WEBVTT - An Assault on Religious Liberty with Travis Weber

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<v Speaker 1>What is the Respect for Marriage Act? The United States

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<v Speaker 1>Senate is going to be considering this legislation this week,

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<v Speaker 1>But what does it really do? Innocuous on its face

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<v Speaker 1>and entitle it seems like it's no big deal. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>how they told us that the Inflation Reduction Act would

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<v Speaker 1>actually reduce inflation, and then after it was passed, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>l L, just kidding. It's a climate bill. So what

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<v Speaker 1>is the Respect for Marriage Act? Now? Supporters of it

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<v Speaker 1>would say that all it does is that it federally

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<v Speaker 1>recognizes same sex civil marriage. You know, no big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, But if you look under the hood, what

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<v Speaker 1>would that do to institutions, to to people, to churches

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<v Speaker 1>who abide by biblical teachings that marriages between a man

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<v Speaker 1>and a woman, would that put them in the cross

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<v Speaker 1>hairs of lawsuits or are from the federal government. Now

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<v Speaker 1>those who oppose the legislation have expressed great concern. Learns

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<v Speaker 1>Rabbi Akov mentioned. The founder of Project Genesis had this

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<v Speaker 1>to say about it. He said that so called Expect

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<v Speaker 1>for Marriage Act is the federal government explicitly declaring the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible is wrong. He goes on to note that the

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<v Speaker 1>legislation allows any private actor to initiate a lawsuit if

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<v Speaker 1>a religious school wishes to recognize only traditional marriages. Also

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<v Speaker 1>concerns that it goes way beyond that, that if it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes law, it could affect employment decisions employees, spousal benefits,

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<v Speaker 1>eligibility for grants or contracts, accreditation, tax exemptions, even put

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<v Speaker 1>faith based foster care and adoption agencies in the cross

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<v Speaker 1>hairs of lawsuits and potentially the federal government. Many Senators

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<v Speaker 1>have also expressed concern as well. Senator Mike Lee has

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<v Speaker 1>introduced an amendment to try to actually protect religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>in America, but the Senate is not even allowing for it.

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<v Speaker 1>They won't even take up Senator Mike Lee's amendment, and

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Mike Lee has said that what this actually is,

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<v Speaker 1>what they're back for marriage actually is this act, this legislation,

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<v Speaker 1>is that this is a show game that ends in

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<v Speaker 1>the destruction of religious liberty in America. Senator Lindsey Graham

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<v Speaker 1>had this to say. He said that the sponsors refusal

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<v Speaker 1>to adopt Senator to Lee's amendment, which clearly protects religious institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>says all I need to know about the potential risks

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<v Speaker 1>of the bill. So We're going to turn to Travis Weber,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the vice president for policy and government Affairs

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<v Speaker 1>at the Family Research Council, to find out what the

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<v Speaker 1>bill actually is, what would it do if this legislation

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<v Speaker 1>was passed, and what does it mean for religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>in America more broadly. I hope you will tune in

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<v Speaker 1>for this really important conversation. I believe it's truly a

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<v Speaker 1>really important conversation because not everything is always as it seems.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about the Respect for Marriage Act. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Democrats are really good at giving sort of

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<v Speaker 1>these are Wellian names to things, you know, the Inflation

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<v Speaker 1>Reduction Act, and then they were like, l O, L

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding, it's a climate bill. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to I want to get into, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>actually is the Respect for Marriage Act, what's the intent?

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<v Speaker 1>But also what does it actually do? Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I think that their intent is to try to to

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of the moment politically and push something that

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<v Speaker 1>they think will help them out, even though no, no Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>no one is trying to otherwise address this issue right

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<v Speaker 1>now legislatively at the national level. Uh, They're they're claiming

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<v Speaker 1>this is in response to a threat from Justice Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Concurrence in the Job's case. But they're the ones raising,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, making cultural war, so to speak, right now

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<v Speaker 1>with this bill. Um the bill, the bills titles also deceiving.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it doesn't respect marriage. I mean that the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we were inventing something. We get into the

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<v Speaker 1>area of same sex marriage as a society, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a dangerous road to be on. Additionally, their issue

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<v Speaker 1>that we are trying to help people understand about this

