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Speaker 1: Smell of.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet tadcast.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live.

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Speaker 4: Uh it's eleven a. I'm here in Bozeman, Montana at

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Speaker 4: Meat Eater h Q. My wife, who just got back

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Speaker 4: from the Dolomites in Italy, still thinks it's two in

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Speaker 4: the morning, but it's eleven here.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Brodie Henderson.

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Speaker 4: I'm joined today by your favorite history buff and Frankfurter aficionado,

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Speaker 4: Randall Williams and the world's foremost wildlife and public lands

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Speaker 4: conservationist Ryan cal Cally.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'll trade you for the Frankfurter.

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Speaker 4: Today, we've got a couple interviews. We've got one about

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Speaker 4: road kill be getting more road killed. It's pretty cool

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Speaker 4: story out of Wyoming. And we're also going to talk

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Speaker 4: about what's at stake if the roadless rule on forty

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Speaker 4: five millionacres forty eight millionacres of your national force is rescinded.

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Speaker 4: And since it's prime time for all the archery out

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Speaker 4: hunters out there, we've got a rout report from some

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Speaker 4: hunters who are out in the field.

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Speaker 3: And finally we're gonna lay down.

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Speaker 4: Some harsh truths and we'll check in with the crew

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Speaker 1: Randa Williams is going to do the entire tour and

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Speaker 1: a cousin Eddie bathrobe all on Christmas vacation. So there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be all sorts of fun Christmas hijinks. You don't

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Speaker 1: even know, you're crazy.

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Speaker 5: I've been practicing all of my carols, even the weird

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Speaker 5: ones that no one likes to sing.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna break out your Santa suit.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to I'd like to actually use this opportunity

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Speaker 5: to invest in a real Santa suit at this company. Well,

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Speaker 5: I feel like we have the Yeah no, but hark

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Speaker 5: the Herald Angels sing. We're just going to get into

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Speaker 5: the the deep cuts.

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Speaker 4: Going south, which is a new, new kind of part

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Speaker 4: of the country that I hit on the tours before.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: People were riping for a long time, so we listened

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Speaker 4: to them. Guys, are starting to feel like fall around here.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: The leaves are starting to show some color, Temperatures are

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Speaker 4: cool enough, days are getting shorter.

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Speaker 3: It's hunting season. I've been out for grouse a couple

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Speaker 3: of times with my boys.

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Speaker 4: Done all right, But my first big hunt is going

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Speaker 4: to be antelope season here in like what three weeks

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Speaker 4: something like that.

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Speaker 3: We've got four tags.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be crazy trying to fill four tags. What's

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Speaker 4: your big, first big hunt of the year, Randall.

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Speaker 5: Well, I actually got out this past weekend and we

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Speaker 5: were in some areas of Montana. We have an early rifle. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: So I went in with a buddy and we camped

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Speaker 5: together one night and then split up and kind of

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Speaker 3: Elk or deer?

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Speaker 5: What were you after both? Elk? If it's the very

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Speaker 5: right opportunity because the logistics are difficult. But saw elk

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Speaker 5: saw a lot of deer. Actually, I was surprised and

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Speaker 5: just didn't. Yeah, but amazing to get out and amazing

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Speaker 5: to uh, you know, discover that the studs in your

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Speaker 5: in your tense rain fly. Yeah, shaking it all out

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Speaker 5: before the weather gets dangerously cold.

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Speaker 4: It's a pretty pretty unique opportunity to carry a rifle

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Speaker 5: Cool, super cool and yeah, like just gorgeous country. We

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Speaker 5: for four days and nice, saw some moose, saw some goats.

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Speaker 4: Cool, cal You're doing a pretty crazy hunt. Did the

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Speaker 4: company take out a life insurance policy on you before

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Speaker 4: this traditional bow round bear hunt?

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Speaker 1: Well I never thought about that, but knowing some of

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Speaker 1: probably probably there's there's some Vegas style Yeah, that's being

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Speaker 3: It's fan duel first big hunt. Yeah, yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean because that's a long hunt and then.

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Speaker 3: People a little about it real quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out on the Alaska peninsula and it's brown

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Speaker 1: bear and I'll be using my bow, which if you're

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Speaker 1: going to try to get a brown bear with the bow,

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Speaker 1: the fall time is up close and personal time because

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Speaker 1: they're in there on the salmon streams and the water's

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Speaker 5: So it's good.

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Speaker 1: Spot in stock conditions, provided it's not too nasty, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, the the deck is as stacked in

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Speaker 1: your favor as it can be for just getting in tight.

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Speaker 3: Are you are you camping on the island? Are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you doing the boat or how's it gonna work?

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Speaker 1: Well, we're not into the islands, we're not on the ills.

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Speaker 3: That's right, You're on the keen eye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's still TBD as far as because

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Speaker 1: you know, they're just they're flying in and out there

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Speaker 1: out the best spot to be yep and and be there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going up a couple of days before the

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Speaker 1: season starts, and hopefully I have all those little kinks

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Speaker 1: that Randall just gave me a little bit of anxiety

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Speaker 1: with ironed out before it's it's sneaking up on Bear's time.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you a little insider tip. Check your

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Speaker 5: air mattress for any slow leaks. The old hips are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to carry tenacious tape with you, man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I I uh. This is like the

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Speaker 5: first time in a long time. I was certain that

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Speaker 5: I had my my whole repair kit with me, but

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Speaker 5: for what I reason, it didn't make it in the backpack.

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Speaker 5: So it's a useful reminder. Yeah, but yeah, the hips

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Speaker 4: That's a bummer when you wake up and those things

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Speaker 5: It's also a bummer when it's it's been solid. I

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Speaker 5: bought it used like five years ago, patched it one

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Speaker 5: time since, and I've never had an issue. Headed out

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Speaker 3: So and then five years you got your money's worth.

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Speaker 5: Out of it. Yeah, but I don't want to buy

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Speaker 5: a new one. Have you seen the prices these days?

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Speaker 1: They are ghastly. But the flip side of this, right,

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Speaker 1: and this is the covey of signing up for a

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Speaker 1: furthest I have ever in my entire life been into

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Speaker 1: any legal hunting season without hunting a single day. Like

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Speaker 1: I've just got all this other stuff I have got

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Speaker 4: Much going on in the world of conservation and public lands.

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Speaker 4: Cal is too busy.

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Speaker 3: He no longer hunts.

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Speaker 1: That is a real reality. That is just like so easy.

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Speaker 1: Is right there?

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's right there.

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Speaker 1: And I've spent my entire life fighting against that type

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Speaker 3: So start fighting for Cal so he can go hunt.

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Speaker 5: Geez, come on, I've got to lead on some sandhill cranes.

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Speaker 5: Oh lovely from the neighbor. So excellent. I've got plans

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Speaker 5: this weekend if you want to join.

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Speaker 4: All right, we talked about bears a little bit. We're

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Speaker 4: going to talk about bears some more in our first interview.

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Speaker 4: Our first guest today is Brian DeBolt. Brian works out

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Speaker 4: of Lander, Wyoming for the Wyoming Fish and Game Department

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Speaker 4: as a large corn of carnivore conflict coordinator. And the

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Speaker 4: reason I came across Brian is I read an article

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Speaker 4: just in the last couple of days about multiple black

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Speaker 4: bears that were killed by vehicles at the same location

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Speaker 4: over the course of a day or two, I think

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Speaker 4: and decide to follow up with Brian and let him

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Speaker 4: explain to us about why it happened.

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Speaker 3: We got Brian on here. He is, Yes, how's it going, Brian?

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Speaker 6: Good? Hi guys, how are you good?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 5: Good to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for you, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Before we get into this chain reaction roadkill story, can

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Speaker 4: you give us just a little background on what you

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Speaker 4: do for Wyoming fishing game.

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Speaker 8: So, yeah, you read my title. It's a little lengthy.

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Speaker 8: Large carnivore conflict coordinator.

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Speaker 1: So you set up the fights.

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Speaker 8: Well, I try to referee him anything. So the large

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Speaker 8: carnivores in Wyoming that we deal with our black bears,

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Speaker 8: grizzly bears, mountain lions, and wolves, and whenever they come

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Speaker 8: into conflict with people is my role. Whether it's a

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Speaker 8: you know, wolve's killing livestock, or you know, oftentimes hunters encounterbears,

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Speaker 8: maybe even a human gets injured or killed. Unfortunately, that's

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Speaker 4: I imagine you got to have a like a pretty cool

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Speaker 4: but you also need to like kind of keep an

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Speaker 6: Well. It's uh, yeah, cool, I've never been turned.

