Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith and
Speaker 1: Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast. All right, guys, we're back
Speaker 1: for another. How is everyone? How are you good?
Speaker 2: So good? Laura, your hair looks amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I got layers. It looks go like an onion.
Speaker 1: I think it's layers. Is that like a first for
Speaker 1: you or something?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 3: I just I think I just ignore my hair and
Speaker 3: I let it just grow. And it had been like
Speaker 3: just straight and all one thing for such a long
Speaker 3: time because I'm just sort of lazy and I don't
Speaker 3: usually schedule haircuts.
Speaker 1: So I found amazing than yeah it.
Speaker 2: I got my hair done yesterday, but it's the same
Speaker 2: haircut I've had since high school, so I don't expect
Speaker 2: a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Well, it always looks good.
Speaker 3: Then it's always you're just noticing, like, oh, look mine
Speaker 3: is a little bouncy.
Speaker 2: And I try something different than I go never mind,
Speaker 2: and then I come exactly where what I know.
Speaker 3: To somebody talk me out of bank the next time
Speaker 3: I want to do banks, Just somebody said, no, You've
Speaker 3: done that so many times, Laura, don't do it.
Speaker 2: I brought her pictures this time, and I was showing
Speaker 2: them to her. And by the time I showed her
Speaker 2: all the pictures, I said, so, let's just do what
Speaker 2: I have, but just clean it up.
Speaker 1: Let's start longer. We can always go shorter instead of
Speaker 1: all these pictures. Let's just take a quarter inch off
Speaker 1: the bottom. All yeah, just take off the dry ends.
Speaker 1: But this is a picture I want to look like.
Speaker 1: But no, don't really do it now.
Speaker 3: I'm just noticing, like, all of a sudden, we all
Speaker 3: have the same length hair right now, and we're kind
Speaker 3: of having the same hair moment.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I never noticed that before.
Speaker 2: I think it's a kind of universally flattering length. And
Speaker 2: I think that whenever I try something else, I don't
Speaker 2: have the energy to maintain the haircut. And I brought
Speaker 2: her all, I kept bringing your pictures because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: These are curled and styled. These are red carp pictures.
Speaker 2: Are you going to do that every day? I am not. Okay,
Speaker 2: Then I picture.
Speaker 1: I used to pull pictures from like, you know, Vogue, right,
Speaker 1: So they spent seven hours on this one shot with
Speaker 1: backlighting and phil and like and then color correction and everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like this, and so then they would
Speaker 1: do it or something, and then it's like it never
Speaker 1: looked it because one wash and it just looks like.
Speaker 3: Boom and the lighting crew isn't following you around.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and you're not rude of them, dang it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should just bring in pictures of ourselves on
Speaker 2: better days, like this is when Friedman did my hair?
Speaker 1: Can you can you do this for me?
Speaker 3: Way I'm back in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: Never ends. Oh boy, our desire for that per perfection,
Speaker 1: you know, as if we weren't already there enough hair,
Speaker 1: Let's get to some serious stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, so close to Daphne appearing in this show, which
Speaker 3: I'm super excited about. But for now, we're on episode thirteen,
Speaker 3: so it's two episodes away from daff Episode thirteen. We're
Speaker 3: doing a recap today and the episode's title is Dreams
Speaker 3: Come True. Episode thirteen sort of landed during sweeps week
Speaker 3: at the time, which is a big like sort of
Speaker 3: ratings measurement.
Speaker 2: Yeah back when ratings.
Speaker 3: And that was the original order, like the show was
Speaker 3: ordered for thirteen episodes, and it was ostensibly maybe the
Speaker 3: last one that they decided to do, except that you'd
Speaker 3: gotten your back nine pickup well.
Speaker 2: And this is when you know, like I've talked about
Speaker 2: how we weren't doing really well, but we just read
Speaker 2: an article that would touch on later in the show,
Speaker 2: but it says about this. It says in this article
Speaker 2: La Times, and in La Times thank you. Following an
Speaker 2: intensive promotional campaign a big July premiere, Melrose took a
Speaker 2: dive and currently ranked at the ty Says ranks for
Speaker 2: at the time, number two out of ninety eight network
Speaker 2: primetime series. I didn't know we were.
Speaker 1: That, like, no, not number two, number ninety ninety two
Speaker 1: out of ninety that's a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I am. Did it sound like I said?
Speaker 2: Number two? Yeah, ninety two. I'm really. It's really kind
Speaker 2: of miraculous that we made it long enough for you
Speaker 2: guys to come on, and Heather to come on, and
Speaker 2: the show to turn around into a hit. This is
Speaker 2: like these days. Yeah, you would not be given that chance.
Speaker 2: We would not have been given a chance.
Speaker 1: But this is all starting to fall into place for
Speaker 1: me because we read in that article how low the
Speaker 1: ratings were. The stories have been even before now, because
Speaker 1: this article appeared October twenty six, nineteen ninety two. This
Speaker 1: episode appeared October twenty eighth, My Birthday, Thank You, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. So it was all and we'll see why
Speaker 1: in this episode, the big story that happens other than
Speaker 1: Alice and ignoring red flags but red banner alert. Things
Speaker 1: are starting to pick up. Remember we were saying, like
Speaker 1: it's starting to get like, you know, Michael flirting. Things
Speaker 1: are starting to happen. We're bringing on this guy Keith,
Speaker 1: and things are starting already. I think that's the writers
Speaker 1: like starting to what are we going to do? Now
Speaker 1: here are episode thirteen. If they don't get picked up,
Speaker 1: they're done forever. So I see like the er, the
Speaker 1: energy behind the screen, the scripts recently.
Speaker 3: Charging Yeah, stories, stories are getting a little bit more steamy.
Speaker 3: And that is a good segue into the opening scene.
Speaker 1: Of this episode from Done Laura.
Speaker 3: It opens at the beach house where Allison and Keith
Speaker 3: are waking up making out serious making out body.
Speaker 2: Like opens on full on make it and what have
Speaker 2: my shoes on the bed?
Speaker 1: And well it's like you're trying to get you already
Speaker 1: did dress for work? You were trying to get out
Speaker 1: of the door to work.
Speaker 2: He's not bothered to I have to get dressed, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this thing you're wearing with my
Speaker 2: heels on?
Speaker 1: With those really ugly office pumps. They were so not sexy,
Speaker 1: but really they're like so unattractive and were.
Speaker 3: Those shoes where it was all about the makeout?
Speaker 1: You guys, It was a.
Speaker 2: Long, involved makeout and of course, because I'm very mature,
Speaker 2: I have my hand over the screen. I'm going no,
Speaker 2: I can't wait till you guys have to watch yourself.
Speaker 2: It's super uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Dread totally. They're making out. She's trying to tear her quickly.
Speaker 2: If my son ever misbehaves, which she hasn't, but if
Speaker 2: you ever, I'm going to make him watch this episode.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if it's hard on me?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? What did you make out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody's can't want to see their parents therapy for yourself,
Speaker 3: like did.
Speaker 2: You get grounded? No, but she made me watch her
Speaker 2: make out with.
Speaker 1: Some guy on TV. Super torture and even I can
Speaker 1: see run mom, run, get out of there.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, when she's trying to tear
Speaker 3: herself away for work, Keith is saying come back tonight.
Speaker 1: Alison tries to tell him you know, I really.
Speaker 3: Need to check in at home, my apartment and my friends,
Speaker 3: and I just I've got stuff to do. I've been
Speaker 3: here so much. And he says, well, I'd love to
Speaker 3: meet your friends.
Speaker 1: That's maybe not what she was trying to say, but
Speaker 1: she sort.
Speaker 3: Of considers it and says, okay, all right, why don't
Speaker 3: you come to Shooters tonight then, so she FTEs him there,
Speaker 3: and then we cut to the apartment where she is
Speaker 3: at home in her space with Billy. She's in a
Speaker 3: turquoise dress. At her apartment, she's hustling around and Billy
Speaker 3: is telling her that love is blind and stupid, and
Speaker 3: Allison is.
Speaker 1: Saying, you don't understand. I am happier than I've ever
Speaker 1: been in my entire life.
Speaker 2: I loved when he said love is blind and stupid.
Speaker 2: And I'm yelling like then i've ever been. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I am so happy. I was like, da, you don't
Speaker 2: sound happy.
Speaker 1: But she's stomp out a little dense, angry, and I
Speaker 1: love it that she's like it's these two young kids.
Speaker 1: Like she's like with her little scrunching matching turquoise, with
Speaker 1: her little dress and her little sweater, and she just
Speaker 1: came out of her little room with all the dolls,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you're so immature. You just don't understand.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I think you're stupid.
Speaker 1: His cereal to get it over with you too, you
Speaker 1: belong together.
Speaker 3: Well, he's trying to, he's trying to point it out
Speaker 3: to her that she's not being very smart about this
Speaker 3: whole thing, but she's angrily refusing to listen, so out
Speaker 3: she stumps, and then we cut to shooters. Sandy is
Speaker 3: bringing drinks to a guy a.
Speaker 1: Little creepy but I think a little nerdy too.
