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Speaker 1: Everybody. It's Tuesday, June seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're happy to finally see

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Speaker 1: the sun again. It's me your man, MG, Marcus Grant,

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Speaker 1: joined by Lakwan Jones. No, Michael left Florio. He is.

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Speaker 1: Where is he right now? He's somewhere in like the

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Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was in Canada by now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he's trying to flee

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Speaker 1: the country. I think they're just trying to go to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He's on vacation. He is driving up the West coast,

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Speaker 1: starting in Los Angeles. I think the ultimate destination is

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Speaker 1: in Seattle. Last we heard from him, he was in Portland.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's, you know, being becoming more hipster,

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Speaker 1: getting extra tattoos and piercing's. I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Becoming a forty nine Ers fan nor cow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, actually, if he's going that far north, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's gonna get He's heading deep into Seahawks Country

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Speaker 1: at that point. I would think that Portland is probably

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Speaker 1: Seahawk Country, is what I'm guessing.

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Speaker 2: You know, an of Cooper Cup Jerseys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably Last way, they're probably they probably growing their

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Speaker 1: hair out and they're wearing number ten Jersey miserable in

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Speaker 1: blue and green. They're probably living a pretty happy lie.

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Speaker 1: I don't even been in Portland's a good town. Uh

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Speaker 1: so Seattle, so talk. I read the comments. That's just

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Speaker 1: all I'm putting out there for I read the comments. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we are talking dead zones as we are in the

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Speaker 1: midst of draft season. I'm doing a few I should

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Speaker 1: check and actually, uh, now that I think about it,

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Speaker 1: I think I may actually be on the clock in

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Speaker 1: a drum. I'm not sure to be that guy.

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Speaker 2: MG, it's slow.

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Speaker 1: It's a slow draft. Like it's a slow draft, and

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Speaker 1: I just went on the clock Like it's not like

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Speaker 1: I've been on the clock for hours.

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Speaker 2: I'm that guy tech in OTC right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're that person. Yes, Oh, don't be that person TC.

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Speaker 2: Right now, if you ain't pinted in the train, make the.

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Speaker 1: Pick, don't don't don't be that person that That's a

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Speaker 1: note for all of you. The scott Fish Bowl is coming.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these big uh sweat drafts are coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't be the person who's just all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: like oh TC, as soon as like the person goes

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Speaker 1: that to me, that just makes me want to take longer.

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Speaker 1: That's all right, you know if as soon as it's

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Speaker 1: my time, you're like, OHTC, I'm like, well, now I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just wait a few I'm gonna go have some lunch,

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Speaker 1: watch a movie. Yeah, I'll come back, enjoyed the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll come back and I'll get to it when I

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Speaker 1: get to it now, just because you did that. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: we are talking running back and wide receiver dead zones

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, all that kind of stuff about guys

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Speaker 1: that maybe we like within those dead zone player we're

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Speaker 1: avoiding all that kind of stuff there. So before that,

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Speaker 1: though some news headlines I guess news and rumorrish type

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Speaker 1: doubt that he can shoulder a larger workload. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years he's been splitting that time

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Speaker 3: That may be a question that we will have to

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Speaker 3: be a headache for you know, a lot of fantasy

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Speaker 3: I would approach the guy that's going to give me

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Speaker 3: that'll be Jalen Warren, that he could be the RB

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Speaker 3: to get a piece of this Pittsburgh Steelers backfield. But Marcus,

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Speaker 3: for me, it's like I love to hear that, you know,

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Speaker 3: tomlin Co signed Jalen Warren. They kind of acknowledge his

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Speaker 3: were times where he kind of looked better than Naji

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Speaker 3: But you know, Naji still is a guy that can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think both of them are

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Speaker 1: I have been on the Jalen Warren train in the

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Speaker 1: in practice when you look at it last year, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that that Warren had a huge advantage in

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Speaker 1: even now. Granted, Harris played two more games than Warren did,

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Speaker 1: but Nagi had forty eight targets thirty six catches, Warren

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Speaker 2: This is the statue, Go why Arthur Smith, whyah?

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Speaker 1: Just right?

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Speaker 2: Do it the correct way that those fantasy managers like it, like, right,

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Speaker 2: come on.

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Speaker 1: The correct way is the way we want it. That's

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Speaker 1: the correct way to do it, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: give Nag the carries, give Warren the targets, and then

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Speaker 1: we can all live happily ever after. So simple, you

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Speaker 1: would think, right. So that does make me worry a

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know that that Caleb Johnson comes in

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Speaker 1: I just don't exactly know that that happens, So I

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Speaker 3: I like I honestly, when I hit these drafts and

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Speaker 3: So it's like it's gonna be a rough year man,

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Speaker 1: We can say his name now that he's signed. This

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Speaker 1: is what he wants, this is what he wants. I'm

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Speaker 1: totally fine not saying his name. That's fine by me.

