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Speaker 1: Nor where you stand with on X and then I
Speaker 1: probably want to be like within a foot over bottom
Speaker 1: and then when you feel it you just kind of
Speaker 1: like jerk it up and then pull it in, or
Speaker 1: you want to do like an exaggerated setting motion. The
Speaker 1: rods always this short. Yeah, that's a normal. When Steve
Speaker 1: as over there is the custom long day And what's
Speaker 1: the logic about the really short rod? Because you're fishing
Speaker 1: such close quarters? You know, long rod, you had to
Speaker 1: be ten feetback, you know. There you go, drop it
Speaker 1: down a little, there you go, leave it, don't move it,
Speaker 1: don't move it. Oh you scared him? Hey him? Hit him?
Speaker 1: Hit him? Whilere you aiming that up at the sky,
Speaker 1: they lift him up gran closer to your face. First
Speaker 1: tish through the ice, mm hmm, first time on the ice.
Speaker 1: How about ever, have you fished before? You all set
Speaker 1: up Phil for us inside everybody welcome. We are in
Speaker 1: a giant. Oh get Jimmy, Yes, Jimmy, Yeah, in a
Speaker 1: giant ask him o ice shanty fishing. The bite is
Speaker 1: on and off. This thing is uh, this shanty is
Speaker 1: bigger than our podcast studio. It's called the fat Fish.
Speaker 1: It's got like what else, It's like the fat fish something.
Speaker 1: I just saw the fat Fish. It's a nine person shanty.
Speaker 1: Nine but we're fishing one. We're fishing and that's why
Speaker 1: you need to bring a little mini gas at the hole.
Speaker 1: About that like soup ladle thing you used to scoop
Speaker 1: the ice out of the holes, the soup ladle. That
Speaker 1: the skimmer, the skimmer. If you you must eat some
Speaker 1: thick ass soups. If you sup with a skimmer, if
Speaker 1: you scoop sup with a skimmer, the bite is on
Speaker 1: and off. We got some We got some cameras down.
Speaker 1: We got a camera down that looks so good. It's like, uh,
Speaker 1: what the Markham quest HD. It's like why I feel
Speaker 1: like we're like you could watch the super Bowl on
Speaker 1: this thing, like right now we're watching uh Bluegill, give
Speaker 1: my my little boy at the stair down here. He
Speaker 1: calls Jimmy he's just looking at it. Yeah, better than
Speaker 1: the podcast studio. Here we are nine person shanny um,
Speaker 1: we're talking a spencer explained. The main thing we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: like explain what the um explain. The fact Checker series
Speaker 1: Less it was on the podcast I should call it
Speaker 1: the ball Buster. That might be confused people. You get
Speaker 1: a whole you get a whole different sort of go ahead. Less.
Speaker 1: It was on the podcast we covered some of the
Speaker 1: recent fact checkers that I had written, like should you
Speaker 1: drink you're in in a survival situation? The answer is no,
Speaker 1: our daddy long legs. So yeah, it was like the
Speaker 1: whole Bear Grylls his entire careers based off of false No.
Speaker 1: Another one we talked about, um, our daddy long legs,
Speaker 1: go ahead, sorry, our daddy long legs the most venomy
Speaker 1: spider in the world. Uh, the answer is no. And
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of things wrong with that statement.
Speaker 1: You can go back and listen to that episode with
Speaker 1: Danielle and I for you want to hear more about those.
Speaker 1: So so those are similar things we cover in the
Speaker 1: fact Checker series. Can I ask the fact checker question, uh,
Speaker 1: do you do you do you like what if the fact,
Speaker 1: what if you're like, yes, in fact it's true, do
Speaker 1: you get less interested in it? No? No, because one
Speaker 1: of the ones, like the ones where it's wrong, I
Speaker 1: like that. Um. I think within the series, I've only
Speaker 1: had a handful that are true. One of them was
Speaker 1: one that You're best buddy and amateur story and he missed,
Speaker 1: come on, but you're watching ahead. Sorry. But one of
Speaker 1: the true ones that we recently covered, uh, was one
Speaker 1: that Joe Rogan loves to repeat, and that's that during
Speaker 1: World War One, they had to have a ceasefire to
Speaker 1: like beat down the wolves that were moving in on him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and that's like a legit story. That one
Speaker 1: was true. In nineteen seventeen, there were a bunch of
Speaker 1: newspapers like the Passo Harald, the New York Times, the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Times. I think those are the three places
Speaker 1: that already reported on this. This dispatch came out of
Speaker 1: Berlin talking about how, uh, the war that was fought
Speaker 1: in like these rural areas had displaced large packs of
Speaker 1: wolves and heading them moving into uh, like these small
Speaker 1: villages and stuff, and they were taking down a bunch
Speaker 1: of goats and cattle and in two inst children. They
Speaker 1: killed children. The wolves also ended up like just going
Speaker 1: to the front lines and eating on wounded fighters, and
Speaker 1: it was all true. Historians estimates that they killed hundreds
Speaker 1: of wolves during this time, that they even took a
Speaker 1: break from shooting at each other to kill wolves. They
Speaker 1: deciding on wounded people, they decided to have a ceasefire
Speaker 1: if this were to happen, and it did happen. Um,
Speaker 1: it's hard to focus talking to someone who's catching so
Speaker 1: many finished a little bit, a little bit. It was
Speaker 1: so bad that they described the wolves as a plague,
Speaker 1: and in that one that's true. It's hard to believe,
Speaker 1: but that one happens. So some fact checkers are in
Speaker 1: the like European wolves are like sort of a different
Speaker 1: kind of groove man, because like in Romania, you get like,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're more inclined. Uh, European look at this.
Speaker 1: They're they're more inclined to Uh. It's very hard to
Speaker 1: do this. Uh, it's very hard to host while you're well,
Speaker 1: I almost need to put down my rock another one, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm just like on fire. European wolves are more inclined
Speaker 1: to bite folks. One of the courts from the ninet
Speaker 1: seventeen New York Times. Articles said poison, rifle, fire, hand grenade,
Speaker 1: and even machine guns were successively tried in attempt to
Speaker 1: eradicate the nuisance. Why in the world when you're fighting
Speaker 1: a fish, do you know what a rod is supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Yeah? You did, But I'm doing I'm doing
Speaker 1: this Like, Okay, it's customary when fishing to not point
Speaker 1: the rod directly at the sky you're shooting for a
Speaker 1: sort of like you want to think of your shooting
Speaker 1: sort of a ninety degree angle between the the Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. You're you're moving it so
Speaker 1: that you're rod. Is someone who's got the vocabulary to
Speaker 1: explain what you can explain what I'm doing. So like
Speaker 1: instead of moving the rod vertically up exactly, I am
Speaker 1: like whipping my wrist back so that the rod is
Speaker 1: like at a What is this? Do you a long
Speaker 1: particular to the ground. I have never seen one. I've
Speaker 1: never seen someone do that. I take that as a compliment. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe I feel like you're enough guiding Steve, Tell give
Speaker 1: me more. What all fact checkers should we discuss? So
Speaker 1: you said, these European wolves like to bite a bunch
Speaker 1: of the New York Times articles. The wolves nowhere to
Speaker 1: be found quite so large and powerful as in Russia,
Speaker 1: were desperate in their hunger and regardless of danger. So
Speaker 1: it agrees with you there like that that this displacement
Speaker 1: and all this warfare had driven him to dire measures. Ye,
Speaker 1: and uh, then the two side it's had two dire
Speaker 1: measures and started fighting the wolves instead of each other.
Speaker 1: So what got you interested in that? Fact checker was Rogan? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he repeated it, and like, I surely hope this is
Speaker 1: true because that's a large audience that's hearing that. Oh,
Speaker 1: just let me perch in the house, just nailing him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's tearing up. You want to keep that one,
Speaker 1: but you want to keep this one. Uh. Comp things
Speaker 1: we're gonna talking about. I got I got some like comments,
Speaker 1: um and I tried to keep them mostly uh, ICE related.
Speaker 1: You'll watch it's it's you're gonna see some elastic you
Speaker 1: gonna see some hosting, some very flexible hosting. UM one,
Speaker 1: I just can't figure out maybe something canna help me
Speaker 1: how to make it seem relevant to to the Ice
Speaker 1: one is, Uh, this is what I need help on.
Speaker 1: We're talking ear today about ethanol and gas and what
Speaker 1: it does like boat motors and whatnot. The I have
Speaker 1: some steel chainsaws wrote in with some clarifications like why
Speaker 1: you don't you see uh when you go to a
Speaker 1: gas station you see like the big signs ethanol free
Speaker 1: or low ethanol and all that. And we're talking about
Speaker 1: what degrees that old like to do, you know, like
Speaker 1: old engines didn't like ethanol, but modern engine supposed the tolerant.
Speaker 1: The guys with steel chainsaws were saying that um ethanol
Speaker 1: can start breaking down and separating from fuel and as
Speaker 1: little as one week. They're saying that when running machines
Speaker 1: for extended periods of time, you can use the E
Speaker 1: ten fuel with the right oil mixture because the ethanol
Speaker 1: doesn't have time to break down. He's talking about like
Speaker 1: your vehicle, like you you run through vehicle gas and
Speaker 1: your vehicle quick enough where it's just not you know,
Speaker 1: not lingering. But he said the number one problem with
Speaker 1: small equipment seems to be fouling from ethanol. When it
Speaker 1: breaks down, it can come up the carbon fuel system
Speaker 1: and break down the rubber hoses. They say, if you're
Speaker 1: using ethanol fuel, they recommend you run the fuel all
Speaker 1: the way to your engine before you store it for
Speaker 1: an extended period of time. They say that either way.
Speaker 1: For for equipment, they say that non ethanol fuels preferred,
Speaker 1: and steel actually makes prey. He goes on to say this,
Speaker 1: did uh. Steel makes pre mixed fuel with no ethanol
Speaker 1: called modo mix, So they make like a pre mix
Speaker 1: fuel and now a regular fuel with no ethanol called
Speaker 1: modo mix, and is saying that when you buy these
Speaker 1: cans of this stuff, it has a shelf life of
Speaker 1: over ten years when unopened. Yeah. Nice, yes, think of that.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yi? Looking up how to fish? First? One? Falmouth,
Speaker 1: falmouth bass coming up? Big mouth billy, big mouth billy
Speaker 1: coming up. It's fighting so hard that Miles's cameras rocking
Speaker 1: back and forth. But I'm onto one. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: you're stupid. Bass tangled. My rod feels like it. Oh,
Speaker 1: they stripped me man, Miles. That's a long fight for him,
Speaker 1: playing it very loose. Drag get them big mouth, it's
Speaker 1: not that big giant. Don't make a nice fried fish sandwich. No,
Speaker 1: we're not keeping that fish. It's why would we not
Speaker 1: keep it? Please? Miles caught it his fish the side.
Speaker 1: I don't need that fish if you want people like
Speaker 1: catching those, Oh jimmy, people like catching those big bass
Speaker 1: accidently and drop it. I don't understand why we would
Speaker 1: let it go. Because here people want to come down.