Speaker 2: On top of that, well, they wanted to make him
Speaker 2: they wanted to make you think that he wasn't really
Speaker 2: he said he was right.
Speaker 1: She's got that long, curly hair. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: just like, didn't you anyway? Go ahead, Laura? What does
Speaker 1: he saying to her? Who is he?
Speaker 3: So he introduces himself as a casting director for a
Speaker 3: soap opera called Forever and Tomorrow. Sandy just isn't buying it,
Speaker 3: and she's like, yeah, right, you know, and he then says, no, really,
Speaker 3: I really think he got a great look and you
Speaker 3: could be as big as Kim.
Speaker 1: Say no more. Yeah, they made up pretty sure that
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, but I heard it like Kim say
Speaker 1: no more. Yeah, And I think it was like Saint.
Speaker 3: Elmore or something like that, probably, but the way he
Speaker 3: said it, I was like I wrote down, Kim say
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 1: They did really cast him as some like sleeves ball,
Speaker 1: like who has nothing going on? Well that you're like,
Speaker 1: as the audience, going eh, gross, because you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to believe yeah, person, I've ever really we're not supposed
Speaker 1: to believe it either.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she walks away like yeah, whatever you know, and
Speaker 3: then we pan over and the gang, the rest of
Speaker 3: the gang is playing pool, asking Alison some questions about Keith.
Speaker 2: Did you see that adorable three shot of Sandy, Josie,
Speaker 2: and Ronda. I'm mixing all my character in real name.
Speaker 3: They were all there that scene at the pool tables because.
Speaker 2: Shot of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really cute having everybody altogether.
Speaker 1: And Matt is in that scene too, And they're.
Speaker 3: Asking Allison about Keith boxers or briefs.
Speaker 2: That's like a but I think this is before boxer briefs.
Speaker 2: I don't think we had boxer briefs yet. At this time,
Speaker 2: it was either boxers or a huge boxers right or
Speaker 2: the then they finally figured out we can combine them
Speaker 2: and make the perfect underpants for men.
Speaker 3: Did you guys notice I made I made Doug watch
Speaker 3: this episode with me too, and he noticed, Wow.
Speaker 1: Was that like for him? Was he? He?
Speaker 3: Well, he's sort of you know, he's just sort of
Speaker 3: funny about stuff, and he's like, wow. I certainly had
Speaker 3: helium voice in that scene, because the minute he speaks
Speaker 3: is like, oh my god, my voice is like so high.
Speaker 2: We laughed about that, and I think it's just being
Speaker 2: young and being nervous. So my voice was kind of
Speaker 2: up here, like I'm just so much more grounded at
Speaker 2: this point in my life that my voice is more grounded.
Speaker 2: I think we were all to the excitement and you
Speaker 2: don't quite breathe into your center. I don't notice it
Speaker 2: in anybody else, but I noticed the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: And you go to your voice class. I remember going
Speaker 1: to voice class and acting class and dropping your down
Speaker 1: and so you're like, okay, I got it. Then you're
Speaker 1: going to set, you're like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that you're going to really go Well, what he
Speaker 1: he's married. I think everybody kind of and you run
Speaker 1: out of air because you're so excited, except.
Speaker 3: For except for Grant, Jay is always going to have
Speaker 3: his booming, deep voice. Yes, but I think all the
Speaker 3: characters we're going to notice, Wow, that's like the little kid.
Speaker 1: Voice, the little kid version. I know that my character's
Speaker 1: going to come off very kid.
Speaker 3: I can't even wait all that stuff. And I feel
Speaker 3: like we thought that with all the nine o two.
Speaker 3: I know people too, like we noticed, Wow, their voices
Speaker 3: really haven't changed yet, Like everybody just seems like little
Speaker 3: kid versions of themselves.
Speaker 2: Yes, so true.
Speaker 3: So here Matt excuses himself from shooters. He says he
Speaker 3: has to attend at dinner date. Allison then admits to
Speaker 3: the girls that Keith is married.
Speaker 2: She's really bad timing right, like he's about to commit either.
Speaker 2: Don't tell them because why would I be surprised that
Speaker 2: my married friend is not.
Speaker 1: A fan disappointed?
Speaker 2: And why would I think that Jane would be anything
Speaker 2: but annoyed with me?
Speaker 1: I kept thinking that all the way through the episode.
Speaker 1: Why would she tell anyone? Why would she did she
Speaker 1: tell her boss? Why does she tell Billy? Like? Why, dummy?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I guess she's acknowledging the red flag, but not really
Speaker 3: undling it correctly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that she gets to it in the
Speaker 2: last scene, kind of gets to why. But I was
Speaker 2: thinking the same thing, like, either don't tell everybody or
Speaker 2: do something about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she's talking with the gang and Jane sort of says, well,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that Keith and his wife are separated, and
Speaker 3: Allison says, well, no, but the marriage is dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not exactly.
Speaker 2: She doesn't understand him.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, hmmm, they're not quite convinced on that.
Speaker 1: You know. I love court that she says about it.
Speaker 1: She said it so declaratively, as like the marriage is dead.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's so defensive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a thing, you dummies. It's a repeating the word,
Speaker 3: you know, the marriage is dead. Not a not a
Speaker 3: great time for Keith to enter the scene, but he does,
Speaker 3: and it is super awkward and Alison is not really
Speaker 3: interested in staying for all that awkwardness, so she says,
Speaker 3: you know what, let's.
Speaker 1: Just go and let's just go home.
Speaker 3: And after they leave, Jeane says to RNDA that Keith
Speaker 3: is going to break Allison's heart and.
Speaker 2: I thought that was so sweet. That she's not saying
Speaker 2: Allison shouldn't do that, She's just having compassion for Alison.
Speaker 2: That's a really good, generous friend.
Speaker 1: That's sweet, And I love like Melose's Place is about friendship.
Speaker 1: It's about That's what the whole background is, you know,
Speaker 1: through all of the years is on and I just
Speaker 1: love that they explore in all these situations like what
Speaker 1: she does choose to tell her two girlfriends and what
Speaker 1: do they do? You know what I mean, like you
Speaker 1: watching it, going like what would I do in that situation?
Speaker 1: What when my friends what are they supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Like are they supposed to just back me and something
Speaker 1: they don't support? So I just thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: that these writers are always writing different situations and you
Speaker 1: get to see like if these friends, you know, acted
Speaker 1: like your friends did in life, or if you know,
Speaker 1: if you can't, oh you can't trust them. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was textered and interesting. They didn't
Speaker 1: just blankly, you know, shut her down or support her.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the network, like even though our ratings
Speaker 2: were love, if the network noticed the show was getting
Speaker 2: better and better and better, Because I see the show
Speaker 2: getting better and better and better. So maybe they noticed
Speaker 2: it and thought, oh, because that was when they would
Speaker 2: actually talk about things, not just the ratings, like yeah,
Speaker 2: but the show's maybe we can find an audience. We're
Speaker 2: so lucky they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's also like there's a delay, like the ratings.
Speaker 3: I think there's like a delay, like you have to
Speaker 3: have a couple of great episodes that people start talking
Speaker 3: about to go, oh, no, more people come to n in.
Speaker 3: Even though there were number ninety two of ninety eight.
Speaker 1: It's like because of the episodes.
Speaker 3: That led up to that, like you know, it was
Speaker 3: the cumulative lead up, and then I think when it
Speaker 3: turns around, it's just like a slow rise of like
Speaker 3: catching up. So yeah, I agree, the episodes are getting better,
Speaker 3: but the numbers.
Speaker 1: When we were on for years, I remember, you know Chip,
Speaker 1: whenever Chip, our producer, would walk on set, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone ask him what were our numbers last night? What
Speaker 1: were they last night? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But also Fox at the time had lower numbers, They
Speaker 2: had fewer markets, so they didn't have as high expectations.
Speaker 2: But even considering that ninety two of ninety eight is
Speaker 2: not great.
Speaker 1: Not great.
Speaker 3: No, this episode being our sweep sweek episode, trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, bump things up, and we're just getting to
Speaker 3: the scene that everybody's going to start talking about. Matt
Speaker 3: is exiting the bar where he's been with his date
Speaker 3: and the guys hug goodbye, while three other guys sort
Speaker 3: of on the street clock them hugging, and then they
Speaker 3: follow Matt, calling him queer boy and taunting him, and
Speaker 3: Matt him to lay off, and then they start swinging
Speaker 3: and Matt manages to land a punch of his own
Speaker 3: and he's fighting off these three guys, but the three
Speaker 3: guys kind of beat him up, kicking him and leaving
Speaker 3: him bleeding on the side.
Speaker 1: Super violent, superer violent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really they did not hold back. That was
Speaker 2: hard for me to watch. What was it like for you, Laura,
Speaker 2: I imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was it was It was like
Speaker 3: a it was the first time we'd seen anything like
Speaker 3: that on the show, like the super violent, like we're
Speaker 3: going to see it all and you know, and Matt
Speaker 3: was trying to defend himself, but he's you know, he's
Speaker 3: got three guys who clearly are after him and targeted him.
