just you know, talking about the you know, the football side,

709
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: and then end up getting to the family side, and

710
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: you know we both have you know, younger kids. So

711
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: it was interesting. We hit it off right away. Make

712
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: me wish I was back in it. What's it was

713
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: a true love story? Yeah, I was a love story

714
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: right at the beginning. I bet you a man is

715
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: smiling back there right now. She made the love connection.

716
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: She was She was the Chuck Woolery that's too old

717
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: for you, a reference for you, but uh, let's go back.

718
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, speaking of love connections, the

719
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: first time you fell in love of football, when did

720
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: you realize, like Okay, this is what I want to do.

721
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I was like eight years old. I was in second

722
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: grade and I got to watch like the pee wee

723
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: football practice, and I was just like, I really want

724
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: to play football. But at the time I had watched

725
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: it was just like you were too young. You gotta wait.

726
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: Get away too like ten years old. So when they

727
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: let me end up coming out because I was bigger

728
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: than everybody, I scored my we won the championship. Actually

729
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: my first year, we were in the quarterback bootleg unlimited

730
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: amount of times. I schooled nine times on it when

731
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: you were the quarterback at all? Right, So then take

732
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: me through high school. Take me through high school, and uh,

733
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: what kind of a high school player? I know you

734
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: ended up going to Georgia before you went to Mississippi State,

735
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: But walk me through your high school career a little bit.

736
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: What position did you play? How'd your teams do? Tell

737
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: me about it. So high school, my ninth grade year,

738
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I was only the only freshman to play of all

739
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: the juniors and seniors, actually only ninth thirteen grader. And

740
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: when we're going to the state championship, had Danny Does

741
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: and running back Xavier gunn Do end him going on

742
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. So we got to State. My freshman year,

743
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: we end the Blues into West Bolivar. I was so devastated.

744
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: So I actually played quarterback and safety, but I only

745
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: played safety my freshman year. Ten grade year, I played

746
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: quarterback and safety. We end up getting to South State.

747
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: We end up losing to bass Field. You know Jamal Peters,

748
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: So you know that was my riding. We played those

749
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: guys every single year, so I went up losing to

750
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: them in South State seventeen and fourteen. They end up

751
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: scoring the last drive like ten seconds to go in

752
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: the game, heartbreaker. They jog the bau SENI you five yards,

753
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: So it was it was devastating. Eleven grade year, played

754
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: those guys again. They end up beating us in South

755
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: State again. My senior year, my junior was an amazing year.

756
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: I actually got to stay rickored that year, scored sixty

757
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Um senior year, lost in South State again,

758
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: but four over. They wanted five times in a row.

759
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: They want it five times in a row. Like the

760
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: culture there is, it's deep. They have a really great

761
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: They don't around, they don't mess around. Then why Georgia,

762
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: why did you go to Georgia was prew It. It

763
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: was that was something. It was Coach brew It. You know,

764
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: he showed me so much love and I just felt

765
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: like that if he was gonna make sure that I

766
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: was good while I was in Mississippi, he would look

767
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: after me and Georgia, and he did. He was a

768
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: really great, really great guy, really great coach. You know,

769
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: I can't say another good things about him. And then

770
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: for those who haven't in the story, I know you've

771
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: told hem a million times, but what went into your

772
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: decision to transfer and go spend a year to j

773
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: C and then end up Mississippi State walking through that

774
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: journey so ultimately, you know, they end up getting rid

775
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: of coach Rick, you know, bringing in Kirby, got rid

776
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: of coach Pruit and you know, meet him talk. He

777
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: wanted me to come with him to Alabama, And like

778
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I said, I solely went to Georgia because of Coach Bruit.

779
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: So I just decided that it would be best for

780
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: me to get out of there. Talk to Kirby. You know,

781
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: he wanted me to go through the spring. You know,

782
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: it was nothing bad, no bad blood they re offered

783
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: me when I got to Junior College at Georgia. But

784
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: I just felt like it was best for me to

785
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: get out and start over. So I'm going to junior

786
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: college rather than going to Alabama and sitting out two years.

787
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: I got to junior college. I basically got re recruited

788
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: forty two scholarship off first. It ultimately boiled down to

789
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: l s U, Alabama, Mississippi State. And the funny thing

790
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: about that is like no one from Mississippi State, no

791
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: one knew I was coming there, not even coach mother.

792
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: That's what's great. No one, Like everybody just had me

793
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: dialed in to go to Alabama or l s U.

794
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: But just talking to coach, what did you commit? Did

795
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: you what you what you pull a dog or something like,

796
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: what did you do when you're when committed? I didn't committed.

797
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like we had signing there at Jones.

798
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: We had sixteen guys go D one Power five that

799
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: year and so um everybody else signed at one o'clock

800
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: and I was just sitting there and I was just lost.

