1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thanks 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: so much for joining us again this week. We are 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: always excited to be back. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Hunt Kathy, Oh, we are so excited to be back, 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: and especially today because we're going to be talking all 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: about this past episode of The Golden bachel Or the 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Fantasy Suitees episode. Susan, I don't even know where to 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: begin so much to talk about it. What do you think? 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: Can I just say from the start they were throwing 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: a football, they were just lobbing the ball like kind 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: of boring. 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: I think it could have been a. 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Better entry, like maybe the girls walking together down the beach, 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: or or him in thought down the beach, because he 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: doesn't show us a lot of emotion, so maybe we 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: could have seen him going through something himself and get 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: out loud whatever. 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: So my thought, first of all, the first little intro was, 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: you know, Cindy and Mel and him saying where there's 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: a will, there's a way, and I thought, okay, we're 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: going to get into that. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: We've said that quite a bit. 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Yeah he did, but I heard Jesse say to him, 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: which thank you, Jesse. Jesse said, Mel, you gotta you 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: gotta step it up. You got to tell these women 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: where you are, what you think, which which to me 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: makes the rest of the episode so hard to deal 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: with because Jesse had just said, Buddy, now's the time. 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: You're one week away from engagements. Now it's the time 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: to let these women know what you think. And that's 31 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: where I want to get into and go ahead. I'm sorry, No, 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to get into. Uh uh, you know, 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: Mel with the date with with Peg, which we're going 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: to talk about, on the date with Cindy, which we're 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: going to talk but I just want to start out 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: before we get into those specifics. I give Mel props. 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people are finding this 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: season boring, finding Mel boring. But for the first time, Mel, actually, 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: we may not like it as the audience because we 40 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: want it to be about love and we want Mel 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: to fall in love. But you know what, he's really clear, 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: he says, I don't use the word love loosely. For him. 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: He said, it's heavy and it's loaded. It has tons 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: of meeting, meaning I won't tell someone I love them 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: again just to say it. And I thought, you know what, 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: good for you? 47 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: Mel? 48 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: While the premise of this show is to fall in 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: love and hopefully have an engagement. He literally comes out 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: and says, I can't do that. I am not in love, 51 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: so I value that. I think these women don't like it, 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: and I don't blame them, but you know, let's talk 53 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: a little bit about the date you go ahead. 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: He shared about he doesn't use that word often and 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: how long it took him to do it when he 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: got married way back when, and you have to respect 57 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: that he shares how great he feels about both of them, 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: and I agree with you with Jesse saying, okay, buddy, like, yeah, 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: it's got to be. 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: One of them or perhaps none of them. 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: Right, but either way, as the show goes on, as 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: we all know, he doesn't use the word at all. 63 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Where we start with Cindy in her own head thinking, 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, when she's not with him, is he 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: with her? 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: He's with Peg. 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: That's Cindy's whole show About Cindy. She always thought that 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't not a jealousy thing, but it was hard 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: for her to watch him date other women through the 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: whole entire thing. Now Here she is at the overnights 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: and there is one other woman, but of course if 72 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: he's not with you, he's with her, right right? 73 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: So hard? 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So before we get into the dates themselves, You're 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: absolutely right, I agree with you, it has to be hard. 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: But the other thing I loved about this episode, and 77 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: and you know, if we're being honest, it's you and 78 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: I have had a tough time with this season, as 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: have many people in bachtslor Nation. But the other thing, 80 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: not only do I give Mel props for really coming 81 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: out and saying where he is, I also think that 82 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: Susan Hello. I also think that Cindy and Peg for 83 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: the very first time, and maybe it's because it came 84 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: down to just the two of them being left, we 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: see very clearly the difference between these two whips. We 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 2: see definitively that Peg is a fun loving girl and 87 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: and and she even comes out and says, I'm not 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: ready to fall in love. I can't say those words. 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: And Cindy is all about the romance, all about my 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: prince Charming, and I fared in love with him. And 91 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: so I think that I love the editing with these 92 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: two because I really feel that as a viewer we 93 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: see the real differences between them. So you want, let's 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: start with the date with Pet. 