Speaker 1: And this is what this We can bring up the
Speaker 1: article now that the article in the La Times because
Speaker 1: this was a big deal, was called Melrose to tackle
Speaker 1: gay bashing television. The homosexual character on Fox's Melrose Place
Speaker 1: takes center stage when he is publicly assaulted and fired
Speaker 1: from his job. So that comes later a little bit
Speaker 1: of a spoiler, but like, this is all at the
Speaker 1: top of in the zeigs. This was happening, and our
Speaker 1: show took it on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a huge, huge storyline for our gay character, Matt,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, so he's left on the sidewalk bleeding,
Speaker 3: and we cut to Jane and Michael and they're talking
Speaker 3: in bed about Allison and her affair with a married man,
Speaker 3: and Michael.
Speaker 1: Then says, well, it's only human.
Speaker 3: You know, I've read anough choir magazine that two thirds
Speaker 3: of married men have affairs that can't be right.
Speaker 1: And Jane is like what.
Speaker 3: And he then sort of tries to backpedal and saying, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not talking about myself.
Speaker 2: But you know, in this episode at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the and then he sort of turns
Speaker 3: it around tried to say, well, Jane, you can't possibly
Speaker 3: say that you've never noticed another attractive guy. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: what about you and Jane considered present and she's like, okay.
Speaker 1: Well may maybe once or twice. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: well what.
Speaker 3: So they had this like sort of comedy back and
Speaker 3: forth of like wait what.
Speaker 2: You have but.
Speaker 1: You oh, you know, they were sleeping. They were sleeping
Speaker 1: and they're in bed, and when she brings it up
Speaker 1: and she flips on the light, she's like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean It's normal human behavior. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: come on, you can't say you haven't been attracted. He's
Speaker 1: trying to way to sleep, and then she goes, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, once or twice, and then she goes to
Speaker 1: bed like okay, we're done. And then he's like it's silent,
Speaker 1: beat beat beat, What do you mean once or twice?
Speaker 1: Who you know? He's like, she's got his attention finally,
Speaker 1: like love. I don't know if you guys notice that.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're setting the stage for his future shenanigans?
Speaker 1: Probably?
Speaker 3: I mean it feels like a couple episodes they've been
Speaker 3: sort of alluding to it a little a little ways
Speaker 3: where she's sort of filting her head going wait, what
Speaker 3: would you just say? What do you mean? I should
Speaker 3: be jealous? In the other episode and like wait, what
Speaker 3: do you mean that many? It's like normal to you
Speaker 3: that that many married men consider or have affairs.
Speaker 2: What. I don't think that number can possibly be right?
Speaker 2: Don't you think that sounds for.
Speaker 1: The purposes of this two Well, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They are pretty accurate. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Maybe two out of three Esquire readers.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where the that's where they asked macators. Yeah,
Speaker 1: should have said that. I just like that she got
Speaker 1: one in on him and then rolled over.
Speaker 3: And then when they both turn off the lights, they
Speaker 3: both are going to sleep just.
Speaker 1: A little bit uncomfortable, wondering. Not exactly what I had
Speaker 1: in mind with that conversation.
Speaker 3: So we cut back to Keith and Allison back at
Speaker 3: the beach house, and Keith is trying to reassure Alison
Speaker 3: don't worry. When your friends get to know me, they'll
Speaker 3: like me. And Allison says, you know, I really do
Speaker 3: have a ton of work to do and I really
Speaker 3: should go back to my apartment.
Speaker 1: My work is there.
Speaker 3: And he says, all right, well you can, you can
Speaker 3: stay to moor night. I just want you to be happy.
Speaker 3: They they kiss, The kiss gets deeper.
Speaker 2: I had a moment just interjecting before the kiss and
Speaker 2: thought could she's starting to like pay attention, She's starting
Speaker 2: to say, I need to go get back to my
Speaker 2: own life, and I go good for and then they
Speaker 2: start kissing.
Speaker 3: Kiss goes on and she does not actually leave and
Speaker 3: they sort of like dribble back into the house.
Speaker 2: Row.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she tried, but no, so lots of making
Speaker 3: out for.
Speaker 2: Allison, so much making out.
Speaker 1: He was a good kiss, right, Number one torture episode
Speaker 1: for yourself. Did you guys have nice banter and chemistry
Speaker 1: in between shots and stuff and made it easy to
Speaker 1: do all this stuff?
Speaker 2: Or yeah he was nice. I mean I was super
Speaker 2: duper in love with Andrew at that time. Like we
Speaker 2: were like pretty hot and heavy at that point. So
Speaker 2: it was kind of like everyone's like, not Andrew. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to like, yeah, you're a nice guy. Not Andrew.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to get back and you just.
Speaker 1: Had a job to do. But you learned in your
Speaker 1: acting classes that you're supposed to substituted, so you put
Speaker 1: Andrew's face on him whenever you had to like be
Speaker 1: totally in love with him, right, I'm sure that's what
Speaker 1: you did. Corney's just very professional. She was just doing
Speaker 1: her job.
Speaker 2: Was just stupid, but that's you know, people have so
Speaker 2: much trouble believing that and it's true, right, like people
Speaker 2: go it must be super sexy, and it's like a
Speaker 2: little bit. Maybe the first kiss is kind of but
Speaker 2: then on take four you're like, oh, come on, can
Speaker 2: we move on to a talking scene. Maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but I think by the time Billy and Allison were dating,
Speaker 2: Andrew and I had broken up.
Speaker 1: That's not convenient at all.
Speaker 2: But what maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong. We'll know
Speaker 2: more kids. We broke up the hiatus after season one,
Speaker 2: so I don't think we got together in the first season.
Speaker 1: We'll see so rude of the writers. Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: So at this point in the episode, Jake is returning home,
Speaker 3: walking through the courtyard and he sees Matt who's doubled
Speaker 3: over at his own apartment door.
Speaker 2: Oh this is so sad, ach and goes.
Speaker 1: Over to him and realizes that Matt needs help.
Speaker 3: He's very bloodied and in lots of pain, and Jake says,
Speaker 3: I'm taking you to the hospital.
Speaker 2: And playing it so well. Doug did such a great scene,
Speaker 2: such a great job in the scene. My heart went
Speaker 2: out to him, and I was so glad that Jake said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm taking you to the hospital because he was so
Speaker 2: like he couldn't even work his keys, he was so
Speaker 2: messed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. He was really working the sensory, the
Speaker 1: sensory of the pain. Couldn't you could you feel it?
Speaker 2: Job?
Speaker 1: He was really good with all that. It was so
Speaker 1: hard to watch.
Speaker 3: So at the hospital, Matt is in a wheelchair and
Speaker 3: he's in the waiting area talking to some cops telling
Speaker 3: them what happened. Did you guys notice you know, the
Speaker 3: voice in the back of the hospital, and they do, like,
Speaker 3: doctor Mencini, please report to me.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that they do that.
Speaker 3: They didn't do a doctor Mancene because he's not a
Speaker 3: doctor yet, but later they will all the time, like
Speaker 3: you'll hear doctor mancyin. I heard doctor Hannish. Do you
Speaker 3: remember who that was? Our production is our post production right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Post production? I heard her name.
Speaker 3: They plopped it in there, and she's a doctor, not
Speaker 3: a real doctor. But anyway, so Matt is telling his
Speaker 3: story and he's they're saying, well, I think what you
Speaker 3: need to do is call the Hate Crimes Division, but
Speaker 3: I'm just warning you they might not be able to help.
Speaker 3: So they sort of recognized that it was probably a
Speaker 3: hate crime and not just you know, just a random beating.
Speaker 1: Up or whatever.
Speaker 3: And then the female cop says to Jake, take care
Speaker 3: of your boyfriend, and Jake says, very matter of factly,
Speaker 3: he's not my boyfriend, and the cop says whatever an exit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little weird, and that's all very I mean,
Speaker 1: I that made me go, that's so common that they
Speaker 1: don't care. They're not looking at them as individuals. They're
Speaker 1: making all these assumptions and just because he's a guy
Speaker 1: that whatever. Was like, yeah, I don't believe you.
Speaker 3: You just yeah, And they're not gonna come out and say,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're you know, like that. It's not a
Speaker 3: safe sort of statement at this point to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is my boyfriend and he just got beat up.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: So when he says he's not my boyfriend, she's like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 3: and she leaves. And then Jake says to Matt, Okay,
Speaker 3: so we just handle this thing ourselves, and you know,
Speaker 3: let's find the guys and let's go after him. And
Speaker 3: Matt says that finding him and beating him up just
Speaker 3: won't solve anything. It's not really the answer, and he's
Speaker 3: a little frustrated. And then he gets up out of
Speaker 3: his wheelchair and he limps out of the scene. And
Speaker 3: this was another moment where I'm watching with Doug and
Speaker 3: he's like, Okay, what am I am?
Speaker 1: I a very old man here.
Speaker 3: He is like, I'm limping like I'm when he say
Speaker 3: fester and gun smoke uncle fist.
Speaker 2: But they kicked him. I thought it was good, Like
Speaker 2: I said before, I thought he did a really good job.
Speaker 2: We're at yep.
