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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha dolcome to Stephane. Never

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Speaker 1: told your protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to another

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Speaker 1: feminus movie Friday. I feel like I have to dance.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I have to try to add jingles.

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Speaker 1: I love it. You were always trying to add some flair.

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Speaker 1: That's my contribution, okay, flair apparently. Well, today's feminous movie

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Speaker 1: Friday is actually a documentary, and it is the HBO

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Speaker 1: documentary The James, which has just been released on HBO

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Speaker 1: Max this year. Might as well go ahead and let

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Speaker 1: you know. I think it's pretty obvious. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you if you don't know about the Jeans, I

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Speaker 1: guess this is about abortion, and this is about the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties pre Rob Wade uh group Flandestine group called

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Speaker 1: the James, which we're going to talk about in a

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Speaker 1: little bit, which we've talked about previously, and I believe

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Speaker 1: Bridget interviewed one of the members original members of the

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Speaker 1: Jains a while ago. As well, go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: that content warning, we're gonna talk a little bit like

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna briefly mention is this is a a sexual

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Speaker 1: abuse or are rape as well? As um, you know,

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Speaker 1: just trauma with this type of time. This timing I

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Speaker 1: guess in the sixties seventies not friendly to women. I

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Speaker 1: can't really say that it's too friendly now, can we. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And actually I would add like, because I watched it

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Speaker 1: last night, it is upsetting in terms of what's going

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Speaker 1: was kind of like, oh wow, right right, and we

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Speaker 1: d dubbs. This was an award winning film. I think

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Speaker 1: they won the Cleveland International Film Festival as well as uh,

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Speaker 1: And they were nominated for the Sundance Film Festival and

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Speaker 1: got some accolades there. And I believe there's talks of

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Speaker 1: putting their name in for the Oscar contender. Um, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely getting hit some big ways. It's right now

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Speaker 1: the reviewers portion of Rotten Tomatoes is that a hundred percent? Still, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting. She should go read some of the reviews. Um.

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Speaker 1: It was directed by documentarians at Tlsson and m A.

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Speaker 1: Pill Days, And I really hope I've said this correctly.

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Speaker 1: Their nate last names. Someone let me know how to

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Speaker 1: Um and they're both award nominated directors as well. So

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Speaker 1: no straighter to the Games. And the idea of this

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Speaker 1: documentary actually began in twenty sixteen. Win pil Days and

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Speaker 1: her brother Daniel Arcade watched as a tramp came into

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Speaker 1: their mother, who was a Judith Arcana, who was actually

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Speaker 1: featured throughout the movie as well, and her experience with

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Speaker 1: the James Or otherwise known as the Abortion Counseling Services

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Speaker 1: of Women's Liberation, which was an underground group started in

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Speaker 1: the late sixties in Chicago, and they've been kind of

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Speaker 1: we've talked about that episode a lot, haven't we. If

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Speaker 1: the organization and or may have busted the organization. But

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Speaker 1: documentary starts with the experience of Dorry Baron, who had

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Speaker 1: go by Dr Mike And he was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh dear okay. As the James continued, they became very

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Speaker 1: was horrific. But to be able to see that it

430
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: was closed since rovie wod had been overturned, they didn't

431
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: need it anymore. Yeah, Yeah, I mean that was another

432
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: another thing where again we've we talked about this, we've

433
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: read it, we've read about at it, um. But every

434
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: now and then I just hear something like this, And

435
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: it's because I didn't grow up during this time, right,

436
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: roev Waite has always existed as I've been alive. So

437
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: I hear like septic abortion word, right, and it's like

438
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: my brain is just can't process it. And then that's

439
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: coming with the reality that we're in now. It's it

440
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: was kind of a a mind watching this, to be honest. Yeah,

441
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: it did. It was like you were supposed to be

442
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: done with this. That was supposed to be the fight.

443
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: Um And speaking of what, Yeah, the end of the movie,

444
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: it ends with the song Chicago, which in one of

445
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: the lyrics says, we can change the world, we can

446
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: reverse you know all these things. And I'm like, oh,

447
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: and had a booth said we came together at a

448
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: time it was most needed. We did it, and then

449
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: it was time to do something else. We were done,

450
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: so goodbye, Jane. And it just felt like no, but

451
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: it's that, but it's nothing, it's not was it was tragic, um.