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: First of all, he crawled in on the g on 96 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: the buggy. 97 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: Whatever the thing is, They are so much fun and 98 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: maybe he was just being cautious going to get her, 99 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: but did just see. 100 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: His face when she took. 101 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: He was holding on for dear life. And he says 102 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: he loves her energy. He thinks she's a badass. He 103 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: connects on an emotional level, he feels her. 104 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: Spirits, all of those things. I love all that. But 105 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: he was scared. 106 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: He was this wasn't a great overnight fantasy weekend for 107 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: him because both things he didn't like the sting raise 108 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: and he looked just. 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: Said, let me just say the sting ray day when 110 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: we get to that, that's going down in bachelor history 111 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: that way. 112 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: But he looks like a shit of brick, I swear 113 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: to god. When he his eyes opened up, he grabbed 114 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: the old ship bar and said, oh God. But then 115 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: he was laughing and he was enjoying it. She was 116 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: going crazy and he was enjoying it. But that's who 117 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: she is. That's who she's been the entire show. 118 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: I agree. Uh. The other thing I love that Mel 119 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: said is she's captivating, and I feel like Peg says 120 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, I have a tough exterior. It's a defense mechanism, 121 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: and when I feel safe and I trust, I go 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: him with both feet. I actually think Mel is probably 123 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: the same way. That's why I think they're a good match. 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: I think he and Cindy could be a good match too, 125 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: But that's why I think he and Peg. I think 126 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: they're in the same place. They don't cavalierly throughout the 127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: word love. They They're both reserved, I think. But I 128 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: do think Peg would be an easy choice for this reason. 129 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 3: Mel. 130 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: And maybe it's a little bit the way my marriage was. 131 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: You know, I was the entertainer in my marriage. I 132 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 2: was the one that brought the fun, and my husband 133 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: was much calmer, more reserved like Mel. And it's very 134 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: easy for Mel to literally watch Peg caltivate her room, 135 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: you know, take take control in that way. It doesn't 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: take a lot of energy or on his part, or 137 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: deliberate behavior. It doesn't. He just has to sit back 138 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: and watch Peg be Peg. 139 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: And I think it actually helped Mel when Peg shared 140 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: that she cannot fix a relationship, Yeah, and she was 141 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: hoping that Mel had a safe place for her in 142 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: his heart. She does take it slow same as him. 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: But when she said, how do you feel about us? 144 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: One word good? It's like pulling teeth Mel. I need 145 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: to talk to you. 146 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: Well, Mel, what do you think of ice cream? It's good? 147 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: Mel good. 148 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: What do you think of death and taxes? They're good? 149 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Which immediately I mean, Peg says, I'm wondering if he 150 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: is emotionally available, even though they both want to take 151 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: it slow. 152 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: But is he? 153 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: You know, that's a red flag people that are not 154 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: emotionally available. 155 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: So, Susan, that's my question. You know, it always in 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: the in these in this show, it's always about what 157 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: we see versus what really happens, right, and so you 158 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: and I've always talked about, oh maybe it's the edits, 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: you know, maybe we just didn't see it happen. But 160 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: this episode blew my mind because both Cindy and Peg say, 161 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: you know, he's got to give us jelse everyone the 162 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: commercial you know, the commercial break, everyone's saying he needs 163 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: to give these women more. So now I'm left thinking 164 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: he hasn't given them what they need in his personality, 165 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: in communicating, in showing his emotion. So when Peg says 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: she needs to feel more vulnerable, and it's scary and 167 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: it's risky. I'm like, are you kidding me? You're not 168 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: getting anything. You couldn't be any more vulnerable. 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: He does say that he's thankful that she gave him 170 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity, so that's what they're going with. He he 171 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: loves being around her, her spirit and then the thunder, 172 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: remember the thunder and the lightning, and he says it's 173 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: a sign. 174 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: I was like, thank you, thank you. You've got to 175 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: wait Saint humor in there. 176 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear it when he said And I 177 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 2: literally rewound it twice because I burst out laughing. I 178 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: gotta be honest, and I mean, I like Mel, I've 179 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: met him. He's a nice guy too. When he says 180 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: in the jeep one of his interviews, he needs he 181 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: wants Peg to lower, to lower her tough exterior, he's 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: he says she's guarded. I'm like, if she's guarded, Mel, 183 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: you are guarded. You are guarded to the one hundredth exponent, Like, 184 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: are you serious? I mean, I thought that was so 185 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: interesting that he said she needs to be less guarded. 