Speaker 3: I think he's being hard on himself in the same
Speaker 3: way that court.
Speaker 2: Guys just wait, like we're gonna yeah, you just wait.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make fun of our so fun. Okay.
Speaker 3: So then back at the apartment in the morning, Ronda
Speaker 3: and Billy are at Matt's apartment making him breakfast at
Speaker 3: his apartment, and he is very grateful, although he makes
Speaker 3: a joke about what I need to get beat up
Speaker 3: to get breakfast, you guys, And then Billy says, yeah,
Speaker 3: the streets are tough, they're rough, and you know the
Speaker 3: same thing happened.
Speaker 1: To me, And Matt says, well, Billy, it really wasn't
Speaker 1: the same thing at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was targeted because I'm gay. And
Speaker 3: Ronda and Billy then try to tell Matt that maybe
Speaker 3: they'll catch the guys, and Matt really doubts it and
Speaker 3: he leaves the kitchen saying he needs to get ready
Speaker 3: for work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just felt like, Billy, one more time, you stick
Speaker 1: your foot in the mouth. And he's always you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't again, he was targeted. He's gay, just like
Speaker 1: he was saying something about just general violence in general
Speaker 1: down in South sude with about Rhonda that whole episode,
Speaker 1: and here he is again he's not tuning in to
Speaker 1: people who you know, are different, are targeted and have
Speaker 1: different realities than his. And he can't just whitewashes everything.
Speaker 3: The reality that Matt is living with and dealing with.
Speaker 2: And he even at the drive, sorry, that would drive
Speaker 2: Andrew crazy because he's so politically conscious. It drove him
Speaker 2: crazy to have to be the guy who never understood
Speaker 2: to be that God.
Speaker 3: They did have Billy go Yeah, you're right, you're right,
Speaker 3: it's not the same thing. But it's like the learning
Speaker 3: moment has to happen in the dialogue.
Speaker 1: And like, but he didn't have a learning moment we
Speaker 1: want him to. But his very I had made a
Speaker 1: note here, his very Matt leaves in his very last scene,
Speaker 1: he's line is Matt's and denial. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: He says, Matt's and denial, like it's part of his shock.
Speaker 1: So he didn't he's slow to learn.
Speaker 2: Well what I think, But I think in that moment
Speaker 2: he's saying like it took him a while to understand
Speaker 2: the trauma he'd been through, and matth she all go
Speaker 2: to work now, and it's like, hold on, like can
Speaker 2: you process this for a minute. I know what you're saying,
Speaker 2: and I would say yes, And it's also a valid point,
Speaker 2: right that Billy's talking about his life. Then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden it hit him. Wait a minute, I've been
Speaker 2: through something. And I think he's saying that it's going
Speaker 2: to hit Matt, which it does.
Speaker 1: But his line of all I'm saying is I think
Speaker 1: he didn't quite get it because he said I went
Speaker 1: through the same thing. Oh, I matched the denial. But
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think you know this is
Speaker 1: a series, and clearly they the numbers were low, but
Speaker 1: they wanted to go a long time and so everything
Speaker 1: has to be gradual, you know, like he's growing as
Speaker 1: a character. He's coming to fruition.
Speaker 3: We cut to Alison at D and D where Billy
Speaker 3: walks in and he's bringing her some files that she's
Speaker 3: clearly requested that he bring for her. She apologizes to
Speaker 3: Billy for not coming home last night, and then she
Speaker 3: realizes that she needed two files and Billy has only
Speaker 3: brought one, and Billy is super annoy when she sort
Speaker 3: of asks him to go back and get the other one,
Speaker 3: and he says, no, Keith should go back and get
Speaker 3: it for you. Go ask Keith, and rightfully so. Then
Speaker 3: he leaves. Lucy walks in asking for the very missing file,
Speaker 3: of course, and when Alison says.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have it, Lucy is pissed.
Speaker 3: She says Alison needs to get her act together or
Speaker 3: she's gonna lose your job. And then she says, Wow,
Speaker 3: that Keith must be a really great guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, complicated, and then Lucy goes, oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: married Lucy. Of course. Deborah Dare our producer's wife.
Speaker 2: She was wonderful, and she's so wonderful in this. She's
Speaker 2: so warm. She does a great thing of being the boss,
Speaker 2: but really warm to Alison. Allison is very lucky to
Speaker 2: have her because she is very forgiven, very paid center. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then this kind of stuff because Alison and I
Speaker 2: share very organized, very on top of things, and when
Speaker 2: Alison is dropping the ball, I am sick to my
Speaker 2: stomach and just like no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to make crazy.
Speaker 2: Like the married man. Yeah, but honestly, the not getting
Speaker 2: your work done on time is.
Speaker 1: Because I'm just you know, I have to wear the
Speaker 1: same at home. Ew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when Andrew would come to work and he'd
Speaker 2: be going, what's the scene we're on, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: didn't learn it?
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't.
Speaker 2: May It was so hard for me because I'm so
Speaker 2: earnest about that stuff. So it's very hard for Allison
Speaker 2: and I to drop the ball in that way.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully she's going to learn her lesson here. Well yea.
Speaker 3: So we then cut to Matt who's at the Halfway
Speaker 3: House where he works, and he's leading a group of
Speaker 3: teens and talk therapy and he's encouraging the kids to
Speaker 3: talk on today's subject of anger, and one of the
Speaker 3: kids doesn't really want to talk Matt wants to sort
Speaker 3: of encourage him to explore, and he pushes a kid
Speaker 3: to the point where the kid eventually has an outburst
Speaker 3: and he throws a chair, and after the kids breakthrough,
Speaker 3: Matt gives the kid a.
Speaker 1: Hug, and it's it's a really nice moment where.
Speaker 3: He's you know, he's trusted by these kids and he's
Speaker 3: doing his job. And we see then that all of
Speaker 3: this has been observed by Matt's supervisor, who's.
Speaker 2: And you see how good Matt is at his job. Right,
Speaker 2: He's really good at connecting to the kids and listening
Speaker 2: and he meets them on their level. Like I thought,
Speaker 2: that was my entire takeaway from the scene as well.
Speaker 2: He's really good at this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great at it, and his boss witnesses him
Speaker 3: being great at it. Yeah, which is important for later
Speaker 3: that Matt is great at his job. So then we
Speaker 3: cut to Sandy telling Ronda that she has their at
Speaker 3: their apartment. She's telling Rounda that she has an audition
Speaker 3: for a new part on the soap Forever and Tomorrow.
Speaker 3: So gosh, apparently that nerdy guy was a casting director
Speaker 3: after all, And they're flying Sandy to New York for
Speaker 3: the audition, and she and Ronda are both super excited.
Speaker 1: I guess clearly fans of the soap Okay, I need
Speaker 1: to stand they wrote down some lines because she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you got an audition on Forever and Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And she's like yeah, as a sexy new neurosurgeon. And
Speaker 1: then Ron is like, ah, hey, you think she's going
Speaker 1: to help Booth recover his memory of seeing Montana strangle Liz.
Speaker 1: And then Sandy shays no because you'd have to remember
Speaker 1: that he married his own sister. Silly, so serious fans
Speaker 1: of this show, Yeah, and I wanted And then Ron
Speaker 1: is like, no one's even seen her since here a
Speaker 1: trip to the Equator soap opera storyline, So you know
Speaker 1: the writers had a ball with that. Such a so
Speaker 1: much fun. Yeah, and I love that they're fans of
Speaker 1: the show. But I it made me think right away
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, if you remember times in your
Speaker 1: career that you were excited about an audition, like maybe
Speaker 1: it was a screen test like you've already done a couple,
Speaker 1: or it was just a show that you were or
Speaker 1: a movie. If you remember that that just crazy excitement
Speaker 1: about it. And also, you know the terror, but trying
Speaker 1: to be calm, just that whole process of like, no,
Speaker 1: I can be in the moment. I got relax, relax,
Speaker 1: you know, and like oh my god, you know this
Speaker 1: that up and down, if that, if you can think
Speaker 1: of anything in your own life. Auditions are so nerve wrecking.
Speaker 2: Auditions are nerves. But when I did Two and a
Speaker 2: half Men, and it started off as like four episodes,
Speaker 2: and then I did it for five years, and it
Speaker 2: was every time I walked onto that set because I
Speaker 2: was a fan beforehand. So when you walk onto a
Speaker 2: show and you're already a fan and you've been in
Speaker 2: this set as a viewer so many times and you
Speaker 2: get to walk on the set and play with the
Speaker 2: people you've been watching for years, that was crazy. I
Speaker 2: never got over it. It was so exciting every time
Speaker 2: because I was like, I'm I'm walking into this show.
Speaker 2: I love. That was really fun.
Speaker 1: So when you first went in to meet like Chuck,
Speaker 1: Laurie or whoever, were you out of your mind or
Speaker 1: were you kind of got to play it cool and
Speaker 1: funny or do you remember?
Speaker 2: Look, auditions are always terrifying, right, Like they're always terrifying.
Speaker 2: Then it took a little while to do the deal.