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<v Speaker 1>bill right now is that it's implications for religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>would be drastic by by repealing the defense of marriage

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<v Speaker 1>back in federal law, which is what the bill does,

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<v Speaker 1>mandating full faith and credit based on a state's definition

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<v Speaker 1>of same sex marriage or however otherwise the state would

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<v Speaker 1>define marriage. Uh and failing to protect religious liberating the

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<v Speaker 1>bill the bills that it becomes law, it's gonna unleash attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>let litigation, marginalization, and other social, legal, and economic consequences

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<v Speaker 1>for those who disagree. And that's the significant point of

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to help senders understand and right now, the

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<v Speaker 1>builders does protect religious liberty. So you've got some senators

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<v Speaker 1>coming out now saying this version protects religious liberty. That

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<v Speaker 1>version does not, because all it does is say churches

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<v Speaker 1>and religious organizations can't be forced to perform same sex

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<v Speaker 1>marriage ceremonies in essence on their facilities. That's not an

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<v Speaker 1>issue right now. The issue is that all the other

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of dissenting from the view that same sex marriage legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>So religious college wants to have a code of conduct

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<v Speaker 1>and forced it on its campus would not be protected,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, among many other examples. So the current text

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<v Speaker 1>fails to protect it. Even though you hear Republicans um

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<v Speaker 1>the the compromise between Senators tell Us, Collins and Baldwin

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<v Speaker 1>going around saying protect religious liberty. This is unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 1>think as hoodwinked a number of other Republicans, twelve of

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<v Speaker 1>whom voted for this the first procedural vote, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>just misinformed. It doesn't protect religious liberty. Senator leads of

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<v Speaker 1>them would protect religious liberty. We're gonna have more votes

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<v Speaker 1>after this weekend. That's the nutshell of of the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But it really doesn't protect religious liberty, and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of religious leaders who are raising concerns about

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<v Speaker 1>what this could do. Was reading this Daily Signal article,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rabbi Yakov Menken, the founder of Project Genesis, said

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<v Speaker 1>that essentially what the Respect for Marriage Act would do

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<v Speaker 1>is saying that, you know, the federal government would explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>declare that the Bible is wrong. Uh, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>go on too. You know, there's other you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>bishops recently raised some concerns as well. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>Respect for Marriages Acts rejection of timeless truths about marriage

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<v Speaker 1>is evident on its face and in its purpose, it

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<v Speaker 1>would betray our country's commitment to the fundamental right of

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<v Speaker 1>religious liberty. That's from Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York

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<v Speaker 1>and Bishop Robert Baron of Winona, Rochester, Minnesota. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>religious leaders here raising concerns and essentially saying declaring what

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<v Speaker 1>they believe, what the religion teaches, what the Bible teaches,

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<v Speaker 1>is inherently wrong. Yeah, no, that's right, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that bill would do is

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<v Speaker 1>send a signal that the federal government are people's voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and Congress is saying that, um, same sex marriage is legitimate,

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<v Speaker 1>other views of marriage are not legitimate. That's a dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>place to be because uh, that's going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of finding a federal and national public policy um

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of same sex marriage that will be used

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<v Speaker 1>to revoke tax exempt status of anyone who disagrees. Religious

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<v Speaker 1>organizations eventually churches, synagogues, mosques, you mentually grabbed by Menkan

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<v Speaker 1>He's represents the voice of many traditional Jews in the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish community who disagree with the push, the ideological push

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<v Speaker 1>against traditional more religious values and so um the public

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<v Speaker 1>policy finding could follow from this bill that would be

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<v Speaker 1>disastrous for anyone who doesn't agree with what the bill

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<v Speaker 1>is doing. So so very much so the signal that

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<v Speaker 1>sends against the scripture, against traditional Judaism and you know Islam,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who who religiously or otherwise disagrees, and especially the

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<v Speaker 1>point it's not you know, it's not just religion. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be if you disagree with this as a policy um,

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<v Speaker 1>the bill could be used eventually against you. Is if

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<v Speaker 1>we have a national public policy in favor of same

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<v Speaker 1>sex marriage. And so so that's you know, the signaling effect,

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<v Speaker 1>the impact on the landscape of the litigation that's been