186 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: Holy smart, because she is just like him. But she 187 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: does say she wants to get to the next level 188 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: after him saying thank you for the opportunity and how 189 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: much she likes her and blah blah blah. 190 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: But when he says, what. 191 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Do you think about going to the Vanity's fantasy suits? 192 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: That's all she had to go on. He's thankful. Yeah, 193 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: he likes being around her. Like, what else is there? 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: Oh wait, I can tell you missed, Susan. We have 195 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: to stop the presses here. You missed. You missed the 196 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 2: important point that puts PEG in the lead in this episode. 197 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: Are you ready? I wrote it down. I had to 198 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 2: watch it twice. She's full of joy and her sweaty, 199 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: curly hair blowing in the wind. She's fearless, fun and tough. 200 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: Peg is perfect for me. This is all a quote. 201 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: Peg is perfect for me. I'm all in. You know 202 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: what I did. I went to the drug store and 203 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: bought a bottle of Clairel blonde dye and a and 204 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: a curling iron. If that's all it takes to get 205 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: a guy, I got. I got this problem solved. I 206 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: mean seriously, he said that sweat and curly hair in 207 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: the wind. Like, I'm all in. 208 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: He's liking it. He likes her sweat. You know that's 209 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: some men like that. 210 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: Why not. She gets active, she gets funky, she goes 211 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: for it. 212 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: You're killing me. You got to get a job at 213 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: a PR firm. Are you serious? 214 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: There? 215 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: Serious the emotion? 216 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Where is the He's not giving emotions, So you gotta 217 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: go on the next thing. 218 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: Best thing like what sweaty? 219 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: Okay? I like, hey, peg, if you're listening to this podcast, 220 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: can you tell me how this worked out for you? 221 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: How's your sweat in your curly air? 222 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: And obviously the overnights are the time that you take 223 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: all the audio off. You really get to talk to 224 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: one another. Okay, we don't get to see that part. 225 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: When they first got there, the little band was playing 226 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: out off their balcony and they danced for a second. 227 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: They don't show us much. However, when they got up, 228 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: they said. She says, is he exceeded it. The night 229 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: exceeded her expectations, and they connected on a whole bunch. 230 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: Of whatever that means. They had sex, and I mean 231 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: that's all you can imagine the sex. 232 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: She feels safe seeing heard and they're really big steps. 233 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so your overnight went well. 234 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, But you know what she said. She here's 235 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: the thing, here's the rub for me, She said several times, 236 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: literally in a row. Is he emotionally available? Those words? 237 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: She also said she knows what she wants in her 238 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: golden years. I'm also going to harken back if that's 239 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: a word too. Way back in the beginning, do you 240 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: remember Peg saying, so this all gives me, you know, pause, 241 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Peg saying I'm retired. I'm looking for someone who's retired. 242 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: I've raised my kids. I don't want kids. He's not retired, 243 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: he's got kids. So I'm and is emotionally available? I'm 244 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: thinking how many boxes is he checking for either one 245 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: of these women? Now, maybe he was great in bed, 246 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: so that's another box to check. 247 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: But comes on, is that the definition of love is 248 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: blind when you're in like you're just blind to all 249 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: the things that on your list and they're not checking 250 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: any of them off. 251 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: Maybe I mean bling right, then we get to wait 252 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: wait And then. 253 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: He was smiling. 254 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: He looked a little more relaxed the next morning, laying there, 255 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: and he said, you want to get breakfast? 256 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: Are you hungry? 257 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: Now? I found it interesting that Peg said that, And 258 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: I've told you before I see a lot of myself 259 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: in Peg. I'm a puppy dog. I get excited. I'm 260 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: you know, I can rule the room sort of like Peg. 261 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: But I loved when she said she was entertaining the 262 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: idea of marriage for the first time in a long time, 263 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: that she's excited about having a partner. And Mel's answer 264 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: was I like you a lot, You're spared your energy 265 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: and wants to explore it further. Again, I keep coming 266 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: back to that. I have to give Mel props. He 267 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: wants to explore it further. He's not in love, so 268 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: maybe had grace sex, but he's not in love. 269 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: He said the same thing to Cindy. I know he 270 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: doesn't know about getting married. He likes her a lot, 271 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: and where is this going He doesn't know? I mean, 272 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: that's later, so yeah, let's let's okay. 273 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: Wait, I got one when. 274 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: I asked leaving the overnight. That wasn't good for me, 275 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: either for either one of Peg or Mel. Because normally, 276 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: as I've watched the shows, as they kiss goodbye and 277 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: I know they're going to go on the date with 278 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: the other person, he doesn't. It's like an emotional It's 279 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: an emotional hug and kiss. 280 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: It was a simple kiss. 281 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: He turned around and walked away, and she stood there 282 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: and watched all the way down the beach, and I 283 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: was waiting for him to turn around, blow a kiss, 284 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: give her a piece sun, give her a finger. 285 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: For God's sake, I don't care what you do, but 286 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: do something. Give me. 287 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: So funny you said that, because because I thought the 288 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,359 Speaker 2: same thing, like Peg looked like she's waiting for a bus, 289 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: and you know, and and he's walking, and you know 290 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: he's walking away. You know he's got he's got a 291 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: bus to catch in the other direction. I do think 292 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: it's so Yeah, I was too. Mel did say though, 293 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: that they are compatible. I don't know. I almost find myself, 294 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure I'll take Keith for this one too. 295 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: I almost wonder if you know, Mel has said many 296 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: times that his love, the only love he's ever had, 297 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: was his wife, Yes, and his ex wife. I almost 298 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: wonder if if he can't the reason he's struggling so 299 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: much is he can see he said, Peg is compatible 300 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: with me, like that's what he's looking for. Maybe he 301 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: doesn't want or can't feel that deep love because he 302 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: was so hurt by what happened in his marriage. 303 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: I don't know that could be that, or it could be. Also, 304 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: it's only been a month, right, some people don't feel. 305 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does exactly, and it takes a slow burn 306 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: and all that. I'm just saying, we're not as far 307 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: as the show goes, we as an audience are not 308 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: getting the romance that we want. We're not getting the 309 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: emotional ties. We're not getting the oh my god, he's 310 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: fallen in love. We got Peg who's running a circus 311 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: and I mean that the best way. She's having a blast. 312 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: And we have Cindy, who is, you know, the damsel 313 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: and distress and just needs some affirmation that he loves her, 314 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: which she's never going to get because at least not 315 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: in this episode and maybe not in the finale. Maybe 316 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: who knows. We don't know yet, but it doesn't appear 317 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: that this is in his wheelhouse. And so you know, 318 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: that's text struggle. 319 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Also, what we have to compare to is our Gary, 320 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: who was very emotional. If the world saw what he 321 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: felt and he shared. And this guy, you can't blame 322 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: mel for being who he is. No, I'll give him that. 323 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: He doesn't wear it on his sleeve, He keeps it in. 324 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Maybe at the end he just burst out and says 325 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: you're the one I'm hoping something. 326 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: You know what I've got. I really have given this 327 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: a lot of thoughts, Susan. If I am trying to 328 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: get a guy to open up to me and show 329 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: me his love and care and put his arms round me, 330 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to 331 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: put him in the ocean with a pile of sting 332 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: ray That's what I'm going to do. Let's talk about that. 333 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: We got a guy who's scared to death of horses. 334 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: You know, when he's on the horse with Cindy, he 335 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: can't drive a dune buggy more than five miles an hour. 336 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: And now we're in with stingrays, who, by the way, 337 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 2: have not stung anyone in like thirty plus years, and 338 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: he's scared to death. 339 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: How about when he's going in for the date and 340 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: he shares he has such good feelings, strong feelings for Cindy, 341 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: and he feels really hopeful about Cindy. 342 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: And then they get on the boat. 343 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: And it looks so sweet and they talk about the stingrays. 344 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: They're cheering to Champagne. I'm sorry, mal I know you 345 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: on the outside world and you're a great guy, but 346 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: you're a dead fish here. 347 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 3: You're a dead fish. You're not showing up. 348 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: Don't you insult stingrays like that? I think he does say, 349 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: though again, I'm telling you, I'm going back and forth, 350 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: and I realize I'm all over the map here because 351 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: parts of the show really spoke to me. He did 352 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: say to Cindy, I like you a lot, but it's 353 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: a process. He is literally spelling out to Cindy, and 354 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: I'm I'm talking to Cindy on the TV, going Cindy, 355 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: he's telling you, he can't do it in this frame, 356 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: this amount of time. He's saying exactly, but he's saying, 357 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: I like you a lot. I want I want to 358 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: to him. That's a huge deal. And Cindy, of course, 359 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: is saying, you know, you make me feel comfortable, you 360 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: make me feel safe. You know she's crazy about him. 361 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: I'm falling in love. She could see a life of them. 362 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: YadA YadA yah. He is cannot get that. 363 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: All she wants is to know his intentions. She speaks up, 364 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: I mean that's all she wants. 