Speaker 1: There are very few limited numbers of perch and blue gills.
Speaker 1: I'll keep. I promise, I will keep all the perch
Speaker 1: and blue girl for you, buddy. I'm gonna let the basket. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, but people like to catch those things. You're
Speaker 1: kind of in a local town pond here. You don't
Speaker 1: want to You're in a local town pond. And yeah,
Speaker 1: if you keep it, if you get you a lot
Speaker 1: of five a day, bud, Uh, here's a good one.
Speaker 1: Hold on, what do you get? It looks like you're
Speaker 1: loading up a lot over there on your bait. You
Speaker 1: know why, because I'm hosting, and when i'm hosting, I'm
Speaker 1: not able to pay as much attention as i'd like,
Speaker 1: and they keep stripping me. So I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: some way that I can keep in the game and
Speaker 1: their mind there, my worms. Anyway that you're trying something
Speaker 1: over there that might help me catch some fish too. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep in the game when I
Speaker 1: can be inattentive. Uh, how do you make that ice? Oh?
Speaker 1: You know? I I don't know how to make it
Speaker 1: ice applicable? You know, everything a little mess your engine
Speaker 1: up because if you drop it through the water in
Speaker 1: your field. No, yeah, you drop it into the ice
Speaker 1: spencer saying that you drop Um, we're talking about who
Speaker 1: dropped the most expensive thing down the whole. I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of spuds go through. Not a lot, but
Speaker 1: I've seen spuds go through. We one time dropped a
Speaker 1: three thirty cond of bear down through a hole in
Speaker 1: the ice trap beavers. But we were able to get
Speaker 1: it back out with a long pole. But you lost
Speaker 1: your range finder and put a range finder down one
Speaker 1: I think like any good midwesterner, Uh, you seamlessly transition
Speaker 1: from hunting season into fishing season, but not into skiing
Speaker 1: season or something. You know, it goes into you go
Speaker 1: into fishing season. So you're wearing like the same warm
Speaker 1: bibbs that you were hunting with in December, and then
Speaker 1: you go ice fishing in them forget your range finders
Speaker 1: in your jacket. You lean over range finder down the hall.
Speaker 1: That did you U? Did you make any attempt at retrieval. No,
Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty some feet of water.
Speaker 1: We're getting that one back. Uh. You know how we've
Speaker 1: been covering this Ile Royal situation. So like Ile Royal
Speaker 1: in my is a in my home state. It's an
Speaker 1: island up in Lake Superior. It's kind of like at
Speaker 1: a map, it looks like it's more like belonged to Ontario.
Speaker 1: They got kind of screwed. It seems it's our it's mission,
Speaker 1: it's America's island. Kind of looks like it should belong
Speaker 1: to Ontario. Nice perch Nice perch. Ile Royal. We've talked.
Speaker 1: You should go back and listen to the whole library episode.
Speaker 1: So this thing is the Isle Rod is kind of
Speaker 1: crazy where historically I'm not talking like way asks ago.
Speaker 1: I mean in in in the modern era of the
Speaker 1: United States, um Ile Royal in Lake Superior was a
Speaker 1: Lynx Caribou island, which is kind of crazy to think about.
Speaker 1: But over time of transition and stuff like comes and
Speaker 1: goes across the ice and at some point in time
Speaker 1: this is a little bit controversial, like how this happened.
Speaker 1: Fish on Um at some point interupted. Just for a second,
Speaker 1: I need some bait. Can you give me one of
Speaker 1: those eyeballs? And we a lot of these eyeballs here
Speaker 1: in Montana. Technically it's a game. You have to use
Speaker 1: a sucker eyeball. All right, well, don't give me an eyeball,
Speaker 1: and then I'll take one of the worms. So i'le Royal. Historically,
Speaker 1: out Lake Superior, northern Michigan was had links and Caribean
Speaker 1: it and at some point in time, and it's a
Speaker 1: little bit like there's a little bit debate about how
Speaker 1: this happened, but moose, uh probably the lake froze and
Speaker 1: moose walked out and got on the island, and at
Speaker 1: some point in time later, um, when the in the
Speaker 1: winter when the ice is frozen, this island got colonized
Speaker 1: by wolves, and people kind of really like fell in
Speaker 1: love with this sort of moose wolf situation out there, um,
Speaker 1: and it sort of became this thing where like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's so great, we have moose and
Speaker 1: wolves out of Isle Royal, and it's all great and happy.
Speaker 1: But over time you've had these kind of wild fluctuations,
Speaker 1: and right now you have a diminishing wolf pack where
Speaker 1: the existing wolf pack that was out there got down
Speaker 1: to like two wolves. So someone had the great idea
Speaker 1: of to increase the naturalness of this place, they would
Speaker 1: just truck new wolves out there, and the truck new
Speaker 1: wolves out there, and the first thing the new wolves
Speaker 1: do is kill the two existing wolves that lived out there.
Speaker 1: And they're still not getting the moose population under control.
Speaker 1: So this this state represented named Stephen Johnson from Michigan's
Speaker 1: our seventies two district. He's sponsoring some legislation in the
Speaker 1: state um that's moving out of committee and passing through
Speaker 1: the State House. That would be a resolution. So it's
Speaker 1: basically a thing that opens a conversation where a resolution
Speaker 1: suggesting that the National Park Service should be using hunting
Speaker 1: to limit the wolves on Isle Royal, and some people
Speaker 1: got all they're they're all worked out about this, but
Speaker 1: he points out that this would be a thing that
Speaker 1: the National Park Service has done this, They've used hunts
Speaker 1: to control all their wildlife populations in the past. You
Speaker 1: kind of have this a little bit of like aquarium
Speaker 1: situation out there. I feel where um, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just it's this small, almost like experimental little place, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea because everybody's talking about
Speaker 1: there's too many wolves. They're eating themselves out of house
Speaker 1: and home. People be happy to go hunt them there.
Speaker 1: The wolf thing is not coming along right now. It
Speaker 1: would be a quick solution to the problem. Some people
Speaker 1: are freaked out there, Oh, they'll just wind up hunting
Speaker 1: the wolves into extinction. But he points out that they
Speaker 1: monitor these moves very closely and they can just decide
Speaker 1: if their numbers get down, they can decide some year,
Speaker 1: let's job buddy to issue zero permits at all. So
Speaker 1: he's offered to come on the show sometime and talk
Speaker 1: about this. So that we got an email from a
Speaker 1: waterfowl researcher, So like a duck researcher who's doing work
Speaker 1: on ducks in breeding. There are things and one of
Speaker 1: the things they're looking at this kind of interesting is
Speaker 1: it looking at the implications of what's called game farm mallards.
Speaker 1: And up until a couple of years ago, I had
Speaker 1: no idea there is such thing. But we were in
Speaker 1: Chesapeake Bay. We're hunting seeking here, right, that's right, And
Speaker 1: I was looking off this bridge just kind of like
Speaker 1: a famous duck hunting area that we're in, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking off this bridge and there's all these mallards that
Speaker 1: like for being deering hunting season and in a heavily
Speaker 1: hunted area, these mallards just kind of like sitting in
Speaker 1: acting weird in a weird place. And I commented on it,
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine was pointing out how those
Speaker 1: are like game farm mallards, which people calm and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to get a duck. I don't care. And
Speaker 1: so they raise these mallards up and let them go,
Speaker 1: and people kind of pretend to hunt them. What's the
Speaker 1: locals term they had a term for those ducks, remember,
Speaker 1: is they just dummy ducks? Dummy ducks that might have
Speaker 1: been at Yeah, I'd be like, if you're like you
Speaker 1: kind of like the sounds of hunting, but you're not
Speaker 1: actually any good at it, or you don't have patients,
Speaker 1: what you do is you just go and have a
Speaker 1: guy make dug would be like hunting. Let's say you
Speaker 1: were hunting, you wanted to go hunt grouse, but you weren't.
Speaker 1: You couldn't figure it out, so you just hunted chickens
Speaker 1: instead of a farm yard. But in this case, they
Speaker 1: raised ducks up and then the ducks kind of look
Speaker 1: like a wild duck and then people pretend that they're
Speaker 1: hunting them, in fact, they're just kind of shooting them.
Speaker 1: So this guy is looking at like what does this
Speaker 1: mean for wild duck populations? And they have all these
Speaker 1: uh ducks from museum specimens. Um, they've got museum ducks
Speaker 1: that they were able to do genetic work on to
Speaker 1: go back to a hundred and fifty years ago, and
Speaker 1: they're looking at a couple of things. When they're looking
Speaker 1: at like, how what what is the relationship of black
Speaker 1: ducks and mallards? And earlier they there was this earlier
Speaker 1: work that suggested that black ducks with as we get
Speaker 1: as more and more mallards came into new areas, that
Speaker 1: it was making the black duck through hybridization. The black
Speaker 1: duck was kind of vanishing and becoming a mallard through
Speaker 1: like inbreeding or not inbranding, hybridization with mallards. And they're
Speaker 1: found the contrary to that that's not actually true. But
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is is these like fake duck farms,
Speaker 1: the dummy duck farms, are in the Atlantic Flyway and
Speaker 1: and looking at it, they find that these flyways are
Speaker 1: actually like the Western Flyway. So they go in and
Speaker 1: look at what were mallards like, you guys track what
Speaker 1: I'm staying here. They're able to go, look like, what
Speaker 1: were mallards like a hundred and fifty years ago? And
Speaker 1: then what has happened since people started doing these game
Speaker 1: farm mallards? And they found that in the western US
Speaker 1: the mallards are the same as historical mallards. Okay, so
Speaker 1: specimens from a hundred and fifty years ago still resemble
Speaker 1: ducks in the Western US. But they've established that in
Speaker 1: the eastern North America, So in the eastern part of
Speaker 1: the country where you have these game farms, that mallards
Speaker 1: are not genetically the same thing as they were one
Speaker 1: and fifty years ago. In breeding with released game farm
Speaker 1: mallards is the source of the unique genetic signature now
Speaker 1: found in the high abundance across the Atlantic Flyway. And sadly,
Speaker 1: that's me saying sadly, not him to some extent now
Speaker 1: being found in the Mississippi Flyway the eastern mallards. So
Speaker 1: mallards in the eastern US are becoming a game farm
Speaker 1: wild hybrid swarm. Oh there is If you kill a
Speaker 1: mallard in the Eastern US, there is only about a
Speaker 1: ten percent chance that that duck is pure North American mallard.
Speaker 1: It's about a chance that some of bitch is part
Speaker 1: fake mallard from game farm stocking practices. That a bummer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hunting should be easier. Huh So, I mean, do you
Speaker 1: consider what we're doing right now fishing? I mean, because
Speaker 1: they're fishing uh entered us fish. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: sounds like if we're going to say that hunting for
Speaker 1: introduced ducks doesn't count as hunting, then if someone was
Speaker 1: if we were in a little you know, when you
Speaker 1: go to a sportsman show and they have a kiddie
Speaker 1: pool filled with trout, Do I think that's fishing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and guess no, and I wouldn't. That
Speaker 1: was fishing. Game farm mallards are not. It's like preserved
Speaker 1: pheasants and wild peasants. Okay, you're fishing wild fish. They
Speaker 1: were introduced in this moment, we are, But there are
Speaker 1: plenty of places where you're fishing for hatchery raised fish
Speaker 1: that have been planted. There are tons of put in
Speaker 1: take stock fisheries all over this country. Would call those
Speaker 1: semi fake fish. You would call those semi fakes. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Picture that you're in a place where
Speaker 1: you already have something good. You have mallards, you have
Speaker 1: wild mallards. You're taking something that's existing in there and
Speaker 1: corrupting it by adding like an easier version of it.