Speaker 2: But and it was because I was a recurring guest,
Speaker 2: like you get rehired every time. I never had a contract,
Speaker 2: like I got to get the job like a hundred times,
Speaker 2: like I hired for the job. It was always exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, you don't have any memories, Laura
Speaker 1: for something. I know it's probably Melrose place, right, you were.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, melros I mean I was excited
Speaker 3: for that show.
Speaker 1: That's faily No.
Speaker 2: I remember ninety two when you.
Speaker 1: Guys got on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was also there were some auditions that I
Speaker 3: was excited about, like the material that I didn't get
Speaker 3: the job, And one of them was actually for Desperate
Speaker 3: Housewives or the role of Brie that Marsha Crosse ended
Speaker 3: up playing, and I auditioned for that role as well.
Speaker 3: And I can't imagine it any other way, Like, I
Speaker 3: can't imagine it. It's not Marsha Cross, you know, she's
Speaker 3: so great in it.
Speaker 1: Whatever time I remember ready he.
Speaker 3: Was auditioning for his role I was auditioning for. We
Speaker 3: were both auditioning, and wow, a weird sort of small
Speaker 3: world story there is that the creative Desperate Housewives Mark
Speaker 3: Cherry I had actually known since my youth and childhood.
Speaker 3: We were we were in Young Americans sort of together,
Speaker 3: which was a song and dance company that I sort
Speaker 3: of one of the first things I did when I
Speaker 3: came out here.
Speaker 1: I was with Wow Americans like Cherry people, you mean
Speaker 1: like you went around similar yeah, tours and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And Mark when he when.
Speaker 3: Doug walked in for his audition for Desperate Housewives, Mark
Speaker 3: got up and offered his hand and he said, Hi,
Speaker 3: I'm Mark Cherry and I wrote the first thing that
Speaker 3: your wife ever did.
Speaker 1: He had written he had written a musical at the time,
Speaker 1: and it was in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3: That it was amusable for the Young Americans and you
Speaker 3: had auditioned to get a part in that show that
Speaker 3: was going to be a national tour, and I got
Speaker 3: a part in the show.
Speaker 1: Whatever I was on this.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: A million years later, he's creating Desperate Housewives and both
Speaker 3: Doug and I are auditioning for it. And yeah, Doug
Speaker 3: loves to tell that story about I wrote the first
Speaker 3: thing your wife ever did, and then he got the job.
Speaker 3: I did not, but I can't know what.
Speaker 1: He got on. And Marsha and Marcia got on and
Speaker 1: it's kind of marsh little family over there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 3: Very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just loved that whole scene with those two
Speaker 1: in her such excitement to be flown to New York
Speaker 1: for it for the soap.
Speaker 3: And then, by the way, doesn't happen. People don't fly us.
Speaker 1: They used to really used to before Zoom, people would
Speaker 1: fly you.
Speaker 3: I just thought that was sort of funny, like she's
Speaker 3: a she's obviously not an established actress yet, and so
Speaker 3: we're taking a leap of faith that they would fly
Speaker 3: her out for the audience.
Speaker 1: My first established.
Speaker 2: Job, I auditioned it an open casting call. I auditioned
Speaker 2: in a basement in San Francisco after my theater company
Speaker 2: car wash, and they picked us up in a limo,
Speaker 2: flew us on a plane just to Fox and a
Speaker 2: limo full hair and makeup screen test with Charlie She.
Speaker 2: So that's the only time that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2: But it was like something you'd see in this was
Speaker 2: for what for Lucas, for my first thing Lucas. Oh wow, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I was like, this is how it works. Never again,
Speaker 2: Like it was such It was such a crazy thing right,
Speaker 2: They just don't. Yeah, I've never heard of it happening
Speaker 2: since that happened to me since then.
Speaker 1: But when she leaves the scene, she's like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be calm, and then you hear it go.
Speaker 3: So I thought that I'm I'm not going to get
Speaker 3: too excited, so cute, not.
Speaker 1: Going to get excited. I got to be professional, you know.
Speaker 3: And so again this is again they referenced. Isn't that
Speaker 3: the show that launched Kim say no More?
Speaker 1: This time I heard it better.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I think they're actually saying Saint
Speaker 3: no Moore, not say no more. I'm going to all
Speaker 3: our kids say no more. But yeah, So that we're
Speaker 3: back with Matt and he is watching his teen group
Speaker 3: of kids.
Speaker 1: They're playing NERF football, sort of letting off some steam.
Speaker 3: He's watching and a detective comes in from the hate
Speaker 3: crimes unit to interview Matt, and Matt's supervisor stands nearby
Speaker 3: listening while Matt talks to the detective, and Matt repeats
Speaker 3: the story to the detective that he was beat up
Speaker 3: and he says because I'm gay, and the detective says, well,
Speaker 3: you know what, we really want to catch the guys
Speaker 3: and was out okay with you, and Matt's thrilled, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you want to fight for me.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. So he's happy that he's had this positive.
Speaker 3: Conversation with a detective who says, we want to catch
Speaker 3: these guys. And after he leaves, Matt's supervisor tells him,
Speaker 3: you need to get this meeting room cleaned up, and
Speaker 3: we're left wondering about that. We got to Allison coming
Speaker 3: home to find Billy eating very weird food for dinner,
Speaker 3: kind of girl.
Speaker 1: Over the trash can.
Speaker 3: Billy's eating over the dinersh can, and he says he's.
Speaker 1: Threatening to eat what was it? What was it? Was
Speaker 1: either a protein bar or because it was squishing out
Speaker 1: of red wrap, so I thought maybe it was in
Speaker 1: those little cheese wheels, remember those little.
Speaker 2: Cow cheese, a baby bell cheese. It might have been
Speaker 2: said cheese and soup.
Speaker 1: Something sitting cheese.
Speaker 3: But he does say what he's planning is, you know,
Speaker 3: can of frosting for dessert.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's making a real point that roommate isn't
Speaker 1: around and his life has gone to hell.
Speaker 3: This is what I left left to my own devices.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm gonna do if you're a.
Speaker 1: Soup to nuts. Yeah, under three minutes done.
Speaker 3: And he says, Allison, do you want to you know,
Speaker 3: you to watch a movie with me tonight? And that's
Speaker 3: she says once again, she's not staying, She's just here
Speaker 3: to grab a change of clothes.
Speaker 2: But were you thinking, yeah, watch the movie.
Speaker 1: That's not what I know the movie, except he says,
Speaker 1: Rosemary's Baby.
Speaker 2: Rosemary's Baby. It would be scary. And they could cut.
Speaker 1: Off frosting with their popcorn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put sprinkles on the frosting. That rainbow sprinkles on
Speaker 2: frosting is a very good treat. And can we just.
Speaker 1: Stop for a second of the nineties outfit? That purple
Speaker 1: t shirt tucked in with a brown belt to rust
Speaker 1: colored jeans. This is on cute, billy. Isn't this the
Speaker 1: scene with these I want to color jean.
Speaker 2: And send it to Andrew and go. I can't believe
Speaker 2: you let them put you because it came off kind
Speaker 2: of pink. It was almost like pink pan I.
Speaker 1: In his black converse and you're just going that was
Speaker 1: more times that was only season one that he would
Speaker 1: have like been like I guess because he was just
Speaker 1: they put it, he didn't care, and.
Speaker 2: Then I think started to care a little bit more,
Speaker 2: and then don't.
Speaker 1: Forget if the nineties, We're like, okay, don't forget. Our
Speaker 1: new costumer, Denise Wingate comes in when I come in
Speaker 1: and that's yes, that's the episode after next. So somebody
Speaker 1: noticed that that wasn't working for them either. I just
Speaker 1: thought it was nineties funny.
Speaker 3: Maybe this was one of the episodes that one of
Speaker 3: the outfits that pushed it him around.
Speaker 1: So they then.
Speaker 3: Billy and Allison then have an argument and Billy says,
Speaker 3: you know, Keith is a jerk.
Speaker 1: He's lying to his wife and he's just a jerk.
Speaker 3: And Allison's saying, well, he isn't lying to me, and
Speaker 3: I love him. This is when she says I love him,
Speaker 3: and Billy says, I just don't want to see you
Speaker 3: get hurt, and she.
Speaker 1: Says, you just don't want to see me get happy.
Speaker 2: I thought this was such a great line because she
Speaker 2: says he's not lying to me, and Billy says, why not?
Speaker 2: He lies to his wife, And I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to remember that if any of my friends ever
Speaker 2: has an affair with him.
Speaker 1: Yes, And they tell him Billy Campbell says.
Speaker 2: Because that's such a good point, Like, what do you
Speaker 2: mean he's not a liar, Like you're the only one
Speaker 2: he's telling the truth to. I remember I dated a
Speaker 2: guy who was mean to his mother, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: he's not mean to me. Cut to shock of all shocks,
Speaker 2: what do you mean to me? Now? I know, pay
Speaker 2: attention to how a man treats his mother. That's very important.
Speaker 1: Noticed it it's my now husband that like, he was
Speaker 1: always going to visit his mother. But another thing I
Speaker 1: just thought because she was older and I just they're
Speaker 1: so close, and oh I love her so well. But
Speaker 1: that was much when I was in my fifties. So
Speaker 1: I went through the twenties and the thirties and the forties.