452
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: But you know the women that did this, they were inspiring, um.

453
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: And and one of the things that has been said.

454
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: What we've always said and what we continue to say

455
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: is yeah, you can shut this down, but that doesn't

456
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: mean it's going to end a and that doesn't mean

457
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: people aren't going to keep fighting no matter what. Because

458
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: they were saying this so like we were upstanding middle

459
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, lower middle upper class women who were criminals,

460
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: and we were okay with it. They said, you know,

461
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: it was worth fighting for UM and you know, I

462
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: wanted to go back before we come to where we

463
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: are today and some of the reaction about the women's

464
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: rights and the revolution of it UM, because that was

465
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: obviously a huge part of this UM. And they talked

466
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: about how each one of them, most of them had

467
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: been from some other UH activism or some of the

468
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: other movement, including the anti war movement which was happening

469
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: with the Vietnam War, as well as the civil rights movement,

470
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: which we saw was a huge debacle, and the rising

471
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: up the black panthers UM and what that looked like.

472
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: And I thought it was really interesting how it was

473
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: noted that they came from these movements. They took from

474
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: these movements that are like not took, but like saw

475
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: the examples and what they needed to do to be

476
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: organized for the women's rights movements. Yeah, yeah, I think

477
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: that's something that we've we've seen a lot and it

478
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: is inspiring to see kind of like, oh, you can

479
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: learn from all these different movements and um as intersectionality

480
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: has become more important. Like that's that's good to see

481
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: to you because it's true, like as we always say,

482
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: like people have done their work, like do your research

483
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: and learn from them, and they're there for the like

484
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: they've done the work. So I love seeing I love

485
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: seeing that of people taking note and being inspired and

486
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: then doing the thing that like move them right. And Yeah,

487
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: one of the big things on this is it began

488
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: because they either had the process themselves that been in

489
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: that that they've been in that place for themselves, or

490
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: they saw people and they were just willing to help

491
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: each other. Heather Boot talking about let me help you

492
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: and finding and finding a doctor who was willing to

493
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: do this, which put her at risk. I mean not

494
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: as much as the doctor who was a black doctor

495
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: at the time that we talked about, Dr Howard, and

496
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: trying to find and connect with him to find the

497
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: procedure and when he was arrested she's like, all right,

498
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: I gotta find someone else because these women need my help. Um.

499
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: And it was really sweet to see Marie Um bringing

500
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: in Wolson. You know that was her because she wasn't

501
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: arrested and she could have just skated by. She was like, not,

502
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: these are my friends. I need you to help and

503
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: advocating for them to get the right representation that they needed. UM.

504
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: Stuff like that was really inspiring and also trying to

505
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: see like, wow, they came together. They came together is

506
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: a core group. Like they were willing to hide identities

507
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: and hide information from women. They ate the cards, Yeah,

508
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: they ate when they were discovered by the police, they

509
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: ate the information cards. And one of them, she said,

510
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: it's fibrous. That was my favorite. She's like, I don't

511
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: know if you eat in post cards, but they're very fibrous.

512
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: Like I like, I really wish I could just have

513
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: drinks with these women. But yeah, they talked about what

514
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: they had to do and how they were willing to

515
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: go all the way in and without you know, bringing

516
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: them with them. Like they did not seem to harbor

517
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: any hate for any of them. They just really wanted

518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: to protect these women and save their lives again when

519
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: she's talking about at the end, when she's like, you know,

520
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: women shouldn't have to be even going through this in

521
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: the first place. You felt that you felt her hurting

522
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: as we hurt because we shouldn't. They shouldn't have to

523
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: go through this at any point. But you know, even

524
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: with all of this, it was pretty glaring. And we've

525
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: talked about this before about how this was very white,

526
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: women centric um and then when they when that change,

527
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: because in New York opened up, it was very obvious

528
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: that they were not quite prepared for the diversity that

529
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: was going to come through and who was actually being

530
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: affected by what is going down. And yeah, Lesson, the director.