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Speaker 1: The people know, everybody knows, we all know Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: just I don't know, there's nothing about the Steelers offense

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Speaker 1: an article you can find an NFL dot com about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers quarterback situation, pointing out the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that translates. This is a guy

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Speaker 1: offense this year. Meanwhile, over in Buffalo, Keon Coleman had

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Speaker 1: gotta be better, simple as that. You gotta be more

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Speaker 1: You gotta stack your dB. You gotta give Josh more

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Speaker 1: heard that quote, la Quan, well your expectations for Keon

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Speaker 3: So this is a situation where I love the person

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Speaker 3: more than the player, Like I feel like I'm going

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Speaker 3: me just love his character so more so. My expectations

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Speaker 3: for year two is one for him to stay healthy,

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Speaker 3: show up and show out. That's what I like to

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Speaker 3: say for some of these guys that take a leap

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Speaker 3: have that George Pickens type of stretch to field impact.

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Speaker 3: He can have that type of ability to put up

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Speaker 3: some big fantasy points in some big yards. So we're

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Speaker 3: hoping that, you know, in year two, Josh Allen can

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Speaker 3: a Mac Collins or who that was last season. Like

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Speaker 3: that should be keyon Coleman's role, Like we should start

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Speaker 3: looking at him more as a mold, as a George Pickens,

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Speaker 3: rather than trying to make him a Stefan Diggs, trying

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Speaker 3: to make him, you know, these other type of wide

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Speaker 3: ADP isn't expensive. It's not out there where you're going

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Speaker 2: So the self awareness is definitely something you love to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because honestly, we love Josh Allen as

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Speaker 1: It was confusing. But my point though, there's going to

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Speaker 3: My pushback is the lack of chemistry with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, the Cooper Cup and Jared Golf. Breakfast does

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Speaker 1: Else house it works for everybody, right, just like just

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Speaker 3: But I look at Kalos Shakir, like we'll get into

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at the catch trait. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: You got to look at a guy that's getting a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where Josh Allen feels the most comfortable.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't seem like a role that fits for Trey

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Speaker 1: You know. Oh, especially if you believe what Kyler's saying

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Speaker 1: as we are doing drafts, especially if you are doing

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Speaker 3: And I say that because there is scenarios and team

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Speaker 2: You know, Like there's been a lot of team bills

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Speaker 3: It's a wicket out here, like it looks scary, Like

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Speaker 2: Can I take a mullig into my pit? Like can

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Speaker 1: I get that, and I think I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: another guy that we have questions about because the offense

433
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: in the quarterback situation, like what's going on there? I mean,

434
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: I think Bucky Irving is a guy that we're all

435
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: sort of in with. You know, Josh Jacobs obviously had

436
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: a very good year last year, but you know what

437
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: is what's happening with Chase Brown and Cincinnati. You know,

438
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: There's Iron Williams, who we have discussed quite a bit

439
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: on this show. Bryce Hall another one that we have

440
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: major questions about. I mean, I think even James Cook,

441
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: Amari and Hampton I think are guys that we look

442
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: at and we're like, yeah, we see the vision, but

443
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: there are also obstacles potentially to these guys being super

444
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: super productive in fantasy. And so while there's that late

445
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: round kind of mid to late round dead zone. I

446
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: think there's one sort of earlier too, where there are

447
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that just you know, it's like,

448
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: could be great, could be really really frustrating too. Yeah.

449
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: No, I definitely agree, And like in those rounds it

450
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 3: could be scary with some of those names, with Bruce Hall,

451
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: Kivrin Williams, Chase Brown just to name a few, but

452
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 3: like I feel really safe with some of the guys

453
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: like James Cook and Josh Jacobs is wowly, wowly underrated

454
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: right now. I don't understand why he's the RB ten

455
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: right now. He is literally ranked as my RB five

456
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: because I honestly think that people were just not really

457
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: paying attention with the Packers had going on last year

458
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: with that run game. I mean, Marshawn Lloyd, you gout,

459
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 3: he didn't really you know, pan out how we thought.

460
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: He couldn't stay at all.

461
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that too, And it's one of those things where

462
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: I don't look at anybody back there taking those touches

463
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 3: away from HM because Josh Jacobs has put a stamp

464
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 3: that he is a workhorse. So in that dead zone,

465
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: like it's kind of like, let me just pivot to

466
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 3: some of the guys that I don't have that question with.

467
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't have to question about Josh Jacobs who or

468
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: James Cook or anybody else like that in that tier.

469
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: But you made a great point that that dead zone

470
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 3: could come earlier. But you still have options to pivot,

471
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: have options to pivot, you know, to a different position.

472
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 3: If you want to hit quarterback, tight end, wide receiver,

473
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: et cetera, then I would do that, right.