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<v Speaker 1>playing out for years already. You have Jack backed small

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<v Speaker 1>business owners like Jack Phillips Bariteld Stutsman at the sucreen

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<v Speaker 1>Court multiple times trying to defend their rights to simply

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<v Speaker 1>exercise their faith in their business right. So we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to create a cake for same sex marriage. The

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<v Speaker 1>her their opponents are showing up in their shops forcing

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<v Speaker 1>them to using the course to wors than to when

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<v Speaker 1>other shops will create that same cake. And so um,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are going to be totally thrown under the

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<v Speaker 1>bus by this bill if it passes. There are multiple

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<v Speaker 1>problems with it well, and you know that's why, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator should be encouraged to take on Senator Mike Lee's

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<v Speaker 1>amendment because we can't. There's no there's no understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>the Left would act in good faith because, as you

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<v Speaker 1>just pointed out, they continued assault on Jack Phillips masterpiece

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<v Speaker 1>shop in Colorado and the undermining of him, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>drive him out of business, trying to target him. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is just one example. So the idea that somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we should just trust that they would act

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<v Speaker 1>in good faith has already been thrown out the window

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<v Speaker 1>when you know, as you pointed out, what they've done

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<v Speaker 1>to Jack Phillip and uh in Colorado. Yeah, you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we when the nation was having a discussion and

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<v Speaker 1>various core cases on the issue of same sex marriage

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, what we heard was, you know, we were told,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that others will be tolerated and we

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<v Speaker 1>just want marriage and will respect those who disagree. The

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<v Speaker 1>bill doesn't do that, and behind this is a threat,

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<v Speaker 1>as you note, to people like Jack Phillips, including um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anyone who wants to sort of exercise their

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<v Speaker 1>views in the context of the federal government, those who

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<v Speaker 1>want to receive public money, contract with the government, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone in the marketplace, because the bill will open up

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<v Speaker 1>invite more litigation against them, like Jack Phillips. Religious colleges,

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<v Speaker 1>universities be able to live out their faith. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware that you know they're there schools College of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ozarks, and other schools in Missouri, the home state

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<v Speaker 1>of Roy Blunt who voted for this bill, who are

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<v Speaker 1>very concerned about the impact that their own Senator UH

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<v Speaker 1>will be helping achieve the negative adverse effect on their

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<v Speaker 1>own religious liberty. The Senator blood is helping usher in

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<v Speaker 1>so you know he Joni Earns from Iowa, Todd Young

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<v Speaker 1>from Indiana, Synthing dilemmas from Wyoming and and the others

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<v Speaker 1>who voted for this. It's a significant problem that they

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<v Speaker 1>would fail to see that this does not protect religious liberty. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, they could just be there's some

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<v Speaker 1>messages out there that this does based on the language

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<v Speaker 1>of the bill, but I already reviewed how it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it just it would only protect them in

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<v Speaker 1>these these pastors and these groups who related to the

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<v Speaker 1>solidnization of a marriage, that that is not protect your

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<v Speaker 1>religious liberty. And you know it includes perfunctory language about

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<v Speaker 1>this bill will not impact religious liberty. Well, as you noted, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that statement requires trust and no one should have it

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<v Speaker 1>that that. You know, the people who oppose religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>in the area of marriage will honor a statement like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They will not. And the courts in the full way

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<v Speaker 1>to the government we brought down on people's heads. You disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, Senator, the twelve who voted for this,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Blunt, Burr, Capital Collins, Ernst Lumas, Rokowski, Portman, Romney, Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 1>Tillison among those twelve Republican senators need to understand that

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<v Speaker 1>this is not protect religious liberty. Well, and to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>it broadens out, you know, who could get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>suit or faith persecution for their beliefs. And the rabbi

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<v Speaker 1>had mentioned earlier, Rabbi Mecan. He also went on to say,

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<v Speaker 1>any private actor to initiate a lawsuit or this legislation

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<v Speaker 1>allows any private actor to initiate a lawsuit if religious

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<v Speaker 1>school wishes to recognize only traditional marriages. The National Catholic Register, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talked about an analysis that was done on

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<v Speaker 1>what this said and and said that you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>could affect, as your pointing out earlier, even more broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>employment decisions, employees, spousal benefits, eligibility for grants or contracts, accreditation,