531
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Lesson echoed that point and says in one of our interviews,

532
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: our film shows that people who are disproportionately harmed when

533
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: abortion isn't protected are black and brown people, rule people,

534
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: people who simply just can't afford to travel across state lines.

535
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: They can't afford to be awake from work, they cannot

536
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: afford child care for the children they do have, They

537
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: cannot afford child care for the children they do have

538
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: so that they can leave town for a day or two.

539
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Like this is that conversation is like it opened up

540
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: the bigger picture kind of the same way as the

541
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: stay at home moms versus the work moms and the

542
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: women's movements. It was really exclusive and privileged to have

543
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: the statement it as if like working was a privileged No, ma'am.

544
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: A lot of people have to work because they have

545
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: no other means and therefore can't be with their child

546
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: or are run ragged or abused by the system. Like

547
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: it's that same conversation, like people don't have time to

548
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: have an abortion, but they don't have time or have

549
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: the money to have another child, or have you know

550
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: any of that as a conversation, Or they're being abused

551
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: by husbands, Like there are so many things to this

552
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: point that is very privileged. And they had to kind

553
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: of come to terms with that, and they didn't have

554
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that as per se until the new until

555
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: New York allowed for abortion to have and they were like, whoa, oh,

556
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: this is different. Yes, And we're seeing that play out

557
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: today because I feel like I see so many very

558
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: dismissive conversations from like conservative news media that's like, it's

559
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: not it's not that we banned abortion. You can go

560
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: to different state. Everyone can do that right now, ever,

561
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to do that, Like that's ridiculous, all

562
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: of those things, and then you have all the conversations

563
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: of like Missouri talking about they're gonna try to ban that,

564
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: and that if you leave the state, they'll still prosecute

565
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: you the minute we return her and they don't care.

566
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: We are seeing who is truly going after and this

567
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. There's a lot of underneath that

568
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: we need to talk about. And they were able to

569
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of without even saying anything, they said it, you know,

570
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: it was it was interesting to see, um. And then

571
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: on top of that, I know we have talked about

572
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot how doctors don't believe women, but I'm not

573
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: going a lot of documentary with the level that was here.

574
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: The doctors, as they said, we're kings and had a

575
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: lot of deciding power here. Yeah, yeah they did. And

576
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: again that's also something we're still talking about. And our

577
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: medical system in general is a big mystery, and who

578
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: sets the prices and the insurance companies all of that.

579
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: It's there's no clarity with it, um. But especially during

580
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: this when it seemed like the way the documentary painted

581
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: it was people knew this was happening, they were being pursued,

582
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: but for in a lot of cases, it was sort

583
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: of like, I won't say anything about it. And that

584
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: was one of the most surprising things to me is

585
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: that like that that would be so scary to me,

586
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: is to get the call from a police officer or

587
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: to get a call from a doctor um or Yeah,

588
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: they were referring people. Doctors were referring people to the jains, like,

589
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: so it's sort of an instance of like, I guess, yeah,

590
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: they're kings, but they were either admitting, you know, we

591
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: can't help you, you can go here, Like it was interesting.

592
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of yeah, back and forth because honestly,

593
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: we saw it during the pandemic. They didn't have this

594
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: whole level of like, oh, you have all this power,

595
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: you're doing all these evil things and that's not necessarily true.

596
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: Not that that didn't happen. I don't know exactly, but

597
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: there was this level of like and and it's coming

598
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: back in this conversation because doctors are refusing to do

599
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: there's a fear that doctors are going to refuse to

600
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: help people, even in emergency situations because their fear of

601
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: being arrested, find or taking their letter license taken away.

602
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: But there's this whole level of conversation, and then of

603
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: course we have that upsides, like well, this is a

604
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: person's life. You're not going to help this person if

605
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: their life is a danger, even if it's legal, because

606
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: you're afraid too. And we've already seen it. The young

607
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: girl literally like under twelve year old girl. They refused

608
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: to help and now it's too late because they were

609
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: scared that they were going to violate the law. And

610
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: of course the lawmakers said that's the consequence, sorry, which

611
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: it's a whole different conversation. She cannot consent to sex

612
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: ative but okay, I'm very angry. Um in that same

613
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: conversation that a topic pregnancy which has already come and

614
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: risen up, and everybody's like, well, this is your fault.