474
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing too, Like with those those running

475
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: backs that I mentioned, some of the other guys available

476
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: in that range, right, brock Bauers, Lad McConkie are in

477
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: that range. If you want to go with a tight

478
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: end early, brock Bauers is there. If you want maybe

479
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: a second wide receiver, Lad McConkie is there. T Higgins

480
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: is hanging around there, right, I mean, Terry McLaurin is

481
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: in that group. Devonte Adams is in that group. I mean,

482
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: so there are other options you mentioned quarterback. This is

483
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: when you're starting to see Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden

484
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Daniels showing up sort of in that the latter part

485
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: of that range too. When you're talking about rounds four

486
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: and five. So yeah, if you don't love the running

487
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: backs in that group, there are plenty of places for

488
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: you to pivot to to find some help for your roster. Know,

489
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: you talked about the guys in rounds like eight through

490
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: eleven or so, I wouldn't put down a list of them,

491
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: and you can sort of pick out the ones that

492
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: catch your eye, either because you really liked them or

493
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: maybe because you really don't. But Brian Robinson, Jordan Mason,

494
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: who I know you're in on a Jalen Warren who

495
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: we just talked about a little bit earlier. I paired

496
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: up the giants backfield of Camp Scataboo and Tyrone Tracy.

497
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: There's Nagie Harris, Travis etn Zach Sharbone and I had

498
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: to throw my dude, Javonte Williams.

499
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: And I'm not say you have.

500
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: A problem, you know, like he was sort of the

501
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: very end of the cut eye. I went through round ten,

502
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 1: so but he was like the very end of round ten. Uh.

503
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: There with Javance makes the dead zone very dark.

504
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: It kind of does, right, It's like I have a

505
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a sadness, a little bit of a

506
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: tear when I see it at the bottom of the

507
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: dead zone there. But but any of those guys that

508
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: you have really strong feelings about one way or another, well.

509
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: I can go on and on about Jordan Mason. We

510
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: already know that that that's my guy that's gonna honestly

511
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: just be without a thought of just picking him. But

512
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: Zack Sharbon, he is a guy that I.

513
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: Feel like still holds some value as a high end

514
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: handcuff back there. So like, if I was in a situation,

515
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: he had to be my RB three. I feel confident

516
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 3: about it because Kenneth Walker right now is dealing with

517
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: a freaking ankle spring injury. And it's not even July yet.

518
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: I mean we already hear Marcus like, come on, because

519
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 3: that's like, come.

520
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: On, I was really about to ask. I was gonna

521
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: ask the question, and you sort of answered it. I'm like,

522
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: is this because you like Zach sharbonnay? Or is it

523
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: because you don't like Kenneth Walker? And I feel like

524
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: we sort of answered that.

525
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: And it's a split thing because Keneth Walker where he's

526
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: going to drafts, I forget excuse me, I think it's

527
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: like the sixth round you take that pick, you're hoping

528
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: that he stays healthy because he can perform. He could

529
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: be productive when he's on the field, but it's just

530
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: we have yet to see him healthy. It's kind of

531
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: like the James Connor story, like I'm not gonna be

532
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: hoping for his downfall this year, but I'm not going

533
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: to go draft him. I'm not going to sit here

534
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: and put myself in that boat again. But Zach Sharpernay,

535
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: in the dead zone, I really feel as though like

536
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: you're getting a guy that is just as explosive, if

537
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: not more than Kenneth Walker, because you look at his

538
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 3: explosive rate last season, it was higher. When you look

539
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: at Zach Charbonay, he can be involved in the passing

540
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: game as well as big as he is, He's very efficient.

541
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: We saw the six point six yards per carry I

542
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 3: believe coming out of college out of us UCLA, and

543
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: that was just pretty amazing to see that he kept

544
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: that same energy as a rookie. So it's like in

545
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: that dead zone you get a guy like Zach Sharpna,

546
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: you could fade the Brian Robson juniors, you could fade

547
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: the Naji Harrises, all these other guys that seem to

548
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: be their RB ones. I'd rather take the upside with

549
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: Zach Sharbonay when I know that his name may be

550
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: called upon and he's going to be able to perform.

551
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny because I that first year I was

552
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: kind of into sharbona because of that pass catching ability. Right.

553
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: He did a lot of that in college. Didn't do

554
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: quite as much that first year. We saw a little

555
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: bit more of it last year. The only thing I

556
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: like about sharbon is that he looked more explosive in

557
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: year two. In year one he looked just kind of

558
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: like a plotter, and I was sort of disappointed by that,

559
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: but he did sort of step it up. I think

560
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: in his second year. You said your way one of

561
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: the fade Najie Harris. The more I look at this,

562
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: the more i'm I'm not saying I'm in on Naji,

563
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: but I just don't think he's gonna go away. No,

564
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, And I think the people who are spending

565
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: a higher draft pick on Omari and Hampton are gonna

566
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: be frustrated at least through the first half of the season,

567
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: maybe longer, just because I don't see a scenario where

568
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman just are handing a huge

569
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: workload to Hampton in year one. Now, if you want

570
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: to talk about year two and beyond, I'm willing to

571
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: entertain that conversation. But in year one, I think Naji

572
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: is still gonna be a presence there, and I think

573
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit like what we saw

574
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: those last couple of years in Pittsburgh where it was

575
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Najie Harris and Jalen Warren, or sort of like what

576
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: we saw with the Chargers several years ago when it

577
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: was Melvin Gordon and Austin Eckler, where I just love

578
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: both these guys, you know, and there's a chance that

579
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: they're both productive. But I don't I think if you're

580
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: drafting Hampton expecting that he is going to sort of

581
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: push Naji Harris aside, I think you're gonna be disappointed.