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. So, I mean, we we
Speaker 1: do have an example that from fishing, I would say
Speaker 1: all the stocking practices that are happening on the West
Speaker 1: coast with an adremus fish, with your steel head, with
Speaker 1: your salmon, those are contributing to a population decline in
Speaker 1: the wild fish. But people love to catch them and
Speaker 1: they want to be able to take those fish. You've
Speaker 1: got a whole industry built around taking fish, and as
Speaker 1: a result of that, you've got a diminishing wild population.
Speaker 1: Then condemn it. That's that's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 1: When you condemn that, you're essentially when you can When
Speaker 1: you condemn that, you're essentially shutting down any kind of
Speaker 1: harvest from those fisheries because the wild stocks are so
Speaker 1: down they can't sustain them. I that maybe, and I
Speaker 1: agree that there are a lot of areas with fisheries
Speaker 1: and even some areas of hunting that are confused. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel the need to be so consistent
Speaker 1: that I can't point out a version of things that
Speaker 1: I think is is kind of perverse. And I think
Speaker 1: that that having in an area that has wild mallards
Speaker 1: and wild duck hunting, to have it be that you're
Speaker 1: in and that's a native bird, right, It's a native
Speaker 1: distinct bird, and you're corrupting that in the exact same
Speaker 1: landscape where it survives. It'd be like, let's say you
Speaker 1: had Let's say you had in ok here's a great example.
Speaker 1: Here's a great example. Take Google's turkeys down in southern Arizona. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have these island mountain chains that have had these
Speaker 1: historic populations of Gould's turkeys that someone said, yeah, goolds
Speaker 1: are cool, but there's just not that many of them,
Speaker 1: and they started just dumping shiploads of pen raised Eastern
Speaker 1: turkeys into those mountains. Would you feel that that was
Speaker 1: a travesty? Absolutely, and for the you lost the Gould's turkey.
Speaker 1: For the record, I am not in favor of the
Speaker 1: practice that you're talking about, and I'm not happy about
Speaker 1: this change or the the information you just laid out.
Speaker 1: It was more of like a semantic conversation about that
Speaker 1: doesn't count as hunting when I just sort of thought,
Speaker 1: like I'm sitting here catching completely non native fish out
Speaker 1: of stock pond, thinking does this counts fishing? Right? So
Speaker 1: I think there are these very fine lines that you
Speaker 1: have to look at. You can talk about how introducing
Speaker 1: certain species to be able to hunter fish them has
Speaker 1: negative impact on the native species, and that's problematic, right,
Speaker 1: And that's one argument. But then to say that introduced
Speaker 1: species don't count as as hunting, like that gets to
Speaker 1: be problematic. I think for people, I think that gets
Speaker 1: to be an issue that can be sensitive and can
Speaker 1: can rub people the wrong way. So I'll change all
Speaker 1: my words around. I'll say the same thing but use
Speaker 1: different words. Okay, Um, in this case, I think that
Speaker 1: that is is uh trying to say different words aren't
Speaker 1: swear words. But what will that it rest? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I'm sticking by my analogy. Okay, let's say this. Let's
Speaker 1: do this one. You're here in the Rocky Mountain West.
Speaker 1: Let's say you had some pristine high mountain lake. They
Speaker 1: had some beautiful native cut throat that had been there
Speaker 1: for thousands of years doing its own thing, and they're
Speaker 1: rare and they're hard to catch what they're there. And
Speaker 1: then some days some guys like, you know what to
Speaker 1: make this lake really great fishing is, let's dump a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of a different kind of cutthroat in there,
Speaker 1: because they get bigger and they're easier to catch. And
Speaker 1: then a hundred and fifty years later, someone looks and says,
Speaker 1: you know what, that unusual like endemic uh trout that
Speaker 1: was found nowhere else doesn't exist anymore because some guy
Speaker 1: thought it was too hard to catch. Absolutely, and I
Speaker 1: mean that happens. This is not we're talking about hypotheticals,
Speaker 1: but a lot of the fish species of trout's beaches
Speaker 1: around here we're put in because they get bigger and
Speaker 1: they're easier to catch, or maybe not easy to catch,
Speaker 1: but more fun to catch than the natives. What they do,
Speaker 1: they have competed them. On the same page. One last
Speaker 1: little bit of listener feedback. We're talking about the gnome
Speaker 1: unicorn I'm sorry, the gnome catching a mermaid shirt, the
Speaker 1: controversial gnome catching a mermaid shirt, and the guys wondering, uh,
Speaker 1: our mermaids oviparous or viviparous? Do you know what that means. No.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask you what both of those
Speaker 1: words mean. You don't know oviparous and viviparous. This guy
Speaker 1: that asked this question his his signature line, you know
Speaker 1: how he'll have a signature line. It just tells you,
Speaker 1: like what you do for life or whatever. His signature
Speaker 1: line is a college student. Does that mean do they
Speaker 1: breathe underwater? Reproduction? So, viviparous are those, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: creatures who produce living young instead of eggs from within
Speaker 1: the body, in the manner of nearly all mammals, many
Speaker 1: reptiles and a few fishes. Oviparous are animals that lay
Speaker 1: eggs with little or no other embryonic development within the mother.
Speaker 1: So like a perch, for instance, here would be an
Speaker 1: oviparous creature. Yeah, got it. But the viparous, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's something you ever see some sharks to have like
Speaker 1: an egg sac did they have with like a very
Speaker 1: developed It'll leave me like on them very developed little
Speaker 1: shark inside it. But he's worried about mermaids. That's a
Speaker 1: great question, because I don't know what uh, I don't
Speaker 1: really even understand the orifice scenario on a mermaid, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what orifices are on a mermaid and
Speaker 1: what they do and how many they are? Do they
Speaker 1: even eat? They gotta eat? They live in a fantasy world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they subsist off of dreams. Yeah, what what do
Speaker 1: you think? Do you think they like that there's no
Speaker 1: sex for mermaids? Okay, yeah, I like to think that that.
Speaker 1: I like to think that they have that as part
Speaker 1: of their lives. Uh, that's ever listener feedback now special,
Speaker 1: let's dive into because I want I want to dive
Speaker 1: back into the fact checker situation because we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about fact Checker is a series? Are you the
Speaker 1: only person that writes fact checkers? Brodie Henderson has written
Speaker 1: a few. Fact Checker is a series where you take
Speaker 1: things that everyone knows to be true because they were
Speaker 1: told that it's true by their grandfather who learned it
Speaker 1: from their grandfather and passed LNG from generation, and you
Speaker 1: just know that it's true. Outdoorsmen specifically, Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: outdoors fact Outdoors things that we all know are like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course everyone knows that that's a buck ship. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's not a dough ship. Yep. Or that's a buck track,
Speaker 1: that's not a dough track, or that little spike corn
Speaker 1: will never become a big, huge, giant buck because he's
Speaker 1: a spike corn and everyone knows that a spike is
Speaker 1: never gonna be a big buck. Or hey, that's a
Speaker 1: six point he must be too. All things that are
Speaker 1: like just widely accepted among sportsman full moon, that's not
Speaker 1: good for hunting, yep. The most recent one that we
Speaker 1: covered was about Spencer. I was so distracted that a
Speaker 1: fish almost took my rod, but it didn't. But it didn't.
Speaker 1: I caught it just in time. Go on. The most
Speaker 1: recent one was do you lose half of your body
Speaker 1: heat through your head? Of course do all? I think
Speaker 1: all anyone knows. The parents have repeated that to their children. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when I tell my kids, I'm like, put you,
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm cold. I like, put your head up,
Speaker 1: but my head's not cold. I'll tell me about all
Speaker 1: your body He goes out your head perfect, So like
Speaker 1: my my i'm cold. Put your mittens on, my hands
Speaker 1: aren't cold, or my hands are cold of it. Put
Speaker 1: your gloves on, but my hands are cold. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: my hands are cold. Like put your jacket on, but
Speaker 1: it's my hands that are cold. They think that each
Speaker 1: thing has its own little life. Yeah. So uh for
Speaker 1: these fact checkers, I always try to track down the
Speaker 1: origin of where these things might have started. It's often
Speaker 1: not very easy. But this one was very specific about
Speaker 1: you losing half of your body heat through your head.
Speaker 1: And it the earliest the earliest mentioned this is from
Speaker 1: a the U. S. Army Field Manual in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: which said, isn't that full of a lot of like
Speaker 1: weird bogus and stuff? How could that be true? Uh?
Speaker 1: Because it was the nineteen fifties, I suppose, Oh do
Speaker 1: you think it's a lot of ideas that have just
Speaker 1: fallen from favor? Yeah? Yeah, So so this was from
Speaker 1: the nine fifties. It said you lose your body heat
Speaker 1: through your head. This idea has been revisited since with
Speaker 1: better science, more specific science. I I don't you've been
Speaker 1: know what they were basing this off of. It was
Speaker 1: something about, um, some Arctic studies that they had done
Speaker 1: where they had people bundle way up believe their head
Speaker 1: not bundled, and then they tracked how cold they were getting. Um.
Speaker 1: But but it wasn't very accurate. More modern studies have
Speaker 1: shown that this is not true. You actually lose seven
Speaker 1: to ten percent of your body snificantly through your head. Now, no,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's actually pretty simple. It's it's just like
Speaker 1: the amount of skin showing the proportion of that to
Speaker 1: the body heat that you lose. So like your head
Speaker 1: is like seven the skin on your body, so then
Speaker 1: that is the amount of heat that you'll lose. And
Speaker 1: so it's like simple. If you were wearing shorts in
Speaker 1: the winter, uh, then heat is escaping through your legs.
Speaker 1: If you're not wearing hat in the winter, then heat
Speaker 1: is escaping through your head. What if you have like
Speaker 1: a lot of hair and you take a shower and
Speaker 1: your hair is wet. You go out and it like
Speaker 1: is cold enough for your wet hair turns to icicles,
Speaker 1: which sometimes will happen with me. Is that is like
Speaker 1: the head some kind of conduit though, for that's a
Speaker 1: good question temperatures or something, just because there's maybe the
Speaker 1: modern studies didn't look at women showering and walking outside.