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Speaker 8: It is an interesting dynamic and often the the people

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Speaker 8: are sometimes more difficult to deal with. You don't say

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Speaker 8: yeah as you know, so it's it's interesting, yeah, And

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Speaker 8: you can't you can't judge people beforehand by any means.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you could run into a kind of a rough,

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Speaker 3: Of them in Wyoming, come on.

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Speaker 8: But they they want to do everything they can to

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Speaker 8: make sure that the bear's okay, that we don't hurt it,

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Speaker 8: that we don't don't have to remove it, you know,

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Speaker 8: lethally kill it or anything. And then next door there's

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Speaker 8: a you know, in that elderly lady or something in

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Speaker 8: as dead as can be.

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Speaker 1: So because it tackle their bird feeder for the fifth time,

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Speaker 1: why can't that bear learn?

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Speaker 8: So you just never know it is it's an interesting

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Speaker 8: dynamic to yeah, be in the middle.

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Speaker 1: It'd be helpful if everybody had some pointy years on

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Speaker 1: both sides of their head that either stand up or

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Speaker 1: lay down.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that we could tell a little better behavior.

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Speaker 4: So with that in mind, with what you're out there

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Speaker 4: doing every day, I gotta imagine this time of year,

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Speaker 4: bears especially like very actively trying to put on as.

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Speaker 3: Much weight as possible.

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Speaker 4: It's it's got to be very busy for you in

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Speaker 4: the conflict department, probably your busiest time of year.

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Speaker 8: Okay, so real Briefly, there's a highway goes over what's

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Speaker 8: long story short, and elk was struck and killed by

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Speaker 4: So and uh, normally you wouldn't get called into any

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Speaker 4: So just for people who aren't following, an elk gets killed,

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Speaker 8: There's road killed everywhere. It just happens a lot. And

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Speaker 8: So I went back up there, and sure as heck,

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Speaker 3: Well maybe not with bears, but.

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Speaker 8: You know, this is the biggest one I've seen. Usually

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Speaker 6: That's not this many.

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Speaker 8: This is the first time I've been you know, doing

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Speaker 4: But I would imagine that, you know, Wyoming's got a

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Speaker 8: That does that? That's true. That's true usually when it

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Speaker 8: I think folks might be a little apprehensive, well, you know,

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Speaker 8: But bottom line is it's just an accident. And so

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Speaker 1: Can you get a salvage tag for black bear in Wyoming?

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Speaker 8: You can, yep, yep, if a if a bear is

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Speaker 1: But not not for roadkill? Can you get it for roadkill?

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Speaker 6: So interesting?

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Speaker 8: So with roadkill, there is a new law that just

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Speaker 8: Wyoming five to one one, And if you come across

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would have thought I was in like a

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Speaker 1: like this is is this considered baiting?

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Speaker 3: Right right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Brian, Uh, Wyoming has been been pretty good at building

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Speaker 8: Yes, they really have. They've been so beneficial And these

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Speaker 8: It's a huge effort between the Game and Fish and

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Speaker 8: these choke points you're talking about where or roadkill accidents

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Speaker 8: we'd sure like to expand it into other areas. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: I guess the last thing is, uh, if someone's involved

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so now that this five to one one app

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Speaker 8: That's an accident. But when when people are actively feeding

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if she didn't live there, you couldn't take

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Speaker 8: Yep, And you couldn't make the money and post it

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Speaker 1: And just to doccupile on here, it's not the bear's fault.

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Speaker 1: It's eating your bird seed. It's your fault for leaving

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Speaker 8: first place. So much of our work is trying to

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00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 8: show people how to Yeah, you can feed birds, have

439
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 8: it at your house, but there's ways to do it

440
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 8: that the bears can't get to it. You know, if

441
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 8: you can't have chickens, you know, electric fences, you know

442
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 8: your grain, horse grain and stuff, put it away at night,

443
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 8: garbage put you know, secure it all away from a bear.

444
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 8: So we work so hard to prevent all these unnecessarily

445
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 8: deaths in the first place.

446
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

447
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: And if you leave a dirty campsite, even if it's

448
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: all that biodegradable material, watermelon rinds, stuff like that, Uh,

449
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: you're just letting bears know that people leave good things behind,

450
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: So pack it out. With you.

451
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 6: Free meal. Yep.

452
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: Okay, Brian, thanks a lot for joining us. It is

453
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 4: a great talk, interesting stuff. Maybe we we'll check back

454
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: in with you about about this kind of same issue

455
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: or something else that you're involved with at a later time.

456
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 6: Excellent. No, yeah, I appreciate you having me. Thank you

457
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 6: very much.

458
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: Thanks.

459
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: Have a good season, neither, well.

460
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: I guess yes, Randall's been out el hunting, but poor

461
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 4: Cal hasn't. But we're gonna move.

462
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 3: On to our rut report.

463
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I remember that sound.

464
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: Oh it's beautiful. Okay.

465
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: This is the week in September that pretty much every

466
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: archery elk hunter who hasn't tagged out has been waiting for.

467
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 4: It's the peak breeding period for elk, and the ideally,

468
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: you know, the bulls should be screaming their heads off

469
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: and you hit the call and they come running in.

470
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 4: It's not always the way it works. But we're gonna

471
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 4: check in with with some hunters we know who are

472
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: out there hunting now. We're out hunting recently, just to

473
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: see if the action's been hot where they're hunting.

474
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, it's Corey Culkin's coming at you with a

475
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 10: Montana rut report for Wednesday September seventeenth, hopefully close. I'm

476
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 10: in south west Montana. This is day five of an

477
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 10: eight day elk hunt, and it's been pretty slow, to

478
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 10: say the least.

479
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 5: The rut activity, that is.

480
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 10: Elk have been pretty quiet, very nocturnal, hearing them in

481
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 10: the dark moving in and out of our little hunting area.

482
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 10: But it's also been pretty crowded too. Here in a

483
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 10: lot of dug fluty bugles from the ridgetops everywhere, and

484
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 10: I don't know if that's keeping the elk quiet, But

485
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 10: few people that I've ran into have agreed that it's

486
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 10: been pretty slow. Excuse me, pretty slow, So I don't

487
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 10: think it's just me hunted numerous different locations, different drainages,

488
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 10: driven an hour each direction from my camp, trying to

489
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 10: find hot cows and bugle and elk. And it's been

490
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 10: quiet in the general vicinity that I'm in. But the

491
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 10: weather's been inconsistent. It's been raining every other day. It

492
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 10: hasn't froze yet either, which I've always found that first

493
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 10: frost of the year really gets them going. And it

494
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 10: still hasn't gotten that cold yet at least here, so

495
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 10: we got pretty consistent weather The next few days really

496
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 10: hoping things pick up starting this afternoon because we only

497
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 10: have two and a half more days on this little

498
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 10: journey and I won't be able to hunt again into October.

499
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 10: So hoping we can pull it off.

500
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 11: And yeah, good.

501
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 10: Luck to everybody out there, and back to you guys

502
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 10: in the studio.

503
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 11: That was real down Durham here with Philips game calls,

504
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 11: just wrapping up an elk hunt from last week. Man,

505
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 11: we faced tough conditions with full moon and warm weather,

506
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 11: and then it kind of turned. We got a bunch

507
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 11: of storms that kind of rolled in and that was

508
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 11: really nice, got a big cool down, but then we

509
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 11: still had that full moon. We were fighting and it

510
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 11: seemed like bulls were just pretty tight lips still. But

511
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 11: around the tenth things kind of turned. Bull started piping

512
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 11: off a little bit in the mornings, and on the

513
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 11: eleven Son Austin kill a nice bull, call him right in.

514
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 11: And then the twelve, thirteen, fourteenth, things are really starting

515
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 11: to pick up. So I feel like we might have

516
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 11: missed the really good calling action because it was kind

517
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 11: of tough there early. So anyway, everybody get out there

518
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 11: take advantage of this time. I think the bulls should

519
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 11: be ripping here for the next week and a half

520
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 11: two weeks and should be some big bulls hitting the dirt.

521
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 11: Good luck out.

522
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 12: There, Hey, guys, coming to you from central Colorado, right

523
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 12: in the middle of muzzleloader season. We're out here looking

524
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 12: for some elk in the past few days, checking out

525
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 12: another zone today. He might be able to hear it.

526
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 12: Behind me, there's a spring with some running water. You

527
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 12: can kind of see the aspens are starting to turn.

528
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 12: Had some good sign did hear some bugles a couple

529
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 12: of days ago, but haven't gotten close yet. The weather's

530
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 12: been good, good fall weather, plenty of rain, and we

531
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 12: actually had some some snow at about eleven thousand feet

532
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 12: as well, and it got down to about forty degrees

533
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 12: the last couple of nights, so we're hoping that gets

534
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 12: them fired up. So it's been fun checking out these zones.

