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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, Today is the day we are diving

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Speaker 1: World of message boards. My friend, welcome back. Are thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. I am good, ty, I was

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Speaker 1: It's strong, the community is as weird as ever, it

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Speaker 2: We have done this episode a couple times over. Now,

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Speaker 2: Yes, in my opinion, Dan, Okay, so listen, I have

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Speaker 2: actually seen this post at a bunch of places. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So this is a last one of those message board

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Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, all that realistic. Yeah, a lot of vibes

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Speaker 2: Baylor's in the Big twelve van, He's in the SEC

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Speaker 1: They're in right, they're in the in the SCC in

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Speaker 2: That is a lot of potatoes. Fifty five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Cody Campbell, Cody Campbell, Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: Dan, have you ever been to Scoop Duck? I can't

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Speaker 2: Blazon oh three? Title full disclosure? Did you say blazon ovary? No?

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Speaker 2: The recruiting industry needs to demand full transparency. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: Dan Full disclosure is the title of this posting from

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Speaker 2: Blazon Oh three zero.

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Speaker 1: Three, what's the full DISCLOSEE? What is he or she disclosing? Though? Oh,

436
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Speaker 1: he's asking for full disclosure of every single detail with

437
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Speaker 1: relation to a recruits offer and anil batanil she. Everything

438
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Speaker 1: needs to be out in the open, I believe so.

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Speaker 2: So it is not at the point yet like the

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Speaker 2: NFL where all of these contracts are public and you

441
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Speaker 2: know who's getting paid what. One of the reasons they

442
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Speaker 2: do that is because there is an enforceable salary cap

443
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Speaker 2: and we know who is being paid what. It makes

444
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Speaker 2: for interesting armchair analysis, especially in the offseason. We don't

445
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Speaker 2: have that in college football. This stuff's private, at least

446
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Speaker 2: for now. I would be a liar if I said

447
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Speaker 2: I knew the specifics of the house settlement that I

448
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: don't know how much of this can be made public,

449
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Speaker 2: if at all, if there is really a pathway to that.

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Speaker 2: Many of the deals that we have seen in the

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Speaker 2: nl front have all been private.

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Speaker 1: So far.

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Speaker 2: It's been this big kloak and dagger thing. Pete Nakos

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Speaker 2: has done a really good job trying to get to

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Speaker 2: the bottom of what some of these offers have looked

456
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Speaker 2: like I know many others out there. Ex Olsen has

457
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Speaker 2: talked a little bit about out of free ESPN, but

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Speaker 2: it's still very cloak and dagger. I would love to

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Speaker 2: know it, but my hunch is that the people doing

460
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Speaker 2: the reporting aren't in a position to actually divulge these

461
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Speaker 2: secrets because they don't want to burn their sources either. Sure,

462
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Speaker 2: so we're at a bit of an impasse. I definitely

463
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Speaker 2: appreciate the spirit of this post, though, and I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily disagree.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Is it so crazy to

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Speaker 1: say that two four seven on three, whoever ESPN's recruiting outfit,

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Speaker 1: that they demand each team employ a full time investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Is that too much to ask that the University of

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Speaker 1: Arizona's on three site employ a full time investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: who tracks every actually committable offer, every single nil conversation,

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Speaker 1: and immediately publicizes it for the low price of like

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Speaker 1: two dollars a month that people got a deal on

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Speaker 1: on three to get do we think that is a

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Speaker 1: financially viable strategy, because that's what essentially we're asking to

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Speaker 1: track down every offer to understand the validity of it

476
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Speaker 1: to speak to the coaches, to speak to the family,

477
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Speaker 1: to speak to agents or lawyers and get the actual

478
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Speaker 1: nil number for every school. I think it's a worthwhile pursuit.

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Speaker 1: All of these companies will go out of business, but

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Speaker 1: it's a worthwhile pursuit.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate the idea behind this, though, because recruiting

482
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Speaker 2: has gotten a lot more complicated. You know, you see

483
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Speaker 2: these crystal Ball postings. Oftentimes they're right. These guys are

484
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Speaker 2: experts at what they do. They've got the sources that

485
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Speaker 2: kind of fill them in as to what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But I suspect that as the money really ramps up,

487
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Speaker 2: we will see more of the was it Jackson can't

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Speaker 2: Well type stories floating around out there where. Sure, yes,

489
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Speaker 2: it seems as though there might be a front runner,

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Speaker 2: George Dogs, but in reality, there are greater factors at play.

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Speaker 2: That's how he ends up in Miami. Now, he may

492
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Speaker 2: claim money wasn't the issue, but money was definitely a

493
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Speaker 2: big part of the equation there that brought him to

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Speaker 2: Coral Gables.

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Speaker 1: Do we think that the crystal Ball winner on three

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Speaker 1: has one as well? It's like an RPM. I think

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Speaker 1: something there's like a strength factor. I don't know. Do

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Speaker 1: we think there's an annual winner that is like handed

499
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Speaker 1: the keys to a Cadillac a la Glengarry glen Ross.