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<v Speaker 1>taxi rexemptions, you know, goes on faith based foster care

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<v Speaker 1>and adoption agencies, housing providers. Uh, you know, goes on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on about the amount of people that

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<v Speaker 1>could be impacted by this, uh, you know, simply because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they believe what the Bible says. Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean basically, if you look at the last you

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<v Speaker 1>know what seven years now since the burgen felt even

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<v Speaker 1>ten years lest you know, decade of struggle in the society,

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<v Speaker 1>society over people's freedom to exercise their beliefs about marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at that landscape, and anything that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in that landscape likely is fair game under this bill

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<v Speaker 1>because again, the bill only protects the soleimnization of marriages

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<v Speaker 1>related to certain organizations who are engaged in the practice

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<v Speaker 1>the further insert of religion. So it's very narrow. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>you just outlined, everything I've discussed already here I would

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<v Speaker 1>not be protected. And uh, this is a serious problem

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<v Speaker 1>because this is where the freedom, the disagreement, and the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle over freedom has played out over this issue. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not been over the performance of marriage. No one. No

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<v Speaker 1>one's showing up in a church and saying I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to marry me. And if if if they did

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<v Speaker 1>that to a pass or disagreed, that case would likely

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<v Speaker 1>find its way into court and the path through be

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<v Speaker 1>protected under the First Amendment. That's not something we've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen everything else, which is, um, we want this

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<v Speaker 1>religious school to to house us in their dorms just

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<v Speaker 1>like anyone else, provide the same treatment, just like in

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<v Speaker 1>contravention of the beliefs of the one they're asking to

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<v Speaker 1>provide that treatment. That's that's the religious freedom issue that

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Phillips a small business cases. You mentioned adoption, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big one. UM. The treatment, accreditation, taxigent status of

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<v Speaker 1>religious organizations and others with and their interaction with the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, contracts, grants, um. In addition to just the

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<v Speaker 1>ability of you know, those exercising faith to live it

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<v Speaker 1>out in their business or local community or society in

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<v Speaker 1>other ways. I mean this, this is a serious issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and and the beliefs of those who dissent are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be just pushed to a side more and more.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna be treated as legitimate. This is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the basis of actors in society to justify

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<v Speaker 1>originalizing it. So we're Congress past this bill. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to give that person a voice or platform, and

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<v Speaker 1>we can claim we're having a fair debate over the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need to hear from that because they're beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the balance of polite society, because they're defending marriage between

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<v Speaker 1>a man and a woman. That's kind of what we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be looking at here, and that's why this

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<v Speaker 1>is so dangerous. And if there wants to be this

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<v Speaker 1>broad our conversation about inclusion, then why are people of

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<v Speaker 1>faith being excluded? There's no there's no good reason. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no good reason for senators to not consider Sendor Leads

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<v Speaker 1>amendment as protective of religious liberty. The fact that Schumer

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<v Speaker 1>sunder Schumer and all you know, his allies who want

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<v Speaker 1>to see this bill past, the fact that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to consider Senator Lee's amendment to it, tells you

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to know about their respect religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>and about where this is all going. Because if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not even consider his amendment, that tells you they don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe the protections and his amendment deserved consideration, and those

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<v Speaker 1>protections are common sense protections. That his amendment simply says

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<v Speaker 1>that the people shall not be UM UH treated on

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of UH, shall not be subject to discriminatory

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<v Speaker 1>action because of their religious belief for moral conviction that

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<v Speaker 1>marriage is the union of a man and a woman UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And it says it goes on to protect the context

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<v Speaker 1>attacks treatment UM funding for grants, contracts and contracts, loans

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<v Speaker 1>and other agreements with the federal government and federal benefits

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<v Speaker 1>and use of federal property and accreditation and and so.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's not even so, if people pushing this bill

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<v Speaker 1>are saying we want to protect religious liberty. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>even able to consider that. They don't want to protect

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<v Speaker 1>relgious liberty. And that needs to be understood by the

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<v Speaker 1>two Republicans who voted voted for this, and everyone looking

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<v Speaker 1>at this debate. Well, and that's what Senator Lindsey Graham said,