801
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I wanted to do. Honestly, just

802
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: talking to coach Prul, you know, he they were actually

803
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: him and coach they were gonna come down to my

804
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: junior college that day, and so he was just like

805
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: he stepped out of office. He was just like, I'm

806
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, like I'm gonna do

807
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: my job as a coach and recruit you. He was like,

808
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: but as a mentor in your life, don't come here

809
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: for me. Go somewhere where you're gonna be happy, you

810
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: have friends, It's gonna mean something to you. Because that

811
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: was another thing at Georgia when I was there, we

812
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: played against Georgia Tech and Auburn. In those games, they

813
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: really weren't like robbery games for me. I felt for

814
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: him because you know, my teammates and my friends, you know,

815
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: they all wanted to win so and you know I

816
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: enjoy winning, but it didn't mean much to me. So

817
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and the reason I chold to doing the junior college

818
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: I did because I wanted to beat the team on top,

819
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: which was East Mississippi, which we did. So I just

820
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of felt like I wanted to beat Alabama as

821
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: well rather than just go join them, and so, you know,

822
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: unfortunately didn't we didn't accomplish that. But I had a

823
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: really great two years in Misissippi State with some great

824
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: guys you know, we are really great teammates. You know,

825
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: we were really all really closely hung out from position,

826
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: Like it didn't matter what position. I hung out with

827
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: old lineman, quarterback, receivers, Like it just wasn't clicked up,

828
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: like it was an entire family. Well, you guys had

829
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: a family. The best defense in college football. See a

830
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: bunch of your teammates there, you go, we see a

831
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: bunch of your teammates. It's gonna be reflected on, drafted

832
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: to see all all your teammates get picked. So my

833
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: question is, and I know it's it's a collection of

834
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: leaders with your group there, But at the end of

835
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: the day, who was the leader of the Mississippi State defense? Me?

836
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you got guys like Jeff, I mean

837
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: Jeff and Sweat. You know, they are really great guys.

838
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: You know, we had a captain on defense, Gay Green,

839
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, really great guy who I working guy. But

840
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: ultimately when it boiled down, you know, and those guys

841
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: needed somebody to make them play or to get everybody going,

842
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: they always turned to me because like Sweat, he doesn't

843
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: really talk much. Jeff, he talks, but he's more he's

844
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: more of a worker, you know, he's more of I'm

845
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna lead by an example, you know, And I was

846
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: as well, but you know they knew I would say something.

847
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: You're also somebody that just one reason I fell in

848
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: love watching you play, not only because you're playing a

849
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour. You see the big hits, you

850
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: see the splash plays, but you just see the energy,

851
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: the energy that you bring after plays are over. Uh,

852
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: you just look like you're having so much fun out there.

853
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: And from from where I kind of started and the

854
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: scouting world starting with to Baltimore Ravens and you see

855
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: ray Lewis and you're seeing ed Read and Trrell sucks

856
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Like those guys are not only great players, but they

857
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: really bring a lot of energy and life. Has that

858
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: always been a big part of your games? Like you

859
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: just you just bounce around having a good time out there. Man, Yes,

860
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta have fun. I mean I enjoy

861
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: what I do. I put a lot of hard work

862
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: in so I mean when I get to go out

863
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: there on Saturdays or Sundays, whenever we do play, I'm

864
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna have fun doing it. That's one thing. You gotta

865
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: have fun. Too many guys treated like like a job,

866
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: and they don't have enough fun. You know, that's when

867
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: they become miserable. You know, that's when all those things account.

868
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: You know, they body get a little bit sore, but

869
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: they it's not really the body is more sore. Is

870
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 1: just the fact that you notice it more because it's

871
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: just like damn, I gotta go in to day first

872
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: having fun, Like hey, I get to go in with

873
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna go practice Like that's just me every single day.

874
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: All right. This one personal for me because I see

875
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: you do so many different things. I can see you

876
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: make plays on the ball. I could see you blit um.

877
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I can see you, you know, make a tackle on

878
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: space or a big hit. What is your favorite aspect

879
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: of the game, Like, of all those things you could do, interception, sack,

880
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: big hit, what is it to you that stands out

881
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: that your favorite, that that gets your juices going more

882
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: than anything else. It's not even the fact of a

883
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: tackle or it's the fact that you have someone's number

884
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: one guy, because that was pretty much what coach Soup

885
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: done a great job of this year, the one number

886
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: one guys. If he was a slot tight end running back,

887
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: they always matched me up on him. Just to see

888
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: your number one guy go out there and be so

889
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: flustered and frustrated because he can't do what he's doing

890
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: everybody else, Like he's just he don't know how to respond.

891
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Like some guys tall crazy, some guys you're ready to fight.