535
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 12: This time of year. It's a nice time to be out.

536
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 12: So looking forward to the rest of the week and

537
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 12: we'll keep you posted.

538
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 5: Good luck everybody.

539
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, guys.

540
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 13: This is Logan here with the Reut report coming out

541
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 13: of southwest Montana. Things are definitely shaping up to be

542
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 13: a great couple of weeks out hunting as we head

543
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 13: into the third week of September in the place that

544
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 13: we've been hunting. The opening weekend, things were pretty slow.

545
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 13: We didn't hear too many elk bugling. We saw a

546
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 13: lot of cows, but most of the bulls seemed to

547
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 13: be in their summer range and hadn't came down to

548
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 13: try to breed cows yet. You know, this past weekend

549
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 13: things were starting to pick up. We heard a lot

550
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 13: more elk vocalizations elk rebublin at night, later into the morning.

551
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 13: We're able to call bulls in on Saturday, and we've

552
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 13: heard them talking all Sunday. So this this next week

553
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 13: should be even better. The fall equinox is on September

554
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 13: twenty second this year, which is typically corresponds with the

555
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 13: peak rut, and cows are coming into heat around that

556
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 13: time period. So typically the five or ten days before

557
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 13: and after the fall equinox or the peak rut, you're

558
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 13: going to have a lot of rutting behavior, which will

559
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 13: make elk much more susceptible to calling.

560
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 7: Bulls are going to be fired up.

561
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: You know.

562
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 13: It's just a great experience to be in the woods

563
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 13: and here elk bugling. So this is the perfect time

564
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 13: of year to do that, especially these next couple weeks.

565
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 13: So you know, in southwest Montana, we've got some cooler weather.

566
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 7: It's not too hot.

567
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 13: The new moon's approaching, so the nights are going to

568
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 13: be dark, the days are going to be relatively cool,

569
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 13: and those are all the perfect conditions for all county.

570
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 13: So I am very much looking forward to getting back

571
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 13: out there. I hope you guys are too. I've got

572
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 13: a hunting trip plans. You're in for a good however

573
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 13: long you're going to be out there for, and yeah,

574
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 13: can't wait to get back out. I hope you guys

575
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 13: are having fun and.

576
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 5: Good luck out there.

577
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 14: Jason Phelps with Phelps Game Calls, calling in for a

578
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 14: quick Elk Woods Rutt report. I've been in Northern Utah

579
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 14: hunting since the eighth of September. It's now the thirteenth

580
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 14: of September, and kind of what we've seen, we've had

581
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 14: some good days, but it's just not quite cranking yet.

582
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 14: Some of the bigger bulls are still leaving their cows,

583
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 14: you know, in the morning, to go bed separately. Still,

584
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 14: so it just kind of lets you know that things

585
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 14: aren't really happening. We have got on some herds where

586
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 14: some cows have been an estris, and you've heard bulls

587
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 14: glunking and really trailing you know, specific cows. But overall,

588
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 14: I feel like it's just kind of getting going. I

589
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 14: would say in the next day or two, you know,

590
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 14: maybe some cold weather snap in there, but I would

591
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 14: say by the fifteenth, sixteenth, things are heating up to

592
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 14: really be going. But that's my rut report from northern Utah.

593
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 14: Things are just getting ready to be going. And I would,

594
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 14: if I had to guess, the fifteenth to thirtieth is

595
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 14: going to be on fire. Take care of Good luck

596
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 14: to all you out there, and good luck in Elk Woods.

597
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Our audience here asked to decide if any of those

598
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: people are you know, worth listening to in the first.

599
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: Player full of Shit, Yeah, exactly, exactly.

600
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 5: Corey looks like he is on day five. Okay, day hut.

601
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: Those reports just just make even angrier that you're not

602
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: out there right now.

603
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: Cal oh no, no, I would love love to be

604
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: out there, but I always I have always done a

605
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: heck of a lot better. If I didn't listen to

606
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: any of that type of stuff and you just went hunting,

607
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: you just gotta go hh. Yeah, I agree with that.

608
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're pretty consistent reports. You yeah things

609
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: right now is the time?

610
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 11: Right?

611
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: Sure?

612
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I do. Uh the throwing out the equinox as fact, well,

613
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, fall equinox happens, and the activity

614
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: has to peek around that, you.

615
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: Know, because some people would say that about the moon too.

616
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

617
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 5: Although I'm inclined to listen to Logan because he filled

618
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 5: every single tag that he had in Montana last year. Yeah, man,

619
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 5: I think the only guy in the office that I.

620
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: Think Logan is fantastic. He's a fellow third floor office mate.

621
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: Last year was his first.

622
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

623
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 5: Oh, come on, I'm not I'm just sad.

624
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: Context.

625
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: All right, it's time for some listener feedback. Give us

626
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: some juicy, juicy stuff, phil important questions, hot takes, grumpy people,

627
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 4: happy people, lay it on us.

628
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 7: Sure, this is from Spicy Nachos. I have an ethical

629
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 7: question for you. I would out elk hunting last week

630
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 7: and came across a cow with a severely broken leg.

631
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 7: The kicker is that she had a calf with her

632
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 7: in a wolf dense area. Would to take the cow? Well,

633
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 7: there's some typos in there. But I don't know if

634
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 7: you guys can put to put together a.

635
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know that that's like it's not ethical.

636
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: I don't think it's unethical to not shoot her. I

637
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 4: don't know about you guys, but I also think there's

638
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: no problem with shooting her.

639
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know there's.

640
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: You can't assume with wild legs. Yeah, I've seen uh

641
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: way back when the first dude I guided with, he

642
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: had a three legged dough that had you know, noticeable limp,

643
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: And every set of clients who had a dough tag

644
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: was like, well, it'd probably be better if I had

645
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: killed her, and you know, we'd be like, yeah, cool,

646
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: make a stock. And this this old gal was cagy.

647
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: But the truth was, I mean she was there for

648
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: five years, twins.

649
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: And there was this dough that lived like near my

650
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: buddy's house where we used to hunt. There was a

651
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: dough we called Peggy and she was around for almost

652
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: three years.

653
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Because she reminded you of your aunt.

654
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: Because she was missing a leg.

655
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I will say this past weekend at our

656
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 5: first camp on the Glassy Knob, the first thing we

657
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: saw was a bull moose and we're like, that's not

658
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Speaker 5: what I thought the first thing we see on this

659
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: trip would be, and that that moose had I don't

660
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: know if it's a broken leg or some kind of growth,

661
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: but its back left leg was swollen up like the

662
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: size of a basketball, and it was kind of dragging

663
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 5: it and it fell or almost fell a couple of

664
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 5: times just trying to step over things. And god, it

665
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: was hard to watch. But I you know, it's like

666
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 5: if it's it's one thing, if you have a tag, right,

667
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: and it's like, that's an animal. If you're after a

668
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 5: cow elk it's got a broken leg, I think that

669
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Speaker 5: calf is going to be fine.

670
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the opposite of that, right, is like

671
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: that cow has proven to be a successful adult breeding animal.

672
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: She is expending energy to keep that calf around. If

673
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: you're really thinking about her health, I'd kill the calf.

674
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: That way. Mom gets to focus on herself and she's

675
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Speaker 1: got the survival instincts. Mathematically, that calf is probably is

676
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: voted the most likely to die. Yeah for being an idiot.

677
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: And listen, if you're going to decide to shoot an

678
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 4: animal that's injured like that, you're you know, you got

679
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: to own up to it.

680
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: If you cut that thing open and that whole hind

681
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: quarter is green and smelly.

682
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, yeah, that's your tag.

683
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a right or wrong answer for that.

684
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: Like if if it makes you feel good to kill her,

685
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: kill her. If not, like, go fill your tag with

686
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: another animal.

687
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: And don't assume.

688
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 7: Logan came in to clarify that he killed those elk

689
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 7: with a bow, so he just wants to. He also

690
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 7: says he's killed elk before that, but I don't know

691
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 7: what he's referring.

692
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: I got your logan last year was his first archery elk,

693
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 5: but he's killed other elk.

694
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 7: M This is a big question, but I don't think

695
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 7: it's something we've tackled before on any podcast I've been

696
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 7: a part of.

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00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus.

698
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 7: This is from Ethan Blair. What was your worst hunting

699
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 7: or fishing trip? And why is anything the first thing

700
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 7: that pops into your head?

701
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: Mmm.

702
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you, like bad attitudes in camp. We

703
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: used to call him the camp cancer and the you

704
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: can be on for all reasonable people, it would be

705
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: like the worst trip ever. But if everybody on the

706
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: worst trip ever has a good attitude, it's still like

707
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: an enjoyable time.