582
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: And considering what the ADP is for Harris, I'm willing

583
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: to kind of set's a pony up for that as

584
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna be as the guy's gonna be

585
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: like my third running back. I'm fine with doing that.

586
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know what it is.

587
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 3: This is probably the first time in history that the

588
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: handcuff is being drafted before the actual like RB one,

589
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 3: so It's like one of those things like if you

590
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: draft Hampton, you might have to draft Naji just to

591
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: have that safe regard because there's going to be a

592
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: drop off with Naji.

593
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting the cheap ADP. But let's say he

594
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: only plays seven games as what that ADP describes, and

595
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: then he just completely disappears because Hampton is playing so

596
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: damn good. So it's like one of those things like

597
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: you have to roll the dice. You're rolling the dice

598
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: here in this dead zone with Naji Harris, You're getting

599
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: a partial Reynolds. So if you need a guy just

600
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: to be a guy, to be a zombie on your

601
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: bench eventually, because I can almost guarantee and I hate

602
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: talking to absolutes, you know how passionate I get when

603
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: I start talking in absolutes. But I just don't see

604
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: myself rostering Naji Harris when the Fantasy playoffs come around,

605
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: it's going to be Hampton season probably.

606
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: By the time you get to the playoffs. Yes, the

607
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: problem is is Hampton going to do enough to get

608
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: you to the playoffs? Right? If you're rolling him out there,

609
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: can he do enough to get you? Because like that's

610
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: the thing you're like, oh, man, the Fantasy playoffs, He's

611
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna be great, Yeah, except that, you know, if you

612
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: don't make the playoffs, then what Yeah, you know what

613
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's just sitting there salty watching Omari and

614
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: Hampton go for a buck twenty five and a two

615
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: tendies while you're playing in the consolation bracket. Like, that's

616
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: just not gonna be fun for you.

617
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: There's a huge risk. There's huge rich on Hampton.

618
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: And I think once people start coming back outside for

619
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: the fantasy drafts, I think his ADP will adjust and

620
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: it won't go up, it will go down. Like I

621
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: think more people will be more aware of like the

622
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: camp battle and then the Beat reporters and you know,

623
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: they always got to have some type of like burst

624
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: about a guy like oh yeah, Nage Harris looks great today.

625
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: He caught an amazing end zone catch out at the slot.

626
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: Something like that will be reported and his ADP will

627
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: shoot up.

628
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, for sure, absolutely one thing that that

629
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: we we forgot to mention earlier during the kind of

630
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: news headline sort of thing, but maybe one that sort

631
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: of fits in this situation in Las Vegas. You know,

632
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: obviously we're excited about Ashton Gent and what he's going

633
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: to bring rare he mostered is there. Uh, he's very

634
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: much out. He's he's beyond the dead zone. Even he's

635
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of going undrafted in a lot of in a

636
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: lot of leagues. But you got Pete Carroll saying that

637
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: they could use that he almost expects to use multiple

638
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: backs and look, he most maybe not a stud anymore

639
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, but we know he's

640
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: a home He's a guy with speed who can break

641
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: plays and you've really moved the offense if you need

642
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: him to. Does that scare you off of maybe having

643
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: to spend a late first round, early second round pick

644
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: on Ashton Gents.

645
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm okay with the early second round, but it's the

646
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: first round pick that kind of bothers me because, like

647
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: you're seeing ranked as high as like RB three, RB four,

648
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: And I think with Pete Carroll's saying this, we got

649
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: to remember, you know, his days with Seattle, Like I know,

650
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: we remember the Chris Carson and Rashad Penny won two

651
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: punch and you know Rashad Penny just unfortunately couldn't stay

652
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: healthy to be part of that one two punch. But

653
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll actually handed the keys to Chris Carson one

654
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: season where he had over three hundred touches, and he

655
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: handed the keys to Marshawn Lynch as well that had

656
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: well over three hundred touches seasons. So I think Ashton

657
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: genty falls in that category where he can handle the

658
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: three hundred touches as the workhorse. So I don't look

659
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: at this backfield as like one of the things where

660
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Speaker 3: Moster's gonna come in with noticeable touches, Like I think

661
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: Moster will come in at time and be explosive, But

662
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if he has less than one

663
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: hundred touches this season, you know, and the rest go

664
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Speaker 3: to Gent and whoever else is there to keep you know,

665
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: the guy fresh on the sideline. So I think when

666
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: we hear these reports this early, I think it's more

667
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: so humbling the rookie in a way, just not letting

668
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: the green flag alert. I should say that obviously you're

669
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: going to hand the ball to ash and Gent like

670
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: sixty times, like that's a given, right, this.