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<v Speaker 1>who voted no undability. I believe he tweeted this that

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<v Speaker 1>the sponsors refusal to adopt Senator Lee's amendment, which clearly

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<v Speaker 1>protects religious institutions, says all I need to know about

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<v Speaker 1>the potential risks of this bill, Josh Holly, is that

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<v Speaker 1>this bill could lead to coercion Senator Mike Lee, who

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<v Speaker 1>introduced the amendment that we're talking about, so that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a shell game that ends in the destruction of

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<v Speaker 1>religious liberty in America. You know, I believe was it

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<v Speaker 1>the le amendment was already was it already voted down? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not being considered, you know. And so far the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have not have not have have refused to consider

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Leaves amendment. Um, you know, if you refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>engage that in discussion that I'm aware of, um, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And so a senators should vote against cloture unless sender

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<v Speaker 1>leaves amendment is adopted at the bill, a Senator LEAs

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<v Speaker 1>amendment is not attached this bill. Those senators, even the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who voted so far for this bill, should refuse

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for Culture. We're going to see two more

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<v Speaker 1>votes next week and the five thirty on they thirty PM,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a vote schedule that requires sixty centator, so they

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<v Speaker 1>need they need ten of those twelve to um uh

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for for the that on that on that

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<v Speaker 1>procedural vote. On the twenty two days after that, there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be another sixty vote threshold vote I think,

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<v Speaker 1>to proceed to quote final, the final culture vote, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they'll be final passage requiring fifty votes. So so

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<v Speaker 1>they but senator leaves amendment's not even been in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, our our our position is that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, senator should not vote for Culture on this

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<v Speaker 1>unless Senator leads amend it is actually adopted at the bail.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not, the discussion over the over good faith

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<v Speaker 1>and religious freedom is over. They don't want to protect

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<v Speaker 1>religious freedom. That's the end of the story. Um So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have refused to consider it so far. Though. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick commercial break. More on their respect for

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<v Speaker 1>Marriage Act. On the other side, how fundamental is religious

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<v Speaker 1>freedom to a free society really just liberty to a

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<v Speaker 1>free society. I mean it's yeah, it's it's totally essential,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I think there's a you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting to reflect on this over Thanksgiving as well,

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<v Speaker 1>right because the faunidly of our country was related to

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<v Speaker 1>to the people fleeing, you know, across an ocean to

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<v Speaker 1>have the freedom to live out their faith. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it might not be equal points to everyone that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>should recognize the value that it contributes to a society

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<v Speaker 1>and the necessity of allowing the space for those who

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<v Speaker 1>want to live out their faith. No one should not

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<v Speaker 1>be forced to violate their conscience in a free society,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what we're dealing with here in this in

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<v Speaker 1>this context, but we need to provide the space for

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<v Speaker 1>people of up their faith. Not only is it the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing to do as a as a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>American um a principle you know of our American constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>or public going back to our founding um. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>not only is it right on that score, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at for people who can't relate to this,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as much personally. Look at freedoms that they enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of the press or freedom of speech, free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>These are things that have defined America since its founding.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're foundational and that in that score because they

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<v Speaker 1>produce the full even flourishing, allow people to research full potential.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also add value. Right, there's millions and millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars of value added to our society by the

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<v Speaker 1>contributions of religious foster adoption provide ters for example, um,

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<v Speaker 1>those caring for for for the poor and needy, those

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<v Speaker 1>providing housing housing for the poor and needy, educational institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>and those contributing to the education of our society. These

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<v Speaker 1>are these are massive inputs from religious community. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't allow the freedom of the religious committees to

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<v Speaker 1>do to live those areas out as they got to

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<v Speaker 1>their faith, and force them to violate their conscience in them,

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<v Speaker 1>there's compably gonna drop out, They're gonna cease and doing

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<v Speaker 1>then they're gonna withdraw. That not only stamp stomps on

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<v Speaker 1>the freedom of people that America should be ashamed to

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<v Speaker 1>be stomping on, but but it actually it causes a

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<v Speaker 1>degradation of our society's well being. Uh, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>taking the institutions society, tearing them apart. A big part

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<v Speaker 1>of those are religious institutions. What is this administration, the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration's record on religious liberty. Yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not good. You know. The Biden administration has