Speaker 1: I don't know an answer to simply put, the amount
Speaker 1: of heat you lose is proportion to the amount of
Speaker 1: skin showing Okay, interesting, all right, hype was another one
Speaker 1: was another thing that I know was true. Another one
Speaker 1: so big box stores if they find out, hold on,
Speaker 1: he said, you're telling me that. Okay. I I had
Speaker 1: a hard time with the transition there. Okay, go on,
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to fix my boards fishing. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So another one that all out door has been have
Speaker 1: heard at some point is that if somebody kills a
Speaker 1: big giant buck, oh yeah, that then their phone is
Speaker 1: blowing up with phone calls from outdoor stores like Sportsman's Warehouse,
Speaker 1: Cabella's Best Pro, Gander Mountain, all clamoring to buy the
Speaker 1: antlers from whatever you just killed. Which I know you've
Speaker 1: heard this before. Met someone. Yeah, I know a guy
Speaker 1: that sold That'll type. When you're done, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: the story because it might be the exception to the rule.
Speaker 1: We're going. Yeah, so you shoot a big buck and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get rich because he sell
Speaker 1: it to a big box story. And but you hear
Speaker 1: about this every year. I've heard about my whole life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The earliest one that they would when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: one of my buddies in his house, his dad had
Speaker 1: this enormous white tail rack above their fireplace. It was
Speaker 1: a perfect four by four and it's the biggest four
Speaker 1: by four I've ever seen in my life. And I
Speaker 1: had been told that Cabelli's had called him every year,
Speaker 1: offering them like more and more money and persistent yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had just turned them down like, nope, it's
Speaker 1: a family heirloom. Our grandpa found them on the farm land. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're not interested in giving them up. Would not let
Speaker 1: it rest, not let it rest. That was like the
Speaker 1: earliest example I can think of this. But every one
Speaker 1: amount of mind did it get to. Uh, So let's
Speaker 1: come back to that at the end about like what
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of money were they getting offered?
Speaker 1: I don't know. This was a middle school memory that
Speaker 1: I since revisited when I called his dad see if
Speaker 1: that was a reality or not. But I put out
Speaker 1: a calling to other people have killed big giant bucks,
Speaker 1: big giant elk um to see what their experience has been.
Speaker 1: And one of the guys that got back to me
Speaker 1: was Joshua Bruce. He killed the second biggest white tail
Speaker 1: in Mississippi state history. Um. And it was shortly after
Speaker 1: he killed this dear he got Jeff Foxworthy. Well that
Speaker 1: was Georgia. Sorry, recently killed like an arch or some
Speaker 1: kind of biggest archery buck for the year. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. So Joshua Bruce, he killed the second biggest
Speaker 1: buck in Mississippi's state history. Shortly after he killed it,
Speaker 1: he got an offer from a local sporting good store
Speaker 1: owner for thirty to thirty five dollars for real for day.
Speaker 1: I want to know, is it for the originals or
Speaker 1: does it does kill for the original So Joshua was
Speaker 1: mulling over this offer, and he had taken his time.
Speaker 1: He had taken about a week to decide if he
Speaker 1: was going to accept this offer. And before he was
Speaker 1: going to get back to this sporting good store owner,
Speaker 1: this local chain in the South, Bass Parole approached him
Speaker 1: with quote unquote, a better offer now in the contract,
Speaker 1: but they're wanting to buy it, buy it. It's like
Speaker 1: so in the contract that uh Joshua signed with Bass
Speaker 1: Pro when he end up selling these, it was agreed
Speaker 1: upon that he couldn't disclose um what the exchange exactly was.
Speaker 1: So Joshua was trying to protect the market. Yeah, Joshua
Speaker 1: couldn't tell me what Bass probe paid, but he said
Speaker 1: it was a better offer. With that better offer came
Speaker 1: a large exchange of money. UM. They then gave him
Speaker 1: some replicas as well, and they are now displaying that
Speaker 1: buck in their museum in Springfield, Missouri. So he did
Speaker 1: the sale. He did the sale. This is an interesting
Speaker 1: thing too, because you can't sell game meeting, you can
Speaker 1: sell part so that's it's a great example of this. UM.
Speaker 1: Joshua killed his deer on I believe it's Miles Island
Speaker 1: or Giles Island. It's this world famous duck in deer
Speaker 1: hunting Island UM that is positioned between Mississippi and Louisiana.
Speaker 1: You can hunt there with a tag for either one.
Speaker 1: He had a Louisiana tag that he killed this deer with,
Speaker 1: and when it came time to sell it, to hit
Speaker 1: a snag because in Louisiana you are allowed to sell
Speaker 1: antlers because they're considered, like uh, a piece of art,
Speaker 1: but in Mississippi is considered part of the game animals,
Speaker 1: so you can't. So you couldn't do it. So he
Speaker 1: had to actually end up getting like a written letter
Speaker 1: from local game wardens and the d A allowing him
Speaker 1: to sell this yeah, and it was some amount of
Speaker 1: money more than thirty five grands, so he couldn't I
Speaker 1: asked him that specifically. He couldn't say, yesterdor now because
Speaker 1: he signed a deal never to the school, right. But
Speaker 1: he said it was a better offer to him. So
Speaker 1: it could have had something to do with the replicas
Speaker 1: that he was offered. Um, it was also very valuable
Speaker 1: to him to have it in that King of Bucks
Speaker 1: display at the museum. So I don't know the exact
Speaker 1: amount of money. Huh. Luke Brewster he recently killed. So
Speaker 1: so this is one of those fact checkers. It's true, Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: but I think it's rarer than people put it. Okay,
Speaker 1: every time, every time a version of how this went. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going on. Luke Brewster recently killed the world He
Speaker 1: recently killed the world record white tail. That's what he's
Speaker 1: famous for. Yes, so he's not someone I should know
Speaker 1: prior to that. Nope, he killed this world record white
Speaker 1: tail in illinoisen. Uh. He was offered a blake check
Speaker 1: basically for his deer, and he said so he could
Speaker 1: have put down um three billion dollars. Uh, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. But that little perch there yeah, i'd
Speaker 1: like it to. I didn't want to interrupt earlier, but
Speaker 1: now I will. This is my second purchase of the day.
Speaker 1: I got a slow start. I was picking up for me.
Speaker 1: He made it very well known that he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to shop his dear, and so he just hasn't got
Speaker 1: any offers since he's hanging onto it. Yes, he's not
Speaker 1: interested in giving somebody the real thing, even if it
Speaker 1: meant he could have a replica of his own. He's
Speaker 1: a fool. The replica party of this is interesting. Part
Speaker 1: of the deals will make you a replica of your deer.
Speaker 1: I really interested somebody else who didn't want to be
Speaker 1: in the article. Um they didn't want their name used.
Speaker 1: Um like they let me interview him. Who was it
Speaker 1: they don't want? They gave me all these details. I
Speaker 1: don't like being with you any when he's fishing because uh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't catch that many. But then he, uh, he
Speaker 1: doesn't pay any attention to anything anybody's talking about. We're going.
Speaker 1: So I I promised him I wouldn't write about it,
Speaker 1: but I'll give a few details. Yeah, but I want
Speaker 1: just like a legit journalist. Sometimes I don't even want
Speaker 1: to say what kind of animal he killed because it
Speaker 1: might be too easy to figure out was in recent years.
Speaker 1: This guy killed one of the biggest of this critter
Speaker 1: in the world. Color is it? He? Then he then
Speaker 1: got offered a hundred thousand dollars really and he turned
Speaker 1: it down. He was not interested. He recently shot the
Speaker 1: biggest something Johnnie, but I don't follow that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And he he didn't want me to discuss this in
Speaker 1: the article because he didn't. He said he there's crime
Speaker 1: in the area he lives, and he didn't want it
Speaker 1: to be out there that he had something in his homes.
Speaker 1: Um do I mean break it in thief it? Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: So that's that's why he didn't care to, uh have
Speaker 1: that written about or have any specifics. He didn't want
Speaker 1: but a hundred thousand dollars is what he was offered.
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to do it. I wouldn't do it, and
Speaker 1: uh it just doesn't even want to know. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like, that's cool. I respect it, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard for me to picture. Oh yeah, when I
Speaker 1: was writing, the guys just take a bunch of pictures,
Speaker 1: get the refelical maiden, and take the hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and go hunt. My My wife testing me, she asked me,
Speaker 1: She's like, what would it cost for someone to buy
Speaker 1: like your biggest deer amount? And I was like, three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks pay for the shoulder mount, and so I'd
Speaker 1: be fine with that. Man, I got in the first place.
Speaker 1: You got student a little still, Oh well yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: why yeah, why did you have the shoulder mount done
Speaker 1: the first place? If you'd sell it? Like like having it? Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not three d five hundred, how about that.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, it's not It's not so important to
Speaker 1: me that I can't possibly not have it. I have
Speaker 1: the memory, I have the pictures. Um like those things.
Speaker 1: Way more people will ever see the pictures of the
Speaker 1: deer than they will be exact antlers. I wanna that's
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. I want to go back
Speaker 1: to let's say, Spencer, if you're killed the state record
Speaker 1: white till for for no South Dakota, would you sell it?
Speaker 1: I could give you an example. I killed the state
Speaker 1: record real grand turkey with my bow in South Dakota.
Speaker 1: Come on, really, yeah, well no, I believe you, but
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that I don't believe that it's
Speaker 1: I don't believe in uh turkey storing of turkeys. It
Speaker 1: had three beards. It had three beards, weighed like twenty
Speaker 1: three pounds. I have all this documented. This is not
Speaker 1: going to be a good counter argument because no one
Speaker 1: really care state record. Just people. We have to help people.
Speaker 1: There's a thing, there's a there's a form of mental
Speaker 1: masturbation called turkey measuring. And in turkey measuring, it's the
Speaker 1: turkey's weight, it's some function, it's some like like some
Speaker 1: expression of the turkey's weight, the length of his burd
Speaker 1: and in the length of his beard. But if the
Speaker 1: turkey gets multiple beards, you measure them all so that
Speaker 1: some people have turkey beers. In the twenties, yes, my
Speaker 1: for example, had a triple beard, had eleven nine and seven,
Speaker 1: so seven inches of beard, which is like the that's
Speaker 1: the big multiplier. Okay, so okay, let's continue this. So
Speaker 1: you have a world right state record. I think it's
Speaker 1: like number state record archery turkey. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's like thirteen in the world. And what equipment
Speaker 1: and what kind of what kind of offers have you
Speaker 1: been fielding? I have tried to give it away. I've called,
Speaker 1: uh the Smithsonian Natural History Museum. They're not interested in it.
Speaker 1: I've tried giving it to bass Pro and Cabelli's, they're
Speaker 1: not interested in it. I don't have it mounted though,
Speaker 1: like I have. All the fan, the beards, the spurs,
Speaker 1: all that stuff is preserved, so they would have to
Speaker 1: do what you need to get it out and then
Speaker 1: they would just mount it and pay the five hundred
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever it is to to mount but turkey. Um,
Speaker 1: but nobody's interested in And that was also part of
Speaker 1: his fact checkers that one guy, um who do you
Speaker 1: want me to give his name? As a former trophy
Speaker 1: curator for Fast Pro Slash Cabellas, he said that these
Speaker 1: places are sitting on such a big inventory amounts that
Speaker 1: a lot of them will just never see like a
Speaker 1: show room floor, because it's they're not like clamoring to have, uh,
Speaker 1: just like average critters anymore. And so to them, a
Speaker 1: rio grand turkey with three beards is just like don't
Speaker 1: don't eat it. Mm hmm. Yanni will now tell you
Speaker 1: the story that we know Yanni tied into his third
Speaker 1: fish of the day. Yanni will not tell you the
Speaker 1: story we know, and I'll have my thumb up or
Speaker 1: down depending on how good of a job I think
Speaker 1: he's doing at remembering the details. So my thumb is
Speaker 1: level right now, I think you should just tell it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the details all that. Are you talking
Speaker 1: about bucks story? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I can give
Speaker 1: you a very very here let me hear what you got.