671
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Speaker 1: Is like this is like what it was? It was

672
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: it last year. We always see this with quarterbacks, right,

673
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: where was like you take the quarterback number one or

674
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: like the top three, and then the head coach comes

675
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: out and is like, well, he's not gonna be the

676
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: start and just you know, Mark's gonna hand him the

677
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: starting job. He's gonna have to earn it. And we're like,

678
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: you're not, You're not really gonna all right, shut up, bro,

679
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not gonna put Jayden Daniels on the

680
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: bench for like Taylor Heineke, like, what are we doing?

681
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: You know it? Well, so radio is one of those

682
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: or maybe Pete Carroll is telling the truth. I guess

683
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: we will find out, you know, when we get into

684
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Speaker 1: training camp and we see sort of how this works.

685
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, suffice to say, there is a guy behind

686
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: the guy who's had success beulfore right. It's not like

687
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like most. It is just some

688
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: some guy who's been a journeyman and has never had

689
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: any success. He has had some production in this league,

690
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: so there's there's certainly a possibility that we could see

691
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: him get a decent sized workload. But we will see there.

692
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: So all right, after I look at the running back

693
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Speaker 1: dead zone, take a break, come back, do the same

694
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: thing for wide receivers. This one was interesting because I

695
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: felt like, because the position is so deep, finding a

696
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: dead zone maybe a little bit harder. But well, we'll

697
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Speaker 1: talk that out a little bit. Stick around. Come back

698
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we

699
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Speaker 1: talked running back dead zone, might as well flip it

700
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: over to wide receivers. Can't really do a quarterback or

701
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: tight end dead zone because you know the yeah, the.

702
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: Only tends are a complete dead zone.

703
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: I pretty much right. It's it's like the top flipping

704
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: five guys, the top four or five guys, and then

705
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: everything else is like, yeah, good luck, you know sort

706
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: of thing. And the quarterbacks you're only drafting one. There's

707
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: usually there's usually enough for every team on your lead

708
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: to get a decent starting quarterback. And then you know,

709
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: if you're drafting a QB two, then then it's up

710
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: for debate at that point. But yeah, when you're looking

711
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: at wide receiver dead zones, where were you finding one?

712
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 3: So the rounds like ninth to eleven is really where

713
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: I've seen like a huge drop off, and like guys

714
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: like we see on the board, like Kyle Williams, Marvin Mims,

715
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean Jack Besh, like these are guys that you know,

716
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: you like, but it's like I can't bring them in

717
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: as a wide receiver three or four or have flex

718
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: appeal on a week to week basis. You look at

719
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: Luther Burden where Ben Johnson's very frustrated with him, like

720
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 3: he needs to be on the field to get these reps.

721
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: I mean Rashid Shahid, He's just coming back from injury,

722
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: and like, these names just don't feel.

723
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: Like good secure spots here.

724
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: So I feel like it gets really dark once you

725
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: hit that ninth round.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. I will also, you know, because

727
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: me being a little bit contrarian, we'll pick one out

728
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, and that is sort of late

729
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: third through again late fifth, maybe necessarily Technic Millin, Xavier Worthy.

730
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some guys in here, Flowers, yeah, I

731
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: mean DK Metcalf, you know, George Pickens, Jalen Waddle. Again,

732
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: guys that the range of outcomes potentially is very wide

733
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: with some of these guys, right, and so that that

734
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: to me makes it a little bit sketchier. The problem

735
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: is that also sort of overlaps with my earlier RB

736
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: dead zone. So I guess, but I guess that's why.

737
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: You know what, it's funny because now that as I'm

738
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: talking this out loud, it's usually in those rounds that

739
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Speaker 1: I'm looking looking tight end. I'm maybe looking quarterback if

740
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: I decide to go a little bit earlier, So rounds

741
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Speaker 1: three through five.

742
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Speaker 3: So you that that's a good pivot's that's look, the

743
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 3: listeners should be listening because in rounds three through five

744
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: it can get scary. It can get scary looking for

745
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: a wide receiver two or running back one or two.

746
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: And like those rounds, I am looking for a tight end.

747
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: I am looking for a quarterback this year. You couldn't wait.

748
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: You could wait, but you could take some real nasty

749
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: work there. And that's the rounds three through five.