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Speaker 1: Do we think like there is a crystal ball, like like,

501
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Speaker 1: is there a crystal ball for the crystal ball Champion?

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00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: How about that gets super meta with it.

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Speaker 2: Sort of like the Director's Trophy. Yeah, the Best Athletic Department.

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Speaker 1: Yes, is there some sort of two four seven banquet

505
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Speaker 1: at the end of the year in which whoever is that?

506
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Speaker 1: Where I see these names and I get them all

507
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: mixed up? Is Tomlly? Is he two four to seven

508
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Speaker 1: or is he on?

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Speaker 2: I believe he's still thinking for Steve Wiltfong, Steve Wiltfong

510
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: moved over to on move to That was an earth

511
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Speaker 2: shattering move Tie. It was a pong bong, a pong bomb,

512
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Speaker 2: excuse me, not bong, that's different, right, fong bomb of

513
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Speaker 2: own of its own merit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, So all of these names have come

515
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Speaker 1: across my eyeballs over the years. But yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: love to know if there is there a bonus involved,

517
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Speaker 1: Is there a banquet? Is there some sort of cash

518
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Speaker 1: prize involved in the crystal ball Champion?

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Speaker 2: Get on the horn? And message Brandon and find out

520
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: what the incentives are for getting those predictions correct, because

521
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, like if you've read any college football preview

522
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Speaker 2: publications over the last twenty years, Phil Steele has made

523
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Speaker 2: it a habit to talk about in the first like

524
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Speaker 2: eight lines of any preview how accurate he's been over

525
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Speaker 2: the last decade. There is definitely a premium every fantasy

526
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Speaker 2: football site, fantasy sports site does it. They all are

527
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: trading on their accuracy, and so I'd be curious to

528
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: know is there any accountability after the fact for people

529
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Speaker 2: making these predictions.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like an actual source of contention. The

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Speaker 1: crystal ball in the recruiting world. I have to imagine

532
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Speaker 1: it is that there are like families ask writers to

533
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Speaker 1: hold off that the writer knows that there's going to

534
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Speaker 1: be a commitment there hold off until very late in

535
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Speaker 1: the process, and there's a whole thing. Brandon responded, already,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gold watch gift card to the Jelly of

537
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: the Month club. It doesn't sound like there's an actual bonus.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So maybe the real post here out on Scoop

539
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: Duck should be demanding some accountability or demanding a full

540
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Speaker 2: write up at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: I would like again. I don't know how this will

542
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: ever happen, but my idea for the most successful college

543
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: football podcast of all time is a media member, a coach,

544
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: somebody employed in the industry deciding they're retiring. They're going

545
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to go rent out chairs as a new pursuit, because

546
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: that's if you want to make money, rent out chairs,

547
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: and they start a new show and it's just called

548
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: Burning Bridges and it's just every single story they have

549
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: because they've decided and you know, we've had it kind

550
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: of with disenfranchised coaches starting things up, but I don't

551
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: know if the likability is there, but I want some

552
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: sort of official Burning Bridges podcast. We're like, yeah, this

553
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: is this is what happened with this guy's recruitment and

554
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: you want to hear something crazy about this coach. Here's

555
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, and somebody just has nothing. Maybe it's

556
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: somebody is about to get dark tie and I apologize

557
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: terminally ill.

558
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this is like a deathbed confession podcast.

559
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Speaker 1: Right, That's what I'm looking for. Go over to Vandy

560
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: two four seven. If we can't, yeah, please handle here

561
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: is Vandy nutt Okay, is it possible our players are

562
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: too smart. I hear that too many kids on the

563
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Dean's List, too many thinking kids that get bad stuff

564
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: in their head and actually think about it. That's the

565
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: end of the post. That's the end of the post.

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Speaker 1: So is it possible that kids attending an elite institution

567
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: like Vanderbilt to both learn and play football are learning

568
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: too much and it's getting in the way of their

569
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Speaker 1: football the ceball hit ball carrier mentality. Maybe here's why

570
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this post validity. Okay, the more

571
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: you're stressed out about other things, the more difficult it

572
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: is to do what you're trying to do. Whatever that

573
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: is correct. If you're trying to produce and host and

574
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: edit a quality podcast about message board weirdos, but you've

575
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: got sick dogs, a wife who's angry at you, your

576
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: house is crumbling, your lawn is out of control, you

577
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: think that there are ostriches eating away at your fence.

578
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: You keep hearing helicopters at night. You're not going to

579
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: do your best job. And so what I'm saying here

580
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: is if we have players who decided to enter or

581
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Speaker 1: excuse me, to enroll at Vanderbilt and to accept a

582
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: scholarship offer to play at Vanderbilt who are also super

583
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: interested in becoming pediatrists or architects or nineteenth century English

584
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: scholars or want to be someday become a curator for

585
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Speaker 1: Victorian art at a French museum. And they're putting in

586
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: the work the unseen hours that they're grinding to sort

587
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Speaker 1: of play football at a high sec level. Beat Alabama again,

588
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: but also, you know, really thinking thoughtful things about man

589
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: a or something. I could see it. That's a lot

590
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Speaker 1: to juggle.