615
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: This is fearmongering, and so the doctors are too scared

616
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: to do something legal because the leftists are saying that

617
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: they're going to get arrested, which I've heard this argument,

618
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: which is not the case. No, because we have people

619
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: in politics say that a topic pregnacies can be saved,

620
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: which is not true. But because of this lie, they're

621
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: putting it as a caveat of maybe we can make

622
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: it happen. Yes, yes, again, Like there's so much misinformation

623
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like a willing suspension of disbelief or

624
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: like willingness to not learn anything about how women's bodies

625
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: work or people who can get pregnant, how their bodies work.

626
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: That we've just heard so much stuff like the whole

627
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: idea like if you get raped, a woman can stop that.

628
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: Like that's this is stuff. Are people in power or

629
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: sake right? And it in it in order that that's child,

630
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: This child is a blessing for you to correct the

631
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: mistake which I've heard and I want to plunge people.

632
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to pludnge people. Um, but yeah, these are

633
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: things that are happening, and so they have have caused

634
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: this huge debate within the health care system of what

635
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: do we do? What do we do this? Where are

636
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: we now? And are they going to go back? You know,

637
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: it's a hard decision. I feel like I know what

638
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: I would want to believe, but I'm not in that place. Um.

639
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm not getting anybody excuses, but the law has made

640
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: everyone so wary and cautious that it's going to endanger

641
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: people's lives. We know this, but yeah, I we the

642
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Speaker 1: fact that this is like we talked about all the

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Speaker 1: more cautionary ideals and worries about what's happening. We had

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Speaker 1: to know if Lesson and Pildy's the director's reaction, how

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Speaker 1: it's been a while, it's been a minute since they

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Speaker 1: finished the film themselves. Um and Lesson told Deadline an

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Speaker 1: article that she was gutted. We've been sounding the alarm

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Speaker 1: Um and Pildas added, it's just been so emotional to

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Speaker 1: and what happens when that's the law of the land

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Speaker 1: is going to happen again. Women are going to die

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Speaker 1: and to be injured and be humiliated and be sexually

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Speaker 1: assaulted all of the other scenarios that happened when abortion

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Speaker 1: is criminalized and forced into back alleys. Right. Oh, this

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Speaker 1: doesn't end on a happy you note, obviously, except for

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Speaker 1: maybe knowing that we will come together. There will be more,

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Speaker 1: sure that we are not spreading the harmful narratives, that

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Speaker 1: there is a safe abortion access, that it is still

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Speaker 1: legal in most places, and that you can get help today. Reminder,

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Speaker 1: there are organizations out there that you can donate to,

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Speaker 1: but please donate locally, locally, locally, locally, because that is

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Speaker 1: where it's going to help. That is where it's going

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Speaker 1: to help the most. Even if some states are saying

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Speaker 1: that they are going to allow access, if things come

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Speaker 1: on the federal line, we're at a whole different point.

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Speaker 1: And I know Biden has done something, but let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: it's not that helpful. So we're gonna I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: to cause harm in our misinformation in believing all of

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Speaker 1: the worst case scenarios. Because there is still access to

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Speaker 1: the abortion pill that is still FDA approved and can

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Speaker 1: be sent by mail. You may have to go through

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Speaker 1: different routes, but there are accessing routes to that. Careful

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Speaker 1: who you trust. Be careful who you trust because there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of bad players out there, and we've

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Speaker 1: talked about that before as well as Yeah, well that's

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Speaker 1: can happen, the disgusting that that could happen, not because

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Speaker 1: it's not accessible, but because people will take advantage of

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Speaker 1: these situations. So please be cautious. Yes, yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: again I hate that we have to be here, but

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Speaker 1: it is. This was a very inspiring documentary, even though

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Speaker 1: it was also very sad given what's happened, but like

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Speaker 1: other and we're seeing that again now. So definitely recommend

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Speaker 1: checking it out. It's on HBO Max right now if

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