365 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, now, I'm going to disagree with you 366 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: that he wants you. 367 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: To know what what is holding him back? 368 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: I right, here's what I think Cindy wants. I think 369 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: Cindy is in love with mel and I think Cindy 370 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: wants him to tell her that he's falling in love 371 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: with her. She's controlling it. Well, that's not knowing her intentions. 372 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: That is I'm sorry, that is not Sidney one know 373 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: his intentions. He's made his intentions very clear season. His 374 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: intention is to try to pick one of these women 375 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: and go down the road and see if there's a 376 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: future with him. He has said it six ways to Sunday. 377 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: Cindy's not liking what she's hearing. That's a different. Well, 378 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: that's that's different. 379 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: Obvious, But she said it out loud. She wants to 380 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: know his intentions prior to getting on the boat. That 381 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: was one of the things she said. And I like 382 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: you a lot, and that's a big deal. She's crazy 383 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: about him. 384 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: Yes, we just sattle that. But if you say to someone, 385 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: what are your intentions? In Cindy's case, she wants him 386 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: to say what she said. He she wants she doesn't 387 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: want to know his intentions. Again, he's made his intentions 388 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 2: very clear. This relationship will have to develop over time. 389 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: He says those words starts, he makes his intentions very clear. 390 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: That isn't what Cindy wants. Cindy wants reciprocity. She wants 391 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: to hear that he's falling in love with her, and 392 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: he ain't doing it. 393 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: And I don't blame Paul. 394 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: It takes lots of time. It's that he doesn't do 395 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: a leap of faith. He doesn't act like that. That 396 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: he doesn't jump in on a leap of faith. He 397 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: doesn't know. 398 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: But I respect ever getting married. 399 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: Excuse you respect that? 400 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: Respect what that he doesn't jump in and fake the 401 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: love of you. 402 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: No, I'm saying he won't faith. I respect that. 403 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 3: But you can't read him. You don't know. Do you 404 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: like me? Am I wasting my time? You got to 405 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: give me something he did. 406 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: I found difficult in the whole season was okay, maybe 407 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: you do feel a spark for him. Somebody's got to 408 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: give you some feedback to have these feelings to go 409 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: with something like these two are at the end? 410 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: They Where was that? 411 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: When did they feel like he was very interested in them? 412 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: I missed it, so did I. I don't disagree with you. 413 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Susan is he has made his intentions clear. 414 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe when he kissed Cindy, Maybe when he kissed Peg, 415 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: maybe that was a you know, tongue down the throat 416 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: kind of Wow, he must really like me because he's 417 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: good and and and women can fall fast. We all 418 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: know that. But for the first time in this episode, 419 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, we have been being hit over 420 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: the head with this hammer of mel not wanting to commit, 421 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: saying he's not committing. It's a process. I like you 422 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: a lot, but I want to see down. But the 423 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: will might be to get to know you better. In 424 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 2: his mind, the way is not to get engaged or 425 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: not to say I love you. I don't know, we 426 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: don't know what happens yet, but I. 427 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: Think he just wants to take well whoever he picks 428 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: the next step and you start dating and let's see 429 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: if love develops for him. Yeah, you know it doesn't 430 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: come easily and freely. 431 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: Can I tell you the show? The show you and 432 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: I could write he doesn't choose either one, and he 433 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: dates them both to see which one he falls in 434 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: love with. It's like a year from now, we have a. 435 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: Wo would you accept that if you were that one 436 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: of them? Would you accept he's going to date both 437 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: of us after the show? 438 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: Hell, no, yeah me? Are you asking what I would 439 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: do if I if I understood who he was and 440 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: I thought that given enough time, he would fall in 441 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: love with me because I'm self confident, but I understand 442 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: his process is different. Yeah, I probably. 443 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: Will you let him date me? Okay, so it's me 444 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: and you at the end. Oh, there is not a 445 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: chance in hell you would go for that. You're so 446 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: fullish right now? 447 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: No way, no, I think if nobody wait a minute, 448 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 2: if he said, and you and I are really good friends, 449 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: so that's a whole different thing. 