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00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: Let me widen the aperture a little bit on this.

592
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: This is a similar not the same, but similar post

593
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Speaker 2: on UGU.

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Speaker 1: What is your big interest in space? What was it

595
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: my big interest? Yeah, it was dark matter. What is

596
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: it that you like, are fascinated by in space? There's

597
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: some I forget what it is dark matter? It's probably

598
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: not dark matter. No, I didn't see it. So weren't

599
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: you at some point very interested in something that occurs

600
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: allegedly hypothetically in space that could be used as a

601
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Speaker 1: fuel of the future.

602
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm always interested in hypothetical propulsion sources exactly. So,

603
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: like you want to talk a little warp drive on

604
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: this podcast, I am down with that.

605
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying if you are Diego Pavia, Yeah,

606
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Speaker 1: and you are attending a class and you just think

607
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: it's a run of the mill class. But at Vanderbilt

608
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: there's going to be some excellent professors, some excellent courses,

609
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: as there are most places. But Diego Pavia, maybe this

610
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: kind of class wasn't offered at New Mexico State, and

611
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden a teacher plants the seed of

612
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Speaker 1: alternate space propulsion in his head the night before the

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Speaker 1: Georgia game. Right, information warfare is what you're describing.

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Speaker 2: It's a distraction, TI, It's a distraction. Academics are a

615
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: distraction from UGA sports. Yeah, We've got a post here

616
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Speaker 2: that says I blame some, not all. I don't know

617
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Speaker 2: what we are casting blame for here, again taking a

618
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Speaker 2: little bit out of context.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, I.

620
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Speaker 2: Blame some, not all, on the out of state acceptance rate.

621
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Speaker 2: The average Georgia fan now is some brainiac from New Jersey.

622
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Speaker 2: You scored a fourteen ninety on their SAT. Has that

623
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Speaker 2: E are that afraid that some brainiac from New Jersey

624
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: continues might be a first At most other SEC schools,

625
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: the average rabid fan college student can still enroll. Other

626
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: schools have a brotherhood and a fan base that Georgia

627
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: does not. Georgia does have great fans, just not as

628
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Speaker 2: great as other places. Oh on a Georgia message board

629
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Speaker 2: in a list, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I would, I would imagine every major place.

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Speaker 2: So the first was our players are too smart. Now

632
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Speaker 2: it's our fans are too smart.

633
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Speaker 1: Dan, Right, Well, it's not only the fans are too smart,

634
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Speaker 1: it's I actually understand, I think the energy behind this

635
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Speaker 1: a little bit.

636
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Speaker 2: It's our alumpni are too smart. Well, I don't I

637
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm getting this.

638
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Speaker 1: If you were to grow up in New Jersey, and

639
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Speaker 1: your line of thinking is I, of course am a

640
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Speaker 1: brainiac from Marlborough whatever, New Jersey, right, Montclair, New Jersey. Right,

641
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: You're from a township, sure, And on TV you see Georgia, right,

642
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: you see this stadium and the hedges and the tradition

643
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and the warmth and the frenzied nature of SEC football,

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00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'll do respect to Rutgers, all due

645
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: respect to seedon Hall basketball, but I can't get that here.

646
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Georgia. I want to go

647
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Speaker 1: to Texas. I want to go to Alabama, which, of

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Speaker 1: course all of these places being on network TV, having

649
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: these excellent programs, these big personalities, these NFL draft picks. Well,

650
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: we talk about this. It's a marketing thing, right, that

651
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: the applications are up, that you know, the idea that

652
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: all these universities are getting so much free marketing by

653
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: being on huge TV so often is very real. And

654
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: schools charge more for out of state tuition. So I

655
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: understand the fear that if Georgia becomes delocalized, that it's

656
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: so many more kids who are not from Georgia or

657
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: not from surrounding states or something that they're not going

658
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: to understand and they're not going to live and die

659
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: with Georgia football. That they didn't grow up a Dog fan,

660
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: that they didn't grow up with the traditions or you know,

661
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: staying up nights wondering about David Green's weird throws in

662
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: the two thousands, that they're not going to be a

663
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: value add to the in game experience or the experience

664
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: of being in the Georgia community, like somebody who was

665
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: no longer a brotherhood, born and bred a Georgia fan.

666
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: I understand it. I don't see a huge amount of

667
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: value in it, but I get it.

668
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: Counterpoint. Yeah, one member of the broadcasting duo grew up,

669
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: I would say, a brainiac enough in southern California. Oh me, okay,

670
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: took his talents to Eugene, Oregon. Yeah, and is now

671
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: a much sought after member of the Oregon fan base.

672
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, am I okay.

673
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. You're more sought after

674
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: an Oregon fan than I am. That's I guess so.

675
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: And you're from mom State. You grew up a Florida

676
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: State fan. You love Peter Warwick.