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<v Speaker 1>made a point to undo virtually all of the previous

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<v Speaker 1>administration's accomplishments on religious liberty, which include the protection of

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<v Speaker 1>conscience for um, those in the healthcare community with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to their they're they're forcing them to participate in abortions

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<v Speaker 1>or other medical procedures against their conscience. Um. The administration

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<v Speaker 1>is undone. The other federal actions and tax are executive

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<v Speaker 1>orders that that that President Trump had put into place. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The administration, you know, it does not supporting for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>in this context they want to sign this bill into law,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. They don't want religious freedom protections in it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They they've failed to prioritize the issue internationally. As Secretary State,

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<v Speaker 1>like Pompeo, Investador at Large, Sam brown Back, you've done

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<v Speaker 1>in the State Department under under the previous administration, We've

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<v Speaker 1>made a point to send the signal and that we

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<v Speaker 1>will protect those around the world according to their faith

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<v Speaker 1>and um and actually do it. You know, we we

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<v Speaker 1>pressured Turkey when they detained Pastor Andrew Brunson, put economic

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<v Speaker 1>sanctions on them, forcing his return, them to release him

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<v Speaker 1>to come back to the United States. That matters, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this administration is instead is dropping it's its promotion

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<v Speaker 1>of religious freedom worldwide, instead going around and pressuring governments

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<v Speaker 1>to modify their cultural stance on crazy gender ideology issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is the priority of the Biden administration Internationally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's casting a shameful shadow over the US. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to people internationally and they think, they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, this is this is shameful what

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<v Speaker 1>we We're looking to the US for help and we're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling pressured by the US on our on our social

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<v Speaker 1>views and our countries. And they think everyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>US believes these things. And I'm I'm telling them though,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a big segment of the US population that

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<v Speaker 1>is not agree with Biden's heavy hand pushing these issues

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. And so yeah, overall, the the the

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<v Speaker 1>rectord has been pretty bad and it needs to be better.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've you still got u the issue China's

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<v Speaker 1>treatment of weakers in its concentration camp system, and treatment

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<v Speaker 1>of Christians across the Middle East, treatment of the believers

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran, and we need to be highlighting these situations

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<v Speaker 1>internationally and not neglecting them. And unfortunately Biden needs to

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<v Speaker 1>give them more attention. Why do you think this administration

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<v Speaker 1>has so much hostility towards religion or towards people of

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<v Speaker 1>faith as it seems, Yeah, I think you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's um. I think they they failed to understand that

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<v Speaker 1>religious freedom is the right thing to protect, and they

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<v Speaker 1>fail to see the value that there's it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>this worldview and this outlook that we can get by

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<v Speaker 1>without without this whole religion thing, without these these Christians

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<v Speaker 1>who who are increasingly being um uh you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of of lea goals and having labels put on

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<v Speaker 1>them domestically in the United States, and and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being framed in a way is almost a problem to

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<v Speaker 1>society instead of a value added and the contribution. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we really need to cut through the false of

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<v Speaker 1>the narratives. I mean, misinformation is a term that's used

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<v Speaker 1>a lot these days, right, Well, there actually is misinformation

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<v Speaker 1>out there about Christian beliefs, um, other religious communities beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>the way in which these are interacting society. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a failure to really grasp the truth about

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity and specific religion in general that that helps people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for instance, in high levels of the Bide administration,

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<v Speaker 1>understand that this is a value added society and we

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<v Speaker 1>actually shouldn't be wanting to marginalize Christians. We should be

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<v Speaker 1>welcoming them in for their contributions. So I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a dangerous shift under way that that that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the reason, Uh, the answer to your question

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<v Speaker 1>is there's a danger shift that that is leading um

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<v Speaker 1>a worldview shift among among officials, members of the Biden

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<v Speaker 1>administration and other you know, seats of power in our society.

