WEBVTT - Ep. 206: Hey, Icehole! 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.680 severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening Hunt podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.440 You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.120 are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.960 the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:41.519 Nor where you stand with on X and then I 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.800 probably want to be like within a foot over bottom 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.320 and then when you feel it you just kind of 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.159 like jerk it up and then pull it in, or 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.519 you want to do like an exaggerated setting motion. The 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.520 rods always this short. Yeah, that's a normal. When Steve 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.560 as over there is the custom long day And what's 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.080 the logic about the really short rod? Because you're fishing 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.080 such close quarters? You know, long rod, you had to 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.920 be ten feetback, you know. There you go, drop it 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.000 down a little, there you go, leave it, don't move it, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.800 don't move it. Oh you scared him? Hey him? Hit him? 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:24.800 Hit him? Whilere you aiming that up at the sky, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:33.440 they lift him up gran closer to your face. First 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.559 tish through the ice, mm hmm, first time on the ice. 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.080 How about ever, have you fished before? You all set 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:47.600 up Phil for us inside everybody welcome. We are in 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:55.680 a giant. Oh get Jimmy, Yes, Jimmy, Yeah, in a 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:01.720 giant ask him o ice shanty fishing. The bite is 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.920 on and off. This thing is uh, this shanty is 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:12.440 bigger than our podcast studio. It's called the fat Fish. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.160 It's got like what else, It's like the fat fish something. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.160 I just saw the fat Fish. It's a nine person shanty. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:35.720 Nine but we're fishing one. We're fishing and that's why 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:42.239 you need to bring a little mini gas at the hole. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.680 About that like soup ladle thing you used to scoop 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.079 the ice out of the holes, the soup ladle. That 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.360 the skimmer, the skimmer. If you you must eat some 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.480 thick ass soups. If you sup with a skimmer, if 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:03.400 you scoop sup with a skimmer, the bite is on 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.320 and off. We got some We got some cameras down. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.720 We got a camera down that looks so good. It's like, uh, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:16.880 what the Markham quest HD. It's like why I feel 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.600 like we're like you could watch the super Bowl on 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:24.519 this thing, like right now we're watching uh Bluegill, give 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.800 my my little boy at the stair down here. He 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.520 calls Jimmy he's just looking at it. Yeah, better than 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:36.080 the podcast studio. Here we are nine person shanny um, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.800 we're talking a spencer explained. The main thing we're gonna do, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:44.280 like explain what the um explain. The fact Checker series 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.360 Less it was on the podcast I should call it 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:51.480 the ball Buster. That might be confused people. You get 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:56.040 a whole you get a whole different sort of go ahead. Less. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:57.800 It was on the podcast we covered some of the 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.080 recent fact checkers that I had written, like should you 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.920 drink you're in in a survival situation? The answer is no, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.800 our daddy long legs. So yeah, it was like the 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.960 whole Bear Grylls his entire careers based off of false No. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.680 Another one we talked about, um, our daddy long legs, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:22.440 go ahead, sorry, our daddy long legs the most venomy 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.240 spider in the world. Uh, the answer is no. And 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.039 there's a whole bunch of things wrong with that statement. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.680 You can go back and listen to that episode with 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.719 Danielle and I for you want to hear more about those. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.719 So so those are similar things we cover in the 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.920 fact Checker series. Can I ask the fact checker question, uh, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.120 do you do you do you like what if the fact, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.440 what if you're like, yes, in fact it's true, do 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.640 you get less interested in it? No? No, because one 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.160 of the ones, like the ones where it's wrong, I 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.880 like that. Um. I think within the series, I've only 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:58.279 had a handful that are true. One of them was 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:05.200 one that You're best buddy and amateur story and he missed, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.280 come on, but you're watching ahead. Sorry. But one of 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.159 the true ones that we recently covered, uh, was one 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.360 that Joe Rogan loves to repeat, and that's that during 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.600 World War One, they had to have a ceasefire to 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.760 like beat down the wolves that were moving in on him. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.440 And yeah, and that's like a legit story. That one 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.520 was true. In nineteen seventeen, there were a bunch of 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.320 newspapers like the Passo Harald, the New York Times, the 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.599 Oklahoma City Times. I think those are the three places 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.080 that already reported on this. This dispatch came out of 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.559 Berlin talking about how, uh, the war that was fought 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.880 in like these rural areas had displaced large packs of 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.160 wolves and heading them moving into uh, like these small 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.039 villages and stuff, and they were taking down a bunch 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.480 of goats and cattle and in two inst children. They 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:59.480 killed children. The wolves also ended up like just going 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.680 to the front lines and eating on wounded fighters, and 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.680 it was all true. Historians estimates that they killed hundreds 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.520 of wolves during this time, that they even took a 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.480 break from shooting at each other to kill wolves. They 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.040 deciding on wounded people, they decided to have a ceasefire 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.719 if this were to happen, and it did happen. Um, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.720 it's hard to focus talking to someone who's catching so 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.640 many finished a little bit, a little bit. It was 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.000 so bad that they described the wolves as a plague, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.559 and in that one that's true. It's hard to believe, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:33.000 but that one happens. So some fact checkers are in 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.599 the like European wolves are like sort of a different 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.680 kind of groove man, because like in Romania, you get like, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.640 you know, they're they're more inclined. Uh, European look at this. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.479 They're they're more inclined to Uh. It's very hard to 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.000 do this. Uh, it's very hard to host while you're well, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.520 I almost need to put down my rock another one, dude, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.719 I'm just like on fire. European wolves are more inclined 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.920 to bite folks. One of the courts from the ninet 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.560 seventeen New York Times. Articles said poison, rifle, fire, hand grenade, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.000 and even machine guns were successively tried in attempt to 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.760 eradicate the nuisance. Why in the world when you're fighting 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.560 a fish, do you know what a rod is supposed 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:22.840 to do? Yeah? You did, But I'm doing I'm doing 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:31.000 this Like, Okay, it's customary when fishing to not point 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:37.520 the rod directly at the sky you're shooting for a 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.680 sort of like you want to think of your shooting 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:46.640 sort of a ninety degree angle between the the Yeah, yep, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.880 I see what you're doing. You're you're moving it so 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:54.960 that you're rod. Is someone who's got the vocabulary to 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.600 explain what you can explain what I'm doing. So like 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:07.720 instead of moving the rod vertically up exactly, I am 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.840 like whipping my wrist back so that the rod is 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.400 like at a What is this? Do you a long 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.440 particular to the ground. I have never seen one. I've 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:27.200 never seen someone do that. I take that as a compliment. Uh, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:33.880 maybe I feel like you're enough guiding Steve, Tell give 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.400 me more. What all fact checkers should we discuss? So 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.040 you said, these European wolves like to bite a bunch 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.880 of the New York Times articles. The wolves nowhere to 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.760 be found quite so large and powerful as in Russia, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.560 were desperate in their hunger and regardless of danger. So 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.960 it agrees with you there like that that this displacement 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:57.440 and all this warfare had driven him to dire measures. Ye, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.439 and uh, then the two side it's had two dire 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.920 measures and started fighting the wolves instead of each other. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.240 So what got you interested in that? Fact checker was Rogan? Yeah, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:14.200 he repeated it, and like, I surely hope this is 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:18.880 true because that's a large audience that's hearing that. Oh, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:26.640 just let me perch in the house, just nailing him. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.400 You know, he's tearing up. You want to keep that one, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.600 but you want to keep this one. Uh. Comp things 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.640 we're gonna talking about. I got I got some like comments, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.960 um and I tried to keep them mostly uh, ICE related. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.959 You'll watch it's it's you're gonna see some elastic you 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.920 gonna see some hosting, some very flexible hosting. UM one, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.520 I just can't figure out maybe something canna help me 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.600 how to make it seem relevant to to the Ice 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.120 one is, Uh, this is what I need help on. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.120 We're talking ear today about ethanol and gas and what 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.160 it does like boat motors and whatnot. The I have 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.800 some steel chainsaws wrote in with some clarifications like why 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.960 you don't you see uh when you go to a 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.480 gas station you see like the big signs ethanol free 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.280 or low ethanol and all that. And we're talking about 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.560 what degrees that old like to do, you know, like 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.080 old engines didn't like ethanol, but modern engine supposed the tolerant. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.520 The guys with steel chainsaws were saying that um ethanol 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.079 can start breaking down and separating from fuel and as 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:29.240 little as one week. They're saying that when running machines 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.360 for extended periods of time, you can use the E 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.040 ten fuel with the right oil mixture because the ethanol 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.559 doesn't have time to break down. He's talking about like 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.719 your vehicle, like you you run through vehicle gas and 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.400 your vehicle quick enough where it's just not you know, 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.800 not lingering. But he said the number one problem with 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.360 small equipment seems to be fouling from ethanol. When it 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.920 breaks down, it can come up the carbon fuel system 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.120 and break down the rubber hoses. They say, if you're 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.480 using ethanol fuel, they recommend you run the fuel all 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.360 the way to your engine before you store it for 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.160 an extended period of time. They say that either way. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.600 For for equipment, they say that non ethanol fuels preferred, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.360 and steel actually makes prey. He goes on to say this, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:18.679 did uh. Steel makes pre mixed fuel with no ethanol 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.360 called modo mix, So they make like a pre mix 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.000 fuel and now a regular fuel with no ethanol called 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.760 modo mix, and is saying that when you buy these 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.640 cans of this stuff, it has a shelf life of 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:36.440 over ten years when unopened. Yeah. Nice, yes, think of that. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:45.559 What are you doing? Yi? Looking up how to fish? First? One? Falmouth, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.959 falmouth bass coming up? Big mouth billy, big mouth billy 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.280 coming up. It's fighting so hard that Miles's cameras rocking 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.480 back and forth. But I'm onto one. Oh, I think 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.520 you're stupid. Bass tangled. My rod feels like it. Oh, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.120 they stripped me man, Miles. That's a long fight for him, 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.240 playing it very loose. Drag get them big mouth, it's 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:20.560 not that big giant. Don't make a nice fried fish sandwich. No, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:26.320 we're not keeping that fish. It's why would we not 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.959 keep it? Please? Miles caught it his fish the side. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.200 I don't need that fish if you want people like 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:41.040 catching those, Oh jimmy, people like catching those big bass 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.840 accidently and drop it. I don't understand why we would 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.880 let it go. Because here people want to come down. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.200 There are very few limited numbers of perch and blue gills. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.080 I'll keep. I promise, I will keep all the perch 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:04.320 and blue girl for you, buddy. I'm gonna let the basket. Uh. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.240 You know, but people like to catch those things. You're 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.240 kind of in a local town pond here. You don't 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.360 want to You're in a local town pond. And yeah, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:13.719 if you keep it, if you get you a lot 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.079 of five a day, bud, Uh, here's a good one. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.040 Hold on, what do you get? It looks like you're 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.360 loading up a lot over there on your bait. You 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.480 know why, because I'm hosting, and when i'm hosting, I'm 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.320 not able to pay as much attention as i'd like, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.240 and they keep stripping me. So I'm trying to find 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.400 some way that I can keep in the game and 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.480 their mind there, my worms. Anyway that you're trying something 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.599 over there that might help me catch some fish too. No, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.240 I'm just trying to keep in the game when I 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:46.360 can be inattentive. Uh, how do you make that ice? Oh? 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:47.800 You know? I I don't know how to make it 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.680 ice applicable? You know, everything a little mess your engine 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.080 up because if you drop it through the water in 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.920 your field. No, yeah, you drop it into the ice 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.960 spencer saying that you drop Um, we're talking about who 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.559 dropped the most expensive thing down the whole. I saw 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.040 a lot of spuds go through. Not a lot, but 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.480 I've seen spuds go through. We one time dropped a 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.480 three thirty cond of bear down through a hole in 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.200 the ice trap beavers. But we were able to get 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.520 it back out with a long pole. But you lost 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.760 your range finder and put a range finder down one 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:24.320 I think like any good midwesterner, Uh, you seamlessly transition 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.400 from hunting season into fishing season, but not into skiing 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.560 season or something. You know, it goes into you go 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.000 into fishing season. So you're wearing like the same warm 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.240 bibbs that you were hunting with in December, and then 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.160 you go ice fishing in them forget your range finders 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.680 in your jacket. You lean over range finder down the hall. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.560 That did you U? Did you make any attempt at retrieval. No, 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.840 I think it was like twenty some feet of water. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.680 We're getting that one back. Uh. You know how we've 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.600 been covering this Ile Royal situation. So like Ile Royal 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.080 in my is a in my home state. It's an 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.240 island up in Lake Superior. It's kind of like at 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.880 a map, it looks like it's more like belonged to Ontario. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.160 They got kind of screwed. It seems it's our it's mission, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.040 it's America's island. Kind of looks like it should belong 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:19.240 to Ontario. Nice perch Nice perch. Ile Royal. We've talked. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.160 You should go back and listen to the whole library episode. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:22.720 So this thing is the Isle Rod is kind of 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.840 crazy where historically I'm not talking like way asks ago. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.720 I mean in in in the modern era of the 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:36.920 United States, um Ile Royal in Lake Superior was a 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.760 Lynx Caribou island, which is kind of crazy to think about. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.360 But over time of transition and stuff like comes and 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.280 goes across the ice and at some point in time 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.840 this is a little bit controversial, like how this happened. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.720 Fish on Um at some point interupted. Just for a second, 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.960 I need some bait. Can you give me one of 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.720 those eyeballs? And we a lot of these eyeballs here 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.560 in Montana. Technically it's a game. You have to use 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.840 a sucker eyeball. All right, well, don't give me an eyeball, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.760 and then I'll take one of the worms. So i'le Royal. Historically, 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:13.640 out Lake Superior, northern Michigan was had links and Caribean 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.160 it and at some point in time, and it's a 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.800 little bit like there's a little bit debate about how 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:23.680 this happened, but moose, uh probably the lake froze and 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.360 moose walked out and got on the island, and at 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.920 some point in time later, um, when the in the 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:33.160 winter when the ice is frozen, this island got colonized 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.640 by wolves, and people kind of really like fell in 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:40.920 love with this sort of moose wolf situation out there, um, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.080 and it sort of became this thing where like I 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:44.680 was like, oh, it's so great, we have moose and 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.120 wolves out of Isle Royal, and it's all great and happy. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.160 But over time you've had these kind of wild fluctuations, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.280 and right now you have a diminishing wolf pack where 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.640 the existing wolf pack that was out there got down 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.840 to like two wolves. So someone had the great idea 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.400 of to increase the naturalness of this place, they would 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.280 just truck new wolves out there, and the truck new 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.840 wolves out there, and the first thing the new wolves 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.960 do is kill the two existing wolves that lived out there. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.200 And they're still not getting the moose population under control. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.680 So this this state represented named Stephen Johnson from Michigan's 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.040 our seventies two district. He's sponsoring some legislation in the 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.800 state um that's moving out of committee and passing through 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:39.280 the State House. That would be a resolution. So it's 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.240 basically a thing that opens a conversation where a resolution 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:49.760 suggesting that the National Park Service should be using hunting 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.560 to limit the wolves on Isle Royal, and some people 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.840 got all they're they're all worked out about this, but 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.560 he points out that this would be a thing that 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.639 the National Park Service has done this, They've used hunts 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.560 to control all their wildlife populations in the past. You 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.359 kind of have this a little bit of like aquarium 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.480 situation out there. I feel where um, you know, it's 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:15.000 just it's this small, almost like experimental little place, and 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.440 I think it's a great idea because everybody's talking about 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.080 there's too many wolves. They're eating themselves out of house 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.160 and home. People be happy to go hunt them there. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.920 The wolf thing is not coming along right now. It 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.400 would be a quick solution to the problem. Some people 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.400 are freaked out there, Oh, they'll just wind up hunting 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.040 the wolves into extinction. But he points out that they 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.760 monitor these moves very closely and they can just decide 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.560 if their numbers get down, they can decide some year, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.040 let's job buddy to issue zero permits at all. So 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.680 he's offered to come on the show sometime and talk 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.320 about this. So that we got an email from a 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:55.399 waterfowl researcher, So like a duck researcher who's doing work 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.119 on ducks in breeding. There are things and one of 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.720 the things they're looking at this kind of interesting is 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.680 it looking at the implications of what's called game farm mallards. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.159 And up until a couple of years ago, I had 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:07.520 no idea there is such thing. But we were in 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.760 Chesapeake Bay. We're hunting seeking here, right, that's right, And 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.639 I was looking off this bridge just kind of like 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.800 a famous duck hunting area that we're in, and I'm 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.919 looking off this bridge and there's all these mallards that 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.960 like for being deering hunting season and in a heavily 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.679 hunted area, these mallards just kind of like sitting in 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.360 acting weird in a weird place. And I commented on it, 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.760 and a friend of mine was pointing out how those 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.359 are like game farm mallards, which people calm and they're like, man, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.280 I want to get a duck. I don't care. And 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.280 so they raise these mallards up and let them go, 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.320 and people kind of pretend to hunt them. What's the 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.080 locals term they had a term for those ducks, remember, 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.480 is they just dummy ducks? Dummy ducks that might have 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.240 been at Yeah, I'd be like, if you're like you 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.679 kind of like the sounds of hunting, but you're not 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.639 actually any good at it, or you don't have patients, 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.000 what you do is you just go and have a 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.280 guy make dug would be like hunting. Let's say you 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.240 were hunting, you wanted to go hunt grouse, but you weren't. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.760 You couldn't figure it out, so you just hunted chickens 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.080 instead of a farm yard. But in this case, they 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.880 raised ducks up and then the ducks kind of look 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.920 like a wild duck and then people pretend that they're 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.200 hunting them, in fact, they're just kind of shooting them. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.600 So this guy is looking at like what does this 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.960 mean for wild duck populations? And they have all these 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:23.560 uh ducks from museum specimens. Um, they've got museum ducks 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.440 that they were able to do genetic work on to 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.120 go back to a hundred and fifty years ago, and 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:31.800 they're looking at a couple of things. When they're looking 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.439 at like, how what what is the relationship of black 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.600 ducks and mallards? And earlier they there was this earlier 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.000 work that suggested that black ducks with as we get 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.399 as more and more mallards came into new areas, that 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.880 it was making the black duck through hybridization. The black 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.400 duck was kind of vanishing and becoming a mallard through 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.320 like inbreeding or not inbranding, hybridization with mallards. And they're 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.480 found the contrary to that that's not actually true. But 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.200 the interesting thing is is these like fake duck farms, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:08.240 the dummy duck farms, are in the Atlantic Flyway and 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.679 and looking at it, they find that these flyways are 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:17.240 actually like the Western Flyway. So they go in and 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.560 look at what were mallards like, you guys track what 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.119 I'm staying here. They're able to go, look like, what 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:27.320 were mallards like a hundred and fifty years ago? And 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.920 then what has happened since people started doing these game 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.359 farm mallards? And they found that in the western US 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.520 the mallards are the same as historical mallards. Okay, so 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.720 specimens from a hundred and fifty years ago still resemble 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:48.480 ducks in the Western US. But they've established that in 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.040 the eastern North America, So in the eastern part of 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.560 the country where you have these game farms, that mallards 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.520 are not genetically the same thing as they were one 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:03.000 and fifty years ago. In breeding with released game farm 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.600 mallards is the source of the unique genetic signature now 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:11.320 found in the high abundance across the Atlantic Flyway. And sadly, 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.359 that's me saying sadly, not him to some extent now 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:19.639 being found in the Mississippi Flyway the eastern mallards. So 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.640 mallards in the eastern US are becoming a game farm 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:30.320 wild hybrid swarm. Oh there is If you kill a 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.560 mallard in the Eastern US, there is only about a 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:38.840 ten percent chance that that duck is pure North American mallard. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.720 It's about a chance that some of bitch is part 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:50.360 fake mallard from game farm stocking practices. That a bummer. Yeah, 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:54.359 hunting should be easier. Huh So, I mean, do you 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.880 consider what we're doing right now fishing? I mean, because 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.399 they're fishing uh entered us fish. Yeah, I mean it 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.639 sounds like if we're going to say that hunting for 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:10.119 introduced ducks doesn't count as hunting, then if someone was 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.159 if we were in a little you know, when you 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.639 go to a sportsman show and they have a kiddie 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:22.040 pool filled with trout, Do I think that's fishing. I'm 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.399 gonna go ahead and guess no, and I wouldn't. That 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:30.160 was fishing. Game farm mallards are not. It's like preserved 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:38.679 pheasants and wild peasants. Okay, you're fishing wild fish. They 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.040 were introduced in this moment, we are, But there are 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.040 plenty of places where you're fishing for hatchery raised fish 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.000 that have been planted. There are tons of put in 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.920 take stock fisheries all over this country. Would call those 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:50.800 semi fake fish. You would call those semi fakes. But 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.760 here's the thing. Picture that you're in a place where 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.600 you already have something good. You have mallards, you have 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:02.600 wild mallards. You're taking something that's existing in there and 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.359 corrupting it by adding like an easier version of it. 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.399 It's not the same thing. So, I mean, we we 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.480 do have an example that from fishing, I would say 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.200 all the stocking practices that are happening on the West 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:16.080 coast with an adremus fish, with your steel head, with 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.119 your salmon, those are contributing to a population decline in 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.359 the wild fish. But people love to catch them and 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.640 they want to be able to take those fish. You've 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.840 got a whole industry built around taking fish, and as 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.760 a result of that, you've got a diminishing wild population. 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:36.000 Then condemn it. That's that's a tough thing to do. 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:40.240 When you condemn that, you're essentially when you can When 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.240 you condemn that, you're essentially shutting down any kind of 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.439