677
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. I arguably went to Oregon because I saw one

678
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: of the coolest hats at a Nike factory outlet. It

679
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: was a fuzzy uo. It's behind me, or you can

680
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: if you're watching on YouTube, it's right above you see

681
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: ty you look at the it. I was like, this

682
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: is a dope hat. I might attend that university someday.

683
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: You went to Oregon for the hat? So No, I

684
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't go to Oregon for the hat. I visited. I

685
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: really liked it. I liked the journalism school. I just

686
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: enjoyed the vibe. There are a ton of California. People

687
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: who go to Oregon. They used to sell shirts that

688
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: say the University of California at Eugene. So I don't

689
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: feel like I was an outsider at all. I knew

690
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: a ton of people from California when I went to Oregon,

691
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe that has weakened Oregon that

692
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: it's not as local the.

693
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: Distance from I don't know why I'm using Montclair, New Jersey.

694
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: The distance from Montclair, New Jersey to Athens, Georgia is

695
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: strikingly similar to that from la up to Eugene, Oregon.

696
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I just don't think Traditionally. I think in

697
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: the last few years it's been the case that a

698
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: lot of people from more northern states are heading south

699
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: because of what is viewed at as a more fun experience,

700
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: warmer climate, you know, big sports success, that kind of thing.

701
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: So I understand the appeal, and when I traveled, I

702
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: would meet you know, a lot of people from the

703
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Northeast going to SEC schools. My brother in law went

704
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: to Texas from the suburbs of Chicago went to Texas,

705
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: and so I get it. A lot of people up

706
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: here are doing that more and more. So I understand

707
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: it from their perspective, and I understand it from the

708
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: locals perspective. But I think if you pulled Alabama fans,

709
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: if you pulled Texas fans, if you pulled Florida fans, whatever,

710
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: all those schools are drawing from all over the place,

711
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: and they'd probably agree with the statement. Being an Alabama

712
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: fan isn't the same as it used to be. Being

713
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: a Georgia fan isn't the same. Being a Florida fan

714
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: isn't the same. Being a Tennessee fan isn't the same

715
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: as it used to be. And so I just think,

716
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, as a sports gets more nationalized, enrollment's going

717
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: to be become more nationalized, and people are able to

718
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: learn more about schools via the Internet than they were

719
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: able to ever before. And so I don't know, it's

720
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: just it's a reality. But I get it. You want

721
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: locals only. You want to be like a surfer in Malibu,

722
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: starting fights like in Johnny Utah all the in God,

723
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: what's the movie point break? You want that locals only

724
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: mentality a little bit, don't hassle me. I'm local.

725
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point, I mean, I don't know if

726
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: I've ever even told the story on the podcast. Okay,

727
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: all these years later, freshman Yurope at Penn State, there

728
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 2: was an internet search about transferring to Florida State. You yeah,

729
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: because of weather, because you're just like, I need a

730
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 2: fresh start in my life.

731
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: I've been in PA this entire time. I saw Jen

732
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: Sturger and her friends on TV the time. Is this

733
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: was before that? Okay, that's probably true. Yeah, I don't

734
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: remember the exact reason why. So a year would have

735
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: this What year was that? This would have been to

736
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: the fall of two thousand and one, Fall of two

737
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: thousand and one, yeah, or no, the fall of the

738
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: Fall of two thousand Actually, so you're a freshman, you're

739
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: a true freshman, true freshman.

740
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fall of two thousand and I don't recall

741
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: exactly why it was.

742
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: You were like, they just lost the national championship to Oklahoma.

743
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm the missing piece. Wasn't that Florida State who lost Oklahoma?

744
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: And Mike Leach Florida State, Yes, did lose to Oklahoma.

745
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: Well it was it was Bob suits Was Leech still

746
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: there or did he leave? Had he already left after

747
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: I think maybe he left after a year.

748
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Was that the Oklahoma drilled him. Didn't they put up

749
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: like fifty five points or something.

750
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think it was like fourteen to six, Oh,

751
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: exact game.

752
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: It was a rock fun You're right, You're right, you're right. Okay, anyway,

753
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: let's talk about Florida State here.

754
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: That would have been the year after I think Florida

755
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: State beat Michael Vick and Virginia Tech. Okay, Yeah, you're relieve.

756
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm getting my time next up.

757
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nole's twenty four to seven has been having a

758
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: bit of a field day here with Mike.

759
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

760
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: So, I mean last season was bad, three to nine.

761
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 2: It was bad season, and so there's that on top

762
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: of it. The recent postings here that were highlighted by

763
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: our friends at boor Geniuses are surrounding losing a recruit

764
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: to Houston.

765
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Is this about the five star quarterback who was going

766
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: to visit Florida State? Again, you didn't have the context here.

767
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: I think it's Kayshawn Keishaan Henderson. I hope I got

768
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: that name right. Five star, local to Houston and was

769
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: going to visit Florida State but then shut down his recruitment.