Speaker 1: And you're right, you make a note and then your
Speaker 1: therapist tells you at one point watch how we you know,
Speaker 1: talks about his mother and you know, because that was
Speaker 1: his template for women, and you know, is there a
Speaker 1: respect there or is there anger and resentment? You know?
Speaker 2: Yes, such a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for you know, for an episode where Billy
Speaker 3: has said some things that are sort of out at touch,
Speaker 3: he's also being the voice of reason here with Allison.
Speaker 3: He's saying all the things that are throughe and smart
Speaker 3: for a guy who also has to say that things
Speaker 3: like oh yeah, Matt, you know, same thing happened to
Speaker 3: me whatever.
Speaker 1: He's also being able to be like the guy who
Speaker 1: says the truth here.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, the audience is thinking, go with Billy.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's great a person that the audience wants
Speaker 2: Alison with anyway to be the one saying what do
Speaker 2: you do it? Because the audience is like, are you blind?
Speaker 2: Are having to be right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just going, Oh, he's so cute and he's
Speaker 1: so caring, and this is a great episode for that
Speaker 1: for your building up it.
Speaker 3: But Alison goes out through the courtyard, she passes Sandy
Speaker 3: and Ronda, who are saying goodbye. Ronda's wishing Sandy good
Speaker 3: luck as Sandy's cab is arriving to whisker to her
Speaker 3: New York audition. And I did notice Sandy's outfit in this.
Speaker 3: She's wearing a beret and a red top with a skirt,
Speaker 3: and I kind of think that it's very similar to
Speaker 3: an outfit that Sidney wore very early on. So we're
Speaker 3: gonna have to look for that when it comes up.
Speaker 3: Because I looked at the beret, I'm like, oh, Sidney
Speaker 3: wore berets?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Was that like a nineties thing?
Speaker 2: But it was a nineties thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Well it just struck me.
Speaker 3: It's like maybe they recycled that same wardrobe from Sandy leaving, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: then you know when Sydney comes in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure they didn't throw all of her
Speaker 1: stuff out, so we'll see, yeah, hand me down to
Speaker 1: different characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like closets full of stock and they just thought, oh,
Speaker 3: this would be good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going to have it. You guys so coordinate. There
Speaker 1: was no awareness on set, and no one knew that
Speaker 1: she was not coming back. And do you think they're right?
Speaker 2: We knew, Oh you knew? We knew.
Speaker 1: How did you guys know?
Speaker 2: Probably right before when you got the Scriptish, I think
Speaker 2: she told us, like they told us, she knew, yeah,
Speaker 2: that it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And was there any reasoning for it?
Speaker 2: Well, we all knew there was a chance at thirteen, right,
Speaker 2: So after thirteen you either got picked up or not.
Speaker 2: We all knew that there was a chance.
Speaker 3: Brought all the characters. Yeah, any Yeah, we all knew.
Speaker 3: So yeah, she's she leaves and she says I'll call
Speaker 3: and that's her exit. And then we cut back to
Speaker 3: Keith and Allison at the beach house yet again, and
Speaker 3: Keith is trying to reassure Allison it's okay that none
Speaker 3: of her friends and no one likes them together, and
Speaker 3: he compares them.
Speaker 1: To Romeo and Juliet, and Allison she's like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: both died of poison, and oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: He goes, We're like, we're like Romeo and Juliet and
Speaker 2: Elison is not in a good way, which I love.
Speaker 1: Maybe another example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, can we talk about the vat of
Speaker 2: red sauce for the Jew of the.
Speaker 1: Simmering? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah. And Alison at this point says she needs to
Speaker 3: have a definition for dead.
Speaker 1: What does it mean when you say your marriage is yes.
Speaker 3: Allison is not able to answer this, but he does say, Allison,
Speaker 3: you're just parroting your friends.
Speaker 1: Don't you trust me? He says, so this is direct
Speaker 1: gas lighting. Little good, everybody listening, little therapy and someone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: gas lighting?
Speaker 2: So what's acting like she's crazy? Yeah, I'm crazy because
Speaker 2: he's having an affair.
Speaker 3: But I'm the problem, and he persists here and she says, yes,
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe I'm just being an idiot for
Speaker 3: even being here and being with a guy who's married,
Speaker 3: and she's really expressing her doubts and he just keeps
Speaker 3: trying to.
Speaker 1: Talk her out of those doubts.
Speaker 3: And he says, but I love you, I love you,
Speaker 3: and then the phone rings, cute telephone, I love you enough,
Speaker 3: it's the wife Lily. He then tells Alison he needs
Speaker 3: to take this call in the from the bedroom because
Speaker 3: it's my dead marriage, basically like showing showing Allison who
Speaker 3: he picks in this moment. And Alison is no dummy
Speaker 3: and she gets her stuff when she goes out the
Speaker 3: door into the.
Speaker 2: Night finally and everyone's like finally, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yuh So.
Speaker 3: Back in her apartment in the morning, Allison is up
Speaker 3: early and she tells Billy she needs to make up
Speaker 3: for lost time at work. She's you know, going in early,
Speaker 3: and she confides that she doesn't really know what to
Speaker 3: do about Keith and admits that her emotions feel like
Speaker 3: they're out of control, and Billy says, well, I wish
Speaker 3: there was something I could do to help.
Speaker 2: Says it's so sweet. But I we're finally seeing that
Speaker 2: Alison has some awareness, and she's saying, if this were
Speaker 2: my friend, I know exactly what to tell them. So
Speaker 2: I love that little bit of awareness because she's been
Speaker 2: driving me crazy this episode, so I like this she
Speaker 2: has that moment of like, basically, I know this is wrong,
Speaker 2: I know this is stupid, but I'm so in love
Speaker 2: with this guy. So I had a little bit more
Speaker 2: compassion for her slash meeting.
Speaker 1: And then he just as doorable as ever, just looks
Speaker 1: at you, like eight feet from you, eight inches from you,
Speaker 1: going I just wish I could do something to help.
Speaker 1: The audience is going nuts. He was so good, well directed.
Speaker 3: And then we cut to Jake, who's knocking on Matt's
Speaker 3: door in the morning to see how he's doing. And
Speaker 3: Matt is wearing a giant checkered shirt, which I will
Speaker 3: say Doug referred to as a poncho. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was an actual poncho, but I like that.
Speaker 1: Huge shirts in this episode.
Speaker 2: They all it was a style the remember it was
Speaker 2: like nineties grunge. All the guys like big Yeah, Andrew's
Speaker 2: T shirts are huge and grunge.
Speaker 1: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: You're right, ye, Jake. They keep in the tight T
Speaker 2: shirts because they they're paint. They know, they know what
Speaker 2: the ladies want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then well if he wears it, if he
Speaker 1: wears a big flannel, it's left open.
Speaker 3: And yes, yeah here though, yes we know, yeah, but
Speaker 3: this one's particularly giant. And Matt tells Jake about his
Speaker 3: interview with the detective and he says he feels somewhat
Speaker 3: optimistic about it, and jake'says, wow, you know you're handling
Speaker 3: this better than I would, And you know I'd want
Speaker 3: to really just go find the guys myself and beat
Speaker 3: him up. And and Matt against this, well, I don't
Speaker 3: think that's the best answer, the best way to handle it.
Speaker 3: And they leave and then Matt is heading into work.
Speaker 1: They run in to run it in the courtyard.
Speaker 3: And that's when she tells Jake and Matt that Sandy
Speaker 3: got the job and that she's gone.
Speaker 1: She's really gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an interesting way to say it, right,
Speaker 2: Let's just make she's gone clear. What's happening.
Speaker 1: She's gone, right, she's really gone.
Speaker 3: Yes, how that's how it was written, and so you know,
Speaker 3: it sort of lands where Jake and Matt and Ronda
Speaker 3: just sit with that moment.
Speaker 1: And well Jake specifically because that's his Sandy, and he goes, wow,
Speaker 1: you don't you know, you don't say whatever whatever that
Speaker 1: line was. It was like a close up on Jake
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's done, and it's bittersweet.
Speaker 3: He's happy for but it's like, wow, I'm gonna miss
Speaker 3: her sort of vibe and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: She's gone.
Speaker 3: So then Billy in his cab is driving and he
Speaker 3: shows up wearing giants crunch socks.
Speaker 1: I didn't notice at.
Speaker 3: Keith's house and Paisley shorts in Malibu.
Speaker 2: Maybe I think it was between the pink jeans and
Speaker 2: the Paisley shorts. It's like, we really need to rethink this.
Speaker 3: Maybe he had his roller skates in the back of
Speaker 3: the cab like always at the beach. He was just
Speaker 3: gonna use the punch of os and his face shoring
Speaker 3: roller blades, yeah, and just like go for.
Speaker 1: So this threw me off, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it threw you guys, But the opening of the scene
Speaker 1: is like a stock footage of sort of like a
Speaker 1: mountain and ocean, and then they show him driving up
Speaker 1: and it looked like it could have been like in
Speaker 1: Silver Lake or Zrol Canyon or Los Felis, Like it
Speaker 1: looked like a Hollywood Hills kind of back alley part.