708
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: I'm trying, I'm trying really hard to think of a

709
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 4: trip where I was like, God, in hindsight, that was horrible.

710
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: But a lot of times the horrible trips you look

711
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 4: back and you're like, that was okay, that was fun, Like.

712
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: Exactly, that's an adventure.

713
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 5: I have a bad one for my dad when we

714
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: went to the Boundary Waters. One of the times we

715
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 5: went to the Boundary Waters, well, he got he got

716
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 5: the treble hook. He got a treble hook, one rock

717
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: in each finger, and we busted that out. Then he

718
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 5: was throwing a bear bag or a bear hang over

719
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: over a limb, sort of standing on a steep cut bank,

720
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: and he fell down the cup bank. You know, his

721
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 5: momentum throwing the throwing the rock took him down the

722
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: cup bank. And and that was the same day as

723
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 5: the fishing hook. And then the next day he and

724
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 5: the other guy that was in his canoe capsized in

725
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 5: the middle of a giant lake. A great story. Oh

726
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 5: and he got bit by a spider. And so when

727
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 5: we got back to Ely, they took him into Duluth

728
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: because they thought it might have been brown recluse, and

729
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: he was. It was like the wound was opening up,

730
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 5: and I was just like, man, that's.

731
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: A rough day.

732
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 5: That's a rough that's a rough little trip for one guy.

733
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 5: But that was a great trip for me.

734
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I would rather be on a bad trip with great

735
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: attitudes than a great trip with bad attitudes.

736
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Totally, totally, completely.

737
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 7: I'll do a couple more here. That was from Ethan

738
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 7: by the way, this one's this one's fun. I think

739
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 7: this is from Michael. Question for the crew, what coworker

740
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 7: would each of you pick to hunt hunt with for

741
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 7: white tail, elk, and black bear? And I encourage hurting

742
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 7: each other's feelings too.

743
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: I don't hunt with like the whole crew for any

744
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: of them.

745
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 7: No, you can't say that you gotta pick one.

746
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: fIF one for each species.

747
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 5: Sure, Yeah, for white tail, I would say either Mark

748
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 5: or Spencer. Sure, based on based on improving my odds

749
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: of success.

750
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd want Jason Fellis to guide me for.

751
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 5: Elk, yep, and then black bear. Maybe Corey Caulkins.

752
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kills a nice one every year.

753
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be honest? This is kind of ruthless. Well, well,

754
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 5: I mean he seems to have a lot of long,

755
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: lonely hikes in the spring, yes, Uh, this is ruthless.

756
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: I would love with uh Dirk because I haven't got

757
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: a l hunt with him. Jason Phelps is very fun

758
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: dude to hunt with, like like just just fun. And

759
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: when we hunted the other night that was killed anything

760
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: it was. It was a fantastic trip. And I would

761
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: rather go white tail hunting with Mark Kenyon over Tony

762
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: Peterson purely for you know what, maybe I retract.

763
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 5: That you know what you know you still haven't say

764
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: is Clay for black bear?

765
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Spencer new Heart for whitetail? Yeah, because

766
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: I know I would just bug the living shit out

767
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: of it and it would be very entertaining the whole time.

768
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: You'd be like, God, forget these white tails. I'm gonna

769
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: go look for a mule.

770
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 5: Do I've gone to Well, I guess I have black

771
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: bear hunted with Clay, but I'd love to sit in

772
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 5: a tree stand over bait with Clay just to see

773
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 5: him watch bears, because I've gone to the zoo with

774
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 5: Clay and watched bears at the zoo with Clay and

775
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: that was fun.

776
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 12: Yeah.

777
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, that would be very entertaining.

778
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 7: Okay, I'll save the rest of later. No, Phil, you're

779
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 7: doing great, Okay, thanks, we'll do one. Mores is from Noah.

780
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 7: Question for Randall on a scale from one to ten,

781
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 7: how bummed are you that you missed the D and

782
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 7: D session?

783
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 5: Honestly, I'm sick to my stomach.

784
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 7: I was too. I was devastated when I can't.

785
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: Believe Spencer lined it up in that way. I made

786
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 5: my availability clear, uh and and yeah, it's just enough.

787
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: Asked him why you weren't there, and he said you

788
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: weren't available?

789
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was country.

790
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

791
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 7: I saw Randall declined the invite, and I sent him

792
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 7: a text saying, you're going to miss miss the session.

793
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: I was trying to well.

794
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: I didn't even realize it was D and D. I

795
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 5: thought it was just gonna be feel trivial, nobody.

796
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 7: The only two people that knew it was happening were

797
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 7: my wife and Spencer's wife.

798
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: So I still don't think I understand what D and

799
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: D is, But it seemed.

800
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I hopefully Phil, you were you were pleased with our

801
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: ability to adapt. It was hard at FT. I was like,

802
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: I was so confused, what was going I tried to.

803
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 7: Ease you into it, and you guys did did so well.

804
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 7: There were even people that messaged me saying, I'm so

805
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 7: glad Brody and cal were game to play, because I

806
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 7: thought they would just turn their nose up at it.

807
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 7: And I I had that worry too, which is why

808
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 7: I invited Shelby to bring some enthusiasm into the room

809
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 7: in case you guys just walked out on me.

810
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand. I was like, I was waiting

811
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: for like a formal like rule thing. Okay, and now

812
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: this is how you play the game. I was like, I, yeah,

813
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: you guys didn't need that. It was hard you got Yeah,

814
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: he did great, it was a lot of fun.

815
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: You'll have to develop a new campaign that campaigns what

816
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 4: it's called, right Phil. That's right, Brody, we'll do a

817
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: new campaign sometimes sounds good.

818
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 7: Cool. All right, that's it for now, Phil, For now

819
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 7: we go. We'll save some more for the end of

820
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 7: the show. So all right, keep sending him in.

821
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: We got another interview coming up.

822
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: Next up, we've got Chris Hill, who is the CEO

823
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: of the Conservation Lands Foundation. She'll be joining us from Alaska.

824
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: CLF is the only organization dedicated to the conservation and

825
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: expansion of national conservation lands, which she'll have to explain

826
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: a little bit, which currently total about thirty eight million acres,

827
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna let Cal handle this one because he'll

828
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: do a better job than me.

829
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris and I are internet friends.

830
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome Chris.

831
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I just say that because we haven't met in person ever.

832
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: As this world goes, Yes, how are you Chris Hill?

833
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 15: Great? How are you guys doing things? For having me?

834
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: And where are you today?

835
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 16: I am in Haynes, Alaska, which is southeast Alaska, and

836
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 16: it's the first day in four days that it hasn't rained,

837
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 16: so it's really nice out.

838
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Do you would you mind hitting us with a quick

839
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: Southeast Alaska hunt fish report? Have you been doing anything fun?

840
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 5: Oh?

841
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 16: Yeah, so you know this is this is the best

842
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 16: time I think to be in Southeast Alaska because it's

843
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 16: co host season so.

844
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 15: And Coho is probably my one of my favorite fish

845
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 15: too to fish for. So they're here. The derby started.

846
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 16: I gotta I gotta keep my championship up and win

847
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 16: the derby again this year.

848
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 5: Oh wow, you're the returning champ.

849
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 16: I am the returning champ on the fly only.

850
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 5: Still nonetheless.

851
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's fun, it's a lot, it's really fun.

852
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 16: And we just got back from a trip to Yakutat

853
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 16: to go surfing and fishing, and we did a little

854
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 16: fish a couple of days on the Sea Tuck to.

855
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 15: Fish for coho and it was just fantastic.

856
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: And steelhead fishery too, right they do.

857
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, so sea took the Sea Tuck is a really

858
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 16: awesome river. It's in the Tongas and it's home to

859
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 16: all five she sees a Pacific salmon and has a

860
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 16: healthy steelhead run. So it's it was, It was really amazing.

861
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 15: Yeah.

862
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Heck yeah, Well, since you said the magic word tongus,

863
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: would would you like to really this is your time, Chris.

864
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: But we have lots of things happening all at once

865
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: in the conservation landscape. What are you and clf uh

866
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: working on the most? What's what's your number one item

867
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: to tackle?

868
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 15: Oh that's that's a hard one. So because there's just

869
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 15: so many things.

870
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 16: So Conservation Lands Foundation represents this broad, nonpartisan national network

871
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 16: of community leaders that are solely focused on the lands

872
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 16: from BLM. We're focused on expanding, protecting, and restoring those

873
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 16: lands at BLM. And you know, as you guys know,

874
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 16: BLM is the has the largest amount of the country's

875
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Speaker 16: public lands at two hundred and forty five million acres,

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Speaker 16: and just in comparison, that's larger than the Forest Service

877
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 16: and probably three times.