770
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what it might be in reference to. Yeah,

771
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: but he's been committed to Houston for a while.

772
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: Handle prison, Mike Norvelle. Yeah, I'm convinced we'd finished with

773
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: a better class if we didn't have.

774
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: A head coach. Just fire him now, Oh, I like this.

775
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: Got another one.

776
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 2: Here that says, dig up dirt on norvel and fire

777
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: them for cause that's the quickest way out of this.

778
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: I'd imagine there's been a steady flow of those kinds

779
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: of posts over the last nine months or so, because again,

780
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: last season did not go well. Norvelle, for his part,

781
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: is not a stranger to losing high profile recruits to

782
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: institutions that Florida State fans feel they are maybe superior to,

783
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: i e. Travis Hunter electing to go elsewhere before electing

784
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: to transfer with his head coach over to Colorado. This

785
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: is not a new thing, per se. This is not

786
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: exactly the same. But Mike norvell has been taking some

787
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: arrows here, and you can expect that unless things turn

788
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: around very quickly this season, there's gonna be a lot

789
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: more of this out On Knowle's twenty four to seven

790
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: there was one here from war Chant as well that

791
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: I that I guess what's the name of this poster?

792
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: This one is prison Mike Norvel.

793
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Prison Mike, So in reference to the office, we assume

794
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: like his full username is prison Mike Norvel. That is

795
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: what I am seeing. Yes, Okay. If in the next

796
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: few weeks an incriminating video of some kind appears on

797
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: the Internet featuring Mike Norvel and Mike Norvell is insistent

798
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: that it is a deep fake, prison Mike Norvell is

799
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: has to be considered a suspect. I don't know who

800
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: the first coach to be fired as a result of

801
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: a deep fake will be, but we have something on

802
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: the pseudo record that it's going to be Mike Norvel.

803
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: They're getting very good at it.

804
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: I hate it, Mats, She's problematic so much it is problematic.

805
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So I understand the concern about Mike Norvell. I

806
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: understand why it doesn't seem like things are going to

807
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: get dramatically better quickly for Florida State. Mike Norvell, you

808
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: know what Florida State's ceiling is, and that is an

809
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: absolute playoff caliber team or a four team playoff caliber team,

810
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: let alone twelve sixteen whatever. Yeah, we know Florida State's

811
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: path is going to be easier to get to a

812
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: sixteen team playoff than a lot of teams and big

813
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: ten sec whatever, And so I think the idea is

814
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: sure season was a catastrophe last year, but look at

815
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: these next couple recruiting classes coming in, and if the

816
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: recruiting's not there, how are you going to impress prison

817
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: Mike Norvell? What would be the path for a team

818
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: to go without a head coach? Just like offense handled

819
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: by offensive coordinator, defense handed by defensive coordinator, who's calling

820
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: out timeouts, who's making like executive decisions.

821
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: It worked with Paul Walker in Varsity Blues. Yeah, I

822
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: mean maybe maybe there's just a player who embodies leadership.

823
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it works for it almost works, I would say,

824
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: like it nearly works. It nearly works for Notre Dame

825
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: against MAC teams, nearly. Bit stop it. No, I uh,

826
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I would love for Floria State to do this. I

827
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: don't know who's the next coach, Like when somebody gets

828
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: fired and it happens in March, and it's like it's

829
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: too late to do a job search in earnest, Like

830
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: with the Bobby Patrino thing, it was John L. Smith

831
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: who stepped in. Who is that next? And it was

832
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: Baylor with oh what's his name? The wake coach, the

833
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: longtime weight coach took over at Baylor. F grow, Yes,

834
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: and now we've got Frank Reich at Stanford. Totally forgot

835
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: about that. Who is that next coach who hasn't coached

836
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: in a couple of years? And you know it's Deonnette

837
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Colorado resigns, or it's PJ Fleck at Minnesota resigns, or

838
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: it's whoever just for some reason steps down or is

839
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: fired for cause he's like, well, I guess we're hiring

840
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: mm And then like Steve Mariucci, who is that? She

841
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'll do it. Yeah, I'll take the money.

842
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: How would you got eight hundred k for six months?

843
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's figure it out. Let's figure it out, Indiana,

844
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: Let's figure it out, Michigan. I would love I just

845
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I want to know who, like if nobody is on staff,

846
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: or like the full staff is seen as being problematic,

847
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: who are the first three calls from an currently inactive

848
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: college or NFL head coach who you know has a

849
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: good chance of being like, yeah, man, I'll make sure

850
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: players show up on time. I'll call some parents, I'll

851
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: hire an old buddy to coach linebackers. Who's that list

852
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: for you? I'm putting you on the spot, But who

853
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: is that emergency step in? Well? I mean, I guess

854
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: if you're being thorough, the first that it's not currently

855
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: like an assistant somewhere, like you can call Dana Holgerson,

856
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: but he's got a job.

857
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: If you're being thorough, and if you really want to

858
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: take a swing, the first call is Saban.