450 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 3: Not me, just somebody else will If he if. 451 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: He said to me, listen, I want to date you, 452 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: and I want to date you know Sally, so you know, 453 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't know Sally is some of the woman and 454 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: I would have a few parameters around it. Mine would 455 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: be listen, I only have sex with men that I'm 456 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: in a relationship with, and so you do so for me, 457 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: there would be oh, you can touch all the parts 458 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: of my body, but. 459 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: You're just okay with him. I'm going to date both 460 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 3: of you. 461 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: If I thought, I don't believe that, Susan, listen, if 462 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: I thought he is my man, I love this man, 463 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: and it's just taking him longer to round third base 464 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: and get to home base. He's you know, I hit 465 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: a home run the first time I met that guy. 466 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: I fell in love. I'm sitting on home plate waiting 467 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: for this guy to run the bases, right. I'm saying 468 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: to you, if I were that in love with him, 469 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: as Cindy says she is, I would. I would. I'm 470 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: just telling you I would entertain it. I don't know. 471 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: I'm not in this situation, but I would entertain the idea. 472 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: But I think that. 473 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: I can't say that I would. 474 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: Okay, so what did you think? We got to talk 475 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: about that, Okay, what did What did you think about 476 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: the dinner? Because I'll tell you I was sitting on 477 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: the edge of my seat. 478 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: With uncomfortable, uncomfortable the one with Cindy, and you know what, 479 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: I started to feel, Oh, boy, she's going to leave. 480 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: I know it. She's not feeling anything. 481 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: Well, I thought, you like, maybe she's just going to 482 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: tell him forget it. Like her, she was kept keeping 483 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: her composure. She's such a fine woman. I really really 484 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: admire Cindy and I like her. But I saw her face, 485 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: her emotion was all over her face, and she's like, 486 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: I'm barking up an empty tree. 487 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: Here, like, what's going on? 488 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: I think Cindy has talked, you know, on the episodes 489 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: about you know, giving him grace and yes under dada 490 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: da da day, and I think that Cindy, I mean, 491 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm putting words in her mouth, not 492 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: trying to. I felt horror struck. I felt like, oh 493 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: my god, is we don't know? Of course, thank God 494 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: for cliffhangers. I'm thinking, is he going to send her home? 495 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: Are they even gonna have now? The the the promos 496 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: for next week suggests there is as there she's there, 497 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: that there is a but I found myself thinking, is 498 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: he going to say to her, You've I was waiting 499 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: for it to happen. You've pushed me too far. I 500 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: can't give you what I want, what you want, and 501 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: therefore we're not a good match, so you know, bye bye. 502 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: Opposite, I thought she was going to say, you're not 503 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: giving me anything. I'm leaving, like, but that's all I 504 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: could think of. She was so empty there. I felt 505 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: so bad for her. 506 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: Well, I felt terrible for her, but I felt like 507 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: the world was closing in on her. I did. I 508 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: felt like the world was closing in. But I think 509 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: both of these women are lovely, hopeful women, and they've 510 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: come this far in the process. I would I would 511 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: find it difficult to believe that either one would not 512 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 2: go through the process. That's me, I would know. 513 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: Because that's you know, you got to wait to the end. 514 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: You never know that don't say what he's thinking. 515 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: That's friend him, So I I would not. I could 516 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: slim put it this way. I could imagine Mel sending 517 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: her home because he clearly sees what she wants and 518 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: he clearly says he can't give it. I could see 519 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 2: him sending her home before I could see her leaving 520 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: because she's invested so much. Can I put you on 521 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: the spot in this episode? In this episode, who do 522 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: you think he likes more? And you can't say both? 523 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: None of your answers both, because I. 524 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: Think he has more fun with Peg, but he likes 525 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: the depth of Cindy, but I don't he's not ready 526 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: for all that depth. 527 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: So I would think Peg because of the fun. 528 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: So I think I agree with what you said. Peg 529 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: is fun, more fun in that way, you know, laugh 530 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: a minute. But if you watch him. He looked more 531 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: comfortable with Cindy. He's smiling at her a lot. 532 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: Because she wasn't scaring the day out of him going 533 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: ninety miles. 