750
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really could. So, I mean it's

751
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: something that's gotta be prepared. And the caveat to all

752
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: of this, too is a lot of it depends on

753
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: the draft room and the draft board, because yeah, if

754
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: everybody in your league is you know, look, let's just

755
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: be honest, right in home leagues, there are gonna be

756
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: some leagues where quarterbacks come off the board early, right,

757
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: So that means that in those rounds three through five,

758
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: the running back and wide receiver situation is gonna look

759
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: a little bit different. There are some rooms where there's

760
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be heavy on running backs, and

761
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: so you know, rounds three through five you'll still have

762
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: a lot of good wide receivers, or maybe it goes

763
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: the other way. So some of it is gonna be

764
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: dependent on how the rest of the draft goes. But

765
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: if you're just basing it kind of on current ADPs,

766
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm that's where things get a little bit sketchy for sure.

767
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: You know, looking at around nine through eleven with wide receivers,

768
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: I put a lot of names on this list. I'll

769
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: just blow through them and you can kind of do

770
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: what we did before, pick the ones that that you

771
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: have a strong reaction to. But Jaydan Higgins, Coleman, Coleman,

772
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: who we talked about earlier, Trey Harris, Luthor Burden, Rashid Shaheed,

773
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Rashot Bateman, Kyle Williams, the Ubiquitous Marvin Mims, Christian Kirk,

774
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: Jack Besh, Hollywood Brown, any of those, I guess Jayden

775
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: Higgins is the one that jumps out at as a

776
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: guy that you have a reaction for.

777
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jayden Higgins Trey Harris.

778
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean, those are the two guys right there where

779
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: I think, like you take those shots. These are the

780
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: guys I'm willing to bring into my wide receiver three.

781
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: They could play a flex and you know, week to week,

782
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: you know you'll just have to play by ear. But

783
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: I think these guys are having really good mini camps

784
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: and when they go into training camp, we're gonna keep

785
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: here more and more buzz. So I expect these two

786
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: guys to come out of the dead zone where their

787
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: ADPs are gonna rise a little bit. Because when you

788
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: look at Trey Harris, he's the prototype X for the Chargers.

789
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: I understand people are all in on Lad because of

790
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: his football IQ, his ability have to catch. He had

791
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: an amazing season last year, but justin Herbert had no

792
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: help outside of him. So when you're looking at Trey

793
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: Harris coming in as this guy that nobody really knows about,

794
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 3: but he is lighting it up at camp, boy, I'm

795
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: willing to take a shot on him as my wide

796
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: receiver three who could potentially compete for Lad for these targets.

797
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: Jayden Higgins is out there doing one hand catches like

798
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: he is prime teo Jerry Rice out there with CJ.

799
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: Strout along the sideline, Like I got to share that

800
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: video with you, Marcus, because that that that just really

801
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: just made me excited. Like I almost dropped the popcorn.

802
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: You know, I was watching Stitch, you know, at you know,

803
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: Father Day, I was watching Lelon Stitch and I was

804
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: on my phone to scroll on Twitter a little bit

805
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: because the movie hit a little dead spot.

806
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: But a great movie by the way.

807
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: But you know I saw that Cliff and I was like, yo,

808
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: and you know, everybody's like bro with this guy.

809
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: He's really he's really into Stitch right now. I mean, yeah,

810
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I feel about Trey Harris necessarily.

811
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we had the conversation was last

812
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: week about the Chargers saying that, you know, the wide

813
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: receiver room is night and day from what it was

814
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: year the year before, to which I was kind of like, really,

815
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: but I think I do think there is opportunity there.

816
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, we know Lad McConkie's going to get a

817
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: lot of targets. But yeah, and Mike Williams obviously has

818
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: a rapport with Justin Herbert with them having been teammates previously.

819
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: But we also sort of know what Mike Williams ceiling

820
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: is at this point. But there's nobody else really there

821
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: that I think can can suck up a lot of targets.

822
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: But for a lot of the same reasons you are

823
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: in on Trey Harris, I'm starting to buy in on

824
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams in New England. You know, we've talked a

825
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: lot about Drake May of you know, Floria, who's not here,

826
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: is the biggest Drake may stand among us. But I

827
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: see the vision like I understand what the Patriots see

828
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: in Drake May. And again, this is a wide receiver

829
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: room where there aren't a lot of solidified roles, Like, yeah,

830
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: they brought in Stefan Diggs and the expectation is that

831
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: he's going to be the wide receiver one, that he's

832
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: going to lead this team int targets. But there aren't

833
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys that you feel confident can

834
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: just command a large target share. The Mario Douglas had

835
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: a nice year last year, yea, yeah, But I also

836
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: think some of it was just that the Patriots wide

837
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: receivers were so bad somebody sort of had to take reliable. Yeah,

838
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, somebody had to take the lead there and

839
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: so Douglas kind of filled that role in a lot

840
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: of ways. But I mean, who else Mac Hollins, Uh,

841
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Kayshawn Boody, Kendrick Bourne, you know, just give me Hunter

842
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: Henry Henry and like Vonne Baker and Jalen Polk were

843
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: huge disappointments last year. So there really is an opportunity

844
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: for Kyle Williams. And you know, without getting too hyped

845
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: up on mini camp reports, there were a lot of

846
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: really good mini camp reports about Williams.