Speaker 1: And then they cut to Keith clearly on this ocean.
Speaker 1: Is this adorable you know, shingled cottage right on the water.
Speaker 1: So did that bump you at all? Geography didn't match
Speaker 1: up just the three shots. Yeah, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: he's driving in this just doesn't look like ox nerd
Speaker 1: or Malibu or I don't know, just.
Speaker 2: Felt it didn't fum me because it felt like how
Speaker 2: in Malibu the houses are so close together you can't
Speaker 2: see the ocean between them because they're all built for
Speaker 2: the ocean view. Really, but that you well, I just
Speaker 2: know the area.
Speaker 1: There's just no it looked like this. The road that
Speaker 1: he was on was like cracked and just kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, not like Malibu or Oxnard and look like
Speaker 1: more of a mountain. I would love to find out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe we'll.
Speaker 3: Just it's possible that they shot them all the time
Speaker 3: totally different places as establishing the X tier and then
Speaker 3: the back part with the deck. Maybe so Billy finds
Speaker 3: Keith on the deck and he confronts him, and he says,
Speaker 3: you know, you shouldn't be cheating on your wife, and
Speaker 3: I don't like to hear Alison krang into a pillow
Speaker 3: over you, and dude, what are you doing? And kind
Speaker 3: of really really confronts him, and Keith's a little defensive,
Speaker 3: and then Billy asks what exactly are your intentions? Keith says,
Speaker 3: what are you her dad? Nope, says Billy, I am
Speaker 3: her best friend and I care about her more than
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 2: How and her best friend? Did you audibly go? I went, oh, like,
Speaker 2: I'm her.
Speaker 1: Best friend, super sweetheaded, adorable.
Speaker 3: I care about her more than you do, pal, And
Speaker 3: then we cut back to the teen shelter where Matt
Speaker 3: is asked to go into his boss's office, where his
Speaker 3: boss sits him down and tells him that Matt encouraging
Speaker 3: the kid to get in touch with his anger was
Speaker 3: just too much and Matt himself just has too much
Speaker 3: self expression and the kids need role models with family
Speaker 3: values that they doesn't really lacking. And the boss says,
Speaker 3: you know, Matt, it's this is just not working out and.
Speaker 2: Yes, all of these dog whistles write too much expression
Speaker 2: family values, Yeah, and it was so this was so
Speaker 2: well done because he walks in on a high because
Speaker 2: he feels like, you know, if people are finally have
Speaker 2: his back, He's going to work where he's so good
Speaker 2: at it and he loves it, and then he just
Speaker 2: got yelled. I was so shocked by this scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where you guys aready happened well, and here's they
Speaker 1: kind of teased us about it, those looks and the
Speaker 1: other time in the other situations, you know, when the
Speaker 1: kid was really angry, and then the next scene when
Speaker 1: the detectives there, they kept referring to the like Laura
Speaker 1: was saying, the boss kind of going, oh, like close
Speaker 1: ups on him, you know, a little questionable. But then
Speaker 1: he really goes when he says I'm gay, because in
Speaker 1: that other scene Matt says very directly, they beat me
Speaker 1: up because I'm gay. So you just see the boss
Speaker 1: in the background going yeah, it's like that's what he
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear, and he didn't want this gay
Speaker 1: man to be around these young boys because that's another
Speaker 1: cliche kind of yeah and horful.
Speaker 3: At the same time, he's witnessed Matt being very good
Speaker 3: at his job, and we've seen him witness that and
Speaker 3: but he's now in this conversation he's decided to turn
Speaker 3: it around and say, you know, that was actually just
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 1: That way you handled that was too much.
Speaker 3: You have too much self expression, and these kids need
Speaker 3: role models with family values. So this is this is
Speaker 3: a big deal. That spoiler alert part of that La
Speaker 3: Times article lets us know that this is a big
Speaker 3: deal storyline of not only was you know, this gay
Speaker 3: character a victim of targeted violence. Right now he's lost
Speaker 3: his job clearly because the boss doesn't want to have
Speaker 3: him be a gameplay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's an interesting way too to bring this
Speaker 2: storyline front and center. Another thing they mentioned in the
Speaker 2: articles that another show had been boycotted for having a
Speaker 2: gay storyline front and center. So they really did a
Speaker 2: good job of creating compassion and having the issues and
Speaker 2: showing what was happening all in. And I remember at
Speaker 2: the time Doug was really frustrated because they weren't really
Speaker 2: having Matt storylines front and center, and they were afraid
Speaker 2: they create this gay character that big than gay gay,
Speaker 2: a regular gay character on primetime TV. That's amazing, But
Speaker 2: then they were hiding from doing real storylines. So when
Speaker 2: they did it, they really had this front and center,
Speaker 2: like the homophobia and the violence. They really wanted to
Speaker 2: need a head on which I think was a great
Speaker 2: idea because you see, Matt's a good guy. He loves
Speaker 2: Even when he gets beaten up, he's still trying to
Speaker 2: take the high road and then he gets nailed. So
Speaker 2: I think if anybody was on the fence, they would go, oh, suddenly,
Speaker 2: I have compassion for this person who, Yes, maybe I
Speaker 2: couldn't see his point of view. I think they did
Speaker 2: a good job.
Speaker 3: And we're going to get to talk to Doug because
Speaker 3: he is as we promised, he is going to have
Speaker 3: his episode where he comes in and talks to.
Speaker 2: Us, which finally did. Daphney was able to get a
Speaker 2: hold of Doug.
Speaker 1: He has his numbers, so that was cool.
Speaker 2: Al has his numbers, so she was able to get
Speaker 2: him in.
Speaker 1: You like the girls, I see her. They're really nice,
Speaker 1: so nice. They all have the same hair.
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about learning different hairstyles.
Speaker 1: It's all it's just different color. You can recognize them either.
Speaker 1: He said, all right, all right, stop harassing.
Speaker 3: All right, but no, he's actually he's actually I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Back in town, and we can finally have him on
Speaker 1: it on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Then, after this scene where Matt is fired, Allison is
Speaker 3: back at her desk at work and Keith walks in
Speaker 3: and he wants to take Alison out to lunch. She says,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a good idea, and she says
Speaker 3: to him, I think my feelings are being ignored and
Speaker 3: he says, well, let's talk about it at lunch. She says, no,
Speaker 3: I've sacrificed my work and you're ignoring my needs and
Speaker 3: he says come over tonight. Yeah, and Allison again says no,
Speaker 3: we both need time to think, and he says, I'm
Speaker 3: in love with you. At this point, Lucy, Allison's boss,
Speaker 3: interrupts but coming up to the desk asking for her messages,
Speaker 3: and when she's gone, Allison asks Keith to leave.
Speaker 1: She gives him a Lucy her boss gives him a
Speaker 1: like exciting a look everything okay here, Keith? She says, please
Speaker 1: leave because I'm going to cry and then I'll never
Speaker 1: forge give you, and then he reaches over and grabs
Speaker 1: her wrist. Did you notice that? And kind of just
Speaker 1: grabs it. Did you guys not notice that?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: And reaches down. She's down at the desk and he
Speaker 1: reaches over and he grabs it and he goes, I
Speaker 1: need you or whatever. It was like, I love you.
Speaker 3: Red flag, lots of lots of red flags, and Allison
Speaker 3: is really trying to push back.
Speaker 2: And Alison's like, let me move these flags out of
Speaker 2: the way to talk.
Speaker 1: To hold on, let me just move that aside. Okay.
Speaker 3: Then Ronda finds Matt sitting by the pool at the courtyard.
Speaker 1: Tells her that.
Speaker 3: The detectives were great and the kids at the shelter
Speaker 3: have been really great and really supportive, rallying around him,
Speaker 3: and then he reveals that he's been suddenly fired because
Speaker 3: his boss found out that he's gay. So he sort
Speaker 3: of tells that story where, yeah, everything I thought was
Speaker 3: going well, I felt like I had people on my
Speaker 3: side and watching my back, and then rug pulled out
Speaker 3: and I've been fired. So the next morning, again he's
Speaker 3: poolside and Jake is there working on his bike, and
Speaker 3: Matt tells Jake about getting fired, and Matt is saying
Speaker 3: that he's really bummed because he didn't get to say
Speaker 3: goodbye or tell the kids some of the things that
Speaker 3: he meant to tell him, and Jake says, you don't
Speaker 3: have to take that, you know, you go demand your
Speaker 3: job back or super wrongful discrimination, and Matt is sort
Speaker 3: of discouraged and he says, you know, yeah, my boss
Speaker 3: didn't really come out.
Speaker 1: And say it was because I'm gay.
Speaker 3: But he made it all about family values, role models
Speaker 3: and scraping the walls, you know, like when the chair
Speaker 3: was thrown, like as if the damage to the wall
Speaker 3: was really what was it about. And Jake says, well, dude,
Speaker 3: it's up to you, and I think you should do
Speaker 3: something about it. And Matt has left to think about.