878
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 15: Larger than the National Park Service.

879
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 16: So these are all those lands in between the National

880
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 16: Park Service, and we work with over eighty community led

881
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 16: land conservation organizations across the West and really do it

882
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 16: in this sort of community based advocacy model where investing

883
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 16: in local leaders to protect their lands has really proven

884
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Speaker 16: to be one of.

885
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 15: The most effective strategies.

886
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 16: So, you know, really as we look at sort of

887
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Speaker 16: the onslaught of all of the things that are happening

888
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 16: and all of the attacks that are happening on public lands,

889
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 16: the idea that we want to privatize these places is

890
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 16: still incredibly unpopular opinion in the communities. And we'll continue

891
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 16: to see, you know, we as a community did a

892
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Speaker 16: really great job the selloff of public lands during the

893
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Speaker 16: reconciliation fight, but we're going to continue to see the

894
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 16: onslaught of more and more things that are going to

895
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Speaker 16: come from the administration and Congress to try to continue

896
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Speaker 16: to privatize those lands. So right now, what we're working on,

897
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Speaker 16: and I would say there's probably two big issues at

898
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Speaker 16: the moment, the repeal of resource management plans within Congress,

899
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Speaker 16: and then on the administration side, it's opening up drilling

900
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Speaker 16: in the Western Arctic and the repeal of the public

901
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 16: Lands Rule.

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Speaker 1: And we have not talked a lot about Western Arctic

903
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: here recently. Would you want to give us a quick

904
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Speaker 1: snapshot of of what the conversation is. Western Arctic obviously

905
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: huge caribou area, and our Western Arctic herd is not

906
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: historically healthy right now from a population standpoint, and Western

907
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: Arctic has some calving areas, and obviously a huge migration

908
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: route for our migratory birds.

909
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, and it's one of the last remaining intact ecosystems

910
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 16: we have on the planet. Right, I think I think

911
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 16: you went this summer to did you go to the

912
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Speaker 16: Western Arctic.

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Speaker 1: Or well, we have been like we would have been

914
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Speaker 1: east to west. Yeah, we were, so we were, we were.

915
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: We were still quite aways east to like Prudo. Okay, yeah,

916
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: we're closer to Canada.

917
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 15: Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

918
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 16: But that whole entire system, right is super important. And

919
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 16: so right now we're kind of in a holding pattern

920
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 16: at the moment. So in June, the Interior Department proposed

921
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 16: to rescind the current Integrated Activities Plan.

922
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 15: So it's like a management plan for the Western Arctic.

923
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 16: And that plan limited oil and gas development from expanding

924
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Speaker 16: into the special areas, which is some of what you've

925
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Speaker 16: been talking about within the Western Arctic. The important piece

926
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Speaker 16: of that plan is that it really did balance energy

927
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Speaker 16: production with the protection of this ecosystem. They opened it

928
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 16: up to rescind it, they proposed to rescind it, they

929
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 16: had a comment period.

930
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Speaker 15: That common period.

931
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 16: Has since closed, and during that common period, we really

932
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Speaker 16: saw the communities rise up and have a steady drombeat

933
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Speaker 16: of opposition. So right now we're waiting for the administration

934
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Speaker 16: to release its final plan.

935
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Speaker 15: During there at the same time, if you remember, during

936
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Speaker 15: the congression all.

937
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 16: Reconciliation fight, the Senate added back in provisions that directed

938
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Speaker 16: DOI to resume oil and gas, the oil and gas

939
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 16: leasing program in the Western Arctic. So this that provision

940
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 16: sort of went back to the Trump era plan that

941
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Speaker 16: requires at least four million acres to be leased for drilling.

942
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Speaker 15: So there's more to come here.

943
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Speaker 16: I think we'll it'll start to unravel itself again and

944
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Speaker 16: we're probably going to see this in the courts.

945
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Speaker 1: And then I guess real quick, what from that community

946
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Speaker 1: level that you spoke about, what's the community response in

947
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Speaker 1: regarding in regards to rescinding roadless in the in the Tongas.

948
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Speaker 1: Tongus and roadless typically go hand in hand. You can't

949
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Speaker 1: talk about Roadless Act without talking about Tongus.

950
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's for sure, you know.

951
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 16: So Tongus is national forest and it's it's dear to

952
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 16: my heart because it is in my backyard. This is

953
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 16: where I recreate all the time. And the Tonguess National

954
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Speaker 16: Forest is particularly going to be affected by the recision

955
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 16: of the roadless rule because it's you know, the worldless areas,

956
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 16: and the Tongus is almost ninety two percent of all

957
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 16: of the forest. And you know, as you guys know,

958
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 16: the Tongus is the largest national forest in the United States.

959
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 16: It's the world's last remaining temperate rainforest. It's called the

960
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 16: climate forest or the lungs of the North of North

961
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 16: America because of its old growth trees and the ability

962
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 16: for those trees to really like breathe in carbon and

963
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 16: use it as a carbon sink for the rest of

964
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 16: the earth. It's completely and just beautifully biologically diverse it's

965
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 16: home to brown bears.

966
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 15: And black bears and wolves and all sorts of Sitka.

967
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 16: Blacktail deer, which by the way, that's that hunt is

968
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Speaker 16: starting soon too, so I'm super excited about that.

969
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 15: And it's like it's one of the most important habitats.

970
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 16: For all five species of Pacific salmon, so it's super important.

971
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 16: It's culturally important for indigenous folks who have steward and

972
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 16: lived on the land since time immemorial, and it's a

973
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Speaker 16: tourism powerhouse. You have all of the things right for

974
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Speaker 16: the Tongas that just make it a really important place.

975
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Speaker 16: And because of all of those things, those communities are

976
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 16: the ones that are really standing up and saying no,

977
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Speaker 16: we want to keep the roadless rule intact, and it's

978
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Speaker 16: important to do so. You know, the roadless rule has

979
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 16: been around since two thousand and one. It's nine million

980
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 16: acres of the Tongas that are designated as roadless, and

981
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 16: it's important for us to continue that. It's not just

982
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 16: the Tongus that the roadless rule helps, right, it's across

983
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 16: the west and probably a lot of areas where your

984
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 16: folks are listening from as well. So I think we

985
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 16: have one more day. I think the comment period ends tomorrow.

986
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 16: I know Trod Unlimited if you go on to TU

987
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Speaker 16: dot org that you can submit a comment on their portal.

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

989
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: T's got a good map too. The Wilderness Society's got

990
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: a good map up. BHA's got a good map up.

991
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: If you've got on X you can see you can

992
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: put on your your roadless area layer and and see

993
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: you real quick. Speaking out of bos Angelus here, our

994
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: entire watershed for the Gallatin Valley is in a roadless

995
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: area and highly highly accessible for all you casual dog

996
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: walkers even so exactly. Yeah, well, well used, well loved stuff.

997
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah darn right. Well how do folks learn more about

998
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: CLF Chris.

999
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 15: Oh, great question. So we're on all the socials, right,

1000
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 15: you can.

1001
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 16: You could find us on Instagram and all of the

1002
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 16: social media's and then you also can go to Conservation

1003
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 16: Lands dot org. That's our website. You can get involved there.

1004
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 16: We also, as I said, we work with over eighty

1005
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 16: local nonprofits, and I would imagine that a lot of

1006
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 16: folks can be connected to some of those local nonprofits

1007
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 16: to really do some of the work on the ground

1008
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 16: and get to know the folks in the communities.

1009
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Speaker 5: And I will add that you just mentioned to U's

1010
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 5: action page. I went on there and just submitted a

1011
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 5: comment now and I even personalized it, so everybody in

1012
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 5: the chat, it doesn't take that long to go and

1013
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 5: make your voice heard on these public lands issues.

1014
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 16: That's right, and you know we've seen time and time

1015
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 16: again it's those comments that make a difference.

1016
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 15: Some people are like, what is my comment going to do?

1017
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 16: But it actually makes a different increase that record to

1018
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 16: show that either the public is for or against an issue.

1019
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 16: And you know, when we're looking at it from the

1020
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 16: agency perspective, but also from the congressional perspective. Congress people

1021
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 16: want to hear from their constituencies. And when we band

1022
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 16: together and have that voice become you know, very large

1023
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 16: and big things happen and things change. And we saw

1024
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 16: that with the publicly and sell off fight.

1025
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 5: That's right.

1026
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: And if you folks at home want to think about

1027
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: it in a very tangible way, do you act differently

1028
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: when people are paying attention to you?

1029
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 15: Exactly?