Speaker 1: Let me hear you got very very bridge version of it.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the circumstances under which he was hunting? Uh? No,
Speaker 1: I remember? You mean that he was guiding somebody. Wasn't
Speaker 1: He wasn't, but I thought that he was guiding somebody.
Speaker 1: And then they didn't kill the bull, right, that's correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as a giant, he was like, dude, you should
Speaker 1: really kill him. And the guys didn't like something about
Speaker 1: the bulls anglers didn't have enough raw times or wasn't
Speaker 1: wide enough for something to Bucks like, you're an idiot. Later,
Speaker 1: Bucks out hunting by himself, and he's like, you know, no,
Speaker 1: he just out hunt by himself and happened to come across.
Speaker 1: You remember better than I got the part about the
Speaker 1: client come across the same bowl and Buck wasn't looking
Speaker 1: for that bowl but happened to come across that same
Speaker 1: bowl and shot it and then I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how it all went down, but somehow he ended
Speaker 1: up getting a large it's some crazy a giant I
Speaker 1: don't want to throw number A giant moose. He would
Speaker 1: bring it because he would go down to the Harris
Speaker 1: Harrisburg Sportsman show. Yeah, yeah, he'sad there next week. So
Speaker 1: he would go to the Harrisburg show and he would
Speaker 1: took to book clients and he'd bring this big gass
Speaker 1: moose skull down there to be like, hey, look at
Speaker 1: the giant moose that come off my place, right, you
Speaker 1: can picture this. He'd used it as like an advertisement. Well,
Speaker 1: the way he tells it, one of the Cabella's brothers,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you like Dick Cabella's or whoever sees it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, do I like that moose? So
Speaker 1: sends one of his fellers over there to negotiate, and
Speaker 1: then Buck sold it for like a pretty good chunk
Speaker 1: of money tens of thousands. I don't remember how many tens,
Speaker 1: two tens, whatever was. He's probably because he didn't ask.
Speaker 1: He was not got a good chunk of change for
Speaker 1: this thing. And he knows where it's on display now,
Speaker 1: and if he wanted badly enough, he could have a
Speaker 1: replica made of it and still come out ahead. Do
Speaker 1: you know where? Uh? Where did you? Why did you
Speaker 1: do that one? Like? Where did that one come up from?
Speaker 1: Just your own mind? Yeah? Because that that's just like
Speaker 1: such a common thing you here at the bar or
Speaker 1: the guys drinking coffee, uh, every weekday morning at dat am,
Speaker 1: talk about whatever. And like I said, back to that
Speaker 1: middle school example of my buddy's antlers on the wall,
Speaker 1: Like called his dad when I was working on this,
Speaker 1: because I thought that would be the best way to
Speaker 1: track down if this is reality or not. And he said,
Speaker 1: uh no, he had never gotten offered any amount of
Speaker 1: money for those antlers. That was just like a schoolyard rumor.
Speaker 1: The only offer that he ever got was from a
Speaker 1: guy in town offered him a brand new washing machine
Speaker 1: the antlers. Huh, he said, no, turn that down three
Speaker 1: or four grand? I don't know. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: the washing machine cost? Dishwasher, clothes washer like clothes washer,
Speaker 1: you know, a brand model? I don't know. The guy, Uh,
Speaker 1: the guy owned a furniture store. Oh and the guy
Speaker 1: with the antlers told me, He's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I just think if if our wives knew about that,
Speaker 1: we'd both get divorced because his wife would be upset
Speaker 1: that he was offering a washing machine for antlers, and
Speaker 1: my wife would be upset that I turned him down
Speaker 1: not taking a new washing machine for antlers. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. So they had to keep a secret, yes,
Speaker 1: but it was not. It wasn't like I remembered it
Speaker 1: from middle school where Cabella's was blowing up their phone
Speaker 1: every year, being like at some point he's got a
Speaker 1: crack yep, yep. But so it absolutely happens, but it's
Speaker 1: not like as prevalent as you think, where every year
Speaker 1: so and so in your county kills a big something
Speaker 1: and then Cabelli's is just showing up as fistful as
Speaker 1: of cash. Your best bro, Okay, hit me with the
Speaker 1: next one. No, I still want to know if Spencer,
Speaker 1: if you killed the record South Dakota Record, salth Dakota Record,
Speaker 1: you'd sell it or keep it. I'd sell it. You
Speaker 1: get how much that's it? Yeah, I'd sell for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're just material things. Soul's money, but money can
Speaker 1: be turned into experiences. There you go philanthropy. I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever you know, but it's just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: but there still has to be a point at which
Speaker 1: you would or wouldn't do it. I I don't want to
Speaker 1: be labor the point, but for something like like I
Speaker 1: have a nice mulder. I have a muled here that
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have. If someone said they were
Speaker 1: going to give me a couple of thousand dollars for it,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take it. You wouldn't a couple of thousand dollars?
Speaker 1: What about like, yeah, yeah, gets up there. Okay, they
Speaker 1: have to do me the replica? Okay. We used to
Speaker 1: play a much worse version of this, and that it
Speaker 1: was basically at what dollar figure would you do? Various
Speaker 1: things Mine involved Larry King. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into details. I came in surprised. I came in surprisingly low,
Speaker 1: and people were shocked at how low I came in
Speaker 1: at to do a certain activity. Larry King, Um, okay,
Speaker 1: hit me another one, Spencer, Uh, this is another one
Speaker 1: that when I talked to her editorial team, we had
Speaker 1: people from California to South Dakota, Pennsylvania. Everyone had heard this,
Speaker 1: and it was just like an accepted deal. And it's
Speaker 1: that baby rattlesnakes are more dangerous because they can't or
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, all right, because they have little
Speaker 1: baby venom and it's more potent, and they haven't yet
Speaker 1: developed the mechanism by which you stop the flow of venom,
Speaker 1: so that when this baby rattler gets ahold of you,
Speaker 1: he just, in this spasm of lust, let's all of
Speaker 1: his venom into you, and you die. They just can't control.
Speaker 1: And then on the contrary that that assumes that a
Speaker 1: a large or an adult rattlesnake would control that and
Speaker 1: wouldn't throw much because he's more mature and right, and
Speaker 1: they need something they need like, they need something in
Speaker 1: the reserve for later, because if a rattlesnake doesn't have
Speaker 1: venom's like it's just part of the potential explanation the reality.
Speaker 1: That's all. It's all false. It's all false. I knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't true, but I'd still tell people. I still
Speaker 1: have told people that throughout my life, and I've definitely
Speaker 1: heard it. So young rattlesnakes and old rattlesnakes alike can
Speaker 1: control the amount of venom that they throw, and the
Speaker 1: probability of you getting a rye bite, which is a
Speaker 1: bite without venom, it's just as likely whether it's a
Speaker 1: one ft rattler or a five ft rattler. Oh really, So,
Speaker 1: like if you're out and you god forbid, have a
Speaker 1: snake bite you, it's very possible that there's no venom
Speaker 1: in that, and there's yeah, they can they can choose
Speaker 1: to nott throw any venom at all. Really like he
Speaker 1: makes the choice. Yeah, I thought it was. I thought
Speaker 1: when it was a dry bite, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: it was a conscious decision of the snake. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like just the whatever, you know, like the
Speaker 1: circumstances or he was low on venom or so he
Speaker 1: can just be like I'm gonna get you, but no venom.
Speaker 1: So age is an indicator of or excuse me, age
Speaker 1: is not an indicator of whether or not they'll give
Speaker 1: you a dry bite. And if I remember this correctly,
Speaker 1: they're more likely to throw dry bytes on when they're
Speaker 1: like feeling defensive, like get the hell out of my
Speaker 1: face sort of thing, more likely to throw a dry bite, yes,
Speaker 1: Whereas like if they want to kill something that they're
Speaker 1: going to eat like a snake, yeah, or excuse me,
Speaker 1: like a rabbit or whatever. Then they'll use their venom
Speaker 1: to kill it and it helps with the digestion. I believe,
Speaker 1: um the venom does. So if they're like defensive, more
Speaker 1: likely to be dry. If they're view something is prey,
Speaker 1: then it's more likely to have the venom. I wonder
Speaker 1: how many double Oh, I wonder how many people get
Speaker 1: bitten by a rattlesnake and don't need the anti venom
Speaker 1: for it because because there's no venom in there. Oh,
Speaker 1: like you like you see a rattlesnake bite you, and
Speaker 1: you're like, holy sh it, I got bit by a rattler.
Speaker 1: There is some truth in that smaller steaks smaller snakes
Speaker 1: can have more potent venom um, But venom has over
Speaker 1: a hundred active compounds and it very space on a
Speaker 1: number of things like age, diet, location, how long ago
Speaker 1: with eight and stuff like that. Um, So, a baby
Speaker 1: rattlesnake could potentially have more potent venom um, but adult
Speaker 1: snakes store twenty to fifty times more venom. So like
Speaker 1: a simple way to to put a bowl on this
Speaker 1: is that the bigger the snake, the bigger the consequences.
Speaker 1: Even if a baby rattlesnake has more potent venom, it
Speaker 1: does not outweigh the fact that a large rattlesnake can
Speaker 1: throw so so much more venom at you. The load
Speaker 1: size is so different. Yep, hit me another one. How
Speaker 1: many of you got right now? I got a few more?
Speaker 1: Few more, Jimmy, get him, buddy. So another one is
Speaker 1: that you can identify a buck versus a deal by
Speaker 1: the scat. Yes, this is one. This is one you've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard that you can identify versus a doll with
Speaker 1: the scat. But more than that, I've heard that, and
Speaker 1: there is something to this that you can tell, uh
Speaker 1: that there's a difference. You'll be all help me with
Speaker 1: this winter scat summer scat. There's a difference, but it's
Speaker 1: not actually that. It's just like whether they're eating brows
Speaker 1: or green feet. Roll that into the whole thing we'll
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, he's this one you've heard too, do you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so. I've heard it said sometimes between bowls
Speaker 1: and cows, different one comes out like a big goab
Speaker 1: and the other one comes out, uh, you know, in
Speaker 1: pellets that they've been eating. Yeah, So that's that's the
Speaker 1: widely believed thing is that, Um, a pile of sketch
Speaker 1: that's in pellet form would be from a doll, whereas
Speaker 1: a big pile of like lumpy scat would be from
Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah. And I heard this from like one
Speaker 1: of the smartest deer hunters I know, And he heard
Speaker 1: it from his grandpa. Um, so that like he's been
Speaker 1: walking around his whole life being like there's a buck scat. Yes,
Speaker 1: he is as good of a white tail killer as
Speaker 1: I know. Do you Okay, go on, because I want
Speaker 1: to ask you if you believe in this in turkeys? Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll go on. Okay. Um, So like that that was
Speaker 1: ther can you tell let's just start, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: clean it up. So we're making a mess out of this.