Speaker 1: It, which is how it's so Jake, isn't it you guys,
Speaker 1: It's just how he deals with stuff, which is good
Speaker 1: in this case.
Speaker 2: I think something also seems frustrated, like he keeps saying,
Speaker 2: let's go after him, he keeps giving him solutions, and
Speaker 2: Matt he feels like he's not standing up for himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just like, I'm done trying to stand
Speaker 1: up for you exactly.
Speaker 3: So then we're back with Lucy and Alison over lunch.
Speaker 3: They're having lunch together and Lucy's telling Alison, I don't
Speaker 3: want to fire you.
Speaker 1: You're a great receptionist.
Speaker 3: And she then also reveals that she herself has wasted
Speaker 3: five years of her own life with the married man
Speaker 3: previously when she was younger, and she feels sick about
Speaker 3: it now and she just want Alison to make the
Speaker 3: same mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't really advice, and yeah, she's the world's
Speaker 2: kindest boss, and she calls Alice and her protegee, and
Speaker 2: she really wants her. That's really good advice in a
Speaker 2: loving way to say it, right, I just's.
Speaker 1: Really a mentor to her, in a really a mentor,
Speaker 1: which you know only a woman boss can be. You
Speaker 1: can't really have a male boss go in and be
Speaker 1: and then be very empathetic with your employee Alison and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been in your position. I've been the younger.
Speaker 1: You know, I bought all this fancy lingerie and it
Speaker 1: didn't work, and I don't think it's going to work.
Speaker 1: This is like as old as the hills, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like they really took advantage of that,
Speaker 1: of her being a woman and being really sort of
Speaker 1: you know, giving her that wonderful advice, very like big
Speaker 1: sistery kind of thing, which I thought was a very
Speaker 1: lucky relationship for Alison. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then we're back to the Shooters where the gang
Speaker 3: is all gathered around to watch Sandy's first appearance on
Speaker 3: the television show on the soap Opera, And so they
Speaker 3: all gather around the TV and they're so excited to
Speaker 3: see her. She got her head wrapped in the bandage
Speaker 3: and they her, you know, just a few lines of dialogue,
Speaker 3: and Jake is then the first to say that, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss her, and then they all agree that
Speaker 3: they'll miss her too.
Speaker 1: And this is what I loved, all those group shots
Speaker 1: in the pan across the whole shot. It was like
Speaker 1: a Christmas movie, you know what I mean. And they're
Speaker 1: all smiling at the Christmas tree. They're all watching the
Speaker 1: TV in the bar, and you just see that almost
Speaker 1: everyone except for Allison. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then also in the scene at Shooters, Matt goes
Speaker 3: up to Jake and he's at the table and he
Speaker 3: sees and buying your your you know, your drinks are
Speaker 3: on me tonight and I'm taking your advice. Thanks for
Speaker 3: pushing me to do that. I'm asuing my employer for
Speaker 3: discrimination and wrong determination. So we learned that he is
Speaker 3: going to pursue it, which is great, and then we're
Speaker 3: back at the apartment where Alison tells Billy that she's
Speaker 3: going to end things with Keith and she hates herself
Speaker 3: for being with a married man, and Billy says, you know,
Speaker 3: good for you.
Speaker 1: I know it takes a lot of guts to end it.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you should know, I did go
Speaker 3: to Keith's house for a Manda man talk and Ilse's
Speaker 3: like really, and he says that Keith.
Speaker 1: Was maybe weirded out by it about Billy's.
Speaker 3: Showing up to call him out, but that he had
Speaker 3: stuck up for Allison. And Allison is very pleased that
Speaker 3: Billy cares about her so much, and so off she goes.
Speaker 1: She heads out, asking Billy to wish her luck ending
Speaker 1: things with Keith.
Speaker 2: Yay, Allison, yay, that's what we all.
Speaker 1: Want to happen.
Speaker 2: Yay.
Speaker 1: I like that she really embraced and appreciated you really
Speaker 1: care about me, like and as opposed to because I
Speaker 1: think in the past he had done something and she
Speaker 1: was like stop, you know, don't try it or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this she welcomed at this time him jumping right
Speaker 1: on in her business. And then we see her at
Speaker 1: the beach house now and it's sunset.
Speaker 3: It's very beautiful lighting, and Keith has set up a
Speaker 3: romantic sunset dinner. And before Allison can even say what
Speaker 3: she came to say, he jumps up and he says,
Speaker 3: I'm leaving my wife. And I can't imagine life without you, Allison.
Speaker 3: You're the only woman I'll ever love. For God's sakes,
Speaker 3: Alison say something and she doesn't, and.
Speaker 2: She's thinking, huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dinner. Wait, now you're saying you're leaving her.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the episode ends on this first cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, will she right?
Speaker 3: I'm back with next week. We're gonna have to tune
Speaker 3: in next week. Will she able to end it? We're
Speaker 3: gonna have to tune in to find out. But it
Speaker 3: ends on a very beautiful sunset shot. But the two
Speaker 3: of them holding their champagne glasses, well yeah yeah, Like they're.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think you guys are totally right in
Speaker 2: your analysis that they started to spice things up before Heather,
Speaker 2: because my memory was we were the same and then
Speaker 2: Heather came on, it was like boom, But you're right,
Speaker 2: they started to do this and maybe like Heather was
Speaker 2: like the cherry on top.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of spicy making out here, and
Speaker 3: a cliffhanger, so you're starting to see this formula sort
Speaker 3: of moving well.
Speaker 1: And also just the whole Matt thus got them in
Speaker 1: the New The Matt story got them in the La Times.
Speaker 1: They got some press going. They're throwing the stuff out
Speaker 1: of it. But I think it's just the pieces. Because
Speaker 1: we're going back and watching this, we're seeing the different
Speaker 1: signs that we you know, our memory is that's thirty
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if there's a place we can see
Speaker 2: the ratings. Wouldn't that be interesting if somebody kept digging
Speaker 2: back written on a notepad somewhere in the library.
Speaker 1: Variety, it was a variety every Yeah, well, I wonder
Speaker 1: if maybe Chip.
Speaker 2: Saved, if that ship might have. But I wonder if
Speaker 2: it is somewhere, because it would be interesting to see
Speaker 2: when it started to pick up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I remember that it was the second and thirdie.
Speaker 2: I think you know who would know. Andrew would know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask because he paid very close attention.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask him if your members when it's
Speaker 2: started to pick up.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm very excited to tune in next week to
Speaker 3: the next episode of melrose Place. Here on still the Place,
Speaker 3: because I want to find out if Allison's going to
Speaker 3: be able to do it, if She's going to.
Speaker 1: Be able to be screwed? Are you kidding me? And
Speaker 1: I have out my notes are this guy's relentless dinner
Speaker 1: prepared champagne, sunset Malibu. I left my wife here, the
Speaker 1: only woman I've ever loved, blah blah blah, cliche blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. What the f She doesn't have a chance
Speaker 1: because it's the nineties and this is melrose Place. Yeah
Speaker 1: all those things, Yes, yes, poor girl.
Speaker 3: But I also want to find out what's going to
Speaker 3: happen for poor Matt and I want him. I want
Speaker 3: to see him get you know, justice for.
Speaker 1: Losing his job. Yeah, yeah, tune in next week.
Speaker 3: So next so we're gonna have Doug Savon so excited.
Speaker 2: I was looking at the questions we kind of uh
Speaker 2: cover them in the show. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1: Fan questions? You may we have some fan questions.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know a couple. Yeah, did you know
Speaker 2: Sandy's last episode? What do you think about Ellison's work
Speaker 2: ethic in this episode which we sort of covered.
Speaker 1: We did, Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that our fans are thinking the same things
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that they're really watching this together.
Speaker 1: They're really on it. It's very cool. So thanks for
Speaker 1: all those questions. Guys. You can coming and keep watching
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 3: We love getting together every week to see another episode
Speaker 3: and knowing that you're all watching with us.
Speaker 1: We love it. You all can watch again if you're
Speaker 1: not watching the actual shows on It's on Paramount Plus
Speaker 1: and Amazon. The original series. We're next week is we're
Speaker 1: going to be going over episode fourteen, season one. You guys.
Speaker 3: Next episode after this is going to be Doug Savants episode.
Speaker 1: That's right, Matt Fielding. Oh, he'll be here in person. Finally.
Speaker 3: He's been out of town for a bit, but we're
Speaker 3: finally going to get him to sit down and have
Speaker 3: a great chat.
Speaker 1: So looking forward to that. That'll be the next episode.
Speaker 2: How did you get through to him, Laura?
Speaker 3: I actually keep his calendar, so I just said, here's
Speaker 3: what's happening.
Speaker 1: You said, we were finally to the episode where you
Speaker 1: made it to the La Times. Will that do it?
Speaker 2: Doug? Are you guys going to drive together?
Speaker 1: I said? I thought I told him we could carpool.
Speaker 3: I thought it would be you know, responsible, and carpool
Speaker 3: save the game forward to it. Thanks so much guys
Speaker 3: for coming to steal the place. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: Bye bye, everybody,