859
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's not a step in coach. Well,

860
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: it would be a step in coach, wouldn't it.

861
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: No, he's You wouldn't hire Saban for like two million

862
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: dollars to just come and hang out for six months

863
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: and keep it.

864
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: He would dying. I'm saying, somebody who you feel like

865
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: has that itch to coach Washington State football for two

866
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen days, right, I mean, like, it's probably

867
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: a lot like Rick Neuheisel. It's probably not somebody with

868
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: like a big media job at this point. It's probably

869
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: somebody who's getting a little bit sick of spending time

870
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: with their family, spending time on the golf course. Right.

871
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know, I don't I don't know who

872
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: that guy would be.

873
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: Does Paul christ have a job right now. I don't

874
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: think so. I think he's angling for something bigger. He

875
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: did some stuff I think was it with Texas last year?

876
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know. I need to think more about

877
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: that one. You are putting me on the spot.

878
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm putting you on the spot. But like, who are

879
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: like recent NFL coaches who were like did Jacksonville fire

880
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: their coach? The guy who won the Super Bowl?

881
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: Doug p or Son Peterson. So you're basically talking about

882
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: who could we hire in a pinch she's willing to

883
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: take on like a gig, just a gig spot or

884
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: not going to give you a long term contract. You're

885
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: going to be hired for a six month contractor type situation. Yeah,

886
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: and then after that you'll be on your merry way.

887
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll give.

888
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: You some input into the next coach, but otherwise, no,

889
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: you're you're just coming in. You're going to be a

890
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: full on stand in here, a substitute teacher.

891
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at the names of twenty fourteen head coaches,

892
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, Jeff Fish, Lovey Smith.

893
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: Do you remember what Jeff Fisher was rumored for every job?

894
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: Of course, it was like its own meme.

895
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Rutgers. Rutgers needs a new coach and they're

896
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: hiring Jay Gruden. Right, I want to know the a

897
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: of the world. I want to know their first three.

898
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: Oh crap, it's late June. We need a warm body,

899
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: we need a grown up, and we don't like our

900
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: interim options internally, we're hiring blohbdy blah. You know that's

901
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: what I want to know.

902
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: Some boisterous commentator. Isn't that how Herm Edwards got hired

903
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: in the first place?

904
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: Uh problem, I mean he was. He stayed public. Like

905
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: they're hiring Mark Trestman. He's apparently a senior offensive assistant

906
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: for the Chargers right now, somebody who went to high school.

907
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, Mark Tressman, Toronto Argonaut's seventeen eighteen Tampa Bay

908
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Vipers head coach and gm LA Chargers senior offensive assistant.

909
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: At the moment, the Frank Reik one got me thinking, Ty,

910
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: that's all, let's close this content, this contest.

911
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: Let's close this episode out by pushing on one of

912
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: the big pressure points right now in the sport. So

913
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm guessing you saw the news that there was this

914
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: this hearing, this negotiation, negotiation, this.

915
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: Negotiations.

916
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: This mediation between Michigan and the NCAA and Connor Stallions

917
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: showed up. I did see that Connor Stallions was there.

918
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: It was sort of a surprise that Connor Stallions would

919
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: be there at all. Perhaps indicates that Michigan and Stallions

920
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: were a little bit more cooperative with the investigators than

921
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: initially thought. Not going to read any tea leaves, not

922
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: going to try and project what that means for any

923
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: forthcoming infractions or you know, not in fractions whatever. I

924
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: don't know, but this is a story that came out over.

925
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: The last few days.

926
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: As you might expect, the folks over on MG blog,

927
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: the folks out on buck Nuts, two sides of that rivalry,

928
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: have been going nuts about this for years now on end. Okay,

929
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: so we've got one here that says this is out

930
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: an m GO blog, Charlotte Blue. If knowing every play

931
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: pre snap is such an advantage, how did the opposing

932
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: teams ever even score any points?

933
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: Fair question? Fair question? True, Yeah, fair question.

934
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: Somebody else on the Wolverine, which is a different Michigan site,

935
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: TN Wolverine, I'm guessing ten.

936
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: Is Tennessee.

937
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: Talking more specifically about Connor Stallions. I've watched every interview

938
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 2: he's done. He's such an interesting and intelligent guy. I'd

939
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: welcome him back.

940
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, yeah, I need to see that manifesto though it.

941
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: Might be a little weird, right, But I have also

942
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: found him very engaging. I've been following some of his

943
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: commentary in Connor Stallions.

944
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what is the engaging commentary?

945
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: He is thoughtful, I'll give him that. He's tactful, albeit

946
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit weird. Right, if you're doing the

947
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: manifesto thing, if you're selling the refrigerators out of the like,

948
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: there's a whole like conversation there.

949
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: Bye, But yeah, I don't disagree with the poster. Yeah.

950
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: The flip side of this is from buck Nuts Bucklehollick,

951
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: who just a few days ago we're recording this on

952
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 2: the tenth. This was eight fifty nine am June eighth,

953
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: which I believe would be Sunday morning, a shade before

954
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: nine o'clock, saying that there is a fork in the road.