1030
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 1: Our representatives and our senators, they can darn sure act

1031
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: differently when they know a lot of people are paying

1032
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: attention to them. So right, that's part of getting your

1033
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: comment yeah, uh, Chris Hill, thank you so much. Con

1034
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: Conservation Lands Foundation, we'll have to have you back on

1035
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: and where to go, Where to folks to find you again.

1036
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 16: Conservation lands dot org or any social channels.

1037
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, thank you so much, and we or I

1038
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: we'll see you in the heart of the cold, cold

1039
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: city next week when we're going to talk about climate

1040
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: and conservation and public lands in Manhattan an actual island.

1041
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: Running around there.

1042
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 15: No, we might see some rats though.

1043
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Chris.

1044
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, thank you all, and I'll see you soon.

1045
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 11: Thank you.

1046
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 5: Thanks Chris.

1047
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: We got a new segment for you today and it

1048
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: is called Three Harsh Truths.

1049
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 7: Hey, little honey, let me launch your candle cozy so

1050
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 7: hot to handle now, spin doctors like I just.

1051
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: I just came up with this segment of couple of

1052
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: days ago, and you just, oh my.

1053
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 5: God, we should just make up new segments all the time.

1054
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 7: Oh please don't.

1055
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 5: It's the highlight of this show.

1056
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: Three Harsh Truths is where our panel of experts, self

1057
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: appointed experts, We're gonna share some things that most people

1058
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: might not want to believe, but they're certainly true, at

1059
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: least according to us. And I thought about calling it

1060
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 4: hot takes, but it's like overused and hot takes are

1061
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: typically opinions that are expressed like without any real evidence,

1062
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 4: and we wouldn't do that to you, So we're gonna

1063
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 4: share ours with you in order cal laid on us.

1064
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: What's a harsh truth.

1065
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: Buying your hunting and fishing license is not enough. You

1066
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: have got to if you want to be a responsible

1067
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: hunter or angler, you have got to participate in our

1068
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: system of wildlife management, which sometimes you would feel like

1069
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: is being political, but uh, fill out your surveys, go

1070
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: to in person, go to your fishing game committee meetings,

1071
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: participate in the comment periods, and write your senators and

1072
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: congress people. It makes a huge difference.

1073
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 4: I love filling out those surveys and showing up to

1074
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 4: meetings too.

1075
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 5: Is like you feel so much more involved and you

1076
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 5: have you have such a greater awareness of what's happening.

1077
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: Is you're to learn a bunch of stuff you otherwise

1078
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: would not.

1079
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 5: Sometimes it feels like cheating in terms of just like

1080
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 5: being aware of what's happening with wildlife in your state.

1081
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, Do you want to like round robin this

1082
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: thing or do you want me to go do all three.

1083
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: Well, we decide you can lay another one on us,

1084
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: raynal and I should have told you we're just gonna

1085
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: do one each.

1086
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, great, But if you got an all quick one, lay.

1087
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: It on ye Antelope jump fences.

1088
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: I've seen it.

1089
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: They can do it around for fifteen and is wondering what.

1090
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: To do when they end up at.

1091
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 5: That dovetails with Uh, this isn't my harsh truth. But

1092
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 5: one of my harsh truths is, like all the stuff

1093
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 5: you've heard isn't isn't right?

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Randall.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 5: My harsh truth is this. Uh, there's there's a lot

1096
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 5: of like a discourse online about social media and hunting

1097
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 5: and and like is social media ruining hunting? And and

1098
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 5: a lot of it focuses specifically on like what's unique

1099
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 5: about hunting and social media. My harsh truth is social

1100
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 5: media's ruining everything. If you have any hobby, it's being

1101
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 5: it's being ruined by social media. And I would just like,

1102
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 5: if you look at like all the problems, I feel

1103
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 5: like a lot of the problems that people complain about

1104
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 5: in the hunting world are just problems about the modern world,

1105
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 5: Like permits in national parks are hard to get, like

1106
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 5: everything's getting too expensive, and so I just feel like

1107
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 5: there's a lot of like finger pointing within the hunting

1108
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 5: community about what's ruining who's ruining what. I mean, there

1109
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 5: is that too, but it's like thermals. It's like, if

1110
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 5: you want to go backpacking somewhere, someone's already you could

1111
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: watch a video of someone with a GoPro on their

1112
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 5: head walking that trail.

1113
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 4: Like I went down, like I've been running more and

1114
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 4: more lately, and I went down a running social media

1115
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 4: trail tragically the other day. And it's like social media

1116
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 4: is ruining running. I'm like really like, because it's not

1117
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 4: ruining it for me. It's like whether you choose to

1118
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 4: allow it to ruin it for.

1119
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 10: You or not.

1120
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 3: Like no one's on the gun to your head telling.

1121
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 4: You to like believe or follow what's on every social

1122
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 4: media page.

1123
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 5: It's ridiculous and I think that, Like now, I had

1124
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: a lot of thoughts about this, and they sort of sprawled.

1125
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 5: The one is you haven't everything you've heard isn't true.

1126
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 5: The other is like, just decide what you want and

1127
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 5: you'll get it out of hunting, right, Like, like, oh,

1128
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 5: do you want to go somewhere and see no see

1129
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 5: see no other hunters.

1130
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: You can do that, or you can decide to let

1131
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: social media ruin.

1132
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 5: It for you. Yeah exactly, Like like it's it's all

1133
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 5: about keeping it in perspective and just recognizing that like

1134
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 5: the finger pointing and the X y z. Yeah, like

1135
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 5: that's all. It's not unique to our community, not at all.

1136
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of breath and and ink wasted

1137
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 5: on it.

1138
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to do social media, do d

1139
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: I y woodworking plumbing electrocal. Yeah yeah, then man, that's

1140
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: who I'm watching.

1141
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, I know, like there's I'm sure there's plumbers

1142
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 5: out there, Like social media's ruined plumbing.

1143
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't make as much money as damn it.

1144
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 5: Randall can replace the light switch now, Yeah, exactly.

1145
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: Nice, Randall. I like that month's a little longer. I'll

1146
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:26,479
Speaker 3: get through it though.

1147
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 4: There's a quote from a hunting writer and I don't

1148
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 4: call who it is, but it's stuck with me over

1149
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 4: the years, and it goes something like, anyone can take

1150
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 4: a five hundred yard shot at an animal, but it

1151
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 4: takes a really good hunter to sneak in and kill

1152
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 4: one at fifty yards. And the reason I'm telling you

1153
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 4: that quote is I strongly believe, based on years of experience,

1154
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 4: that it's a mistake to encourage or allow young or

1155
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 4: novice hunters to take long ass rifle shots at big

1156
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 4: game animals. And like long is relative, right, like it's

1157
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: it's this, there's not one specific distance, but I'll get

1158
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 4: I'll get.

1159
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 3: Further into that later.

1160
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 4: But the reason why is, even if a new hunter

1161
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 4: is practiced and they're capable of making four or five

1162
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 4: hundred yard shots at the range, shooting at animals like

1163
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 4: in the heat of the moment is just way different

1164
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 4: than shooting at paper targets. And for every hunter, but

1165
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: especially an experienced hunter, the goal should always be to

1166
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 4: get as close as possible to minimize the chance for

1167
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: a poor shot, a miss or a wounded animal whatever.

1168
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 4: But I think just as important that that's the reason

1169
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 4: you always hear, but just as important long range shooting

1170
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 4: at animals is not how you learn to be a

1171
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 4: good hunter.

1172
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: It's just like not has nothing to do with it.

1173
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 4: Becoming a good hunter comes from reading like things like

1174
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 4: reading sign watching the behavior and body language of animals,

1175
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: learning how to like pick a route that keeps you

1176
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 4: out of sight on a start, being quiet, paying attention

1177
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 4: to the wind direction, Like those are the things that

1178
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: that's how you become a good hunter. And I like, personally,

1179
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna get up on the soapbox, like

1180
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 4: I I held to a strict no shots over two

1181
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 4: hundred yards rule with my older son for his first

1182
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 4: three big game seasons. And I know he's like a

1183
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 4: better hunter for it because he was learning along the way.

1184
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 4: And it taught me a lot because it didn't hamper

1185
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: his success one bit. In his first three hunting seasons,

1186
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 4: he killed three meal deer bucks in an antelope buck

1187
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 4: like following that two.

1188
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: Hundred yard rule.

1189
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 4: And then like, now he's a little older and I'll

1190
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 4: let him. He's shot more, he's shot at animal, he's

1191
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 4: shot at targets more, and I'll let him stretch that range.

1192
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 5: Out a little bit.

1193
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is just like a funny observational story.