847
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: You know, I need to see it though, I need

848
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: to see the video and get me all excited.

849
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: There was a Lord, I can read it. It's great.

850
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: There's a lot of excitement about it. So you know,

851
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: maybe that there's something there. And again with it being

852
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: so late in drafts, spinning a double digit round pick

853
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: potentially on Kyle Williams uh and seeing if he can

854
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: blossom into a guy that earns a lot of targets

855
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: from Drake May, I'm willing to take that chance on

856
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: him later.

857
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Florio he mentioned something on the last

858
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 3: pot and Hollywood Brown's there in that dead zone as well,

859
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: and I've.

860
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Actually he tested this theory.

861
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: If he becomes like an automatic smash there as a

862
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: wide receiver three or four or even at five at

863
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: this point.

864
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: And I think I.

865
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: Agree because you do see his ADP discount because of

866
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: the injury, but then you remember who's throwing him the ball.

867
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Then it's like, Okay, I could see why I'm willing

868
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: to roll this dice and why I'm willing to have

869
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: a Hollywood Brown come aboard because maybe there is still

870
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: something there in the tank, you know, maybe there is

871
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: something there where he could provide for this offense to

872
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: be a reliable target out of Rashid Rice, who's returning

873
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: back from a major injury as well. So I do

874
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: think that, you know, Hollywood Brown in that dead zone,

875
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: he could be an interesting pick as well that I

876
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: might be in on.

877
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just Chiefs receivers. I'm not sure

878
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: what to do with, you know, I think Rashid Rice

879
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: is definitely worth a draft pick. Curious sort of the

880
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: evolution Xavier worthy of you know, Hollywood I'm not out on,

881
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: but I'm also not super excited about. I'm just sort

882
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: of just sort of there. For me.

883
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: I feel like the Chiefs, the Chiefs wide receiver room

884
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: is like a split between a retirement home and then

885
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: like a youth.

886
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: Camp or something, because it just does not ever pan

887
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: out to be what it needs to be. You know.

888
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like the Big Brothers program

889
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: of America, right, It's like you have you have your

890
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: your older wide receivers in the mentory. You're a wide receiver,

891
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: and everybody sort of lives happily ever after. I'm out

892
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: on rash but I think it's out on I'm out

893
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: on the Saints generally, But I I do wonder if

894
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna regret that decision, if Tyler Shook is gonna

895
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: just shock, is going to stand back there and just

896
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: throw yolo balls potentially, which would help she Heed. I

897
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: know how you feel about Chris o'lave. I know you're

898
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: you were out on Chris o'lave in the best of times,

899
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine, can't imagine your I.

900
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: Was ahead of that train. But can you I'm completely out.

901
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Can you? Can you see a strand of the old

902
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: verse where Rashid Shaheed is productive this year?

903
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: I think what we saw last year was kind of

904
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: like the ceiling. He'll have his moments. I can't rely

905
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 3: on him every single week because that deep ball cannot

906
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: just be the mash button that you put every time

907
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 3: you want to hit the special move. And like, I

908
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: don't know anything about Tyler Schuck to be, you know,

909
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: a Saints quarterback that could stand up and throw back

910
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: there the long ball to him consistently, because again, he's

911
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: returning back from injury. He might not have that Saint

912
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: pep in his step. So I'll wait a season. I

913
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 3: think Rashid shahe's going to be here for another couple

914
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: of years in the league, but I'll wait a season

915
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: to see if he can step pepen and step back.

916
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: But heavens know, you know, And like there's a guy

917
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: that's going around his ADP as well, then I'm honestly

918
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: out on as well. And that's Marvin Mims. He played

919
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: twenty seven percent of the snaps. And you know how

920
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: the fancy streets work.

921
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: MG.

922
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: When I start seeing Marvin Mims getting the buzz now,

923
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: getting all the love, I tend to fade because it's like, Okay,

924
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: you guys are doing the bad thing. Now You're you're

925
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: talking too much about him that his ADP is going

926
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: to rise. He's in that dead zone going as a

927
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: wide receiver three for some teams, and he played twenty

928
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: seven percent of the snaps.

929
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: That's the fewest on the team.

930
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: No, I cannot do that.

931
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm laughing about this because you are like our unofficial

932
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Sean Payton interpreter, right, and so like when Sean Payton

933
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: is like odric estimate is going to get more touches,

934
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: You're like.

935
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: Nah, he's a nice guy.

936
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's R. J. Harvey, Nah and now,

937
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: well not now, but you know, Sean Payton's been like,

938
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Marvin Mims more involved, and you're like, nah.

939
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: You kind of have to just speak the language. And

940
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, you know what Sean Payton's doing, man, because

941
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: you just the numbers do not support what he's saying,

942
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, even with all your estimate,

943
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: he technically told the truth. He did get more touches.