955
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: If the NCAA doesn't provide the most serious punishment in

956
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: college football history here, the entire nation will go rogan lawless.

957
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: This is a critical Yeah, this is it just says

958
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: this is a critical I'm assuming he meant moment for

959
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: the future of college football dance. So we still have

960
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: this going on. At some point. I think in the

961
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: next few months we're going to get closure on the

962
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: whole Connor Stallion's investigation of what it means for Michigan.

963
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: We do know that Charyl Morris self suspended.

964
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: Yes there have been there there's a self suspension I

965
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: believe for weeks three and four of the college football

966
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 2: season about Cherry Pick, but nonetheless going to be paying

967
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: the piper and preemptively suspending himself. There's suspend preemptively suspending

968
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: him for any sort of role in this whole ordeal.

969
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: What would you be posting, I think is the better question.

970
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: As an Ohio State fan or as a Michigan fan.

971
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: As both we know you've got deep ties down into

972
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: the Michigan universe.

973
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's me.

974
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: What would you be posting about this if you were

975
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: out on a message board.

976
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: If I were an Ohio State fan and this was

977
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: all going on, I think I would be I would

978
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: try to be the poster who would say something like, guys,

979
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: we just won a national championship. It was so cool.

980
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about Jeremiah Smith some more?

981
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: Loss to Michigan, lost to Michigan, Michigan, we want stuck

982
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: in the craw We blew out a bunch of teams

983
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: and had like this incredible play deep to Jeremiah.

984
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: Smith to is it against Notre Dame, you know, a

985
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: team we recruit, against a team that's in our region.

986
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, we got revenge on Oregon. Like, it's a

987
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: pretty good time. It's a pretty good time. It seems

988
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: like Juliansaane is well regarded. You have Patricia calling the defense.

989
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: So I don't I like, I'm not sick of this story.

990
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: But if I were Ohio State, I would try to

991
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: get over it. I just don't think that's realistic.

992
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: I know it's not. There's no way that's realistic. You

993
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: can't tell Ohio State people to get over this. You

994
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: can't tell Michigan people to get over this.

995
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: I know. But here's the problem. They lost without stallions

996
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: this year. They did, so that takes and like they

997
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: lost to the worst Michigan team of the modern era,

998
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, non twenty twenty. I don't know, man, from

999
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: the Michigan perspective, I would just I would soak in

1000
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: this happiness Chacuzzie that it's getting under the craw to

1001
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: getting under the skin of Ohio State fans all the time. Yeah,

1002
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: life is good if you're a Michigan fan. I think

1003
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: life's pretty good. A great quarterback coming in.

1004
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: Hopefully there is something that's still haunts me, and that

1005
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: is when we did our live stream right after Michigan

1006
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: beat Washington for the title. Yeah, I think it was

1007
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: eleven minutes into that episode. I went off on a

1008
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: bit of a tangent bringing up this controversy. Yeah, okay,

1009
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: bringing up this controversy as sort of the backdrop for

1010
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: the season, which it was totally In hindsight, I wish

1011
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: I had maybe been a little.

1012
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: Bit more.

1013
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: What's the way I want to phrase this artful? Yeah,

1014
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: I wish I hadn't made it why it's your show?

1015
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: That was what's on your mind? I wish I hadn't

1016
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: gone out and made it such an emphasis, such an emphasis.

1017
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: It was what a lot of people had sent in

1018
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: and I definitely was the backdrop, but there were a

1019
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: lot of Michigan people who also chimed in, saying, why

1020
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: do you have to throw cold water on the national

1021
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: Championship eleven minutes into the episode.

1022
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: They did on the actual broadcast too.

1023
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: They did in the broadcast, but were not the actual broadcast.

1024
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: And I do regret that I did that. I think

1025
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 2: I apologized to some I don't.

1026
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: Know you were being honest, that was on your mind,

1027
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: It was on my men watch along. If you were

1028
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: watching it with me and we were on the couch,

1029
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: we would talk about it.

1030
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: We are all about good vibes here. And I don't

1031
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: want to be a negative Nancy.

1032
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: It's not negative. You just would you spit facts. I

1033
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: do spit facts.

1034
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: It was something that was very much, I think, a

1035
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: talking point going into that game and all throughout that season.

1036
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have any regret.

1037
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: I do have a little bit of regret forget nothing.

1038
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm being honest with you were different guys here that's

1039
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: are worthless. But that being said, I still I still

1040
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: for as much as I am not one to clutch

1041
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: pearls over any specific rule in college football at this point. Yeah, okay,

1042
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: how could they not be penalized for this? Oh?

1043
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: I agree?

1044
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: And the thing that I think, how could they not?

1045
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: I understand that maybe there's a little bit of a

1046
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: wolf thing going on. I understand that the impact that

1047
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: this may have on the product, right may be minimized.

1048
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: I get all that.