Speaker 1: Can you tell a bus ship from a doze ship? No?
Speaker 1: The reality is that when you have the pellet piles,
Speaker 1: that is an indication of what they've been eating. So
Speaker 1: when you have the pellet piles, that means they were
Speaker 1: eating firmer foods, drier foods like leaves, twigs, rains. Um.
Speaker 1: The lumpy piles of scat means that they're eating softer,
Speaker 1: more moist foods like grasses, fruits, clover LFLFA. Where you're
Speaker 1: on a fresh hay field, you're likely to find clumped up,
Speaker 1: clumpy poops. It has nothing to do with the sex
Speaker 1: of a deer. It's not that bucks and dolls have
Speaker 1: different digestive tracks, so they're they're throwing out different scat.
Speaker 1: And I'm also like, I want to be cautious when
Speaker 1: I'm writing these that I'm not creating a scarecrow man
Speaker 1: for some of these, meaning that I'm not like taking
Speaker 1: something that isn't really widely believed and just like throwing
Speaker 1: this out there so I can then and pretending that
Speaker 1: it is believed. But this, this is one, This is
Speaker 1: one that I was fearful of that it was like
Speaker 1: making a scarecrow man. But like you feel like it's
Speaker 1: not disgusted enough. I thought, maybe this one isn't actually
Speaker 1: that widely believed, and it's just you're on a giant
Speaker 1: bass right now. I don't know what. I'm just pulling
Speaker 1: something up, but it's an old boot. Yeah, what do
Speaker 1: we on the Oh no, just chunk weeds? Okay, tell
Speaker 1: me about turkeys now? Well, it was so hold on,
Speaker 1: so I wanted like, I was worried that this might
Speaker 1: have been a case of that, that I was creating
Speaker 1: a scarecrow man to like tear down with this. But man,
Speaker 1: did people come out in the Facebook comments, Like we
Speaker 1: had five hundred Facebook comments the first time this article
Speaker 1: was posted saying like no, saying, you computer nerd, that's
Speaker 1: not right. You need to spend more time in the
Speaker 1: world computer. I know this is true. Um. And one
Speaker 1: of the theories as to why this is true is
Speaker 1: that a book spends more time in its bed, so
Speaker 1: then it has, uh, the crap building up in its system,
Speaker 1: like just comes out all lumpy were as do is
Speaker 1: they're just moving around all the time, so then their
Speaker 1: crap just comes out and just spraying out in pelletsbook comments, pellets.
Speaker 1: That was that was what many many people wanted. If
Speaker 1: you spend more time in the words, you know that's right. Yep.
Speaker 1: So so then afterwards I felt vindicated. That says something
Speaker 1: many many people believe. There's no scarecrow man. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and before you like right into to Steve or me
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, about half of those five comments were
Speaker 1: people saying that the only way to actually tell his taste,
Speaker 1: I heard that funny joke many many times, and it
Speaker 1: just wasn't funny anymore. So no need to to tell
Speaker 1: us that one again. I do believe maybe you should
Speaker 1: check into this. I'm a firm believer from my experiences
Speaker 1: that I can smell the difference between uh not not
Speaker 1: dozen bucks, but bowl and cow urine. Oh I buy that.
Speaker 1: I feel like when you can when even in the woods,
Speaker 1: you when you smell elk, you can smell a bowl
Speaker 1: or you can smell cows. Yeah, I don't. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to think that the bulls urine
Speaker 1: is browner and more concentrated. For I just missed one.
Speaker 1: I thought you had a like ex talking about your Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I really do believe that I can buy that one,
Speaker 1: especially during the right of your kan you guys around
Speaker 1: each other, Hold on, ye look at look at that fish.
Speaker 1: Fish ate both jigs. I've never seen that. You know
Speaker 1: what he's coming on? Shar truss twice. Wow, okay, crimpole,
Speaker 1: what a gluttonous fish. Till you drag down, you got
Speaker 1: a whole mess. Crank crank crank, crank, crank crank. Oh
Speaker 1: that's your line. Stop. Yeah, okay, you're good man. That
Speaker 1: means someone is not fishing well because that fish had
Speaker 1: to move a long ways undetected. I'm not um, you
Speaker 1: know two things at the same time. I'm focusing on
Speaker 1: Spencer with Spencer Spencer's backup. Now, man, that was fun sot.
Speaker 1: Another one that I covered was does gutting a critter? Oh?
Speaker 1: I went back, Are you gonna fact check? Is your
Speaker 1: next fact checker gonna be called Kenyans tell a bulls
Speaker 1: pists McCall's pip. We can do that. We can try
Speaker 1: Johnnie all right. And then the Turkey thing. But I
Speaker 1: know it to be true that a hen Turkey has
Speaker 1: a different ship than Tom. Yeah, Tom fills a jay
Speaker 1: hook ship. You know why because something about how it's
Speaker 1: something to do with the shape of the cloaca and
Speaker 1: like the reproductive organs and whatnot. And a hen has
Speaker 1: a little squirt in a in a gobbler throws a
Speaker 1: jay hook turd. You buy that? Check that. I do
Speaker 1: buy that, But I should fact check just because I need.
Speaker 1: I can't always be like, Nope, this isn't true. Your
Speaker 1: dad was wrong because this one who could be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: throw that in your fact checker. Your hunting mancher was correct.
Speaker 1: You throw that in your fact checker. I got them
Speaker 1: all day long for you man. One another one is
Speaker 1: the truth if your heart shot a skunk, you won't spray.
Speaker 1: Is that widely understand Phil? You know you do? You
Speaker 1: understand that to be true. It's the first I've heard
Speaker 1: of it. I gotta admit. Another one I wrote that
Speaker 1: was inspired by you was does gutting something make your
Speaker 1: farts smell like guts? Now, yes, people listen, not inspired
Speaker 1: by me, not inspired by somebody inspired to you. It's
Speaker 1: a very people are ready to fight over this. This
Speaker 1: issue almost caused when we're doing live podcasts, it almost
Speaker 1: caused a riot in the audience when I said, I know,
Speaker 1: people know that there's rabbit farts, dark farts. That's a drink.
Speaker 1: Actually it's pretty good dice drink um. Yeah, that you
Speaker 1: got something and then later you will pass gas. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's hear the scientific answer, because well I'm trying
Speaker 1: to lay out with the theory. That's good, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I just all those people that want to
Speaker 1: fight about this, I just they're a little childish. So
Speaker 1: I want to do some like, uh, some polling for this.
Speaker 1: I reach out to ten and my buddies that to
Speaker 1: the biggest hunters I know. And I asked him if
Speaker 1: this experienced me, how could that be true? Besides you guys? Okay,
Speaker 1: who do you? Six of the ten of them said
Speaker 1: it happens to them. Why do you ask me? Because
Speaker 1: you texted me about this, So I assumed that you
Speaker 1: were like confirming this is something that happens to you. No,
Speaker 1: I think this happens. Okay, why don't you ask Johanni?
Speaker 1: I assumed Yanni like sitting there dialing up all the
Speaker 1: people and never talked. I can add you to the polling.
Speaker 1: So now it's six out of eleven yannies, this happened
Speaker 1: to you. No, No, okay, six and twelve, six of
Speaker 1: the twelve biggest hunters. You're you're you know that that's
Speaker 1: a very statistically significant change. Yeah, yeah, it's so six
Speaker 1: or twelve said it happened to them. Um. A few
Speaker 1: of them specifically said that like birds are the worst,
Speaker 1: like ducks and pheasants they create the worst gut farts
Speaker 1: later ontarts. I then, uh found a forum that had
Speaker 1: discussed this a handful of years ago, and it had
Speaker 1: over a hundred responses The question was, does gutting a
Speaker 1: bird then make your farts smell like guts? This had
Speaker 1: a hundred responses to it said that it happened to them.
Speaker 1: Hold up, no, crane, you don't got a lot of things. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. Is this um? As you're hearing this, are
Speaker 1: you thinking like no? It sounds like complete and utter nonsense.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you like? The guts of an
Speaker 1: animal release into the air and your skin pours, suck
Speaker 1: that into your system and then into yeah, into your intestines,
Speaker 1: into air pockets and your intestines and turns into flask
Speaker 1: can be explained. But we know it's true, don't you know? Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what happens. So now Spencer give you his bogus explanation.
Speaker 1: So the answer is this foolish explanation for this? The
Speaker 1: answer is no, what gutting something does not then make
Speaker 1: your guess here's my problem, here's my problem with this?
Speaker 1: How is this? Who's researching this me? Maybe maybe it's
Speaker 1: like there's some kind of smell or something something that's
Speaker 1: released into the air that is like stuck in your
Speaker 1: old factory system and then can't forget. Yeah, she's saying
Speaker 1: that it's stuck in your old factory. And then later
Speaker 1: you your buddy's fart because it's in there, you smell
Speaker 1: it and you go, oh, doesn't have that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Picture okay, picture, that's picture. There's a half dozen guys.
Speaker 1: The half dozen even people hanging out that guys, just
Speaker 1: men and women mixed. Yeah, they both far men. It
Speaker 1: was a large group. Five of them. The day before
Speaker 1: I have been gutting rabbits. Okay. The sixth was else
Speaker 1: that they couldn't go. But now they're here at this
Speaker 1: they're here drinking beer. Okay. Now the five who were
Speaker 1: gutting rabbits, their flatulence will resemble the smell of the rabbits.
Speaker 1: If it's trapped fart partners stuck in your nose that
Speaker 1: are then liberated by farts, then that would be a
Speaker 1: way to I don't know, you see I'm getting in.
Speaker 1: That'd be a way to test it because they don't
Speaker 1: have those particles stuck in their nose. The sixth person, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a fart would enter their nose. They would say, no,
Speaker 1: that just sounds like a normal fart. That just smells
Speaker 1: like all of mine. Okay, we go on. Um, so
Speaker 1: you texted me about this at the end of October.
Speaker 1: You want to clarify a point. Yeah, I texted you
Speaker 1: this would be a good thing to look into. No, no,
Speaker 1: I know, so you text me at this the end
Speaker 1: of the end of October. Um, I had killed a
Speaker 1: deer that weekend and this, this has never happened to
Speaker 1: me before you texted me about this. I then had
Speaker 1: a bottle movement later that day and it smelled like
Speaker 1: the mule deer guts. So at that moment I knew,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is because Steve just brought this to
Speaker 1: my attention. We had a bottle movement, and then that
Speaker 1: it never happened to me before where it smelled like that.
Speaker 1: It really could have been psychosmatic. So then the real
Speaker 1: reason did you use that word often? Those two words
Speaker 1: bottle movement? No, Now, I thought, for your listeners, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the best young years here, Jimmy um. So, the
Speaker 1: farts are composed of swallowed air and then a cocktail
Speaker 1: of gases like carbon dioxide, hydrogen and other trace gases.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a reality. I had two theories.