1194
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: But my good buddy Jim, like old old, old old

1195
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: Jim down in Idaho, he's real. He's yeah, I think, well,

1196
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: he's always the oldest of our hunting group. And he

1197
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: bought a super fancy sheep rifle ultra light thing.

1198
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 4: And that's the thing is those types of long range

1199
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: systems are like so prevalent now that it's just like there,

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01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 4: you know.

1201
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: There, But here's the fun thing, Like he and he's

1202
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: got a you can shoot like a mile on his

1203
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: own property, like step out the door, and he shoots

1204
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: all the time and has the ability to do it.

1205
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: And he's very capable. And about three seasons after getting

1206
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: this rifle, he's like the furthest shot I have ever

1207
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: made with this exploative expletive rifle is one hundred and

1208
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: fifty yards. Yeah, And because when you grow up and

1209
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: you've put the time in to become that good hunter,

1210
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: your interactions with animals are much tighter.

1211
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: They're also more fun and excite they.

1212
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: Are, but you are just naturally putting yourself in a

1213
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: tighter distance. And the reality is is like the closer

1214
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 1: you can get, the fewer variables you are going to encounter. YEP,

1215
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: And you know your ability to see what could be

1216
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: blocking your shot, no matter what scope you have at

1217
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty yards is not as good as

1218
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: it's going to be at one hundred and fifty years.

1219
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 4: I like, I'm not I don't want this seem like

1220
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 4: I'm trashing long range shooting. I just think it's a

1221
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 4: disservice to like young and new hunters to be like, there's.

1222
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 3: A bucket five hundred yards, lay down, shoot, you know,

1223
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: like it's just like they're not learning much.

1224
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, I watched some folks. I watched these guys

1225
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: shoot this buck last year and it wasn't all that far,

1226
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: but this is like a dense grizzly bear area, and

1227
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: you know, they charged up the hill. They probably shot

1228
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: at like four hundred and fifty yards, which is a

1229
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: long shot, but not crazy far when you're talking about

1230
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: long range shooting. And I watched those guys walk around

1231
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: trying to find this deer that dropped in its tracks

1232
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: for forty minutes, to the point where I was like,

1233
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: I better help like bird dog these people into where

1234
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: the deer drops. And there's just things like that that

1235
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: people don't consider. Yeah, and if you don't know you

1236
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: whacked that thing, a lot of people are going to

1237
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: give up on it and be like, oh God, maybe

1238
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: I missed. The doubt starts creeping in. And there's the

1239
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: state of Wyoming. They had a conversation in the Fishing

1240
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: Game regulation process about trying to address long range shooting

1241
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: and there's ways that all of which would be you know,

1242
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: it's it's regulating morality, which is not something we can

1243
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: do effectively. But limitation on the amount of ammunition you

1244
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: can pack with.

1245
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 3: You make you think twice about.

1246
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: And I think I'm like, what would the effect be

1247
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: if it's like how many tags do you have? You

1248
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: got one valid tag? You get five rounds. That's three day, right,

1249
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: and two extra in case you think the rifle got

1250
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: knocked off a zero already need to prove you're.

1251
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 5: You're still funny. I've never heard that the round limitation.

1252
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they do it on like wm as for

1253
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: your waterfowl.

1254
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, interesting, try to limit skybusting.

1255
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's what I think so.

1256
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 6: Or not.

1257
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, there should be when the second started out, there

1258
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 7: should be some sort of music bed playing underneath it. It's

1259
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 7: like a very you know, kind of four poding intense.

1260
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 5: You could have a little button you push and it

1261
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 5: just because oh, that's harsh. Throughout the Smacked Down, whenever

1262
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 5: one of us makes a good point to go ooh

1263
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 5: that's harsh.

1264
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 4: Phil, do we got any reactions to those harsh truth

1265
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 4: or or or maybe some some of the listeners.

1266
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 7: I mean there were there was some happening throughout the thing.

1267
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 7: I I don't remember that you know their timestamps, but

1268
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 7: I couldn't tell you exactly what they were.

1269
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 5: Well, give us something what we reference to here, let's

1270
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 5: do a general chat.

1271
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 7: Mostly what's he want? Halfle finger? He said one thing,

1272
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 7: you should use your woodsmanship, not marksmanship.

1273
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: See.

1274
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 7: I don't know what he's referring to here. That's what

1275
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 7: we just talked about.

1276
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 5: Great, Jim. This this if you're still on there, This

1277
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 5: moose that I saw with the busted up leg. The

1278
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 5: leg was on the left side and the right antler

1279
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 5: had grown in all kinds of funky. I'll send you

1280
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 5: a picture you told us about that.

1281
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 7: At some point, it's mostly people asking mogor questions about

1282
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 7: Hungary and people talking about Steve on theovon shout out.

1283
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: Well, if nobody's got any anything interesting to say or ask?

1284
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 7: See, this is a this, this is a me problem.

1285
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 7: I screwed up. I should have been on it putting

1286
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 7: these comments up as it was happening.

1287
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 3: Damn it.

1288
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 7: I'm so sorry.

1289
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 5: You're having such a big week with D and D.

1290
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 5: You find some good come on. This is my favorite part.

1291
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 7: No, no, I've got listener feedback. I'm just thinking of

1292
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 7: stuff in.

1293
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: Direct to the three harsh truths.

1294
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 5: Let's get this, I knew you didn't drop the ball.

1295
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 7: Cal This is from Ethan when you kill your monster grizz,

1296
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 7: What is your plan with it? Rug mount soft tan

1297
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 7: sausage roast.

1298
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: Do you think this far ahead? Or is that bad

1299
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: bad juju?

1300
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 7: If you feel like you're is there any superstition around I?

1301
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's part of logistical planning that you do.

1302
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: You need to plan for being successful, and then if

1303
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: you're unsuccessful, you're just carrying extra stuff, right, So yeah,

1304
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: I am planning. The big negative of a coastal bear

1305
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: in the fall specifically is they are they're feeding on salmon.

1306
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: And I have friends that take a chunk of meat

1307
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: off every single bear and cook it. And and I

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Speaker 1: believe them because they have they have the largest database

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: data set that they're working with.

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Speaker 3: Can I interrupt? Yes, in Alaska, there's no salvage rule

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: for those fall bears, is there? Correct?

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: And you don't? Yeah, So my plan is to ideally

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: do some cooking up there if I am successful, and

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: come up with a game plan for what I'm going

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: to do with some big old grizzler bear meat. The

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: other thing I have tags for because I've I've purchased

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01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: them in advance are our wolves. And in this area,

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's an area where the caribou population is

1319
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: of concern and they're encouraging people to harvest wolves, and

1320
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: they feel like there's a very high population of wolves.

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: And I have always wanted to cook wolves, so I'm ideally, well,

1322
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: we'll have like a big old grizzly bear ham and

1323
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: a big old wolf ham and we'll do some fun

1324
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: cooking down here in the meat Eater studio too so

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01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: and then as far as like rug Mount soft tan

1326
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: stuff like I have not thought that far, like I

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: it will be utilized. I guarantee you.

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 7: Great. This is just an update from Kyle who asked

1329
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 7: a question about differences between spring and fall turkey, and

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01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 7: he's happy to report based on that advice, he got

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 7: his first turkey ever yesterday. Right.

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: I saw that. I saw that on the damned social media.

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01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 5: That's ruining everything.

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 6: Terrible.

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 5: Congratulations, congrats, Kyle Charles says.

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 7: Its media to Rose still happening. I haven't seen a

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 7: new episode in a while. It is Yohanny's gearing up

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 7: to film the next batch of episodes, so stay tuned.

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 5: It requires coordinating a lot of schedules.

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 7: Caleb, because you were mean to me and yelled, I

1341
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 7: will answer your ask your question. If you need vision assistance,

1342
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 7: do you prefer glasses or contacts in the field.

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 5: I can tell you what Sydney preferred, because my vision

1344
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 5: is perfect. She preferred laser eye surgery.

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 4: There you go, options see contacts here.

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01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen people have issues with both. But I

1347
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: do feel very poorly for one of my good friends

1348
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: who I won't won't name, used to call him the

1349
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: pot bellied stallion. Uh, looking at that dude with his

1350
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: glasses all fogged up when he's sucking wind trying to

1351
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: get up the hill fast.

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01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like looking through buying knows in a

1353
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 4: spot and scute with glasses is kind of a pane.

1354
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: But but do you feel like you like I feel

1355
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: like you should have like a little eyeball kit if

1356
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: you're going to go the contact route, multiple like you

1357
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: need your solution.

1358
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 5: Sydney always did context and it was like contexts in

1359
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 5: the tent. It was just like a nightmare.

1360
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 3: Well, dailies are way easier.