1049
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how this can't be penalized to

1050
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: some degree, not saying give them the death penalty, right,

1051
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: saying take away the title. I don't even know if

1052
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: they can take away the title. It's like its own

1053
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: separate thing.

1054
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: But there has to be something for this, right Well,

1055
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: that the thing that hurts everything is how long it's taken.

1056
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but that's but that's also been the

1057
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: NCAASMO forever.

1058
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: Right, So that's what I'm saying is like, you're just

1059
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: ever you're going to lose the court of public opinion

1060
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: by dragging it out over a couple of years that

1061
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: people are just gonna care less that you know, Jim

1062
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: Harbaugh is not the current coach, that Stallions is gone.

1063
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: That it's just like it's a different look program right now,

1064
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: even though there's like the shrow and more thing with

1065
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: the leading texts, and I just I want a comprehensive

1066
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: summary of the investigation before I weigh in. That's all

1067
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: I want. I would like that too.

1068
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: I would like that too, because all we know, right,

1069
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: now is what's been published publicly from reporters who have

1070
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: been chasing down this story for two years now. Connor

1071
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: Stallions has been mum, he has not sett a whole

1072
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: lot on it. He doesn't really have to say. This

1073
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: is not a legal matter, right. This is a private matter, right,

1074
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: and it is very much shielded from public view to

1075
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: the extent that you know, the NCAA and Michigan and

1076
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: all the involved parties will allow.

1077
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: It's also not hacking, right, It's not Connor Stallion's bugging right,

1078
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Northwestern's defensive meeting.

1079
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: Illegal in the sense that he's going to go to jail.

1080
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to pay a fine to the hack

1081
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: as a result. Who is the baseball hack? It was

1082
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: the Astros and Cardinals. I want to say, like, it's

1083
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: not that, No, it is not that. This is very

1084
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: much in the spirit of trying to help the team win.

1085
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: Maybe against the rules, okay, but not going to jail

1086
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: for this, right, So yes, I am like, I would

1087
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: like a full comprehensive breakdown, a timeline everything that transpired

1088
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: here before we weigh in. But based on what we know,

1089
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: there at least seems to be some tie in between

1090
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: Connor Stallions and the coaching Stavvy was on the staff, right,

1091
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 2: so something something should happen. I don't know what because

1092
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't know all the details yet, but I uh,

1093
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: I think if I were a Michigan fan, if I

1094
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: were posting on a Michigan board, I would post a

1095
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: lot of what we saw here. And if I were

1096
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: an Oile State fan, I'd post a lot of what

1097
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: we saw there. So I get it from both sides.

1098
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: Of this thing.

1099
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: I'm just very curious to see what the conclusion of

1100
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: this investigation is because I just I maintained for a while,

1101
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: like necessarily rooting for it. I think Michigan's a really

1102
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: interesting story. I think college football is better when Michigan

1103
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: is good, full stop. But I would like for there

1104
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: to be some conclusion to this. And I do think

1105
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: if we're being honest here with the ourselves, there should

1106
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: be some kind of infraction.

1107
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: So I want closure. I just want closure. I just

1108
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: want to know. That's it.

1109
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: Way, It's all. I have solidrable at gmail dot com.

1110
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: If there are any postings out there that we miss

1111
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: that you would like for us to highlight on our

1112
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: next round of message board geniuses it's Oliverblet Gmail dot com,

1113
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: reachhout on social media. Of course, we would love to

1114
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: get your input if the Michigan folks want to chime

1115
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: in and let me know what they think about all this.

1116
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: By the way, you can. It's gotten very personal in

1117
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: the off season. On messageboard geniuses, there are posts about like, hey,

1118
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: which way is everybody's dog hang? One hundred percent accurate?

1119
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: There was a poll, wasn't it? There was a poll?

1120
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: There was something on like I'm kind of bummed them.

1121
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: My wife's not into trying new things and like not

1122
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: even not talking about bedroom, just like I wanted to

1123
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: go for a walk on the beach and she was like, no,

1124
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: why would I do that. It's a long off season.

1125
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: Long off season.

1126
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: It's a long off season is why we need college

1127
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: football back. So we stopped reading posts like that and

1128
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: start reading more about football.

1129
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: Yep.

1130
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: Agree, Go and check out the boor Geniuses site at

1131
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: bor Geniuses on Twitter X. I had a podcast as well.

1132
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 2: They did not know we were doing this. I had

1133
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: every intention of reaching out to them to try and

1134
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 2: get a voice memo recording somebody from that team weighing

1135
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: in dictating their favorite message board post.

1136
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: I did not do that. I was delinquent of my duties.

1137
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: So fair enough it happens.

1138
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: If they would like to send it in, we will

1139
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: include it on our next episode. How about that great Dan.

1140
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: This is fun, it always is. Thank you one and all,

1141
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: Hit follow, hit subscribe or ballers dot com is where

1142
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: you can go for the bonus content for that guy

1143
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, From myself, Tie Hildebrandt,

1144
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: we will talk to you all next week.

1145
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Speaker 1: The meantimes they sell peace