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<v Speaker 1>That this shift is leading them to to not see

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<v Speaker 1>the value and even say well this is a horss

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<v Speaker 1>for me to exclude it. Well, that's a dangerous place

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<v Speaker 1>to be when I you know, the light of sort

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<v Speaker 1>of what I held outlined earlier, which is the contributions

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<v Speaker 1>of religious communities, we should not be We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of problems as in society. We need everyone at

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<v Speaker 1>the table seeking to help solve them. Religious communities want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, so we need to be welcoming that,

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<v Speaker 1>not marginalizing it. Quick commercial brank more on religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>in America. But I honestly think you can draw a

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<v Speaker 1>direct correlation between the client of religion in the country

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<v Speaker 1>and the increased societal fall that we are as a country.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's there's this high fashion brand Balanciaga, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're facing backlash as they could or as they should,

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<v Speaker 1>for this disgusting ad campaign featuring child models holding teddy bears.

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<v Speaker 1>The teddy bears are dressed in bondage gear. In one

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<v Speaker 1>of the the ads, there's an image of the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court opinion case in a child pornography case as a

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<v Speaker 1>prop promoting the handbag. It's just I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that, you know, a decade ago, that this

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<v Speaker 1>would be anywhere near acceptable, and the idea that if

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<v Speaker 1>a fashion house like Blendsiago could think that there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>okay with this. It's just it's just outrageous and it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's sort of underscores where we are

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<v Speaker 1>today as a society and how depraved and disgusting our

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<v Speaker 1>society is, to be honest, yeah, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>children have really been in the crosshairs of the the

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<v Speaker 1>the sexual the sexualization of society. Children have been the

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<v Speaker 1>focus of so much of of this push to sexualized society,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean this has been going on for some time,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are seeing an increasing focus on children. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think, in part why this is so horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think there'd be problems with it even

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<v Speaker 1>if it had an adults in the ad. But but

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a little child in it in the act um.

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<v Speaker 1>It tells us where we are. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people behind stuff like this just failed to have a

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<v Speaker 1>frame of reference for where anyone else in society is at.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes their own worldview that they don't have a component

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<v Speaker 1>which enables them to say, well, there could be a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with this in my you know, from the perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of the person behind this, they probably are thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see any problem with this. You know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way I've I've lived and the world I've

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<v Speaker 1>been in, and it's about me what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do sexually. Well, that's a very dangerous spot to be

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<v Speaker 1>in as a society, and we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people thinking that way. I think we've been sort of

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<v Speaker 1>on that road. This is a data point. Thankfully, it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting attention. You know, children. I think more people need

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up about the targeting of children this area.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are and I think this is behind

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<v Speaker 1>the front of rights pushed back against the sexualization of

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<v Speaker 1>children in schools that we saw in Louden County, Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>several years ago, leading to um, you have no youngin's election.

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<v Speaker 1>You're seeing this. We've seen this, this issue arise around

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<v Speaker 1>the country, seen a rise in Florida, the push of curricula,

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<v Speaker 1>the sexualization of children in schools, and otherwise jack the

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<v Speaker 1>drag creen story our issue. Um, thankfully people are waking up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think more people need to wake up to

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers of the road we're walking down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the the push for children to receive puberty blockers,

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<v Speaker 1>frouss sex harmon's gender transition surgeries. Thankfully, The York Times

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<v Speaker 1>even called attention of the problems with the East the

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<v Speaker 1>other week. UM, more and more people are in parents

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<v Speaker 1>are waking up to this. But as you know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>these are these are this is a dangerous data point. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But so we just need to work and pray for

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<v Speaker 1>more to see what society is doing to its children.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if we can, if we can increase

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<v Speaker 1>that concern, we can address these problems. Travis Weber, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining the show. I appreciate the work

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing at Family Research Council, and I hope people

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<v Speaker 1>who are listening, you know, get active. Tell your senator

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<v Speaker 1>to vote no on their Respect for Marriage Act. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not as it seems, and it could undermine religious liberty

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<v Speaker 1>in America. So Travis, I appreciate you taking the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, And let me just say too real quick, um,

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to contact their senators, they can go

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<v Speaker 1>to f r C action dot org slash marriage. That's

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<v Speaker 1>f RC action dot org slash marriage and find information

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<v Speaker 1>there to reach out to their senators, sellers, travels, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or the Family Research Council on what I think is

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<v Speaker 1>a really important issue, protecting religious liberty in America. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what America is about. So if we lose that, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we lose the country. So I appreciate his time.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you for listening. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank John Cassio as well for putting together this show

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