944
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: But he just appeared two games later, Like that's that's

945
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: the truth about Sean Bayton, you know. But it's one

946
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: of those things where I want Marvin Mims to stay cheap.

947
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: I want people to fade him. Like it's the same

948
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: thing with Greg Dorts. You know, I don't want no

949
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: buzz around Greg Dortch unless it's coming from me.

950
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: So you want so you're not opposed to Marvin Mims.

951
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: You're just opposed to Marvin Mims at ADP.

952
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: Yes, at ADP is disgusting because it's one of those

953
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: things like you guys are late, don't do that. Stop

954
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: leave and where he's at. Let him be my wide

955
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: receiver five or six or go undrafted and I pick

956
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: him up the week that I need him.

957
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: I do feel like here's the thing he was. Probably

958
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna get pushed up, and he's gonna get drafted

959
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of leagues with like you know, the

960
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: Sharps and the degenerates and the people like us. I

961
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: do think, though, the ADP will come down only because

962
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and this is my thinking here, it's mid June and

963
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: people are talking him up now and that ADP is rising.

964
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: But what's gonna happen is peoplere gonna pivot off of

965
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: him because we're gonna get tired of talking about Marvin

966
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: Mems and we'll start talking about some other wide receivers. Right,

967
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: so like it could be that it could be and

968
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: not even just in Denver, but right, but like the

969
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams hype is probably going to hit at some point.

970
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there's like there's Rashad Bateman hype. I

971
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just you know, I'm just throwing things

972
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: out of here, and there's Trey Harris hype, and those

973
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: guys are gonna move up, and that might push MEMS

974
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: down around or two just because of that. So I

975
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: think I think he's gonna be inflated for a short term.

976
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm I think that number comes down.

977
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: There's one more wide receiver that lives in the dead

978
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: zone as well that I think it's completely incorrect, and

979
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: that's Jalen McMillan. Like he's going as like wide receiver

980
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 3: sixty four, Like what are we doing here?

981
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: Why?

982
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: I just think it's the number of players there. I

983
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: just I think that's all it is. I think it's

984
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: just the number of guys in Tampa Bay. When you

985
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: have to factor in, you know, Mike Evans and Chris

986
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: god And are going to get their targets. Then they

987
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: go and they draft a Mecca Abuka. Right, they still

988
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to integrate Bucky Irving for

989
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Shot White. They're still going to get some targets to well,

990
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: I mean a few, I guess occasionally to the tied

991
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: end position. I just think that right now McMillan's the

992
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: guy with the least buzz. You know, Evans and Evans

993
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and Godwin will always have buzz. Abuka is the new

994
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: guy there, and so there's some excitement around him. McMillan

995
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: is just he's number four on the excitement totem pole

996
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, and so that's I think has a

997
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: lot to do with.

998
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 3: That finish the season so strong, that's so disrespectful.

999
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I do like Jaylen McMillan. I think he's good. I

1000
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: just I think there's, yes, there's a log jam right

1001
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: now in Tampa and I think that's sort of the

1002
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: problem is trying to figure out how to navigate that

1003
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: log jam and trying to see who gets those targets there.

1004
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: But you know, I think there's still something there with McMillan.

1005
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: And again, knock on wood, you know, I wish you

1006
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: for injuries, but if somebody does it's not hurt, then

1007
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: that opens up a huge opportunity for Jalen McMillan. So

1008
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that's what that is for sure.

1009
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it that's a little bit of the

1010
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: dead zone. I'm sure we can sort of revisit this. Yeah,

1011
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: when Florio's back, which he'll be back next week. I'll

1012
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: be gone next week. Uh, so you know we'll have

1013
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: to wait a couple of weeks to do all this stuff. There,

1014
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: we're cheat sheating on Thursday, right, I have no idea

1015
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: what to talk about because we're gonna we'll hold the

1016
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: movie so Florio gets back. Also, I haven't watched it yet,

1017
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: but I forgot Actually, well watch it again, Yeah, to

1018
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: look it up. It's that one with with the other

1019
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: guy to Lose. It's the Luke Himsworth movie. Yeah, it's

1020
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: a Netflix action movie. I'm like sitting here trying to

1021
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: Land of Bad. That's what Land of Bad? Wow?

1022
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen that one.

1023
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, me neither.

1024
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: So keep it in the family.

1025
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: We'll experience it together. So moving back on Thursday, I

1026
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: don't know we'll talk about that movie, but we will

1027
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: talk about some things on the Chee Chee. We're always

1028
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: up for your questions too as well, if you want

1029
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: to hop in the chat and talk about those sorts

1030
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: of things. So shout out to Gavin Kensel for editing

1031
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: this thing. And making it sound smooth. I appreciate you

1032
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: after making you have to do extra work for the show,

1033
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: so I'm doing for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

1034
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: Football Podcast, the Happy, Safe and Healthy, do good and

1035
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: live well. Enjoy the week, everybody. We will talk to

1036
00:50:30,440 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: you again on Thursday.