534 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, then that's why I think Cindy would be the pick. 535 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: Exactly what you're saying for exactly that that he seems 536 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: more at ease, more at peace, calmer, more trusting. Where 537 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: he seems in awe of pet that just came to me. 538 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: He seems more like trusting, more calm, calm. 539 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: With with Cydney with a peg gets more in awe, like, oh, 540 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: what's she going to do next? Wow, she's a ball 541 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: of energy, which is great, But that's why I. 542 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: Seed somebody to bring that out in him. With Cindy, 543 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: he is calm, but like their date was calm, the 544 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: other date wasn't calm. 545 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: The Stingray date was calm. 546 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: That was like an easy and it was quiet. 547 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: And the. 548 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Breakdown, he wanted nothing to do with this sting Ray. 549 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: She finally got him to at least touch it, but 550 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: it's not his game. So I'm thinking, well, why wouldn't 551 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: they talk about that? Like, if it's something he's not 552 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: going to be involved in, maybe we could have picked 553 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: something else, Yeah, jumped down the waterfalls or something. 554 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: Well, he probably wouldn't do that either. 555 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: He folks so uncomfortable and she was all about it, and. 556 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: She looked uncomfortable with the fish yesh with her. No, 557 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. I'm just trying to guess you. 558 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: You know, come on, we got to make a guess 559 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: at who he ends. 560 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: Up with, Peg or nobody. 561 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: And you say Peg because he has more fun with her. 562 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: I think she brings life back into him. 563 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: Yes, he's not the hopeless romantic and it's all about 564 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: love like Cindy's like me, I am a help hopeful romantic, 565 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: but it's all about love and depth and oh I 566 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: just want to squeeze you. 567 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: But he said he had that with his wife, So 568 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: you don't think he wants that. I'm anymore. 569 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that he doesn't want it, but I 570 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: know that he's not ready for it. 571 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: He's not there yet. 572 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: Okay. I agree with you on all that I agree with. 573 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: And I think Peg just excites him and he gets 574 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: a kick out of her. And you know, some guys 575 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: like the woman to shine and the woman like you 576 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: were saying in your marriage, some men, do you enjoy 577 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: other men find that. 578 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: Okay, can I say one more thing here? I do 579 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: you remember when the roast ceremony with Debbie, Cindy and Peg. Yes, 580 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: and you remember he smell stood there and he said, 581 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: all three of you deserve ros. What did I say 582 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: to you, either on camera off camera? I said, he'd 583 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: like to take bits and pieces of all three of them. 584 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: He'd like to meld those three women into one. Now 585 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: you know what, I think. I'm convinced more than ever 586 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: he would. That's why it's hard to pick one. I'm 587 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: with you. He could go either way, Peg for fun, 588 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But I think if he, if he could, 589 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: if he could magically do it, he would take pieces 590 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: of Cindy and pieces of Peg and meld them into 591 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: one in his mind, perfect woman. 592 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: I wish we could do that with several people we've known. 593 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not even a thing, But it's not. 594 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: But it just makes me think that if he gets engaged, 595 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: it's got to be a different kind of engagement, because 596 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: you if you get down on one knee and you 597 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: say to Peg or Cindy, you know, I want to 598 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: spend the rest of my life with you. Hell he 599 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: can't even say that he loves him, So how is that. 600 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: Going to I want to continue to date you. 601 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: Now, that's not engagement, Susan. 602 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: No, it's not. That is not in your case. 603 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: Maybe he's going to date both of them, and Kathy 604 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: will be okay with that, and I will chime in 605 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: every week. 606 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 2: You know what else is gonna happen, Susan. He's going 607 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: to date both of them, and two company and three's 608 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: a crowd. I'm gonna be the crowd. I'm going to 609 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: maybe they'll. 610 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: Call Debbie and maybe she should come back and date 611 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: them to. 612 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: No. 613 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 3: I just I can't wait for next week? 614 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: Can it's the finale. It's going so quickly and yet 615 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: not quickly enough. 616 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: I know, it really did go fast. 617 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what, that was a lot 618 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: of fun to I can't wait till our next talk 619 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: because it's going to be a two hour show. 620 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: We might need a two hour podcast for that one. 621 00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: You know. 622 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: I can't and I cannot wait to see how that 623 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: cliffhanger ends. I knew they were going to do it. 624 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: I was watching the clock, going, oh, we're not going 625 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: to find out. 626 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 3: I know. 627 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: I hate when they do that, Okay, well, say thank 628 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: you everybody, all of you listeners. 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