Speaker 1: It has a lot of nice fish. Get them up,
Speaker 1: Get them up, Get them up up Jimmy's on one
Speaker 1: two doubleheader. Get oh, got him high five Jimmy. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: so flatulence is composed of swallowed air. Swallowed air, not
Speaker 1: a mix of noxious gases. Yepkin, give yourself some slack.
Speaker 1: You're gonna poke yourself. And then what else? Just open
Speaker 1: the bail, just like a cocktail of gases and swallowed air. Um. So,
Speaker 1: with that, my theory was then that this could be
Speaker 1: to be like a transurnal thing where you're handling the
Speaker 1: guts a whole bunch and somehow it like seeps through
Speaker 1: your skin. It's just so powerful that it then affects
Speaker 1: your gas. That that could be one thing or another
Speaker 1: thing is that you're huffing these fumes so much while
Speaker 1: you're gutting an animal that because they're swallowed air, that
Speaker 1: creates your farts. That like the smelly air is then
Speaker 1: changing how your fart smell. Yeah. Yeah, those are the
Speaker 1: two things that Okay, what else? What else? So I
Speaker 1: reach out to Dr Alan Lazzara been on the podcast
Speaker 1: before um and he said firmly no, and he said,
Speaker 1: what's happening here is described as dejah puh um so
Speaker 1: and he said it's not. My favorite part of it
Speaker 1: was deja. Yeah, it's not one explain, but it's one
Speaker 1: of two things going on. Either remnant gut pile particles
Speaker 1: are resting on your nose, hair, your mustache, your beard,
Speaker 1: your hands, whatever, I mean, they're liberated by someone else's fart.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that doesn't make any sense, so
Speaker 1: that that could be one of Another is that the
Speaker 1: memory of game gut order is triggered in the hippocampus
Speaker 1: and mammillary bodies after smelling another similar smelling fart down
Speaker 1: the line, and his quote was that old factory signals,
Speaker 1: which control our sense of smell, go through the hippocampus
Speaker 1: and mamillary bodies, which are integral to memory formation and recall.
Speaker 1: So what's similar to like if you smell banana bread
Speaker 1: and it makes you think of your mom. It's like
Speaker 1: that your your memory and you're such a smell are
Speaker 1: very very closely linked. Like if I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of rotten eggs, So you had a bunch of rotten
Speaker 1: eggs soul free, then another a couple days later, someone
Speaker 1: rips one and you're like, right, yeah, because they're just
Speaker 1: you're just remembering how nasty those rotten eggs were so dejapu.
Speaker 1: And when we posted this one on Facebook, there were
Speaker 1: many many people that volunteered to have me smell their
Speaker 1: farts so then I would know that this is in
Speaker 1: fact what happens. There are also many people that volunteered
Speaker 1: their wives to uh confirm that their husband's gas smells
Speaker 1: like rabbit farts or parts. Yeah, it's the same people
Speaker 1: who told you to eat the same people, so uh
Speaker 1: many volunteers. People wrote in to say, go ask my wife, yes,
Speaker 1: my flagelen smells like a rabbit. That I got it.
Speaker 1: Was she there for the gutting? I would assume not.
Speaker 1: And that's that's why they felt so strongly that when
Speaker 1: their wives could confirm that mid November their husband's farts
Speaker 1: just smell dank like deer guts, that this has to
Speaker 1: be what's happening. You know. I want to say that
Speaker 1: you put a nail in the coffin on this one,
Speaker 1: but I can't say that you put a nail on
Speaker 1: the coff I think there's a lot unanswered, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of unanswered questions. I feel pretty confident that it's
Speaker 1: in your head, no doubt. I don't have this problem.
Speaker 1: I think that my nose, my nose isn't hairy enough
Speaker 1: to hold the old particles that are liberated can hit me.
Speaker 1: Another one is looking at if the Farmer's Almanac is accurate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are there's still holdouts to think that it is. They
Speaker 1: there's multiple of these. There's the Old Farmers Almanac and
Speaker 1: the Farmers Almanac, both of which have sold tens of
Speaker 1: millions of copies. Like these are still very very popular.
Speaker 1: Puts this out the Farmers Almanac and the Old Farmers Almanac.
Speaker 1: So it's like that's like the name of the their
Speaker 1: separate publications, but they both kind of dabble in the
Speaker 1: same thing, the Farmer's Almanac and the Old Farmer's Almanac.
Speaker 1: Imagine a lot of people are like, well, I'll take
Speaker 1: the old one. So like, what's your familiarity with the
Speaker 1: Farmer's Almanac. I've never read one. My familiarity we would
Speaker 1: always have them when I was young, and my familiarity
Speaker 1: let me let me I'll speak to it this way. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like like growing up, people would have a thing like
Speaker 1: an attitude about the Farmer's Almanac was kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: you can argue all you want, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how they do what they do, but right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like like they would defend it and then and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, well, I I can't it's beyond explanation. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's just always something to it. And
Speaker 1: they just like exist in grocery store checkout aisles where
Speaker 1: you pick one up and thumps through it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can buy like a bunch of stupid stuff about celebrities.
Speaker 1: They can buy the farmers are yeah yeah, and like
Speaker 1: when they come out, um, this is still a thing
Speaker 1: that news stations cover them and say the Farmer's Almanactor
Speaker 1: just came out and we are in for a long
Speaker 1: wet winter or whatever. And I think that was the
Speaker 1: example that that was used this year, that this is
Speaker 1: going to be a really rough winter. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to look in because I liked these things, um like
Speaker 1: I took value in them when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Uh if my grandfather would say something about the Farmer's
Speaker 1: Almanact that they had next to the toilet, about oh man,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of ice for ice fishing
Speaker 1: this year, or shoot those slews you're gonna freeze out
Speaker 1: because of how nasty of a winter it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: So that's how it related to me as an outdoors man.
Speaker 1: But they also have a tons of other stuff and
Speaker 1: they're like when you should plant your tomatoes, how to
Speaker 1: heal mosquito bites, stuff like that. But they're big thing
Speaker 1: are these super long range forecasts about what the year's
Speaker 1: weather is going to be. Like, Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: the same. I feel like like the go for the
Speaker 1: groundhog that comes out. Ye. So both of these publications
Speaker 1: started in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: and they won't give up what their formula is how
Speaker 1: they come up with what the weather is going to
Speaker 1: be eight months from now, but they will say that
Speaker 1: it's an exclusive mathematical and astronomical formula that relies on
Speaker 1: sunspot activity, title action, planetary position, and many other factors.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know they even made a I didn't
Speaker 1: know they even went that far. They don't want to
Speaker 1: give you the whole formula, but a little bit of
Speaker 1: proprietary right. The Farmer's Almanac actually claims to be a
Speaker 1: d to eighty five percent accurate each year. That's from
Speaker 1: their own editors and publishers. That's their number is that
Speaker 1: they're there for procasts are that accurate? And how these
Speaker 1: really came into popularity, UM was in what year was
Speaker 1: it eighteen sixteen, they inadvertently but correctly predicted that there
Speaker 1: was going to be snow in July. And what it
Speaker 1: happened was there was a volcano in Indonesia that exploded
Speaker 1: and it caused a summer that had like rain, sleet
Speaker 1: and snow. So they correctly predicted, uh, this weather forecast
Speaker 1: that was determined by a volcano, and leveraged that into
Speaker 1: hundreds of years of misinformation and they said, look at this,
Speaker 1: and then it just became a thing that oh, they
Speaker 1: they are onto something here. So that was when it
Speaker 1: how it gained popularity in the early So I reached
Speaker 1: out some actual meteorologists to ask him about this. You
Speaker 1: can I ask you a quick question. Has it been
Speaker 1: owned by a family or the same company switched hands
Speaker 1: many times years that that I'm not sure. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about so actual meteorologists they are in agreement that
Speaker 1: this is not accurate at all. Uh. The one that
Speaker 1: is difficult enough to do a five day forecast like,
Speaker 1: let alone a six month forecast or an eight month
Speaker 1: forecast or even a ten day forecast. So it's just
Speaker 1: not that easy um to pull off. And when it
Speaker 1: comes to those secret formulas like solar activity, whether experts
Speaker 1: point out that there's no scientific backing for those methods
Speaker 1: at all. There's no scientific backing for translating sun spots
Speaker 1: on the weather. Yep, that's not something that modern day
Speaker 1: meteorologists use it all. And like, the simplest way to
Speaker 1: put this is that these almanacs are to meteorology as
Speaker 1: to what astrology is to astronomy. So they're creating these
Speaker 1: horoscopes that are just bagging off and broad enough that
Speaker 1: they could be applied almost anything with some amount of accuracy.
Speaker 1: My wife just went to a tarot card reader and
Speaker 1: boy was he off about a couple of things, including
Speaker 1: that she was single. She didn't have every wedding ring
Speaker 1: on that day. He's laying the groundwork you're single. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm married and I have three children. Yeah, same kind
Speaker 1: of suitor science. So did they did they come in
Speaker 1: with like is there sort of how right are they? Well,
Speaker 1: like the numbers that are out there as far as
Speaker 1: them being a dent accurate, that's internally, that's their own numbers.
Speaker 1: So they can say whatever they want. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's just vague off that it could apply to any
Speaker 1: winter that we ever have. Yeah, we have a book
Speaker 1: where you can look up your birthday and that tells
Speaker 1: you about you. Um, it's kind of like a it's
Speaker 1: like astrology, but a little bit different too. Been every
Speaker 1: description someone reads, everyone's like if you confuse it, like
Speaker 1: when it's your birthday and you read it, like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, They're like a lot of times you're a
Speaker 1: pretty nice guy, but sometimes you're not a nice guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, how they know? But then like
Speaker 1: you can trick people and on their birthday read them
Speaker 1: some different birthday and thinking like oh my god, just
Speaker 1: like a lot of times you have good luck, but
Speaker 1: sometimes you have bad luck. You're a good friend, but
Speaker 1: when you've had enough, you've had enough, and people like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's meat that hits home. So what's uh,
Speaker 1: what's the next for fact checker? I don't know what's
Speaker 1: the one you want to do? What you're scared to do.
Speaker 1: Besides that, there is a good example of one that
Speaker 1: I like, I would love to know the answer to you.
Speaker 1: But when I've looked into it, I've just never came
Speaker 1: away confident that I could like report on this well
Speaker 1: and say one way or the other that this is
Speaker 1: a fact or fiction that being does a rutting buck
Speaker 1: taste worse? M? Like, can you taste the rut in
Speaker 1: a buck? Yeah? And that's that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that make this makes as hard as like, uh, what
Speaker 1: is a rutting buck? Like, how do you define a
Speaker 1: rutting book? Is it only is it only in that
Speaker 1: week where they're breeding? Or is it a buck killed
Speaker 1: in mid October or early December? Um? And yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make it taste worse, doesn't make it taste different. Um.