892
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: Some guys just going to tank. But that right there,

893
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: I think is that's my favorite part. Just completely taking

894
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: your number one guy and just and just dominating. Well,

895
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: i'd like to hear that. That's music to my ears

896
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: right there. I want to ask you which team you

897
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: want to go to. I'm not gonna put you on

898
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: this there, but is there a player in the NFL

899
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: that either you're looking forward to potentially playing with on

900
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball or somebody on the

901
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: other side of the ball you can't wait to compete against. Um,

902
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys that can't wait to compete against,

903
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: But there's one. There's a few guys that I would

904
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: love to play with. But I would love to play

905
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: with the Honey Badger. Oh my gosh, WHOA Okay, I

906
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: just feel like I could so much. You want to

907
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: play with him because I could learn so much from him,

908
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, because everybody raves about my versatility. But there's

909
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: no one more versatile than Tyranne Matthew, like no one

910
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: like the guy played corner, nickel free strong linebacker, like

911
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: he done it all. He blessed, he played man, he

912
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: played the post, he played down in the box like

913
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: there's nothing that he didn't do last year. Like I

914
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: saw this one one tweet about the number of snaps

915
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: he played at different positions, and it was just absurd.

916
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: I was like wow, because I really felt like it

917
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: just watching the film. I feel like he had a

918
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, all Pro season, well, no doubt. And I'm

919
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: looking at your game and I'm I'm listening to you

920
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: talk and I'm saying I've seen you move around and

921
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: do different things too. I mean, is that something you'd

922
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: like to do. You'd like to be able to be

923
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: kind of that Swiss army knife and and game the game,

924
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: move around wherever they need you. I like what you

925
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: just said. Most people don't know what you just said.

926
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: That Swiss army knife. Yes, that's an old school comparison. Yes,

927
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: that's old school comparison. All right, Well, well, finally accept

928
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: my apology for not being there in person. But I

929
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: do I do want you to know You're still my guy,

930
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: and we are just a couple of weeks away, and uh,

931
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: I literally could not be more excited for you. I

932
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: can't wait to see where you're landing, and more than

933
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: thing else, I can't wait to watch you compete in

934
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: the NFL next year. Man, I appreciate that. Thank you

935
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: for having me to do as well. All right, Black,

936
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean you got a chance to visit with him

937
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: when he was here. I mean, he's just energy. You're

938
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: around Jonathan Abram, you feel his energy. You absolutely feel

939
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: his energy. You know that he is a guy that

940
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: is about his business. He wants to play well, he

941
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: wants to be known for being a great player. He

942
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: is an enforcement in between the hatches, and even in

943
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: today's game, you have to have someone that can make

944
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: ride receivers pay taxes when they crossed the middle of

945
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: the field. He certainly can do that. Yeah, I mean

946
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: he's I was talking to somebody with the Team of

947
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: the Day and said, man, he's like he's Rodney Harrison

948
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: without any of the extras. So it's funny because that's

949
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: what I've compared to. I talked to Willim mc ginnis

950
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, that kind of reminds me

951
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: of Rodney Harrison in his prime. Just a physical dude

952
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: who's gonna do it the right way. It's gonna be punishing.

953
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Uh A lot to like about you, imagine. I was

954
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: trying to think of a similar scenario. Um, but if

955
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: you're the Chargers and you paired up him with Durwin James,

956
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, lights out. I mean, both guys running

957
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: the four force, both big, strong, physical, both have bring

958
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: tons of passion and energy. I mean, I, as somebody

959
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: who calls the Charger games, I would enjoy watching those

960
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: two guys buzz around the field and just smack people

961
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: all day. I'm sure you would enjoy seeing that happen.

962
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I think they can both play high. I think they

963
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: can both survive high. Changeable and then you don't know

964
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: when those guys is blitzers, interchangeable and some of the

965
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: stuff that they were doing, um last year with all

966
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the dbs on the field, Oh yeah, man, he gives

967
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: you another can drabbed down and do that. He could

968
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: play in the box easy. UM. I don't know. That

969
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: was just kind of one of those selfish things like

970
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I could see that. Um, I would keep an eye

971
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: on team I'd keep an eye on with him, Buck,

972
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: I would keep an eye on the Dallas Cowboys, who

973
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: do not currently own a first round pick, saying, yeah,

974
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: you think you think they'd get into mix, you think

975
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: they're team they can get into mix and maybe do

976
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. I'm not saying. I'm just saying,

977
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: they don't rule that one out. You're saying a lot,

978
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: saying a lot, saying a little, saying a lot. Dallas

979
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: Cowboys right now at safety is Xavier Woods. Jeff Heath,

980
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: just saying, keep an eye on the Dallas Cowboys. I've

981
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: seen it in the past. They like you guy, go

982
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: get them, Go get them. Um, all right, that's uh.

983
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: I think that's all we got today. We need to

984
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: tell everybody about the three sixty series so they can

985
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: check that out. We've had gosh, who have we talked

986
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: to Buck, the House state guys, to Ohio state guys.

987
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: We talked to Dwayne Haskins, did three six you know him,

988
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: came did three six Nick Bosa. Then we just finished

989
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: the three six ding Daniel Jones, and then we have

990
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: some others in the hopper we're working on coming to

991
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: completion with the Clemson D line that's gonna ben exciting

992
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: one to talk about talking about all those guys on

993
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: that Clemson d line. And then we'll finish it up

994
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: with the Kyler Murray three sixty series podcast. So be

995
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: on the lookout for that. That's gonna do it for

996
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: us today. A member, you can check out all of

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