1361
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 4: I mean, they're a little more trash to deal with,

1362
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: but I mean I just bring twice as many dailies

1363
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 4: as I think I'm gonna need because the dust gets

1364
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: in there.

1365
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,839
Speaker 5: What you know, at one point we pulled some dailies

1366
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: out of the trash and washed them to put them

1367
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 5: back in her eyes.

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 1: Interesting, improvised and overcome the laser.

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01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 7: I will say aiden, thank you for watching the show

1370
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 7: live for the first time. I appreciate it. I have

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 7: seen your question that you have submitted literally nine times

1372
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 7: about getting a young hunter into it. I haven't picked

1373
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 7: your question because that's that's we've talked about that a lot.

1374
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 7: And also Brodie's the only dad on the panel.

1375
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 5: So but my my parents didn't hunt.

1376
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 7: Randall, And how did you get into hunting, and how

1377
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 7: would you encourage other young hunters to get into hunting.

1378
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 5: Get your friends into it, find friends who have We

1379
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 5: had like a group of friends and one of our

1380
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 5: dads hunted. Yeah, there's ways, and we all transmitted it

1381
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 5: through osmosis. There's mentorship programs with fish and game departments.

1382
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 5: Buy our book Catch Caerry Fish, Count the Stars. There's

1383
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 5: a great big.

1384
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 3: Section in there on how to do it like, there's

1385
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 3: ways to do it for sure.

1386
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you, if you're interested in it and

1387
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: you're not just actively figuring it out, you're probably not

1388
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: cut out for the hunting game. I say that that

1389
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 1: that sounds like a harsh truth, Haru. But I'll tell you, like,

1390
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I was surrounded by very casual hunters and it wasn't

1391
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 1: like anything near the way people live it in this office.

1392
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: And I bugged the hell out of the people to

1393
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: facilitate my obsession with hunting without having anybody directly there

1394
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: to be a mentor, right Like, I just there was

1395
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: something about it. I was very interested in it, and

1396
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: I pushed and pushed and pushed, and people kept throwing

1397
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: footballs and basketballs and baseballs at me, saying like here,

1398
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: play with this. You at them exactly so you'll you'll

1399
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: figure it out. Like if it if you're interested in it,

1400
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: you just got to make it happen and don't let

1401
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: stuff holds you back.

1402
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 5: Ye. Great, Sorry to do that to you, Phil.

1403
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 7: Well, Jordan says, Phil is getting little sterns into this

1404
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 7: big trivia podcast.

1405
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's shut up, that's not the reason. I'm just a

1406
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,480
Speaker 1: little prickly.

1407
01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 7: After that uh, that misunderstanding about the feed Act with

1408
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 7: the three harsh Trews and everyone got mad at me.

1409
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,440
Speaker 7: And also like I carry a small amount of insecurity

1410
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 7: about being a non hunter who has to pick hunting

1411
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 7: questions for a bunch of hunters to answer.

1412
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: It's a hard job.

1413
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 4: Back heres, there you go, There you go, Phil laying

1414
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 4: down the law.

1415
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna move on from that.

1416
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 7: Phil, Oh, let's do it please.

1417
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 4: You know next time you'll do better, Thanks Brody. So,

1418
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 4: we got a couple announcements to make before we sign off,

1419
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,759
Speaker 4: and the first one is we're opening our newest media

1420
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 4: to retail location in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And they got some

1421
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 4: events going on grand opening and some tailgate tour events.

1422
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 4: Who's going to that tailgate tour?

1423
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 5: Spencer Spencer, Mark Kenyon and Chester Floyd.

1424
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 4: And they'll be at the store, but that'll probably all

1425
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 4: get covered. And this announcement that Phil is gonna play

1426
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 4: right now.

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01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 9: All right, Milwaukee Hunters, This Friday, September nineteenth, until seven pm,

1428
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 9: we'll be having our brand opening up this brand new

1429
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,799
Speaker 9: meat Eater store right here.

1430
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 5: And Brooke Goil Wisconsin.

1431
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: It's a family friendly events and be sure to bring

1432
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 2: your kids, bring your spouse, and no matter where your

1433
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: adventures taking you this season, we got you covered. From

1434
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: Western Big game to Phelps game calls to f NHF gear,

1435
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: we got everything you need to get you going further

1436
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 2: and staying longer.

1437
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 6: We also have brand new.

1438
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 9: Milwaukee Meat Eater logo where Wow.

1439
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 2: Behind you, we got whitetail where for the season from

1440
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: cold weather to early season. We also have water polo

1441
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: clothing right behind me.

1442
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 9: The event's going to be.

1443
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: Joined by the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Group, the National

1444
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 2: Deer Association, The Meat Eater Tailgate Tour will also be

1445
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: here some of the Meat Eater personalities. With all that

1446
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 2: being said, we're happy to be a part of this community.

1447
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: So come on buy this Friday, grab a beer, tell

1448
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: us some of your hunting stories, and be prepared for

1449
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 2: lots of fun.

1450
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 5: Thanks for all your support.

1451
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, I want to go now. Yeah, I would have

1452
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: you remember Wayne's world when they're talking with Alice Cooper

1453
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: and Mealy Wake There's there should be a corner of

1454
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: the store dedicated just to that.

1455
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and cheese curds probably something that.

1456
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 7: But he got there.

1457
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm not talking with my mouth.

1458
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 4: Well, besides opening our new store, we got a whole

1459
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 4: bunch of new products and content coming out soon. Ray

1460
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 4: will show that to the camera.

1461
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: That's the new jerky we got I think three different flavors.

1462
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 5: Maybe it's delightful.

1463
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: It was great. This is bition.

1464
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 4: So if you're laying and you don't know how to

1465
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 4: make your own jerky out of deer, elk or whatever

1466
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 4: you got in the freezer, that stuff's real good.

1467
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: It's buffalo.

1468
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 4: We've also got after a long wait, see that Phil

1469
01:21:55,479 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 4: there it is, it's here. Releases next week the apped

1470
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 4: up old Truck's calendar.

1471
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna show you what's inside.

1472
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 5: You gotta buy it.

1473
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: Oh, it turned out great.

1474
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 12: Man.

1475
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 7: Uh I you know what I I learned a word

1476
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 7: miso phonia. You guys know what that is.

1477
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 3: That's when a sound really bugsy, real bad.

1478
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 7: When people are chewing into a microphone.

1479
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 3: You've got it.

1480
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 1: Masticated.

1481
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 7: I mean, I support it because we are meat eater,

1482
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 7: har hars.

1483
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 3: It's jerky, you gotta chew it.

1484
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:34,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the working hard to make the jerky a super

1485
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: cool project. So this round is sourt of saying, uh,

1486
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, American buffalo. And then we're working on a

1487
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: bunch of other uh like sustainable projects that that support

1488
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: are ranchers that are doing really good things for wildlife

1489
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: and their way living.

1490
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: That's right.

1491
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 4: And by the way, if you like, don't know this

1492
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 4: soccer here, if you buy it, it's not expensive, but

1493
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 4: if you buy it, two bucks from every the sale

1494
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 4: of every calendar we're going to donate to backcountry hunters

1495
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 4: and anglers so they can keep fighting the public lands fight.

1496
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 4: So you'd be doing a great thing for BHA and

1497
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 4: anyone who enjoys public lands if you buy that calendar advance, Yeah.

1498
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: And then real quick.

1499
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 4: As far as content, Heather Deville's new series Our Way

1500
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 4: of Life is coming out. I think, I don't know,

1501
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 4: I don't know the date, but it's coming out soon.

1502
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,560
Speaker 3: And I think it's like one of the coolest things.

1503
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,759
Speaker 4: We've done in a really long time, Like for video content,

1504
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 4: it is awesome.

1505
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 3: So check that out.

1506
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,879
Speaker 4: And Meat Eater Season thirteen is going to be available

1507
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 4: real soon as well, and Randall has a final announce

1508
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 4: smith for everyone.

1509
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 5: Yes, on next week's show, we will once again be

1510
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 5: circling up the Meat Eater Movie Club and the title

1511
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 5: we'll be discussing is the twenty ten documentary Elephant in

1512
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,879
Speaker 5: the living Room, which is available for free on Pluto

1513
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 5: and Amazon Prime. It's one of my all time favorite documentaries,

1514
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 5: and I was delighted to see that it's now available

1515
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 5: to stream for free, and so I'm excited to revisit

1516
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 5: that rich, rich text about exotic pet ownership. Excellent.

1517
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, guys, thanks for listening, and tune in

1518
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 4: next week.

1519
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: Be kind, be courteous, be safe out there. Enjoy your season.

1520
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 5: Be cool. Trus