Speaker 1: All those things like kind of make that a difficult
Speaker 1: one to tackle. And when I did start looking into this,
Speaker 1: I got into like the beef industry where when these
Speaker 1: critters are going through and getting slaughtered occasionally they have
Speaker 1: dark cutters. Are you familiar with that red cutter? Dark cutter? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's where the meat is so dark, like like
Speaker 1: a healthy Um, I guess cow's meat would be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a pink to a light red. What
Speaker 1: would you say that's that's accurate? A dark cutter is
Speaker 1: like almost purple and it has to do with stress levels,
Speaker 1: right exactly. And they've looked into what causes the stress
Speaker 1: of these critters. Is it the poking and prodding with
Speaker 1: um tools, Is it um like the loud noises at
Speaker 1: the slaughterhouse, is it transporting them? Is it the lack
Speaker 1: of feed? Like? What is the number one cause? Because
Speaker 1: they're in the line of death and they can hear
Speaker 1: their friends bellowing ahead of them. So what they determine
Speaker 1: is that the number one uh thing that causes a
Speaker 1: dark cutter is the interaction with unfamiliar animals when they
Speaker 1: get to these slaughter facilities and all of that's a
Speaker 1: leading contributor of stress for for cattle to be a
Speaker 1: dark cutters. The number one thing that caused dark cutters
Speaker 1: that he gets mixed in with a bunch of animals
Speaker 1: he's not familiar with, right, whether that be like unfamiliar cattle,
Speaker 1: or it could be pigs. I guess it could be
Speaker 1: vice and it could be elk. Who knows. I guess
Speaker 1: it didn't. I don't. I don't recall it expanding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, it's like your first pishure ever called that's
Speaker 1: my second take a picture of Phil for the podcast studio,
Speaker 1: Phil the engineer. What's your current picture in there? Phil?
Speaker 1: I got nothing. That's great, Phil, because this guy's headset
Speaker 1: out makes it look like an engineer pilot. You're the
Speaker 1: only person who's photos not in the student Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: go on though. So Yeah, being around unfamiliar animals was
Speaker 1: the number one cause. So if you took and you
Speaker 1: wanted to apply that to deer and say, like, would
Speaker 1: that stress out deer during the rut? They run into
Speaker 1: all kinds of like unfamiliar deer that they haven't seen before.
Speaker 1: But there has to be a difference between like an
Speaker 1: ox that was domestically created over ten thousand years then
Speaker 1: a wild white tail duking it out in the rut
Speaker 1: doing something that they've always done. I think another interesting
Speaker 1: thing to look at when you get around this when
Speaker 1: you talk to meat scientists is be that leading into
Speaker 1: their um reproductive season, there has to be a there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some kind of hormonal shift going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm guessing there's like, you know, an increase of
Speaker 1: some hormones and a decrease in other hormones um and
Speaker 1: that that could obviously have some kind of in part
Speaker 1: on the taste I had a guy in Scotland one
Speaker 1: time tell me that in the German market, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's always like here, like, oh, I don't like that
Speaker 1: two game that when it comes to like in Germany
Speaker 1: when they're buying red deer for commercial sale, they like
Speaker 1: stags during the roar. So maybe they're wrong, right, fact
Speaker 1: check those sons of bitches. Yeah, And that was they
Speaker 1: might be operating under some kind of erroneous assumption about
Speaker 1: what makes me they like and there there is like
Speaker 1: part of that that makes this difficulties. Like I said,
Speaker 1: what what is tasting works or tasting more gaming? Because
Speaker 1: I think during the slaughter House studies, it's like one
Speaker 1: percent of American cattle are considered dark cutters, but in
Speaker 1: Europe it's like three. So is it that they have
Speaker 1: more stressed out animals or do they have a higher
Speaker 1: tolerance for being a dark cutter. So that's that's also
Speaker 1: something that makes this hardy a low tolerance that they're
Speaker 1: more likely to declare an animal dark cutter in Europe. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I meant, because I'm gassing a dark cutter
Speaker 1: gets fished. I think it's concerning to like dog food.
Speaker 1: Probably depends on what facility. But that's one that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't feel like I could do justice to the question.
Speaker 1: So you're not doing it. Probably won't cover it because
Speaker 1: it would be too hard, uh to nail down. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that you could have the right answer one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Then the hand you like to
Speaker 1: come in clean. Yes, I want someone to read it
Speaker 1: and then feel confident that what they read is in fact, act, factual,
Speaker 1: the straight dope. If there's gotta be I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people study meat. There's gotta be other things
Speaker 1: other than just dark cutters that have been studied by
Speaker 1: meat scientists. Yeah, I'd like you to talk to a
Speaker 1: couple of meat scientists before you give this one up.
Speaker 1: Do your due diligence. Now you've told people what they
Speaker 1: won't be able to read about at the media dot com.
Speaker 1: What are some things that people can look forward to
Speaker 1: more fact checkers? Yeah, but give me a specific you know,
Speaker 1: having in the old pipeline they if you want, if
Speaker 1: you have an idea for a fact checker, right to
Speaker 1: us at fact Checker at the mead dot com. F
Speaker 1: A C T H E c K E Er at
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com. Do you ever do the
Speaker 1: ones that are like so obviously wrong, but it's still
Speaker 1: something you hear about, like that the porcupine can throw it.
Speaker 1: Squills said, You're like, do you just not do those
Speaker 1: because they're so stupid. I'm hesitant to, Like I said,
Speaker 1: create a scarecrow man for these. There was one that
Speaker 1: I was really intrigued by, but I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: so stupid that why would I even put any time
Speaker 1: into writing this? And that was that the moon phase
Speaker 1: when you're hanging an aging meat affects the quality of
Speaker 1: the meat. That's not worth doing. No, no, no, I know.
Speaker 1: And that that's an example because it needs to be
Speaker 1: a full moon so that the moon dust falls down
Speaker 1: to uh add the extra flavor? Have you done? I
Speaker 1: know we've written about this, Uh, we've covered this, but
Speaker 1: we haven't covered in fact checker farm And to be
Speaker 1: kind of like recycling an old idea, But it might
Speaker 1: be time again because there's always new research coming out
Speaker 1: about high winds. What do high winds do for deer movements?
Speaker 1: What does the full moon do for dearer movements? Um?
Speaker 1: I think you could keep whittling away at that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because those are changing things all the time. Yeah, things
Speaker 1: we can certainly cover for fact Checker that I think
Speaker 1: we've covered in other parts of our website, whether it
Speaker 1: be Mark Ken on the podcast or something Pat Durkin
Speaker 1: has written. But yeah, there there are uh as many
Speaker 1: misconceptions around white tail movement as or I think anything
Speaker 1: else in the outdoor community. You could also uh fact
Speaker 1: check is your honest true outdoors is really not? Is
Speaker 1: you honest really not true outdoors? And then once you
Speaker 1: can came to the conclusion there, you could then compare
Speaker 1: who is more of an outdoorsman, Stephen or Yanna. There
Speaker 1: you go. I was gonna add to you the email
Speaker 1: if you have a fact checker, you know email to
Speaker 1: write in. But if you're still stuck on the um
Speaker 1: the gut smells, you should just attach your gut far
Speaker 1: smell in that email and send it in and we
Speaker 1: can all see attachment. Bottle it up, love it all right?
Speaker 1: Uh real quick? Um me, and you are still running
Speaker 1: for president. That's not changed. The campaign is gonna heat
Speaker 1: up more later. Yeah, Uh, by yourself a AI T
Speaker 1: shirt because uh remember all the proceeds profits, how do
Speaker 1: we have to put it? Always? Pree gets go for
Speaker 1: access Basically all the money when we're launching an access project. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna support an access project with all of our
Speaker 1: money that Ronella protels campaign slogan hit it Yoanni better
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing for America. I hung a Ronella Patel
Speaker 1: sign in my garage and I used blaze orange duct
Speaker 1: tape to hold it up. When people walk in, they
Speaker 1: noticed it, right, And it's probably all sold out. It's
Speaker 1: probably by the time this area might be all sold out.
Speaker 1: A lot of the venues are sold out. We have
Speaker 1: an eleven city tour coming up, yeah one day, though
Speaker 1: it is down in Masis. You might if you want
Speaker 1: to go somewhere warm this spring, maybe check out that venue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: media or live off the air. A lot of them
Speaker 1: are sold out. All of the I P tickets are
Speaker 1: gone everywhere, but there might be some tickets left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never know by the time. Currently there are a
Speaker 1: number of venues still selling tickets. And maybe we'll add
Speaker 1: a couple of dates. You never know, check in, so
Speaker 1: come check it out. We'll have some Maybe we'll try
Speaker 1: to roll an element of fact Checker into it. People
Speaker 1: can shout out lies and then we'll live back check
Speaker 1: um and then we're all still trying to work out.
Speaker 1: Are you from with this dollar dance with cal for
Speaker 1: twenty bucks for conservation? I am when you brought that,
Speaker 1: no idea how that will work. I couldn't believe that,
Speaker 1: Like everyone else had not heard of it before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just like a staple at weddings. My wife kind
Speaker 1: of half doesn't believe me, and she grew up in
Speaker 1: the same state I did. You'd go to a wedding,
Speaker 1: I say, a couple things that haven't at weddings. There's
Speaker 1: a dollar dance to my wedding for a buck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a dollar. Yes, you wipe be dancing her
Speaker 1: ass trying to raise some money. Did you guys have
Speaker 1: did you guys take spawn? Did you guys take spawn
Speaker 1: bag material and tie up cocktail peanuts and those pastel
Speaker 1: colored mints in a spawn sack? Exactly what you're talking
Speaker 1: about right now. What in the old days, when I
Speaker 1: was a boy, when you got married, when people got married,
Speaker 1: you'd going on your plate would be like spawn bag material,
Speaker 1: like the mesh spawns stuff you use, the tie spawn bag,
Speaker 1: and it'd be full of those red cocktail peanuts and
Speaker 1: those little pastel colored pink and blue mints and you
Speaker 1: tie a bow on it, and that was like an
Speaker 1: appetizer snack waiting at your seat, and you'd eat that,
Speaker 1: and then you'd eat old people's ones that didn't eat theirs,
Speaker 1: and then eventually there'd be the dollar dance. It's like
Speaker 1: a party favor. And then someone's uncle would get wasted
Speaker 1: and tie his neck tie around his head and it
Speaker 1: was about that time you went home. It sounds like
Speaker 1: most weddings. Uh yeah. And when you're writing in your
Speaker 1: fact checker things, how to pull off dollar dance with
Speaker 1: Cal for twenty bucks for conservation, because Cal is very
Speaker 1: stressed out about it, the logistics of it. But I
Speaker 1: have a feeling, I have a vision in a feverish
Speaker 1: dream that came to me that this is something that
Speaker 1: needs to happen at the live shows. I've also been
Speaker 1: talking to my buddy from back home, who he was.
Speaker 1: He had a cover band when we were in high school,
Speaker 1: and UM, I'm thinking about have him for our maybe
Speaker 1: for our Detroit show. I'm thinking about having him crafting
Speaker 1: up a um a quick run through of all of
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